John Piper - Preaching defined

[luzelena1127]

super bueno, muchas gracias!!! un animo para cuando predico en las celulas!! thank you so much Pastor John Piper!

[JumpmanJRH]

"I do not aim to be immediately practical, but eternally helpful, and I am not relaxed. I am feeling myself in my soul on the brink of a precipice called eternity speaking to people anyone of whom might go over that edge at any moment. Ready or not, and I will be called to account for what I said there. That's what we mean by preaching."

-John Piper

[JumpmanJRH]

Wow, another great quote from this video:

"I do not aim to be immediately practical, but eternally helpful, and I am not relaxed. I am feeling myself in my soul on the brink of a precipice called eternity speaking to people anyone of whom might go over that edge at any moment. Ready or not, and I will be called to account for what I said there. That's what we mean by preaching."

-John Piper

[Phantomseeker293]

The only thing that I don't like about this point is that what he's really talking about is "Expository TEACHING."

The word in the NT that is translated "Preaching" is never used in reference to teaching believers, but only to spreading the gospel to unbelievers.

But, I believe, his description of expository TEACHING is still a good one. ^_^

[loudmouthspeaker]

must say exceptionial teaching and explanation.... havnt heard this sort of teaching for many years.....

[cheetoz64]

Great quote from video:

"The aim of that kind of expository preaching is to help you eat and digest biblical truth that will make your spiritual bones more like steel, and will double the capacity of your spiritual lungs, and will make the eyes of your heart dazzle with the brightness of the glory of God, and will awake the capabilities of your soul to experience kinds of spiritual joy you did not know existed."

- John Piper

[rdm0001]

You are right in this context, but the problem arises when you start talking about works.

It is a very confusing thing to say and write about because a Christian will have good works, even though they are not saved by works.

A man is justified by grace through faith, but faith that produces no works is dead and worthless, but at the same time someone that is doing works believes their faith to be true because they believe themselves to be doing something.

[rdm0001]

Oh, I watched it and it really just sounded, like Piper was saying that he was trying to take things back to a weird type of Covenant Theology.

His response was unclear. I would have liked to have seen something that Piper was prepared to answer because he wan't communicating very clearly.

He did say that he was making mistakes in his theology, and that he was wrong on some points. This is definately not enough for you to attack Piper as much as you have.

[rdm0001]

I didn't even know it was there until I looked around and tried to figure out what in the world you were talking about.

By the way you didn't answer me about the whole chapter about God granting Repentance. I am beginning to think that you did exactly what I thought you did and took one sentence out of a book and took it out of context.

[rdm0001]

He RedBeetle, yet again you need to get your facts together. You never told me to watch a video.

You told someone else to watch a video .

No, I am not mindlessly protecting John Piper, but it seems that you are mindlessly slinging mud at a man of God.

[rdm0001]

Now that we have shown that John Piper did not endorse the Federal Vision we will move along to the next point.

What did you think about the entire chapter in Future Grace devoted to God granting people repentance?

[Terri3210]

Preaching much empty words [such as this video displays} Or

Preach the Word with worth to all men;

EAT THIS AND HUNGER NO MORE "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

Belief must include trust that JesusSaves

Come to Jesus asking soul salvation & live eternal life in Him.

[fruitofspirit]

Beautiful.

[rdm0001]

I will tell you again, what the point of my last 2 posts have been if you would pay attention.

I will read what Piper said and get back to you. And I think you should look into this Federal Vision stuff some more because John Piper is not as far as I understand part of this Federal Vision stuff.

[rdm0001]

Don Garlington wrote a response to John Pipers book Counted Righteous in Christ: Should We Abandon the Imputation of Christ Righteousness?, entitled Imputation or Union with Christ: a Response to John Piper. John Piper Responds to Don Garlington on the Imputation of Righteousness. Garlington then responds Piper with the article Imputation or Union with Christ: A Rejoinder to John Piper

Point being Piper was writing against not for the Federal Vision.

[rdm0001]

I forgot to add this part

Don Garlington not John Piper is the Federal Visionist.

[EntinludeX]

So then we are all going to argue over the validity of scripture and not pay any attention to what words mean in the thesaurus...? I

nteresting powers of denial.

[rdm0001]

Oh and by the way, my point was I have read a lot of his stuff and heard a lot of his sermons and his reputation is good, but I will look at that when I get there. You have no reputation at all, so why would I start thinking something bad about John Piper because some You Tube theologian told me that he was bad.

I will read it and get back to you.

[vico100]

Excellent point.

[rdm0001]

I told you, if you would just pay attention. That I would get back to you after I read it.

[rdm0001]

I have not read that far yet, but I will and get back to you. I am sure you are taking something that he has said out of context because he has never said anything like this before. I have read a lot of his books and listened to a lot of his sermons and he never says anything like this.

[jonamachado]

John Piper is really famous among the young here in Brazil.

[churchwatch]

Thank you pastor for this preaching, and for your work in the rest of the sermon also.

[EntinludeX]

So then.... we're all just going to ignore that the supernatural is a synonym for magic in any given thesaurus?

[Studier101]

He brought up many of these Future Grace ideas in his seminar on Battling Unbelief. I watched one part of it and saw no inconsistencies.

By the way, he did not endorse N.T. Wright or Doug Wilson and he believes Limited Atonement but just thought that the Arminians are correct in one sense -- which they certainly are, but they want to twist the Scriptures and insist that John 3:16 says things that it just doesn't.

[RedBeetle]

Studier101,

John Piper publicly stated that N.T. Wright and Doug Wilson (two men who reject Justification By Faith Alone) are teaching the true Gospel. In the video "John Piper On Doug Wilson" you can see him publicly pronounce to everyone that Doug Wilson is not preaching a false gospel. He goes on to say that neither is N.T. Wright preaching a false gospel. Instead of mindlessly defending Piper, who taught himself justification by faith and works in his book "Future Grace," why not study?

[rdm0001]

I just began the book Future Grace and I am not very far into the book but it is not teaching justification by faith and works, but rather that works happen because of faith.

True faith is always accompanied by works.

[danullb]

Wrong.

Piper wrote a book "Counted Righteous in Christ" which argued against the "New Perspective on Paul."

"this wrath bearing, sin bearing work! This imputed, alien righteousness of Christ! Which I never could have performed in eternity... because I will always be sinful John Piper! There is no hope for acceptance with God in me and what I am. I must be clothed in an alien, imputed righteousness transparent in the presence of the glory of God!" -Piper sermon on Oct 6, 2003

Try again.

[vico100]

Huh whats wrong with that quote?

[danullb]

nothing is wrong with the quote. The Piper quote is great! (and thoroughly biblical.)

I was trying to demonstrate to RedBeetle, by using a great quote from Piper, that his opinion of John Piper's view of justification is inaccurate.

[therealdrag0]

Sooooo good.

[EntinludeX]

I don't suppose anyone here knows the difference between "supernatural" and"magic"? Hmm...Grab a thesaurus.

[billgrip]

Strongly agree. Sermon's shouldn't be about making people feel good, they need to be about spreading the word of God.

[bberchin]

There is one defining element of preaching that was left out here- the gospel. No sermon is a sermon without preaching Christ and the cross. One must preach Christ crucified and resurrected and call the hearer to repentence and belief. Without that it is not preaching.

[therealdrag0]

Good point bro, but be assured that Piper doesn't fail at that :)

[bberchin]

I'm sure he doesn't.

[princessmello]

So if someone doesn't directly preach the Gospel, it's not a sermon? If someone is preaching truthfully, everything is built on the Gospel, so it would be alluded to at the least, providing an unbeliever with some nugget that may draw them to ask further questions, but it may not necessarily be given a full 10-minute portion of the sermon in a traditional Gospel call. You don't think that's ok?

[bberchin]

I've heard sermons like you describe which were very powerful, so yes. As long as Christ and the cross is preached from the text.