You have an issue with home schooling? You realize the only thing schools offer are (a) a program format, and (b) socialization. I wasn't home schooled, but after paying my way through college it didn't take me long to realize everything I learned there, I could have learned on my own at home. The books aren't exclusive, nor is the information... you gain only those aforementioned conveniences. Point is, home schooling is a valid option if you can organize material and have discipline.
@SuperboyXX0018 wow for real you see him like that damn, i felt the same as for bush look where he got us at =( well i hope obama is not what you say he is, if is true we all Fuck lol
The public is PISSED about the republicans being excluded from EVERY SINGLE major legistative meeting where legislation is being formed. Then Democrates open up the locked doors and have these multi million dollar BRIBES for votes. No C-Span... no transparency at all. Obama is a liar and a fraud. Proof? A YEAR of SELLING his ideas to america. They don't want them. But, no... PROGRESSIVES are going to do them ANYWAY, because THEY know better... IT'S CALLED TYRRANY.......
It's funny how lefites and "progressives" <joke are always HIDING what they believe from the voting public and conservatives are always trying to get their message out. What you are seeing is the public is just beginning to see what Obama, Reid, Pelosi are about and it scares the crap out of them. 78% of people who have health insurance don't want an overhaul by the government who will do what they always have done... Postal Service, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Medicare, Social Security. STEAL.
Here's the lesson to learn from the MA Senate race: Don't betray your Progressive roots Mr. President. The answer isn't to surrender to right-wing propaganda but to get back to the Progressive platform you were elected on.
And wingnuts you can't have it both ways. On one hand he's an activist and socialist trying to destroy the economy and the nation. But on the other hand he's a passive, do-nothing President who hasn't addressed the economy enough. Make up your mind wingnuts!
Again, irrelevant boots. You love using red herrings to avoid being cornered - a wonderful way to try to SPIN the issue, but it will not work today. You are just trying to avoid responsibility for the claim you made.
The fact you threw in a Hitler reference only further makes my point about who is spinning this issue - namely you.
On what grounds? Well, according to you, because his father was a Kenyan.
Why does that disqualify him? According to you, because no one with a Kenyan parent can be a natural born citizen.
Where does that come from? No one knows and repeated attempts at finding out from you have led to attempts by you at avoiding the question - only signifying you are pulling it out of your rear.
Tell that to the people living off food stamps and living in tents asshole. George Bush has just been proven a lier when he took his country to war, not what are you going to do spin the end of USA with the Kenyan National in charge what an asshole.
Can you support your position or not? OR is it that all your ideas have been refuted so completely that all you have are rhetorical devices that signify you are out of material?
It is an appeal to sympathy. Look up the term, Boots.
Calling me a bubble head and an asshole - ad hominem attack.
Bringing up unrelated information that doesn't pertain to your baseless claim that having a Kenyan father disqualifies one from being President - Red Herring.
Saying I like the US imploding - straw man & ad hominem.
Can you support your definition or not, Boots? Which is it? Is it you pulled it out of your rear or do you have something to back your position up? Come on. Fess up.
Um, name-calling isn't ad hominem. It's just name-calling. Oh, and not all ad hominem is invalid. Ad hominem is when is you try to discredit someone based on some kind of association. Some are valid, like not wanting pedophiles working in day cares, and some are not, like saying black people will always vote Democrat.
There are multiple versions of ad hominem attacks, Thisisnotmyrealname.
Google: critical thinking information center, go to student edition, chapter 6.
Name calling falls under personal attacks, which is an attempt to discredit my arguments based on the labels he wishes to saddle me with, right or wrong. Regardless of if you agree they are ad hominem attacks or just name-calling, however, they are still stupid, petty, and only show the weakness of his position.
You're right. It's just that pointing out ad hominem so strictly on youtube seems a little erroneous. Someone calls you an expletive expletive, and you reply something to the effect of, "Sir, you have violated the integrity of our civil debate", it just doesn't mesh. Someone calls you a "bobblehead" obviously it's ad hominem, but they are really just trying to evoke emotion, not trying to persuade anyone. So, I say name-calling.
Normally, I would not have even bothered, but once I cornered boots in the debate and tried to force him to back up his claims, he became evasive, resorting to a number of rhetorical devices to try to weasel out of having to back up his ridiculous assertions.
"It is an appeal to sympathy. Look up the term, Boots"
- no its reality bubble head how come taxpayers are living in tents in one of the richest countries in the world ?
"baseless claim that having a Kenyan father disqualifies one from being President - Red Herring."
-I quote law from the US constitution buddy likes that there's a dual citizen in power. (Natural Born is a truth you can't define a truth because its not a grey area)
He doesn't say anything about Obama protecting a war criminal.
For the umpteenth time, where do you get the idea that natural born prohibits someone with a Kenyan father? If you say it is in the constitution, where does that passage exist? If it is in the law books, where? Or is it that no such proof exists and you are just making it up as you go?
At this point, after hours of asking you to supply evidence that your definition of natural born citizen is correct, if the next post you make doesn't back up your claim, you are admitting you have nothing.
That settles it, Boots. You do have nothing to support your claim that an individual born on US soil with a Kenyan father is not a natural born citizen.
"You can read, can't you?" Yes, I can and have. Nowhere in the constitution or current law is there a definition for natural born citizen similar to what you suggest. You won't quote the constitution, because you know it isn't there.
Bullshit Obama hasn't proven his citizenship no long form.
Article II Sec1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at Adoption of this Constituiton, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
1) Obama is a dual citizen ineligible
2) If you define Natural Born as a US citizen born on US soil then Barry has to show proof of hospital , mother's residence , witnessed, sealed its called a long form birth certificate
1) Prove it! You continue to claim dual citizens are ineligible to be natural born citizens. Prove it!
2) If you can't even agree on with the rest of the world in defining "natural born citizen," then the long form is irrelevant to you. You have already declared Obama ineligible in spite of the facts. Any evidence to the contrary is pointless, because you will refuse to see reality.
If you do wish to now concede that his father being a Kenyan does not prohibit him from being President and that all that needs to be proven is that he was born on US soil, then I go back to my own personal experience with the certificate of live birth.
If it was good enough for the government to prove my citizenship due to my birth in Hawaii, why isn't it good enough for you?
"If it was good enough for the government to prove my citizenship due to my birth in Hawaii, why isn't it good enough for you?"
Because you're not the POTUS dip shit, Obama is sending more troops to an unfunded war for no reason. No long form taxpayers shouldn't have to point out the obvious and educate the masses on what citizenship is. Short form does not prove citizenship that's a fact.
First, calling me a dip shit doesn't make your position any more solid. In fact, it is the retort of a person with nothing to say.
Second, citizenship is citizenship. You either are or you are not. So, if my certificate proves my citizenship, then it proves his as well. As per the constitution, there is equal protection under the law. That means that the same standards of proof apply to me as apply to him.
Third, "short form" DOES prove citizenship, because it proved it for me!
That's the problem the short form doesn't prove you born on US soil. Only the long form has hospital, doctor sealed.
Obama is a Fraud...the US people are dumber than a sack of hammers.
Notice dip shit keeps saying the short form is proof of citizenship that's a lie, I know I had to prove my CITIZENSHIP to government with a long form the short form wasn't adequate.
You ASS U ME Obama born on US soil that hasn't been proven.
I told you. Call Oregon DMV. Ask them what they accept as proof of citizenship, if they would accept a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. They will verify my story. The fact you will not make the call means you are afraid that it will turn out that they do indeed accept it, Boots.
Oh, and as you are back to talking about proof of his birth in Hawaii, I assume you are conceding that if proven he was born in Hawaii that he would be a natural born citizen. If not, for the last time, give me the evidence that says he would not be.
That's right Obama has nothing to prove he was born on US soil. The long form is a formality if Obama was born on US soil it would have been shown many moons ago.
There're wouldn't be multiple unreported on main stream court cases going on. (Censorship ridiculous)
All symptoms of a country imploding due to corruption.
It makes the USA look like a Banana Republic - proven.
Bush lied dude you idiots have been fighting for nothing.
Well, I'm glad we agree that you have nothing, boots. Now that we have that agreed upon, I think we can all go home and relax knowing that you admit your position is completely unfounded.
1) I had to prove my citizenship to get my driver's license and used the "short form" to do it. Further, I have told you to call the Oregon DMV to verify this. If you had, you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense.
2) On the passport application, which I might add will also prove citizenship, they will accept any notarized birth certificate as proof of birth within the country, and that "short form" qualifies.
Oh, and I see you dropped that dual-citizenship nonsense as well.
One thing that I CANNOT get over is that Pres. Obama repeatedly claims that you can't disagree with health-care reform unless you're a greedy bastard or an idiot.
A lib a liar?? Still don't see how people who voted for him in 2008 actually thought he was telling the truth, baffles me. I know why the blacks voted for him and the libs, but not the independents. He said "Change" but we all know that nothing will change, lmfao, he'll just make it worse if he could actually get anything done. (which he can't) Bush got shit done with FAR less support in the senate, Libs can't do shit even with super-majority. They are a laughable group of "people".
YOU are the one that embraced the special interests mr. president. you are losing all credibility in the polls and with public trust because you sir...are a liar.
He just doesn't get it. The democrats shouldn't be "laughing it up." They've disenchanted their entire base by moving too far to the right with this weak bill, and now they're moving MORE to the right after the Senate ad.
i like the way obama is talking to these people. He has that down to earth tone and the "I don't really care what washington thinks" kind of quality. It's kind of refreshing
They had 38 hours to read a 2,500 page bill. and he has the audacity to say that it takes too long. Bush was no better there was only 45 minutes to read the Patriot act before it was voted on. We should burn Washington and start over.
She deserved to lose because she did not even bother to campaign. She was arrogant about it, "What do you all expect-me stand out in the cold and shake hands?" That's what Brown did. She EXPECTED to win without campaigning. Good-she lost. She deserved to lose.
He talks about special interests but who's the one that had to bribe senators. Benedict Nelson is done in Nebraska because he took that bribe. How is it that most of the country doesn't want this and he still says that we do? This guy is a bumbling buffoon and worthless.
Wow... for some reason that renewed my confidence in Obama. I was about to give up hope in the guy. I'm sure he'll live up to my expectations in 2010.
what do you mean when he acts you go into despair??.. the laws being passed... or NOT being passed.. has little to do with Obama's actions.. and more to do with CONGRESS.. so if you have any despair... focus any frustrations from it at congress... mainly republicans who obviously ALL been bought off by special interest
He as commander-in-chief can order the troops home. Guantanamo after a year is not closed. All his current legislating meetings he's had are not only in secret but with corporate democrats or insurance companies. And he wonders why it hasn't passed.
I'm confident if Obama does what he said he would he'll be successful. But he does the opposite.
"I'm confident if Obama does what he said he would he'll be successful. But he does the opposite."
That's because he's a dual citizen and gives a rat's ass what happens to his country.
50 billion for a failed car company, sending not enough troops to secure Afghanistan all symptoms of something smells like Obama gives a rat's ass. NOT subversion.
Like George Bush should be on trial for murder of 5,000 Patriots. Where's Barry on that issue...he can't even talk with out a prompter. PUPPET
Senate Report Conclusion Bush lied about taking the American people to war.
5,000 Patriots and 1.4 Iraqi civilians died for nothing
History Repeats
Nixon gets caught bombing Cambodia in secret so he becomes a known war criminal
That's the problem the people in power ignore the obvious like seriously Obama can't even prove he's a US citizen with no long form. Get back into despair immediately nothing is going to change.
When I had to prove citizenship to the government is was long form or nothing for a work visa overseas.
Obama not showing a long form with his father being a Kenyan National is the most deceptive, ridiculous , corrupt action I 've ever seen a government commit.
No rule of law means the globe's toast...take a good look at Haiti that's why they have in store for the peasants.
And when I had to prove my citizenship, the certificate of live birth I got from Hawaii was enough for the state - had lost my original birth certificate.
So, please boots.. knock it off. It is utterly bogus crap that makes your other points look insane. I've debunked you so many times on this point, I lost count. And yet, you dishonestly continue this ridiculous birther nonsense.
You no big deal , POTUS that can't prove his citizenship a big deal Nothing has been debunked !
WHY? Its not normal having a POTUS that can't prove himself a US Citizen
Dual Citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per US constitution.
Now you have a private bank counterfeiting currency with a mystery citizen POTUS , not good if you expect the government running the puppet show to be endeavoring to stabilize the economy.
No war taxes in 8 years looks like the US dollar is toast, so's the country.
Nothing has been debunked and then you state "Dual Citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per US constitution."
Ummm, okay. Not to state Obama is a dual citizen, but I want to know what twist of the words of the constitution do you have now to support this gem.
Furthermore, again, if my certificate of live birth is good enough for the state, why is it not good enough for you? Are you saying that I can't prove my citizenship? A US Vet who was deployed to a war zone???
"but I want to know what twist of the words of the constitution do you have now to support this gem"
Natural Born as per Law of Nations 1758
Natural Born born on US soil with BOTH parents US citizens, Obama is born on US soil (maybe no long form) but you know for sure his father was a Kenyan Citizen
Dual citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per rule of law.
My short form was not good enough for government to prove citizenship, Red Tape Sucks ass..
Oh dear. "Law of Nations, 1758"? It's not a law. It is a two volume book. Look it up: Online Library of Liberty, Law of Nations, 1758.
Furthermore, the Law of Nations is not the US Constitution.
And according to the first sentence in the 14th Amendment, my parents do not need to be citizens of the US for me to be a naturally born citizen. "All persons born or naturalized in the US ... are citizens of the US and the states wherein they reside."
the Law of Nations is not the US Constitution - exactly
The founding fathers used the definition of "Natural Born" from the Law of Nations and put it into law. (US Constitution)
Natural Born as per Founding Fathers intention as proven in POTUS eligibility requirements. "Citizen is sunset so founding fathers can be POTUS then only :
Now ask yourself why the Democratic party didn't vet buddy properly (checked out his background) before they put him forth as a candidate. Corruption It doesn't make sense having a dual citizen in power he's destroying the country right before your eyes. The US people should be right pissed off but they do nothing about it. No main stream media coverage on the court cases on Obama's disputed citizenship. People should be outraged but I guess football is more important than their country.
"It doesn't make sense having a dual citizen in power"
Well when you make up things in your own head of course it's not going to make sense. You're not worth a serious counter-argument. You're a certifiable moron and probably deluded.
Your definition of what makes a citizen via birth in the US flies in the face of the 14th amendment, Boots. Instead of claiming the law or the constitution says the things you say it does, why don't you take the five minutes to actually look this stuff up?
Where are the eligibility requirements for POTUS defined in the 14th amendment ?
You know you should kinda think just a bit before you type.
The constitution defines the requirements for POTUS, Obama can hold any title except POTUS. Real basic so how come the government isn't following rule of law ?
14th Amendment states that *anyone* born in the US is a US citizen, and as the person would be born within the boundaries of the US, that would be a natural born citizen, Boots.
Try to keep up and read all of my replies to you here.
Furthermore, if Obama can hold any title except for POTUS, then you are admitting to him being a citizen of the US, and as there was no nationalization process of Obama, that makes him a citizen by natural birth.
14th Amendment states that *anyone* born in the US is a US citizen - Correct NEED to prove your citizenship - LONG FORM to hold any political title except POTUS.
Obama is a dual citizen (Father was Kenyan) so where's the amendment to POTUS eligibility requirement ?
Natural Born is a TRUTH you either meet the requirement or you don't. Its not open to interpretation its not a grey area you either meet the requirement or you don't.
"Obama born on US Soil" - quoted from your post boots.
You already have admitted he was born on US soil. Your major claim is that his father was a Kenyan, and that disqualifies him.
Okay, looking through the statements of the people who wrote that part, here is something for you:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States." ~ Hamilton
"You already have admitted he was born on US soil"
No I didn't I stated to prove US citizenship you need to show your Long From to government.
Obama has a possibility of being a US Citizen with the long form shown. But WE know he's not eligible to hold office of POTUS because he is a dual citizen.
US government - proven to be corrupt
Obama no proof of citizenship (long form) - illegal immigrant
Obama not eligible for POTUS - So he's a spy or traitor depending on the paperwork.
Senate report - Bush lied about taking the US people into war, 5,000 patriots died for nothing, 1.4 million civilians died for nothing. That's is now a known fact...
Now buddy explain why the US dollar isn't hold its own against gold. (Proves counterfeiting of paper currency)
Obama not being eligible for POTUS is a symptom of bigger things going on. CORRUPTION
So, in other words... EVEN IF you had the long form in your hands AND believed it to be true, you assert that because his father was a Kenyan, he is still not a natural born citizen.
Re-Read post (along with the other continuing post) for a rebuttal to that, Boots. When we can lay that issue to rest, then I guess we can return back to this assertion you are now remaking that he was not born in the US.
"EVEN IF you had the long form in your hands AND believed it to be true, you assert that because his father was a Kenyan, he is still not a natural born citizen."
Bravo bubble head now you're talking, gee are all American taxpayers as intelligent as you are ?
Fuck man the US government turned Iraq into a parking lot under lies and you dumb fucks don't even blink an eye.
Then why are you so focused on the long form if it would not disprove your position?
No, we need to go back and define Natural Born Citizen, and I again assert that your definition is bogus, as it flies in the face of common definitions of the term and legal definitions of the term.
Hence, anyone born a citizen is a natural born citizen.
1857, the Dred Scott case - "The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth." ~ Justice Curtis
Try 1862's quote from Salmon Chase or the 14th amendment, or any other quote with legal standing you want. None of them support this wild assertion that a natural born citizen means anything other than being born a citizen.
"Try 1862's quote from Salmon Chase or the 14th amendment, or any other quote with legal standing you want. None of them support this wild assertion that a natural born citizen means anything other than being born a citizen."
So where's the POTUS eligibility requirements - US Constitution, unless you void the requirement or ignore the rule of law .Corruption The US government hasn't been following rule of law since 1913. Federal Reserve- illegal
Again. BOOTS. STAY ON POINT! Every time you change the subject, you are admitting defeat because you know if we stay on point, you will lose.
"So where's the POTUS requitements?" It is being a natural born citizen, among other things. And I have shown you the definitions of what it is to be a natural born citizen by the person who wrote the phrase, judges who interpreted the phrase, and lawyers whose job it is to read the constitution.
I don't need to stay on point (rule of law) but the US government sure does.
Question - How come the US government is counterfeiting paper money and allowing a Kenyan National in a position of power. Obama isn't eligible to hold office because he's a dual citizen. So's why is the US government fucking up their own country ?
No, you don't need to stay on point as a matter of law. However, by fleeing the debate of the facts, going back to the soundbites that started this whole discussion as if they have not already been discussed, you admit the weakness of your own position.
You are, in effect, going, "la-la-la-la... I can't hear you. Whatever you say don't matter because if I say my talking points enough times, it makes it true!"
You are the one claiming that natural born citizen does not include all people born in the US without a shred of evidence or reasoning to support the claim - a claim that is both laughable and flies in the face of the spirit of the 14th amendment, definitions of the term, and legal interpretations.
"I just spin the error?? Me??" Yea bubble head you ... 1) Long Form proves citizenship, signed, sealed witnessed Bubble Head - "Certficate of live birth" - Bull shit 2) US Constitution - rule of law POTUS requirements Bubble Head - 14th Amendment with no adjustment of POTUS requirements - bull shit 3) Obama's father is a Kenyan National Bubble Head - Not a big deal 4) USA is imploding with a Kenyan National in charge Bubble head - Not a big deal Bubble head spins Error
1 - Call the Oregon DMV and ask them. They will tell you that they accept it as PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. So, no. It is not a lie, and I have given you the means to verify my story.
2 - A senate resolution is not even law, much less consitutional law. Further, it is doesn't even support your position. You are making my point for me. Again, where in the constitution does it say a natural born citizen has to have two US citizens as parents? WHERE?
Oh, and you still have not responded to my assertions regarding what it means to be a natural born citizen and your assertion that people born to parents who are citizens of another country do not count.
"Oh, and you still have not responded to my assertions regarding what it means to be a natural born citizen and your assertion that people born to parents who are citizens of another country do not count."
The US constitution is rule of law which means Obama isn't eligible because he is a dual citizen.
At the very least Obama has to be born on US soil to meet half the truth of Natural Born.
That's why the corrupt government hasn't provided the long form looks like he's not born on US soil. LOL
How about you ask yourself if Hillary Clinton would have let this issue go, if there was any validity to it? In that heated primary, would she really let it go?
How about John McCain and Sarah Palin? Palin was out there talking about Obama "palling around with terrorists." Why didn't she bring this up if it were true? It would have solidified their win.
What does the Bilderberg meetings have anything to do with Obama - Fraud, Corruption you're the one that brought why Hillary didn't say anything.
"Obama's well-documented and verified birth in Hawaii?"
0 LEGAL DOCUMENT HAS BEEN PUT FORTH as proof, Obama is a Fraud so's the US government.
- That's a fuckin lie and you know it , the long form proves your citizenship. The US government won't Vet Obama because he's not eligible to be POTUS.
Look, boots. It is clear that nothing will disprove your ideas of how things would work. If the long form was produced, you would claim it was a forgery. If we got the doctor who did the delivery to say it happened, you would claim it was a sham.
You just believe what you want to believe in spite of the facts. It is called a delusion, boots.
Don't argue wth him. Logic and reason and rational, blindingly obvious proof and verified public birth certificates don't hold any water with nutjobs like Boots. Facts are their enemies. Just mark him spam and ignore him.
I understand. I have gone round and round with this particular "nutjob" before on this very issue. I continue in the hopes that one day he will realize that he has no rational leg to stand on and all of his ideas on this issue are bogus.
"Like which ones bubble head or do you do all the thinking around here for the taxpayers."
No, Boots. I do not do all the thinking. There are plenty of other taxpayers out there thinking - even you. You just happen to be not thinking critically, or you would realize the weakness of your position on this birther nonsense and stop regurgitating it at every stop. After all, it makes all your other points weaker.
Oh, and which ones? Go back and read my posts for the list.
"Oh, and which ones? Go back and read my posts for the list."
Keep it simple bubble head how does a citizen prove citizenship to the government ? I'm just talking when government demands to know who you say you are.
That's why BILLIONS have been spent on vital stats.
A long form proves your citizenship to government, I HAD to go through the red tape I know. I'm not ignorant on the subject. It cost me $100 and time to prove to corrupt government that I wasn't lying about my heritage.
Okay. We will keep it simple then. I was born in Hawaii, and I lost by birth certificate. I filed to get a new one, and what did I get? A certificate of live birth just like the one Obama has posted for all to see. It cost me money to get it, and it is the policy of Hawaii to send those as opposed to the "long form." I took it to my DMV in Oregon to prove my citizenship, my birth in the country, and it worked for the state.
You just refuse to accept that which any other state would.
"It cost me money to get it, and it is the policy of Hawaii to send those as opposed to the "long form." I took it to my DMV in Oregon to prove my citizenship"
Does Hawaii state corrupt officials who's bull shit administration of paper work supersede the US constitution. Maybe you should check out island girl's bank account to see if she got a large deposit of funny money lately.
Island girl is so full of it, so's the federal government.
5,000 Patriots died for nothing GWya is still a free man
Got any evidence to support your claim that Hawaii was paid off? Further, do you realize the number of people who would have to be involved to perpetuate the conspiracy you claim? Newspapers, goverment officials, government workers, and so on... AND NONE OF THEM saying a damn thing to the press about it - something that would be the scoop of the century.
Well here's the facts jack the US dollar is about to be toilet paper, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are based on 911 attacks that are now proven to be false flag attacks US government is lying to their people and you have an ineligible POTUS in power.
I know how this debacle ends like a Shakespearian tragedy
Boots, if you are going to debate anything honestly, at least keep people's comments in context. I have told you the story of my certificate of live birth multiple times. I have not told you "how to think." I have only told you the facts of reality regarding this issue and how wrong you are about it.
You continue to want to change the subject and now want to put words in my mouth. That's who one debates dishonestly.
" I have told you the story of my certificate of live birth multiple times"
Does your story matter ? Or the story on why Obama isn't a legit leader. Look at the USA its imploding buddy maybe not for you but there's some estimates of 33% unemployment. Your society is imploding the government doesn't care I say the Kenyan National is doing more harm than good. No long form is ridiculous and you know it eh government employee ?
Yea I'm a real nutjob for pointing out the US dollar is worthless paper and you have an illegal POTUS in power because the US government doesn't care if taxpayers live or die.
I put it in quotation marks for a reason, boots. It was the term used by the person I was responding to.
However, not once in this discussion have I attacked your positions about the dollar or the government not caring if "the taxpayers live or die." (Though, that is not to say I agree with those assertions either) I have focused entirely on the issue of the president being a natural born citizen, something you seem to want to throw out there as being untrue and when confronted with facts, run.
"something you seem to want to throw out there as being untrue and when confronted with facts, run."
Well bubble head how to you prove your heritage to government. Have you ever gone through the process yourself. I have I'm not ignorant on the subject, I'm not running from anything.
If I have to prove my citizenship to government surely the POTUS has to prove his citizenship to the people he's leading. What has me concerned that no one in government is demanding Obama show his long form.
I have gone through the process, "bubble head." You have been told this every time I have confronted you on this issue, as I was actually born in Hawaii and so am extremely familiar with the process of having to get proof of my birth from the state. I filed and got a certificate of live birth and it proved my "heritage to the government."
Have you ever had to prove your citizenship to a foreign government ? To claim birth right privilege ?
That's where the long form comes in , it proves with out a doubt (can be faked but boy ya better be careful you might find yourself in trouble with law if you put forth an illegal document).
Long Form birth certificate wouldn't be necessary but unfortunately with Obama his birth place is in dispute (father wasn't a US citizen) the long form would clear that mis-understanding up.
Obama does not have to prove his citizenship to a foreign government. This is Obama proving his US citizenship to the US government. Furthermore, there are plenty of US citizens born every day from the parents of non-citizens. So the fact that his father was Kenyan does not raise doubts of his birth location.
"Obama does not have to prove his citizenship to a foreign government."
You bet he has to prove his citizenship to the taxpayers on demand especially the ones living in tents and living off food stamps.
"Furthermore, there are plenty of US citizens born every day from the parents of non-citizens."
Yea what was I thinking its great having a dual citizen in charge of the country, look how much change and progress there has been with the Kenyan National in power.
"emperorcunt"? Oh, dear. Someone thinks that if they start slinging crude insults that it makes their position stronger, and further, that by bringing up red herring issues, that it defends the issue at hand.
Boots, you might want to take a break. Your position is falling apart beneath your feet.
True. I am. Boots won't concede, and I won't let his points go unanswered. As long as he continues this bogus claim, I'll continue to challenge him. But I am glad you are laughing at it. I know I have been laughing at Boots attempts of circular logic and so forth time and time again.
Interesting post. l
aseohosting 5 months ago
Barack Obama is the last and worst evil tyrant this world will ever see.....the death!
Martial law will be declared in 2010, holocaust will proceed.....a desolation
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
Let me guess. Home schooled?
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago
No, Bible prophecy schooled.....
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
By whom?
Anybody specific? Where did you get these ideas?
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago
See my channel.
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
at home....the father beats the bible into him :(
AfroNinjaX 2 years ago
@SuperboyXX0018 just stop that and read the rest
sala19843714 1 year ago
You have an issue with home schooling? You realize the only thing schools offer are (a) a program format, and (b) socialization. I wasn't home schooled, but after paying my way through college it didn't take me long to realize everything I learned there, I could have learned on my own at home. The books aren't exclusive, nor is the information... you gain only those aforementioned conveniences. Point is, home schooling is a valid option if you can organize material and have discipline.
njcarlos1 2 years ago
@SuperboyXX0018 U are so right ......... SAY IT LOUD
buskee345 2 years ago
@SuperboyXX0018 wow for real you see him like that damn, i felt the same as for bush look where he got us at =( well i hope obama is not what you say he is, if is true we all Fuck lol
Joerated4life 2 years ago
Its true, and yes we're toast, all Americans who are still in this country when martial law hits.
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
The public is PISSED about the republicans being excluded from EVERY SINGLE major legistative meeting where legislation is being formed. Then Democrates open up the locked doors and have these multi million dollar BRIBES for votes. No C-Span... no transparency at all. Obama is a liar and a fraud. Proof? A YEAR of SELLING his ideas to america. They don't want them. But, no... PROGRESSIVES are going to do them ANYWAY, because THEY know better... IT'S CALLED TYRRANY.......
laughingtiger123 2 years ago 2
@laughingtiger123
"The public is PISSED about the republicans being excluded"
Heheh! The public may hate the Democrats, but I seriously doubt anybody other than Republicans are feeling sorry for Republicans right now.
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago 2
It's funny how lefites and "progressives" <joke are always HIDING what they believe from the voting public and conservatives are always trying to get their message out. What you are seeing is the public is just beginning to see what Obama, Reid, Pelosi are about and it scares the crap out of them. 78% of people who have health insurance don't want an overhaul by the government who will do what they always have done... Postal Service, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Medicare, Social Security. STEAL.
laughingtiger123 2 years ago
@laughingtiger123
"78% of people who have health insurance don't want an overhaul"
Source?
Preferably a source other than Rasmussen, which is just a push-polling agency in between elections, as Andrew Sullivan pointed out.
andrewsullivan. theatlantic. com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/rasmussen-vs-the-rest. html
TrollBuster9090 2 years ago
I love my president.
rclguard 2 years ago
Here's the lesson to learn from the MA Senate race: Don't betray your Progressive roots Mr. President. The answer isn't to surrender to right-wing propaganda but to get back to the Progressive platform you were elected on.
And wingnuts you can't have it both ways. On one hand he's an activist and socialist trying to destroy the economy and the nation. But on the other hand he's a passive, do-nothing President who hasn't addressed the economy enough. Make up your mind wingnuts!
route99 2 years ago
Yea, you hit a buzz saw last week and it was great!
You have many more buzz saws to look forward to and that's a good thing as well!
The November elections will be more like a wood chipper for the remains of your Presidency!
Minuteman9112012 2 years ago
END OBAMACARE...END THE FED....Ron Paul for President 2012....Peter Schiff for Senate 2010!!!
petiemac12 2 years ago
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crowswingswillfall 2 years ago
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crowswingswillfall 2 years ago
0:16 he picks his nose hehe
FunnyPokemonFan 2 years ago
I'm really sick of hearing this guy say nothing.
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago 2
Aaa, this administration is the one using scare tactics, are they not?
How about we cut the rhetorical bullcrap for a couple of months, Mr. President?
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago
OUT. OF. TOUCH. Get in the game Barack! FIGHT GODDAMMIT!!
WadeBlazingame34 2 years ago
Boots920: Obama just averted a major financial catastrophy, which Bush brought about. Talk about propaganda!!! Get real!!!
vallejoelgrande 2 years ago 2
George Bush is a war criminal just the same as LBJ and Nixon were.
What's Barry doing about the war criminal - nothing right more hot air.
Senate Report - Bush lied to the American people taking them to war in Iraq. 5,000 patriots, 1.4 million civilians died for nothing.
Where's the outrage you American idiots are dumber than a sack of hammers.
boots920 2 years ago
I'm not all in a tizzy, but I sure am all wee-wee'd up and I certainly feel stimulated.
MueX 2 years ago
Sounds like Obama just may have had a private "Let Bartlet Be Bartlet" moment between the Mass. election and this speech :D
Thank god!
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
2 words:
Budget Reconciliation
FDASARO 2 years ago 2
2 words
Kenyan National
boots920 2 years ago
2 words:
Dishonest Claim
balanceseeker 2 years ago
1 word Deception
Obama ignores the War Criminal George Bush and sends 30,000 Patriots to their death.
The Kenyan National doesn't care if the patriots live or die.
Because he's a dual citizen like Hilter, he didn't care either.
All war is based on deception.
Sun Tzu
boots920 2 years ago
Again, irrelevant boots. You love using red herrings to avoid being cornered - a wonderful way to try to SPIN the issue, but it will not work today. You are just trying to avoid responsibility for the claim you made.
The fact you threw in a Hitler reference only further makes my point about who is spinning this issue - namely you.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Obama can't prove himself a US citizen (no long form)
Obama isn't eligible to hold office because his father was a Kenyan National.
Result more war and more economic chaos. Great...
boots920 2 years ago
I see. When all your ideas are refuted, run back and reiterate the same points again as if saying them again will make the points valid.
Wrong. Try again boots.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
The TRUTH stands alone bubble head you can't spin the truth.
1 st Truth Obama with no long form can't prove he's a US citizen and if somebody says a short form is proof they're lying.
2 nd Truth Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS the government doesn't care that there's an ineligible POTUS in power.
I can only describe the error there's no fix especially with the central bank counterfeiting money.
Price of gold proves that observation , taxpayers will die nothing new with history.
boots920 2 years ago
"Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS."
Assertion without evidence, Boots.
On what grounds? Well, according to you, because his father was a Kenyan.
Why does that disqualify him? According to you, because no one with a Kenyan parent can be a natural born citizen.
Where does that come from? No one knows and repeated attempts at finding out from you have led to attempts by you at avoiding the question - only signifying you are pulling it out of your rear.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Wrong. Try again boots"
Tell that to the people living off food stamps and living in tents asshole. George Bush has just been proven a lier when he took his country to war, not what are you going to do spin the end of USA with the Kenyan National in charge what an asshole.
boots920 2 years ago
An appeal to sympathy and a red herring, Boots.
Can you support your position or not? OR is it that all your ideas have been refuted so completely that all you have are rhetorical devices that signify you are out of material?
balanceseeker 2 years ago
An appeal to sympathy , no its reality bubble head how come there's taxpayers living in tents and millions of taxpayers are losing their homes.
One problem you have a Kenyan National running the country into the ground and continuing unfunded fake wars in the sandbox.
George Bush is a known war criminal what's Barry doing about it . His response it to continue the war
Fact is asshole you like the US imploding , you like having a Kenyan National running the joint into the ground.
boots920 2 years ago
It is an appeal to sympathy. Look up the term, Boots.
Calling me a bubble head and an asshole - ad hominem attack.
Bringing up unrelated information that doesn't pertain to your baseless claim that having a Kenyan father disqualifies one from being President - Red Herring.
Saying I like the US imploding - straw man & ad hominem.
Can you support your definition or not, Boots? Which is it? Is it you pulled it out of your rear or do you have something to back your position up? Come on. Fess up.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Um, name-calling isn't ad hominem. It's just name-calling. Oh, and not all ad hominem is invalid. Ad hominem is when is you try to discredit someone based on some kind of association. Some are valid, like not wanting pedophiles working in day cares, and some are not, like saying black people will always vote Democrat.
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago
There are multiple versions of ad hominem attacks, Thisisnotmyrealname.
Google: critical thinking information center, go to student edition, chapter 6.
Name calling falls under personal attacks, which is an attempt to discredit my arguments based on the labels he wishes to saddle me with, right or wrong. Regardless of if you agree they are ad hominem attacks or just name-calling, however, they are still stupid, petty, and only show the weakness of his position.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
You're right. It's just that pointing out ad hominem so strictly on youtube seems a little erroneous. Someone calls you an expletive expletive, and you reply something to the effect of, "Sir, you have violated the integrity of our civil debate", it just doesn't mesh. Someone calls you a "bobblehead" obviously it's ad hominem, but they are really just trying to evoke emotion, not trying to persuade anyone. So, I say name-calling.
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago
@Thisisnotmyrealname8
Normally, I would not have even bothered, but once I cornered boots in the debate and tried to force him to back up his claims, he became evasive, resorting to a number of rhetorical devices to try to weasel out of having to back up his ridiculous assertions.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"It is an appeal to sympathy. Look up the term, Boots"
- no its reality bubble head how come taxpayers are living in tents in one of the richest countries in the world ?
"baseless claim that having a Kenyan father disqualifies one from being President - Red Herring."
-I quote law from the US constitution buddy likes that there's a dual citizen in power. (Natural Born is a truth you can't define a truth because its not a grey area)
He doesn't say anything about Obama protecting a war criminal.
boots920 2 years ago
For the umpteenth time, where do you get the idea that natural born prohibits someone with a Kenyan father? If you say it is in the constitution, where does that passage exist? If it is in the law books, where? Or is it that no such proof exists and you are just making it up as you go?
At this point, after hours of asking you to supply evidence that your definition of natural born citizen is correct, if the next post you make doesn't back up your claim, you are admitting you have nothing.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"For the umpteenth time, where do you get the idea that natural born prohibits someone with a Kenyan father?"
US Constitution - POTUS eligibility requirements , US citizen is sunset then only natural born. Read you can read can't you.
Now if you say Natural born means born on US soil only, then Obama needs to show a long form to prove that at the very least.
Right now I don't believe Obama is a legal immigrant total fraud.
boots920 2 years ago
That settles it, Boots. You do have nothing to support your claim that an individual born on US soil with a Kenyan father is not a natural born citizen.
"You can read, can't you?" Yes, I can and have. Nowhere in the constitution or current law is there a definition for natural born citizen similar to what you suggest. You won't quote the constitution, because you know it isn't there.
You truly have nothing and know it.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Bullshit Obama hasn't proven his citizenship no long form.
Article II Sec1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at Adoption of this Constituiton, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
1) Obama is a dual citizen ineligible
2) If you define Natural Born as a US citizen born on US soil then Barry has to show proof of hospital , mother's residence , witnessed, sealed its called a long form birth certificate
What do have have , citizen has been sunset.
boots920 2 years ago
Boots,
1) Prove it! You continue to claim dual citizens are ineligible to be natural born citizens. Prove it!
2) If you can't even agree on with the rest of the world in defining "natural born citizen," then the long form is irrelevant to you. You have already declared Obama ineligible in spite of the facts. Any evidence to the contrary is pointless, because you will refuse to see reality.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
1) Prove it! You continue to claim dual citizens are ineligible to be natural born citizens. Prove it!
Prove Obama is even a US citizen you know Prove it ?
boots920 2 years ago
ur out of your damn mind
get a grip srsly
thegreatestbak 2 years ago
Oh, and a bit more on point two...
If you do wish to now concede that his father being a Kenyan does not prohibit him from being President and that all that needs to be proven is that he was born on US soil, then I go back to my own personal experience with the certificate of live birth.
If it was good enough for the government to prove my citizenship due to my birth in Hawaii, why isn't it good enough for you?
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"If it was good enough for the government to prove my citizenship due to my birth in Hawaii, why isn't it good enough for you?"
Because you're not the POTUS dip shit, Obama is sending more troops to an unfunded war for no reason. No long form taxpayers shouldn't have to point out the obvious and educate the masses on what citizenship is. Short form does not prove citizenship that's a fact.
- 911 proven false flag
- Bush lied to the American people
boots920 2 years ago
First, calling me a dip shit doesn't make your position any more solid. In fact, it is the retort of a person with nothing to say.
Second, citizenship is citizenship. You either are or you are not. So, if my certificate proves my citizenship, then it proves his as well. As per the constitution, there is equal protection under the law. That means that the same standards of proof apply to me as apply to him.
Third, "short form" DOES prove citizenship, because it proved it for me!
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"So, if my certificate proves my citizenship"
That's the problem the short form doesn't prove you born on US soil. Only the long form has hospital, doctor sealed.
Obama is a Fraud...the US people are dumber than a sack of hammers.
Notice dip shit keeps saying the short form is proof of citizenship that's a lie, I know I had to prove my CITIZENSHIP to government with a long form the short form wasn't adequate.
You ASS U ME Obama born on US soil that hasn't been proven.
boots920 2 years ago
A lie?
I told you. Call Oregon DMV. Ask them what they accept as proof of citizenship, if they would accept a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. They will verify my story. The fact you will not make the call means you are afraid that it will turn out that they do indeed accept it, Boots.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Ask them what they accept as proof of citizenship,"
Proof of ID not citizenship why do you think the legal long form exists ?
Right now you don't know if Obama is born on US soil that's a fact. You don't even know for sure if his mother was American. (all on the long form)
boots920 2 years ago
You ASS
MadDogOfist 2 years ago
loony
thegreatestbak 2 years ago
Oh, and as you are back to talking about proof of his birth in Hawaii, I assume you are conceding that if proven he was born in Hawaii that he would be a natural born citizen. If not, for the last time, give me the evidence that says he would not be.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Don't you get it already boots?
No matter what grounds you attempt to stand on with this claim of ineligibility, it takes nothing for me to refute you immediately.
It is a bogus issue. Stick to ones that actually have at least *some* basis in fact. This one just makes you look like a fool. Honest.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"You truly have nothing and know it"
That's right Obama has nothing to prove he was born on US soil. The long form is a formality if Obama was born on US soil it would have been shown many moons ago.
There're wouldn't be multiple unreported on main stream court cases going on. (Censorship ridiculous)
All symptoms of a country imploding due to corruption.
It makes the USA look like a Banana Republic - proven.
Bush lied dude you idiots have been fighting for nothing.
boots920 2 years ago
That's right?
Well, I'm glad we agree that you have nothing, boots. Now that we have that agreed upon, I think we can all go home and relax knowing that you admit your position is completely unfounded.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"position is completely unfounded" US dollar is about to become worthless GLOBALLY
The Continental Dollar USA's first fiat currency (it was supposed to be hard currency but the British counterfeited it into oblivion.)
US Constitution Art1 Sec10
No State Shall
1) emit bills of credit (Federal Reserve Note)
2) make anyThing but gold and silver coin a Tender in payment of debts
1971- US dollar International Fraud , Racketeering
1913- central bank is illegal so 's the US dollar
Obama is a PUPPET !
boots920 2 years ago
All of those points are red herrings. You are doing it again, boots - changing the subject because you can't support your own position.
Just finally give up on the birther stuff and stick with the these other points. At least those have more foundations than the birther crap.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"All of those points are red herrings. You are doing it again, boots - changing the subject because you can't support your own position."
Since when is the truth crap that's a red herring.
Short form good for ID only
Long form good for ID and Citizenship eh buddy I know I had to go through the process myself.
boots920 2 years ago
Wrong again, Boots.
1) I had to prove my citizenship to get my driver's license and used the "short form" to do it. Further, I have told you to call the Oregon DMV to verify this. If you had, you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense.
2) On the passport application, which I might add will also prove citizenship, they will accept any notarized birth certificate as proof of birth within the country, and that "short form" qualifies.
Oh, and I see you dropped that dual-citizenship nonsense as well.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
One thing that I CANNOT get over is that Pres. Obama repeatedly claims that you can't disagree with health-care reform unless you're a greedy bastard or an idiot.
Nelchadri 2 years ago
A lib a liar?? Still don't see how people who voted for him in 2008 actually thought he was telling the truth, baffles me. I know why the blacks voted for him and the libs, but not the independents. He said "Change" but we all know that nothing will change, lmfao, he'll just make it worse if he could actually get anything done. (which he can't) Bush got shit done with FAR less support in the senate, Libs can't do shit even with super-majority. They are a laughable group of "people".
incidentalist 2 years ago
YOU are the one that embraced the special interests mr. president. you are losing all credibility in the polls and with public trust because you sir...are a liar.
rocketman6464 2 years ago
Did you climate change fools see the new false numbers that just came out? Keep on believing the hoax. Dumbass.
ahoov123 2 years ago
He just doesn't get it. The democrats shouldn't be "laughing it up." They've disenchanted their entire base by moving too far to the right with this weak bill, and now they're moving MORE to the right after the Senate ad.
JobDDT 2 years ago
i like the way obama is talking to these people. He has that down to earth tone and the "I don't really care what washington thinks" kind of quality. It's kind of refreshing
robbyg74 2 years ago 2
They had 38 hours to read a 2,500 page bill. and he has the audacity to say that it takes too long. Bush was no better there was only 45 minutes to read the Patriot act before it was voted on. We should burn Washington and start over.
MadMatt105 2 years ago
The problem isn't our president or the whitehouse... it's congress and the money that buys them off..
If we want this country to represent it's people instead of it's money.. then we need to get rid of privet campaign funding.
Solution..
Public funding.. for Public representation
Have each qualified politician run with his own money as well as a set amount of public funds.
2bRealist 2 years ago
She deserved to lose because she did not even bother to campaign. She was arrogant about it, "What do you all expect-me stand out in the cold and shake hands?" That's what Brown did. She EXPECTED to win without campaigning. Good-she lost. She deserved to lose.
WinterHaven 2 years ago
They should have sent Al Gore to Massachusetts instead of Obama. At least Al would have found proof of climate change without fixing the data!
usrevolution2 2 years ago
what data have Obama faltered in regards to climate change?
Falsare 2 years ago
@Falsare I was making a joke . . . get it?
usrevolution2 2 years ago
It would help if Obama could prove himself to be a US citizen.
boots920 2 years ago
LOL
Ovularity 2 years ago
He talks about special interests but who's the one that had to bribe senators. Benedict Nelson is done in Nebraska because he took that bribe. How is it that most of the country doesn't want this and he still says that we do? This guy is a bumbling buffoon and worthless.
ahoov123 2 years ago
16% OF YOUR gdp!
thats the cost of your CURRENT health care system.
but your are right, you dont need reform. STay Strong!
Falsare 2 years ago 2
So what's your point? Enlighten me.
ahoov123 2 years ago
Wow... for some reason that renewed my confidence in Obama. I was about to give up hope in the guy. I'm sure he'll live up to my expectations in 2010.
RoseSkye 2 years ago 3
Good to see that the president has not given up. It's easy to get discouraged by the exaggerations in the media.
oldtownkid 2 years ago 4
It is so nice to see all the nice things about our President on this comment board !
zibbadow 2 years ago 4
Nice to hear some confidence amidst all the panic.
synival 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
When he speaks like this I have hope, when he does some actions I'm right back into despair.
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
@PersonalJesus348
what do you mean when he acts you go into despair??.. the laws being passed... or NOT being passed.. has little to do with Obama's actions.. and more to do with CONGRESS.. so if you have any despair... focus any frustrations from it at congress... mainly republicans who obviously ALL been bought off by special interest
2bRealist 2 years ago
He as commander-in-chief can order the troops home. Guantanamo after a year is not closed. All his current legislating meetings he's had are not only in secret but with corporate democrats or insurance companies. And he wonders why it hasn't passed.
I'm confident if Obama does what he said he would he'll be successful. But he does the opposite.
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
"I'm confident if Obama does what he said he would he'll be successful. But he does the opposite."
That's because he's a dual citizen and gives a rat's ass what happens to his country.
50 billion for a failed car company, sending not enough troops to secure Afghanistan all symptoms of something smells like Obama gives a rat's ass. NOT subversion.
Like George Bush should be on trial for murder of 5,000 Patriots. Where's Barry on that issue...he can't even talk with out a prompter. PUPPET
boots920 2 years ago
Senate Report Conclusion Bush lied about taking the American people to war.
5,000 Patriots and 1.4 Iraqi civilians died for nothing
History Repeats
Nixon gets caught bombing Cambodia in secret so he becomes a known war criminal
That's the problem the people in power ignore the obvious like seriously Obama can't even prove he's a US citizen with no long form. Get back into despair immediately nothing is going to change.
boots920 2 years ago
Aside from the US citizen stuff that's the most sense you've made. They grow up so fast *tear*
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
"Aside from the US citizen stuff"
When I had to prove citizenship to the government is was long form or nothing for a work visa overseas.
Obama not showing a long form with his father being a Kenyan National is the most deceptive, ridiculous , corrupt action I 've ever seen a government commit.
No rule of law means the globe's toast...take a good look at Haiti that's why they have in store for the peasants.
boots920 2 years ago
And when I had to prove my citizenship, the certificate of live birth I got from Hawaii was enough for the state - had lost my original birth certificate.
So, please boots.. knock it off. It is utterly bogus crap that makes your other points look insane. I've debunked you so many times on this point, I lost count. And yet, you dishonestly continue this ridiculous birther nonsense.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
You no big deal , POTUS that can't prove his citizenship a big deal Nothing has been debunked !
WHY? Its not normal having a POTUS that can't prove himself a US Citizen
Dual Citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per US constitution.
Now you have a private bank counterfeiting currency with a mystery citizen POTUS , not good if you expect the government running the puppet show to be endeavoring to stabilize the economy.
No war taxes in 8 years looks like the US dollar is toast, so's the country.
boots920 2 years ago
Nothing has been debunked and then you state "Dual Citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per US constitution."
Ummm, okay. Not to state Obama is a dual citizen, but I want to know what twist of the words of the constitution do you have now to support this gem.
Furthermore, again, if my certificate of live birth is good enough for the state, why is it not good enough for you? Are you saying that I can't prove my citizenship? A US Vet who was deployed to a war zone???
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"but I want to know what twist of the words of the constitution do you have now to support this gem"
Natural Born as per Law of Nations 1758
Natural Born born on US soil with BOTH parents US citizens, Obama is born on US soil (maybe no long form) but you know for sure his father was a Kenyan Citizen
Dual citizens aren't eligible to be POTUS as per rule of law.
My short form was not good enough for government to prove citizenship, Red Tape Sucks ass..
Were you parents both US citizens?
boots920 2 years ago
Oh dear. "Law of Nations, 1758"? It's not a law. It is a two volume book. Look it up: Online Library of Liberty, Law of Nations, 1758.
Furthermore, the Law of Nations is not the US Constitution.
And according to the first sentence in the 14th Amendment, my parents do not need to be citizens of the US for me to be a naturally born citizen. "All persons born or naturalized in the US ... are citizens of the US and the states wherein they reside."
balanceseeker 2 years ago
By admitting Obama was born on US soil, you just debunked yourself, Boots.
Just give up. The facts and the law are not on your side on this issue.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
the Law of Nations is not the US Constitution - exactly
The founding fathers used the definition of "Natural Born" from the Law of Nations and put it into law. (US Constitution)
Natural Born as per Founding Fathers intention as proven in POTUS eligibility requirements. "Citizen is sunset so founding fathers can be POTUS then only :
NATURAL BORN - Born on US soil as a US citizen
(Both parents needs to be US citizens)
OBAMA
1) - no long form can't prove US citizenship
2) - Father was Kenyan
boots920 2 years ago
Now ask yourself why the Democratic party didn't vet buddy properly (checked out his background) before they put him forth as a candidate. Corruption It doesn't make sense having a dual citizen in power he's destroying the country right before your eyes. The US people should be right pissed off but they do nothing about it. No main stream media coverage on the court cases on Obama's disputed citizenship. People should be outraged but I guess football is more important than their country.
boots920 2 years ago
"It doesn't make sense having a dual citizen in power"
Well when you make up things in your own head of course it's not going to make sense. You're not worth a serious counter-argument. You're a certifiable moron and probably deluded.
pokermaster54 2 years ago
"Well when you make up things in your own head of course it's not going to make sense."
Obama's mother American
Obama's father Kenyan (non us citizen)
Ya see hamster I'm not making it up, when are you fuckers going to wake up ? Just asking ?
boots920 2 years ago
Your definition of what makes a citizen via birth in the US flies in the face of the 14th amendment, Boots. Instead of claiming the law or the constitution says the things you say it does, why don't you take the five minutes to actually look this stuff up?
balanceseeker 2 years ago
" US flies in the face of the 14th amendment"
Where are the eligibility requirements for POTUS defined in the 14th amendment ?
You know you should kinda think just a bit before you type.
The constitution defines the requirements for POTUS, Obama can hold any title except POTUS. Real basic so how come the government isn't following rule of law ?
boots920 2 years ago
14th Amendment states that *anyone* born in the US is a US citizen, and as the person would be born within the boundaries of the US, that would be a natural born citizen, Boots.
Try to keep up and read all of my replies to you here.
Furthermore, if Obama can hold any title except for POTUS, then you are admitting to him being a citizen of the US, and as there was no nationalization process of Obama, that makes him a citizen by natural birth.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
14th Amendment states that *anyone* born in the US is a US citizen - Correct NEED to prove your citizenship - LONG FORM to hold any political title except POTUS.
Obama is a dual citizen (Father was Kenyan) so where's the amendment to POTUS eligibility requirement ?
Natural Born is a TRUTH you either meet the requirement or you don't. Its not open to interpretation its not a grey area you either meet the requirement or you don't.
Obama doesn't - Fraud, US GOVERNMENT - CORRUPTION
boots920 2 years ago
"Obama born on US Soil" - quoted from your post boots.
You already have admitted he was born on US soil. Your major claim is that his father was a Kenyan, and that disqualifies him.
Okay, looking through the statements of the people who wrote that part, here is something for you:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States." ~ Hamilton
(cont.)
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"You already have admitted he was born on US soil"
No I didn't I stated to prove US citizenship you need to show your Long From to government.
Obama has a possibility of being a US Citizen with the long form shown. But WE know he's not eligible to hold office of POTUS because he is a dual citizen.
US government - proven to be corrupt
Obama no proof of citizenship (long form) - illegal immigrant
Obama not eligible for POTUS - So he's a spy or traitor depending on the paperwork.
boots920 2 years ago
@boots920
You're fucking nuts and retarded.
Gurthick 2 years ago 2
@ Gurthick
Senate report - Bush lied about taking the US people into war, 5,000 patriots died for nothing, 1.4 million civilians died for nothing. That's is now a known fact...
Now buddy explain why the US dollar isn't hold its own against gold. (Proves counterfeiting of paper currency)
Obama not being eligible for POTUS is a symptom of bigger things going on. CORRUPTION
boots920 2 years ago
So, in other words... EVEN IF you had the long form in your hands AND believed it to be true, you assert that because his father was a Kenyan, he is still not a natural born citizen.
Re-Read post (along with the other continuing post) for a rebuttal to that, Boots. When we can lay that issue to rest, then I guess we can return back to this assertion you are now remaking that he was not born in the US.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"EVEN IF you had the long form in your hands AND believed it to be true, you assert that because his father was a Kenyan, he is still not a natural born citizen."
Bravo bubble head now you're talking, gee are all American taxpayers as intelligent as you are ?
Fuck man the US government turned Iraq into a parking lot under lies and you dumb fucks don't even blink an eye.
Hamsters we can depend on to do nothing...
boots920 2 years ago
Then why are you so focused on the long form if it would not disprove your position?
No, we need to go back and define Natural Born Citizen, and I again assert that your definition is bogus, as it flies in the face of common definitions of the term and legal definitions of the term.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
(cont.)
Hence, anyone born a citizen is a natural born citizen.
1857, the Dred Scott case - "The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth." ~ Justice Curtis
Try 1862's quote from Salmon Chase or the 14th amendment, or any other quote with legal standing you want. None of them support this wild assertion that a natural born citizen means anything other than being born a citizen.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Try 1862's quote from Salmon Chase or the 14th amendment, or any other quote with legal standing you want. None of them support this wild assertion that a natural born citizen means anything other than being born a citizen."
So where's the POTUS eligibility requirements - US Constitution, unless you void the requirement or ignore the rule of law .Corruption The US government hasn't been following rule of law since 1913. Federal Reserve- illegal
bank.
Result USA imploding as planned subversion
boots920 2 years ago
Again. BOOTS. STAY ON POINT! Every time you change the subject, you are admitting defeat because you know if we stay on point, you will lose.
"So where's the POTUS requitements?" It is being a natural born citizen, among other things. And I have shown you the definitions of what it is to be a natural born citizen by the person who wrote the phrase, judges who interpreted the phrase, and lawyers whose job it is to read the constitution.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"BOOTS. STAY ON POINT!"
I don't need to stay on point (rule of law) but the US government sure does.
Question - How come the US government is counterfeiting paper money and allowing a Kenyan National in a position of power. Obama isn't eligible to hold office because he's a dual citizen. So's why is the US government fucking up their own country ?
US dollar - illegal since 1971
boots920 2 years ago
Show us YOUR birth certificate!
HaloedG 2 years ago
Show us YOUR birth certificate! - Bingo exactly hamster that's what I was ORDERED to do to prove my citizenship the corrupt government fucks.
That's why I know the short form doesn't prove citizenship. That's why I know OBAMA IS A FRAUD
If I didn't go through the process myself I wouldn't have known the short form doesn't prove citizenship.
The government is in ERROR promoting an ineligible , illegal immigrant as POTUS. - Corruption proven the US government gives a rat's ass.
boots920 2 years ago
No, you don't need to stay on point as a matter of law. However, by fleeing the debate of the facts, going back to the soundbites that started this whole discussion as if they have not already been discussed, you admit the weakness of your own position.
You are, in effect, going, "la-la-la-la... I can't hear you. Whatever you say don't matter because if I say my talking points enough times, it makes it true!"
balanceseeker 2 years ago
However, by fleeing the debate of the facts,
- US CONSTITUTION - RULE OF LAW
going back to the soundbites that started this whole discussion - buddy is spinning the rule of law
You are, in effect, going, "la-la-la-la... I can't hear you
- no I'm not its absolutely ridiculous have a Kenyan National in power when the US government doesn't even know why they're at war.
Whatever you say don't matter because
- I'm saying the US Constitution supersedes all the bull shit.
You just spin the error.
boots920 2 years ago
I just spin the error?? Me??
You are the one claiming that natural born citizen does not include all people born in the US without a shred of evidence or reasoning to support the claim - a claim that is both laughable and flies in the face of the spirit of the 14th amendment, definitions of the term, and legal interpretations.
So, who again is spinning what?
balanceseeker 2 years ago
boots920 2 years ago
I think it is amusing you are reduced to using ad hominem attacks like "bubble head" against me. That's really rich.
1) Certificate of live birth did prove my citizenship, but it doesn't matter in this debate as per your faux definition - see #2.
2) Where in the constitution does it say that a natural born citizen cannot have had a father from another country?
3) You are right. No big deal - see #2.
4) Immaterial to the issue and a red herring.
So again, it is you who is spinning this, not me.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
1) Certificate of live birth did prove my citizenship
- that's a lie only long form proves citizenship
- short form is only good to prove for ID not citizenship
2) POTUS eligibility requirements - Natural Born see how the government spun up McCain Sen Res 511 spin of Error
The reasons for USA imploding is a big deal if you want civilization to continue. Billions of people living in misery is a weapon of mass subversion.
boots920 2 years ago
1 - Call the Oregon DMV and ask them. They will tell you that they accept it as PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. So, no. It is not a lie, and I have given you the means to verify my story.
2 - A senate resolution is not even law, much less consitutional law. Further, it is doesn't even support your position. You are making my point for me. Again, where in the constitution does it say a natural born citizen has to have two US citizens as parents? WHERE?
I'll help you out. It doesn't. And you know it.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Oh, and you still have not responded to my assertions regarding what it means to be a natural born citizen and your assertion that people born to parents who are citizens of another country do not count.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Oh, and you still have not responded to my assertions regarding what it means to be a natural born citizen and your assertion that people born to parents who are citizens of another country do not count."
The US constitution is rule of law which means Obama isn't eligible because he is a dual citizen.
At the very least Obama has to be born on US soil to meet half the truth of Natural Born.
That's why the corrupt government hasn't provided the long form looks like he's not born on US soil. LOL
boots920 2 years ago
How about you ask yourself if Hillary Clinton would have let this issue go, if there was any validity to it? In that heated primary, would she really let it go?
How about John McCain and Sarah Palin? Palin was out there talking about Obama "palling around with terrorists." Why didn't she bring this up if it were true? It would have solidified their win.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Red Herring we're talking about the Kenyan National here, but while you're asking.
Hillary Clinton attends Bilderberg meetings the same ones her husband admitted to attending on video. Violation of the Logan Act.
John McCain - ineligible for POTUS title he was born in PANAMA, Corruption its destroying USA
boots920 2 years ago
What does the Bilderberg meetings have anything to do with Obama's well-documented and verified birth in Hawaii?
balanceseeker 2 years ago
What does the Bilderberg meetings have anything to do with Obama - Fraud, Corruption you're the one that brought why Hillary didn't say anything.
"Obama's well-documented and verified birth in Hawaii?"
0 LEGAL DOCUMENT HAS BEEN PUT FORTH as proof, Obama is a Fraud so's the US government.
- That's a fuckin lie and you know it , the long form proves your citizenship. The US government won't Vet Obama because he's not eligible to be POTUS.
boots920 2 years ago
"That's a fuckin lie and you know it."
Project much?
Look, boots. It is clear that nothing will disprove your ideas of how things would work. If the long form was produced, you would claim it was a forgery. If we got the doctor who did the delivery to say it happened, you would claim it was a sham.
You just believe what you want to believe in spite of the facts. It is called a delusion, boots.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Don't argue wth him. Logic and reason and rational, blindingly obvious proof and verified public birth certificates don't hold any water with nutjobs like Boots. Facts are their enemies. Just mark him spam and ignore him.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
I understand. I have gone round and round with this particular "nutjob" before on this very issue. I continue in the hopes that one day he will realize that he has no rational leg to stand on and all of his ideas on this issue are bogus.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"he has no rational leg to stand on and all of his ideas on this issue are bogus"
Like which ones bubble head or do you do all the thinking around here for the taxpayers.
boots920 2 years ago
"Like which ones bubble head or do you do all the thinking around here for the taxpayers."
No, Boots. I do not do all the thinking. There are plenty of other taxpayers out there thinking - even you. You just happen to be not thinking critically, or you would realize the weakness of your position on this birther nonsense and stop regurgitating it at every stop. After all, it makes all your other points weaker.
Oh, and which ones? Go back and read my posts for the list.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Oh, and which ones? Go back and read my posts for the list."
Keep it simple bubble head how does a citizen prove citizenship to the government ? I'm just talking when government demands to know who you say you are.
That's why BILLIONS have been spent on vital stats.
A long form proves your citizenship to government, I HAD to go through the red tape I know. I'm not ignorant on the subject. It cost me $100 and time to prove to corrupt government that I wasn't lying about my heritage.
boots920 2 years ago
Okay. We will keep it simple then. I was born in Hawaii, and I lost by birth certificate. I filed to get a new one, and what did I get? A certificate of live birth just like the one Obama has posted for all to see. It cost me money to get it, and it is the policy of Hawaii to send those as opposed to the "long form." I took it to my DMV in Oregon to prove my citizenship, my birth in the country, and it worked for the state.
You just refuse to accept that which any other state would.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"It cost me money to get it, and it is the policy of Hawaii to send those as opposed to the "long form." I took it to my DMV in Oregon to prove my citizenship"
Does Hawaii state corrupt officials who's bull shit administration of paper work supersede the US constitution. Maybe you should check out island girl's bank account to see if she got a large deposit of funny money lately.
Island girl is so full of it, so's the federal government.
5,000 Patriots died for nothing GWya is still a free man
boots920 2 years ago
Got any evidence to support your claim that Hawaii was paid off? Further, do you realize the number of people who would have to be involved to perpetuate the conspiracy you claim? Newspapers, goverment officials, government workers, and so on... AND NONE OF THEM saying a damn thing to the press about it - something that would be the scoop of the century.
Yeah, right.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
And all of that, I have told you numerous times...
balanceseeker 2 years ago
" I have told you numerous times..."
Oh I see I've been told how to think eh ?
Well here's the facts jack the US dollar is about to be toilet paper, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are based on 911 attacks that are now proven to be false flag attacks US government is lying to their people and you have an ineligible POTUS in power.
I know how this debacle ends like a Shakespearian tragedy
Obama not being a US Citizen WTF
"Something's rotten in Denmark"
US government can not be trusted as proven
boots920 2 years ago
"Oh I see I've been told how to think eh ?"
#facepalm#
Boots, if you are going to debate anything honestly, at least keep people's comments in context. I have told you the story of my certificate of live birth multiple times. I have not told you "how to think." I have only told you the facts of reality regarding this issue and how wrong you are about it.
You continue to want to change the subject and now want to put words in my mouth. That's who one debates dishonestly.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"That's who one debates dishonestly"
" I have told you the story of my certificate of live birth multiple times"
Does your story matter ? Or the story on why Obama isn't a legit leader. Look at the USA its imploding buddy maybe not for you but there's some estimates of 33% unemployment. Your society is imploding the government doesn't care I say the Kenyan National is doing more harm than good. No long form is ridiculous and you know it eh government employee ?
boots920 2 years ago
Of course my story matters. It shows how the certificate of live birth proves citizenship by proving birth within the state of Hawaii.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"nutjob"
Yea I'm a real nutjob for pointing out the US dollar is worthless paper and you have an illegal POTUS in power because the US government doesn't care if taxpayers live or die.
You can write to government on how dead you are.
boots920 2 years ago
I put it in quotation marks for a reason, boots. It was the term used by the person I was responding to.
However, not once in this discussion have I attacked your positions about the dollar or the government not caring if "the taxpayers live or die." (Though, that is not to say I agree with those assertions either) I have focused entirely on the issue of the president being a natural born citizen, something you seem to want to throw out there as being untrue and when confronted with facts, run.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"something you seem to want to throw out there as being untrue and when confronted with facts, run."
Well bubble head how to you prove your heritage to government. Have you ever gone through the process yourself. I have I'm not ignorant on the subject, I'm not running from anything.
If I have to prove my citizenship to government surely the POTUS has to prove his citizenship to the people he's leading. What has me concerned that no one in government is demanding Obama show his long form.
LOL
boots920 2 years ago
I have gone through the process, "bubble head." You have been told this every time I have confronted you on this issue, as I was actually born in Hawaii and so am extremely familiar with the process of having to get proof of my birth from the state. I filed and got a certificate of live birth and it proved my "heritage to the government."
balanceseeker 2 years ago
Have you ever had to prove your citizenship to a foreign government ? To claim birth right privilege ?
That's where the long form comes in , it proves with out a doubt (can be faked but boy ya better be careful you might find yourself in trouble with law if you put forth an illegal document).
Long Form birth certificate wouldn't be necessary but unfortunately with Obama his birth place is in dispute (father wasn't a US citizen) the long form would clear that mis-understanding up.
boots920 2 years ago
Obama does not have to prove his citizenship to a foreign government. This is Obama proving his US citizenship to the US government. Furthermore, there are plenty of US citizens born every day from the parents of non-citizens. So the fact that his father was Kenyan does not raise doubts of his birth location.
Again, your reasoning fails under scrutiny.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
"Obama does not have to prove his citizenship to a foreign government."
You bet he has to prove his citizenship to the taxpayers on demand especially the ones living in tents and living off food stamps.
"Furthermore, there are plenty of US citizens born every day from the parents of non-citizens."
Yea what was I thinking its great having a dual citizen in charge of the country, look how much change and progress there has been with the Kenyan National in power.
Look how 3rd world USA is...
boots920 2 years ago
@balanceseeker BAHAHAHAH still on the birther bullshit I see.
EmperorKagato 2 years ago
"birther bullshit ?"
Really emperorcunt please explain why the US dollar is legal tender. (its not gold and silver) Its in direct violation of the US constitution.
The Kenyan National is part of the problem , not the solution.
boots920 2 years ago
"emperorcunt"? Oh, dear. Someone thinks that if they start slinging crude insults that it makes their position stronger, and further, that by bringing up red herring issues, that it defends the issue at hand.
Boots, you might want to take a break. Your position is falling apart beneath your feet.
balanceseeker 2 years ago
True. I am. Boots won't concede, and I won't let his points go unanswered. As long as he continues this bogus claim, I'll continue to challenge him. But I am glad you are laughing at it. I know I have been laughing at Boots attempts of circular logic and so forth time and time again.
balanceseeker 2 years ago