Why is everyone fighting. Everything has its good points and flaws. It is up to the practioner and his instructor to poin them out and close the open door. Grappling is very good for taking down a bigger guy as has been shown, but in defending yourself, if you are in a malee of a lot of people. You don't want to be on the ground tangled up. A friend of your opponent can quickly come over and seriously hurt you. Still the instructor in this video was doing it blind folded-not easy.
@ennot you wont its been too waterd down like all the martial arts have been waterd down ,you want real fights with skill proper bare knucle fighters. no wraps no gloves just bare knucles. last man standing, thats real combat. you cant fight you wll get very hurt ,
@spartandog1000 There are still some real non watereed martial arts arent there? What about the Filipino martial arts? sticks and daggers and swords and stuff like that. Its true that Inosanto removes some of the deadlier stuff but I know that if you go to Victor De Thours academy the guy who teaches does teach you the dealier stuff but thats Silat.
it looked not that great,but if you look clearly you see the instructor hits this guy a few times controlled, but him tripping a little on the curtain is just no big deal, but more clear too an unknowing audience about this chisao forms, its also clear the guy from the audience is not a beginner in chisao
@YipManneke The instructor does not trip on the curtain. If one looks clearly the 'new' boy controls the mass of the Instructor who clearly falls into the curtain after his balance is offset by the new boy. Also at the beginning the Instructor attempts a sudden strike to end this demonstration quickly but new boys Bong Sau superior to the task. No disrespect, merely observation.
Wing Tsun is not a very applicable martial arts against many experienced fighters, a majority of the drills practiced to not prepare you for actual fighting, true sparring and fighting is the only way to applicably learn fighting. I started with Wing Tsun and did it for 3 years, now I do BJJ, Muay Thai and Wester Boxing and I can honestly say that I see no advantage to WC over any of those styles (except the kicks vs boxing). It is a dated style and shows its age while not being able to compete.
@buffmedic01 Really??? Well I've trained in karate, ju jitsu, western boxing, thai boxing, Jeet kune do, capoeira, kempo, wushu & 5 years in kung fu, and I found all of them to not be very applicable against Ip Man himself! Unfortunately he is dead now, but I'm sure that if he was alive, he would tell you that you are talking shit, just as I was previously...ROFL
@MechTech82 Ip Man would get destroyed by any professional fighter. Ip Man is nothing but a fraud who has deluded massive number of Hong Kongers and has no logic and proof behind his trainings and teaching that has been debunked. Bruce Lee realized this after he fought against Wong Jack Man in San Francisco, California, which is why he started learning boxing, wrestling, taekwondo, savate, fencing, and created his own style called JKD.
@EdDy4RheelZ He still used wing chun though as the core of JKD he just added to it the straight blast is JKD if you see JKD today it still uses the straight blast, and wooden dummy but it adds to it. And how would you know if Yip Man was a fraud have you ever met him? You can go up to his students there are still a few around like Hawkins Chung in L.A.
@Mider999 He used Wing Chun just to show few things he has learned, but he went on to modify it while adding many various arts. Ip Man has never fought Japanese general, 10 Karatekas and a pro boxer. Ip Man was one of quietest man in HK who never fought against any experienced fighters. He was only a policeman at best. This doesn't validate anything about his credentials. He was only Bruce Lee's teacher during Lee's teenage years. That's all. Nothing else. He is extremely overrated.
i do believe that cracie fams have never gone to another school to challenge others so to go there to there gym or school would be foolish attempt to beat them at there own game! also only students have ever challenged them never a master couse they have nothing to prove! pluss multi oponents would seriously affect them as its very much a 1 on 1 art (sport) :) all respect thoe they are clearly best at what they do :)
@kungfusecrets hahah goes to show how easy it can be learnt maybe the master should of taken the mask off :P pluss i think the master got a little hot headed so making it worse for himself :)
@kungfusecrets I would say more than this is a test of real Wing Chun skill vs Wing Chun Black Belt Production. Leung Ting has been known to produce more black belts and masters than any WCK person. It took a 6-month newbie to prove that producing black belts is not the way to go. Maybe they just need more work than that.
Haha Hong Kong style WC... Its Leung Ting style wing chun. Cause my GM is Victor Kan (also from Hong Kong) and when i see this i laugh, cause when i see Leung Ting wing chun i shit my pants from laughing
In my opinion wt can be one of the most dangerous fighting styles for selfe defence but if you do it wrong or if u are not built for this style its one of the most useless styles ^^
@EdDy4RheelZ Also, Ip Man's son documented about his father that was challenged by wrestlers and boxers. Go see Ip Man 1 and 2. Although Donnie Yen exaggerated a lot of the fight scenes, the event did take place where Ip Man defeated highly skilled black belt Shotokan Karate masters, wrestlers and boxers. Again, you know nothing about Kung Fu or the deadly art of Wing Chun. I suggest you to go back to your call of duty and Tekken game and practice your video game controller instead.
NO HE DID NOT! These are just movies. All due respect to Ip's son, The stories never existed anywhere and were never told by anyone (including Ip's son) until after the the movies were written. Nothing in the movies is true except Ip lived in Foshan, went to HK, met Bruce Lee. Before you say I know nothing about KF or W C. I suggest you spend 3 years living, training and researching WC in, China like I did.
It don't matter what "real" wing chun or what "good" wing chun. Whatever it is, they're still gonna get their asses handed to them by experienced MMA or kickboxers. Any wrestlers would wrestle any wing chun moron to the ground and pound the fuck out of him. Wing Chun sucks shit. =)
@gambleyourhealth I can be a 20 year old kid who loves anime porn but I work with marcial arts since 2007 and have faced many BJJ black belts so can tell that. Without a tatame, in a hard floor, against a opponent who no fight below rules. BJJ is just a kids sport.
@MatheusRebelo Your hobby is masturbating to cartoon depictions of little girls?
I never said I was a BJJ master.
I said that I do BJJ, I also do Wing Chun and FMA.
However, this is what it has to do with you - YOU are just a kid who pulls his dick to cartoon girls as his "hobby". This detracts from any credibility you might have in ANYTHING because thats the activity of a Pedo.
Until you learn something about those arts, your comments have no weight.
@MatheusRebelo Feels good to be behind your computer huh? Since you live in Brazil, you should visit Gracie Family gyms and show them how real fighting is done. You'll even get paid more than $100k. This was the reward back in 1993, before MMA and BJJ became popular. The reward is higher now. Fedor proved the effectiveness of Sambo equivalent or even better than BJJ for 10 years and he's a multi-millionaire. You can achieve that fame as well. =)
@EdDy4RheelZ i do believe that cracie fams have never gone to another school to challenge others so to go there to there gym or school would be foolish attempt to beat them at there own game! also only students have ever challenged them never a master couse they have nothing to prove! pluss multi oponents would seriously affect them as its very much a 1 on 1 art (sport) :) all respect thoe they are clearly best at what they do :)
@351brock Wrong. Gracie Challenge has requested Emin Boztepe to fight. Emin pussied out while he has guts to fight off William Cheung, who was a direct student of Yip Man and master of Wing Chun. Emin Boztepe has been the image of deadly wing chun fighter that Leung Ting has been proud of. Know your facts before speaking based on your biased, unresearched views that's been fantasized from watching lot of movies.
Sorry to butt in guys. I just ran across this video and your comments. The Gracie 100K challenge was only offered to one person Benny 'Jet' Urdiquez I believe in 1995. Benny excepted but it was cancelled for two reasons. First it was discovered Rorion did not have the money to cover if he had lost the bet at the time. Secondly tge Gracies discovered Urdiquez had been studying with Gokor and Gene LeBell for over 10yrs and Gracies cancelled. It is discussed on youtube by Rorion and .
and on multiple Gracie websites. As far as I know and have ready it has never been issued to anyone else. The reason Urdiquez was offered it was because he made a remark that the first couple UFC's were fixed to help promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu which is a valid argument being Helio paid and promoted UFC 1-4. Not saying either were right. I study both BJJ and Wing Chun and love them equally.
@EdDy4RheelZ ok sure but i mean they never go to another school to challenge other masters just students go to there school and challenge them! in there conditions, i mean no disrespect they are monsters on the ground. i train under Malcom siu and my si fu Gwain siu i know what im talking about! i do believe your being biased ive never heard of any gracie ju jitsu student chalenging a sothern praying mantis master or student! always striking students going to there school to challenge them!
@Mider999 Goggle Ging Mo Academy. My Si Fu Gwain Sue is his son on the Academy Website he has an intorduction talk thingie which may explain to you who they are :) Were situated in Perth Western Australia :)
@351brock No need to act tough behind your computer. Go to any accreditted Gracie BJJ gym and request a challenge. They'll put you with a student of theirs who will gladly accept your challenge, film it, and post it on youtube. Just remember. Gracies are about effectiveness. If it's effective, they'll highly respect you and even use your name for certain move that they've acquired from you, much like how they did to Kimura. Show them how it's done. GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!! =)
@EdDy4RheelZ im not being tough behind my computer! sorry to offend or come across that way, i did say respectfuly and openly challenge any bjj student of my lvl we hold friendly form tournements in our gung fu school, Ging mo Academy Perth Western Australia so there more than welcome to come and join in or have a lesson first lesson is free of charge. check out our youtube channel Ging Mo Academy
@351brock As I said, if you believe that you have what it takes to prove the effectiveness of Wing Chun or its superiority against MMA or BJJ and reopen the Gracie challenge, feel free to do so. Go to an accreditted BJJ gym, and challenge them. If you win, not only will you become rich, you'll always become respected enough for your name to become a martial arts term. Burden of proof is on you, not on BJJ, MMA or arts that's been proven effective in MMA. Prove its effectiveness.
@351brock I live in Los Angeles, California and I go to Muay Thai Gym in Van Nuys. Anyways, only Kung Fu styles that have been proven effective are Sanshou(Sanda, aka Chinese kickboxing) and Shuai Jiao(Chinese folk wrestling). Lot of people take it personal as if I'm insulting Chinese people, MA or culture but I'm targetting and insulting Wing Chun for their brag but yet fail to prove its effectiveness in any full contact competitions or in the streets against experienced fighters.
@Mider999 I have no issues with Filipino Martial Arts, JKD and other arts like Hapkido. For Filipino Arts, I have no knowledge about them except Eskrima and Yaw-Yan. Eskrima is a weapon art from what I checked last time. So that's irrelevant here since we're discussing bare-handed arts. Yaw-Yan is an effective art that's similar to kickboxing. JKD is a guide to MMA philosophy. Hapkido is just copy of Aikido, which comes from Jiujitsu family, and has good, effective TKD kicks added.
@EdDy4RheelZ Your right that FMA such as eskrima is weapons based but it does have empty hand and kicking systems. I dont think Hapkido can copy aikido since akido is not really suppose to be a violent art and Hapkdio is full of kicks, punches and other such nasty ditbits.
@EdDy4RheelZ Filipino Martial Arts which is just another name for Kali/arnis/eskirma has alot of kicking, wrestling, and punching arts in it but the movement are based ont he blade, sword, and stick. I dont see how Hapkido copies aikido since hapkido has kicks and punches and aikido is suppose to be peaceful. TKD is a sports arts.
@Mider999 As I've said here, I don't have much knowledge about Filipino Martial Arts except Eskrima and Yaw Yan, which is why I didn't berate or degrade anything about it and I respect it instead. If you look up Hapkido, they have lot of joint manipulative moves, throws, etc, which comes from Daito-ryu jiujitsu, same class as Aikido. While Aikido is more focused on defensive, Hapkido is focused towards more offensive side and have many kicks added.
@Mider999 At my Muay Thai gym, I have friends who have black belts in both Hapkido and TKD, as they were taught together when they were young. Yes, TKD has a sports arts called WTF. TKD is not a reliable stand-up style for full contact but they provide some devastating kicking techniques if mastered and supplemented well with other styles and it's proven. However, none of what we're talking about is irrelevant to this video. I was berating Wing Chun, not Filipino, JKD, Hapkido, TKD.
@EdDy4RheelZ Hawkins Cheung a student of Yip Man said that you can learn wing chun easily and teach it easily but can you do it? Chi sou is not something you do in the street. Its just an exercise to teach sensitivy you have to be relaxed when you do it. Wing Chun uses elbows punches and other stuff like that but Hawkings Cheung admits that we have to free ourselves or people have to do that from wing chun and I guess add what works even Marc Macyoung recommends him.
@EdDy4RheelZ Edy, I think you have been watching too much UFC and need to get your head out of the rear. If you say Wing Chun is not any good against a wrestler, I have to tell you that you know nothing about martial arts because Bruce Lee defeated boxers and wrestlers at his prime before he ever formulated the concept theory of Jeet Kune Do. He defeated a national champion of boxing in his prime. To say stupid remarks is not only stupid but shows your lack of martial arts.
@TheHailstorm77 I think you need to take your head out of your ass. HAHAHA, crediting all of Bruce Lee's success to Wing Chun, when he was moving away from it as he was adopting many various martial arts. Bruce Lee = mixed martial artist. Oh, and Bruce Lee is extremely overrated and some of his stories are bullshit and overexaggerated. Only people like you would be gullible to believe it without researching and finding evidences. Masahiko Kimura or Helio Gracie would destroy him.
@TheHailstorm77 I think you need to take your head out of your ass. HAHAHA, crediting all of Bruce Lee's success to Wing Chun, when he was moving away from it as he was adopting many various martial arts. Bruce Lee = mixed martial artist. Oh, and Bruce Lee is extremely overrated and some of his stories are bullshit and overexaggerated. Only people like you would be gullible to believe it without researching and finding evidences. Masahiko Kimura or Helio Gracie would destroy him.
@TheHailstorm77 Leung Ting's best student and protege of his lineage Emin Boztepe, backed out of Gracie Challenge. Truly a pussy. He has guts to fight off William Cheung and kick his ass but yet, fear the challenge from the Gracies. What a true quality of wing chun. =). Many of WC history is fabricated and bullshitted. And it's been proven. WC has no ground game and they never learned how to defend themselves against any type of wrestler or grappler. =)
@TheHailstorm77 Answer is simple. WC takes it for granted that they'll knock their opponent down before the opponent attempts to wrestle. But when that fails, WC practitioners get grounded and pounded to death, then the whole WC community puts the blame on the fighter, stating that "it's the fighter, not the art" when they have never learned and studied how to defend against wrestlers/grapplers. Their fantasy world intrigues me and they have very narrow-mindset of fighting. =)
@EdDy4RheelZ Also, Ip Man's son documented about his father that was challenged by wrestlers and boxers. Go see Ip Man 1 and 2. Although Donnie Yen exaggerated a lot of the fight scenes, the event did take place where Ip Man defeated highly skilled black belt Shotokan Karate masters, wrestlers and boxers. Again, you know nothing about Kung Fu or the deadly art of Wing Chun. I suggest you to go back to your call of duty and Tekken game and practice your video game controller instead.
The problem is chi sau in not a "fight" not a context to train certain skill sets. This demo turned from a chi sau match to something kind of resembling the beginnings of a fight. Leung Ting's guy obviously couldn't handle the transition as it was probably outside of what he typically does. Its a good thing, though embarrassing, that Leung Ting's people and the rest of the world saw this. If they're smart, they will alter their training to learn how to deal with the resistance and unpredictabil
leung tings man still looked better, the other was clumsy punk. if it had been real fight he would have been beaten easy. Tings guy was being good sport.
You mean like when he slapped the kid. Ting's guy had some 35+ years training. The kid only 6 months. I know this because I was one of the kid's WC teachers. You want to rationalize it, fine. But right there on video, Ting's top Sifu in China got his ass handed to him in public by a rank WC newbie.
The key point is never follow WT rule to fight WT guy, then you might be able to win :). you stuck into other people's trap. of course. you become a follower, rather than creater.
Leung Ting is a great artist, to much croowed pressaure made him nervus, even at the begining he wasn't expacting from the audience member to try going all the way.
His mistake was that it was offencive, so he have forgaten the first rule of any kind of art
(not taking it personaly) but he did and that made he out of control.
He fall all by himself just showes how much nervus he was .
LT is known only as a good business man in Mainland China. Because he has the most schools paying him money. His Kung Fu in the Mainland is looked down on and ANY person they would have selected would have tried to pound this guy.
You have to adapt and modify your wing chun when needed. Wing chun does not bob and weave like boxing, but if you have to pok da and bob your head to avoid a strike, then do it. I Believe wing chun is a great street self defense art that I used several times on the street and was highly successful. But I believe in learning boxing and wrestling too. Leung ting and "Ving Tsun" is the worst, anyone who knows Ving Tsun has poor form and fight sloppy and with too much force and stren
Ving Tsun is a dialect. Ving Tsun is from a southern, low class accent. Dishwashers, repairmen. Anyone lower middle class or below. It's not a different style, just a low class way to pronounce Wing Chun. Think Southern USA hick "Ya'all". In proper Cantonese it is Wing Chun. Pronounce it VT in SE China and you are just stupid or low class. In the rest of China they won't even understand you. 1.3 billion Chinese call it "Youg Chun".
You know your very right if you really need to do it you need to have that reaction already in yourself in order to use it when needed. I been training wing chun under the leung ting system and i believe is one of the best wing chun systems out there. Many people have a lot of jealousy towards leung ting, but sometimes we have to recognize that this man has dedicated a large portion of his life teaching and modifying wing chun techniques.
As a person that actually knows the true history of WC I can tell you that t is not for fighting the way you describe it. It is designed to take out, maim or kill your opponent within the first second of the conflict. That's how you train and fight with WC Mainland China style.
I met Leung Ting in one of the seminars in Chicago and he explain with much detail why wing chun is not a fighting style, but rather a concept of fighting. My Sifu also said that many people who train wing chun think is necessary to follow all the rules in the system of wing chun when facing a real fight. However he concluded that the concept is there and is up to you to adapt the movements to your body and break the rules once ur confident of your wing chun. Other than that Leung Ting is great
Leung Ting should have stepped in afterwards and said do Chi Sao with me, if he was that confident. Leing Kwok Of Shit Wah looked TERRIBLE , and stumpling over off balance made it look all the worse. Wonder who the guy that came up with was trained by in Wing Chun??? Also translation AFTER Ting's guy gets embarrassed - what does Ting say???
Me, Me!!!!! I'm the guy that trained him!!!! At least up to that point. That was before the heart attack, arthritis and gall bladder going bad. Look at my channel. You will see us training together in some of the earlier videos.
@kungfusecrets you mean challenger guy that comes up on stage I assume. Leung Ting's Wing Tsun is great, the best ONLY to people in his organisation. Many say it is not all that great when they exchange with others. Leung Ting made his rep off of others, he was never Yip Man's secret closed door last student - all BS but he is wealthy people stay quiet for fear of legal action. Well done for training guy in video only 6 months, Ting Instructor several years at least to reach 5th level!
All this BS in a REAL fight you can rarely if ever apply it, go show me REAL fights with people applying WT or even all out sparring full contact???? Why do you think few if any videos like that? Because it is BS! Any good MMA guy will smash a WT Bum they train much harder & fight a lot; the WT guy practices nice drills with a partner, wooden dummy, forms, etc - rarely if ever fights or spars all out & does not train anywhere near as hard as MMA guys.
Guy at end should have followed up punching or slapping him when WTT (WT Turd) fell over. Well known and reported also guy with blindfold had severe flatulence problem and kept bottom burping violently on stage, so embarrising he looked a fool in chi sao, worse to keep bottom burping in front of live audience. Go do MMA, Krav Maga etc if you want real practical self defence, go study WT BS if you like fancy impractical BS & nice drills not for real fighting.
WT in Germany is almost like a cult these Turds actually think WT is the ultimate martial art or very practical self defence, it is neither! Ting & Kernspecht have marketed this Turd-itional crap very well indeed. Why NO videos of WT jokers fighting for real or even sparring all out actually applying WT on Youtube??? That would be because it is pure BS! Standing around practicing nice partner drills - chi sao, lat sao, etc and forms, wooden dummy, etc WILL NEVER = make you a great fighter!
I have a secret for Leung Ting, William Chueng and all the other masters. Chi sao is helpful in learning to anticipate ones moves with the sense of touch. BUT what theynever tell you (purposely or in ignorance) is that chi sao is for limited speeds.Before you turn against me, go try what I said in your school. When hands are joined in chi sao, lunge your fist thinking:(Continues downwards)
"He's not going to get thechance to sensemy move.It will just be 'teleported' to his chest. It will disregard his arm on my skin, as if there is no space between point A and point B."
Just when you hit, pull it back fast, don’t leave it out at all! He’ll be mad.
If you are at least one year student in the art&do this,you will realize the scam within chi sao when it is misused. -That's what went wrong in the videio.Chi sao is not for fighting, it’s atraining tool for **a particular purpose**.
Thats sad. The problem is, 1)The Wing chun guy with the blindfold was not taught proper control, he obviously let his emotions get the best of him, and that's why he ended up falling on his face like an idiot. 2) They had some young punk do sticky hands with one of the guys student, bad mistake.
Both guys tried to one up the other, rather than show the beauty of Wing Chun.
That is a good slap. The audience bowed to the crowd, not his competitor. How rude. Mainland Chinese have no manners, just like the uncivilized culture they live in.
I spent over 4 years of my life living in Mainland China. I am curious as to how long you lived there. From your statement it sounds like you have never set foot in Mainland China.
@Drughi22Bianconeri His 5th level instructor is getting embarrassed by an audience member who is obviously trained by some other instructor. However, looks like both of them are dropping form and resorting to brawling.
Sites back up, but needs some work. some body hacked it and brought it down. I am arthritic and had a heart attack. I am back in the USA and on the mend, so we will soon see a revived site. Thanks
I hope the people in Europe love spending huge amounts of cash to learn this crap wing chun. Research more before jumping in , all that shines is not gold!!
@almo8989 The problem is: martial artists actually *do* hit themselves during sparring. Less chi-sao, more sparring, if you want to give this beautiful art the credit it deserves.
@kungfusecrets I agree on LeungTing being a business man and his organisation teaching a low level wingtsun in 85% of its school - however, don't you think that some of his ex-students can reach a high level too? ( e.g : check out "fightermanizdebest" on youtube, some of his videos displays real internal kungfu )
Bad example. Look, I do not personally know him. He could beat me. Most 4 year old girls could beat me. I am arthritic and had a heart attack. He's a good fighter, but his KF is VERY sloppy. In China he couldn't get a student. He seems sincere, seems to be good at fighting. But I see no internal Kung Fu at all in his videos. Zero(0). Leung Ting, as an individual practitioner, is about 20 times better than this guy. That's not even a slight exaggeration.
@kungfusecrets aouch... i must disagree with you on that one :) i have around 10 years training in WT and always enjoyed meeting sifus of others WC / WT associations; I might have crossed hands 11 of them and only two of them convinced me of their skills..and he is one of those two. Believe me it is not what you might see, his KF is definitely good . Thanks for answering anyway
Perhaps you need to fight one of the masters in WC/WT. You seem to be an authority in western style martial arts. It's easy to say MMA can beat whatever. In truth, would you use your MMA against multiple opponents? Probably not. But I can also type enough to say I can win against any style. Is it true? Maybe.. but since you typed also MMA can beat WC/WT, then prove it.
Unless you're of those Internet junkies who do google wiki et al.
@wingfighter77 also WT ist eine reine Selbstverteidigung, Freefight (mma) ist reiner Kampfsport der dazu ausgelegt ist sich mit anderen zu messen.
WT war bis vor 10 Jahren nicht bekannt und daher sehr gefährlich. Inzwischen wird in jeder guten Kampfsportschule auch auf WT eingegangen. MMA ist rein auf Vollkontakt ausgelegt, WT ist auf taktilen Reflexe aufgebaut und Gleichzeitigkeit (Abwehr und Angriff) . aber man merkt das du von KS nicht viel ahnung hast...sorry
Was soll denn der Mist von WT ist Selbstverdigung, MMA ist .... . Entweder es funktioniert im Kampf oder es funktioniert nicht, und WT funktioniert im echten Kampf NICHT. Da gibt es genügend Videos auf Youtube, die das belegen. Wenn ich unrecht habe, kannst du mir gerne ein Link senden, wo das Gegenteil der Fall ist (bitte nur echte Kämpfe). Die einzige gute Technik an WT ist der Kettenfauststoß. Sehr effektiv im ersten Moment. Rest ist fürs Theater.
@blueneptun1 Du beziehst dich auf "videos" ... das ist schon ziemlich oberflächlich wie ich finde...
Ich selbst habe viele vorurteile gehabt bevor ich mit dem Wing Chun angefangen hab(nicht wing tsun, denn offenbar sind das zwei total verschiedene paar schuhe.). Ich persöhnlich finde zb Kickboxen und Boxen weniger effektiv. Habe beides ausprobiert und es ist eben ein Sport und nicht für die Straße gedacht. Was bei WC jedoch der Fall ist.
Also Wing Chun und WingTjun oder Tsun sind nur andere Schreibweisen. Zitat WIKI:
Aus markenrechtlichen Gründen und um sich von anderen Schulen und Verbänden abzugrenze, so z. B. Wing Tsun (W.T.), Wyng Tjun, Ving Tsun (V.T.), Wing Tzun, Wing Chung, Wing Shun, Wing Tsung, Wing Tsjun, Wing Tjuen, Ving Chun (VC)Ich mache selber seit Jahren Kampfsport und lerne nun seit gut einem Jahr WT Freistil dort sind viel Elemente wie Bodenkampf, Boxkampf usw. enthalten Der Kettenfauststoss hat zwar nicht
Ich mache selber seit Jahren Kampfsport und lerne nun seit gut einem Jahr WT Freistil dort sind viel Elemente wie Bodenkampf, Boxkampf usw. enthalten Der Kettenfauststoss hat zwar nicht die Wucht wie Ein Schlag von einem Boxer, aber die schnellen Schläge auf den kopf-halsbereich zwingen (meistens) den Gegenr in eine Defensive Haltung, dann kann der Erfahrene WT´ler seine Techniken anwenden um ihn Kampfunfähig zu machen.Ja das JKD ist eine sehr gefährliche KS Art und würde mir auch zusagen.
nicht umsonst hat Bruce Lee Jet Kundo entwickelt. Weil er erkannt hat, das dem Wing Chung einiges fehlt. Er hat Wing Chung mit Elementen aus dem Boxen, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Judo, Ringen.. und sogar aus dem Fechten (Beinarbeit) ergänzt. Warum? Weil Wing Chung alleine nicht für den echten Allroundkämpfer ausreicht- was Bruce Lee dank seiner Vielfältigkeit gewesen ist. Ich möchte dir nicht nahe treten, aber wenn man wirklich das beste für sich will, muss mann die Scheuklappen ablegen.
@blueneptun1 wie oben schon gesagt gebe ich dir da schon recht, aber trotz allem ist ein erfahrener WT´ler der fleissig geübt hat einn sehr gefährlicher unangenehmer gegner dem nicht leicht beizukommen ist. Das JKD ist sehr viel vielfältiger aber braucht auch viel mehr Aufwand und für einen reinen Anfänger eher ungeeignet. Sehe es eher als Ergänzung zu vorhanden Techniken.Jedoch reichen mir meine Kenntnisse.
@Sirsuckme76 Ich konnte es irgendwie garnicht fassen das leung Ting versagt hat aber ich glaube das was mit dem alter zutun oder und das sah mir bei den Jungen nicht aus wie wing tsun sonder wie grapling
Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kune Do after using Wing Chun in real fights. He called the classical styles "swimming on dry land" and eventually stopped teaching Wing Chun to his students.
too much keyboard wingtsun goin on in the comment section.
thecalmdude 2 days ago
this proves what leung teaches nothing
safet215 5 days ago
Bottom line.... Wing Chun sucks!!!!!
talon115 1 week ago
@talon115 Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
There will always be a better opponent...
corvette174 1 week ago
its not a bad day the other maks wing tsun too...
JasonL89 1 week ago
Why is everyone fighting. Everything has its good points and flaws. It is up to the practioner and his instructor to poin them out and close the open door. Grappling is very good for taking down a bigger guy as has been shown, but in defending yourself, if you are in a malee of a lot of people. You don't want to be on the ground tangled up. A friend of your opponent can quickly come over and seriously hurt you. Still the instructor in this video was doing it blind folded-not easy.
MuSiGee 1 week ago
ach du scheisse, diese pfeifen
MrFriedchen 2 weeks ago
I'm yet to see Wing Tsun used effectively against a skilled full-contact fighter. Would appriciate if anybody had a link.
Probably if you're a woman, or a very small man, Wing Tsun is your only option. Better than nothing, anyway
ennot 2 weeks ago
@ennot you wont its been too waterd down like all the martial arts have been waterd down ,you want real fights with skill proper bare knucle fighters. no wraps no gloves just bare knucles. last man standing, thats real combat. you cant fight you wll get very hurt ,
spartandog1000 1 week ago
@spartandog1000 There are still some real non watereed martial arts arent there? What about the Filipino martial arts? sticks and daggers and swords and stuff like that. Its true that Inosanto removes some of the deadlier stuff but I know that if you go to Victor De Thours academy the guy who teaches does teach you the dealier stuff but thats Silat.
Mider999 1 week ago
lol, if opponent fights back doesnt work
treicy80 2 weeks ago
@treicy80 hahaahahahahahahahahahahahah
Erev0s666 2 weeks ago
Leung Ting = Money Chun.
Duncun Leung = Crap applied Chun.
Want Real Wing chun = WSL, HKM, MY.
pkjdm 2 weeks ago
it looked not that great,but if you look clearly you see the instructor hits this guy a few times controlled, but him tripping a little on the curtain is just no big deal, but more clear too an unknowing audience about this chisao forms, its also clear the guy from the audience is not a beginner in chisao
YipManneke 2 weeks ago
@YipManneke The instructor does not trip on the curtain. If one looks clearly the 'new' boy controls the mass of the Instructor who clearly falls into the curtain after his balance is offset by the new boy. Also at the beginning the Instructor attempts a sudden strike to end this demonstration quickly but new boys Bong Sau superior to the task. No disrespect, merely observation.
lazefistz 2 weeks ago
Wing Tsun is not a very applicable martial arts against many experienced fighters, a majority of the drills practiced to not prepare you for actual fighting, true sparring and fighting is the only way to applicably learn fighting. I started with Wing Tsun and did it for 3 years, now I do BJJ, Muay Thai and Wester Boxing and I can honestly say that I see no advantage to WC over any of those styles (except the kicks vs boxing). It is a dated style and shows its age while not being able to compete.
buffmedic01 2 weeks ago
@buffmedic01 Really??? Well I've trained in karate, ju jitsu, western boxing, thai boxing, Jeet kune do, capoeira, kempo, wushu & 5 years in kung fu, and I found all of them to not be very applicable against Ip Man himself! Unfortunately he is dead now, but I'm sure that if he was alive, he would tell you that you are talking shit, just as I was previously...ROFL
MechTech82 2 weeks ago
@MechTech82 Ip Man would get destroyed by any professional fighter. Ip Man is nothing but a fraud who has deluded massive number of Hong Kongers and has no logic and proof behind his trainings and teaching that has been debunked. Bruce Lee realized this after he fought against Wong Jack Man in San Francisco, California, which is why he started learning boxing, wrestling, taekwondo, savate, fencing, and created his own style called JKD.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ you don't say......
MechTech82 2 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ He still used wing chun though as the core of JKD he just added to it the straight blast is JKD if you see JKD today it still uses the straight blast, and wooden dummy but it adds to it. And how would you know if Yip Man was a fraud have you ever met him? You can go up to his students there are still a few around like Hawkins Chung in L.A.
Mider999 1 week ago
@Mider999 He used Wing Chun just to show few things he has learned, but he went on to modify it while adding many various arts. Ip Man has never fought Japanese general, 10 Karatekas and a pro boxer. Ip Man was one of quietest man in HK who never fought against any experienced fighters. He was only a policeman at best. This doesn't validate anything about his credentials. He was only Bruce Lee's teacher during Lee's teenage years. That's all. Nothing else. He is extremely overrated.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
LOL
xSilkify 3 weeks ago
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i do believe that cracie fams have never gone to another school to challenge others so to go there to there gym or school would be foolish attempt to beat them at there own game! also only students have ever challenged them never a master couse they have nothing to prove! pluss multi oponents would seriously affect them as its very much a 1 on 1 art (sport) :) all respect thoe they are clearly best at what they do :)
351brock 3 weeks ago
hehe i bet he wasnt expecting another high lvl wing chun exponent in the crowed :P looked pissed comming back from falling !
351brock 3 weeks ago
@351brock
Not a high level opponent. The kid was a 6 month newbie at the time this was shot.
A student at Instinct Wing Chun, Guangzhou city, Mainland China. You could say this was Guangzhou style WC VS Hong Kong Style WC.
kungfusecrets 2 weeks ago 3
@kungfusecrets hahah goes to show how easy it can be learnt maybe the master should of taken the mask off :P pluss i think the master got a little hot headed so making it worse for himself :)
351brock 2 weeks ago
@kungfusecrets I would say more than this is a test of real Wing Chun skill vs Wing Chun Black Belt Production. Leung Ting has been known to produce more black belts and masters than any WCK person. It took a 6-month newbie to prove that producing black belts is not the way to go. Maybe they just need more work than that.
tdbevolution 2 weeks ago
@kungfusecrets
Haha Hong Kong style WC... Its Leung Ting style wing chun. Cause my GM is Victor Kan (also from Hong Kong) and when i see this i laugh, cause when i see Leung Ting wing chun i shit my pants from laughing
Funky1156 4 days ago
In my opinion wt can be one of the most dangerous fighting styles for selfe defence but if you do it wrong or if u are not built for this style its one of the most useless styles ^^
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@EdDy4RheelZ Also, Ip Man's son documented about his father that was challenged by wrestlers and boxers. Go see Ip Man 1 and 2. Although Donnie Yen exaggerated a lot of the fight scenes, the event did take place where Ip Man defeated highly skilled black belt Shotokan Karate masters, wrestlers and boxers. Again, you know nothing about Kung Fu or the deadly art of Wing Chun. I suggest you to go back to your call of duty and Tekken game and practice your video game controller instead.
TheHailstorm77 3 weeks ago
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@TheHailstorm77
NO HE DID NOT! These are just movies. All due respect to Ip's son, The stories never existed anywhere and were never told by anyone (including Ip's son) until after the the movies were written. Nothing in the movies is true except Ip lived in Foshan, went to HK, met Bruce Lee. Before you say I know nothing about KF or W C. I suggest you spend 3 years living, training and researching WC in, China like I did.
kungfusecrets 2 weeks ago
this guy is not very gifted, he also failed in discovery channels fight quest , but this leung ting is the real deal
YipManneke 3 weeks ago
Hmmmmmm
JezPeRR 3 weeks ago
It don't matter what "real" wing chun or what "good" wing chun. Whatever it is, they're still gonna get their asses handed to them by experienced MMA or kickboxers. Any wrestlers would wrestle any wing chun moron to the ground and pound the fuck out of him. Wing Chun sucks shit. =)
EdDy4RheelZ 4 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Not true at all.
Ive studied both WC and BJJ (for quite a number of years under notable instructors)
Both have their upsides and their downsides.
You shouldn't make a comment like that when you have no experience of it personally.
gambleyourhealth 4 weeks ago 5
@gambleyourhealth BJJ have no aplication for streets. I'm Brazillian and pratice Wing Chun.
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo I practice both.
BJJ applications on the streets are huge. Ive choked out more people that you have fought.
gambleyourhealth 3 weeks ago
@gambleyourhealth BJJ is trash. bye
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo What would a 20 year old kid who loves anime porn know about BJJ?
You are in Brazil, go into any BJJ studio and they can show you. Until then, you have no basis for comparison.
gambleyourhealth 3 weeks ago
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@gambleyourhealth I can be a 20 year old kid who loves anime porn but I work with marcial arts since 2007 and have faced many BJJ black belts so can tell that. Without a tatame, in a hard floor, against a opponent who no fight below rules. BJJ is just a kids sport.
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@gambleyourhealth but if you like to play on tatame, have a good time I'll not judge
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo I'll judge.
Go back to pulling your dick over cartoon depictions of underage girls in underwear.
Put down the anime porn and do some martial arts and you MIGHT have credibility in this conversation (but I doubt it)
gambleyourhealth 3 weeks ago
@gambleyourhealth blablabla too much. what my hobby has to do with martial arts? Sorry "BJJ master" you lose your line of thought.
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo Your hobby is masturbating to cartoon depictions of little girls?
I never said I was a BJJ master.
I said that I do BJJ, I also do Wing Chun and FMA.
However, this is what it has to do with you - YOU are just a kid who pulls his dick to cartoon girls as his "hobby". This detracts from any credibility you might have in ANYTHING because thats the activity of a Pedo.
Until you learn something about those arts, your comments have no weight.
gambleyourhealth 3 weeks ago
@gambleyourhealth you are right, words have no weight. I my fists have. I'll not spend my time with week people. Bye bye got to train.
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo no, words do have weight.
Its only YOUR words that dont have weight.
Is "going to train" Brazilian for "going to masturbate" to Anime Porn?
Because thats all you are going to do.
You dont "train" anywhere, you just mouth off on youtube clips.
The only fight you have ever had was with your sister. She gave you a wedgie and you cried to your mommy.
gambleyourhealth 3 weeks ago
@MatheusRebelo Feels good to be behind your computer huh? Since you live in Brazil, you should visit Gracie Family gyms and show them how real fighting is done. You'll even get paid more than $100k. This was the reward back in 1993, before MMA and BJJ became popular. The reward is higher now. Fedor proved the effectiveness of Sambo equivalent or even better than BJJ for 10 years and he's a multi-millionaire. You can achieve that fame as well. =)
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ blah blah.... less talking more fighting
MatheusRebelo 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ i do believe that cracie fams have never gone to another school to challenge others so to go there to there gym or school would be foolish attempt to beat them at there own game! also only students have ever challenged them never a master couse they have nothing to prove! pluss multi oponents would seriously affect them as its very much a 1 on 1 art (sport) :) all respect thoe they are clearly best at what they do :)
351brock 3 weeks ago
@351brock Wrong. Gracie Challenge has requested Emin Boztepe to fight. Emin pussied out while he has guts to fight off William Cheung, who was a direct student of Yip Man and master of Wing Chun. Emin Boztepe has been the image of deadly wing chun fighter that Leung Ting has been proud of. Know your facts before speaking based on your biased, unresearched views that's been fantasized from watching lot of movies.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ
Sorry to butt in guys. I just ran across this video and your comments. The Gracie 100K challenge was only offered to one person Benny 'Jet' Urdiquez I believe in 1995. Benny excepted but it was cancelled for two reasons. First it was discovered Rorion did not have the money to cover if he had lost the bet at the time. Secondly tge Gracies discovered Urdiquez had been studying with Gokor and Gene LeBell for over 10yrs and Gracies cancelled. It is discussed on youtube by Rorion and .
Tarc5150 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ
and on multiple Gracie websites. As far as I know and have ready it has never been issued to anyone else. The reason Urdiquez was offered it was because he made a remark that the first couple UFC's were fixed to help promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu which is a valid argument being Helio paid and promoted UFC 1-4. Not saying either were right. I study both BJJ and Wing Chun and love them equally.
Tarc5150 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ ok sure but i mean they never go to another school to challenge other masters just students go to there school and challenge them! in there conditions, i mean no disrespect they are monsters on the ground. i train under Malcom siu and my si fu Gwain siu i know what im talking about! i do believe your being biased ive never heard of any gracie ju jitsu student chalenging a sothern praying mantis master or student! always striking students going to there school to challenge them!
351brock 3 weeks ago
@351brock Do you mind me asking who Malcom Siu is? And what he teachs and were he is located?
Mider999 1 week ago
@Mider999 Goggle Ging Mo Academy. My Si Fu Gwain Sue is his son on the Academy Website he has an intorduction talk thingie which may explain to you who they are :) Were situated in Perth Western Australia :)
351brock 1 week ago
@EdDy4RheelZ ill openly and respectfully challenge any bjj student at my lvl
351brock 3 weeks ago
@351brock No need to act tough behind your computer. Go to any accreditted Gracie BJJ gym and request a challenge. They'll put you with a student of theirs who will gladly accept your challenge, film it, and post it on youtube. Just remember. Gracies are about effectiveness. If it's effective, they'll highly respect you and even use your name for certain move that they've acquired from you, much like how they did to Kimura. Show them how it's done. GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!! =)
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ im not being tough behind my computer! sorry to offend or come across that way, i did say respectfuly and openly challenge any bjj student of my lvl we hold friendly form tournements in our gung fu school, Ging mo Academy Perth Western Australia so there more than welcome to come and join in or have a lesson first lesson is free of charge. check out our youtube channel Ging Mo Academy
351brock 2 weeks ago
@351brock As I said, if you believe that you have what it takes to prove the effectiveness of Wing Chun or its superiority against MMA or BJJ and reopen the Gracie challenge, feel free to do so. Go to an accreditted BJJ gym, and challenge them. If you win, not only will you become rich, you'll always become respected enough for your name to become a martial arts term. Burden of proof is on you, not on BJJ, MMA or arts that's been proven effective in MMA. Prove its effectiveness.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
@351brock I live in Los Angeles, California and I go to Muay Thai Gym in Van Nuys. Anyways, only Kung Fu styles that have been proven effective are Sanshou(Sanda, aka Chinese kickboxing) and Shuai Jiao(Chinese folk wrestling). Lot of people take it personal as if I'm insulting Chinese people, MA or culture but I'm targetting and insulting Wing Chun for their brag but yet fail to prove its effectiveness in any full contact competitions or in the streets against experienced fighters.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ What do you think of Filipino Martial arts, Jeet Kune Do, and other arts like Hapkido and the likes?
Mider999 1 week ago
@Mider999 I have no issues with Filipino Martial Arts, JKD and other arts like Hapkido. For Filipino Arts, I have no knowledge about them except Eskrima and Yaw-Yan. Eskrima is a weapon art from what I checked last time. So that's irrelevant here since we're discussing bare-handed arts. Yaw-Yan is an effective art that's similar to kickboxing. JKD is a guide to MMA philosophy. Hapkido is just copy of Aikido, which comes from Jiujitsu family, and has good, effective TKD kicks added.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Your right that FMA such as eskrima is weapons based but it does have empty hand and kicking systems. I dont think Hapkido can copy aikido since akido is not really suppose to be a violent art and Hapkdio is full of kicks, punches and other such nasty ditbits.
Mider999 1 week ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Filipino Martial Arts which is just another name for Kali/arnis/eskirma has alot of kicking, wrestling, and punching arts in it but the movement are based ont he blade, sword, and stick. I dont see how Hapkido copies aikido since hapkido has kicks and punches and aikido is suppose to be peaceful. TKD is a sports arts.
Mider999 1 week ago
@Mider999 As I've said here, I don't have much knowledge about Filipino Martial Arts except Eskrima and Yaw Yan, which is why I didn't berate or degrade anything about it and I respect it instead. If you look up Hapkido, they have lot of joint manipulative moves, throws, etc, which comes from Daito-ryu jiujitsu, same class as Aikido. While Aikido is more focused on defensive, Hapkido is focused towards more offensive side and have many kicks added.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
@Mider999 At my Muay Thai gym, I have friends who have black belts in both Hapkido and TKD, as they were taught together when they were young. Yes, TKD has a sports arts called WTF. TKD is not a reliable stand-up style for full contact but they provide some devastating kicking techniques if mastered and supplemented well with other styles and it's proven. However, none of what we're talking about is irrelevant to this video. I was berating Wing Chun, not Filipino, JKD, Hapkido, TKD.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Hawkins Cheung a student of Yip Man said that you can learn wing chun easily and teach it easily but can you do it? Chi sou is not something you do in the street. Its just an exercise to teach sensitivy you have to be relaxed when you do it. Wing Chun uses elbows punches and other stuff like that but Hawkings Cheung admits that we have to free ourselves or people have to do that from wing chun and I guess add what works even Marc Macyoung recommends him.
Mider999 1 week ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Edy, I think you have been watching too much UFC and need to get your head out of the rear. If you say Wing Chun is not any good against a wrestler, I have to tell you that you know nothing about martial arts because Bruce Lee defeated boxers and wrestlers at his prime before he ever formulated the concept theory of Jeet Kune Do. He defeated a national champion of boxing in his prime. To say stupid remarks is not only stupid but shows your lack of martial arts.
TheHailstorm77 3 weeks ago
@TheHailstorm77 I think you need to take your head out of your ass. HAHAHA, crediting all of Bruce Lee's success to Wing Chun, when he was moving away from it as he was adopting many various martial arts. Bruce Lee = mixed martial artist. Oh, and Bruce Lee is extremely overrated and some of his stories are bullshit and overexaggerated. Only people like you would be gullible to believe it without researching and finding evidences. Masahiko Kimura or Helio Gracie would destroy him.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@TheHailstorm77 I think you need to take your head out of your ass. HAHAHA, crediting all of Bruce Lee's success to Wing Chun, when he was moving away from it as he was adopting many various martial arts. Bruce Lee = mixed martial artist. Oh, and Bruce Lee is extremely overrated and some of his stories are bullshit and overexaggerated. Only people like you would be gullible to believe it without researching and finding evidences. Masahiko Kimura or Helio Gracie would destroy him.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@TheHailstorm77 Leung Ting's best student and protege of his lineage Emin Boztepe, backed out of Gracie Challenge. Truly a pussy. He has guts to fight off William Cheung and kick his ass but yet, fear the challenge from the Gracies. What a true quality of wing chun. =). Many of WC history is fabricated and bullshitted. And it's been proven. WC has no ground game and they never learned how to defend themselves against any type of wrestler or grappler. =)
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@TheHailstorm77 Answer is simple. WC takes it for granted that they'll knock their opponent down before the opponent attempts to wrestle. But when that fails, WC practitioners get grounded and pounded to death, then the whole WC community puts the blame on the fighter, stating that "it's the fighter, not the art" when they have never learned and studied how to defend against wrestlers/grapplers. Their fantasy world intrigues me and they have very narrow-mindset of fighting. =)
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Also, Ip Man's son documented about his father that was challenged by wrestlers and boxers. Go see Ip Man 1 and 2. Although Donnie Yen exaggerated a lot of the fight scenes, the event did take place where Ip Man defeated highly skilled black belt Shotokan Karate masters, wrestlers and boxers. Again, you know nothing about Kung Fu or the deadly art of Wing Chun. I suggest you to go back to your call of duty and Tekken game and practice your video game controller instead.
TheHailstorm77 3 weeks ago
The faceplant at the end was a nice touch, I thought xD
Shindai 1 month ago
The problem is chi sau in not a "fight" not a context to train certain skill sets. This demo turned from a chi sau match to something kind of resembling the beginnings of a fight. Leung Ting's guy obviously couldn't handle the transition as it was probably outside of what he typically does. Its a good thing, though embarrassing, that Leung Ting's people and the rest of the world saw this. If they're smart, they will alter their training to learn how to deal with the resistance and unpredictabil
Standupgrappler 1 month ago
Leung Ting is the biggest homo of all times. His "Wing Tsun" is the gayest and weakest i've seen. His Wing Chun is the worst ive seen.
funasdog 1 month ago
leung tings man still looked better, the other was clumsy punk. if it had been real fight he would have been beaten easy. Tings guy was being good sport.
rick00770 1 month ago
@rick00770
You mean like when he slapped the kid. Ting's guy had some 35+ years training. The kid only 6 months. I know this because I was one of the kid's WC teachers. You want to rationalize it, fine. But right there on video, Ting's top Sifu in China got his ass handed to him in public by a rank WC newbie.
kungfusecrets 1 month ago
yeah. i guess it's embarasing. i feel like leung ting's is the worst wingchun
cursegrindattack 2 months ago
That is what you called "use your opponent's force against him"?...
GetDamage 2 months ago
This is what happens you train chain punching over chi sau skills.
Warkiam 2 months ago
Everyday of Leung Ting Wing Tsun is a bad day...
MCBosmans 2 months ago
Leung Ting is not friendly
912480965ful 2 months ago
I would like to see the video of the entire demonstration. Is a video of the entire show posted up anywhere?
TangoLima1 2 months ago
outch :/
DERGOLIAT 3 months ago
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kungfusecrets 3 months ago
Leung Ting 丢脸了。 人渣
jaiharman1 3 months ago
鳩up多過呼吸
Josh1989G 3 months ago
That was so hilarious. Some demonstration, he just started punching him..
Gripsock 3 months ago
The key point is never follow WT rule to fight WT guy, then you might be able to win :). you stuck into other people's trap. of course. you become a follower, rather than creater.
asianboycn 3 months ago
hahahahahahah
gipsytiger666 3 months ago
Leung Ting is a great artist, to much croowed pressaure made him nervus, even at the begining he wasn't expacting from the audience member to try going all the way.
His mistake was that it was offencive, so he have forgaten the first rule of any kind of art
(not taking it personaly) but he did and that made he out of control.
He fall all by himself just showes how much nervus he was .
Sorry for the english I tried
youbutwhy 3 months ago
@youbutwhy
LT is known only as a good business man in Mainland China. Because he has the most schools paying him money. His Kung Fu in the Mainland is looked down on and ANY person they would have selected would have tried to pound this guy.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
@djah7verstile
You have to adapt and modify your wing chun when needed. Wing chun does not bob and weave like boxing, but if you have to pok da and bob your head to avoid a strike, then do it. I Believe wing chun is a great street self defense art that I used several times on the street and was highly successful. But I believe in learning boxing and wrestling too. Leung ting and "Ving Tsun" is the worst, anyone who knows Ving Tsun has poor form and fight sloppy and with too much force and stren
SnakePIissken 4 months ago
@SnakePIissken Ving Tsun is version of Wong Shun Leung!! Leung Ting have Wing tsun
VingTsunFANATIC 4 months ago
@VingTsunFANATIC
Ving Tsun is a dialect. Ving Tsun is from a southern, low class accent. Dishwashers, repairmen. Anyone lower middle class or below. It's not a different style, just a low class way to pronounce Wing Chun. Think Southern USA hick "Ya'all". In proper Cantonese it is Wing Chun. Pronounce it VT in SE China and you are just stupid or low class. In the rest of China they won't even understand you. 1.3 billion Chinese call it "Youg Chun".
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
@kungfusecrets I know about name: Youg Chun" but Wing chun is the name more popular in the West so I use it
VingTsunFANATIC 3 months ago
@SnakePIissken
"Leung ting and "Ving Tsun" is the worst"
Are you saying that you wouldnt be highly succesful with "Leung Ting wing tsun" on the street?
nickless2010 3 months ago
@SnakePIissken
You know your very right if you really need to do it you need to have that reaction already in yourself in order to use it when needed. I been training wing chun under the leung ting system and i believe is one of the best wing chun systems out there. Many people have a lot of jealousy towards leung ting, but sometimes we have to recognize that this man has dedicated a large portion of his life teaching and modifying wing chun techniques.
dja7versatil 3 months ago
@SnakePIissken
As a person that actually knows the true history of WC I can tell you that t is not for fighting the way you describe it. It is designed to take out, maim or kill your opponent within the first second of the conflict. That's how you train and fight with WC Mainland China style.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
I met Leung Ting in one of the seminars in Chicago and he explain with much detail why wing chun is not a fighting style, but rather a concept of fighting. My Sifu also said that many people who train wing chun think is necessary to follow all the rules in the system of wing chun when facing a real fight. However he concluded that the concept is there and is up to you to adapt the movements to your body and break the rules once ur confident of your wing chun. Other than that Leung Ting is great
dja7versatil 4 months ago
Leung Ting should have stepped in afterwards and said do Chi Sao with me, if he was that confident. Leing Kwok Of Shit Wah looked TERRIBLE , and stumpling over off balance made it look all the worse. Wonder who the guy that came up with was trained by in Wing Chun??? Also translation AFTER Ting's guy gets embarrassed - what does Ting say???
CloudsBeyond 4 months ago
@CloudsBeyond
Me, Me!!!!! I'm the guy that trained him!!!! At least up to that point. That was before the heart attack, arthritis and gall bladder going bad. Look at my channel. You will see us training together in some of the earlier videos.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
@kungfusecrets you mean challenger guy that comes up on stage I assume. Leung Ting's Wing Tsun is great, the best ONLY to people in his organisation. Many say it is not all that great when they exchange with others. Leung Ting made his rep off of others, he was never Yip Man's secret closed door last student - all BS but he is wealthy people stay quiet for fear of legal action. Well done for training guy in video only 6 months, Ting Instructor several years at least to reach 5th level!
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
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All this BS in a REAL fight you can rarely if ever apply it, go show me REAL fights with people applying WT or even all out sparring full contact???? Why do you think few if any videos like that? Because it is BS! Any good MMA guy will smash a WT Bum they train much harder & fight a lot; the WT guy practices nice drills with a partner, wooden dummy, forms, etc - rarely if ever fights or spars all out & does not train anywhere near as hard as MMA guys.
CloudsBeyond 4 months ago
Full name of 5th Level Instructor is Leing Kowk Of Shit Wah.
CloudsBeyond 4 months ago
Guy at end should have followed up punching or slapping him when WTT (WT Turd) fell over. Well known and reported also guy with blindfold had severe flatulence problem and kept bottom burping violently on stage, so embarrising he looked a fool in chi sao, worse to keep bottom burping in front of live audience. Go do MMA, Krav Maga etc if you want real practical self defence, go study WT BS if you like fancy impractical BS & nice drills not for real fighting.
CloudsBeyond 4 months ago
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WT in Germany is almost like a cult these Turds actually think WT is the ultimate martial art or very practical self defence, it is neither! Ting & Kernspecht have marketed this Turd-itional crap very well indeed. Why NO videos of WT jokers fighting for real or even sparring all out actually applying WT on Youtube??? That would be because it is pure BS! Standing around practicing nice partner drills - chi sao, lat sao, etc and forms, wooden dummy, etc WILL NEVER = make you a great fighter!
CloudsBeyond 4 months ago
This is not Leung ting....!
He is Leung Ting > /watch?v=IQP6_G3bzjI
TiGeMichael 4 months ago
I have a secret for Leung Ting, William Chueng and all the other masters. Chi sao is helpful in learning to anticipate ones moves with the sense of touch. BUT what theynever tell you (purposely or in ignorance) is that chi sao is for limited speeds.Before you turn against me, go try what I said in your school. When hands are joined in chi sao, lunge your fist thinking:(Continues downwards)
outofthebox7 4 months ago
"He's not going to get thechance to sensemy move.It will just be 'teleported' to his chest. It will disregard his arm on my skin, as if there is no space between point A and point B."
Just when you hit, pull it back fast, don’t leave it out at all! He’ll be mad.
If you are at least one year student in the art&do this,you will realize the scam within chi sao when it is misused. -That's what went wrong in the videio.Chi sao is not for fighting, it’s atraining tool for **a particular purpose**.
outofthebox7 4 months ago
Just like the crap they teach in Europe for ridiculous prices!!
Go and learn WSL.
cornwallgeezer 4 months ago
@cornwallgeezer
And what is WSL?
Aphrophis 4 months ago
@Aphrophis Wsl is Wong sheung Leung wing chun!
cornwallgeezer 4 months ago
@cornwallgeezer
Sorry, I'm not that familiar with all the differences within Wing Chun....what is so different about WSL?
Aphrophis 3 months ago
Chalenge people is the worst way to discover your own weakenesses...
Bad, bad idea....
paulocarvalhojr 4 months ago
hahahahahaha!!!!!! 2 persons trying to take advantage of one another...
volikoto 4 months ago
Thats sad. The problem is, 1)The Wing chun guy with the blindfold was not taught proper control, he obviously let his emotions get the best of him, and that's why he ended up falling on his face like an idiot. 2) They had some young punk do sticky hands with one of the guys student, bad mistake.
Both guys tried to one up the other, rather than show the beauty of Wing Chun.
SchizophrenicNYC 4 months ago
disgraceful
louidoggify 4 months ago
That was funny as hell!!! buhahahaha!!!
jugerknott09 5 months ago
leung ting is good for money, is not good for fighting
WingChunKungFuBoxer 5 months ago
THIS IS NOT LEUNG TING!!!!
GANGSTERTAINMENT 5 months ago
what would be more HILARIOUS was if that was Leung Ting himself..XD!!!
Jeruwalter 5 months ago
That is a good slap. The audience bowed to the crowd, not his competitor. How rude. Mainland Chinese have no manners, just like the uncivilized culture they live in.
catfoodv 5 months ago
@catfoodv
I spent over 4 years of my life living in Mainland China. I am curious as to how long you lived there. From your statement it sounds like you have never set foot in Mainland China.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
What was the point in this stupid kerfuffle? (retorical question!)
ferkinskin 5 months ago
LOL, only LOL. You dont need more words for this embarissing show
TheChakrusWT 5 months ago
既然是來料, 又為何黐手
thomaskoo 5 months ago
haha,immer wieder amüsant die jungs- und jeder von denen, der bisher bei uns war hat festgestellt, das sein system nicht funktioniert... ucc-hamburg
fewag 5 months ago
THIS IS NOT WING CHUN , its embaresing .....
MrPistolero76 5 months ago 8
@MrPistolero76 It turned from WC in a mess of grappling.
chisaoboy 3 months ago
@MrPistolero76 This IS Wing Chun and Yes its embaressing, cuz it doenst work. Its more a catfight between people who dont know how to fight.
minasz 2 months ago
@minasz Its embarrassing cus they are inept. Their lack of skill is no indicator of the effectiveness of this art.
flickerman68 2 months ago 2
So the Sifu is from Leung ting lineage.. which lineage is the student?
VomitBog 6 months ago
@VomitBog
Mine. Check out my videos/channel.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
I can't understand..."bad day of Leung Ting" but Leung Ting is not sparring, so why bad day?
Can anyone explain me this?
Drughi22Bianconeri 6 months ago
@Drughi22Bianconeri His 5th level instructor is getting embarrassed by an audience member who is obviously trained by some other instructor. However, looks like both of them are dropping form and resorting to brawling.
kfliden 5 months ago
@kfliden Ok thanks! I can't understand very well English and I didn't understand that the man was his 5th level instructor.
Thanks again!
Drughi22Bianconeri 5 months ago
@kfliden
Well, the young student only has 6 months training. I know this because he was my student.
kungfusecrets 3 months ago
@kungfusecrets I am missing the updates on your channel. Have you been too busy teaching in China?
Mud111 2 months ago
@Mud111
Sites back up, but needs some work. some body hacked it and brought it down. I am arthritic and had a heart attack. I am back in the USA and on the mend, so we will soon see a revived site. Thanks
kungfusecrets 2 months ago
@kungfusecrets Thats great. Looking forward to it. Will you be posting about any of the Gwangzhou WC styles in the US?
Mud111 2 months ago
WING CHOWNED
Woundheir 6 months ago
Leung Ting has done some great work but he seems to be headed down the gutter. The EWTA and even Emin seem to have a better grasp of everything now.
marimanque 6 months ago
I hope the people in Europe love spending huge amounts of cash to learn this crap wing chun. Research more before jumping in , all that shines is not gold!!
Peace!!
cornwallgeezer 6 months ago
lol the kid just kicked some ass
TheFatKid128 6 months ago
Why did the instructor guy actually hit? Wasn't it suppose to be a friendly spar?
almo8989 6 months ago 6
@almo8989 The problem is: martial artists actually *do* hit themselves during sparring. Less chi-sao, more sparring, if you want to give this beautiful art the credit it deserves.
arekuso78 2 months ago
@almo8989
Yes, the instructor was pissed that this kid was actually not just laying down for him so he smacked the kid. Turned out not to be such a good move.
kungfusecrets 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@kungfusecrets I agree on LeungTing being a business man and his organisation teaching a low level wingtsun in 85% of its school - however, don't you think that some of his ex-students can reach a high level too? ( e.g : check out "fightermanizdebest" on youtube, some of his videos displays real internal kungfu )
gassmagio 2 months ago
@gassmagio
Bad example. Look, I do not personally know him. He could beat me. Most 4 year old girls could beat me. I am arthritic and had a heart attack. He's a good fighter, but his KF is VERY sloppy. In China he couldn't get a student. He seems sincere, seems to be good at fighting. But I see no internal Kung Fu at all in his videos. Zero(0). Leung Ting, as an individual practitioner, is about 20 times better than this guy. That's not even a slight exaggeration.
kungfusecrets 2 months ago
@kungfusecrets aouch... i must disagree with you on that one :) i have around 10 years training in WT and always enjoyed meeting sifus of others WC / WT associations; I might have crossed hands 11 of them and only two of them convinced me of their skills..and he is one of those two. Believe me it is not what you might see, his KF is definitely good . Thanks for answering anyway
gassmagio 2 months ago
what a embarasement! as a 5th level "top student" and still cannot control your temperament!...literally sprawling all over the stage!
tenwords1 6 months ago 2
@Cloudbeyond
Perhaps you need to fight one of the masters in WC/WT. You seem to be an authority in western style martial arts. It's easy to say MMA can beat whatever. In truth, would you use your MMA against multiple opponents? Probably not. But I can also type enough to say I can win against any style. Is it true? Maybe.. but since you typed also MMA can beat WC/WT, then prove it.
Unless you're of those Internet junkies who do google wiki et al.
kittykat76 6 months ago
They both seem to be missing the point of chi sau/gau sau lol
FatShanWingChun 6 months ago
@wingfighter77 also WT ist eine reine Selbstverteidigung, Freefight (mma) ist reiner Kampfsport der dazu ausgelegt ist sich mit anderen zu messen.
WT war bis vor 10 Jahren nicht bekannt und daher sehr gefährlich. Inzwischen wird in jeder guten Kampfsportschule auch auf WT eingegangen. MMA ist rein auf Vollkontakt ausgelegt, WT ist auf taktilen Reflexe aufgebaut und Gleichzeitigkeit (Abwehr und Angriff) . aber man merkt das du von KS nicht viel ahnung hast...sorry
Sirsuckme76 7 months ago
@Sirsuckme76
Was soll denn der Mist von WT ist Selbstverdigung, MMA ist .... . Entweder es funktioniert im Kampf oder es funktioniert nicht, und WT funktioniert im echten Kampf NICHT. Da gibt es genügend Videos auf Youtube, die das belegen. Wenn ich unrecht habe, kannst du mir gerne ein Link senden, wo das Gegenteil der Fall ist (bitte nur echte Kämpfe). Die einzige gute Technik an WT ist der Kettenfauststoß. Sehr effektiv im ersten Moment. Rest ist fürs Theater.
blueneptun1 7 months ago
@blueneptun1 Du beziehst dich auf "videos" ... das ist schon ziemlich oberflächlich wie ich finde...
Ich selbst habe viele vorurteile gehabt bevor ich mit dem Wing Chun angefangen hab(nicht wing tsun, denn offenbar sind das zwei total verschiedene paar schuhe.). Ich persöhnlich finde zb Kickboxen und Boxen weniger effektiv. Habe beides ausprobiert und es ist eben ein Sport und nicht für die Straße gedacht. Was bei WC jedoch der Fall ist.
Du solltest erstmal ein probetraining machen.
Salamaleikum80 6 months ago
Also Wing Chun und WingTjun oder Tsun sind nur andere Schreibweisen. Zitat WIKI:
Aus markenrechtlichen Gründen und um sich von anderen Schulen und Verbänden abzugrenze, so z. B. Wing Tsun (W.T.), Wyng Tjun, Ving Tsun (V.T.), Wing Tzun, Wing Chung, Wing Shun, Wing Tsung, Wing Tsjun, Wing Tjuen, Ving Chun (VC)Ich mache selber seit Jahren Kampfsport und lerne nun seit gut einem Jahr WT Freistil dort sind viel Elemente wie Bodenkampf, Boxkampf usw. enthalten Der Kettenfauststoss hat zwar nicht
Sirsuckme76 6 months ago
Ich mache selber seit Jahren Kampfsport und lerne nun seit gut einem Jahr WT Freistil dort sind viel Elemente wie Bodenkampf, Boxkampf usw. enthalten Der Kettenfauststoss hat zwar nicht die Wucht wie Ein Schlag von einem Boxer, aber die schnellen Schläge auf den kopf-halsbereich zwingen (meistens) den Gegenr in eine Defensive Haltung, dann kann der Erfahrene WT´ler seine Techniken anwenden um ihn Kampfunfähig zu machen.Ja das JKD ist eine sehr gefährliche KS Art und würde mir auch zusagen.
Sirsuckme76 6 months ago
@Sirsuckme76
nicht umsonst hat Bruce Lee Jet Kundo entwickelt. Weil er erkannt hat, das dem Wing Chung einiges fehlt. Er hat Wing Chung mit Elementen aus dem Boxen, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Judo, Ringen.. und sogar aus dem Fechten (Beinarbeit) ergänzt. Warum? Weil Wing Chung alleine nicht für den echten Allroundkämpfer ausreicht- was Bruce Lee dank seiner Vielfältigkeit gewesen ist. Ich möchte dir nicht nahe treten, aber wenn man wirklich das beste für sich will, muss mann die Scheuklappen ablegen.
blueneptun1 7 months ago
@blueneptun1 wie oben schon gesagt gebe ich dir da schon recht, aber trotz allem ist ein erfahrener WT´ler der fleissig geübt hat einn sehr gefährlicher unangenehmer gegner dem nicht leicht beizukommen ist. Das JKD ist sehr viel vielfältiger aber braucht auch viel mehr Aufwand und für einen reinen Anfänger eher ungeeignet. Sehe es eher als Ergänzung zu vorhanden Techniken.Jedoch reichen mir meine Kenntnisse.
Sirsuckme76 6 months ago
@Sirsuckme76 Ich konnte es irgendwie garnicht fassen das leung Ting versagt hat aber ich glaube das was mit dem alter zutun oder und das sah mir bei den Jungen nicht aus wie wing tsun sonder wie grapling
mertscrazyshow 6 months ago
Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kune Do after using Wing Chun in real fights. He called the classical styles "swimming on dry land" and eventually stopped teaching Wing Chun to his students.
asoingles2010 7 months ago