Guns on Campus Bill: Professor shows Civil Disobedience

[RetSquid]

This professor is wrong, he cannot prevent people with calculators, cellphones or skateboards from coming into his classroom. Neither can he prevent anyone from exercizing any of their other rights, such as carrying a concealed firearm. Is he going to strip search everyone as they enter?

[Gavinator777]

Yeah I completely agree with the professor. Guns on campus destroys academic freedom. Who in their right mind would voice a disagreement with someone in a classroom who they thought might pull out a gun and kill them? College campuses are not the kind of place for this type of threat.

[RetSquid]

@Gavinator777

Are you saying that you know for a fact that there are no guns in the classroom now? How many fistfights are there in your school during debates? How much self-control do you guys have? Zero?

[Gavinator777]

@RetSquid I don't know with 100% certainty that there are no guns on my school's campus, but I think it is very unlikely considering the potential consequences for being caught. And, there have been zero fistfights in my school during debates. That doesn't mean that there won't be. At some level we are products of our environment and make instinctive choices based on our environment. Living in an environment where anyone can carry a gun affects our desire to speak freely in school.

[RetSquid]

So you think there are no guns because there are consequences? Does the same apply to people who just want to go on a shooting spree and don't care about any consequences?

You ARE living in an environment where anyone can carry a gun in school, you just don't know if they are until it's too late to save your own life. Your instinct may be to hide under a desk and hope you are invisible, my instict would be to protect my life (and yours) by shooting the guy who is trying to kill me.

[Gavinator777]

@RetSquid Yes and yes. First, in your scenario, there are no consequences for carrying a gun. Second, the consequences for shooting a gun are far less immediate and therefore less of a deterrent (i.e. there are security guards roaming the campus 24/7). Third, students in general do care about the consequences more than average given their massive investment of time and money. These reasons make it much less likely for students to carry guns on campus when it is illegal.

[RetSquid]

@Gavinator777

There are consequences for everything. How many security guards do you have on campus? One per room? One per building? A couple for the entire campus?

How about this: there has never been a gun related incident on any of the hundreds of campuses that allow people to do on campus what they can do off campus in the years that they have allowed this. The only incidents have happened where people cannot carry legally. What does that say to you?

[Gavinator777]

@RetSquid It says nothing about the underlying impact on free speech in the classroom. The reason school shootings (not school fistfights) make the headlines is because guns have a much more coercive power. They scare people. People who are frequently surrounded by gun-toting students feel this fear more readily than if they knew that students were not allowed to carry guns. This fear causes some people to withhold their personal opinions, thereby destroying academic freedom.

[RetSquid]

@Gavinator777

If I am planning a shooting spree, do you think a 'no guns allowed' sign is going to stop me? Or is that just going to stop those who are legally carrying a gun, that could have STOPPED that person from going on that spree?

[kelvinjavier]

Sounds AOK with me if the professor will hire armed security for his class.

[45acpreloading]

Guy sounds more like an ass trying to control his little world

[texaliendroid]

This is the same kind of childish acting out that occurs every time we advance gun rights. Like toddlers they have to have a tantrum. Soon this professor will be fired and students with permits will carry if they wish. This is a right and not something some buffoon can ban just because he doesn't like it. University professors have learned to tolerate having people with brown skin in their classrooms and you will learn to tolerate gun owners.

[vonbechtel40]

It's not "his" class!!! He works for the school, who in turn is paid by the students and i am sure, the State. If he rented the classroom, under his own business entity, then maybe he would be justified in enacting "his own rules". I would hope he has a large liability insurance policy, in case the next radical jihadist or homegrown terrorist/crazy comes to his class because they know everyone in there are easy targets, thanks to his "no gun in class rule"!!!

[TheMaskaz]

no seeing eye dogs in the class room no medical aleart bracelets no jewish caps no catholic caps no illegals no children(10 year old guinesses) no pregnant teens(18-19 year olds) would'nt a scakeboard be a resonable means of transportation ---don't we have the right to travle? BET THIS GUY WOULD ALLOW MEDICAL POT IN HIS (?) CLASS ROOM AND TO BE SMOKED DURING CLASS he will what give you a TSA full body search? Personly I would not let poeple with open foot where in class yeak!

[GunOwnerDan]

Criminals prefer helpless victims!

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[ehtnam]

This professor saying he will illegally prevent otherwise lawful students from entering his class while legally carrying a gun is NO DIFFERENT than saying he will not allow blacks at his lunch counter.

The civil rights movement isn't dead, it's just been turned upside down and dropped by libtards when they disagree with the particular civil right being demanded.

[ehtnam]

As for his theory that he can tell students "you can have a skateboard outside of class just not IN the class. you can have a calculator ... you can have a cell phone ..."

Professor, please show me an Arizona state law (much less a US Constitutional Amendment) that guarantees a citizen's right to carry a skateboard, calculator, or cell phone ANYWHERE?

[ehtnam]

I fully understand the idea of civil disobedience (hey, after a long hard fight, it worked for Gandhi and MLK). But those folks were fighting FOR their civil rights and AGAINST government oppression. This professor seems to think it's still "civil disobedience" for an authority figure to impose unlawful restrictions.

[richarcm]

I say we also ban Islamic students. No Islam in MY CLASSROOM. Right?

[richarcm]

I want to live, study and work in a place where I AM safe. Not where I FEEL safe.

[richarcm]

My thought is that once you show me where the crime is biased towards places that have MORE guns VS places where guns are BANNED....I'll side with the gun banners. However statistics do not show that the crime bias lies in the places where people are allowed to practice their rights.

[texaliendroid]

@richarcm

Nigeria, Jamaica, Haiti and most of the most violent nations ban guns.

[gunitup234]

by the way thank you everyone for supporting this bill in my home state of arizona.