@rangaisgayyyy Yes you are quite correct. I knew this but got the name mixed up with someone else while I was typing the text out. Thx for bringing it to my attention - Wayne
You need to research your subject far deeper and better.3 Police were killed at Stringybark creek and one of them Lonigan had 6 children under the age of 10 leading his wife and kids to live in destitution as there was no welfare or compensation for police officers families killed in the line of duty.And ned pointing a loaded gun at an innocent bank teller doing his job is ok is it?Ned was a thug,thieve and murderer nothing else
I think you're missing the point of this video. In his rebellious spirit and the parallels with the Australian character came the making of Ned the icon. Sure he was no angel, i'm not saying he was but let's be honest here, the Irish Catholics of the 1800s were looked down on as second class citizens. He was victimized simply because of his family background.
As for the police, I have no sympathy for law enforement officers who openfire while the hostages are still in the hotel. They were trigger happy. They wanted a trophy.
Lonigans wasn't at Glenrowen,and why were there hostages there in the first place?? The gang had taken them hostage and if they were behind the gang why did Thomas Curnow warn police of the damage to the rail line?
Once again research your subject your knowledge is lacking in basic areas, 3 police were killed at Stringybark creek,.Look up the archives you'll find an account of a young Ned running to police chased by an uncle who wanted to murder him and Ned pleading for police to save him!
If you have read the accounts I have including testimonies by hostages you'll find that the hostages at know time felt threatened by the Kelly gang. In fact they sat around drinking. Curnow warning police is simply a matter of doing his duty as he saw it. This doesn't mean that the glenrowan hostages were in any danger from the gang. Not one of them was harmed. It was the police who were the danger by firing indiscriminately while the hostages were inside. Look it up!
You need to get real 3 not 2 police killed at Stringybark,you don't even know the facts of the notorious incident!!! How embarassing.And good old Ned would run to police when he needed them wouldn,t he.You also failed to mention that a young Ned was Harry Powers apprentice,so once again this proves that the family weren't victimised by police they were criminals Read "Harry Power" by Kevin j Passey as you seem to get your knowledge from movies and oral historians with their hand me down wisdom
No, two were killed outright, ONE was mortally wounded- Seargent Kennedy. I said two were killed AT Stringybark creek which is correct!
Yes I know about Harry Powers. You are aware that Kelly saved a boy from drowning aren't you? Not all bad as you are painting him. You need to be more balanced. Again i'm not making excuses for Ned Kelly. If you watch the vid I didn't say anywhere in it he was blameless.
You seem to have a hatred for Ned Kelly. Why is this?
As for hating Ned Kelly when i made my first visit to Melbourne to visit the goal i made sure i got myself a victorian one day cricket top as i loved the Ned Kelly emblem on it,ashame more Australian sporting teams don't use more Australian names unlike the Cowboys and Broncos
Sat around drinking while the gang had them under guns i'd be drinking too as it could be my last.Have you ever been the victim of a armed hold up? I mention Lonigan and your reply is the Glenrowen shootout??He was murdered long before then by Ned and would you have liked to be the one to inform his wife and 6 children of his murder? Read bushrangers "Heroes or villians"by australias leading bshranger authority Edgar Penzig if want the truth or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand?
I didn't mention Lonigan at all. You said out of the blue he wasn't at Glenrowan. I know this. What i'm saying is the hostages according to reports did not feel as though their lives were at stake. You need to do some research yourself. I researched this vid for weeks buddy.
If i've made a mistake i'll admit it but so far you've said absolutely nothing to contradict me. You are just crapping on showing what a clever lad you are when in truth you seem to have a hatred of Kelly. Quite interesting...and you're Irish too.
How can I research it, there's nothing on your channel, not even a picture. I'm from Melbourne, btw. Melbourne Victoria and i've been to Glenrowan several times.
I also and to Glenrowen,Melbourne goal Jerilderie and i lived in Jugiong where SGT Parry was murdered by the Hall gang, been to Collector and Binalong where Constable Nelson was murdered by the Hall gang and John Gilbert met his end.Been to Gundagai for Captain Scott and Parrys Grave sites,Randwick and botany for Frederick Pottinger and Dunn.2 books i can recommend "Tracking down the bushrangers" by Peter CSmith and "In search of Ned" by Kevin J Passey
Ok. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree for the moment. I see Kelly as an intregal part of forging the Australian character or if not he represented it. This was the spirit in which I made this vid, not a history lesson. Not enough time in just ten mnutes. I'll check the books you recommend.
3 years and i will be visiting Tipperary soon to see what i can discover about Neds family connections from there.Should be an interesting visit.I prefer to look upon Simpson and his donkey at Galipoli as forging the australian character risking his life to help others just like Australias gift to the sporting world Surf lifesaving the only sport i can think of where the object is to save a lfe not tak e life Now that's real Australian for me.And i know he was born in NZ
Don't waste your time researching bushrangers on youtube go to the source the state and the newspaper archives,another good book for photos of the kelly gang is Ned Kelly by Keith McMemory
That is by far the most impressive history of Ned Kelly that I have ever read. I hvae never kept the facts straight before, but now I'm sure that I will. Thanks so much for re-visiting this important piece of Australian history. You did Ned proud mate! :)
Hi Dave, yes there is an "official" history of Ned Kelly then there are the facts lol. Kelly was an important figure in Australia's history, not least his influence on the national character, imo.
I'm reading about Ned Kelly right now, and I really enjoyed your vid. Your music choices were perfect too! I think it was a good idea that you posted this on the Australia Now and Always group. :)
Thx Betty, i'm glad you liked it :). Ned's a fascinating character and is something of a national icon in Australia. If you look through the comments thread you'll see that I have posted a few site URLs for others to check out. If you are looking for further reading material I highly recommend them.
I think I forgot to tell you that I love this music, I think it added so much to the story, the right one always does, I was also gonna look up some things on this, Im very interested in this, and more of your history there, so glad you did it, thank you!
Thx, Dawn. The Irish fiddle music is 'Gleanntan Alainn' from the CD Saffron & Blue by Manus McGuire and the rock music I took from a live performance of "JailBreak" by ACDC. If you are interested, here are a couple of sites for you to check out on Ned and other Bushrangers. :) nedonlineDOTimagineeringDOTnetDOTau/MasterframesetDOThtm
I'm such a loss at Aussie history, which shows the shameful state of our history lessons.... I had the impression that convicts were just dumped on the shores with no one else there except them.
No, the convicts were guarded by British soldiers. Also, when a convict had served his time, often he would settle in Oz. Free settlers began arriving very early on. It was a mix of free immigrants and jailed convicts. Australia is the only country in history to have been founded as a penal setttlement. Something we are quite cool about these days lol though for a long time we felt a certain amount of shame. I think we've done pretty well considering. :)
Britain did dump it's convicts in the US colonies for many years. Once you became independent the Brits had to look elsewhere. They chose us because at the time, the continent was deemed to be "Terra Nullius", meaning unoccupied. They forgot to tell the aborigines about this.
Is that true? I thought it would be common knowledge. After all, it's in Wikipedia. I kid.
I'd say the the orthodox history books and school curriculums avoided mentioning convictism and focused on the puritan pilgrims for the same reasons that some people in Australia felt ashamed of our past. The phenomenon in Oz was called the "convict stain" of our origin. These days we don't care.
We certainly are, cousin. :) Oz and the US are VERY similar countries in so many ways. It's a pity that Americans don't know our history like we know yours. That's understandable given your importance in the world, but still, if you did know you'd see we are almost blood brothers. Australia is the only country in the world to have fought beside the US in every major war; I think that says something right there.
Perfectly said, toots-ette. There is no simple answer to anything- too many shades for simple black and white. I chose to do this for a few reasons: one of those was to steer away from stereotypical representations of Australia. Everyone knows we have sun and surf, kangaroos, the opera house and a bridge, oh and Croc Hunter. I wanted to show something of the evolution of the Australian people,the essence of what we are..and the sort of guy you talk to. ;)
I do so wish *I* embodied more of ol' Ned's qualities. Perhaps that is why I tend to align myself with those who do. I think you chose very well, dearheart. Makes me want to fanagle my way half way around the world moreso now. Stop by my way if you have not yet done so to see where I Have traveled as of late... finally posted a fraction of the pics. (shameless self promotion)
Wayne, this is very thought-provoking in several ways. I like how you put the music/words/history, together, with the very moving scenes of the gaol and some of movie clips. You have a right for your history to be known to the world, and we have the right to learn your history. Via YT, you are helping many countries with this. I learned from this, things I did not know.
Thx River, i'm happy that you appreciate the work put into it. I guess you could say the vid is part history lesson, part art vid, but the real intention was to examine the birth of national character; those moments in history that forge deep aspects in group identity. No matter that the times change, certain traits are indelibly imprinted on the Australian psyche. We take them wherever we go. Ned Kelly both embodied and helped shape the Australian character in a way he could not know. :)
You just hit on my exact feelings in your last sentence. He had no idea. He just lived his beliefs and they turned out to embody a country and inspire others. Can you imagine if he saw this video and knew today that his feelings were backed up?
If he was around today I think he'd be pretty happy with the way the country has progressed. The divisions that existed then, no longer apply. We are an independent nation state now and the disparity between rich and poor is nothing like it was then. I believe he would see some of himself in who we are today. I think he'd feel some fulfillment. I know he'd still be wondering when we are going to become a republic like the USA. That won't be long. We are two hundred years younger than you guys.
You told the story very well for us foreigners. It's the likes of history that one could read on for a long time. Effective soundtrack! I must watch again, catch more details and pause on the artworks...and comment again :) What a brave man. Thx for doing this one :))
LOL! Well, if truth be known, you don't really feel like a foreigner after all this time...is that better?! Haa
I've slowly absorbed the vid now, and at first I thought I didn't care for Nolan's work, but near the 4 min mark I changed my mind rather dramatically LOL and was a lil surprised that they came from the 40's era. I'll have to do a search online to see more. I assume they hang in a prominent museum. I like the use of the sepia tones, too, of course :)
I'm very glad you told this important part of Aussie history here. It's intriguing to say the least. I started to ask you lots of questions but I think I'll just go do a search online for more. I'd like to know how he is written up in the history books, etc.
His face mask, to me, appears to reveal a man of peace; not a criminal! And I do truly believe in the 'reading' of faces :)
There are a couple of links below in my reply to msdawn84 that you can look up. There are countless sites on Kelly, some conflict with others depending on how objective they are.
I wouldn't describe Ned as a man of peace, Liz lol. Perhaps the face mask reflects this because he's...dead? *GUFFAW* I think his face reflects strength, pride and a certain dignity.
He did not receive a dignified burial. They dissected his body for research, decapitating him in the process. His remains have only recently been found...we think. Someone stole his skull from the Old Melbourne Gaol years ago. I guess it's still floating around the black market.
I understand he had representation but the lawyer was on a hiding to nothing. Ned shot the policeman stoned dead and admitted it. This was the skirmish at Stringy Bark Creek, btw. In fact it's all that he was charged with but methinks it was enough. He believed he was despised but in fact a petition for his reprieve was signed by members of the Melbourne public. You'll find this incredible but over 10% of the entire Melbourne population signed the petition.
The population of Melbourne were never on the recieving end of a Kelly bullet or robbery,they just believed every thing the press publicised which was very anti police!!!
I don't blame them for being antyi-police, the cops were notoriously corrupt in those days. I should remind you that some of the loot from Ned's bank job when on the run went to help the poor locals.
The loot went to paying off harbourers,bush telegraphs and buying support,not poor locals,as for poor people did they give any to Lonigans widow and orphans??
You are just like alot of oral historians who don't research their subject and just take the old lines handed down without going down the proper channels of investigation.The Kelly and Quinn clans were all criminals, horse thieves,Cattle Duffers,sly grog sellers and handover people who intimidated anybody who stood up to them .
The bush telegraphs WERE the locals. As you seem to know so much about 19th century history i'm surprised you don't know this. They weren't gang members they were locals sympatheitc to the Kelly gang. As I said before, i'm well aware that Ned and his gang weren't angels but they were prejudiced against because of their Irishness. I think you should at least ackowledge this.
Nolan is an acquired taste, that's for sure. At first glance his paintings appear heavy handed and primitivist with little subtlety but this is an illusion and the paintings of the Kelly series reflect a social point of view as well as historical depiction. They are VERY Australian so it's understandable that cetain compositional nuances will be missed by people not of Oz. There are statements within the paintings.
Exactly. I don't usually care for many primitive works (paintings, that is). But his did draw me in. I'll be watchful for the nuances when I search, but brace yourself for more questions :)
LOL 'wags finger'? dang; ok, definitions: I luv primitive sculpture and true primitive artworks, but NOT so much the 'primitivist' or the modernist approach; one of his shown early in the vid 'almost' becomes color/field painting. But they are mainly figurative, powerful paintings with a painterly feel. That's the attraction! :D heeehe
Hey..thx S. :) You know, I hardly used any of the OneTrueMedia effects or features, except for the zoom. The dissolve and fade- in etc I created using an image editor. I superimposed one image over another in stages then strung them together. It works pretty well though eats up the time. :)
This is a story that needed to be told, I am so glad you did, I see him like a Jessie James, and to Jessie and his brother were hero's victims of circumstance, war and so many other things, I thing Ned had the same, thank you for sharing this. I love history any and everything but especially stories like these that need to be told.
River said the other day that Jesse James might be a comparison. I must read up on him.
Thanks for your generous comment, Dawn, i'm a lover of history, too and yes, it is a story that needed to be told. There should be more home made history vids imo.
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This is incorrect, The constable who made the drunken pass at Kate Kelly Was Alexander Fitzpatrick, Not Kirkpatrick!
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rangaisgayyyy 1 year ago
This is incorrect, The constable who made the drunken pass at Kate Kelly Was Alexander Fitzpatrick, Not Kirkpatrick!
rangaisgayyyy 1 year ago
@rangaisgayyyy Yes you are quite correct. I knew this but got the name mixed up with someone else while I was typing the text out. Thx for bringing it to my attention - Wayne
sainter1 1 year ago
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rangaisgayyyy 1 year ago
Ned Kelly is a ledgend he will always be in my heart aswell as the rest of the kelly gang who lost there life on that dreadfull night at Glenrowen
EdwardKelly1880 2 years ago
Sorry to take so long getting back to you. I see you're a Kelly fan. :) Glad you liked the vid.
Wayne
sainter1 2 years ago
You need to research your subject far deeper and better.3 Police were killed at Stringybark creek and one of them Lonigan had 6 children under the age of 10 leading his wife and kids to live in destitution as there was no welfare or compensation for police officers families killed in the line of duty.And ned pointing a loaded gun at an innocent bank teller doing his job is ok is it?Ned was a thug,thieve and murderer nothing else
lapalad 2 years ago
I think you're missing the point of this video. In his rebellious spirit and the parallels with the Australian character came the making of Ned the icon. Sure he was no angel, i'm not saying he was but let's be honest here, the Irish Catholics of the 1800s were looked down on as second class citizens. He was victimized simply because of his family background.
sainter1 2 years ago
As for the police, I have no sympathy for law enforement officers who openfire while the hostages are still in the hotel. They were trigger happy. They wanted a trophy.
sainter1 2 years ago
Lonigans wasn't at Glenrowen,and why were there hostages there in the first place?? The gang had taken them hostage and if they were behind the gang why did Thomas Curnow warn police of the damage to the rail line?
Once again research your subject your knowledge is lacking in basic areas, 3 police were killed at Stringybark creek,.Look up the archives you'll find an account of a young Ned running to police chased by an uncle who wanted to murder him and Ned pleading for police to save him!
lapalad 2 years ago
If you have read the accounts I have including testimonies by hostages you'll find that the hostages at know time felt threatened by the Kelly gang. In fact they sat around drinking. Curnow warning police is simply a matter of doing his duty as he saw it. This doesn't mean that the glenrowan hostages were in any danger from the gang. Not one of them was harmed. It was the police who were the danger by firing indiscriminately while the hostages were inside. Look it up!
sainter1 2 years ago
And what exactly has Ned going to the police as a young man got to do with it? What are you saying, he was yellow? Get real, pal.
sainter1 2 years ago
BTW, I never said Lonigan was at Glenrowan so what's your point?
sainter1 2 years ago
You need to get real 3 not 2 police killed at Stringybark,you don't even know the facts of the notorious incident!!! How embarassing.And good old Ned would run to police when he needed them wouldn,t he.You also failed to mention that a young Ned was Harry Powers apprentice,so once again this proves that the family weren't victimised by police they were criminals Read "Harry Power" by Kevin j Passey as you seem to get your knowledge from movies and oral historians with their hand me down wisdom
lapalad 2 years ago
No, two were killed outright, ONE was mortally wounded- Seargent Kennedy. I said two were killed AT Stringybark creek which is correct!
Yes I know about Harry Powers. You are aware that Kelly saved a boy from drowning aren't you? Not all bad as you are painting him. You need to be more balanced. Again i'm not making excuses for Ned Kelly. If you watch the vid I didn't say anywhere in it he was blameless.
You seem to have a hatred for Ned Kelly. Why is this?
sainter1 2 years ago
As for hating Ned Kelly when i made my first visit to Melbourne to visit the goal i made sure i got myself a victorian one day cricket top as i loved the Ned Kelly emblem on it,ashame more Australian sporting teams don't use more Australian names unlike the Cowboys and Broncos
lapalad 2 years ago
Sat around drinking while the gang had them under guns i'd be drinking too as it could be my last.Have you ever been the victim of a armed hold up? I mention Lonigan and your reply is the Glenrowen shootout??He was murdered long before then by Ned and would you have liked to be the one to inform his wife and 6 children of his murder? Read bushrangers "Heroes or villians"by australias leading bshranger authority Edgar Penzig if want the truth or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand?
lapalad 2 years ago
I didn't mention Lonigan at all. You said out of the blue he wasn't at Glenrowan. I know this. What i'm saying is the hostages according to reports did not feel as though their lives were at stake. You need to do some research yourself. I researched this vid for weeks buddy.
sainter1 2 years ago
If i've made a mistake i'll admit it but so far you've said absolutely nothing to contradict me. You are just crapping on showing what a clever lad you are when in truth you seem to have a hatred of Kelly. Quite interesting...and you're Irish too.
sainter1 2 years ago
Not Irish mate Aussie living in Ireland,don't atke everything you read as fact without researching it
lapalad 2 years ago
How can I research it, there's nothing on your channel, not even a picture. I'm from Melbourne, btw. Melbourne Victoria and i've been to Glenrowan several times.
sainter1 2 years ago
I also and to Glenrowen,Melbourne goal Jerilderie and i lived in Jugiong where SGT Parry was murdered by the Hall gang, been to Collector and Binalong where Constable Nelson was murdered by the Hall gang and John Gilbert met his end.Been to Gundagai for Captain Scott and Parrys Grave sites,Randwick and botany for Frederick Pottinger and Dunn.2 books i can recommend "Tracking down the bushrangers" by Peter CSmith and "In search of Ned" by Kevin J Passey
lapalad 2 years ago
Ok. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree for the moment. I see Kelly as an intregal part of forging the Australian character or if not he represented it. This was the spirit in which I made this vid, not a history lesson. Not enough time in just ten mnutes. I'll check the books you recommend.
How long have you been in Ireland?
sainter1 2 years ago
3 years and i will be visiting Tipperary soon to see what i can discover about Neds family connections from there.Should be an interesting visit.I prefer to look upon Simpson and his donkey at Galipoli as forging the australian character risking his life to help others just like Australias gift to the sporting world Surf lifesaving the only sport i can think of where the object is to save a lfe not tak e life Now that's real Australian for me.And i know he was born in NZ
lapalad 2 years ago
@lapalad Simpson was not an Australian. He was an Englishman.
goldman8073 1 year ago
@goldman8073 Ok thanks i actually thought he was born in NZ
lapalad 1 year ago
Don't waste your time researching bushrangers on youtube go to the source the state and the newspaper archives,another good book for photos of the kelly gang is Ned Kelly by Keith McMemory
lapalad 2 years ago
Oh I didn't use YouTube for my research. Anyway there's very little on here of any substance.
sainter1 2 years ago
That is by far the most impressive history of Ned Kelly that I have ever read. I hvae never kept the facts straight before, but now I'm sure that I will. Thanks so much for re-visiting this important piece of Australian history. You did Ned proud mate! :)
FrancisRidley 3 years ago
Hi Dave, yes there is an "official" history of Ned Kelly then there are the facts lol. Kelly was an important figure in Australia's history, not least his influence on the national character, imo.
Thx for watching, mate. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
Thankyou .Well done.I've always respected Ned and his mates also for what they stood for.
RATTLEY67 3 years ago
Thx, mate, i'm glad you like it. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
I'm reading about Ned Kelly right now, and I really enjoyed your vid. Your music choices were perfect too! I think it was a good idea that you posted this on the Australia Now and Always group. :)
kalacaw 3 years ago
Thx Betty, i'm glad you liked it :). Ned's a fascinating character and is something of a national icon in Australia. If you look through the comments thread you'll see that I have posted a few site URLs for others to check out. If you are looking for further reading material I highly recommend them.
Cheers
Wayne
sainter1 3 years ago
this is great check out my ned kelly videos im sure you would appreciate them
wellzy837 3 years ago
G'day Mark, thx for watching. I certainly will check out your Kelly vids.
You're from Bendigo, mate? Melbourne here.
Cheers
Wayne
sainter1 3 years ago
You've got me to reading about him via Google.
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago
There are some excellent sites around. This one is very pro Kelly
convictcreationsDOTcom/history/nedkellyDOThtm
sainter1 3 years ago
I think I forgot to tell you that I love this music, I think it added so much to the story, the right one always does, I was also gonna look up some things on this, Im very interested in this, and more of your history there, so glad you did it, thank you!
msdawn84 3 years ago
Thx, Dawn. The Irish fiddle music is 'Gleanntan Alainn' from the CD Saffron & Blue by Manus McGuire and the rock music I took from a live performance of "JailBreak" by ACDC. If you are interested, here are a couple of sites for you to check out on Ned and other Bushrangers. :) nedonlineDOTimagineeringDOTnetDOTau/MasterframesetDOThtm
australianhistoryDOTorg/bushrangersDOTphp
sainter1 3 years ago
I'm such a loss at Aussie history, which shows the shameful state of our history lessons.... I had the impression that convicts were just dumped on the shores with no one else there except them.
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago
No, the convicts were guarded by British soldiers. Also, when a convict had served his time, often he would settle in Oz. Free settlers began arriving very early on. It was a mix of free immigrants and jailed convicts. Australia is the only country in history to have been founded as a penal setttlement. Something we are quite cool about these days lol though for a long time we felt a certain amount of shame. I think we've done pretty well considering. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
The first frame... was Britain going to send convicts to the US colonies?
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago
Britain did dump it's convicts in the US colonies for many years. Once you became independent the Brits had to look elsewhere. They chose us because at the time, the continent was deemed to be "Terra Nullius", meaning unoccupied. They forgot to tell the aborigines about this.
sainter1 3 years ago
Another secret the Yankee govt wished to erase from the history books.
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago
Is that true? I thought it would be common knowledge. After all, it's in Wikipedia. I kid.
I'd say the the orthodox history books and school curriculums avoided mentioning convictism and focused on the puritan pilgrims for the same reasons that some people in Australia felt ashamed of our past. The phenomenon in Oz was called the "convict stain" of our origin. These days we don't care.
sainter1 3 years ago
How intertwined we are, cousin :)
MotherReiver 3 years ago
We certainly are, cousin. :) Oz and the US are VERY similar countries in so many ways. It's a pity that Americans don't know our history like we know yours. That's understandable given your importance in the world, but still, if you did know you'd see we are almost blood brothers. Australia is the only country in the world to have fought beside the US in every major war; I think that says something right there.
I think i'll make a few more 'history' vids.:)
sainter1 3 years ago
I think we're just noiseyer ;-D I appreciate my Aussie cousins!
MotherReiver 3 years ago
Well done, my friend. There is no black. There is no white. Thank you for sharing Ned Kelly's story with us.
IXGertXI 3 years ago
Perfectly said, toots-ette. There is no simple answer to anything- too many shades for simple black and white. I chose to do this for a few reasons: one of those was to steer away from stereotypical representations of Australia. Everyone knows we have sun and surf, kangaroos, the opera house and a bridge, oh and Croc Hunter. I wanted to show something of the evolution of the Australian people,the essence of what we are..and the sort of guy you talk to. ;)
sainter1 3 years ago
I do so wish *I* embodied more of ol' Ned's qualities. Perhaps that is why I tend to align myself with those who do. I think you chose very well, dearheart. Makes me want to fanagle my way half way around the world moreso now. Stop by my way if you have not yet done so to see where I Have traveled as of late... finally posted a fraction of the pics. (shameless self promotion)
IXGertXI 3 years ago
Pimping your own vid, eh? LOL I'll be there in a moment.
Btw, you are welcome to drop by my ranch any old time you land in Oz. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
Be careful what you offer, my dear. I tend to take people up on such... How else do you think I wound up at a wedding in Edinburgh!?
IXGertXI 3 years ago
To see what's really under a Scotsman's kilt?
sainter1 3 years ago
Pity the Scotsmen I was with were more interested in what was under the other Scotsmen's kilts!
IXGertXI 3 years ago
Wayne, this is very thought-provoking in several ways. I like how you put the music/words/history, together, with the very moving scenes of the gaol and some of movie clips. You have a right for your history to be known to the world, and we have the right to learn your history. Via YT, you are helping many countries with this. I learned from this, things I did not know.
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago 2
Thx River, i'm happy that you appreciate the work put into it. I guess you could say the vid is part history lesson, part art vid, but the real intention was to examine the birth of national character; those moments in history that forge deep aspects in group identity. No matter that the times change, certain traits are indelibly imprinted on the Australian psyche. We take them wherever we go. Ned Kelly both embodied and helped shape the Australian character in a way he could not know. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
You just hit on my exact feelings in your last sentence. He had no idea. He just lived his beliefs and they turned out to embody a country and inspire others. Can you imagine if he saw this video and knew today that his feelings were backed up?
RiverBirch1967 3 years ago
If he was around today I think he'd be pretty happy with the way the country has progressed. The divisions that existed then, no longer apply. We are an independent nation state now and the disparity between rich and poor is nothing like it was then. I believe he would see some of himself in who we are today. I think he'd feel some fulfillment. I know he'd still be wondering when we are going to become a republic like the USA. That won't be long. We are two hundred years younger than you guys.
sainter1 3 years ago
Mornin Saint,
You told the story very well for us foreigners. It's the likes of history that one could read on for a long time. Effective soundtrack! I must watch again, catch more details and pause on the artworks...and comment again :) What a brave man. Thx for doing this one :))
LizBizToo 3 years ago
Definitely,this is one for multiple-viewings
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
Oh,look - there's a Johnny Cash song in the related "Ned Kelly"
Imma listen to that
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
/watch?v=2LH7FXf66KU
Oh,I love that :)
Johnny gets it all right,again :)
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
Yeah I noticed that when looking for Kelly footage. I must listen. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
Hi there, foreigner! *guffaw*
Truth be told, there's a Ned Kelly in every culture, but we Aussies are pretty happy with the one we've got.
I'm glad you liked the artwork. Sidney Nolan painted the abstract Ned Kelly pics in a series in 1945. They are national treasures and so was he. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
LOL! Well, if truth be known, you don't really feel like a foreigner after all this time...is that better?! Haa
I've slowly absorbed the vid now, and at first I thought I didn't care for Nolan's work, but near the 4 min mark I changed my mind rather dramatically LOL and was a lil surprised that they came from the 40's era. I'll have to do a search online to see more. I assume they hang in a prominent museum. I like the use of the sepia tones, too, of course :)
LizBizToo 3 years ago
I'm very glad you told this important part of Aussie history here. It's intriguing to say the least. I started to ask you lots of questions but I think I'll just go do a search online for more. I'd like to know how he is written up in the history books, etc.
His face mask, to me, appears to reveal a man of peace; not a criminal! And I do truly believe in the 'reading' of faces :)
Excellent job, as always, Saint :)
LizBizToo 3 years ago
There are a couple of links below in my reply to msdawn84 that you can look up. There are countless sites on Kelly, some conflict with others depending on how objective they are.
I wouldn't describe Ned as a man of peace, Liz lol. Perhaps the face mask reflects this because he's...dead? *GUFFAW* I think his face reflects strength, pride and a certain dignity.
sainter1 3 years ago
He did not receive a dignified burial. They dissected his body for research, decapitating him in the process. His remains have only recently been found...we think. Someone stole his skull from the Old Melbourne Gaol years ago. I guess it's still floating around the black market.
sainter1 3 years ago
How absolutely terrible.
It sounds as if he had no lawyer, either.
LizBizToo 3 years ago
I understand he had representation but the lawyer was on a hiding to nothing. Ned shot the policeman stoned dead and admitted it. This was the skirmish at Stringy Bark Creek, btw. In fact it's all that he was charged with but methinks it was enough. He believed he was despised but in fact a petition for his reprieve was signed by members of the Melbourne public. You'll find this incredible but over 10% of the entire Melbourne population signed the petition.
sainter1 3 years ago
The population of Melbourne were never on the recieving end of a Kelly bullet or robbery,they just believed every thing the press publicised which was very anti police!!!
lapalad 2 years ago
I don't blame them for being antyi-police, the cops were notoriously corrupt in those days. I should remind you that some of the loot from Ned's bank job when on the run went to help the poor locals.
You seem to have it in for Ned Kelly, don't you?
sainter1 2 years ago
The loot went to paying off harbourers,bush telegraphs and buying support,not poor locals,as for poor people did they give any to Lonigans widow and orphans??
You are just like alot of oral historians who don't research their subject and just take the old lines handed down without going down the proper channels of investigation.The Kelly and Quinn clans were all criminals, horse thieves,Cattle Duffers,sly grog sellers and handover people who intimidated anybody who stood up to them .
lapalad 2 years ago
The bush telegraphs WERE the locals. As you seem to know so much about 19th century history i'm surprised you don't know this. They weren't gang members they were locals sympatheitc to the Kelly gang. As I said before, i'm well aware that Ned and his gang weren't angels but they were prejudiced against because of their Irishness. I think you should at least ackowledge this.
sainter1 2 years ago
LOL! Key word in my above comment: 'appears' (trying to see too much good stuff, eh :)
Ok, I'll go for strength, pride, and a certain dignity :) He doesn't look stressed, either LOL...I know: he's dead :D
And I would surely anticipate conflicting stories from what you've told me. All the more interesting. Thx for the links.
LizBizToo 3 years ago
Nolan is an acquired taste, that's for sure. At first glance his paintings appear heavy handed and primitivist with little subtlety but this is an illusion and the paintings of the Kelly series reflect a social point of view as well as historical depiction. They are VERY Australian so it's understandable that cetain compositional nuances will be missed by people not of Oz. There are statements within the paintings.
sainter1 3 years ago
Exactly. I don't usually care for many primitive works (paintings, that is). But his did draw me in. I'll be watchful for the nuances when I search, but brace yourself for more questions :)
LizBizToo 3 years ago
But if not paintings? *wags finger*
Always happy to answer questions, shoot! (no pun intended)
sainter1 3 years ago
LOL 'wags finger'? dang; ok, definitions: I luv primitive sculpture and true primitive artworks, but NOT so much the 'primitivist' or the modernist approach; one of his shown early in the vid 'almost' becomes color/field painting. But they are mainly figurative, powerful paintings with a painterly feel. That's the attraction! :D heeehe
LizBizToo 3 years ago
oh, and any smoking gun must be postponed...it's dinner time lol :P
LizBizToo 3 years ago
We need moar Neds right now,I think
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
...a revival of that spirit at any rate
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
Hey hey! Got that right! I see encouraging snippets now and then :)
LizBizToo 3 years ago
Yep,this is the Artistic renegades quadrant...or something along those lines <3
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
100% correct!!!
sainter1 3 years ago
This is awesome work,Sainter
It was the very first video I watched this morning :)
Excellent job all round
I reckong OneTrueMedia should give you shares - every video shows how versatile the service is
citizenX9328g 3 years ago 2
* reckon
citizenX9328g 3 years ago
Hey..thx S. :) You know, I hardly used any of the OneTrueMedia effects or features, except for the zoom. The dissolve and fade- in etc I created using an image editor. I superimposed one image over another in stages then strung them together. It works pretty well though eats up the time. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
aw glad you wrote script. my speakers dont work. it is a wonderful piece and informative. have a wonderfu weekend Mate!!!
dottyjay 3 years ago
Dotty, did you try using headphones? I'm sorry you can't hear the soundtrack. Thx for watching and you have a great weekend, too. :)
sainter1 3 years ago
yes but i got new speakers lol
dottyjay 3 years ago
So you can hear it now, yes?
sainter1 3 years ago
oh absolutely! i love the song and yes i did give you 5***** again..
dottyjay 3 years ago
This is a story that needed to be told, I am so glad you did, I see him like a Jessie James, and to Jessie and his brother were hero's victims of circumstance, war and so many other things, I thing Ned had the same, thank you for sharing this. I love history any and everything but especially stories like these that need to be told.
msdawn84 3 years ago 2
River said the other day that Jesse James might be a comparison. I must read up on him.
Thanks for your generous comment, Dawn, i'm a lover of history, too and yes, it is a story that needed to be told. There should be more home made history vids imo.
Wayne :)
sainter1 3 years ago