Same-Sex Marriage Rights and Procedures - Des Moines Register Governor's Debate 2010

[thelousyllama]

who gives a shit about your catholic beliefs... who cares what the majority thinks... rights of a minority shouldnt be put to a vote.... did abraham lincoln asked the south to vote and decide if they should end slavery

[ersaamen]

There is no universal "traditional marriage".. Everyone who wants a history of the different types of marriages that have existed throughout different societies, go to my channel and click on: Protecting the "traditional marriage"?

There is nothing wrong with allowing economic full stability to families of same-sex couples. It needs to be allowed actually

[XxrockinmusicXx1]

no gay marriage if its allowed the world is gonna end very soon no offense says so in da bible

[Angeleer8]

@EidSeimmoc If gays don't have the right to marry, that means you don't have the right to marry. Check out ammendment nine of the Federal Constitution. It plain and clear. Check it out.

[trueisraelite]

i said the act needs to be eradicated not the people let me specify "my people" i dont care for the heathens

[Brandonpavlo]

No.... Just No.

[trueisraelite]

homosexuality needs to be eradicated out of the minds of my people

[KillYourFriends100]

@trueisraelite That is the exact close-minded, irrational hatred that is an affront to progress.

[CliffordB400]

@trueisraelite Cool, this is Iowa.

[Angeleer8]

@trueisraelite Mormonism and Christianity needs to be eradicated out of the minds of the American people.

[trueisraelite]

@Angeleer8  you're saying that because christianity restricts you from doin things you're not suppose to. as for mormonism they could burn in hell that's why this world is the way it is now ppl need to be more christian minded

[Catlover123445]

no we are saying that because christianity is bullshit and spreads homophobia idiocy and misinformation. time and time again these so called christians have proven to be hypocrites and liars and not the oh so morally superiorers that they claim to be. majority of criminals are actually devoutly religious people u know, as statistics have shown. in my view all the hate and evilness are comign from these religious groups such as yours.

[Catlover123445]

also, no offence, but id be more weary of people who think its justified for people to be set on fire for eternity, and people that the only thing keeps them from murdering and raping babies is that they might miss their little holiday in disneyland up in the clouds....just sayin LOL

[woiboi567]

Only lesbians can marry. I rather have two moms than two dads cause then I could have better PB&Js. No man can make better PB&Js than moms.

[Isuckatpaintball2]

i will use more logic than his is using....

he has hitler hair: therefore he hates jews,black people, gay people, americans, russians, and poland

[philip0460]

NEWSFLASH: THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A THEOCRACY, IT'S NOT A CHRISTIAN TALIBAN! GET OVER IT!

[erikdstock]

HITLER HAIR HITLER HAIR... checkmate

[BakingRecipes]

Of course Terry Branstad is a Catholic,

that's why he's basing legislation on some holy book.

[bbentley5990]

As our founding fathers, especially Benjamin Franklin, have stated; "The rights of the minority should NEVER be put up to vote by the majority. This has been proven time and time again with african americans, suffrage, etc.

Grow up people and realize that our government isn't just based on majority vote. Do your research and understand why our government works the way it does.

[redsawdom]

We should let people vote on the issue! Because as we can see from the issues with segregation and suffrage, what the majority says is always what's right.

[socrstreets]

Culver sounds like a much better guy.

[MrTruth08]

So we can pick and choose what to follow in the bible? and how does Branstad explain catholic priest molesting children? Marriage is no longer a tradition since the divorce rate is about 55%, its more like a joke now.

[DCFunBud]

If you're against same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of your own sex. Otherwise, mind your own business. What do you care what your neighbors are doing and why should you have a say in it?

[lilnicky492]

aint no fags deserve to be married here, it is a sin and wrong.

[HenhousetheRed]

@lilnicky492 How's it wrong? Because we stick our dicks in other men's asses? How's oral sex or masturbation any less sinful, considering the mouth for the hand was not "made" for a penis? Then why do so many straight couples do anal sex too? I know a ton. I actually learned to do anal sex correctly thanks to the advice from a straight woman. Some say it feels better than vaginal sex because the hole is so much tighter. Lots of lube!

[tranquility4all]

@HenhousetheRed Consensual Sex (Heterosexual or Gay) is not sinful.

Rape is a crime.

People who are concerned about other people's sexual orientation need to get a life.

[Trashfished]

@lilnicky492 so true that!

[Angeleer8]

@lilnicky492 Who said same-sex marrtage is a sin?

[trueisraelite]

@Angeleer8 lev 20 13

[Muhammadisatroll]

I don't get it, why do lesbians marry girls that look like guys?

[thelousyllama]

@Muhammadisatroll because they come without penis

[Raiders1393]

they should make it so marriage doesnt have to be sexual, fuck gay marriage, what about same sex straight marriage.

[sloopy312]

The suicidal gay youth I work with listen to his kind of talk and it further discourages them from their dreams of ever being able to live a normal life.

We just had another gay youth kill himself last week. The blood of these youth will be on the hands of all whose words relegate these youth to second class citizens.

[ZachBlogs]

He hasn't even talked about "Why" it's wrong, he's lame.

[iastatej7b]

Branstad states that he is Catholic and believes that every voting person in Iowa should have an opportunity to vote for this subject instead of a select few making the decision. Which isn't democracy based on popular vote? A bias select few should not determine a moral law in Iowa such as this one.

[ThePleather]

@iastatej7b Two reasons:

1. A true, complete democracy is simply impractical. The US (or even just the state of Iowa) doesn't have the time or money to have a popular vote on every single issue. There are just too many people.

2. (This is much more arguable.) The majority of the founding fathers didn't trust the opinions of the general public. Even today, political knowledge is ridiculously low, to the point that rep.'s are invaluable tools for effective policy making.

[joeyjoeyfresg]

@WastelandSociety we don't know what color he was and it really doesn't matter but he was born in Bethlehem Israel so he's not white or black considering people born in the middle east are neither..

[atheistworstenemy]

@joeyjoeyfresg Semites (Arabs & Jews) are generally considered Caucasian. On technicality, he was white. "White" and "black" are, of course, just societal constructions.

Not a big deal or anything, just saying.

[joeyjoeyfresg]

@atheistworstenemy Alright he had fair colored skin and white and black are societal constructions nobody is literally white (maybe albinos) but whatever i don't care what color he is, its a dumb argument.

[illestbreed]

@WastelandSociety AFRICANS WERE THE FIRST HUMANS EVER MAN...

[illestbreed]

@WastelandSociety THAT IMAGE OF JESUS BEING WHITE ---- A GUY WAS PAID IN ITALY ROME TO MAKE THOSE PICS OF HOW WE SEE JESUS TODAY

[illestbreed]

@WastelandSociety HE ISN'T WHITE AND IF THAT WERE TRUE THIS JEW JESUS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THESE CURRENT JEWS WHO CON THAT CORPORATION CALLED UNITED STATES HE COULD BE ASIAN AS FOR AS WE KNOW BUT MY POINT TO HENHOUSETHERED IS THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT ACCURATE

[bookworm1138]

the way i see it, homosexual marriages could be a boon to the economy, so wouldn't it be a practical economy stimulation by allowing gay-marriages?

besides, with all the pornography and sexual-innuendo out there now, its not like we really "respect" heterosexual unions anymore, so why not?

[AmericanNohbuddy]

How many gay people are in Iowa anyway? Like 2?

[SlapmyFlap]

Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

[41caliber]

Depending on the state civil unions are allowed some or all of the the benefits that are granted to married couples. Legalizing gay marriage would confuse my children into thinking gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage. Churches would also have to marry gays the same way they would straight people even if the church dosn't believe in homosexuality. This would be enforced by law and gays could sue if the church refused. I don't hate gays but I don't want them forcing their will on me.

[Arkalius80]

@41caliber Actually, churches would have the ability to refuse to marry anyone they don't want to, the same way they do now.

And why shouldn't your children learn the truth, that all marriages between two people are the same, regardless of the genders involved?

[HenhousetheRed]

@illestbreed Only if you're gay, please. I don't want straight people fucking me. Gross.

[illestbreed]

@HenhousetheRed fuck off cocksuckah!!

[pastulioxx1]

what more rights can gay people need? seriously, all gay people should be forcefully moved to an island that will go underwater in 5 years. leave them trapped there.

[HenhousetheRed]

@pastulioxx1 Gay people are a part of society. You can't get rid of us, Hitler. Hasn't history taught you anything?

[pastulioxx1]

@HenhousetheRed yes history has taught me many things....especially history on roaches. an animal that plagues the world. filthy little critters that are impossible to get rid of sadly. much like gay people. filthy little things. =(

[Angeleer8]

@pastulioxx1 You must br mentally ill to say such things. Your words suggest that you are willing to break one of the ten commandments-Thou Shall Not Kill.

[pastulioxx1]

@Angeleer8 what the hell?? how do you conclude that ?

[MisterxWD]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

[ElphabaoftheWest]

We are not aliens, we are human. We deserve just as much rights as everyone else. Don't use the bible as an excuse because men make USA a convienience for themselves. Okay, gay is a sin. BUT! Adultry is a sin so take the fuckin strip bars and porn shops out cuz that leads to adultry. AND! Having a baby outta wedlock is a sin so enforce abortion on those who are not married. If your gonna use a bible on this topic you gotta make laws for each sin. Sorry, did I say convienience. That's not God.

[illestbreed]

@ElphabaoftheWest no no no fag you people are worse then illegal immigrants in the bible it declares no man is illegal as for gays no body needs em

[ElphabaoftheWest]

@illestbreed Notice how long my fight is & how short yours is? All you can do is call names & have a poor fight back. But I guess one thing for sure is its not worth fighting because no matter what I say, people like you will hate & represent God as a hateful human being. But I'm gonna represent myself well & not call you names because obviously you are reflecting on yourself & your doing my job for me. I know my facts have a point and yours is just pure hate. God bless. Your gonna need it more.

[HenhousetheRed]

@illestbreed The bible also supports slavery and beating to death disobedient wives and children.

[illestbreed]

@HenhousetheRed This bible tells alot of lies to cause truth Jesus is black and his name is Judah

[41caliber]

Same sex couples have the same rights as married couples, they just don't have the title. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a women. I'm tired of gay people trying to force their will on this country.

[xojaiserxo]

@41caliber What I don't understand is how granting same sex marriage affects you at all! Why are you so oppposed to it? Al they want it to be able to marry in the same why that you can, with the title. And to say that gay couples have all the same rights is not accurate, they are denyed many of the same rights that a legal marriage provides. All gay marriage would do is make thousands of gay couples happy, and it wouldn't even affect anyone else!

[HenhousetheRed]

@41caliber Separate is not equal.

[Arkalius80]

@41caliber You're tired of oppressed people trying to force equality on this country? I'm so sorry for you.

Marriage is a legally recognized thing in this country with legal benefits. Why should we make up a new word for the same thing? Nothing about the legal arrangement we call marriage is fundamentally different when the genders of the individuals involved are the same, so there is no reason to have a different name for it.

[warjikin]

@EidSeimmoc Gay people want to get married to gain the benefits of marriage afforded to straight couples. I'm sure love is also in their somewhere. Marriage in this country is secular. Meaning the Bible and will of God don't really matter here. Any non Christian straight couple can get married. Also there are Gay Christians out there. In other words you hit the jackpot of ignorance.

"Stupid Cunt." " fucking asshole"

Now that's not a very Christ like thing to say is it?

[GlassAgate]

@EidSeimmoc

The Bible condemns polyester, and wants people to be killed

for a bunch of reasons, like leaving the church, questioning the

church, speaking ill of the church, eating shellfish, committing

adultery, and many more. Did you know that the Bible condones

killing a woman, if she is unable to prove that she's a virgin, at

the time of marriage?

[tn7787]

@EidSeimmoc Also, fuck your piece of shit Bible. Check the prison populations. 75%+ of them are Christians while only .02% are atheists. How is that for morality?

[tn7787]

@EidSeimmoc Last time I checked, we didn't live in a theocracy. If you want your religious views to be in our laws, then move to Saudi Arabia. We won't miss you. A civil marriage license is not the same thing as a religious marriage. Nobody is trying to make churches marry anyone they don't want to. We are talking about a contract between two people and their government. It's none of your business.

[Arkalius80]

@EidSeimmoc I'm fully aware of what the bible has to say about homosexuality. But, basing laws on a mythical book that promotes hatred and bigotry is a really bad idea. Also, there are many homosexuals who are Christians, and many Christians who have no problem with homosexuality and who support marriage equality. The fact that you feel the need to use insults and vulgar language to make your point undermines your position. I guess you didn't read the "love your enemies" part of the bible.

[paulahare2]

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[bookerdann]

So Brandstad doesn't care if a law is constitutional, only whether it fits his agenda. That's typical of conservatives disdain for the rule of law. If the succeed in divorcing thousands of Iowans, then those people should declare their own sovereign society separate from the state government and take every opportunity they can to withhold every penny possible from their state taxes. Why in the world gay people want to join the military and serve a country that treats them this way is beyond me.

[homerth1555]

How many straight marriages have been destroyed since same sex marriage was deemed legal in Iowa? None. NONE. Mr. Branstad wants to divorce thousands of legally married adults. Shame on him.

[midamerica100]

Marriage is between a man and a women end of story! Can you not get that through your heads!

[Arkalius80]

@midamerica100 Excellent and well-reasoned argument sir! Simply asserting that you're right is well known to be one of the most enlightened and intelligent forms of rational argument and people would be foolish to disagree with you! (In case you didn't get it, I'm being sarcastic).

[tpricej3frenz]

@midamerica100 I agree with you

[Angeleer8]

@midamerica100 That is not what the dictionary says. I believe the dictionary over you.

[tinzovideo]

@midamerica100 You can have your opinion. I shouldn't say "you suck!"

[divad838]

Wow! I don't know how that jerk could stand there and basically tell that family that they are second class citizens and don't deserve the same rights as everyone else.

[XCHAPYEG]

Jesus said " Love your fellow man as you would yourself."

I think it's pretty clear Jesus wouldnt mind same sex marriage.

[rg0057]

Who cares about the chemistry behind homosexuality? The point is that most gay people say they didn't have a choice, and the evidence shows that forcing them to change causes severe damage.  In a free and fair democracy, you don't discriminate against people for things that are irrelevant to their contribution to society, and which they cannot change. (We don't even discriminate on religion, which is clearly a changeable lifestyle choice).

[Klazzt]

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The Supreme Court has upheld the right to marriage is a fundamental human right that cannot be taken away or withheld, as the 14th amendment gives all people equal protection under the law.

[boxtrap21]

He's catholic. The Bible says Homosexuals go to hell.

No wonder he is against same sex marriage!

Religion is ruining the world.

[Arkalius80]

@boxtrap21 Believing that homosexuality is a sin doesn't necessarily mean a person must then support legislation that restricts the rights of homosexuals legally. The fact that he's Catholic isn't what makes him a bad choice as a governor, it's the fact that he is willing to support legislation based on how well they reflect the religious doctrines he believes in instead of how well they serve his constituency.

[Angeleer8]

@boxtrap21 I agree with you 100%. The Mormon Church, the Christian Church, and the Roman Cathalic Church are ruining the world. In my opinion they should all be eradicated.

[boxtrap21]

@Angeleer8 Yes, all those religions are just homophobic idiocy, along with all other religions. I think we should progress from believing in stone age gods.

[jackson23220]

Banstad us a douche. I want to vote on this jerk's relationship.

[Arkalius80]

Mr Branstad is not fit to be governor. First of all, he openly admits he wishes to inject his religious views into his duties as governor. Second, he apparantly doesn't realize that fundamental rights are not subject to the whims of the people and are not meant to be subject to the outcomes of popular votes. The courts have ruled repeatedly that the right to marry the person of one's choosing is a fundamental right enjoyed by all people.

[TheJDeaux]

@Arkalius80 Yeah...what ever happened to the separation of Church and State? Wasn't it religious persecution that sent those pilgrims on that little cruise way back when?

[ryandward]

I don't care if you're Catholic. I'm not, I'm Muslim. I don't believe Catholics should have a right to marry.

[lokuh90210]

@ryandward lolz... say while you're here i thought islam forbid same sex relation

[divad838]

@lokuh90210 I think your missing the point.

[Clemburke1111]

Joe,,,same sex attraction is in every thing from lue whales to dogs,,,,its a chemical release in he womb in the 3rd trimester.

[yaoiking16]

Its impossilbe to have a in intellegent conversation with a person that is against gay marriage because when you ask them what reason they have for being against it, they either quote the bible or just say "its wrong". Anyone against gay marriage i find them to have lesser intellegence and world experiance all around. They really need to go away.

[TheAnthony8650]

@yaoiking16 - You are 100% correct. Branstad looked like a fool when answering his question and he knew what he was saying was immoral and bigoted and yet he said it anyway just to gain votes from right-wing fanatics.

Branstad is political scum at its worst.

It's too bad Iowa will probably elect that piece of trash into office. Oh well, at least if Iowans do pass a Constitutional amendment, it can be defeated in Federal Court such as with Prop 8 in California.

[LegalEagleX]

@yaoiking16 because they are so "hetero-centric" that they don't understand what it means to be homosexuality....and they don't care to learn anything about it, either....their whole position toward us is like telling us "shut up, go away, you're wrong".

[woiboi567]

@yaoiking16 Or there's the option of saying: "Its not American." then they get banished from the country instead! Seriously...thats how the government works.

[yaoiking16]

@MVA15SEAL Actaully he wrong, and he should be attacked because his ideas are wrong and offensive....not to mention outdated.

[PROTOgarrettv2]

The judges weren't activist. They are supposed to act as a sperate entity to determine constitutionality of the law. A majority voting down individual rights based on their religious ideals isn't constitutional. Courts are what decided mixed race marriage was okay, even though the majority voted that it wasn't. Judges aren't supposed to be activist but they are supposed to judge when the public or it's leaders are wrong in light of individual rights and the constitution.

[afhdfh]

How can your belief dictate your decision when you have to decide for ALL the people in your state? Stupid american right wing christian extremists!

[Clemburke1111]

@MVA15SEAL Probably, but I remember when Bush was againt gay marriage and the nation applauided him,,,,it works both ways.

[joeratti]

glad he didnt back down. homosexuality isnt right in the religious sense or evolutionary sense. not to mention homosexuality is a perversion and a fetish. some have said there is a homosexual gene, well there is also a gene for autism. does that mean autism is normal and regular and we should stop treating it as if it were a problem?

[Clemburke1111]

@joeratti Homosexuality is in over 2000 species and is a birth situation, In the third trimester, if the mother is under undo stress, the fetus gets an odd mount of hormones relased by the mother in to the womb making the baby any where from Hermaphrodite to homosexual.

[joeratti]

@Clemburke1111 i guess we should all start celebrating when we find homo bald eagles or pandas

[jackson23220]

@joeratti You are an idiot.

[Arkalius80]

@Clemburke1111 No one is "born gay". For that matter, no one is "born straight". A baby or child has no sexuality because that part of their physiology and neurochemistry is inactive at a young age. Claiming you know exactly what causes it is to say you know more than all of the world's scientists. One thing is clear about homosexuality: it's cause isn't some single thing. There are likely dozens of contributing factors from genetics to upbringing to you name it.

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 Then tell me the day you mad the decission to be straight?

[Clemburke1111]

@Clemburke1111 Tell me then ,,,what month and yr was it that you decided to be straight?

[Arkalius80]

@Clemburke1111 If you read my message and thought I was trying to say that sexual orientation is a choice then you have some problems with reading comprehension you should work on. A person's sexual orientation and identity develops over years from childhood through the teens. Various physiological and neurological factors contribute to this. Your claim that it's all traceable simply to chemicals released in the womb is not supported by any scientific consensus, because none yet exists for this.

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 Please provide sources from a non religious related source that is nationally renound & globally renound thank you

[Arkalius80]

@Clemburke1111 A source for what? You're the one asserting that homosexuality is soley caused by chemical releases in the third trimester, and you want me to provide you with scientific sources?

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 You have claimed that homosexuality happens while a child is growing up so can you show me evidence from a well knopw non religious text that is widly acceopted by the AMA and the APA etc?

[Arkalius80]

@Clemburke1111 My claim comes from reading a lot of different things, I can't point you to a specific source, because there isn't one that says this specifically. And, you want me to find you something that is widely accepted by the AMA and APA, yet you expect me to be satisfied by youtube videos from some random guy? You want some sources, check out wikipedia, the article on sexual orientation. There will be loads of references to all kinds of things there.

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 The Amaerican Medical associatoion to the world health org says homosexuality is normal,,even National Geographic calls it normal,,YOU CAN NOT give me one specific source? Thats because you dont have one sir. You didnt even bother to watch the 3 vids I posted ,did ya?

[Arkalius80]

@Clemburke1111 I never said it wasn't normal. It's perfectly fine in fact. I don't know where you got the idea I thought otherwise.

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 Please go to my YT channel and watch the first three videos in my favorite list,,I posted them especially for you,,,try and learn something.

[Clemburke1111]

@Arkalius80 Oh,,and please make sure they are scientifc sources respected nationally and/or globally...than you so very much.

[Arkalius80]

@joeratti "homosexuality isnt right in the religious sense or evolutionary sense" The first doesn't matter legally and the second makes no sense. Evolution has nothing to say about what is right or wrong. And, homosexuality occurs commonly throughout nature. An interesting example is the giraffe... male giraffes spend far more time trying to have sex with other males than with females. Whether or not its geneitc is irrelevant. "It just is" is not a valid answer to "why is it wrong?"

[divad838]

@joeratti Your an idiot. Oh, and a bigot.

[ElTrivilin]

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