No, the north vietnamese also wanted to conquer the south vietnamese. when we pulled out of vietnam, the north butchered hundreds of thousands of their southern neighbors. To say they JUST wanted independence is horse shit.
@panthercar425 So peoples hadns and hand guns that are on our streets. the world has been at war since the begining of time. we are waring in this country, killing each other with our words. to me their is a bigger war going on at home. so you are right war does kill and so do words. as long as people hate and hurt and have greed their will always be wars
But Neil - Communism did spread throughout the areas you said it didn't. Communism invaded South & Central America - it is still there today though some say its Socialism. I am not against it - I wish you;d be a little more academically honest when you talk about "myths."
"All they wanted us to do was go home..." Not entirely true Neil - we did fight along side South Vietnam which was against Ho and the Communist Party. The South was corrupt and ineffciient but to say that "they" wanted us to go home is false and misleading. Why did so many flee the Country after the fall of Saigon? Because they wanted us to go home?
Vietnam is a wonderful country now - and they have hot women. But Neil, you generalize to fit your agenda!
I wrote a high-school paper in 1985 saying the same thing this guy just said. I will go one further: Afghanistan and Iraq are this generation's Vietnam. How are they going to get here? Delta? Did the 911 hijackers come from there? No, they came from Saudi and Egypt.
decades later, and Fora still poses this as a question. such are the power of these myths, that even when they are conclusively shattered by history they still hold some claim to reality.
The Armed Forces are the strong arm of the corporate empire. If a country won't submit to UCC (Universal Commercial Code) then they get invaded. It's not complicated. If you allow yourself to be deceived into joining the forces because you believe you are protecting your nation from "Communists/Terrorists/Marxists/Facists etc. then so be it. Wars will end when soldiers wake up to the fact that they are pawns in hands of their corporate masters.
Maybe in 40 years USA will realize the very same about Afghanistan and Iraq. The wars was about helping them, but now all you've accomplished is committing genocide against them.
When will people realize that violence is not the way?
The international communist conspiracy may have been a myth, but the Soviet Union was not. Vietnam was a mistake because we weren't fighting the Soviet Union. In Afghanastan, during the Russia occupation, we finally got it right and that won the Cold War.
I think we all believed in the "Domino Effect" when all that crap first got started. We got sucked in through SEATO obligations and got stuck in the swamp.
Shit, I went over there as John Wayne in '66 and came back as Abbie Hoffman in '68. It seems that everybody changed their views when Walter Cronkite said on the evening news that VietNam was a no-win situation and LBJ refused a second term.
america is trading with vietnam today. vietnam is at peace with its neighbors now. they are rebuilding their country. yes, it is a commie country but it beats democratic elected government like Haiti, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan and others.
No, the north vietnamese also wanted to conquer the south vietnamese. when we pulled out of vietnam, the north butchered hundreds of thousands of their southern neighbors. To say they JUST wanted independence is horse shit.
Sharlita82 9 months ago
The sad thing that no one went to jail for the war crime committed by those politicians.
humberlick 10 months ago
Don't go to war it kills people
panthercar425 2 years ago
@panthercar425 So peoples hadns and hand guns that are on our streets. the world has been at war since the begining of time. we are waring in this country, killing each other with our words. to me their is a bigger war going on at home. so you are right war does kill and so do words. as long as people hate and hurt and have greed their will always be wars
mjjcng8958 11 months ago
Don't go to war it kills people
panthercar425 2 years ago
But Neil - Communism did spread throughout the areas you said it didn't. Communism invaded South & Central America - it is still there today though some say its Socialism. I am not against it - I wish you;d be a little more academically honest when you talk about "myths."
dwm1812 2 years ago
"All they wanted us to do was go home..." Not entirely true Neil - we did fight along side South Vietnam which was against Ho and the Communist Party. The South was corrupt and ineffciient but to say that "they" wanted us to go home is false and misleading. Why did so many flee the Country after the fall of Saigon? Because they wanted us to go home?
Vietnam is a wonderful country now - and they have hot women. But Neil, you generalize to fit your agenda!
dwm1812 2 years ago
Steve McGarrett stopped the Communist invasion of Hawaii lots of time.
geezzerboy 2 years ago
I wrote a high-school paper in 1985 saying the same thing this guy just said. I will go one further: Afghanistan and Iraq are this generation's Vietnam. How are they going to get here? Delta? Did the 911 hijackers come from there? No, they came from Saudi and Egypt.
ndyt 2 years ago 4
decades later, and Fora still poses this as a question. such are the power of these myths, that even when they are conclusively shattered by history they still hold some claim to reality.
originaljonesdotinfo 2 years ago 2
The Armed Forces are the strong arm of the corporate empire. If a country won't submit to UCC (Universal Commercial Code) then they get invaded. It's not complicated. If you allow yourself to be deceived into joining the forces because you believe you are protecting your nation from "Communists/Terrorists/Marxists/Facists etc. then so be it. Wars will end when soldiers wake up to the fact that they are pawns in hands of their corporate masters.
Darkhorse21x 2 years ago
All those wars against Marxist governments & their allies, just to see our own government taken over from within by Marxist ideologues.
truthadvocate 2 years ago
Maybe in 40 years USA will realize the very same about Afghanistan and Iraq. The wars was about helping them, but now all you've accomplished is committing genocide against them.
When will people realize that violence is not the way?
Mastikator 2 years ago
The international communist conspiracy may have been a myth, but the Soviet Union was not. Vietnam was a mistake because we weren't fighting the Soviet Union. In Afghanastan, during the Russia occupation, we finally got it right and that won the Cold War.
the2012report 2 years ago
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Why is humanity destined to make the same mistake over and over?
Altruism is a fantasy.
5Stars!
mattghtpa 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
He supported the Vietnam war?
And he still is considered a relevant journalist?!?
Why would anyone take his opinions seriously?
rudenoodle 2 years ago
It was a different time back then, rudenoodle.
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 2 years ago
I feel very fortunate to of found this channel....thanks for the uploads and spreading an interesting perspective...peace.
MasterOhSo 2 years ago 2
*****
ubuibiok 2 years ago
I think we all believed in the "Domino Effect" when all that crap first got started. We got sucked in through SEATO obligations and got stuck in the swamp.
Shit, I went over there as John Wayne in '66 and came back as Abbie Hoffman in '68. It seems that everybody changed their views when Walter Cronkite said on the evening news that VietNam was a no-win situation and LBJ refused a second term.
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 2 years ago
LOL.
america is trading with vietnam today. vietnam is at peace with its neighbors now. they are rebuilding their country. yes, it is a commie country but it beats democratic elected government like Haiti, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan and others.
KhmerD0g 2 years ago 6
LOL
And...?
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 2 years ago
and vietnam war was a big waste.
nothing is accomplished, just destroyed lives and properties.
the world is not perfect.
KhmerD0g 2 years ago
Well,(shrugs shoulders) it wasn't my idea anyway and it fucked me out of a couple prime years of my life.
AT THE TIME, however, I felt the way this guy did.
Yes, the world is not perfect.
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 2 years ago
people grow wiser as they age.
the military complex is always looking for a few good young men with similar ideology.
KhmerD0g 2 years ago