Well macs are great, but I would love to occasionally upgrade my graphics card. So in that regard this commercial is controversial in that surgery is a great thing.
It's cheaper and less time consuming to buy a new mac (which says a lot since i cost as much as a car) than to upgrade me.
Hi i'm PC, if you're not a 12 year old moron, i can become renewed every 3 years for a quarter of the price you bought me for.
fuck all of you hipsters... all mac does is restrict innovation. the entire internet is potential to evolve the capability of your pc, apple wants to make sure only apple can do it. And it will not be free... so yeah
I hope most of you realise this is more windows vs Mac? You do realise that a Mac uses Intel Processors and Radeon graphics? Which uhmm pc's use. I'd personally rather buy a BADASS alienware laptop or Desktop and run macos on it than buy a mac. They are way more expensive and you get a lot less performance numbers from them. Though I must admit, they are so pwetty!
I have a PC now and thinking about getting a macbook pro. My only problem with the pcs it is a big issue is viruses. I had privacy protection virus which block me out of everything. I could not even run my anti virus software to kill it. I had to go to my other account on PC to kill it. I can't run my sims 3 now on my pc
So you can upgrade a PC, do a surgery and can even do it yourself. Buy your own parts and hardware and install them yourself. Do that on a mac and I'd like to see someone try.
You're kidding right??? Macs have the crappy 6 year old hardware where as pc are always being updated.... Macs just suck, anybody that disagrees obviously can't use a computer and lacks any hardware knoledge.
@MaestroDraven your so-called "transparent myth" doesn't work for everything. Look at food, a higher price often indicates richer ingredients. Cars. A higher priced one often has more features and comforts. I'm sorry, but your realisation only actually works in a handful of situations. While the number of features to added price might be often wrong, it is still very much a truth.
I'm sorry, I just missed your comment after 6 days, but I had to laugh. You've been duped by the marketing machine. A higher price indicates richer ingredients? I suppose a $7.00 box of frosted flakes is of higher nutritional content than the $3.50 box of no-name frosted flakes? Either way, my point went straight over your head. I'm so sorry.
@MaestroDraven what you also need to realise is that, when Apple says their OS is the best, theyre not lying exactly, but marketing. Granted, it might not appeal to everyone, but they are certainly not going to say its crap!
@MaestroDraven sales have never ever reflected the quality. Look at anything in the market. Food, drink, cars, insurance, etc. it's all the same everywhere. The Fiat Panda has sold more units than the Bentley Brooklands, that doesn't mean it's a better car. So don't post some bullshit argument that is never true anywhere
You're very right about that. But the opposite also holds true. When Apple claims a superior OS, superior build quality and superior performance, it's lying through it's teeth on all three counts. For every Apple claim, there's a half-truth masking it. Ask yourself why Nissan and Honda created the Infiniti and Acura badges for the western world. Is it due to enhanced quality? Why are they not sold in Japan?
You need to start realizing that over here, the myth of higher price tag in relation to quality is a hollow, transparent myth. It was adopted because the western world is very easily fooled by their own burning need to keep up with the Jones'es. Apple isn't a bad company. But they're certainly no better than anyone else, and the class action lawsuits and bold-faced lies are indisputable proof of that. Arguing it is pointless. You can't.
i have both and i use to think apple was so awesome but after a couple of years i see some flaws pc and macs are both in to make as much money as they can
'Upgrading Hardware'.... the very reason why PC gaming is shite. at least 6 yr old consoles can play up to date games. Lets see a 6 yr old PC do that!
If you want to be a nerd gamer and make nerd upgrades then buy a PC. If you want a beautiful, reliable computer, buy a Mac. After I made the switch I don't see how there can even be debates.
@Mastermind12358 how am i being idiotic, dipshit? are you disagreeing with me? let me put this straight: 3 YR OLD iMAC RUNNING OSX LION! OK? is that OK with you?!! Goes from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion. Simple. Or is it because your point is bullshit and you're getting pissy because i proved you're wrong? is that right, mr. Mac Hater? Or are you worried because a 3 yr old PC might not run Win7?
Actually, Windows 7 will run on 8-year old single-core PCs with 2GB of first-gen DDR3 RAM will full Aero and effects turned on and still not suffer a lick of performance degradation. I've got four of them in my workplace as we speak.
@MaestroDraven I'm not saying old PC's won't run Win7, I'm simply disproving the rumour that macs can't be updated. Also, i haven't seen any bad reviews of lion and would like you to expand on that, as i personally think its much better than snow leopard.
I suggest you dig deeper. The Mac community has responded very poorly to Lion. Ask most Mac customers and they'll tell you the same thing: "Don't bother! It's not worth it!" Criticism has been heaped on Lion by professional reviewers for Lion adapting too much of an iOS flavor at the expense of versatility. So-called "new features" are desperate attempts by Apple to flaunt this new OS. Even Airdrop is a direct ripoff of Homegroup.
@MaestroDraven i agree it has taken a lot of iOS influence, but how is it less versatile? few features have been removed, if any, so it can't be any less versatile than snow leopard. anyway, even if airdrop is a ripoff of Homegroup, many features are copied between the two: trash/recycle bin, dock/task bar etc, so is that even point relevant in a lion review?
It may not be. But the typical Apple response to most arguments is the "everybody copies Apple" card, which is funny in and of itself, since none of Apple's products are their own invention. As for less versatility, it's very true. Even secondary programs like Final Cut are being dumbed down to the rage and backlash of practically every Mac customer save but a few. Apple is trying to be trendy, and shooting itself in the foot.
@MaestroDraven its not my typical response. even with being an Apple fan, i will gladly admit that Apple have done their own fair share of copying over the years. Also, i don't see how Lion is dumbing down 3rd party apps, like FC. And, i must strongly argue in favour of the iOS-esque features. Launchpad makes it, personally, far easier to find apps, and having owned an iPad, makes the gestures seem natural to use. While it does have drawbacks (Power PC), i find it far better than many say it is
@MaestroDraven also, when Apple says others have copied, its not the invention, its the innovation. For example, Apple redefined the mobile phone, not invent it. So if we say so-and-so has copied, its what Apple have done to that already existing product. Apple took the mobile and added apps. then, the whole industry adds apps. Apple release a new tablet, so every company releases their own version of a product that hasn't been on the market for over a decade.
If it redefined the mobile phone, then why haven't the sales ever matched it? Innovation is in the eye of the beholder. For every 1 person who calls the iPhone innovative, you will find 3 who can't stand it's narrow-endedness. RIM had been beating Apple to death for years until Android came out, at which point Android decimated both of them equally. You will never find a consensus on innovation because it's a person-by-person debate.
Yes, I would certainly hope that Lion installs on a 3 year old Mac :) As for Lion itself, I think the lackluster reviews and poor performance by 3/4 of the Mac community speaks for itself. A colossal disappointment.
Mac Pros, yes . Everything else, not really, nor recommended. In order to swap out an iMac's hard drive, you have to remove the entire screen. NOT something I would feel comfortable doing more than once, if ever. You must keep in mind that Apple doesn't want customers to upgrade, EVER. It is a threat to their gravy train. That is why they charge such ridiculous prices on RAM and other components, because they want people to buy new Macs 2 years down the road.
Difference between a Mac And a PC, Mac... They say their downloads are usefull, but your macs GB space is too small to hold 2 pixels. PC, Expandable GB to 48.
Pc's suck.Yea im a mac user. I also don't get viruses and i don't have to hit ctr alt del to see the programs running. i don't have a shit ton of background programs running every time i start up the computer. i don't have to clean/defrag my mac either....o yea i got garage band!
You wouldn't know if you had a virus, got hacked, or had a malware intrusion due to Apple's bad security and exploitable OS. Most of these don't require ROOT access. Read the book "Enterprise Mac Security: OSX Snow Leopard" written by Apple employees who are speaking out about how threatened Macs are to viruses, hacking and malware. As for background programs, you can pick and choose which ones you want to run. Windows gives you that ultimate freedom.
@MrSheepyBit with macs you dont need to upgrade every year since its still faster than pcs. right now my mac is faster then my gaming pc. Mac has a 2410m @ 2.3ghz vs i5 750 quad @ 3.01ghz. im actually upgrading my pc every year just keep my brother happy and fast enough to use. and parts are damn expensive. id rather spend $1300 on a mac, then buying a $700 pc then another $700 on upgrade parts.
If that is true, then why did the 2011 iMac ($1999) get completely obliterated in an IGN benchmark test against a $1000 PC? Why does Apple benchmark Macs against last year Macs? Why is CNET reporting incessant lag on OSX, while Windows 7 breezes by at peak performance? Why is Windows outdoing OSX at heavy rendering and graphic-intensive programs and games? Either your PC has something wrong with it, or you're imagining things.
The problem isn't that Macs aren't good--it's just that Macs are generally specifically good in a certain area. While that's helpful for media students, most people don't really need that sort of technology, and just want to write documents, powerpoints, etc. In their case, there's really no point spending so much more money for a Mac when a PC would work just as well.
You're partially right. Macs do nothing better than a PC. Any myths to the contrary are simply that:myths. They are easier to use, but that is a drawback. I love the freedom and versatility to do that with my OS which I please....something Macs are incapable of. But everything from photo editing, to video editing, to VFX composition, sound editing, music compositions, games, office work, it's all done better on PC. Macs aren't terrible. But they are in 2nd place.
@MaestroDraven You seem very delusional. You most likely never tried a Mac. All of that is done better on a PC? Sure, MAYBE, and that's a big maybe, for the first 5 minutes of using it. But once you download a few programs, and Windows starts trying to run too many programs at once, Mac blows Windows out of the water. Not to mention whenever you start up a PC Windows tries to tell you what programs to run by opening up all these processes that slow down performance.
2) Benchmarks have proven that OSX has only a miniscule lead in multitasking performance, including CNET's own head-to-head run. At high-end pipelining and rendering, it loses...badly, to Windows 7.
3) Those programs you mention can be switched on and off to your heart's content in under 20 seconds by using the MsConfig tool. It is there for you to customize what you want to start with your computer.
@linkerlinlink "Not to mention whenever you start up a PC Windows tries to tell you what programs to run by opening up all these processes that slow down performance."
Really? Because I have a PC that, on it's first day, I have bogged down with the entire Adobe CS5.5 Master Collection, as well as various other programs, all whilst running Malwarebytes & MSE in the background.
My start up time (on a NON-SSD) is 32 seconds. My i7 2670QM, during average use, never hits above 15%
The funny thing about this video is Mac is supposed to be all innovation, yet here they poke fun at Windows for designing an OS that has greater hardware requirements. If we followed that logic, we'd all be running on 8 bits and using CRT monitors.
The most ironic part about this is that during a CNET head-to-head between Snow Leopard and Windows 7, Snow Leopard suffered constant lagging and the spinning beachball. Windows 7 was breezing along without so much as a hiccup. For a supposedly streamlined and "advanced" OS, Snow Leopard did a very poor job of utilizing its hardware. I'd like to say it has something to do with Apple filling their Macs with 2 year old technology, but it shouldn't have mattered.
I like how people have nothing better to do than argue about what type of computer is better...If you like PCs better, great. If you like Macs better, also great. Why get into pointless debates? There's always going to be people who prefer PCs and people who prefer Macs.
i have a Mac and i like it, others have a PC and like it, why is their this huge debate? your not gonna change somebody's opinion by arguing, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however it is annoying when people say bad things about something that they don't understand or haven't used before.
@M8Tty1694 exactly y would ppl say they hate something when they haven't used it bfore? I used a PC but its just not the kind of thing for me, I dont like business, and a mac is just for me, and im not a gamer either so i dont need a PC. A PC is good for offices and gamer. But if you're lookin to edit photos and just be creative and casual, get a MAC! I can't say that i hate PC, it's just not the kind of thing for me.
@Somewon951 Yes! Thank you i completely agree, I mean I go to college and study media and we use macs there everyday and everyday the rest of my classmates always make jokes saying i hate macs etc. I ask them why and its always the same answer 'I just do' thats not an answer. im happy for people to say they do or dont like something but when they argue and hate about something they havent used its pointless, and me as a media student i think macs are way easier to use than PC's but thats just me
@M8Tty1694 I agree with you, but I guess the familiarity of a PC or their will to go with the flock is what restrains them from giving an answer. In all reality, I like both. However, I prefer the PC (Yes, I have used both).
@M8Tty1694 I'm also a media student, and Macs are nothing but a nightmare for anyone that's serious about anything retaining to the VFX field. Macs simply lack the raw horsepower t get things done. at my college, we have Macs outfitted with FC7 and HP-Z400's outfitted with Avid 5.5. As much as I hate Avid, I find myself gravitating towards that, rather than the mess that is the Mac Pros there.
But, much like you, it's a personal stance I take.
@AndrewDeLong i dont want to get involved in some kind of debate about this but i think power depends on what mac you buy, for example my mac at home was about £700 and runs ok :) but ones at college are incredibly fast but we are upgrading the macs to better and faster ones soon. but like i say thats my opinion, i just think they are designed and work better for media and thats why i like them because media is the main thing i use my computer for
@M8Tty1694 And without degrading into a debate, I can see where Macs are good for media. But PC's are just as good, by my own experience. In fact, when I'm running After Effects or Avid (or, preferably, Premiere Pro) PC's usually tend to work better for me.
As for power, it comes down to the power to cost ratio. Macs have a notoriously low power to high cost ratio, and PC's have a High power to low cost ratio.
Ex. a $2300 MacBook Pro is only ALMOST as powerful as my $1500 laptop
Just for fun I priced out a 27" iMac with 16GB of RAM and what else I thought would be necessary for a mid-range rendering and media workstation. End price? $3975. I priced out a same specc'ed PC with a much better video card, a 256GB SSD drive, and a more powerful motherboard with twin 24" ML238 ASUS monitors and the cost was $1900.
@MaestroDraven I've done the same thing. Actually, my $1500 custom Laptop (X6-9500 notebook from Cyber Power - through MSI) can easily go head to head with a $2300 15" MacBook Pro. And considering I'm running dual Hybrid Drives, and a 1.5Gb GTX 570M card, it can most likely beat it.
Matter of fact, a 21.5" iMac at $1700 JUST matches or beats my $1500 laptop.
Correct. Of all Apple's computers, the Macbook is single-handedly the most notoriously overpriced one of the bunch. Even though I have never even remotely contemplated buying one, I am still insulted every time I see the price tags.
@MaestroDraven I don't take insult to those prices actually. I take pity on the people that actually buy them.
One poor fellow at my college has a 17" MacBook Pro that's decked out to the limit. The best CPU/RAM in the 2010 model (so, a CPU/RAM setup from 2008). During the last week of this semester he plugged in his firewire incorrectly. He effectively killed his OSX partition, & is forced to use windows.
So, he has a Win 7 Machine that costs 2x more than it should.
Exactly the point. No matter what model,a Mac is merely a half-powered PC with one-quarter software compatibility. The phrase "Macs can run Windows too" should be a source of extreme embarrassment for an Apple customer, not a plus. Essentially, the customer has overpaid by a huge margin for a machine that can't overtake its cheaper, faster PC counterpart, and must rely on a dual-boot config to achieve the software compatibility that Windows has automatically.
I also dual-boot Mint and Windows 7, but not because I have to. For me, Mint is a side distraction. Something to play around with, just like my paralleled OSX. I still do everything on W7. As for Apple and Microsoft, well, I believe it was a stipulation when Microsoft bailed Apple out of bankruptcy back in 1997. Anything that puts Windows on a computer is bound to have Microsoft's support.
@MaestroDraven It's too bad it's not a two way street. When I fiddle with the iMacs at college (hell, they've been payed for by past students tuition, so they're all but free to me, so, I figure, why not), I actually do like OSX. Don't get me wrong, it still feels like it's trying to appeal to someone that only knows how to work out the finer points of an abacus...but it's kinda like Ubuntu to me. Fun & neat.
Too bad Apple only allows it on their machines. *goes to Ubuntu*
Microsoft didn't bail out Apple. They invested 150million dollars as part of a bigger deal that involved a copyright lawsuit, patent sharing and Microsoft software for Mac.
150million was not all that much money back then. (Apple Inc. in 1997 had a market cap of around 2.3billion. Annual revenue 7 billion.)
Apple went from making a loss of something like 1.8billion over the course of 1996 and 1997 to making a healthy profit of more than 300million in 1998.
The 150million from Microsoft were no chickenfeed, but they were inconsequential to the survival of Apple.
My friend, 1996 was a nightmarish, horrible year for Apple, and 1997 saw the company 90 days away from declaring full bankruptcy (source: Steve Jobs himself). Every single industry expert in the business said the same thing: that 150 million from Microsoft saved Apple. You can deny it until the cows come home. You'll be wrong. Microsoft bailed Apple out and saved them from bankruptcy. Downplaying their involvement is a useless gesture.
Actually, they brought Steve Jobs back to turn Apple around. What did he do the whole time? Tried to get everyone to port their programs to Rhapsody, saying it was the future. The result? They all ported........to Windows. Everyone got fed up with Steve Jobs, who wasn't in it for Apple. He was looking for an excuse to bolster NeXT. When he realized he was "up shit creek" as you say, he made the deal with Microsoft.
@MaestroDraven and here we come full swing back to the term obtuse. you are so blind to notice that history rarely repeats itself, and that mac marketshare is only going to increase, not stay the same. i will freely admit that Apple do make some make some mistakes, and Microsoft some good ideas, but you, you stay as stubborn as a mule and stick by this 'MS rules, Apple suck' crusade of yours. hence, obtuse.
@MaestroDraven i didn't, as you call it, 'farm' the good ones. i picked 20 random sites from a google search of 'OSX Lion review'. and yet you pick one measly little comment from CNET. No wonder why i think you are a total a***
Oh, and I told you to go check the Mac forums. I never said I visited CNET only for a Lion review. Either you didn't read correctly, or you're terrified of taking on my challenge which I posted to you yesterday. Seriously, don't put words in my mouth. It just drives your reputation down even more.
@MaestroDraven you based your argument about OSX's stability purely on a comment on CNET. you are the one putting the words i my mouth. and i said Apple innovated the mouse. i know the word is similar, and a person with such a low IQ (IE you) may have difficulty differentiating the two. You, my friend, need to arm yourself with some common sense and also something to hang between your legs, as there currently appears to be nothing.
@MaestroDraven also, i may add that a so-called "distinct lack of knowledge about computers" is hardly a hindrance in both this farce of a debate and deciding for oneself whether they prefer Macs or PCs. Thank you, goodnight.
@MaestroDraven the problem with you is you take the most menial event from Apple's history, something that many other companies have done over the centuries, and somehow twist it in your mind into some major scandal. First, it was bankruptcy, then dropping a platform, and now dropping an OS. Every computer company does at least one of these now and again. Lions a failure? look at Vista. dropping an OS? look at Sony's XMB. it's pathetic for an argument. Here's a challenge: make a better point!
@MaestroDraven Now lets face it, if your farcical facade of 'intelligence' actually holds water, neither of us are going to get anywhere in this. People have tried for 30-odd years, and have returned unsuccessful. I prefer Macs, you prefer PCs, and personally i am fast becoming weary, tired and uninterested in hearing this Mac vs PC bollocks. and your emails of exaggeration and posts of prefabrication are fast filling my multiple inboxes. I'm calling it a day, so farewell!!!
InhabitantOfOddWorld: "Look at innovation over the whole course of Apple's history. Without them, you wouldn't have a mouse, an LCD display, or even a case."
So according to you.....Apple invented the mouse, LCD displays, and computer cases....and you're talking to me about a "farcical facade of intelligence?"
This conversation is now over. And you PMed me first, dude :) I just educated you properly.
Next time, research first. Don't make grandiose claims and then call them fact, and expect not to be taken down a peg. I'll be standing right there in wait.
@MaestroDraven if you are going to make a point based on quotes, aggregate them like i did rather than pick one and somehow in your fairytale laalaa land assume the argument is then deflated
Fairytale La la land? You're getting a silly. Please stay mature. I know it's very hard to keep from acting like a child, but you can do it if you try.
I suppose the fact that you said Apple invented the mouse doesn't have anything to do with your distinct lack of knowledge about computers. Remember that? I've still got the PM from you :) You need to arm yourself with knowledge, not conjecture.
@MaestroDraven how is MS bailing apple out in any form of support for MS? During the recession, many countries bailed out Greece and Italy, among many others. Does that mean those countries are terrible? no. and going back to the previous statement of price= quality, meat is a prime example. cheap meat will have poorer cuts over more pricier ones. point inflated.
@MaestroDraven when he 'bolstered' NeXT, he had been fired from Apple. so of course he wasn't in for a company he was no longer a part of. point deflated.
Wrong again. Steve Jobs was working FOR Apple during this time. The entire time, he wasn't trying to push Mac OS. He was pushing Rhapsody. Rhapsody is part of NeXT. Jobs had a hidden agenda, and when he realized it wouldn't work, he switched his tune. This is common knowledge.
@MaestroDraven ok, so you've made a point. over the past several weeks of this petty squabble, you've reasoned PCs have a better hardware. Now, lets looks at OS, shall we? summary: Microsoft makes an OS to be compatible with computers from over a dozen manufacturers. Apple: makes an OS that is tailored to the hardware on a Mac. Conclusion: Which is more stable? OSX. Which is easier to use? OSX. Which doesn't decide of its own accord if its going to send you up shit creek without a paddle? OSX.
Well, let's see. CNET reported equal stability between OSX and Windows 7, giving them a tie, so......that deflates that argument. OSX will kernel panic the same amount of times as Windows 7 will bluescreen. Only difference is, a bluescreen will tell what's wrong. A kernel panic won't. Now comes diagnosis. Best of luck. As for ease of use, it's more "holding your hand." I prefer maximum freedom over what I do with my OS.
Perhaps, but who are they to know otherwise? Only the technically efficient and inclined really understand just how devious, nonfactual and shady these ads really were. Apple did a great job of using convenient half-truths to market the Mac. Meanwhile, Pwn2Own is showing the entire world that Macs are the world's most poorly secured computers. Microsoft could have used that in their ads, but instead they took the noble route and happily admitted, "I'm a PC." Gotta' LOVE that!
i once had a virus i infected on purpose. every time you would right click the mouse a ghost picture would pop up and he would be smiling. he would say "boo loves you" or "boo misses you". that was a fantastic virus. i miss it :(
Well atleast after i've "So badly harmed my computer trying to upgrade the OS" i'll get MORE features rather than LESS features than there were before, like Lion did.. Oh the life of having a pc is sooo difficult. Excuse me while i go play Bad company 2.
Oh Shut up bloody Mac user....I know this was made by a F**K**N mac user..>I upgraded my to Windows Vista, now to Win 7 and didn't go thru any of tht junk tht the PC guy was talking about...ALL FALSE INFO !!
@smartdon007 It's true. Vista is not as good as win7 but it wasn't unusable. The only things I had trouble with was Vista's constant hard drive accessing, slowdown of the system during startup, and just a bit more fuss with wireless than win7
Vista still supports the use of current drivers. It supports all current software. It supports DirectX 11. It's still as secure as Win7 after updates.
I am industry standard for Television broadcasting and Recording Studios. If you like games that screw your memory over, please keep using a PC. Unlike PCs, I don't crash and I don't take hours to load programmes. PC users are simply jealous that they can't afford me so they settle for cheap windows systems.
My OS is the world standard for computing. If you like outrageous prices for underpowered, 5-year old hardware, (Core 2 Duo, 2006) the Mac is yours.
Unlike Macs, I conform to your specification. You want a computer enough to split the sky? $3000; I'm your man. Am I cheap now? You just wanna check your E-mail? $350. I'm there too.
Mac users don't understand that a PC is like a car. It needs maintenance, and driving into bad parts of town on the net will get you messed up.
@cellphonelightsaber thats what i always say, when i gotta work on other people pc's there is always fucking registary cleaners and anti virus and emotcon and casino shit on start up, 99% of pc issues are user error, thats why i always say if your tech savy get a pc, if your fucking retarted get a mac becuase there is nothign you can do with therefore no way to break the damn thing
@raran44 i have not had a virus since 2008, there is no need for anti virus these days if your not retarted, if you walk ina bad part of town yuor gonnaget beat up, same with viruses, all you need is a little common sence and it will never be an issue
@cellphonelightsaber "5 year old harware" the industry is constantly changing/upgrading, pal. Everything on my MacBook is up to date as of September 2011, aka the present.
@raran44 Orly? What model is your MacBook? I have a suspicion it's not toting a Sandybridge Core i3/i5/i7. Apple would absolutely clean you out if you wanted one of those. If it's not a Sandy, you're probably using the Arrandale Core i3/i5/i7 from 2010. If not that, then it's the Core2 series, anywhere from 2008 to 2006.
@raran44 i record shit, i use a pc, games that screw over your memory? that doesnt make sence, oh well if it breaks i can go out and get 8 gigs of ddr3 1600mhz for 70AUD while you mac users gotta pay hundereds for generic branded memory, i have not ahd one blue screen since 2008, and the program on my computer that takes the longest to open is itunes, smiley fucking face
@jpollorena And gaming on a PC is like trying to shoot down an F-15 using a Sopwith Camel. Welcome to the console age, enjoy your stay (and your 2.7% market share)!
@TeamLeftmatch777 I find nothing wrong with your argument because you compared two computers of the same price. Most people compare cheapo pc's to expensive macs. But your argument is also not related to mine. I was just saying that this commercial is backwards because it is a benefit for PC's to be upgraded.
@Corundem Well i bought a £1,400 MacBook Pro and i've had it now nearly 3 years and its still faster then most of the £700 - £800 PC's when you've gotta upgrade I save in the long-run
No, you don't. Of all of Apple's computers, Macbooks are the most notoriously outdated and slow. Instead of comparing it to a cheap $700 PC, compare it against it's equivalent laptop. The 17" Macbook Pro costs an upwards of $2499, and is easily bested by laptops from ASUS and MSI which offer clearly superior machines in every department, from build quality, to horsepower, to warranty. To match an $1899 G-series ASUS laptop, the MBPro would cost over $3000.
@Corundem lol a graphics card alone cannot really do anything for you because you need other compartments to actually be able to do something with that graphics card and to take full advantadge of that graphics card you A: have to have a high res screen. B: have other components that can actually fully support the graphics card and so eventually it'd quite expensive (not quite as expensive as most mac's but still)
yea. geta pc and you can upgrade it get a mac and have a slow computer forever or buy a brand new one everytime something new comes out and waste a shit ton of money
idiot apple fanboys will always be idiot apple fanboys, the day you stop buying over priced junk from apple and start building your own powerhouse desktop is the day you'll finally open your eyes and brain and will finally ask yourself why you wasted so much money on shitty apple products, but i will give Apple props on is that their laptops is pretty good slim and does a good job and that is all only their laptops as for desktop they absolutely sucks.
Now that's a creative argument, Mac > PC because you can upgrade a PC? hmmm okay.
RdMrcr 1 hour ago
Well macs are great, but I would love to occasionally upgrade my graphics card. So in that regard this commercial is controversial in that surgery is a great thing.
drcmaysV2 14 hours ago
Hi I'm a mac.
It's cheaper and less time consuming to buy a new mac (which says a lot since i cost as much as a car) than to upgrade me.
Hi i'm PC, if you're not a 12 year old moron, i can become renewed every 3 years for a quarter of the price you bought me for.
fuck all of you hipsters... all mac does is restrict innovation. the entire internet is potential to evolve the capability of your pc, apple wants to make sure only apple can do it. And it will not be free... so yeah
behemuth 2 days ago
Ye, with Apple it's a lot easier, just throw your old computer out the window and buy a new one...
elasticweed 3 days ago
! My Mac just froze and crashed! OH NO! WOE IS ME! I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A PC!!!!
emptyhate 4 days ago
Since when do you need to change your graphic card to change your os?
Dummy838 4 days ago
Is this actualy a official ad?
taihonghong 5 days ago
That's Matthew Farrell isn't it? :D Or should I say Justin Long? :D
FoldagerDK 1 week ago
@FoldagerDK just saw that movie a week ago also.
bxvcas 6 days ago
@bxvcas movie??
taihonghong 5 days ago
pffft
SebastianZHD 1 week ago
I hope most of you realise this is more windows vs Mac? You do realise that a Mac uses Intel Processors and Radeon graphics? Which uhmm pc's use. I'd personally rather buy a BADASS alienware laptop or Desktop and run macos on it than buy a mac. They are way more expensive and you get a lot less performance numbers from them. Though I must admit, they are so pwetty!
Poepolos 2 weeks ago
@Poepolos Hahaa! Alienware is just as much of a waste of money! Go build one or get someone else to build a gaming pc :P
xCraigMassiex 1 week ago
@xCraigMassiex It's hard to build laptops.
bendikn 1 week ago
@Poepolos a bad ass alien ware will cost you around 1 and a half grand
SweptOutToSea 1 week ago
Heh, some of these are really untrue or they only pertain to the "special" computer users, but that doesn't mean they aren't hilarious as hell XD
sensitivebeat 3 weeks ago
I have a PC now and thinking about getting a macbook pro. My only problem with the pcs it is a big issue is viruses. I had privacy protection virus which block me out of everything. I could not even run my anti virus software to kill it. I had to go to my other account on PC to kill it. I can't run my sims 3 now on my pc
sweetheart2109 1 month ago
So you can upgrade a PC, do a surgery and can even do it yourself. Buy your own parts and hardware and install them yourself. Do that on a mac and I'd like to see someone try.
EveningTides 1 month ago
You're kidding right??? Macs have the crappy 6 year old hardware where as pc are always being updated.... Macs just suck, anybody that disagrees obviously can't use a computer and lacks any hardware knoledge.
InnocentEvil109 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven your so-called "transparent myth" doesn't work for everything. Look at food, a higher price often indicates richer ingredients. Cars. A higher priced one often has more features and comforts. I'm sorry, but your realisation only actually works in a handful of situations. While the number of features to added price might be often wrong, it is still very much a truth.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
I'm sorry, I just missed your comment after 6 days, but I had to laugh. You've been duped by the marketing machine. A higher price indicates richer ingredients? I suppose a $7.00 box of frosted flakes is of higher nutritional content than the $3.50 box of no-name frosted flakes? Either way, my point went straight over your head. I'm so sorry.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven what you also need to realise is that, when Apple says their OS is the best, theyre not lying exactly, but marketing. Granted, it might not appeal to everyone, but they are certainly not going to say its crap!
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven sales have never ever reflected the quality. Look at anything in the market. Food, drink, cars, insurance, etc. it's all the same everywhere. The Fiat Panda has sold more units than the Bentley Brooklands, that doesn't mean it's a better car. So don't post some bullshit argument that is never true anywhere
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
You're very right about that. But the opposite also holds true. When Apple claims a superior OS, superior build quality and superior performance, it's lying through it's teeth on all three counts. For every Apple claim, there's a half-truth masking it. Ask yourself why Nissan and Honda created the Infiniti and Acura badges for the western world. Is it due to enhanced quality? Why are they not sold in Japan?
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
You need to start realizing that over here, the myth of higher price tag in relation to quality is a hollow, transparent myth. It was adopted because the western world is very easily fooled by their own burning need to keep up with the Jones'es. Apple isn't a bad company. But they're certainly no better than anyone else, and the class action lawsuits and bold-faced lies are indisputable proof of that. Arguing it is pointless. You can't.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
them mac ppl be trollin XD
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surfs1man 1 month ago
@surfs1man same could be said for any online app/software distribution network.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
i have both and i use to think apple was so awesome but after a couple of years i see some flaws pc and macs are both in to make as much money as they can
surfs1man 1 month ago
'Upgrading Hardware'.... the very reason why PC gaming is shite. at least 6 yr old consoles can play up to date games. Lets see a 6 yr old PC do that!
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
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If you want to be a nerd gamer and make nerd upgrades then buy a PC. If you want a beautiful, reliable computer, buy a Mac. After I made the switch I don't see how there can even be debates.
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volunteernation16 1 month ago
upgrade ? haha we macs dont do those silly things. we just buy a whole new computer. silly pc's.
Mastermind12358 1 month ago 8
@Mastermind12358 hmm, yes, thats why i seem to remember my 3 yr old iMac installing OSX Lion. dumbass.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
WHOT, you can install the new apple os on a 3 year old mac ? amazing!.
idiot.
Mastermind12358 1 month ago
@Mastermind12358 how am i being idiotic, dipshit? are you disagreeing with me? let me put this straight: 3 YR OLD iMAC RUNNING OSX LION! OK? is that OK with you?!! Goes from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion. Simple. Or is it because your point is bullshit and you're getting pissy because i proved you're wrong? is that right, mr. Mac Hater? Or are you worried because a 3 yr old PC might not run Win7?
idiot.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
haha you mad ?
Mastermind12358 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Actually, Windows 7 will run on 8-year old single-core PCs with 2GB of first-gen DDR3 RAM will full Aero and effects turned on and still not suffer a lick of performance degradation. I've got four of them in my workplace as we speak.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven I'm not saying old PC's won't run Win7, I'm simply disproving the rumour that macs can't be updated. Also, i haven't seen any bad reviews of lion and would like you to expand on that, as i personally think its much better than snow leopard.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
I suggest you dig deeper. The Mac community has responded very poorly to Lion. Ask most Mac customers and they'll tell you the same thing: "Don't bother! It's not worth it!" Criticism has been heaped on Lion by professional reviewers for Lion adapting too much of an iOS flavor at the expense of versatility. So-called "new features" are desperate attempts by Apple to flaunt this new OS. Even Airdrop is a direct ripoff of Homegroup.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven i agree it has taken a lot of iOS influence, but how is it less versatile? few features have been removed, if any, so it can't be any less versatile than snow leopard. anyway, even if airdrop is a ripoff of Homegroup, many features are copied between the two: trash/recycle bin, dock/task bar etc, so is that even point relevant in a lion review?
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
It may not be. But the typical Apple response to most arguments is the "everybody copies Apple" card, which is funny in and of itself, since none of Apple's products are their own invention. As for less versatility, it's very true. Even secondary programs like Final Cut are being dumbed down to the rage and backlash of practically every Mac customer save but a few. Apple is trying to be trendy, and shooting itself in the foot.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven its not my typical response. even with being an Apple fan, i will gladly admit that Apple have done their own fair share of copying over the years. Also, i don't see how Lion is dumbing down 3rd party apps, like FC. And, i must strongly argue in favour of the iOS-esque features. Launchpad makes it, personally, far easier to find apps, and having owned an iPad, makes the gestures seem natural to use. While it does have drawbacks (Power PC), i find it far better than many say it is
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven also, when Apple says others have copied, its not the invention, its the innovation. For example, Apple redefined the mobile phone, not invent it. So if we say so-and-so has copied, its what Apple have done to that already existing product. Apple took the mobile and added apps. then, the whole industry adds apps. Apple release a new tablet, so every company releases their own version of a product that hasn't been on the market for over a decade.
InhabitantOfOddworld 1 month ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
If it redefined the mobile phone, then why haven't the sales ever matched it? Innovation is in the eye of the beholder. For every 1 person who calls the iPhone innovative, you will find 3 who can't stand it's narrow-endedness. RIM had been beating Apple to death for years until Android came out, at which point Android decimated both of them equally. You will never find a consensus on innovation because it's a person-by-person debate.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@Mastermind12358
Yes, I would certainly hope that Lion installs on a 3 year old Mac :) As for Lion itself, I think the lackluster reviews and poor performance by 3/4 of the Mac community speaks for itself. A colossal disappointment.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@Mastermind12358 That's why you suck.
thelittlesagg2 3 weeks ago
@thelittlesagg2
sarcasm. you heard of it ?
Mastermind12358 3 weeks ago
@Mastermind12358 Yes. I meant MACS. Not you. But good joke. Sorry, I don't have a really good sense of humor.
thelittlesagg2 3 weeks ago
@Mastermind12358 Yeah, silly us, saving all that money
TheLemonGrenade 3 weeks ago
So it's a bad thing you can upgrade your computer?
theM4ce 1 month ago
@theM4ce yes, it is for a Mac. as you have to buy a new One. :D
ZeldaSteinVideos95 1 month ago
WOW i so must buy a mac now,yes you did it,this game changed my mind!
TheSUBGAMER 1 month ago
At least you can do 'surgery' on a PC...
Soyerz 1 month ago 14
@Soyerz I think you missed the point.
MoreBoingPlox 1 month ago
Can you even upgrade Macs yourself?
joshkrz 1 month ago
@joshkrz
Mac Pros, yes . Everything else, not really, nor recommended. In order to swap out an iMac's hard drive, you have to remove the entire screen. NOT something I would feel comfortable doing more than once, if ever. You must keep in mind that Apple doesn't want customers to upgrade, EVER. It is a threat to their gravy train. That is why they charge such ridiculous prices on RAM and other components, because they want people to buy new Macs 2 years down the road.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
Difference between a Mac And a PC, Mac... They say their downloads are usefull, but your macs GB space is too small to hold 2 pixels. PC, Expandable GB to 48.
Damienasourus 1 month ago
@Damienasourus
Try 192GB on the Dell T7500. Apple simply cannot compare.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
Pc's suck.Yea im a mac user. I also don't get viruses and i don't have to hit ctr alt del to see the programs running. i don't have a shit ton of background programs running every time i start up the computer. i don't have to clean/defrag my mac either....o yea i got garage band!
dylpickle17 2 months ago
@dylpickle17
You wouldn't know if you had a virus, got hacked, or had a malware intrusion due to Apple's bad security and exploitable OS. Most of these don't require ROOT access. Read the book "Enterprise Mac Security: OSX Snow Leopard" written by Apple employees who are speaking out about how threatened Macs are to viruses, hacking and malware. As for background programs, you can pick and choose which ones you want to run. Windows gives you that ultimate freedom.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
no your just broke. its okay
MusicWeedandChicken 2 months ago
So wait, if I have a Mac running iOS4 and I want to upgrade to iOS10, there's no upgrades necessary? I never knew macs were that good. /sarcasm
Bozeema 2 months ago
@Bozeema no its called osx iOS is what the iPhones. and your kinda retarded thats like saying apple pie is terrible...even without trying it.
dylpickle17 2 months ago
At least PC can replace and upgrade parts, not have to buy a new computer every year :|
MrSheepyBit 2 months ago
@MrSheepyBit with macs you dont need to upgrade every year since its still faster than pcs. right now my mac is faster then my gaming pc. Mac has a 2410m @ 2.3ghz vs i5 750 quad @ 3.01ghz. im actually upgrading my pc every year just keep my brother happy and fast enough to use. and parts are damn expensive. id rather spend $1300 on a mac, then buying a $700 pc then another $700 on upgrade parts.
iamterence77 2 months ago
@iamterence77
If that is true, then why did the 2011 iMac ($1999) get completely obliterated in an IGN benchmark test against a $1000 PC? Why does Apple benchmark Macs against last year Macs? Why is CNET reporting incessant lag on OSX, while Windows 7 breezes by at peak performance? Why is Windows outdoing OSX at heavy rendering and graphic-intensive programs and games? Either your PC has something wrong with it, or you're imagining things.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
Pc guy comes back with a super charged bionic arm and mac guy has to get thrown away and replaced by another mac guy. Would've made a good ending.
Zompac 2 months ago
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@callofdutyquickscopz You get a life you nobend.
theliambell 2 months ago
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299nacho 2 months ago
The problem isn't that Macs aren't good--it's just that Macs are generally specifically good in a certain area. While that's helpful for media students, most people don't really need that sort of technology, and just want to write documents, powerpoints, etc. In their case, there's really no point spending so much more money for a Mac when a PC would work just as well.
CylindricalWhistle 2 months ago
@CylindricalWhistle
You're partially right. Macs do nothing better than a PC. Any myths to the contrary are simply that:myths. They are easier to use, but that is a drawback. I love the freedom and versatility to do that with my OS which I please....something Macs are incapable of. But everything from photo editing, to video editing, to VFX composition, sound editing, music compositions, games, office work, it's all done better on PC. Macs aren't terrible. But they are in 2nd place.
MaestroDraven 2 months ago
@MaestroDraven You seem very delusional. You most likely never tried a Mac. All of that is done better on a PC? Sure, MAYBE, and that's a big maybe, for the first 5 minutes of using it. But once you download a few programs, and Windows starts trying to run too many programs at once, Mac blows Windows out of the water. Not to mention whenever you start up a PC Windows tries to tell you what programs to run by opening up all these processes that slow down performance.
linkerlinlink 1 month ago
@linkerlinlink
1) I use Macs on a regular basis.
2) Benchmarks have proven that OSX has only a miniscule lead in multitasking performance, including CNET's own head-to-head run. At high-end pipelining and rendering, it loses...badly, to Windows 7.
3) Those programs you mention can be switched on and off to your heart's content in under 20 seconds by using the MsConfig tool. It is there for you to customize what you want to start with your computer.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@linkerlinlink "Not to mention whenever you start up a PC Windows tries to tell you what programs to run by opening up all these processes that slow down performance."
Really? Because I have a PC that, on it's first day, I have bogged down with the entire Adobe CS5.5 Master Collection, as well as various other programs, all whilst running Malwarebytes & MSE in the background.
My start up time (on a NON-SSD) is 32 seconds. My i7 2670QM, during average use, never hits above 15%
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
why are the top comments always pc fanboys? can u ppl get a life????
callofdutyquickscopz 2 months ago
GAMES?
MizilaOnRunescape 3 months ago
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firewave159 3 months ago
pc>mac
DjWade3734 3 months ago
The funny thing about this video is Mac is supposed to be all innovation, yet here they poke fun at Windows for designing an OS that has greater hardware requirements. If we followed that logic, we'd all be running on 8 bits and using CRT monitors.
cmommsen1 3 months ago
@cmommsen1
The most ironic part about this is that during a CNET head-to-head between Snow Leopard and Windows 7, Snow Leopard suffered constant lagging and the spinning beachball. Windows 7 was breezing along without so much as a hiccup. For a supposedly streamlined and "advanced" OS, Snow Leopard did a very poor job of utilizing its hardware. I'd like to say it has something to do with Apple filling their Macs with 2 year old technology, but it shouldn't have mattered.
MaestroDraven 3 months ago
I like how people have nothing better to do than argue about what type of computer is better...If you like PCs better, great. If you like Macs better, also great. Why get into pointless debates? There's always going to be people who prefer PCs and people who prefer Macs.
Kuku4Pie 3 months ago
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i have a Mac and i like it, others have a PC and like it, why is their this huge debate? your not gonna change somebody's opinion by arguing, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however it is annoying when people say bad things about something that they don't understand or haven't used before.
M8Tty1694 3 months ago 4
@M8Tty1694 exactly y would ppl say they hate something when they haven't used it bfore? I used a PC but its just not the kind of thing for me, I dont like business, and a mac is just for me, and im not a gamer either so i dont need a PC. A PC is good for offices and gamer. But if you're lookin to edit photos and just be creative and casual, get a MAC! I can't say that i hate PC, it's just not the kind of thing for me.
Somewon951 2 months ago
@Somewon951 Yes! Thank you i completely agree, I mean I go to college and study media and we use macs there everyday and everyday the rest of my classmates always make jokes saying i hate macs etc. I ask them why and its always the same answer 'I just do' thats not an answer. im happy for people to say they do or dont like something but when they argue and hate about something they havent used its pointless, and me as a media student i think macs are way easier to use than PC's but thats just me
M8Tty1694 2 months ago 9
@M8Tty1694 I agree with you, but I guess the familiarity of a PC or their will to go with the flock is what restrains them from giving an answer. In all reality, I like both. However, I prefer the PC (Yes, I have used both).
MajorGameage96 2 months ago
@M8Tty1694 I'm also a media student, and Macs are nothing but a nightmare for anyone that's serious about anything retaining to the VFX field. Macs simply lack the raw horsepower t get things done. at my college, we have Macs outfitted with FC7 and HP-Z400's outfitted with Avid 5.5. As much as I hate Avid, I find myself gravitating towards that, rather than the mess that is the Mac Pros there.
But, much like you, it's a personal stance I take.
I need power, & Macs lack it. Simple
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong i dont want to get involved in some kind of debate about this but i think power depends on what mac you buy, for example my mac at home was about £700 and runs ok :) but ones at college are incredibly fast but we are upgrading the macs to better and faster ones soon. but like i say thats my opinion, i just think they are designed and work better for media and thats why i like them because media is the main thing i use my computer for
M8Tty1694 1 month ago
@M8Tty1694 And without degrading into a debate, I can see where Macs are good for media. But PC's are just as good, by my own experience. In fact, when I'm running After Effects or Avid (or, preferably, Premiere Pro) PC's usually tend to work better for me.
As for power, it comes down to the power to cost ratio. Macs have a notoriously low power to high cost ratio, and PC's have a High power to low cost ratio.
Ex. a $2300 MacBook Pro is only ALMOST as powerful as my $1500 laptop
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong
Just for fun I priced out a 27" iMac with 16GB of RAM and what else I thought would be necessary for a mid-range rendering and media workstation. End price? $3975. I priced out a same specc'ed PC with a much better video card, a 256GB SSD drive, and a more powerful motherboard with twin 24" ML238 ASUS monitors and the cost was $1900.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven I've done the same thing. Actually, my $1500 custom Laptop (X6-9500 notebook from Cyber Power - through MSI) can easily go head to head with a $2300 15" MacBook Pro. And considering I'm running dual Hybrid Drives, and a 1.5Gb GTX 570M card, it can most likely beat it.
Matter of fact, a 21.5" iMac at $1700 JUST matches or beats my $1500 laptop.
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong
Correct. Of all Apple's computers, the Macbook is single-handedly the most notoriously overpriced one of the bunch. Even though I have never even remotely contemplated buying one, I am still insulted every time I see the price tags.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven I don't take insult to those prices actually. I take pity on the people that actually buy them.
One poor fellow at my college has a 17" MacBook Pro that's decked out to the limit. The best CPU/RAM in the 2010 model (so, a CPU/RAM setup from 2008). During the last week of this semester he plugged in his firewire incorrectly. He effectively killed his OSX partition, & is forced to use windows.
So, he has a Win 7 Machine that costs 2x more than it should.
A pity
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong
Exactly the point. No matter what model,a Mac is merely a half-powered PC with one-quarter software compatibility. The phrase "Macs can run Windows too" should be a source of extreme embarrassment for an Apple customer, not a plus. Essentially, the customer has overpaid by a huge margin for a machine that can't overtake its cheaper, faster PC counterpart, and must rely on a dual-boot config to achieve the software compatibility that Windows has automatically.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven Well, to be fair, there are those of us that also dual boot into a Linux based OS. Usually something like Mint or Ubuntu.
But then again, I dual boot out of want & fun. I have windows and don't NEED anything else.
Sadly, someone with OSX can't make the same claim. They usually NEED Windows for something OSX can't do.
God help them if MS ever takes that privilege away from the 95% of Apple drones, & the 5% of Apple customers that actually think for themselves.
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@AndrewDeLong
I also dual-boot Mint and Windows 7, but not because I have to. For me, Mint is a side distraction. Something to play around with, just like my paralleled OSX. I still do everything on W7. As for Apple and Microsoft, well, I believe it was a stipulation when Microsoft bailed Apple out of bankruptcy back in 1997. Anything that puts Windows on a computer is bound to have Microsoft's support.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven It's too bad it's not a two way street. When I fiddle with the iMacs at college (hell, they've been payed for by past students tuition, so they're all but free to me, so, I figure, why not), I actually do like OSX. Don't get me wrong, it still feels like it's trying to appeal to someone that only knows how to work out the finer points of an abacus...but it's kinda like Ubuntu to me. Fun & neat.
Too bad Apple only allows it on their machines. *goes to Ubuntu*
AndrewDeLong 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven
Microsoft didn't bail out Apple. They invested 150million dollars as part of a bigger deal that involved a copyright lawsuit, patent sharing and Microsoft software for Mac.
150million was not all that much money back then. (Apple Inc. in 1997 had a market cap of around 2.3billion. Annual revenue 7 billion.)
Molo9000 1 month ago
@Molo9000
No matter how you slice it, it was a bail-out :) Apple was on their last legs in 1997, and close to falling over the precipice.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven
Apple went from making a loss of something like 1.8billion over the course of 1996 and 1997 to making a healthy profit of more than 300million in 1998.
The 150million from Microsoft were no chickenfeed, but they were inconsequential to the survival of Apple.
Molo9000 1 month ago
@Molo9000
My friend, 1996 was a nightmarish, horrible year for Apple, and 1997 saw the company 90 days away from declaring full bankruptcy (source: Steve Jobs himself). Every single industry expert in the business said the same thing: that 150 million from Microsoft saved Apple. You can deny it until the cows come home. You'll be wrong. Microsoft bailed Apple out and saved them from bankruptcy. Downplaying their involvement is a useless gesture.
MaestroDraven 1 month ago
@MaestroDraven ohh, they went to bankruptcy. and who wasn't CEO? yeah, exactly. Apple has a sky high revenue now, and who IS CEO? yeah, exactly.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Actually, they brought Steve Jobs back to turn Apple around. What did he do the whole time? Tried to get everyone to port their programs to Rhapsody, saying it was the future. The result? They all ported........to Windows. Everyone got fed up with Steve Jobs, who wasn't in it for Apple. He was looking for an excuse to bolster NeXT. When he realized he was "up shit creek" as you say, he made the deal with Microsoft.
Learn your history.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven
Maestro. You. FUCKIN'. ROCK!!! you know your shit dude! AWESOME!!!
TheDarkMikado 3 weeks ago
@TheDarkMikado
Knowledge prevails. Conjecture fails. :)
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven having friend prevails (me). being a killjoy fails (you).
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven and here we come full swing back to the term obtuse. you are so blind to notice that history rarely repeats itself, and that mac marketshare is only going to increase, not stay the same. i will freely admit that Apple do make some make some mistakes, and Microsoft some good ideas, but you, you stay as stubborn as a mule and stick by this 'MS rules, Apple suck' crusade of yours. hence, obtuse.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven i didn't, as you call it, 'farm' the good ones. i picked 20 random sites from a google search of 'OSX Lion review'. and yet you pick one measly little comment from CNET. No wonder why i think you are a total a***
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Oh, and I told you to go check the Mac forums. I never said I visited CNET only for a Lion review. Either you didn't read correctly, or you're terrified of taking on my challenge which I posted to you yesterday. Seriously, don't put words in my mouth. It just drives your reputation down even more.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven you based your argument about OSX's stability purely on a comment on CNET. you are the one putting the words i my mouth. and i said Apple innovated the mouse. i know the word is similar, and a person with such a low IQ (IE you) may have difficulty differentiating the two. You, my friend, need to arm yourself with some common sense and also something to hang between your legs, as there currently appears to be nothing.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven also, i may add that a so-called "distinct lack of knowledge about computers" is hardly a hindrance in both this farce of a debate and deciding for oneself whether they prefer Macs or PCs. Thank you, goodnight.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven the problem with you is you take the most menial event from Apple's history, something that many other companies have done over the centuries, and somehow twist it in your mind into some major scandal. First, it was bankruptcy, then dropping a platform, and now dropping an OS. Every computer company does at least one of these now and again. Lions a failure? look at Vista. dropping an OS? look at Sony's XMB. it's pathetic for an argument. Here's a challenge: make a better point!
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven Now lets face it, if your farcical facade of 'intelligence' actually holds water, neither of us are going to get anywhere in this. People have tried for 30-odd years, and have returned unsuccessful. I prefer Macs, you prefer PCs, and personally i am fast becoming weary, tired and uninterested in hearing this Mac vs PC bollocks. and your emails of exaggeration and posts of prefabrication are fast filling my multiple inboxes. I'm calling it a day, so farewell!!!
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Your original PM to me is as follows:
InhabitantOfOddWorld: "Look at innovation over the whole course of Apple's history. Without them, you wouldn't have a mouse, an LCD display, or even a case."
So according to you.....Apple invented the mouse, LCD displays, and computer cases....and you're talking to me about a "farcical facade of intelligence?"
This conversation is now over. And you PMed me first, dude :) I just educated you properly.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Next time, research first. Don't make grandiose claims and then call them fact, and expect not to be taken down a peg. I'll be standing right there in wait.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven if you are going to make a point based on quotes, aggregate them like i did rather than pick one and somehow in your fairytale laalaa land assume the argument is then deflated
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Fairytale La la land? You're getting a silly. Please stay mature. I know it's very hard to keep from acting like a child, but you can do it if you try.
I suppose the fact that you said Apple invented the mouse doesn't have anything to do with your distinct lack of knowledge about computers. Remember that? I've still got the PM from you :) You need to arm yourself with knowledge, not conjecture.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven how is MS bailing apple out in any form of support for MS? During the recession, many countries bailed out Greece and Italy, among many others. Does that mean those countries are terrible? no. and going back to the previous statement of price= quality, meat is a prime example. cheap meat will have poorer cuts over more pricier ones. point inflated.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven when he 'bolstered' NeXT, he had been fired from Apple. so of course he wasn't in for a company he was no longer a part of. point deflated.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Wrong again. Steve Jobs was working FOR Apple during this time. The entire time, he wasn't trying to push Mac OS. He was pushing Rhapsody. Rhapsody is part of NeXT. Jobs had a hidden agenda, and when he realized it wouldn't work, he switched his tune. This is common knowledge.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
@MaestroDraven ok, so you've made a point. over the past several weeks of this petty squabble, you've reasoned PCs have a better hardware. Now, lets looks at OS, shall we? summary: Microsoft makes an OS to be compatible with computers from over a dozen manufacturers. Apple: makes an OS that is tailored to the hardware on a Mac. Conclusion: Which is more stable? OSX. Which is easier to use? OSX. Which doesn't decide of its own accord if its going to send you up shit creek without a paddle? OSX.
InhabitantOfOddworld 3 weeks ago
@InhabitantOfOddworld
Well, let's see. CNET reported equal stability between OSX and Windows 7, giving them a tie, so......that deflates that argument. OSX will kernel panic the same amount of times as Windows 7 will bluescreen. Only difference is, a bluescreen will tell what's wrong. A kernel panic won't. Now comes diagnosis. Best of luck. As for ease of use, it's more "holding your hand." I prefer maximum freedom over what I do with my OS.
MaestroDraven 3 weeks ago
This video is a lie , because I installed Windows 7 on a computer that only had 512mb of ram and it worked perfect.
maw88ify 3 months ago
mac sucks
wakaphwap 3 months ago
Get a R.I.P (MAC) or Get a life (PC)?
TheMesteryMachine 3 months ago in playlist Get a Mac or Get a PC?
Is 'MAC' the gay guy from zak and miri make a porno?
bgnxtdr 3 months ago
R.I.P Steve Jobs
moreeso 3 months ago
R.I.P.
IRNatman 4 months ago
I love how most of these commercials are blatant lies. And, the funny thing is that the consumer believes it.
piratesmvp 4 months ago
@piratesmvp
Perhaps, but who are they to know otherwise? Only the technically efficient and inclined really understand just how devious, nonfactual and shady these ads really were. Apple did a great job of using convenient half-truths to market the Mac. Meanwhile, Pwn2Own is showing the entire world that Macs are the world's most poorly secured computers. Microsoft could have used that in their ads, but instead they took the noble route and happily admitted, "I'm a PC." Gotta' LOVE that!
MaestroDraven 3 months ago
macs are better!
joeadzhiyev 4 months ago
@joeadzhiyev in what way?
wilhamlin 4 months ago
i once had a virus i infected on purpose. every time you would right click the mouse a ghost picture would pop up and he would be smiling. he would say "boo loves you" or "boo misses you". that was a fantastic virus. i miss it :(
scir91 4 months ago
Well atleast after i've "So badly harmed my computer trying to upgrade the OS" i'll get MORE features rather than LESS features than there were before, like Lion did.. Oh the life of having a pc is sooo difficult. Excuse me while i go play Bad company 2.
7SevenProductions0 4 months ago
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7SevenProductions0 4 months ago
Oh Shut up bloody Mac user....I know this was made by a F**K**N mac user..>I upgraded my to Windows Vista, now to Win 7 and didn't go thru any of tht junk tht the PC guy was talking about...ALL FALSE INFO !!
smartdon007 4 months ago
@smartdon007 It's true. Vista is not as good as win7 but it wasn't unusable. The only things I had trouble with was Vista's constant hard drive accessing, slowdown of the system during startup, and just a bit more fuss with wireless than win7
Vista still supports the use of current drivers. It supports all current software. It supports DirectX 11. It's still as secure as Win7 after updates.
cellphonelightsaber 4 months ago
macs rule case closed
legotech101 4 months ago
@raran44 too true :)
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xdroon3 4 months ago
Hi I'm a Mac.
I am industry standard for Television broadcasting and Recording Studios. If you like games that screw your memory over, please keep using a PC. Unlike PCs, I don't crash and I don't take hours to load programmes. PC users are simply jealous that they can't afford me so they settle for cheap windows systems.
raran44 4 months ago
@raran44
Hi, I'm a PC.
My OS is the world standard for computing. If you like outrageous prices for underpowered, 5-year old hardware, (Core 2 Duo, 2006) the Mac is yours.
Unlike Macs, I conform to your specification. You want a computer enough to split the sky? $3000; I'm your man. Am I cheap now? You just wanna check your E-mail? $350. I'm there too.
Mac users don't understand that a PC is like a car. It needs maintenance, and driving into bad parts of town on the net will get you messed up.
cellphonelightsaber 4 months ago
@cellphonelightsaber thats what i always say, when i gotta work on other people pc's there is always fucking registary cleaners and anti virus and emotcon and casino shit on start up, 99% of pc issues are user error, thats why i always say if your tech savy get a pc, if your fucking retarted get a mac becuase there is nothign you can do with therefore no way to break the damn thing
element271 4 months ago
@element271 You still need an antivirus? If you don't like viruses, then just get a Mac! Case closed.
raran44 4 months ago
@raran44 i have not had a virus since 2008, there is no need for anti virus these days if your not retarted, if you walk ina bad part of town yuor gonnaget beat up, same with viruses, all you need is a little common sence and it will never be an issue
element271 4 months ago
@cellphonelightsaber "5 year old harware" the industry is constantly changing/upgrading, pal. Everything on my MacBook is up to date as of September 2011, aka the present.
raran44 4 months ago
@raran44 Orly? What model is your MacBook? I have a suspicion it's not toting a Sandybridge Core i3/i5/i7. Apple would absolutely clean you out if you wanted one of those. If it's not a Sandy, you're probably using the Arrandale Core i3/i5/i7 from 2010. If not that, then it's the Core2 series, anywhere from 2008 to 2006.
The industry changes, yes. Apple charges extra.
cellphonelightsaber 4 months ago
@raran44 i record shit, i use a pc, games that screw over your memory? that doesnt make sence, oh well if it breaks i can go out and get 8 gigs of ddr3 1600mhz for 70AUD while you mac users gotta pay hundereds for generic branded memory, i have not ahd one blue screen since 2008, and the program on my computer that takes the longest to open is itunes, smiley fucking face
element271 4 months ago
@element271 "doesn't make sence" think you mean make SENSE. did your pc teach you how to misspell?
raran44 4 months ago
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Delgranoth 4 months ago
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Delgranoth 4 months ago
Id rather buy a $200 graphics card than a $2000 laptop...
Corundem 4 months ago 35
@Corundem my macbook has hd graphics and a fast processor and costed 1199$. I've seen pcs that do the same thing for the same price.
TeamLeftmatch777 4 months ago
@TeamLeftmatch777 I find nothing wrong with your argument because you compared two computers of the same price. Most people compare cheapo pc's to expensive macs. But your argument is also not related to mine. I was just saying that this commercial is backwards because it is a benefit for PC's to be upgraded.
Corundem 4 months ago
@Corundem Well i bought a £1,400 MacBook Pro and i've had it now nearly 3 years and its still faster then most of the £700 - £800 PC's when you've gotta upgrade I save in the long-run
TheBiggerByte 3 months ago
@TheBiggerByte
No, you don't. Of all of Apple's computers, Macbooks are the most notoriously outdated and slow. Instead of comparing it to a cheap $700 PC, compare it against it's equivalent laptop. The 17" Macbook Pro costs an upwards of $2499, and is easily bested by laptops from ASUS and MSI which offer clearly superior machines in every department, from build quality, to horsepower, to warranty. To match an $1899 G-series ASUS laptop, the MBPro would cost over $3000.
MaestroDraven 3 months ago
@MaestroDraven $2499 NO more like £1,400
TheBiggerByte 3 months ago
@TheBiggerByte
I don't know what the exchange rate is between american dollars and british pounds, but the 17" Macbook Pro starts at $2499.
MaestroDraven 3 months ago
@Corundem OMG there are macs for that price but no one buys those.
TeamLeftMatch 2 months ago
@Corundem lol a graphics card alone cannot really do anything for you because you need other compartments to actually be able to do something with that graphics card and to take full advantadge of that graphics card you A: have to have a high res screen. B: have other components that can actually fully support the graphics card and so eventually it'd quite expensive (not quite as expensive as most mac's but still)
rtownz251251 2 months ago
just enjoy the ads and don't argue about which is better.
hoboteacher 4 months ago
yea. geta pc and you can upgrade it get a mac and have a slow computer forever or buy a brand new one everytime something new comes out and waste a shit ton of money
OrangeSaint420 5 months ago
using a PC is like having a retarded man paint your bed. it doesnt even make sense bro
SkyIive 5 months ago
PC is funnier than that mac guy
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MacXAreBombX 5 months ago
hello im a PC, and im an elitist faggot
elchapetas 5 months ago
idiot apple fanboys will always be idiot apple fanboys, the day you stop buying over priced junk from apple and start building your own powerhouse desktop is the day you'll finally open your eyes and brain and will finally ask yourself why you wasted so much money on shitty apple products, but i will give Apple props on is that their laptops is pretty good slim and does a good job and that is all only their laptops as for desktop they absolutely sucks.
nganitup 5 months ago
Who gives a flying fuck if a mac or a PC is better anymore? It's all about the browsers now anyways.
Hachan002 5 months ago
yeah well to upgrade a mac you have to pay another $1500-$2500 for a new computer. in other words. THERE ARE NO UPGRADES.
maxyboyufo 5 months ago
with the mac u just throw it in the garbage and go spend a grand or two to get a new one
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