I am tired of people thinking babies go to hell. Think about this. It says if any of you turn a child away from God youre going to hell, so obviously if you have to turn something it was something else in the first place right? Everyone knows that Jesus died for us and Jesus died for the babies who are aborted miscarraiged and what not. I am so tired of false preachers like youself who work for Satan. I pray for you.
@JoelTheCalvinist 13 And suppose a woman has a husband who is not a believer. If he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 The unbelieving husband has been made holy through his wife. The unbelieving wife has been made holy through her believing husband. If that were not the case, your children would not be pure and clean. But as it is, they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7
It appears that Babies go Heaven if at least one Parent is a believer until the can account for themselves.
13 And suppose a woman has a husband who is not a believer. If he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 The unbelieving husband has been made holy through his wife. The unbelieving wife has been made holy through her believing husband. If that were not the case, your children would not be pure and clean. But as it is, they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7
It appears that Babies go Heaven if at least one Parent is a believer until the can understand and account for themselves.
We are born in sin because our DNA is corrupted by generations of sin all the way to Adam. that is why we get old and die. But it is the act of sin the God counts against us.
@JoelTheCalvinist .. He (David) answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
babies don't go to hell, if they did why would Jesus say be like the small children.
We also know David went to heaven. God called him a man after my own heart.
If we look at 1 Cor.15 we see "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" So an ETERNAL hell cannot be so furthermore the greek for endless is ATELEUTETOS yet jesus used AIONIOS.
furthermore the wicked in Matthew 25 go to "aionios kolasis" which is greek for age-enduring PUNISHMENT/PRUNING, so utter destruction cannot be so, since the wicked are NOT nuked/destroyed utterly.
Eventually ALL will be saved- PLEASE SEE 1 Cor.15:22
If we look at 1 Cor.15 we see "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" So an ETERNAL hell cannot be so furthermore the greek for endless is ATELEUTETOS yet jesus used AIONIOS.
furthermore the wicked in Matthew 25 go to "aionios kolasis" which is greek for age-enduring PUNISHMENT/PRUNING, so utter destruction cannot be so, since the wicked are NOT nuked/destroyed utterly.
Eventually ALL will be saved- PLEASE SEE 1 Cor.15:22
we won't give an account for Adam's sin? we are already giving an account in the sense all humans since the original two (2) have no choice but to suffer for the curse put in place due the actions of Adam and Eve. i had a calvinist pastor tell me that he had a sister who drowned at four (4) years of age; furthermore, if she happened to be in Hell, then this was the best of all possible worlds according to his theology. was this his standard message for children's funerals? should have asked.
@JoelTheCalvinist thanks for the link. there is nothing new there that i can see--pretty standard calvinist view of original sin. i am not sure what you thought I was going to see; certainly nothing there to make me change any of my original remarks to this video. calvinists and arminians like to bang away at each other with videos and post texts on the internet, i guess thinking that they are going to convert droves of the "enemy" to their side--it doesn't happen. might alleviate boredom.
Bro. I'm a Calvinist and I'm begging you to stop making these videos until you've worked these things out in your mind a little more.
Making untrue, and misrepresentative statements about Arminianism is not how we prove our theology to be true.
I'd love to discuss this with you, as parts of this video are true, but overall you are incorrect, and grossly misrepresentative. You obviously don't have to listen, but I'd recommend you remove this video.
Arminians don't believe in true guilt from original sin. They do not believe that babies can be judged because babies have not sinned. Usually this ends up coupled with unsupported thoeries such as "age of accountability".
We SHOULD point out inconsistency in Arminian theology, in love. So we first show that we understand their position, then show the inconsistency in what they believe.
@JoelTheCalvinist and I've got to say, the opening 'shocking' statement, while I understand your intent, really does come off as insensitive and irreverent.
@leslanfear i am not sure that you honestly representing classical arminianism theology for one thing. i would have to do some research. your video here, has a distinct polemical tone to it. if you just like stirring the pot, i'd say your headed in the right direction with this effort. leslanfear's critique here is one that bears some consideration, regardless of your theological persuasion. babies/hell is a grabber, but I can't say that your video solved the problem or changed any minds.
1. What makes you so sure that you yourself are bound for heaven and not any of us?
2. What would your reaction be if come Judgment Day both of us were standing before God and it turns out God singled me out for salvation and not you?
3. If babies are damned from the moment they exit their mother's womb, would it not be reasonable if not merciful to abort them?
1. God's faithfulness to his promises. Though my being heaven-bound is not "so sure," I try to prove it everyday.
2. The same reaction anyone would have: despair.
3. We don't know if they are damned. But why deprive them of life? That would be merciful?
It seems that abortion would be a good case if all babies were saved coming out of the womb, because then they would all go to heaven instead of giving them the chance to ruin it with their lives.
There is something called The age of consent and in the Jewist religion it is 12 years of age. I was always told till the age of 12 yrs. a kid is saved on just being under the age 12 or under the Age of consent ! At the age of 12 you should know what is right and what is wrong. The court system uses this age as the Age of Consent to Put him to death for a crime or not. Look up " Age of Consent " .
All Jews go to heaven till the age of 12. Then decide your salvation or your own your own !
If You are A Calvinist predestinationist then I suggest You study The Mormons, I did Not say become A Mormon because I have reason to Think They are another false doctrine because for one thing They deny Yashua Is part of The Trinity The Creator. Right now the biggest Issue to take on Is They that say They Never sin & If We do then We are Not A true Christian & We are going to hell.
So now you wanna check out what the Bible says instead of what the Armenians claim? Are not Armenians Protestants like yourself? You said "God chooses babies to go to heaven"? (any biblical verses to back that up?) I don't think so.
Jesus compared those who are in the kingdom of heaven to the little children & that "..in heaven their angels (spirits) do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven" (MATT.18:10)
@leSavaii - Everyone, without exception, was a baby once. They ALL came from God, just like Jesus (in your logic). So since ALL people came from God as babies, they must ALL go to heaven.
Yes we were all babies, but now we're grown & we know good from evil, even the oppositions to all things...babies don't, so when they die young while still babies with purity in the eyes of God...they are automatically go back to where they came from...of course their spirits back to God who gave them. And as for us as grown-ups it's a completely different issue & you should know why...
I'm sorryI'm sure you've been jumped on 700,000 times before for this BUT that rom 9 quote doesn't make your point .. it's not saying what you said it says ..it takes a hard punch in the head to make it say what you're saying it does ..they did no good or bad cuz they weren't born yet ..PERIOD..
What happened to.... I don't know..
I know this is a thing you would rather never say ..but maybe this is what truth looks like ..admitting you don't know is evidence that you're not a hillbilly
@JoelTheCalvinist No joe you are saying they are born as babies and haven't done anything good or bad ..Paul is saying they ain't born yet ...so why are you saying that he is saying they are .. his point is ,, they aren't born yet and haven't done anything good or bad yet the doctrine of election is at work esau I hated jacob i love.. you aren't saying what paul says
There's probably a more relevant video for me to post these queries on, but oh well. My question is this: John 5:6: When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him," DO YOU WANT TO GET WELL?". (he probably didn't shout at the guy) Can this possibly imply that the will of man has anything to do with receiving his healing? How can man's wants or lack of wants influence anything or matter? They clearly mattered to Jesus.
@bluesette82 - Of course the man wants to be well. But Jesus rarely speaks something so plainly --- especially in John!
So Calvinists don't deny that man has a will -- we just agree with the Bible in saying that it is bad! "Whosoever wills may come" - Rev 22. We believe that, but the questions are, "Who wills?" and "Why do they will?"
@JoelTheCalvinist If the man wants to be well or not isn't the question. He's clearly in a deplorable state, but he has been so for quite some time if you look at the preceding verses. Why would Jesus ask him that? I don't know, I think I'm not expressing myself very well, I'm starting to feel frustrated.
@bluesette82 - Don't think about what Jesus was there to learn when Jesus asks a question. Think about what the man has to learn. Jesus commonly asks questions of people to show them things about themselves, to reveal something of himself, or to get a verbal confession of what he already knows is in the heart.
When Jesus asked Judas if he was betraying the Son of Man with a kiss, he wasn't seeking knowledge, he was teaching.
@JoelTheCalvinist Yes! I didn't think Jesus was trying to learn the man's wants, you can find a trillion other verses that will clearly show how Jesus perceives the heart with no apparent external clues. My question still stands, why would Jesus ask that to the man? what was the importance or significance of a question that places importance on what we want?
@bluesette82 - It's not so much an emphasis on his desires as it was a reflection of Jesus' mercy and power. No one asks that question unless they can heal you. Note, the man never said he wanted to be healed -- because obviously he did.
He was at the pool and couldn't save himself. These types of pictures are small narratives as to how Jesus saves us. Jesus presents the greatest gift and makes it happen. That man did nothing to deserve it except recognize his inability.
@bluesette82 - I don't mean to frustrate you. I do understand what you are asking. And I am in no way denying the relationship between man and God.
But what I am trying to do is present the balance of the other side -- we were not created for a relationship with God, we were created to be reflections of his glory. When we understand that first, we can move on to the relational aspects.
@JoelTheCalvinist So the answer to those questions would be, those who God wills to will will will? :) I'm putting this together with another post of yours, or maybe it was a message where you say that we're able to will when God changes our desires, or something similar. I'm finding this way of thinking almost within my grasp, but it's hard to digest. How did you get to a point to where you were able to understand/accept it?
@bluesette82 - "[T]hose who God wills to will will will?"
That's it!
The first understanding came when I realized that everyone acts according to their strongest desires. -- Always. Then I ask where do those desires come from? The Bible makes it clear that man before salvation desires only to sin. That means that man could never desire God because he only desires evil. Evil begets evil. To overcome that problem, Jesus made a way where there was no way. And I'm very thankful for it = Calvinism
@JoelTheCalvinist Why then, does it say that blaspheming against the H.S. is the unforgivable sin, I understand blaspheming to be rejecting grace when it's offered to you by Jesus, not just saying a swear word in the same sentence as the words "Holy Spirit", perhaps I'm mistaken, but if this is true, who could possibly reject grace in a Calvinistic mentality?
@bluesette82 - Blasphemy is a verbal thing. If you note the context in which Jesus says it, the Pharisees were saying that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of [Satan]. Jesus responds by saying basically, "Pump the brakes. You can blaspheme me and will be forgiven, but blaspheme the HS and it won't be. Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
Something to note here, the Pharisees knew that signs like this were from God. They were lying in their heart about the work of the HS. (cont)
@JoelTheCalvinist Still, I don't think some ignorant rebel 15 year old who blasphemes against the HS verbally isn't going to necessarily have a chance at salvation later on. Someone explained the blasphemy to me as being an actual rejection of the gift of the HS (grace), I thought that was more understandable.
Why the distinction between Jesus and HS, also? Why able to blaspheme one and not the other?
@bluesette82 - Right, I did that! Obviously God forgave what I did. I think one point that needs to be made is that the Pharisees knew in their hearts what was true and still spoke against it because of the hardness of their hearts.
I think the only person who could blaspheme the HS would be at least a nominal Christian. (Note Heb 6) They would have to know the truth and still suppress it.
Why the distinction? Not sure but it would seem more heinous because of his role as Comforter and Teacher
@bluesette82 - So it's speech that overflows from the heart.
In a Calvinistic mentality, there is nothing in the passage that even remotely suggests that blasphemy of the HS is in any way resistance to his work. Calvinist's don't believe that man can't resist the Spirit (since that happens all the time), we just believe that God will eventually overcome that resistance at some point for some people. (John 6:37)
Acts 17:24-28..Read it. Okay so it says that God puts us in these specific, limited times and places...why? So that man would SEEK him, and PERHAPS reach out for him and find him. So can we not understand that God is like a Dad, with his baby in a playpen, watching it to see if it giggles and smiles at him, or some other better analogy. Why can't there be a measure of freedom within God's sovereignty?
@bluesette82 - They have "dichotomous" views on top issues of salvation. That means they are mutually exclusive (can't be both) and they are exhaustive (there are no other options). For instance:
Who initiates salvation? Is it God alone or not God alone? Calvinism says God Alone, Arminianism says Not God Alone
@JoelTheCalvinist You have another video(don't remember which), in which you cite God hardening Pharoah's heart in Exodus. I just wanted to mention to you that there was at least one instance when Pharoah hardens his own heart. What does that mean to you as a Calvinist?
@bluesette82 - With a Calvinistic world view I have no problem saying that people harden their own hearts -- it happens all the time!
But since the Arminian view holds a "free will" and "resistible grace" standpoint, they have a hard time dealing with God hardening Pharaoh's heart.
For the record, Pharaoh hardened his own heart in the beginning (5 or 6 times) and God hardened Pharaohs heart at the end (5 or 6 times). Pharaoh was about to tap out, but God still had work to do.
@JoelTheCalvinist I don't understand the Armenian or the Calvinistic p.o.v., frankly. It makes more sense for God to have all the power, but why is it inconceivable to think of a God giving a certain measure of power to mankind? Otherwise it seems like some sort of chess game God is playing with Himself, or something to me. Why would that make sense?
@bluesette82 - A couple things here.. Calvinist don't deny that man has power, we just say that it is limited by what God limits it by. I can't decide to fly, I can't decide to live forever, I can't decide to not sin. This is because God has limited us. In this way, man does not have a completely free will.
The complaint of God playing chess with himself relies on a worldview where our decisions matter in the universe. Only God matters, that's why we were created -- so we could see what matters
@JoelTheCalvinist Could our decisions matter because they matter to God? Because He wanted it that way? You say created so we could see what matters, but why would that passage in Acts say PERHAPS?
I agree that man is limited, indeed. Can you please explain how Calvinists can affirm that man has power? In what way? How does that work?
@JoelTheCalvinist Acts 17:24-28..Read it. Okay so it says that God puts us in these specific, limited times and places...why? So that man would SEEK him, and PERHAPS reach out for him and find him. So can we not understand that God is like a Dad, with his baby in a playpen, watching it to see if it giggles and smiles at him, or some other better analogy. Why can't there be a measure of freedom within God's sovereignty?
Oh my gosh! Babies... sinners? REALLY?! How bad is throwing up baby formula on another person? That's not exactly what I'd call "evil." And as for the Tree of Adam crap, that would be like saying I should be arrested for drug offences because my uncle hit a bong at Woodstock. Whatever!
@allalan - "For by [lack of understanding] you have been saved through [young age]. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God," - Eph 2:8, modified Bible that fits your beliefs.
Esau and Jacob were only not chosen or chosen by behavior that is behavior had nothing to do with .Listen you never had a permissable will to chose God .Babies like adults are chosen or not its not of any man's will to be saved or not. So some babies are elect and some are not , its all about election adult or babies
for on your behalf your saying that babies go to hell, god can only quote on that and not you, so its better left unsaid then take it to another circumstance, you would be preaching false teachings if you said quote on quote "babies go to hell" every decision god makes is his decision, so we should left it at a wonder for gods according and not ours.
Jesus (pbuh) was a great prophet, but he was still just a man just like me and you. You are teaching heresy. Repent and submit to Allah (swt) in prayer and fasting. If you don't then your own personal 9/11 will take place, INSHALLAH!
Jesus went around and blessed the children. "And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them: and His disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God"
Catholics baptize the babies thinking thats a way to say them. But they are already saved for they no not right from wrong. To be baptize, you as a person have to believe the word and take Jesus as your savior. Babies can't do that and you can't just baptize them and say the are saved. They are saved and blessed by Jesus for they don't no wrong from right. You are judge according to what you no to be right from wrong and whether you act upon doing wrong.
LOL Lots of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Quantum mechanics, for instance. I think one should be careful in drawing conclusions from what is and is not mentioned in the Bible. That the fate of babies after death is not specified in the Bible hardly implies that babies are of no value to God.
Read what I have posted joel, BABIES do go to heaven , its in the bible. Mark 10:13-14. Hope that helps although you do already believe but now you know where the verse is in the bible.
So that fact that god chooses to not waste any papyrus to discuss kids fate in the afterlife is simply consistent with his low opinion of them. If god is anything, he is consistent. I mean just read his various commandments
So why does god not speak directly about childrens fate in the afterlife?
Because he clearly places little or no value on kids, babies or even fetuses for that matter.
Per the bible:
Exodus 21:22 If a man causes a woman to miscarry but she lives then he is to be punished by paying a fine
Leviticus 27:6 A census is taken where a monetary value is placed upon all human life. No child under a month old is considered to be worth anything & kids in general werent as valuable as adults
To simply answer your question: YES. Babies do go to Heaven. It doesn't matter what religion the parents are, since a baby isn't at the age of accountabilty (whereas, the child is old enough to decide his/her actions and at the age to know to be responsible for his/her sins). Also, since a baby isn't fully aware of his/her conscience, they don't know of the sins they could commit which is why ALL babues do go to Heaven. Scripture proving this: Matthew 19:14....read it and the answer is there
Teaching that anyone achieves salvation without Jesus is heresy.
The age of accountability is not in the Bible. Try again.
Sin was passed to humanity though Adam (Romans 5) not through being old enough to decide my actions.
On Matthew 19:14, this is not even talking about salvation. And even so, he says "TO SUCH..." meaning, having an easily believing hearts, teachable minds and hearts.
Biblically there is no age of accountability, it is a made up doctrine and was never addressed straight forward in the Bible. God must choose for them, which a loving God would Choose for them Heaven since he choose the mother who would choose to abort the baby. But it does not negate the fact that an Armenian would logically infer that they did not choose God out of their Free-will, most people don't understand what they actually believe and that some of their beliefs contradict others.
So why does god not speak directly about childrens fate in the afterlife?
It's b/c he clearly places little or no value on kids, babies or even fetuses for that matter
Per the bible:
Exodus 21:22 If a man causes a woman to miscarry but she lives then he is to be punished by paying a fine
Leviticus 27:6 A census is taken where a monetary value is placed upon all human life. No child under a month old is considered to be worth anything & kids in general aren't as valuable as adults
So that fact that god chooses to not waste any papyrus to discuss kids fate in the afterlife is simply consistent with his low opinion of them. If god is anything, he is consistent. I mean just read his various commandments
Sorry for the sarcastic humor being injected in, but I tire of being quoted scripture that does not directly address an issue such as babys' fates or the abolishment of the many hideous OT commandments (like having your daughter sold to her rapist if she was unlucky enough to have been brutalized).
Regardless, I would appreciate to hear your thoughts on the matter, or if you have a question or two to pose back to me.
Dialogue and the exchange of ideas is a vital endevour, eh?
i believe, not all babies go to heaven or hell, and it much depends on the parents or guardians.
meaning if a baby is born out of christian parents, they pray for their baby. so if the baby should die for any reason. the baby goes to heaven. (think of it like insurance)
if the baby is born from atheists or wrong religion, that baby does not have protection. i am afraid they could go to hell because when we are born we all inherit the sin from adam and eve like you said.
At least calvinists can back up their position from the bible - if you want to disprove a position taken from the bible, you'd better have similarly authoritative evidences
Noah. He had children. when the time came that God killed everybody on the face of the earth by the flood. all who were against God died including their babies. Yet, because Noah was in good relationship with God, also his children were saved.
there are many more like the story of Lot, also Israel in Egypt one of the plague that killed the first borns and so on..
I could be wrong in my logic. After all, God is the one who judges.
They were killed along with their parents. That God wanted their group off the face of the earth didn't say they were saved or not.
the problem i have with "insurance" is that there must be an expiry date, where the child is then responsible for their own decision. By that line of logic, on one day the blood of Christ was sufficient to cover the sins of that child, but the following day, it was no longer. Jesus said none which were given to him he would lose. How do these kids get lost?
For me, there is a lot of solace in knowing that a holy and just God is the one choosing, not relying on the mental faculties of people to choose. God can sovereignly send the unborn who are aborted to heaven or hell. I would like to think he would send them to heaven, but I know God is just.
For the babies miscarried by accident, I'd rather depend on God acting in a righteous way than on my having prayed an insurance prayer for my unborn child.
Calvinists believe that the Creator of all will do right.David said that he could go to his son who died,so I believe David,since all scripture comes from God.
And another thing, how does what Freyda said have anything to do with Pelagius? The fact that you took so much offense to this person that you blocked them shows your unwillingness to come to a resolve with anyone of opposing ideas. Very Christ-like. Please stop making these videos. You're further destroying people's faith and fueling other's doubts. You don't have the answer to everything. You don't know God's great scheme. Stop making such bold claims, or be willing to swallow your words.
Pelagius believed that a newborn person had a clean slate, born sinless. This was deemed as heresy. I brought it up because she started talking like that.
She took the need for Christ out of salvation, and that is one thing I do not tolerate. That is why she was blocked. I tried to come to a resolve, but it got deeper and deeper. I have to be strong in this, she was talking of a false Gospel (much like Galatians).
I know I don't have the answer to everything, but the Bible has most of them.
Joel, I think it's funny you're accusing Freyda of speaking against God's integrity. In most of these videos, you're doing the exact same thing. You're using your own ideals (or should I say John Calvin's) as universal interpretations of scripture and telling everyone that your "theories" are absolute. What's the difference? You're putting words in God's mouth either way. It's not God's integrity he's questioned; it's yours. Self-righteousness is all I can think of when I see your videos.
I don't know where I was speaking against God's integrity. I try to stay as scriptural as possible... if there is anything I have said that isn't founded in scripture, please let me know.
Totally wrong on this one as aborted babies cannot choose for themselves. All babies are saved by God's grace as King David said he will see his dead baby in heaven. Where in the bible says children must know and choose to become saved? Only aggroant calvinists will say that becaus they are calvinists! Easy for you to say that because you are not baby but a proud adult babbling vanity things and unscriptural thinking adults are elected only.
Finally, true Christianity is more an action than a religion. Jesus wanted us to take his teachings to heart, and imitate him. Who are we to claim whether or not someone goes to hell? I believe that if anyone chooses to do good from their heart, even if they are not a Christian, they are found blameless in our Creator's eyes. At the end of goodness is God. Where you find good, where you find purity, you will find God.
I'm sorry you think that I'm a heretic, Joel. Read Romans Ch.2, specifically Verses 7-16.
What I don't understand is why you find that heretical. There are those who will never hear of Jesus' name. All they have is the law God has written on their hearts. If they abide by that internal law, then they're doing good, and, even to abide by that law takes faith. God reaches people in more ways than just scripture.
I wasn't referring to salvation. I was referring to mercy, or moreso, pitty.
Maybe you could answer this for me: Say you're a child in the streets of Mumbai who has been forced into prostitution. You've never seen a Bible, more importantly, you've never been shown the love of Jesus. You die in the midst of this lifestyle with a sickness brought on by HIV. What is your salvation, then? Was your entire life meaningless? Are you bound to hell?
Romans 1:20 says that God is evident in nature so they have no excuse.
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb (Luke 1:15). The point here is that God is the owner of salvation and owes nothing to sinful fallen man.
This hypothetical child is still bound to God's laws and is still a sinner. Without God bringing them to salvation they are bound for hell. This "wider mercy" is not found in the Bible. Without Jesus, every single person on earth is bound to hell.
Sadly this happens to children everyday. This hypothetical child does exist somewhere. Is this person guilty of sinning against God, even keeping in mind that they have no control over their situation? The Scripture doesn't quite answer questions like this. This is as gray as it can get. This is where I believe that God has pitty on people. Why would God allow a person who has lived in a physical hell be thrown into an eternal hell? This again is not given a black and white answer in the Bible.
So since they had a bad 10, 15, 20, 50 or even 100 years on earth, God is obligated to compromise his word, his holiness, his righteousness, and his integrity to let some sinner into heaven?
Tell me, if God can pity someone enough to get them into heaven, why not pity everyone? Eternity in hell is much worse than anything that can happen on earth, so why wouldn't he pity everyone?
Regardless of someone's situation, they are accountable to God. Plain and simple. There is no excuse for sin.
Joel - you answered well, and politely. A model for how to deal with people rather than a poorly considered rant. Kudos. It pains me to admit that my own father-in-law who has been in church and would claim he professes christ as his saviour, also has similar concepts of salvation outside of Jesus. I don't know how his pastors have not called him to repent but it's a sad sad state the world is in. SDG!
That being said, everything that we can't physically prove can only be resolved by assumptions. We base our assumption upon what we feel.
I can assume that little children cannot yet fully comprehend the consequence of their actions, nor are they old enough to think for themselves. As we become older, we become more aware of our sinful nature. What truly makes us sin is when we choose to indulge in something which we know in our hearts is wrong.
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
Babies go to heaven and so do mentally retarded people because they are innocent. You my friend have come to the age of countability you better repent now Because your not innocent.
But we are talking about sending babies to hell or heaven, what does the universe have anything to do with this topic. you are jumping out of context. If you believe that God can send babies to heaven than He already does as it is an ongoing process.
yes! it says in the bible that you have no sins when your born cause your only an infint!!!!! the new born doesent know whats going on!!!! babys are inocent! and have no meanings to go to hell!!! DONT TELL ME THAT AFTER MY 5 YEAR OLD SON DIED FROM A DISEASE!!!!! you just like the attention dont you?! your so stupid. your probably the only one in the world saying this. GOD SAW HIS SON DIE ON THE CROSS IS ALREADY BAD ENOUGH! AND YOU THINK HES GOING TO SEND BABYS TO HELL! YOUR NUTS!!
Did you read the scrpture i listed below? Read everything posted on here by Justasimplechristian, beginning with the earliest, but they are all at the same time. There is strong evidence to make you take a real stand on this.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Read on further too and you guys will understand to whom the wrath of God is reserved for....for people who disregard the truth.
8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.
So we can safely say that without a doubt babies, children and whoever is mentally incapable to understand the message of slavation are saved. Christ's atonement paid pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time.
16 The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me. Another verse implying the same thing
Another verse implying th importance of children to God's kingdom. MAt 18 1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Are you a calvinist or a chirstian? "As a calvinist you believe....what about as a christian. ok the bible does not explicitly say babies go to heaven but...implies that. 2 Samuel 12:23 (ESV)
23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. implies that David will reunite and go to where his son went.
careful not to place God in a box. babies and mentally handicapped people going to hell is of course a horrible concept to us, but why should that matter? none of us deserve grace in the first place. just because we think it is horrible does not mean it is wrong. His thoughts are not our thoughts, His ways are not our ways. I think we try to change God so he appeals more to us. If you believe in original sin, how can you believe that all babies go to heaven? Maybe im missing something.
But joel makes a good point. If God elects us, maybe He can awaken babies or mentally handicapped to make the choice. But i disagree with people who say babies/mentally handicapped automatically go to heaven.
Of course anyone who kills their child is not a saved christian and would be sending that child to another place besides heaven (hell).. Just to be clear on this ok.. Please do not kill any children fellow christians because they won`t go to heaven if you do..
If all babies who die go to heaven,(which they don`t) why are so many christians fighting against the act of abortion? Are these abortion doctors sending millions of souls to heaven? Why don`t christians work harder to make sure abortions are easier to get or even free ? Why not go ahead and kill your own child right now if you think they will go straight to heaven.. Also if there is a chance they might reject christianity later and be lost.. Why take the chance? You know why don`t you?
Exodus 20:4 mentions God visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the "children" to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me... Does this sound like God is bringing these children of fathers who hate Him to heaven? God does not change and the ten commandments from your God have not changed.. They are still active and the children of those who hate God are still under the curse (not saved) Only if The child comes to Christ can the cycle be broken..
1 cor 7:14 mentions children made "HOLY" by being the children of a saved parent.. The only children that go to heaven are if they are from a saved mom or dad.. If the baby is from 2 unsaved peoples, than the baby also is "unholy".. Nothing unholy will enter in to heaven including a sinful baby no matter if it is inocent or not..
This is just stupid!!!!! What happens if one parent is a Christian and the other one isn`t? Will the baby be cut into half and one half goes to heaven and the other half to hell???? Plus, don`t you know so many Christian families where the kids are out there in the world making more horrendous sins than atheist??I do!! On a personal level.But look at the big-mouthed slut Katy Perry:will she go to heaven because the parents are strong believers??Nobody gets saved on their parents`blood only Jesus
She is serving Satan with her lifestyle and she will just rot in hell as she deserves it..She even knows the truth, but decided to turn her back on God.Yeah right, innocent babies go to hell, Katy Perry will go to Heaven! What a false "preacher" you are! Don`t bother to block me, I will not come hear again to read and listen to this blabla....You try to spread this on Youtube just because nobody wants to listen to you in your own church or anywhere, I bet....
That's not a very Christian attitude. You should want Katy to come to saving knowledge of Jesus, not say that she will "rot in hell as she deserves it."
By the way, we all deserve to "rot in hell." That's why the Gospel is "Good News," cause there is also some very bad news that comes first. I pray that God reveals his grace to you in his word.
I hope Jesus' command to "love your enemies" shines true in your life. God bless.
this is ridiculous. 1) people do listen to joel in his church, i go with him and i listen as well as many others. 2) "rot in hell as she deserves it." she deserves it no less than you do (or joel or myself or anyone else for that matter).
Jesus didn't approve of John and his bro. trying to call down fire of judgment, so I think you'd better pump your breaks and frankly just shut up until you can speak some words that "give grace to the hearers." (eph. 4:29). in the meantime, pray for katy
I will be very happy to see your astonished faces in Heaven when you get to see all those babies..Hahahaha!!!!!
God is good and not evil like you two!
Katy Perry will be under very -very hard judgement as she clearly turned her back on God and denied Him! I don`t suppose she will return before she dies,,,,so ,,,"Highway to hell"!!!!
what are you talking about?? i never said they aren't in heaven.
we're evil? really? and you came to that conclusion how?
and instead of praying for Katy to be a prodigal who comes home, you're a bitter "older son" who can't handle the fact that Father God is gracious because you're too concerned with your own prideful, arrogant agenda.
People who don't have any grace have never received any. Your comments are more telling than you realize.
your mole is satanic
mandyjonnylove 1 week ago
@mandyjonnylove - I believe that
JoelTheCalvinist 1 week ago
I am tired of people thinking babies go to hell. Think about this. It says if any of you turn a child away from God youre going to hell, so obviously if you have to turn something it was something else in the first place right? Everyone knows that Jesus died for us and Jesus died for the babies who are aborted miscarraiged and what not. I am so tired of false preachers like youself who work for Satan. I pray for you.
mandyjonnylove 1 week ago
@JoelTheCalvinist 13 And suppose a woman has a husband who is not a believer. If he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 The unbelieving husband has been made holy through his wife. The unbelieving wife has been made holy through her believing husband. If that were not the case, your children would not be pure and clean. But as it is, they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7
It appears that Babies go Heaven if at least one Parent is a believer until the can account for themselves.
gadgetmanjay 3 months ago
13 And suppose a woman has a husband who is not a believer. If he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 The unbelieving husband has been made holy through his wife. The unbelieving wife has been made holy through her believing husband. If that were not the case, your children would not be pure and clean. But as it is, they are holy.
1 Corinthians 7
It appears that Babies go Heaven if at least one Parent is a believer until the can understand and account for themselves.
gadgetmanjay 3 months ago
We are born in sin because our DNA is corrupted by generations of sin all the way to Adam. that is why we get old and die. But it is the act of sin the God counts against us.
gadgetmanjay 3 months ago
@JoelTheCalvinist .. He (David) answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
babies don't go to hell, if they did why would Jesus say be like the small children.
We also know David went to heaven. God called him a man after my own heart.
gadgetmanjay 3 months ago
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Hell is NOT the FINAL plan of God.
If we look at 1 Cor.15 we see "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" So an ETERNAL hell cannot be so furthermore the greek for endless is ATELEUTETOS yet jesus used AIONIOS.
furthermore the wicked in Matthew 25 go to "aionios kolasis" which is greek for age-enduring PUNISHMENT/PRUNING, so utter destruction cannot be so, since the wicked are NOT nuked/destroyed utterly.
Eventually ALL will be saved- PLEASE SEE 1 Cor.15:22
motibi 4 months ago
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Hell is NOT the FINAL plan of God.
If we look at 1 Cor.15 we see "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" So an ETERNAL hell cannot be so furthermore the greek for endless is ATELEUTETOS yet jesus used AIONIOS.
furthermore the wicked in Matthew 25 go to "aionios kolasis" which is greek for age-enduring PUNISHMENT/PRUNING, so utter destruction cannot be so, since the wicked are NOT nuked/destroyed utterly.
Eventually ALL will be saved- PLEASE SEE 1 Cor.15:22
motibi 4 months ago
we won't give an account for Adam's sin? we are already giving an account in the sense all humans since the original two (2) have no choice but to suffer for the curse put in place due the actions of Adam and Eve. i had a calvinist pastor tell me that he had a sister who drowned at four (4) years of age; furthermore, if she happened to be in Hell, then this was the best of all possible worlds according to his theology. was this his standard message for children's funerals? should have asked.
roaringwaterbay 5 months ago
@roaringwaterbay See my original sin video
JoelTheCalvinist 5 months ago
@JoelTheCalvinist would you please email me the link? thanks.
roaringwaterbay 5 months ago
@roaringwaterbay /watch?v=ZsAga89Wde4
JoelTheCalvinist 5 months ago
@JoelTheCalvinist thanks for the link. there is nothing new there that i can see--pretty standard calvinist view of original sin. i am not sure what you thought I was going to see; certainly nothing there to make me change any of my original remarks to this video. calvinists and arminians like to bang away at each other with videos and post texts on the internet, i guess thinking that they are going to convert droves of the "enemy" to their side--it doesn't happen. might alleviate boredom.
roaringwaterbay 5 months ago
Bro. I'm a Calvinist and I'm begging you to stop making these videos until you've worked these things out in your mind a little more.
Making untrue, and misrepresentative statements about Arminianism is not how we prove our theology to be true.
I'd love to discuss this with you, as parts of this video are true, but overall you are incorrect, and grossly misrepresentative. You obviously don't have to listen, but I'd recommend you remove this video.
leslanfear 1 year ago
@leslanfear - What misrepresentative statements did I make?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Your entire argument is imaginary.
Arminians don't believe in true guilt from original sin. They do not believe that babies can be judged because babies have not sinned. Usually this ends up coupled with unsupported thoeries such as "age of accountability".
We SHOULD point out inconsistency in Arminian theology, in love. So we first show that we understand their position, then show the inconsistency in what they believe.
leslanfear 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist and I've got to say, the opening 'shocking' statement, while I understand your intent, really does come off as insensitive and irreverent.
leslanfear 1 year ago
@leslanfear i am not sure that you honestly representing classical arminianism theology for one thing. i would have to do some research. your video here, has a distinct polemical tone to it. if you just like stirring the pot, i'd say your headed in the right direction with this effort. leslanfear's critique here is one that bears some consideration, regardless of your theological persuasion. babies/hell is a grabber, but I can't say that your video solved the problem or changed any minds.
roaringwaterbay 5 months ago
Three questions every Calvinist must answer:
1. What makes you so sure that you yourself are bound for heaven and not any of us?
2. What would your reaction be if come Judgment Day both of us were standing before God and it turns out God singled me out for salvation and not you?
3. If babies are damned from the moment they exit their mother's womb, would it not be reasonable if not merciful to abort them?
JadirTheDevil 1 year ago
@JadirTheDevil -
1. God's faithfulness to his promises. Though my being heaven-bound is not "so sure," I try to prove it everyday.
2. The same reaction anyone would have: despair.
3. We don't know if they are damned. But why deprive them of life? That would be merciful?
It seems that abortion would be a good case if all babies were saved coming out of the womb, because then they would all go to heaven instead of giving them the chance to ruin it with their lives.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
There is something called The age of consent and in the Jewist religion it is 12 years of age. I was always told till the age of 12 yrs. a kid is saved on just being under the age 12 or under the Age of consent ! At the age of 12 you should know what is right and what is wrong. The court system uses this age as the Age of Consent to Put him to death for a crime or not. Look up " Age of Consent " .
All Jews go to heaven till the age of 12. Then decide your salvation or your own your own !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
@turtle4aire - Yeah, except that is no where in the Bible.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
If You are A Calvinist predestinationist then I suggest You study The Mormons, I did Not say become A Mormon because I have reason to Think They are another false doctrine because for one thing They deny Yashua Is part of The Trinity The Creator. Right now the biggest Issue to take on Is They that say They Never sin & If We do then We are Not A true Christian & We are going to hell.
ortafunk 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist..."Any Bible verse to back that up?"
So now you wanna check out what the Bible says instead of what the Armenians claim? Are not Armenians Protestants like yourself? You said "God chooses babies to go to heaven"? (any biblical verses to back that up?) I don't think so.
Jesus compared those who are in the kingdom of heaven to the little children & that "..in heaven their angels (spirits) do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven" (MATT.18:10)
leSavaii 1 year ago
And where do babies come from? Jesus came/sent from God & went back to His God/Father & so are the babies. Case close
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii - Then so is everyone else on earth. That is universalism and not Christianity. Case closed.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist ..."Then so is everyone else on earth"
WHO IS EVERYONE ELSE?...We're talking about babies here & not everyone else.
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii - Everyone, without exception, was a baby once. They ALL came from God, just like Jesus (in your logic). So since ALL people came from God as babies, they must ALL go to heaven.
So where is the need for Jesus in your Gospel?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist..."Everyone, without exception, was a baby once"
Yes we were all babies, but now we're grown & we know good from evil, even the oppositions to all things...babies don't, so when they die young while still babies with purity in the eyes of God...they are automatically go back to where they came from...of course their spirits back to God who gave them. And as for us as grown-ups it's a completely different issue & you should know why...
leSavaii 1 year ago
@leSavaii - Your reasoning was, "And where do babies come from?"
That has no play in their salvation.
"when they die young while still babies with purity in the eyes of God...they are automatically go back to where they came from"
Any Bible verse to back that up?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
I'm sorryI'm sure you've been jumped on 700,000 times before for this BUT that rom 9 quote doesn't make your point .. it's not saying what you said it says ..it takes a hard punch in the head to make it say what you're saying it does ..they did no good or bad cuz they weren't born yet ..PERIOD..
What happened to.... I don't know..
I know this is a thing you would rather never say ..but maybe this is what truth looks like ..admitting you don't know is evidence that you're not a hillbilly
zwreckless1 1 year ago
@zwreckless1 - What did I make it say? I just read it, right?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist No joe you are saying they are born as babies and haven't done anything good or bad ..Paul is saying they ain't born yet ...so why are you saying that he is saying they are .. his point is ,, they aren't born yet and haven't done anything good or bad yet the doctrine of election is at work esau I hated jacob i love.. you aren't saying what paul says
zwreckless1 1 year ago
I'm still missing a few pieces...
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - Message me!
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
There's probably a more relevant video for me to post these queries on, but oh well. My question is this: John 5:6: When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him," DO YOU WANT TO GET WELL?". (he probably didn't shout at the guy) Can this possibly imply that the will of man has anything to do with receiving his healing? How can man's wants or lack of wants influence anything or matter? They clearly mattered to Jesus.
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - Of course the man wants to be well. But Jesus rarely speaks something so plainly --- especially in John!
So Calvinists don't deny that man has a will -- we just agree with the Bible in saying that it is bad! "Whosoever wills may come" - Rev 22. We believe that, but the questions are, "Who wills?" and "Why do they will?"
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist If the man wants to be well or not isn't the question. He's clearly in a deplorable state, but he has been so for quite some time if you look at the preceding verses. Why would Jesus ask him that? I don't know, I think I'm not expressing myself very well, I'm starting to feel frustrated.
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - Don't think about what Jesus was there to learn when Jesus asks a question. Think about what the man has to learn. Jesus commonly asks questions of people to show them things about themselves, to reveal something of himself, or to get a verbal confession of what he already knows is in the heart.
When Jesus asked Judas if he was betraying the Son of Man with a kiss, he wasn't seeking knowledge, he was teaching.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Yes! I didn't think Jesus was trying to learn the man's wants, you can find a trillion other verses that will clearly show how Jesus perceives the heart with no apparent external clues. My question still stands, why would Jesus ask that to the man? what was the importance or significance of a question that places importance on what we want?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - It's not so much an emphasis on his desires as it was a reflection of Jesus' mercy and power. No one asks that question unless they can heal you. Note, the man never said he wanted to be healed -- because obviously he did.
He was at the pool and couldn't save himself. These types of pictures are small narratives as to how Jesus saves us. Jesus presents the greatest gift and makes it happen. That man did nothing to deserve it except recognize his inability.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - I don't mean to frustrate you. I do understand what you are asking. And I am in no way denying the relationship between man and God.
But what I am trying to do is present the balance of the other side -- we were not created for a relationship with God, we were created to be reflections of his glory. When we understand that first, we can move on to the relational aspects.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist So the answer to those questions would be, those who God wills to will will will? :) I'm putting this together with another post of yours, or maybe it was a message where you say that we're able to will when God changes our desires, or something similar. I'm finding this way of thinking almost within my grasp, but it's hard to digest. How did you get to a point to where you were able to understand/accept it?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - "[T]hose who God wills to will will will?"
That's it!
The first understanding came when I realized that everyone acts according to their strongest desires. -- Always. Then I ask where do those desires come from? The Bible makes it clear that man before salvation desires only to sin. That means that man could never desire God because he only desires evil. Evil begets evil. To overcome that problem, Jesus made a way where there was no way. And I'm very thankful for it = Calvinism
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Why then, does it say that blaspheming against the H.S. is the unforgivable sin, I understand blaspheming to be rejecting grace when it's offered to you by Jesus, not just saying a swear word in the same sentence as the words "Holy Spirit", perhaps I'm mistaken, but if this is true, who could possibly reject grace in a Calvinistic mentality?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - Blasphemy is a verbal thing. If you note the context in which Jesus says it, the Pharisees were saying that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of [Satan]. Jesus responds by saying basically, "Pump the brakes. You can blaspheme me and will be forgiven, but blaspheme the HS and it won't be. Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
Something to note here, the Pharisees knew that signs like this were from God. They were lying in their heart about the work of the HS. (cont)
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Still, I don't think some ignorant rebel 15 year old who blasphemes against the HS verbally isn't going to necessarily have a chance at salvation later on. Someone explained the blasphemy to me as being an actual rejection of the gift of the HS (grace), I thought that was more understandable.
Why the distinction between Jesus and HS, also? Why able to blaspheme one and not the other?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - Right, I did that! Obviously God forgave what I did. I think one point that needs to be made is that the Pharisees knew in their hearts what was true and still spoke against it because of the hardness of their hearts.
I think the only person who could blaspheme the HS would be at least a nominal Christian. (Note Heb 6) They would have to know the truth and still suppress it.
Why the distinction? Not sure but it would seem more heinous because of his role as Comforter and Teacher
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - So it's speech that overflows from the heart.
In a Calvinistic mentality, there is nothing in the passage that even remotely suggests that blasphemy of the HS is in any way resistance to his work. Calvinist's don't believe that man can't resist the Spirit (since that happens all the time), we just believe that God will eventually overcome that resistance at some point for some people. (John 6:37)
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Acts 17:24-28..Read it. Okay so it says that God puts us in these specific, limited times and places...why? So that man would SEEK him, and PERHAPS reach out for him and find him. So can we not understand that God is like a Dad, with his baby in a playpen, watching it to see if it giggles and smiles at him, or some other better analogy. Why can't there be a measure of freedom within God's sovereignty?
bluesette82 1 year ago
How come it has to be all or nothing? Armenian or Calvinist. Why one or the other?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - They have "dichotomous" views on top issues of salvation. That means they are mutually exclusive (can't be both) and they are exhaustive (there are no other options). For instance:
Who initiates salvation? Is it God alone or not God alone? Calvinism says God Alone, Arminianism says Not God Alone
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist You have another video(don't remember which), in which you cite God hardening Pharoah's heart in Exodus. I just wanted to mention to you that there was at least one instance when Pharoah hardens his own heart. What does that mean to you as a Calvinist?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - With a Calvinistic world view I have no problem saying that people harden their own hearts -- it happens all the time!
But since the Arminian view holds a "free will" and "resistible grace" standpoint, they have a hard time dealing with God hardening Pharaoh's heart.
For the record, Pharaoh hardened his own heart in the beginning (5 or 6 times) and God hardened Pharaohs heart at the end (5 or 6 times). Pharaoh was about to tap out, but God still had work to do.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist I don't understand the Armenian or the Calvinistic p.o.v., frankly. It makes more sense for God to have all the power, but why is it inconceivable to think of a God giving a certain measure of power to mankind? Otherwise it seems like some sort of chess game God is playing with Himself, or something to me. Why would that make sense?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - A couple things here.. Calvinist don't deny that man has power, we just say that it is limited by what God limits it by. I can't decide to fly, I can't decide to live forever, I can't decide to not sin. This is because God has limited us. In this way, man does not have a completely free will.
The complaint of God playing chess with himself relies on a worldview where our decisions matter in the universe. Only God matters, that's why we were created -- so we could see what matters
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Could our decisions matter because they matter to God? Because He wanted it that way? You say created so we could see what matters, but why would that passage in Acts say PERHAPS?
I agree that man is limited, indeed. Can you please explain how Calvinists can affirm that man has power? In what way? How does that work?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@JoelTheCalvinist Acts 17:24-28..Read it. Okay so it says that God puts us in these specific, limited times and places...why? So that man would SEEK him, and PERHAPS reach out for him and find him. So can we not understand that God is like a Dad, with his baby in a playpen, watching it to see if it giggles and smiles at him, or some other better analogy. Why can't there be a measure of freedom within God's sovereignty?
bluesette82 1 year ago
@bluesette82 - There is freedom within the sovereignty. Before rebirth, you are free to sin and sin alone.
God didn't create us to see what we would do, though. He knows all and knew it all before he created anything.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
You believe what you need to - just like we all do.
amandamadd 1 year ago
i agree.,,,
lynnej1970 1 year ago
Oh my gosh! Babies... sinners? REALLY?! How bad is throwing up baby formula on another person? That's not exactly what I'd call "evil." And as for the Tree of Adam crap, that would be like saying I should be arrested for drug offences because my uncle hit a bong at Woodstock. Whatever!
jhafero 1 year ago
Nice jacket by the way. :)
jhafero 1 year ago
@jhafero - Jesus affirmed the "Tree of Adam crap" in John 3...
"That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit."
And we know that only those born of the spirit can enter into heaven. Flesh dies because of Adam's sin. This was God's judgment on his posterity.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
@jhafero the "tree of Adam crap" is also affirm in Romans 5:12-14
prchdaword 1 year ago
"god choses who goes to heaven" what an insane teaching. the calvinist god makes satan look like the dalai lama. sick, depraved teaching.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@BillKiernan - except its in the Bible.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
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@JoelTheCalvinist "except its in the Bible" yes, the guidebook for sick and depraved living.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
thanks Joel for beating around the bush. that explanation was fairly useless.
roaringwaterbay 1 year ago
@roaringwaterbay - I can't explain what God himself doesn't. I can only encourage believers to trust in God.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
All babies go to heaven because they are too young to understand
allalan 1 year ago
@allalan - "For by [lack of understanding] you have been saved through [young age]. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God," - Eph 2:8, modified Bible that fits your beliefs.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
Esau and Jacob were only not chosen or chosen by behavior that is behavior had nothing to do with .Listen you never had a permissable will to chose God .Babies like adults are chosen or not its not of any man's will to be saved or not. So some babies are elect and some are not , its all about election adult or babies
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 "elect." god is pure evil.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
for on your behalf your saying that babies go to hell, god can only quote on that and not you, so its better left unsaid then take it to another circumstance, you would be preaching false teachings if you said quote on quote "babies go to hell" every decision god makes is his decision, so we should left it at a wonder for gods according and not ours.
dariopimenteI 1 year ago
Sounds like you didn't finish the video.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
yeah i did all i was saying is its not our judgement nor right just make it clear thats all i was trying to say
dariopimenteI 1 year ago
You are all wrong. The only way to Heaven is to follow the mandates of Allah (swt) prescribed by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Islam shall dominate the world, INSHALLAH!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Allah!
XxDumpsterBabyXx 1 year ago
Sorry, Muhammad was an illiterate liar.
Kind of presumptuous of a guy to claim he knew the REAL Jesus 600 years after the Christian movement had begun.
Repent and follow Jesus, he is the only way to Heaven. There are no mandates from Him.
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
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Jesus (pbuh) was a great prophet, but he was still just a man just like me and you. You are teaching heresy. Repent and submit to Allah (swt) in prayer and fasting. If you don't then your own personal 9/11 will take place, INSHALLAH!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
ALLAHU AKBAR!
La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Allah!
XxDumpsterBabyXx 1 year ago
fuck those babys they need to go to hell sin full little fucks
jimthemessiah 1 year ago
Jesus went around and blessed the children. "And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them: and His disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God"
(Mark 10:13-14).
So little children go to heaven.
MABardowell 1 year ago
That doesn't say that they all go to heaven.
Take this verse into consideration...
Luke 6:20, "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."
That means that poor people go to heaven too? I thought you said that it was because they didn't know right or wrong?
JoelTheCalvinist 1 year ago
There's a term we ascribe to people who judge others based on the circumstances of their birth: RACISTS.
Your "god" is the biggest racist in all fiction.
Your "christ" is no savior.
Psalm 137:9- "Happy is he that takes up and dashes your infants against the rocks."
JoyfulPessimist 1 year ago
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MABardowell 1 year ago
Catholics baptize the babies thinking thats a way to say them. But they are already saved for they no not right from wrong. To be baptize, you as a person have to believe the word and take Jesus as your savior. Babies can't do that and you can't just baptize them and say the are saved. They are saved and blessed by Jesus for they don't no wrong from right. You are judge according to what you no to be right from wrong and whether you act upon doing wrong.
MABardowell 1 year ago
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MABardowell 1 year ago
Joel..My my. You are contradicting the bible,
Rom.5;12.....All have sinned is in past tense,everyone sinned as soon as Adam did.even before your birth. All means All no way out left.
Psa.58;3 ...they go astray as soon as they be born,speaking lies. In effect we are punished for being born.
According to theses verses babies do go to hell.
If you believe in all of your bible too bad for babies.
If you do like you did in the video and believe only in parts &ignore the above verses.
quebec10000 2 years ago
LOL Lots of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Quantum mechanics, for instance. I think one should be careful in drawing conclusions from what is and is not mentioned in the Bible. That the fate of babies after death is not specified in the Bible hardly implies that babies are of no value to God.
kmsoileau 2 years ago
I don't think you watched the whole video.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Read what I have posted joel, BABIES do go to heaven , its in the bible. Mark 10:13-14. Hope that helps although you do already believe but now you know where the verse is in the bible.
MABardowell 1 year ago
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was replying to what denverkipper wrote.
kmsoileau 2 years ago
So in summary:
Kill a fetus = PAY A FINE
Baby less than 1 month old = NO VALUE
So that fact that god chooses to not waste any papyrus to discuss kids fate in the afterlife is simply consistent with his low opinion of them. If god is anything, he is consistent. I mean just read his various commandments
waitwellummnever mind.
denverkipper 2 years ago
So why does god not speak directly about childrens fate in the afterlife?
Because he clearly places little or no value on kids, babies or even fetuses for that matter.
Per the bible:
Exodus 21:22 If a man causes a woman to miscarry but she lives then he is to be punished by paying a fine
Leviticus 27:6 A census is taken where a monetary value is placed upon all human life. No child under a month old is considered to be worth anything & kids in general werent as valuable as adults
denverkipper 2 years ago
To simply answer your question: YES. Babies do go to Heaven. It doesn't matter what religion the parents are, since a baby isn't at the age of accountabilty (whereas, the child is old enough to decide his/her actions and at the age to know to be responsible for his/her sins). Also, since a baby isn't fully aware of his/her conscience, they don't know of the sins they could commit which is why ALL babues do go to Heaven. Scripture proving this: Matthew 19:14....read it and the answer is there
Lamusicful 2 years ago
And just so you know, I'm apostolic (and for all the confused ppl, no it doesn't mean I'm an apostle because there are ONLY 12 TRUE Apostles)
Lamusicful 2 years ago
Teaching that anyone achieves salvation without Jesus is heresy.
The age of accountability is not in the Bible. Try again.
Sin was passed to humanity though Adam (Romans 5) not through being old enough to decide my actions.
On Matthew 19:14, this is not even talking about salvation. And even so, he says "TO SUCH..." meaning, having an easily believing hearts, teachable minds and hearts.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Biblically there is no age of accountability, it is a made up doctrine and was never addressed straight forward in the Bible. God must choose for them, which a loving God would Choose for them Heaven since he choose the mother who would choose to abort the baby. But it does not negate the fact that an Armenian would logically infer that they did not choose God out of their Free-will, most people don't understand what they actually believe and that some of their beliefs contradict others.
BennyMetal7 2 years ago
So why does god not speak directly about childrens fate in the afterlife?
It's b/c he clearly places little or no value on kids, babies or even fetuses for that matter
Per the bible:
Exodus 21:22 If a man causes a woman to miscarry but she lives then he is to be punished by paying a fine
Leviticus 27:6 A census is taken where a monetary value is placed upon all human life. No child under a month old is considered to be worth anything & kids in general aren't as valuable as adults
denverkipper 2 years ago
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So in summary:
Kill a fetus = PAY A FINE
Baby less than 1 month old = NO VALUE
So that fact that god chooses to not waste any papyrus to discuss kids fate in the afterlife is simply consistent with his low opinion of them. If god is anything, he is consistent. I mean just read his various commandments
waitwellummnever mind.
denverkipper 2 years ago
Sorry for the sarcastic humor being injected in, but I tire of being quoted scripture that does not directly address an issue such as babys' fates or the abolishment of the many hideous OT commandments (like having your daughter sold to her rapist if she was unlucky enough to have been brutalized).
Regardless, I would appreciate to hear your thoughts on the matter, or if you have a question or two to pose back to me.
Dialogue and the exchange of ideas is a vital endevour, eh?
Cheers
denverkipper 2 years ago
Lameusicful. No babie do not go to heaven, Rom.5;12...... All have sinned, Notice it is in past tense that as soon as Adam sinned not later.
Psa.58;3 .........they go astray as soon as they be born,speaking lies. In effect they are being punished for being born.
Matt19;14 Jesus error again he forgot about the original sin.
If you believe your bible then babies do go to hell. Thank;s
quebec10000 2 years ago
i believe, not all babies go to heaven or hell, and it much depends on the parents or guardians.
meaning if a baby is born out of christian parents, they pray for their baby. so if the baby should die for any reason. the baby goes to heaven. (think of it like insurance)
if the baby is born from atheists or wrong religion, that baby does not have protection. i am afraid they could go to hell because when we are born we all inherit the sin from adam and eve like you said.
gerinja 2 years ago
got any scriptures to back this up?
At least calvinists can back up their position from the bible - if you want to disprove a position taken from the bible, you'd better have similarly authoritative evidences
SuperReformer 2 years ago
in the old testament there are lots of samples:
Noah. He had children. when the time came that God killed everybody on the face of the earth by the flood. all who were against God died including their babies. Yet, because Noah was in good relationship with God, also his children were saved.
there are many more like the story of Lot, also Israel in Egypt one of the plague that killed the first borns and so on..
I could be wrong in my logic. After all, God is the one who judges.
God bless
gerinja 2 years ago
They were killed along with their parents. That God wanted their group off the face of the earth didn't say they were saved or not.
the problem i have with "insurance" is that there must be an expiry date, where the child is then responsible for their own decision. By that line of logic, on one day the blood of Christ was sufficient to cover the sins of that child, but the following day, it was no longer. Jesus said none which were given to him he would lose. How do these kids get lost?
SuperReformer 2 years ago
Reply part 2:
For me, there is a lot of solace in knowing that a holy and just God is the one choosing, not relying on the mental faculties of people to choose. God can sovereignly send the unborn who are aborted to heaven or hell. I would like to think he would send them to heaven, but I know God is just.
For the babies miscarried by accident, I'd rather depend on God acting in a righteous way than on my having prayed an insurance prayer for my unborn child.
God bless you too.
SuperReformer 2 years ago
Out of curiousity, do you consider yourself a calvinist or arminian?
prideofasia99 2 years ago
I thought my name said it all ;)
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
To see Calvinism in action,check out a few ex-Muslim videos.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Calvinists believe that the Creator of all will do right.David said that he could go to his son who died,so I believe David,since all scripture comes from God.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
And another thing, how does what Freyda said have anything to do with Pelagius? The fact that you took so much offense to this person that you blocked them shows your unwillingness to come to a resolve with anyone of opposing ideas. Very Christ-like. Please stop making these videos. You're further destroying people's faith and fueling other's doubts. You don't have the answer to everything. You don't know God's great scheme. Stop making such bold claims, or be willing to swallow your words.
SilenceDogood1720 2 years ago
Pelagius believed that a newborn person had a clean slate, born sinless. This was deemed as heresy. I brought it up because she started talking like that.
She took the need for Christ out of salvation, and that is one thing I do not tolerate. That is why she was blocked. I tried to come to a resolve, but it got deeper and deeper. I have to be strong in this, she was talking of a false Gospel (much like Galatians).
I know I don't have the answer to everything, but the Bible has most of them.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Joel, I think it's funny you're accusing Freyda of speaking against God's integrity. In most of these videos, you're doing the exact same thing. You're using your own ideals (or should I say John Calvin's) as universal interpretations of scripture and telling everyone that your "theories" are absolute. What's the difference? You're putting words in God's mouth either way. It's not God's integrity he's questioned; it's yours. Self-righteousness is all I can think of when I see your videos.
SilenceDogood1720 2 years ago
I don't know where I was speaking against God's integrity. I try to stay as scriptural as possible... if there is anything I have said that isn't founded in scripture, please let me know.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Totally wrong on this one as aborted babies cannot choose for themselves. All babies are saved by God's grace as King David said he will see his dead baby in heaven. Where in the bible says children must know and choose to become saved? Only aggroant calvinists will say that becaus they are calvinists! Easy for you to say that because you are not baby but a proud adult babbling vanity things and unscriptural thinking adults are elected only.
JesusChristisSaviour 2 years ago
That's not what I said.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Finally, true Christianity is more an action than a religion. Jesus wanted us to take his teachings to heart, and imitate him. Who are we to claim whether or not someone goes to hell? I believe that if anyone chooses to do good from their heart, even if they are not a Christian, they are found blameless in our Creator's eyes. At the end of goodness is God. Where you find good, where you find purity, you will find God.
In short, babies are blameless.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
"I believe that if anyone chooses to do good from their heart, even if they are not a Christian, they are found blameless in our Creator's eyes."
That made me sick to my stomach. That is complete and utter heresy. Romans 3, Romans 14:23, John 8:34
Read up on Pelagius... he made that same mistake.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I'm sorry you think that I'm a heretic, Joel. Read Romans Ch.2, specifically Verses 7-16.
What I don't understand is why you find that heretical. There are those who will never hear of Jesus' name. All they have is the law God has written on their hearts. If they abide by that internal law, then they're doing good, and, even to abide by that law takes faith. God reaches people in more ways than just scripture.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
I say it's heresy because you are speaking of salvation outside of the sacrifice of Jesus.
There is none.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I wasn't referring to salvation. I was referring to mercy, or moreso, pitty.
Maybe you could answer this for me: Say you're a child in the streets of Mumbai who has been forced into prostitution. You've never seen a Bible, more importantly, you've never been shown the love of Jesus. You die in the midst of this lifestyle with a sickness brought on by HIV. What is your salvation, then? Was your entire life meaningless? Are you bound to hell?
There's an important point I'm getting to here.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
Romans 1:20 says that God is evident in nature so they have no excuse.
John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb (Luke 1:15). The point here is that God is the owner of salvation and owes nothing to sinful fallen man.
This hypothetical child is still bound to God's laws and is still a sinner. Without God bringing them to salvation they are bound for hell. This "wider mercy" is not found in the Bible. Without Jesus, every single person on earth is bound to hell.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Sadly this happens to children everyday. This hypothetical child does exist somewhere. Is this person guilty of sinning against God, even keeping in mind that they have no control over their situation? The Scripture doesn't quite answer questions like this. This is as gray as it can get. This is where I believe that God has pitty on people. Why would God allow a person who has lived in a physical hell be thrown into an eternal hell? This again is not given a black and white answer in the Bible.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
So since they had a bad 10, 15, 20, 50 or even 100 years on earth, God is obligated to compromise his word, his holiness, his righteousness, and his integrity to let some sinner into heaven?
Tell me, if God can pity someone enough to get them into heaven, why not pity everyone? Eternity in hell is much worse than anything that can happen on earth, so why wouldn't he pity everyone?
Regardless of someone's situation, they are accountable to God. Plain and simple. There is no excuse for sin.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I'm not going to let you speak against God's integrity like this on my videos.
Please, read more Scripture. God bless.
You've been blocked.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Joel - you answered well, and politely. A model for how to deal with people rather than a poorly considered rant. Kudos. It pains me to admit that my own father-in-law who has been in church and would claim he professes christ as his saviour, also has similar concepts of salvation outside of Jesus. I don't know how his pastors have not called him to repent but it's a sad sad state the world is in. SDG!
SuperReformer 2 years ago
That being said, everything that we can't physically prove can only be resolved by assumptions. We base our assumption upon what we feel.
I can assume that little children cannot yet fully comprehend the consequence of their actions, nor are they old enough to think for themselves. As we become older, we become more aware of our sinful nature. What truly makes us sin is when we choose to indulge in something which we know in our hearts is wrong.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
FreydaWright 2 years ago
Matthew 18
FreydaWright 2 years ago
Im christain and babies go to heaven if they are rasied in a christainly manor and the go to hell if they are rasied on a different belife
Emmapink123 2 years ago
Great message bro!!! Jesus Bless!!!
bamboorules 2 years ago
Babies go to heaven and so do mentally retarded people because they are innocent. You my friend have come to the age of countability you better repent now Because your not innocent.
JustinOsbore 2 years ago
Age of Accountability? Is that in the Bible?
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
It seems weird that a calvinist who beliaves in election (as do I) beliaves that God elects all babys?
Bible says that God chooses people before they are born. So isn't it logical that the chosen babis go to heaven, others don't?
jmhjmh5 2 years ago
I don't believe He DOES, I believe He CAN. But I basically end on the assumption, God is good and he makes good decisions. I can trust that.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Yeah. Amen, brother.
jmhjmh5 2 years ago
Believing He can is probably the same as believing He does, otherwise how would you know He can if He doesn't?
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
I know that God can destroy the universe with a word, yet he has never done it. He doesn't have to do it for me to know his ability.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
But we are talking about sending babies to hell or heaven, what does the universe have anything to do with this topic. you are jumping out of context. If you believe that God can send babies to heaven than He already does as it is an ongoing process.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
yes! it says in the bible that you have no sins when your born cause your only an infint!!!!! the new born doesent know whats going on!!!! babys are inocent! and have no meanings to go to hell!!! DONT TELL ME THAT AFTER MY 5 YEAR OLD SON DIED FROM A DISEASE!!!!! you just like the attention dont you?! your so stupid. your probably the only one in the world saying this. GOD SAW HIS SON DIE ON THE CROSS IS ALREADY BAD ENOUGH! AND YOU THINK HES GOING TO SEND BABYS TO HELL! YOUR NUTS!!
madiism 2 years ago
you are so comfused i feel sorry for you and can only pray for you that you will find gods path my friend
madiism 2 years ago
An explanation? Scripture? Anything?
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Did you read the scrpture i listed below? Read everything posted on here by Justasimplechristian, beginning with the earliest, but they are all at the same time. There is strong evidence to make you take a real stand on this.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
Romans 1:1820 (ESV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Read on further too and you guys will understand to whom the wrath of God is reserved for....for people who disregard the truth.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
Another verse 1 Thessalonians 4:8 (ESV)
8 Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.
So we can safely say that without a doubt babies, children and whoever is mentally incapable to understand the message of slavation are saved. Christ's atonement paid pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
Another verse implying Christ rejecters as the ones going to hell>
Luke 10:16 (ESV)
16 The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me. Another verse implying the same thing
John 12:48 (ESV)
48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
Another verse implying th importance of children to God's kingdom. MAt 18 1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
Are you a calvinist or a chirstian? "As a calvinist you believe....what about as a christian. ok the bible does not explicitly say babies go to heaven but...implies that. 2 Samuel 12:23 (ESV)
23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. implies that David will reunite and go to where his son went.
justasimplechristian 2 years ago
careful not to place God in a box. babies and mentally handicapped people going to hell is of course a horrible concept to us, but why should that matter? none of us deserve grace in the first place. just because we think it is horrible does not mean it is wrong. His thoughts are not our thoughts, His ways are not our ways. I think we try to change God so he appeals more to us. If you believe in original sin, how can you believe that all babies go to heaven? Maybe im missing something.
makemerawrrr 2 years ago
But joel makes a good point. If God elects us, maybe He can awaken babies or mentally handicapped to make the choice. But i disagree with people who say babies/mentally handicapped automatically go to heaven.
makemerawrrr 2 years ago
I disagree with that too. I believe that no one comes to God without saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The point(s) of the video is that
1) If we have to choose God, then they are doomed
2) God makes good decisions. If he decides to send them to hell, it was the best decision.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
I think, abortioned babies should go to heaven...they are murdered!! They are innocent victims...
kathykisslight 2 years ago
The point of this video was that no one is innocent. No one gets to heaven except by the blood of Jesus.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
Of course anyone who kills their child is not a saved christian and would be sending that child to another place besides heaven (hell).. Just to be clear on this ok.. Please do not kill any children fellow christians because they won`t go to heaven if you do..
georgekentseven 2 years ago
If all babies who die go to heaven,(which they don`t) why are so many christians fighting against the act of abortion? Are these abortion doctors sending millions of souls to heaven? Why don`t christians work harder to make sure abortions are easier to get or even free ? Why not go ahead and kill your own child right now if you think they will go straight to heaven.. Also if there is a chance they might reject christianity later and be lost.. Why take the chance? You know why don`t you?
georgekentseven 2 years ago
Exodus 20:4 mentions God visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the "children" to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me... Does this sound like God is bringing these children of fathers who hate Him to heaven? God does not change and the ten commandments from your God have not changed.. They are still active and the children of those who hate God are still under the curse (not saved) Only if The child comes to Christ can the cycle be broken..
georgekentseven 2 years ago
1 cor 7:14 mentions children made "HOLY" by being the children of a saved parent.. The only children that go to heaven are if they are from a saved mom or dad.. If the baby is from 2 unsaved peoples, than the baby also is "unholy".. Nothing unholy will enter in to heaven including a sinful baby no matter if it is inocent or not..
georgekentseven 2 years ago
How Calvin of you... :)
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
This is just stupid!!!!! What happens if one parent is a Christian and the other one isn`t? Will the baby be cut into half and one half goes to heaven and the other half to hell???? Plus, don`t you know so many Christian families where the kids are out there in the world making more horrendous sins than atheist??I do!! On a personal level.But look at the big-mouthed slut Katy Perry:will she go to heaven because the parents are strong believers??Nobody gets saved on their parents`blood only Jesus
kathykisslight 2 years ago
Wow. Strong judgment and condemnation who professes that by the Grace of God that she is saved.
Don't call yourself a Christian and talk like that on my videos. You will get blocked.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
She is serving Satan with her lifestyle and she will just rot in hell as she deserves it..She even knows the truth, but decided to turn her back on God.Yeah right, innocent babies go to hell, Katy Perry will go to Heaven! What a false "preacher" you are! Don`t bother to block me, I will not come hear again to read and listen to this blabla....You try to spread this on Youtube just because nobody wants to listen to you in your own church or anywhere, I bet....
kathykisslight 2 years ago
That's not a very Christian attitude. You should want Katy to come to saving knowledge of Jesus, not say that she will "rot in hell as she deserves it."
By the way, we all deserve to "rot in hell." That's why the Gospel is "Good News," cause there is also some very bad news that comes first. I pray that God reveals his grace to you in his word.
I hope Jesus' command to "love your enemies" shines true in your life. God bless.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago
this is ridiculous. 1) people do listen to joel in his church, i go with him and i listen as well as many others. 2) "rot in hell as she deserves it." she deserves it no less than you do (or joel or myself or anyone else for that matter).
Jesus didn't approve of John and his bro. trying to call down fire of judgment, so I think you'd better pump your breaks and frankly just shut up until you can speak some words that "give grace to the hearers." (eph. 4:29). in the meantime, pray for katy
johnblythe 2 years ago
I will be very happy to see your astonished faces in Heaven when you get to see all those babies..Hahahaha!!!!!
God is good and not evil like you two!
Katy Perry will be under very -very hard judgement as she clearly turned her back on God and denied Him! I don`t suppose she will return before she dies,,,,so ,,,"Highway to hell"!!!!
kathykisslight 2 years ago
what are you talking about?? i never said they aren't in heaven.
we're evil? really? and you came to that conclusion how?
and instead of praying for Katy to be a prodigal who comes home, you're a bitter "older son" who can't handle the fact that Father God is gracious because you're too concerned with your own prideful, arrogant agenda.
People who don't have any grace have never received any. Your comments are more telling than you realize.
johnblythe 2 years ago
She's already under hard judgment apparently. Grace, grace, grace.
JoelTheCalvinist 2 years ago