Okay... I'm going to make this quick. In what sense is it to justify what/who created God when God himself isn't overruled by his own creation? That's like saying that God is human.
If God is to symbolize "energy", which approves evolution. Then why are we conscious? If evolution is true, then humans are superior than the natural circumstances that made us possible to begin with.
It is not "that we don't accept the painful truth" but its that few number that ruins it for all of us. There are sacreligious people that do the damage.
Before GOD unleashed the Universe, I was there. When He started creating the world, I was there. And when He was working the trees and rocks and lakes and plants, I was there to see it. It was Him who arted the skies with stars and all that matter.
your a piece of shit, who the fuck are you to say God doesn't exist your nothing but a microscopic insect a drop of poison could kill you and you're telling the world that you know the answers? stupid mother fucker...
Wow, this Indian guy is going to prove what he can't measure huh?
Can you measure belief? or Love? or hate?
You can surely give great examples of them? But unless you show by some blood test or MRI, or CT Scan that love or hate, etc. exists? Which all contribute to belief in a higher power?
You can never quantify that. No matter how many case studies you do.
@tomnguyen13 LOL - Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where this is going. Small world - this guy was consulted on my son's case. I met him at a rationalist gathering a couple years later. The idea here is that many spiritual experiences (such as out of body experiences, etc) can be explained neurologically. I haven't seen the movie yet though.
@sinmantyx I really dislike the argument that you can explain an out of body experience by touching the brain. By that logic, you could say that jumping into a river and getting soaked to the bone is fake because I can touch your brain with an electromagnetic pulse and make you feel cold and wet so the act of jumping in the river doesn't really exist. Does that make any sense? of course it doesn't. Just because our brains can reproduce it doesn't mean the event never really happened.
Simply by saying "Who created the creator?" negates any validity of this documentary. The God from the Bible lives in more than 1 dimension of time. This puts him in a plane of time which has no CAUSE or effect and no beginning or end. He simply exists in an eternal plane of time thus he would not need to be created. Beginning and ending are human concepts only. This man does not have the answer.
@knightofhalo Even a being living in a separate dimension would need to be created at some point. By stating that God resides on a plane which has no cause or effect you are saying that he couldn't possibly have any effect on our reality and therefore does not exist. The point of the documentary is that God is a creation of the human mind - an idea. Your point is irrelevant, because you or someone else just made it up.
Don't be a disinformation shill. Not being limited to rationality is not the same as being irrational. Being irrational simply means you're in denial of rationality. But you're still bound by it.
Actually being able to bend physics and all concepts of rationale to your will has no name because we wouldn't be able to do it. But it's suffice to say row row, fight the power.
"Because of the life potential it has within it that no man can create !" - lol, what?
"According your statement, Christ did not die ???" - no, according to you christ did not die. according to you, nobody dies if they believe in your religion.
The Bible never says that man shall not physically die ! All men die but when you belong to Christ, at resurrection day, we are transformed into immortal bodies. I think you are quoting scripture without knowing the scriptures !
I told you, do your home work first and we will talk once your matured enough ......... till then, study and stop watching TV !
the bible isn't the only religious text, your religion isn't the only religion, and your god isn't the only god. you are ignoring all other religions and possible afterlifes just as others ignore yours.
What errskin actually meant, was that you are saved fromt the christan hell, but are condemned in the muslim hell, in the judaic hell, and many other horrible places that each religion says you'll go to when you die. So, he doesn't mean there are many hells accoarding to the bible, nor can we use what the bible says as facts. After all, the bible IS contradictory. Looking at something doesn't prove that god exists, it proves that light is reflected on its surface and into your eyes,.
Isn't the Judaic hell a temporary state? Terrible, but temporary? While many Christians believe their hell is permanant? Also, aren't righteous Gentiles allowed into Judaic Heaven, anyway? I could be mistaken, as this is simply what I have read, and I haven't researched it extensively.
Ok, got it. So, it's better to be condemned in the Judaic hell than in the Christian? Sounds so. Whatever, since those hells are like a game, switching to the best possible rescue XD. And you ARE going to die in less than a century. So the "hells" do not count as they do NOT exist.
But... WHY? Why is death necessary AT ALL in that kind of universe?
And about "scripture" it is VERY telling that Jesus HIMSELF NEVER SAID SUCH A THING. Nor did Paul mention any of that. It is only,... ONLY in revelations where you find talk of "immortal" bodies and other equally fantastic claims if taken literally are not supported by ANYTHING in the bible.
Moreover, to accept Rev. literally without consideration to the historic and linguistic context of the writer is supremely irresponsible.
If you do not want to believe in god follow your own path do not believe in other peoples answers on how to live life and do not listen to other humans that think they're right. Follow your own path but, if you cannot except the culture that was given onto you when you were a child don't fight against it's way of life.
How could you have found the answer if you weren't in the beginning when energy was created and haven't existed when time began. People make up false gods to follow their own religion. LOL how come most peoples statements about god always have to have some variety show on it to make bundles of money. In the bible it says "The love of money is the root of all evil". This person is evil is because he wants to make money on lies. I do not care if your an atheist but, do not believe in rubbish.
"a nigger? black dude sit around momma house drankin kool aid, smokin crack, eatin fried chicken playin basketball all day "
- TuPaCaLyPsE1872
Hi Everybody! This was posted by TuPaCaLyPsE1872 on the vid "10 Questions That Every Intelligent Christian Must Ask".
This seemed like extreme bigotry, hatred, & racism to me. I expose racism as it truly is, an evil ritual where people use your skin color as a reason to hate you. pm me if you would like to contact this racist. Thanks & Peace to all!
People created god in order to ease their existence, and to bring an artificial meaning to their pathetic lives.God is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.
God reflects the minds and instincts of the believers. If they're full of hate and intolerance, their god is too. If they hate knowledge, their god follows faithfully.
¨People created god in order to ease their existence, and to bring an artificial meaning to their pathetic lives.God is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.¨
Haha. Wrong.
Man created evolution in order to ease their existence, and to bring their own meaning to their pathetic lives. Evolution is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.
I think its time (christian, islamic, judaic) as you put it and the hard core atheists, stop GROUPING the idea of a GOD with religion and with the idea of it being all knowing all powerful etc. For the longest time I have argued the middle, that NO ONES KNOW EITHER WAY, and if their is a GOD, their is a chance it is not all powerful and knowing and is merely a scientist from some other dimension we can not understand.
evolution is a scientific theory that explains the diversity of life. it has nothing to do with justifying lusts. it doesn't make sense to claim that either. what lusts are these people justifying? what are these people doing that is so bad?
When a theory is dead you throw it away, if you don´t, there gotta be another reason for still having it there. I can take down the evolution theory with only one point Geological Column. Give me a shout if you´re intrerested.
if you think that you can prove evolution to be wrong then get it published in a peer reviewed journal, im sure your research ill get you paid very well and you will get famous. but it wont prove creationism right so that will give you the means to start working on that. give me a shout once your done.
There are some very serious problems for evolution today. Much more than the mainstream media will ever let you know. Here are three videos as an introduction. Take a look.
You know all those people in the video got DESTROYED by the scientific evidence FOR evolution in the Dover case of 2005? Good try with your creationists propaganda though.
@43eyes Yes, which is why it comes from the interactions of many particles according to some simple rules, which eventually result in the complexity you mentioned.
Kirat people in Nepal connection with Mongolia and Japan.
check the video "Connexion of Mongolia-Kirat:Revealing the Mystery of Origin of Phallus Stone Worship"
The relevant video of stone worshiping in Mongolia, existence of Sivaism in China and as far as Japan and comparing with that of stone worshiping by Kiratas in Nepal shows that the worshiping of stone originated from Mongol people and not Vedic Aryan.
god is not a religion, think this as the evil religions of the world tell you youre wrong, we all are, and we will only find what we beleive when we are dead, so lets just enjoy the ride for now, and stop fighting over whom is right, but more to try to make the earth the heaven we hope for when we die
Hmmm. Imagine? No. But I can plot impossible colors in color space. Moreover, I can observe ELECTROMAGNETIC waves (that is, light) of higher of lower frequencies using different kinds of apparatus.
So, no. Your analogy fails.
Specificlay I would adress one point; God is not "limited" to logic? Ergo, you are stating that god IS irrational/illogical?
And no, time is not of the "things" that can be "created",... it is a property of space-time not a thing in and of itself.
I like how they show crosses in the beginning, then talk about killing people in the name of God while showing Islamic people in the middle east. Lol.
well guys the world is running down-that means it had a startup point! I just want to know why it's sooo hard for people to believe in GOD? you know when you say there is NO GOD you don't understand that you believe in one! and that GOD is you! if you know for certain there is NO GOD you are all knowing making you GOD
what makes more sense? Something that always exsisted created everything, or everything came from nothing? Sience proves God exists from what I jest said. Sience proved spontaneous generation a myth. That proves God is real. Think about that.
So then what created God, if you say he has existed for ever, then why cant the universe have existed for ever too. If your curious, I can explain to you my theories on the universe, First being the Dimensional shift theory and the second being Constant existence theory.
if god has always exsisted then how did he appear. is there someone over him? no it is all made up it is uncomprehessible to say that one guy made everything. people back then probably just said instead of figuring out how it all happened lets make someone up and say he created everything. when we figure out a way to back in time or something go ahead and try to prove me wrong.
and its even stupider to say that one guy created everything from nothing. "oh yea well im pretty bored lets put a ball here and put some people on it." i dont think thats how it went down either
have none of you heard of the big boom! earth broke off a meteor in a big explosion and nature took over. changing one thing into another and progressivly becoming more complex until now. there is no god! i could write a book about how amazingly awsome i am and send it to everyone and say that i am god. 2000 years ago people were stupid and fell for that stuff.
god is the creator of everything in this universe.for god there is no beginning and end..that's why he is god..god exceed our thinking capabilities, no matter how intelligent we are and spend our entire life to find the answer and still we won't find the answer....
God is a hamster, creator of poop and runner of treadmill. For god there is only beginnings and ends, god cannot comprehend our thinking capabilities no matter how much he tries.. god spent his entire life pretending to exist, but oops... he didn't ;))
"no matter how intelligent we are and spend our entire life to find the answer and still we won't find the answer.... " that's exactly my point, you cant know your god exists 100% sure, neither can I. You can also not be sure if Allah exists (or doesnt exist) or the Hindu beliefs are wrong or even Buddhist beliefs are wrong. We will never know the answer as you said, so why not move on with your life and stop worrying about it,
The Qustion who created god is a fallacy, it dosent make sense, How could he created? He always existed.
Did EVERYTHING come from nothing? (impossiable)
or..
Somthing ALWAYS existed and created everything that is created.
If he Always EXISED, How could he be created? So what does that mean? Matter, Time, and space are one thing, But God isn't part of those. you can't destory matter, so it had to be created. And the Bible is the only book that predicts the future, and is right.
There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause, NOT any reason why it not always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is due the poverty of our imagination.
In a sense the theist argument about a first cause cuts the ground from under itself. Everything, it argues, requires a cause. To avoid infinite regress, there must be a first cause. But this first cause is something that has no cause. Therefore not everything requires a cause. Therefore the premise is invalid.
Again, if there is a being which does not require a cause, why should this being not be the universe itself?
that's not very nice. and besides... you make yourself look silly by saying that............ just because the answer is not known, doesn't mean you can fill it in with whatever you like. sure, maybe we don't know how we exist, but that just means we should keep searching. and saying that we exist because of god only begs the question "why does god exist?"
I am not looking for proof. I am asking you what's your idea of god. How can you prove an entity when you don't even known what that entity is. Please tell me what god is to you.
In 21 century religiosity and our concept of God are being explained by neuroscience. I am curious to know what your concept of God is since you believe that God gave us knowledge! I am guessing that you think God is an old man with white beard sitting on a golden throne in a galaxy somewhere.
that is beyond our knowledge how God existed because our minds are so limited that we think that everything has to have a beginning and an end because thats how much knowledge God gave us. and there is something beyond that which the human brain cannot understand
it would be improbable to say we are the largest life around.However to suggest that we are "on" or "in" or around something that is even larger is quite a leap. Lets humor the idea that we are apart of a larger lifeform, would that make him God in the context of what these people claim to be what God is? Bacteria in us dont know of your existence as a human but they are affected by what our bodies do, it wouldnt make the universe divine, it would just make us that less unique or special
Okay, we were created by a man that lives in the sky? That sounds stupid..
BOOM!! the earth is here, there are worms in the bottom of the ocean, that morphs, into fish, that morphs into apes that morphs into humans..that sounds even more foolish..
Why don't we quit fighting over this crap and wait it out...
Honestly, we are probably floating around in some giant alien kangaroo's 5 sextillion mile aquarium being stared at like bacteria..We don't know!!! deal with it.
It appears like you are looking for some paranormal spirit or harry potter type of deal. I made no references to spirits, ghost, fairies, trolls or anything like that.
I am african, life began in africa, so our history is a little bit more in depth than that of the non-african or the western influenced african. Once again you assume..
Your original comment claimed africans had a wider perspective because of longer history.
I don't see how stromatolites or proto-humans are relevant to this.
It is somewhat dependent on your definition of history, but I assume you don't count mineralized evidence of microorganism colonies (3.5 b.y.a.) or proto-humans (200,000 y.a.) as contributing to history.
Since humans behaved like monkeys until 50,000 y.a., by which time the population was global, I don't see what difference it makes.
I would contend that the only supportable argument for historical primacy comes from the first cultures with civilization, which as far as we know from the evidence began in sumeria.
So if length of cultural history is as important as you seemed to claim, we would both have to defer to the middle east centered around modern day iraq.
Oh yes, from my studies, the first civilization was in mesopatamia, so sumeria, mesopatamia, give or take a few hundred miles...lol, it is basically the same area.
you seem to be able to talk alot , but your speak bullshit, where is your proof of God. If you look at humanity as a single human, it is born and matures, 2000 years ago they were trying to figure out there world and so forth, hence why we got religion, it was a way in which to establish answers and control, m3141592 put it well i think. Basically you're scared of death and dont want to accept an idea that suggests there is no god. Im still waiting for some good proof as to where God is...
I can only say that logic speaks greater than transcendent reality. That means you don't need "proof" in images. But sadly, if you can disprove evolution. Then we're all still clueless as to what formed/originated/created us.
Well, sir, it will help out a lot if you would stop trying to use the foolish christian religion as your basis for this argument. Learn more about religion and the concept of religion, there are "holy" books that are older than the bible, there are religions that are more logical...there are more scientific and religious opinions that exist besides google, and youtube.. Fre thinking humans have been on the earth for quite some time, get to know them.
omg really foolwicked shut the fuck up, you sound fucking stupid, you cant go back in time either, you cant PROVE GOD, nor can I prove god DOESNT EXIST, you can go fuck yourself and live a life for a being that isnt there, while I go and enjoy every aspect of life that i can. Go fuck a Bible
You're jumping into conclusions. I'm not saying that since scientists aren't capable of proving no matter what technology they come of it, they can't fight the cause of life. But that doesn't automatically justify a "God".
I dont need a God to enjoy life, I take pleasure in doing everything I can do in this world, from learning, to reading, writing, traveling, meeting new people, being nice just by nature not by trying to get to heaven. I dont need church to keep me going, i dont need prayer, i dont need to follow anything, i make my own values, morals and live by them, not this God. my reality is, that i live life to the fullest i can and at the end of the day I can say whether or not I did what i wanted.
Sometimes religious ppl can be the dumbest ppl in the world. Sometimes they say things that are so stupid its no point in arguing with them. Like some of these fools below me talkin bout, and i quote... "if god came down to earth from all the light in him and the grace your eyes would tottaly just burn out" ...LMAO!!! Damn, thats just stupid
XD wtf is this? Is this for real? How can you not beleive? How do you think we got here? How do you think the universe was created? How do you think the Big Bang began? GOD IS RESPONSIBLE! You athiests better get used to the heat comming your way.
Your inability to understand the complex mechanisms of the universe is not an argument against any scientific theory, in fact it's a testament as to why you choose to have such a foolish outlook on reality.
From what I understand, there was a small and very dense 'lump' of mass that at one point blew apart and scattered matter across the universe.
By the way, if you're looking for a satisfactory answer for how the universe began, you won't be able to get one. The worlds greatest minds that concern themselves with this matter still don't know how the universe began.
So what you're telling me is that this one atomic verve "was" infinitive, until it adhered into the streak of a finite world? Does it make any sense? Once something is infinitive, it can never become finite. So if this one atomic verve was infinitive, we would never exists.
I really have no idea. I've never spent a huge amount of time on such things and don't really plan to. It makes little difference to me although it would be terribly exciting to find out.
Causality only makes sense in the context of time, but time as we understand it would have begun at the big bang (if the big bang is an accurate theory, which is very likely but not certain).
In a sense nothing happened before the big bang because there was no "when" for it to happen "at".
In another sense, the "beginning" of our universe may correspond with the end of our or some "previous" universe.
In another sense our universe may be part of a "larger" sequence.
It doesn't matter if our universe may be, or may "have" been, of a larger sequence. The outcome deducts that our universe is still "finite" and must have an explanation prior to the beginning of this finite aspect. So regardless if our universe is claimed to be but an ongoing chain of phenomenon, the "beginning" of this chain is what's important.
In what possible way can a scientists describe prior to the beginning of "life" from the "absence" of life? Can you go before the beginning of time to watch how "matter, time, and space" came to be?
That's right... you couldn't even go back in time even if you had a time machine. Because before matter, time, and space lies the "absence" of matter, time, and space. We can't solve how it began. It's not an assumption.
An ant crawling on a leaf doesn't know the shape of the tree.
We inhabit space and time, so it's possible our minds are not capable of conceiving the "bigger picture".
"We can't solve how it began. It's not an assumption."
If it's not an assumption you must have testable proof. You do not, so you may be mistaken.
Insistence on absolutes is the mark of a childish awareness. Learn some physics, logic and philosophy, then answer again in ten years when you're twenty.
The very thought of establishing prior to the beginning of life impedes the laws of physics itself.
Think of it like this... if you had a time machine and you go back before "time" ever existed. You'd practically be "dead". Because you've entered a world which defines the very absence of "world" and existence.
It's more like a logical term, no different than trying to impede the laws of gravity. Going back before time is like trying to float in gravity. The very statement contradicts itself.
We can only "theorize" the very "start" of existence. But that isn't enough to prove there's no God. You'd have to be able to see before the beginning to understand. It's simple really.... =\
You'd have to actually "witness" the cause of the beginning of existence... but it's impossible. (even with a time machine)
"Think of it like this...[blah blah, ramble ramble]"
No thankyou. I'd rather think of it like someone who has a grasp of logic and reason, as opposed to a stream of scientific sounding but meaningless verbal diarrhea.
Is it like that though? To me that seems like another demonstration that analyzing counter-intuitive things by analogy doesn't work.
I've conversed with users who talk in txtspeak but have more effective analytical skills. If one is describing coherent thoughts it can be done with quite rudimentary language.
If your thoughts are incoherent, the more precise the language the bigger tit you come across as.
It's not the language you use, it's the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
God did not create man
You say, it was man who created God?
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
@BeamSurfer Yes!@ Man created god
splicedenergy 9 months ago
@TheLogicTroll
lolwut?
im pretty sure that was a criticism of the concept of god, but youre a troll, and this doesnt matter, and my boss just took away my dental plan...
cluch9 1 year ago
Okay... I'm going to make this quick. In what sense is it to justify what/who created God when God himself isn't overruled by his own creation? That's like saying that God is human.
If God is to symbolize "energy", which approves evolution. Then why are we conscious? If evolution is true, then humans are superior than the natural circumstances that made us possible to begin with.
KakashiTheFirst 1 year ago
It is not "that we don't accept the painful truth" but its that few number that ruins it for all of us. There are sacreligious people that do the damage.
bigfootman7234 1 year ago
@Prodigy947
no, im an atheist, i dont think life is about having fun
i beleive you should work hard, live a good happy life
were not all crack addicted neds you know
cluch9 1 year ago
Before GOD unleashed the Universe, I was there. When He started creating the world, I was there. And when He was working the trees and rocks and lakes and plants, I was there to see it. It was Him who arted the skies with stars and all that matter.
Airlightf 1 year ago
your a piece of shit, who the fuck are you to say God doesn't exist your nothing but a microscopic insect a drop of poison could kill you and you're telling the world that you know the answers? stupid mother fucker...
bloodioutlaw 1 year ago
@bloodioutlaw who the fuck are your to say that he does !
MrDasmaster 1 year ago
Wow, this Indian guy is going to prove what he can't measure huh?
Can you measure belief? or Love? or hate?
You can surely give great examples of them? But unless you show by some blood test or MRI, or CT Scan that love or hate, etc. exists? Which all contribute to belief in a higher power?
You can never quantify that. No matter how many case studies you do.
Your argument is good, but dead.
GuardianAngel5150 1 year ago
SPOILER:
Mankind created God.
tomnguyen13 1 year ago
@tomnguyen13 LOL - Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where this is going. Small world - this guy was consulted on my son's case. I met him at a rationalist gathering a couple years later. The idea here is that many spiritual experiences (such as out of body experiences, etc) can be explained neurologically. I haven't seen the movie yet though.
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx I really dislike the argument that you can explain an out of body experience by touching the brain. By that logic, you could say that jumping into a river and getting soaked to the bone is fake because I can touch your brain with an electromagnetic pulse and make you feel cold and wet so the act of jumping in the river doesn't really exist. Does that make any sense? of course it doesn't. Just because our brains can reproduce it doesn't mean the event never really happened.
InDevMode 7 months ago
Simply by saying "Who created the creator?" negates any validity of this documentary. The God from the Bible lives in more than 1 dimension of time. This puts him in a plane of time which has no CAUSE or effect and no beginning or end. He simply exists in an eternal plane of time thus he would not need to be created. Beginning and ending are human concepts only. This man does not have the answer.
knightofhalo 1 year ago
@knightofhalo Even a being living in a separate dimension would need to be created at some point. By stating that God resides on a plane which has no cause or effect you are saying that he couldn't possibly have any effect on our reality and therefore does not exist. The point of the documentary is that God is a creation of the human mind - an idea. Your point is irrelevant, because you or someone else just made it up.
maxxer54 1 year ago
@knightofhalo the go from the bible was created by men !
MrDasmaster 1 year ago
man I can't wait to see the movie!!
anetchi 1 year ago
Don't be a disinformation shill. Not being limited to rationality is not the same as being irrational. Being irrational simply means you're in denial of rationality. But you're still bound by it.
Actually being able to bend physics and all concepts of rationale to your will has no name because we wouldn't be able to do it. But it's suffice to say row row, fight the power.
JimProfitCat 2 years ago
When and where is the film showing?
CuteChadz 2 years ago
The film will be out as DVD in a couple of months. I will keep you posted. thanks for the interest.
vilasune 2 years ago
Thanks would you also be able to tell me where I can buy it from?
CuteChadz 2 years ago
I sure will
vilasune 2 years ago
One human's mind created God.
asimonds422 2 years ago
Romans.1:20-25.
intheopen 2 years ago
Kind of a new twist on the devils original lie. Eat the fruit and you'll be like God.
imikewillrockyou 2 years ago
If god did exist he would show himself
wazza16981 2 years ago
He did show himself !!!
Look at nature, you'll see life which is God !!
Best of all, Christ came down from heaven so God would live amongst men through Jesus himself.
Then Jesus offered himself to cleans us from our sins so we may have eternal life.
philippeclement 2 years ago
"Look at nature, you'll see life which is God !!" - how in the hell does looking at something natural suggest something supernatural?
"Then Jesus offered himself to cleans us from our sins" - he didn't offer himself, according to the bible he didn't even die.
errskin 2 years ago
Let me mark you as an ignorant non Bible reader !
How does nature keep living ??? Because of the life potential it has within it that no man can create !
According your statement, Christ did not die ???
There are over 50 references in the Bible to Christ's death on the cross !!! I can give you a few of them. (Matt 16:21 & Rom 5:8 & 1Cor 15:3 )
What's your bible version ? And show me where on earth do you find that even in your bible !!!
Just do your home work first, then we will talk later !
philippeclement 2 years ago
"Because of the life potential it has within it that no man can create !" - lol, what?
"According your statement, Christ did not die ???" - no, according to you christ did not die. according to you, nobody dies if they believe in your religion.
errskin 2 years ago
You've mist the point !
The Bible never says that man shall not physically die ! All men die but when you belong to Christ, at resurrection day, we are transformed into immortal bodies. I think you are quoting scripture without knowing the scriptures !
I told you, do your home work first and we will talk once your matured enough ......... till then, study and stop watching TV !
philippeclement 2 years ago
im talking about the claim of christ dying.
errskin 2 years ago
ok, well ... never mind ;-)
There is still hope ;-)
Good to be saved, i'm real glad about that !!!
philippeclement 2 years ago
you are only saved from one hell, you are damned to countless others, just like me.
errskin 2 years ago
One hell ??? There is only one hell anyway !!!
Now where in the bible are there other countless hells ????
Come on, quote scripture and dont talk your head off !
Now if you dont give back a creditable answer, i'm spaming you as a useless debater !
I'm giving you a last chance. Give me a biblical and creditable answer, if not settle down !
philippeclement 2 years ago
the bible isn't the only religious text, your religion isn't the only religion, and your god isn't the only god. you are ignoring all other religions and possible afterlifes just as others ignore yours.
errskin 2 years ago
What errskin actually meant, was that you are saved fromt the christan hell, but are condemned in the muslim hell, in the judaic hell, and many other horrible places that each religion says you'll go to when you die. So, he doesn't mean there are many hells accoarding to the bible, nor can we use what the bible says as facts. After all, the bible IS contradictory. Looking at something doesn't prove that god exists, it proves that light is reflected on its surface and into your eyes,.
justforflag2 2 years ago
Justforflag,
Isn't the Judaic hell a temporary state? Terrible, but temporary? While many Christians believe their hell is permanant? Also, aren't righteous Gentiles allowed into Judaic Heaven, anyway? I could be mistaken, as this is simply what I have read, and I haven't researched it extensively.
LocustCloacina 2 years ago
Ok, got it. So, it's better to be condemned in the Judaic hell than in the Christian? Sounds so. Whatever, since those hells are like a game, switching to the best possible rescue XD. And you ARE going to die in less than a century. So the "hells" do not count as they do NOT exist.
justforflag2 2 years ago
@philippeclement A "biblical and credible answer" is an oxymoron.
cablepanos 2 years ago
But... WHY? Why is death necessary AT ALL in that kind of universe?
And about "scripture" it is VERY telling that Jesus HIMSELF NEVER SAID SUCH A THING. Nor did Paul mention any of that. It is only,... ONLY in revelations where you find talk of "immortal" bodies and other equally fantastic claims if taken literally are not supported by ANYTHING in the bible.
Moreover, to accept Rev. literally without consideration to the historic and linguistic context of the writer is supremely irresponsible.
EmanuelWazar 2 years ago
this video makes me believe there are sane people in the world
kamikazi445 2 years ago
If you do not want to believe in god follow your own path do not believe in other peoples answers on how to live life and do not listen to other humans that think they're right. Follow your own path but, if you cannot except the culture that was given onto you when you were a child don't fight against it's way of life.
SuperKvance 2 years ago
thank you, its like you just put all my thoughts into a breif statement, lol nice spelling too
kamikazi445 2 years ago
Wrong is wrong. I dont care if I offend the culture I was brainwashed with.
If it is BS then no amount of perfume can cover the stench.
4me2cclearly 2 years ago
How could you have found the answer if you weren't in the beginning when energy was created and haven't existed when time began. People make up false gods to follow their own religion. LOL how come most peoples statements about god always have to have some variety show on it to make bundles of money. In the bible it says "The love of money is the root of all evil". This person is evil is because he wants to make money on lies. I do not care if your an atheist but, do not believe in rubbish.
SuperKvance 2 years ago
~HHmmm. . . I'd have to say this is intresting!~
+LarVa+
7LarVa4Queen1Kunt 2 years ago
"a nigger? black dude sit around momma house drankin kool aid, smokin crack, eatin fried chicken playin basketball all day "
- TuPaCaLyPsE1872
Hi Everybody! This was posted by TuPaCaLyPsE1872 on the vid "10 Questions That Every Intelligent Christian Must Ask".
This seemed like extreme bigotry, hatred, & racism to me. I expose racism as it truly is, an evil ritual where people use your skin color as a reason to hate you. pm me if you would like to contact this racist. Thanks & Peace to all!
DemonicCathode 2 years ago 2
God is an infinite source of probability waves. When we humans observe the waves they become matter.
trurocker03 2 years ago
You have NO idea what God is or even if there is a God!
99minerkc 2 years ago
Why call it God? This only muddies the matter. You express a reality that is based on the fringes of scientific understanding, why invoke a Deity?
Dieselcrunch 2 years ago
People created god in order to ease their existence, and to bring an artificial meaning to their pathetic lives.God is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.
God reflects the minds and instincts of the believers. If they're full of hate and intolerance, their god is too. If they hate knowledge, their god follows faithfully.
armelix73 2 years ago
¨People created god in order to ease their existence, and to bring an artificial meaning to their pathetic lives.God is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.¨
Haha. Wrong.
Man created evolution in order to ease their existence, and to bring their own meaning to their pathetic lives. Evolution is just an excuse for their primitive instincts of intolerance and death.
Inmatinus 2 years ago
@Inmatinus
Evolution is a fact. The animal instincts harbored within the human psyche are the result of our common ancestry.
Why would a god, in your opinion, create a creature with such a set of instincts? How could a free and almighty god fail so miserably?
God is free and yet flawless. Why not create people who were free and yet flawless?
Believe me, you're struggling against the windmills. The idea of a god you propose (christian, islamic, judaic) has been busted long ago!
armelix73 2 years ago
I think its time (christian, islamic, judaic) as you put it and the hard core atheists, stop GROUPING the idea of a GOD with religion and with the idea of it being all knowing all powerful etc. For the longest time I have argued the middle, that NO ONES KNOW EITHER WAY, and if their is a GOD, their is a chance it is not all powerful and knowing and is merely a scientist from some other dimension we can not understand.
MASTERPPA 2 years ago
no your wrong
evolution was created simply by replication, manipulation, natural selection and genetic drift that is why in fact you are wrong and he was right
joshman94 2 years ago
"Man created evolution in order to ease their existence" - evolution does not bring any meaning into anyones lives. man did not create evolution.
errskin 2 years ago
Evolution does bring meaning to their lives, they choice which path to go themselves. And my main point evolution is a excuse to justify their lusts.
Inmatinus 2 years ago
evolution is a scientific theory that explains the diversity of life. it has nothing to do with justifying lusts. it doesn't make sense to claim that either. what lusts are these people justifying? what are these people doing that is so bad?
errskin 2 years ago
When a theory is dead you throw it away, if you don´t, there gotta be another reason for still having it there. I can take down the evolution theory with only one point Geological Column. Give me a shout if you´re intrerested.
Inmatinus 2 years ago
if you think that you can prove evolution to be wrong then get it published in a peer reviewed journal, im sure your research ill get you paid very well and you will get famous. but it wont prove creationism right so that will give you the means to start working on that. give me a shout once your done.
errskin 2 years ago
Actual proof against evolution? This would be a first...
pyVlad 2 years ago 6
There are some very serious problems for evolution today. Much more than the mainstream media will ever let you know. Here are three videos as an introduction. Take a look.
watch?v=4DkbmuRhXRY
watch?v=iZFM48XIXnk
watch?v=q1iCjKWzeEE
imikewillrockyou 2 years ago
You know all those people in the video got DESTROYED by the scientific evidence FOR evolution in the Dover case of 2005? Good try with your creationists propaganda though.
Militarized 2 years ago
@pyVlad PROOF AGAINST EVOLUTION: The world is far to complex to come from monkeys and chance
43eyes 1 year ago
@43eyes Yes, which is why it comes from the interactions of many particles according to some simple rules, which eventually result in the complexity you mentioned.
pyVlad 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Kirat people in Nepal connection with Mongolia and Japan.
check the video "Connexion of Mongolia-Kirat:Revealing the Mystery of Origin of Phallus Stone Worship"
The relevant video of stone worshiping in Mongolia, existence of Sivaism in China and as far as Japan and comparing with that of stone worshiping by Kiratas in Nepal shows that the worshiping of stone originated from Mongol people and not Vedic Aryan.
diliprai 2 years ago
logics, reason.. thanks for this video
luxunity 2 years ago
:O!!! my video was up first lolololol but was alot shittier than this. good job
CaveofTwoLovers 2 years ago
god is not a religion, think this as the evil religions of the world tell you youre wrong, we all are, and we will only find what we beleive when we are dead, so lets just enjoy the ride for now, and stop fighting over whom is right, but more to try to make the earth the heaven we hope for when we die
cluch9 2 years ago 6
AMEN!
blacksept47 2 years ago
revenge 9/11 nuke meckah :D
ghostriderblack89 2 years ago
please also recognize that God is not limited to the logic of this universe because He was the one who created that logic (time).
Our human brains are limited to that logic and cannot imagine something more complicated than it. And it will always be limited to that.
Just as we can only see 5 colors and we cannot imagine any color we havent seen yet.
Can you imagine a color you have not yet before seen?
lemostick 2 years ago
Oh right, when atheists use logic to prove God doesn't exist... He still does, because LOGIC IS WRONG.
WeAreInItForTheLulz 2 years ago
nice reasoning. good thing you dont need logic
Invisiblefiyah 2 years ago
Hmmm. Imagine? No. But I can plot impossible colors in color space. Moreover, I can observe ELECTROMAGNETIC waves (that is, light) of higher of lower frequencies using different kinds of apparatus.
So, no. Your analogy fails.
Specificlay I would adress one point; God is not "limited" to logic? Ergo, you are stating that god IS irrational/illogical?
And no, time is not of the "things" that can be "created",... it is a property of space-time not a thing in and of itself.
EmanuelWazar 2 years ago
I like how they show crosses in the beginning, then talk about killing people in the name of God while showing Islamic people in the middle east. Lol.
Tsilegnave 3 years ago
Does anyone know when this is coming out? Has it already come out?
blacksept47 3 years ago
Feb 2008... yeah, I'd say so.
I read something about this in new scientist. It was about a predisposition in a part of the brain to make some people more open to the supernatural.
xFENRISx 2 years ago 2
well guys the world is running down-that means it had a startup point! I just want to know why it's sooo hard for people to believe in GOD? you know when you say there is NO GOD you don't understand that you believe in one! and that GOD is you! if you know for certain there is NO GOD you are all knowing making you GOD
daddyd852 3 years ago
i'm not saying there is no god. i'm saying your magical murdering sky daddy from supermagicland taught in the bible doesn't exist!!!
garyz4810 3 years ago 3
Nah, you can call bull-shit on something without becoming a Deity, there is no logic in what you write.
Dieselcrunch 2 years ago
fuck allah! i hope all muslims die, slowly and painfully.
benjaminman 3 years ago
what makes more sense? Something that always exsisted created everything, or everything came from nothing? Sience proves God exists from what I jest said. Sience proved spontaneous generation a myth. That proves God is real. Think about that.
silentslayers2 3 years ago
So then what created God, if you say he has existed for ever, then why cant the universe have existed for ever too. If your curious, I can explain to you my theories on the universe, First being the Dimensional shift theory and the second being Constant existence theory.
zmod101 3 years ago 2
if god has always exsisted then how did he appear. is there someone over him? no it is all made up it is uncomprehessible to say that one guy made everything. people back then probably just said instead of figuring out how it all happened lets make someone up and say he created everything. when we figure out a way to back in time or something go ahead and try to prove me wrong.
cokecannn 3 years ago
u just got owned!!!
cokecannn 3 years ago
and its even stupider to say that one guy created everything from nothing. "oh yea well im pretty bored lets put a ball here and put some people on it." i dont think thats how it went down either
cokecannn 3 years ago
have none of you heard of the big boom! earth broke off a meteor in a big explosion and nature took over. changing one thing into another and progressivly becoming more complex until now. there is no god! i could write a book about how amazingly awsome i am and send it to everyone and say that i am god. 2000 years ago people were stupid and fell for that stuff.
cokecannn 3 years ago
god is the creator of everything in this universe.for god there is no beginning and end..that's why he is god..god exceed our thinking capabilities, no matter how intelligent we are and spend our entire life to find the answer and still we won't find the answer....
dataone077 3 years ago
God is a hamster, creator of poop and runner of treadmill. For god there is only beginnings and ends, god cannot comprehend our thinking capabilities no matter how much he tries.. god spent his entire life pretending to exist, but oops... he didn't ;))
GronTheMighty 3 years ago
"no matter how intelligent we are and spend our entire life to find the answer and still we won't find the answer.... " that's exactly my point, you cant know your god exists 100% sure, neither can I. You can also not be sure if Allah exists (or doesnt exist) or the Hindu beliefs are wrong or even Buddhist beliefs are wrong. We will never know the answer as you said, so why not move on with your life and stop worrying about it,
zmod101 3 years ago
The Qustion who created god is a fallacy, it dosent make sense, How could he created? He always existed.
Did EVERYTHING come from nothing? (impossiable)
or..
Somthing ALWAYS existed and created everything that is created.
If he Always EXISED, How could he be created? So what does that mean? Matter, Time, and space are one thing, But God isn't part of those. you can't destory matter, so it had to be created. And the Bible is the only book that predicts the future, and is right.
budgielover9 3 years ago
There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause, NOT any reason why it not always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is due the poverty of our imagination.
paxtonhume 3 years ago
In a sense the theist argument about a first cause cuts the ground from under itself. Everything, it argues, requires a cause. To avoid infinite regress, there must be a first cause. But this first cause is something that has no cause. Therefore not everything requires a cause. Therefore the premise is invalid.
Again, if there is a being which does not require a cause, why should this being not be the universe itself?
paxtonhume 3 years ago
then how do we exist. idiot.
BunnyBUNGALO 3 years ago
that's not very nice. and besides... you make yourself look silly by saying that............ just because the answer is not known, doesn't mean you can fill it in with whatever you like. sure, maybe we don't know how we exist, but that just means we should keep searching. and saying that we exist because of god only begs the question "why does god exist?"
pativers 3 years ago
well i guess that we will never know until the time it is meant for us to know.
BunnyBUNGALO 3 years ago
I am not looking for proof. I am asking you what's your idea of god. How can you prove an entity when you don't even known what that entity is. Please tell me what god is to you.
vilasune 3 years ago
mathematical proof of God...check out the videos by superwhuffo1
wildmanthe2nd 3 years ago
In 21 century religiosity and our concept of God are being explained by neuroscience. I am curious to know what your concept of God is since you believe that God gave us knowledge! I am guessing that you think God is an old man with white beard sitting on a golden throne in a galaxy somewhere.
vilasune 3 years ago
that is beyond our knowledge how God existed because our minds are so limited that we think that everything has to have a beginning and an end because thats how much knowledge God gave us. and there is something beyond that which the human brain cannot understand
alibabaaaaaaaaaaaa 3 years ago
No. This is absolutely not true.
Unless... you WANT it to be.
Krumbz2003 3 years ago
i didnt like the scenes with cruelty to animals.
dollywasher 3 years ago
I don't think the animals liked it either.
But alas... religion. Sacrificing sheeps, goats and humans for centuries... to please their deity of choice.
All I'm sayin' is... if I was god... I'm not too sure that a headless goat would please me. Might even freak me out a little bit.
Krumbz2003 3 years ago
we live inside something bigger if you want to call it a God its up to you...but all life ether split from a other form or was born...
our body's give off heat and we know smaller things live on us..is it really such a leap to think that we are not the largest life around.
something I have thought about for a long time.
No way for me to prove or disprove it.
Wrath024 3 years ago
it would be improbable to say we are the largest life around.However to suggest that we are "on" or "in" or around something that is even larger is quite a leap. Lets humor the idea that we are apart of a larger lifeform, would that make him God in the context of what these people claim to be what God is? Bacteria in us dont know of your existence as a human but they are affected by what our bodies do, it wouldnt make the universe divine, it would just make us that less unique or special
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
That's weird. I posted a comment and it disappeared.
So, mknuwet, do you think anything can be known?
How do YOU decide what is true?
m3141592 3 years ago
Okay, we were created by a man that lives in the sky? That sounds stupid..
BOOM!! the earth is here, there are worms in the bottom of the ocean, that morphs, into fish, that morphs into apes that morphs into humans..that sounds even more foolish..
Why don't we quit fighting over this crap and wait it out...
Honestly, we are probably floating around in some giant alien kangaroo's 5 sextillion mile aquarium being stared at like bacteria..We don't know!!! deal with it.
mknuwet 3 years ago
"there are worms in the bottom of the ocean, that morphs, into fish, that morphs into apes that morphs into humans..that sounds even more foolish.."
That does sound very foolish. Because that's exactly the impression creationists were aiming for when they invented that straw man.
I think it's a bit arrogant to criticize something which you don't understand.
Especially when your only knowledge of it comes from the propaganda of it's opponents.
How do you decide what is true?
m3141592 3 years ago
Well good sir, I don't know...you don't either.
Nobody knows.
It is arrogant to think that you know..
mknuwet 3 years ago
I think that some things can be known.
Like whether religious teachings or the scientific method is more reliable and accurate for describing and predicting the natural world.
Or whether there has ever been any evidence* for the existence of supernatural forces such as the holy spirit.
(*please check definition before reflexive histrionics or knee-jerk denials.)
m3141592 3 years ago
It appears like you are looking for some paranormal spirit or harry potter type of deal. I made no references to spirits, ghost, fairies, trolls or anything like that.
I am african, life began in africa, so our history is a little bit more in depth than that of the non-african or the western influenced african. Once again you assume..
Those things do not exist.
mknuwet 3 years ago
"It appears like you are looking for some paranormal spirit"
Huh?
"life began in africa, so our history is a little bit more in depth than that of the non-african or the western influenced african"
There's no historical record that goes back that far! The reason we think humanity came from africa is from archeology, fossils and dna.
The oldest civilisation with a written history was in iraq about 6,000 years ago.
m3141592 3 years ago
Well, the 3.5 billion year old rock fossils that cannot be found anywhere else suggest that life began in africa.
mknuwet 3 years ago
"Well, the 3.5 billion year old rock fossils that cannot be found anywhere else suggest that life began in africa. "
The fossils you refer to (stromatolites) are widely accepted as being oldest in australia.
This is irrelevant to the original comment, which was about the length of human history in africa.
The oldest human or proto-human fossils are genrally accepted to be african, and mitochondrial dna supports this.
This is pre-historic though. Historical records began in sumeria (iraq).
m3141592 3 years ago
Your original comment claimed africans had a wider perspective because of longer history.
I don't see how stromatolites or proto-humans are relevant to this.
It is somewhat dependent on your definition of history, but I assume you don't count mineralized evidence of microorganism colonies (3.5 b.y.a.) or proto-humans (200,000 y.a.) as contributing to history.
Since humans behaved like monkeys until 50,000 y.a., by which time the population was global, I don't see what difference it makes.
m3141592 3 years ago
I would contend that the only supportable argument for historical primacy comes from the first cultures with civilization, which as far as we know from the evidence began in sumeria.
So if length of cultural history is as important as you seemed to claim, we would both have to defer to the middle east centered around modern day iraq.
m3141592 3 years ago
Oh yes, from my studies, the first civilization was in mesopatamia, so sumeria, mesopatamia, give or take a few hundred miles...lol, it is basically the same area.
mknuwet 3 years ago
dude you are a biggest fan of god of war.dont try to fake it.we already know that you are tryna say that titans created the gods.
Aydee2020 3 years ago
God is Everything. The Sun, Moon, Stars, Air you breathe. Why can't we all accept that.
standforchange08 3 years ago
prove that with logic and empirical thinking. It cant be done. That's why not every one can accept it.
keviimis 3 years ago
because this god of yours is fake
its just that simple
kvj1989 3 years ago
"God is Everything. The Sun, Moon, Stars, Air you breathe. Why can't we all accept that."
That may be true. If god is the consciousness of the entire universe then science is "holier" than religion.
Scientists seek to understand the universe. Religious believers seek only things which confirm the bible (a very small part of the universe).
Science is vastly superior when understanding and predicting the natural world. If the entire natural world is god, science is closer to god.
m3141592 3 years ago
their*
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
you seem to be able to talk alot , but your speak bullshit, where is your proof of God. If you look at humanity as a single human, it is born and matures, 2000 years ago they were trying to figure out there world and so forth, hence why we got religion, it was a way in which to establish answers and control, m3141592 put it well i think. Basically you're scared of death and dont want to accept an idea that suggests there is no god. Im still waiting for some good proof as to where God is...
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
I can only say that logic speaks greater than transcendent reality. That means you don't need "proof" in images. But sadly, if you can disprove evolution. Then we're all still clueless as to what formed/originated/created us.
foolwicked 3 years ago
Well, sir, it will help out a lot if you would stop trying to use the foolish christian religion as your basis for this argument. Learn more about religion and the concept of religion, there are "holy" books that are older than the bible, there are religions that are more logical...there are more scientific and religious opinions that exist besides google, and youtube.. Fre thinking humans have been on the earth for quite some time, get to know them.
mknuwet 3 years ago
Foolwicked Im still waiting on your proof of God...............
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
omg really foolwicked shut the fuck up, you sound fucking stupid, you cant go back in time either, you cant PROVE GOD, nor can I prove god DOESNT EXIST, you can go fuck yourself and live a life for a being that isnt there, while I go and enjoy every aspect of life that i can. Go fuck a Bible
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
You're jumping into conclusions. I'm not saying that since scientists aren't capable of proving no matter what technology they come of it, they can't fight the cause of life. But that doesn't automatically justify a "God".
foolwicked 3 years ago
find*
foolwicked 3 years ago
How much do you want to bet that scientists will never find the clarification as to what created/originated/started this expanding universe? =o
foolwicked 3 years ago
Wanna' know why they cant? Because we weren't there! xD
foolwicked 3 years ago
I dont need a God to enjoy life, I take pleasure in doing everything I can do in this world, from learning, to reading, writing, traveling, meeting new people, being nice just by nature not by trying to get to heaven. I dont need church to keep me going, i dont need prayer, i dont need to follow anything, i make my own values, morals and live by them, not this God. my reality is, that i live life to the fullest i can and at the end of the day I can say whether or not I did what i wanted.
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
You just succinctly put in few words the meaning,purpose and goal in life. Very well said.
Vivek
vilasune 3 years ago
well said Two3Productions
SuntUzi23 3 years ago
Sometimes religious ppl can be the dumbest ppl in the world. Sometimes they say things that are so stupid its no point in arguing with them. Like some of these fools below me talkin bout, and i quote... "if god came down to earth from all the light in him and the grace your eyes would tottaly just burn out" ...LMAO!!! Damn, thats just stupid
Two3Productions 3 years ago 2
XD wtf is this? Is this for real? How can you not beleive? How do you think we got here? How do you think the universe was created? How do you think the Big Bang began? GOD IS RESPONSIBLE! You athiests better get used to the heat comming your way.
electrofreakXC 3 years ago
Your inability to understand the complex mechanisms of the universe is not an argument against any scientific theory, in fact it's a testament as to why you choose to have such a foolish outlook on reality.
lebensraum 3 years ago
And what's your outlook on reality?
foolwicked 3 years ago
With regards to what?
lebensraum 3 years ago
Regarding to how everything "began".
foolwicked 3 years ago
Since I'm not a specialist in the field, I believe what the specialists believe is the best explanation thus far, the Big Bang.
lebensraum 3 years ago
Uhuh... =\
foolwicked 3 years ago
Care to elaborate?
lebensraum 3 years ago
"How can you not beleive?"
Because there is no physical evidence whatsoever.
"How do you think the Big Bang began?"
How do you think god's existence began?
"How do you think the universe was created"
"Created" suggests a creator, so that's not how atheists look at it.
How do you think god was created?
m3141592 3 years ago
Whoa wait a second.. you didn't even answer "How do you think the Big Bang began". =o
I'd like to know what you have to say about that.
foolwicked 3 years ago
From what I understand, there was a small and very dense 'lump' of mass that at one point blew apart and scattered matter across the universe.
By the way, if you're looking for a satisfactory answer for how the universe began, you won't be able to get one. The worlds greatest minds that concern themselves with this matter still don't know how the universe began.
lebensraum 3 years ago
Exactly...
And this very small dense 'lump' must've had a cause. I don't understand how it got there... =\
foolwicked 3 years ago
I'm not sure anyone does. Maybe it never got there, maybe it just always was.
lebensraum 3 years ago
So what you're telling me is that this one atomic verve "was" infinitive, until it adhered into the streak of a finite world? Does it make any sense? Once something is infinitive, it can never become finite. So if this one atomic verve was infinitive, we would never exists.
foolwicked 3 years ago
I really have no idea. I've never spent a huge amount of time on such things and don't really plan to. It makes little difference to me although it would be terribly exciting to find out.
lebensraum 3 years ago
"must've had a cause"
Causality only makes sense in the context of time, but time as we understand it would have begun at the big bang (if the big bang is an accurate theory, which is very likely but not certain).
In a sense nothing happened before the big bang because there was no "when" for it to happen "at".
In another sense, the "beginning" of our universe may correspond with the end of our or some "previous" universe.
In another sense our universe may be part of a "larger" sequence.
m3141592 3 years ago
It doesn't matter if our universe may be, or may "have" been, of a larger sequence. The outcome deducts that our universe is still "finite" and must have an explanation prior to the beginning of this finite aspect. So regardless if our universe is claimed to be but an ongoing chain of phenomenon, the "beginning" of this chain is what's important.
foolwicked 3 years ago
"How do you think the Big Bang began"
With a very dense lump expanding.
As to what happened before, I don't know.
I'm completely comfortable with that and don't have a problem saying I don't know.
Since there's not enough data to have an informed opinion, and definitely not enough to assert certainty.
I expect our space time is actually a 4 dimensional "slice" of a higher dimensional structure, but that's just a guess.
No point making something up without evidence and insisting it's true.
m3141592 3 years ago
But we "can't" have evidence... =o
We can't now... and we will not in the future...
foolwicked 3 years ago
"We can't now... and we will not in the future..."
I don't see why that should be. Just because you personally can't imagine it, you shouldn't assume nobody ever will.
m3141592 3 years ago
In what possible way can a scientists describe prior to the beginning of "life" from the "absence" of life? Can you go before the beginning of time to watch how "matter, time, and space" came to be?
That's right... you couldn't even go back in time even if you had a time machine. Because before matter, time, and space lies the "absence" of matter, time, and space. We can't solve how it began. It's not an assumption.
foolwicked 3 years ago
An ant crawling on a leaf doesn't know the shape of the tree.
We inhabit space and time, so it's possible our minds are not capable of conceiving the "bigger picture".
"We can't solve how it began. It's not an assumption."
If it's not an assumption you must have testable proof. You do not, so you may be mistaken.
Insistence on absolutes is the mark of a childish awareness. Learn some physics, logic and philosophy, then answer again in ten years when you're twenty.
m3141592 3 years ago
The very thought of establishing prior to the beginning of life impedes the laws of physics itself.
Think of it like this... if you had a time machine and you go back before "time" ever existed. You'd practically be "dead". Because you've entered a world which defines the very absence of "world" and existence.
It's more like a logical term, no different than trying to impede the laws of gravity. Going back before time is like trying to float in gravity. The very statement contradicts itself.
foolwicked 3 years ago
It's like saying... "I'm going back in time before time".
foolwicked 3 years ago
We can only "theorize" the very "start" of existence. But that isn't enough to prove there's no God. You'd have to be able to see before the beginning to understand. It's simple really.... =\
You'd have to actually "witness" the cause of the beginning of existence... but it's impossible. (even with a time machine)
foolwicked 3 years ago
foolwicked
"Think of it like this...[blah blah, ramble ramble]"
No thankyou. I'd rather think of it like someone who has a grasp of logic and reason, as opposed to a stream of scientific sounding but meaningless verbal diarrhea.
"like trying to float in gravity"
You've not heard of water then?
m3141592 3 years ago
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It's like focusing closely on the enunciation than rather the point I'm trying to make.
foolwicked 3 years ago
Is it like that though? To me that seems like another demonstration that analyzing counter-intuitive things by analogy doesn't work.
I've conversed with users who talk in txtspeak but have more effective analytical skills. If one is describing coherent thoughts it can be done with quite rudimentary language.
If your thoughts are incoherent, the more precise the language the bigger tit you come across as.
It's not the language you use, it's the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
m3141592 3 years ago
o_____O Yeah, I'm gunna' say that I'm not incoherent, and that I know exactly what I'm talking about?
foolwicked 3 years ago
As you will.
m3141592 3 years ago