Get over that religious and meaningless flame wars. We never know as long as not all of the hundreds of formula 1 drivers of the last century and all of the *potential* drivers since home sapiens measure in the same race in identical cars. Oh wait, even then, the measure is not fair, everyone has their own driving style. Guess we never know until all particles in the universe have been flipped back and forth ...
Just shut up and enjoy the races. Senna would not have wanted you religious trolls.
@beebogroll No. Nooo. Nooooooo. You can not say by statistics alone who is the absolute best. Has Rindt ever competed Schumacher? Nooooo, he hasn't. Al Unser versus Fangio? Nooooo. It could even be that Nico Rosberg is the second coming of Senna, and Fernando, Sebastian, Jenson, Lewis are even better. Why is that neither provable nor falsifiable? Because they never competed each other. And even if they did, some drivers are good on one set of tracks and fail at others, and vice versa.
@beebogroll And even if you permute over every race driver on the world, over every race track of the world, there are infinitely many race tracks never built, but which could change statistics. As well as 99.99999999999999999999999% of all humans since homo sapiens never had the chance to race. Statistics are just one of infinitely many possible measures, as are IQ tests or sunday night quiz shows. You see, I admit and like Shueys 7 titles, but they are not THE ONE AND ONLY POSSIBLE TRUTH.
@phresnel1 how did you figure out that statistics count for tracks that arent built...? statistics are statistics, regardless of what track theyre on.
@beebogroll That is exactlly the point. There are no statistics for anything that wasn't measured. So, for example, you can't compare Mark Webber against Ayrton Senna, simply because they drove at different times and different tracks. Possibly Mark Webber is ten times better than Senna. But Statistics don't show it, because Sebastian Vettel is even better. And, mathematically speaking, statistics always measure only a tiny tiny subset of what happens in the world.
@beebogroll And then, finally, don't forget the myriads of human that never got the chance to drive against Senna, for example because they lived 30000 years ago, or because they die on AIDS long before their 10th birthday. What is better, the Rhinoceros or the Triceratops? The polar bear or the groundhog? Under some circumstances, it is the one, on other, the other.
LOL illegal driving aids don't make me laugh, the F1 cars are thoroughly checked before and after each race and practice and qualifying session. Schuey was diqualified twice in this year. Also about Senna he was a brilliant driver and how can u say he was a greater driver than schuey? schuey hit his peak in 2000 onwards and broke every formula1 record, even if senna didn't die, i think schuey would have still beat him in number of championships
beat senna?!?! when?!?! senna dies, we don't know what would happens if senna survived, but it wont be easy, schumacher thrown his car over hill's in the australian gp, and you know that or too blind to see? he try to ram villenneuve off the track, and yesterday, he try to kill barrichello...and you say that he beat senna and in a clean way?! without mension the wins that he archieve with teamates leting he pass...you are the dickhead here, stupid blind...\0.0/
@martinusso did you forget what senna did to prost, or the countless times her closed the doors on so many other drivers that he would complain if it was done to him. Look what senna did to Irvine jsut because he passed him. So if you say Schumacher was a cheat so was Senna.
" owned by a better driver"??! who told you that PlasticGSXR??? are you nuts??? Senna was far away better then Schumacher, Senna beat real drivers with real cars, manual gerbox and all, he beat Mansell when he was slower, beat Prost in a clean way, Schumacher have the best car in years, no opponents and he cheated with fuel pump an he took Hill out of the race in 94, in 97 he try to do the same thing in Villenneuve, and in 98, 99, 05 and 06 he had opponents and lose, he's only a good driver.
Do you remember Senna vs. Prost 1990 in Suzuka? And do you remember how good the McLaren was in these years (88-91)? Think about these points and then complain about Michael Schmuacher. So dont tell me "Senna was far away better then Schumache", totally bullshit. Btw Senna had opponents 92 and 93, ehm who won? This is stupid as well... Senna AND Schumacher are one of the greatest thats it!
why do you for some reason think that if a driver can use a manual gearbox he is a supernatual entity whose skills are beyond our mere mortal comprehension?
as derek bell said, "if you were to get raikkonen or hamilton and put them into a ferrari 312 like i drove, they would still win because the talent will always outshine the car they drive"
oh but i guess you would know more than a le mans legend wouldn't you?
Yes my Friend, you absolute right... I can tell you why 80% of the People think so, because they got absolute no Idea about Race Driving and F1, so they watch a few F1 Videos on YouTube, read a few Comments of Stupid People, and than they think Manuall Gearbox was soooo Hard to drive, and the Cars of 91 had 1200 HP, and the Drivers was sooo much better.... xDDD
Man, those senna maniacs hate Schumacher's gutts in a really bad way. For years, whenever i watch anything related 2 Schumacher i instantly find a lot of them swearing and desperately trying to prove that schumacher is shit and senna is the best car racer who ever lived on earth (disregarding Fangio / Clark / Moss / ... but what the heck, they r surely better judges than professional ppl), some of them extending their anger to blame schumi for senna's death !!!
@Pompyroftw Can't we just say that Senna and Schumacher were excellent drivers who stood a bit above even their exceptional, legendary peers, wished they had really got a chance to clash and be done with it?
@Spawmpt While it may be "driver friendly", the V10 had so much more horsepower that at a track like Interlagos with 1 very long straight and 2 "small" straights, the V10 would gain much more - the Renault V10 was rumoured at the time to have at least 30 horsepower (some said 50) more than the Ford V8.
The car looked like it was on rails. The driving was way too smooth. Senna had to tame his Williams to get through those tight bends!
GOJOOB- Can you get a comparison of Schumi v Senna in quali for brazil '94? Id like to see the difference
Also how about Schumi brazil '93 v brazil '94 or similar. There should be a major difference in how the two cars go round the corners considering after 1993 Traction Control was banned!
remember that tc was banned for 1994, and the williams wasn't the best car, look hill for example(1,5 sec behind ayrton in qualify)...but here i can't hear tc...
Nothing unusual about that. Thw Ford V8 had superior torque and acceleration out of the slow corners to the V10 Renault, which had more HP but only at high revs.
THe Renault engine RS6 was a lemon. It was slower than the 1993 RS5 engine beucase fly by throttle was banned. There was a bug article on it in Lequipe during 1994. That is why Renault suddenly lost it's huge HP advantage it had in 1993.
You guys obviously do not know how to identify a traction control system by the engine sound when accelerating out of a corner ... back in the days (93), a TC was technically realized by making the ECU shut off fuel injection whenever a dedicated spin sensor registered wheelspin. From the onboard recording, I cannot hear any of that.
The Benetton chassis of '94 was much more stable than the Williams, and the last sector consists of a lot of tight bends. It's no wonder he was able to gain a lot of time. He was probably able to drive it smoother. Notice you are all saying he used illegal driver aids, but Senna still got pole. I'd say the cars were very even, and the last couple tenths were down to the drivers alone.
Senna use to get pole regularly by over 1-1.5 second when he had the fastest cars. He got pole by 3 tenths, which he did with slower cars. Hill in the same Williams was 1.2 seconds slower than Schumacher.
Qualifying times Interlagos 1994 Sector 1/2 Senna 46.652s Hill 47.554s MS 48.219s Sector 3 Senna 29.310s Hill 30.000s MS 28.071s Look at the last sector.Schumacher gains a big advantage in the last 3 corners(low speed corners) before the straight line because he was using illegal traction control. Traction control helps especially at low speed corners. Benneton was better than Williams. Williams had no TC. Also had a lot of handling problems
You are an idiot because he is quicker in the last sector means he must have TC (roll my eyes). Obviously you don't know anything about motor racing and you will probably never drive competitively in your life.
That's why Schumacher was so shit in the 1993 Benetton. The Benetton was easilt the best car for the first 3/4 of the season. It was driving like on rails.
he has paddle shifters on the steering wheel. and whadda ya mean he's not shifting gears? dont you hear the fuckin gear shifts? an Automatic transmission would get confused and start him out in the wrong gear after a slow corner. And who gives a shit if he was drive'in illegal....dude that was 1994, 13 years ago!!!
I Don't hear any traction control crackling from the car. Jos Verstappen?
AhBen567 1 month ago
@AhBen567
I don´t think they were THAT silly and made a hearable traction control !
X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 1 month ago
Hiper ultra superb control lol
ViniciusLimaRS 2 months ago
Superhuman car control. Amazing to watch.
MXB2001 6 months ago
@MXB2001
Super-traction-control car control ! Amazing to hear: No "playing" with the throttle, just full throttle with working traction control ...
X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 1 month ago 2
the best in formula 1 !!!!
maurizio864 10 months ago
Get over that religious and meaningless flame wars. We never know as long as not all of the hundreds of formula 1 drivers of the last century and all of the *potential* drivers since home sapiens measure in the same race in identical cars. Oh wait, even then, the measure is not fair, everyone has their own driving style. Guess we never know until all particles in the universe have been flipped back and forth ...
Just shut up and enjoy the races. Senna would not have wanted you religious trolls.
phresnel1 10 months ago
@phresnel1 yes, you can compare who is the greatest driver by statistics. and m. schumacher is the best.
beebogroll 9 months ago
@beebogroll No. Nooo. Nooooooo. You can not say by statistics alone who is the absolute best. Has Rindt ever competed Schumacher? Nooooo, he hasn't. Al Unser versus Fangio? Nooooo. It could even be that Nico Rosberg is the second coming of Senna, and Fernando, Sebastian, Jenson, Lewis are even better. Why is that neither provable nor falsifiable? Because they never competed each other. And even if they did, some drivers are good on one set of tracks and fail at others, and vice versa.
phresnel1 9 months ago
@beebogroll And even if you permute over every race driver on the world, over every race track of the world, there are infinitely many race tracks never built, but which could change statistics. As well as 99.99999999999999999999999% of all humans since homo sapiens never had the chance to race. Statistics are just one of infinitely many possible measures, as are IQ tests or sunday night quiz shows. You see, I admit and like Shueys 7 titles, but they are not THE ONE AND ONLY POSSIBLE TRUTH.
phresnel1 9 months ago
@phresnel1 how did you figure out that statistics count for tracks that arent built...? statistics are statistics, regardless of what track theyre on.
beebogroll 9 months ago
@beebogroll That is exactlly the point. There are no statistics for anything that wasn't measured. So, for example, you can't compare Mark Webber against Ayrton Senna, simply because they drove at different times and different tracks. Possibly Mark Webber is ten times better than Senna. But Statistics don't show it, because Sebastian Vettel is even better. And, mathematically speaking, statistics always measure only a tiny tiny subset of what happens in the world.
phresnel1 9 months ago
@beebogroll And then, finally, don't forget the myriads of human that never got the chance to drive against Senna, for example because they lived 30000 years ago, or because they die on AIDS long before their 10th birthday. What is better, the Rhinoceros or the Triceratops? The polar bear or the groundhog? Under some circumstances, it is the one, on other, the other.
phresnel1 9 months ago
LOL illegal driving aids don't make me laugh, the F1 cars are thoroughly checked before and after each race and practice and qualifying session. Schuey was diqualified twice in this year. Also about Senna he was a brilliant driver and how can u say he was a greater driver than schuey? schuey hit his peak in 2000 onwards and broke every formula1 record, even if senna didn't die, i think schuey would have still beat him in number of championships
EspadaAdam 1 year ago
rneoman
martinusso 1 year ago
beat senna?!?! when?!?! senna dies, we don't know what would happens if senna survived, but it wont be easy, schumacher thrown his car over hill's in the australian gp, and you know that or too blind to see? he try to ram villenneuve off the track, and yesterday, he try to kill barrichello...and you say that he beat senna and in a clean way?! without mension the wins that he archieve with teamates leting he pass...you are the dickhead here, stupid blind...\0.0/
martinusso 1 year ago
@martinusso did you forget what senna did to prost, or the countless times her closed the doors on so many other drivers that he would complain if it was done to him. Look what senna did to Irvine jsut because he passed him. So if you say Schumacher was a cheat so was Senna.
panik808 1 year ago 2
" owned by a better driver"??! who told you that PlasticGSXR??? are you nuts??? Senna was far away better then Schumacher, Senna beat real drivers with real cars, manual gerbox and all, he beat Mansell when he was slower, beat Prost in a clean way, Schumacher have the best car in years, no opponents and he cheated with fuel pump an he took Hill out of the race in 94, in 97 he try to do the same thing in Villenneuve, and in 98, 99, 05 and 06 he had opponents and lose, he's only a good driver.
martinusso 1 year ago
Do you remember Senna vs. Prost 1990 in Suzuka? And do you remember how good the McLaren was in these years (88-91)? Think about these points and then complain about Michael Schmuacher. So dont tell me "Senna was far away better then Schumache", totally bullshit. Btw Senna had opponents 92 and 93, ehm who won? This is stupid as well... Senna AND Schumacher are one of the greatest thats it!
volcom485 1 year ago 2
OMG! get over that fucking manual gearbox!
why do you for some reason think that if a driver can use a manual gearbox he is a supernatual entity whose skills are beyond our mere mortal comprehension?
as derek bell said, "if you were to get raikkonen or hamilton and put them into a ferrari 312 like i drove, they would still win because the talent will always outshine the car they drive"
oh but i guess you would know more than a le mans legend wouldn't you?
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva
Yes my Friend, you absolute right... I can tell you why 80% of the People think so, because they got absolute no Idea about Race Driving and F1, so they watch a few F1 Videos on YouTube, read a few Comments of Stupid People, and than they think Manuall Gearbox was soooo Hard to drive, and the Cars of 91 had 1200 HP, and the Drivers was sooo much better.... xDDD
You know what i mean?
kallo182 1 year ago
@martinusso in a clean way you mean rammimg him off track? schumacher beat senna too you know, just check YOUITUBE dickhead
rneoman 1 year ago
simply perfect driving, the driver aid is inside Michaels head and spine, but it`s all legal.
Senna got owned by a better driver, simple as that.
PlasticGSXR 2 years ago
Where are the illegal driving aids then?
Pompyroftw 2 years ago
Well the downshifts and revs at the apex are perfect.
rdf1988 2 years ago
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Ayrton Senna="Driving skills"
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"Mr.Mouth allwys speaks truth"
TheMrMouth 2 years ago
Mr.Mouth the king of cook sucking
Heskey10 2 years ago 9
illegal driver aids...?? huh? :S
gangsta078 2 years ago
Simply the best.
DavidBirch1987 2 years ago
shumacher só foi o que foi porque senna morreu
leonardocristiano888 3 years ago
seriously...y isn't he goin flat out??
aaqib92 3 years ago
That Ford V8 sounds awful. My Golf VR6 makes a better sound.
Monthagny 3 years ago
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Tronox24 2 years ago
Man, those senna maniacs hate Schumacher's gutts in a really bad way. For years, whenever i watch anything related 2 Schumacher i instantly find a lot of them swearing and desperately trying to prove that schumacher is shit and senna is the best car racer who ever lived on earth (disregarding Fangio / Clark / Moss / ... but what the heck, they r surely better judges than professional ppl), some of them extending their anger to blame schumi for senna's death !!!
ResultantAsteroid 3 years ago 5
You're correct. Senna's widows flood every Schumacher video with their shitty comments that make no sense at all.
Pompyroftw 3 years ago 17
@Pompyroftw Can't we just say that Senna and Schumacher were excellent drivers who stood a bit above even their exceptional, legendary peers, wished they had really got a chance to clash and be done with it?
That's my stance on it anyway.
RRVCrinale 1 year ago 2
You guys are forgeting that the Renaul was a V10 and the benetton a V8 a much more driver friendly engine than the V10 Renault
Spawmpt 3 years ago 2
yeah 2 cylinders down less torque at low speed and more hp!
dave00075ie 2 years ago 2
Well more hp that is not true. The fact was taht the renault v10 engine was about 50hp more powerfull than the Ford V8.
But in the other hand the Ford need less fuel per lap
Spawmpt 2 years ago
@Spawmpt While it may be "driver friendly", the V10 had so much more horsepower that at a track like Interlagos with 1 very long straight and 2 "small" straights, the V10 would gain much more - the Renault V10 was rumoured at the time to have at least 30 horsepower (some said 50) more than the Ford V8.
Lolzilol123 1 year ago
The Williams-Renault has severe problems in suspension until Monaco.
joseavs 3 years ago 4
The car looked like it was on rails. The driving was way too smooth. Senna had to tame his Williams to get through those tight bends!
GOJOOB- Can you get a comparison of Schumi v Senna in quali for brazil '94? Id like to see the difference
Also how about Schumi brazil '93 v brazil '94 or similar. There should be a major difference in how the two cars go round the corners considering after 1993 Traction Control was banned!
spread777 3 years ago
could of been
dave649dave 3 years ago
a inveja é f.!! rs !
Schummy the best !!
02265 4 years ago
hehaeuae
a fan of Big Brother!
sennafanbr 3 years ago
tá na cara que tinha tc esse carro, olha como a condução é perfeita, o schumi não faz correção ao volante
f1masters 4 years ago
remember that tc was banned for 1994, and the williams wasn't the best car, look hill for example(1,5 sec behind ayrton in qualify)...but here i can't hear tc...
benisharmon 4 years ago
Nothing unusual about that. Thw Ford V8 had superior torque and acceleration out of the slow corners to the V10 Renault, which had more HP but only at high revs.
Skynet2029AD 4 years ago 2
THe Renault engine RS6 was a lemon. It was slower than the 1993 RS5 engine beucase fly by throttle was banned. There was a bug article on it in Lequipe during 1994. That is why Renault suddenly lost it's huge HP advantage it had in 1993.
LeonWgner 4 years ago 2
Don't all modern F1 cars use fly by wire throttles? they sure as hell don't use mechanical cables for throttle linkage!?!?!?
dave41184 3 years ago 2
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Shummi sucks !
fwbraz 4 years ago
You guys obviously do not know how to identify a traction control system by the engine sound when accelerating out of a corner ... back in the days (93), a TC was technically realized by making the ECU shut off fuel injection whenever a dedicated spin sensor registered wheelspin. From the onboard recording, I cannot hear any of that.
JeanLucPicard41 4 years ago 2
No the benetton has not TC because the TC's song is not listened
Shumi the best
Felyestay 4 years ago
schumi is king!
alielshadai 4 years ago
Not so secret as it was discovered...
ccanaves 4 years ago
This benneton is better in curves that the Williams, the traction control is a secret that Briatore and Schumacher save in secret....
m598lmr 4 years ago
The Benetton chassis of '94 was much more stable than the Williams, and the last sector consists of a lot of tight bends. It's no wonder he was able to gain a lot of time. He was probably able to drive it smoother. Notice you are all saying he used illegal driver aids, but Senna still got pole. I'd say the cars were very even, and the last couple tenths were down to the drivers alone.
ehkayi 4 years ago
Senna use to get pole regularly by over 1-1.5 second when he had the fastest cars. He got pole by 3 tenths, which he did with slower cars. Hill in the same Williams was 1.2 seconds slower than Schumacher.
sagttorel 4 years ago
mafioso86 4 years ago
You are an idiot.
bizadfar 4 years ago
Idiot is the person who don't want to accept the truth
mafioso86 4 years ago 3
You are an idiot because he is quicker in the last sector means he must have TC (roll my eyes). Obviously you don't know anything about motor racing and you will probably never drive competitively in your life.
bizadfar 4 years ago
On the straight lane williams was faster.Schumacher got an advantage of 2 seconds in 3 corners.
Try to convince a 3 years old kid that schumacher car was ok in 94.
Even with different downforce it's impossible to get a 2 seconds advantage in 3 corners.
Also FIA found traction control sofware but they were unable to prove that Benneton used it..ha ha ha they never wanted to prove it
mafioso86 4 years ago
The 1994 Bennetton was rubbish compared to the Williams. Schumi did an amzing job.
AHitler18 4 years ago
That's why Schumacher was so shit in the 1993 Benetton. The Benetton was easilt the best car for the first 3/4 of the season. It was driving like on rails.
sagttorel 4 years ago 3
he has paddle shifters on the steering wheel. and whadda ya mean he's not shifting gears? dont you hear the fuckin gear shifts? an Automatic transmission would get confused and start him out in the wrong gear after a slow corner. And who gives a shit if he was drive'in illegal....dude that was 1994, 13 years ago!!!
6V92TA 4 years ago
Yeah, who gives a shit, without the illegal driver aids he wouldn't have won 1 race in 1994, but it was 13 years ago so it is acceptable. RETARD.
LeonWgner 4 years ago
Du muss es ja wissen.
jigglediggle29 4 years ago
I wouldn't be surprise if he used ilegal diving aids or traction control. He's a cheater. He doesn't drive the, the car drives for him :P
basic86 4 years ago 3
Was he using illegal driver aids?
Answer:Traction Control
mafioso86 4 years ago
doesnt seem to be changing gear, not even a paddel shift!
PopJay 4 years ago
I can hear it from 0.38 listen.
NasSaysHipHopIsDead 4 years ago
hear a car accelerating? Well done.
samsemtex 4 years ago
you are illegal, moron
DrLecter2007 4 years ago