Putting Torture Behind Us

[skizitgesture]

Torture is going on all around you. When people see government illegal drug/vehicle theft network, they attack you on a personal individual level and gas you in your bed to make it look like a natural death. If they can't kill you, they put you in mental hospital and drug you. See DEW weapons, Torture In US Britain Canada.

[Kardiatheon]

Some mistakes you just can't say "oops sorry"

[411American]

Americans who witnessed torture and do nothing about it worse than the terrorists themselves maybe they didn't have the courage and go through what Privet Manning has to, government Terrorism in his Home land surety.

[swizzlecheeks]

I've been trying to put the governmental torture behind me........ I just can't get the Bush/ Clinton Fascist Regime behind me!!!!!! Pure torture..

[cmfluteguy]

We need to get John Yoo, Cheney and all the torturers on trial for their deeds. The incompetence and immorality of the Bush/Cheney administration are simply staggering!!!!!!

[vclxrr]

I wish there was a way to rate the speakers of a video rather than just the vid itself. This vid is very informative. The person doing most of the speaking is... well, let's just say he's rather intellectually disingenuous. I'm glad McCain didnt become president. What he's proposing is exactly what our high-ranking officials have been getting away with for decades!

[vclxrr]

Here's the twist tho: WW1, WW2, Cold War, etc. When you fire the people behind the scenes, they dont just disappear. They migrate into other areas of our lives and continue to promote the miasma that is slowly choking our world civilization to death.

[FriedDaisy]

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Gates, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Chertoff, Mike McConnell, Gen. Peter Pace, Jay Bybee, John Yoo, Colin Powell, Nancy Pelosi & all of Congress, parasites like Carl Rove, etc., etc. knew or should have known what respondent superior means, and how it applies to acts committed at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib.

[FriedDaisy]

McCain wants us to think this is about settling old political scores? This is about accountability for those who knew or should have known they were violating our laws and international treaties. Perhaps, McCain is worried about his own skin? What didn't he bother to read before he signed it into law?

[leeroynaggins]

Ohhh, it's okay to send the trailer trash bad apple enlisted people to jail for years but for the legal minds, politicians and flag officers, we should just move on...

I've never heard a prosecuter's office say we should just move on after a crime has been committed...

So how about FUCK YOU McCain!!

PROSECUTE THE WAR CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paramedic851]

Ya we should never investigate

It was fair to punish soldeirs of vietnam who partook in human rights violations so long as we don't prosecute the political leaders who put them in that situation

[john2knj]

Why is McCain so focused on "advice?" Why doesn't he focus on "orders?" It seems as though he is deflecting this issue on "bad advice" and we all know that "advice" is just an opinion. The simple fact is that there were people who gave "orders" as well as individuals who carried them out. "Advice" and "orders" are totally separate things. Besides, did he forget about the Nuremberg trials? "Just following orders" has not been a reasonable excuse for war crimes in many decades.

[RZetlin]

I am so glad John McCain didn't become President.

Did he forget about the North Vietnamese that tortured him?

[john2knj]

You know, the more I think about this with McCain trying to use "advice" as a scapegoat the more I realize that the Republican Party chose the wrong person to represent us in this past election. What we really needed was an honest politician with a proven track record of obeying our Constitution. Ron Paul is the only one who comes to mind out of the last batch of candidates.

[4000MILESdown]

Ron Paul, kicked my dog.

[line6212]

From the Al Qaeda Manual:"These young men realized that an Islamic government would never be established except by the bomb and rifle.Islam does not coincide or make a truce with unbelief,but rather confronts it.The confrontation that Islam calls for with these godless and apostate regimes,does not know Socratic debates

Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy.But it knows the dialogue of bullets,assassination,bombing,

destruction and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun.

[line6212]

To WalleedRahmon:By the time this started they already hated us and had already flown planes into three buildings. Secondly,these terrorist assholes would still be on their religious crusade against the west even if these practices were not used.They're a bunch of morons with blind devotion to a farcical religion and a desire to subjugate anyone who doesn't believe in their phony god,Allah.They're willing to lop people's hands and heads off but we can't waterboard someone? Makes perfect sense

[WaleedRahman]

Try telling Jews to put the Holocaust behind them; it's the past. The Nazis were just following orders....An elephant is in the room again. The Emperor is naked. The worst of criminals are always in high government positions. Its enough to make you want to fly a plane into a building! And have people ask why do they hate US?

[FredFoothand]

walleedRahmon,

Only problem with your logic... this WASNT THE HOLOCAUST!!!! No where anything near it.

[elrito1]

The Bush administration said that the incidents at Abu Ghraib were done by a few bad people....But, it turns out that this was policy....The logic that we should just put this behind us is like saying we should set murderers free because they probably wont do it again...This is the height of hypocrisy...McCain should be ashamed....

[qualityrkc]

god, mccain is such a tool. He has lost all integrity in his latter years. If I murdered someone 8 years ago cops wouldnt just move on because it would hurt my families feelings if i was arrested.

[InteGrayting]

What's the big deal? Americans torture themselves all the time listening to the media asking again, and again if it worked. Who cares if it works or not, I thought America didn't torture. What the hell, now the media is giving GOP an out by repeating this absolutly moot question. But, in all seriousness, this is much more criminal than a blow job in the oval office, and if Rove wants to stay out of jail, he will have to hope Obama pardons him, and some of his GOP buddies that broke laws.

[Birdboy029]

Yeah, it wasn't advice..

[calciumblue]

It wasn't ADVICE, it was an ORDER from a White House decision. Keep hiding behind the military Republicans.....

[bruzzones2000]

The issue is whether or not it is legal. If it wasn't legal, why did Ted Kennedy try to pass an amendment to the Military Commissions Act that would make waterboarding illegal? It failed and the Democrat Senate and Congress did not stand behind Kennedy and his amendment.

[FredFoothand]

bruzzoness2000,

Not only that , Nancy Pelosi was made completely aware that these interrogation methods would be used.

[Rodney92]

Wrong. Look it up. You're dead wrong.

[FredFoothand]

Rodey92,

WRONG...you are dead wrong. Just saw her on CNN admitting she was informed of this. DEAL WITH IT!!!!

[rlwalker2]

You don't put torture behind us. We are now part of the torture network and the Geneva Convention no longer has value. It's going to be ugly and we earned every bit of it.

[csplendrig]

are the people of arizona that stupid that they keep electing this guy?

[freesoul2005]

McCain is hypocrite.

why not we also let go Craigslist killer, if he promise he wont kill any woman again?? Specially, he is such a good bright kid, and just 23 years old?

[lady00010]

How can we put torture behind us unless we have another agenda in mind-

[mohamz]

Drowning those people will not do any good. They are trained for years in Afghanistan desert, they are used to wild life and Guantanamo is just a picnic for them. Stronger torture methods are needed here.

[Choctawu]

When bad advice is given by a lawyer that lawyer should be held accountable in the first degree and those who committed the acts based on that bad advice should be held accountable in the second and third degree. So it is recommended that all parties involved whether on the ground or in the air take full responsiblity for their actions and involvment. This will assure all parties think moral before acting and let MORAL be the directive.

[trojantjl]

God bless Sen. McCain.

[fcc61]

I agree that the treatment of prisoners was wrong. However, how's that different from legalized pornography that demeans people's dignity? The Geneva Convention is against torture yet not against the dismemberment of the unborn? WHy the double standard in our Western society today? We forgive the savagery of the enemy, radical moslems, but condemn the "torturing" of the enemy to get information. I guess it better to lose lives of Americans than "torture" a few cold blooded murderers?!

[csven]

"I agree that the treatment of prisoners was wrong. However, how's that different from legalized pornography that demeans people's dignity?"

I wasn't aware porn stars were being forced to perform. Learn something new every day.

[fcc61]

Porn stars aren't "forced" to perform. Yet, if you were to study many of their private lives, you'd see that numerous abuses were committed against them as children. We as a society are blind to our own ills. Lastly, prostitutes are forced to sell their bodies, yet who would say that prostitution is a good, decent, noble thing?

[csven]

fcc61: "However, how's that different from legalized pornography...?

fcc61: "Porn stars aren't "forced" to perform."

Answered your own question. Nicely done.

[fcc61]

You notice I said "forced." WHile "free" to do what they choose, how "free" are people when they are addicted to something, i.e. sex, drugs, gratituous violence, etc . My point is that we as a society are not free when we are addicted to revolting, vile behavior. WHile the prisoners had certain disgusting behavior forced upon them, others in our own society freely wish it upon themselves. Therein lies the irony and tragedy. As Solzenitzin once said, "the West has lost its will to live.'

[csven]

(1) Are you saying ALL porn stars are addicts?

(2) Are you suggesting porn starts aren't responsible for their own addictions?

(3) Are you further suggesting that society can't choose for itself what it deems acceptable?

1) sounds like an unsupportable generalization.

2) sounds like an excuse, to me.

3) sounds like an endorsement for a dictatorship to me; either via fascism or communism.

So what kind of gov't do you suggest? a theocracy?

[fcc61]

I wasn't suggesting a government so much as to make a comment. DOn't forget that we once had legalized slavery because we dehumanized a certain sector of society, which we continue to do with the unborn. Whatever happened to science and public policy? We know scientifically that life is present yet we resort to cheap and empty philosophies about what is and isn't human life. We claim that people are free to choose. How do you chose what you know little or nothing about?

[csven]

I'm very sorry you're unable to stay on the topic at hand (that would be "torture").

My sincerest condolences. All the best to you.

[fcc61]

I am truly sorry, logic wasn't my strong suit: I got a D!! What I was originally trying to say was that many things are done in our democracy and they are not even questioned. We "torture" some ruthless people, and then everyone begins asking all the pertinent ethical/moral questions when there are more glaring examples of abuses in our society which the greater majority appears to be accept. Regards.

[csven]

fcc61: "prostitutes are forced to sell their bodies"

I wasn't aware all prostitutes are forced to sell their bodies.

[nburdik]

Torture and pornography are wrong on two different levels. Torture is inflicted by one person and unwillingly received by another. Pornography (though disgusting and derived from a complete lack of morals) is not forced upon anyone. No one forces porn stars to do what they do, and no one forces their customers to buy the product.

[csven]

Your common sense is ruining everything, dammit.

[fcc61]

The point is not that one is free, not forced, to buy a product, but rather that the "product" is even allowed for human consumption, viewing, etc. We do value what is really valuable.

[csven]

Ah. So you think the government should decide for the citizens what's right and what's wrong. That citizens shouldn't have the right to elect representatives to speak on their behalf and enact the restrictions they deem acceptable. So you're anti-democracy, right?

[ikester110]

Im confused. Did he make a mistake when he said "Vice President Chany?" Isn't Joe Bidan the VP? Did he he just make a mistake or did something change?

[xitongzou]

When high ranking government officials retire, they are still known by their government positions. For example, President Clinton, President Nixon, Vice President Gore, Vice President Cheney, etc

[ikester110]

thanks that makes sense. I knew that i just guess I assumed he was talking in present tense. Thanks for clarification

[siyengar9821]

Where were all these people when the tortures were going on and why didn't they speak up to stop it?

[bloomingdedalus]

@siyengar9821 One soldier refused to torture and then "killed herself" - if you believe that - a dissenter in the military witness to war crimes is a threat when she fails to become complicit in those crimes - see Alyssa Peterson.