Dude you got tons of comments on this. !! about a year ago on ebay some dude was selling a Zildjian he found at the bottom of a lake and actually put that in the description ,, I bid but lost oh well. Talk about Patina!!
@fatchoppers01 At the bottom of a lake, wow that would be interesting patina! I wonder what would happen if you took a cymbal and kept it under sea water for a few months. I would think that the patina would be quickened due to the salt content in the water... something I just might have to try. Thanks for the interesting idea! Happy drumming!
@fuzzybear718 the point of the video is to demonstrate how to make a cymbal that has too many overtones and too much wash, into a darker and more defined cymbal.
@Korgon2013 Thanks. Check out part 2 of this experiment without the green goo. As well I have another video with an improvised percussion instrument where I use a 105 mm howitzer shell. Happy drumming!
Theres a thing you can buy at most music shops...or drum stores..called Moon Gel...its alot like the sticky hands you get from the 25 cent machine...only its small rectangular strips and you can put them on drums...cymbals...anything really..and they do wonders with changing the pitch of anything...should check um out
@MikeyinaVan Interesting idea. I've used Moon Gels on drums before but never on cymbals. I'll have to try that out and see what difference it makes. Thanks for your comments and happy drumming!
@MikeyinaVan I have a set of those, they work pretty well for deadening toms (putting them along with tom rings makes a very great sound imo). Didn't know they do stuff for cymbals, gonna have to try that tomorrow!
@TheRecordGeek Unfortunately not. I've tried using tape and although it removes a lot of the overtones, I found that it choked the cymbal too much regardless of how much tape I used or where I put it.
i have been trying the same thing, i have some old hi hats. They are Sabian B8 and they are not worth selling other then for scrap metal, i have burried them underground, and its been almost two years, but i still haven't noticed much of a change, i suppose i am just going to let them age, what do you think?
@sirdrumalot9 thanks for your question. My first thought is that if the cymbals didn't sound good to start with, then burying them or altering them will probably not make them sound any better. I would compare it to a bottle of wine. If you start off with a cheap wine that doesn't taste very good and let it age for a few years, more than likely it will still taste the same. B8s are an entry level cymbal and I find that they have a very one dimensional sound quality.
@sirdrumalot9 what burying or artificial aging does is that it usually adds foreign particles in the tone grooves of the cymbal and therefore help make the cymbal darker with less overtones, less wash and quieter. You would be better off using a better quality cymbal for a burying experiment. What you might want to do with your B8s however might be to drill a few holes in the bottom cymbal to alter the sound that way.
@sirdrumalot9 you could also hand hammer your hi-hats to add some texture to their sound. Keep in mind this process is not reversible. If you are not happy with the hammering, you will not be able to change it but if you are unhappy with the sound as it is, what have you got to lose?
@sirdrumalot9 you might want to do a Google search on Sabian Fusion Hi Hats to see how many holes to drill and where to drill them. As well, for hammering patterns, Dream Cymbals have some interesting patterns. I hope this helps to answer your question. If you have any more questions, I would be more than happy to try to answer them. Take care. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Keep on Rockin'
@sirdrumalot9 Thing about the B8s is that they really don't have any grooves in them and the metal composition isn't the same as the higher end cymbals. So there's nowhere for the dirt and dust particles to cling to. That's partially why burying them doesn't change the sound.
@ConcretePie HAHAHA That's awesome! But seriously though, mustard might do some really freaky things to a cymbal. Thanks for thinking outside the box and happy drumming to you! Cheers
That is one nice cymbal. It actually reminds me a bit of the new Sabian Omni Ride from the same drum shop Sabian 22" AAX OMNI Cymbal (222OMX-1012011C) . I think that is going to be my next cymbal purchase. The reason I like the Omni is that the stick definition is real nice near the bell and the wash is greater near the outer edge of the cymbal but not so much as to be out of control. Thanks again for your email. I will be doing the hammering experiment over the holidays and post a vid.
Sabian 21" HHX Groove Ride Cymbal (12189XN-1032310K) copy and paste this on the Youtube search bar. My Zildjian sounds like this cymbal but a bit higher pitched. It has the same qualities - a little too much wash and could use more stick definition. Its definitely a top notch cymbal nonetheless but I'm looking for something musically versatile and dynamically controllable. In other words a bit darker with crash-ability.As I have no video I hope this provides a window into what I'm working with.
With that said I'm very excited to see how your blow torching and hammering explorations turn out. I am glad that you take whatever ideas I've thrown out there lol you've offered quite a foundation for my ventures. I never thought about baking and wasn't aware of how that would effect the cymbal. All I know is that heat makes molecules move around faster and usually makes most things expand. Thank you, I will probably end up baking a pie hehe. So far my mixture + 44°F Humidity: 60% no video :(
Thank you for responding promptly and for the Holiday wishes. Its Christmas to me but everyone gets so political or historical and maybe even religious about these topics so I understand lol. Merry Christmas to you and your family as well :) I watched the Part 2 of your video repeatedly. I liked what I heard and saw. Before viewing your Patina experiment I was sold on Sandblasting because I just paid 150+tax here in CA on my 18" Zildjian A and hammering seemed to steep as I have no experience.
So my question is - are chemicals on the cymbal the oxidizing agent? and the cymbal itself the reducing agent?
And therefore the more time the cymbal spends in the wet juicy state, the more it is chewed up by the mixture.
Or does the chemical reaction and the drying process make it turn green and what not. Since the mixture dries, fills in the grooves somewhat and mellows out the cymbal.
I hope you can shed some light on your process. Congratulations as well, you're the only cat I found here
@ibanezmk1 Wow, first of all thank you for your interest in cymbal experimentation and thanks as well for such a detailed message. Let me first state that I don't know much about how the process works only that it does. My brother is a drummer as well and he is the one that told me about the lemon juice and flour mixture that one of his friends had put on a cymbal and left it outside on a very hot and sunny day. He only did so for approx 12 hours.
@ibanezmk1 What happened was that the mixture was actually baked on the cymbal. I'm not sure if the cymbal mixture turned green like mine did but apparently the patina on it is so deep that you would need some emery paper (sandpaper for metal) to remove all the patina. Whereas mine is not as deep. The reason I used a plastic bag was that it was during the winter and it would not have been hot enough outside to bake the cymbal. As well the cymbal was too large to place in an oven.
@ibanezmk1 The reason I left the cymbal in the plastic bag for 7 days was that I would check it daily and was not happy with the process until day 7. The reason it turned green was that it oxydized the cymbal. The bag was tied very loosely so that there was still some air to help oxydize it. I figured I would let it dry for 2 days to simulate the paste that dried on the cymbal in the sun (from the other experiment).
@ibanezmk1 The only reason that I am aware that you need to use flour is to help the mixture stick to the cymbal, otherwise the lemon juice just rolls off. I have never tried salt, but if Stanton Moore uses it, it obviously must work. I have another cymbal that I would like to try it on. Thanks for the idea. By the way, that's the reason I did the video because I didn't see anything else on YouTube. My only regret is that I didn't film the entire process.
@ibanezmk1 For the next cymbal I think I will film it from start to finish so that everyone can see the consistancy of the mixture. As well, although I have close to 50,000 views on this video, I only have about 1600 views on the Part 2, which is the same cymbal with the green goo washed off with lukewarm water. Did you get a chance to look at the Part 2 - AFTER video?
@ibanezmk1 I hope this helps to answer some of your questions. If you have any more or if I forgot to mention anything that you would like to know, please just ask, and I will do my best to answer. I would be very interested in hearing and seeing your cymbal once it is done. For my next project I'm looking at taking a blowtorch and a ball peen hammer to the cymbal to see how it will change the sound.
@ibanezmk1 When I did a tour of the SABIAN cymbal plant, they mentioned that hammering helps to focus the sound and get rid of a lot of the overtones. Thanks again for your question and happy drumming.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (or Happy Holidays) to you and your family.
I don't understand the chemical process that would happen between your mixture on the cymbal in the bag for 7 days. Since oxidation has to do with a oxygen reaction to the chemicals and the metal right? This is where my chemistry fails me.
This is what I have found on Wiki
In redox processes, the reductant transfers electrons to the oxidant. Thus, in the reaction, the reductant or reducing agent loses electrons and is oxidized, and the oxidant or oxidizing agent gains electrons and is reduced
I added my creamy mixture to this 60's-early 70's Zildjian A 18" 6 hole riveted cymbal. I applied it by pouring some on top/bottom of the cymbal and rubbing it in with a towel. After rubbing it around with the grain of the groove I waited til the cream dripped off the sides with a layer across the bottom and top of the cymbal. I placed it on top of a plastic bag and left it outside for it to dry and be in the elements for a few days. Stanton Moore's stank juice requires only lemon juice/salt
I want to compare what I have done to what you have done to see if theres any problems with what I am doing. I've read plenty of posts on this topic before doing it. All of them are filled with trash talkers with no reasoning for their arguments. The few posts that I have found contain no video or pictures. The reason I added salt was because of this post, and youtube won't allow me to post. I want to know if there is a particular reason you left it in a bag for 7 days?
I am in the process of what you have done. My mixture was done in a large mixing bowl, with the handle that one uses for cooking. I used 4 fluid ounces of lemon juice - the whole plastic lemon, two handfulls of salt, and matched one third of the liquid with flour. So however much 4 fluid ounces fills up a mixing bowl i eyeballed a third of that to be flour applied. It made a cream - yellow white in color. I wanted to try this with a recently bought Zildjian A 18".
@zepfloyd1964 That's cool. The reason I ask is because I have a friend from Illinois who has the sort of the same accent as you yeah. He also plays the drums. Oh and I'm from South Louisiana.
@wtrad Louisiana? Wow, I'm an Acadian from New Brunswick. If you are aware of the history of Louisiana, a lot of Acadians were deported to Louisiana in 1755. Small world we live in. Hey, you never know, we might be cousins! lol
@zepfloyd1964 Yeah they practically nailed that story into our heads when we were in elementary school. However cajun I may be only my grandma on my Dad's side is a full descendent of the Acadians and Cajun French is her first language. My last name is Bazer because my dad's dad is of German descent. I've been born and raised in the Acandian region of Louisiana. But, yeah that's pretty cool I'm glad that I got to talk to you.
I like the darker sound and less sustain with the junk on it..... Great way to experiment with different tones. Gives another dimension to tweak tones via different mics and EQ settings.
@Mikeysaur93 yes I do but just for fun and not for educational purposes. Check out my YouTube page and feel free to subscribe. Thanks for your interest. Happy drumming
@Mikeysaur93 Everyone hits a drum like the same. It's just how strong you are hitting your batterhead. I like nylon tips more, because of their sound on my Ride cymbal and they don't fray as much as wooden tips do. :)
@Suiax that's a great idea because a lot of places offer free shipping over a certain amount (usually $300.00) I know Guitar Center has a website for new and used equipment. Might check that out in the near future. Thanks
@Suiax In Canada, however the local drum shops only carry Sabian, Zildjian and Dream cymbals. I have to drive about 2 hours to get to a store that carries Paiste.
@Suiax I like Paiste cymbals as well however, they are very difficult to get where I live. Would love to try out a pair of 15" 2002 Sound Edge hats to see how they feel and sound. Cheers
If you wanted a darker sound, you could've just buried in the ground and let it stay for about a months or two. Does the same thing. Gets rid of high overtones.
hujowo, lepiej zakop blaszkę na 2 miechy za domem i obczaj jaki efekt, ja tak zrobiłem z ękniętym hihatem 14 paiste 302, wyciąłem na 10 i zakopałem na jesień, efekt, uważam że zmienił sporo barwe, wydaje sie jeśniejszy i bardziej suchy, tak psychodeliczny, jak lubicie psychodeliczne, blaszki to robcie ozony z małych crashy 12-15 będą zajebisscie suche i psychodeliczne
@RoboticusMusic ??? Why are you yelling and what is your point? I have to clean my stuff because you can't afford to buy an instrument? I like some of my cymbals with lots of patina and apparently you do not. Why would I want to do something to make you happy? You worry about your own shit and I'll take care of mine.
I'll agree that this drastically changes the sound of the cymbal but from my own personal point of view, the overtones that stuff creates is too much, it'd be terrible for recording. Maybe for loud open spaces like an arena or a biggish venue but otherwise :S
@MrLioncash check out part 2 with the green goo removed. I'd be interested in your feedback after you have listed to that one. Part I is only a portion of the experiment. Cheers
impresiv- good use to alternate the sound of the ride. great use for a mute. although there are diffrnt things to use that better- this is one good way to do so.
HAHAHAHA..A zildjian a sounds better covered in shit...No surprise..They have always been a shitty company..Oh I still use some of them but they are not a good company. they were never famous for customer service thats for sure....And half their a line sounds like shit.I used z's for 20 yrs...Shitty finishes..Sound good and the k are good for the most part.
@Zacpack91 I use z's and k's and One 14 a.I am not rich enough to take a loss on the z's I spent over a grand on and buy some thing else..The finish was CRAP from day one and no one wanted to do anything about it..They were custom ordered and shipped.I would have had to pay the ret..Its a long story..They suck as a company...FACT!
@kyledrummer92 I didn't measure it but I would guess that it was approximately 2 cups of flour to 1 cup of lemon juice. I mixed both together into a paste and them spread it all over the cymbal on both sides
@EnchiladaMan360 It's actually just a cheap Canon PowerShot SD200 digital camera with 3.2 megapixels. Video came out alright but the audio is a bit poor in that it doesn't really reflect the true sound of both cymbals. It was my first experiment with artificial aging a cymbal. It's now one of my favourite ride cymbals. Thanks for checking out my vid. Happy Drumming
Every time you hit it- it sends spores into the air - you breath that shit and think that the dull, dry as shit sound is good. Try it with really light sticks so we can get more definition and play sound swung shit on it........cheers bro
@DonthackGMJ32 I would disagree with you there. I have owned Paiste, Zildjian, Sabian and UFIP and I found nice cymbals from all these companies, but to each his own. You have a right to your opinion. Thanks for your feedback and interest. Cheers
@DonthackGMJ32 zildjian sucks? just like that? oooooooooooooooooooooooooooook........................... yoooouuuuu are riiiiighhhht, eeeeveeerythingggg is gooonnaaaa beeee jussssttttt fiiiiiiiiiineeee... juuussssttttt reeeeeesttttt sooooome annd beee baaaaack... you idiot.
I really really like the patina on that cymbal, it adds such a dulled out ,but not boring sound to it. It seems to eliminate a lot of overtones and brightness, which is awesome.
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ohh dude, why do you jizzed on your cymbal? :O
Rectaldagger 2 weeks ago
ohh dude, why do you jizzed on your cymbal? :O
Rectaldagger 2 weeks ago
ты долбаёб!!!!
FINCHIS1 2 weeks ago
Some people have their heads wedged - this is awesome
TheUnfortunate9 2 weeks ago
I think you can get the same sound just by using some duct tape on the bottom of the cymbal. Rather than letting a ghost take a dump on it
drummerjmp 2 weeks ago
Its extremely dark and evil sounding... I love it! but it doesent look all that great, but i would use it recording for shure!
Overusingthestapler 3 weeks ago 2
@Overusingthestapler thanks
zepfloyd1964 3 weeks ago
Dude you got tons of comments on this. !! about a year ago on ebay some dude was selling a Zildjian he found at the bottom of a lake and actually put that in the description ,, I bid but lost oh well. Talk about Patina!!
fatchoppers01 3 weeks ago
@fatchoppers01 At the bottom of a lake, wow that would be interesting patina! I wonder what would happen if you took a cymbal and kept it under sea water for a few months. I would think that the patina would be quickened due to the salt content in the water... something I just might have to try. Thanks for the interesting idea! Happy drumming!
zepfloyd1964 3 weeks ago
why the fuck has this video so much dislikes?
malebitch92 4 weeks ago
I actually like the gooey cymbal better. It has a darker sound.
slesperado 1 month ago
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Love this and I'm gonna try it with my A. Can I ask a really silly question though.... was it plain or self raising flour?! :-/
one8edrums 1 month ago
@one8edrums regular flour
zepfloyd1964 4 weeks ago
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one8edrums 1 month ago
ah... it sounds very deep.
apd10141 1 month ago
sounds like its possessed by the devil, muhuhaha
MrDvs9000 1 month ago
this is what your cymbol looks like on drugs
nuttsonurdrumset 1 month ago
pour cymbal!
DerPrivatpirat 1 month ago
aight. my ping is too high pitchy. i if it would darken it down a little itd be perfect
shadytree93 1 month ago
@kk456128 Try typing in 0uFGibMohvE for the YouTube identifier or just go to my Channel. All my videos are there.
zepfloyd1964 1 month ago
so would this work on a series ping ride?
shadytree93 1 month ago
@shadytree93 it should work for most cymbals, I would think.
zepfloyd1964 1 month ago
The amount of overtones is too damn high
ahdeeeedit 1 month ago
And this is a 22 inch zildjian ride with toothpaste on it..
frenchtoast218 1 month ago 11
im a bit...perplexed...so wats the point of this video...and how did i get here from watching animal planet?...
fuzzybear718 1 month ago
@fuzzybear718 the point of the video is to demonstrate how to make a cymbal that has too many overtones and too much wash, into a darker and more defined cymbal.
zepfloyd1964 1 month ago
@fuzzybear718 You're just too high buddy.
MrStoner46 1 month ago
almost sounds like an old zildjian earth ride
34jazzman 1 month ago
Love it! Sounds more like Green Goo Spaceship of Doom!
AdlerMow 1 month ago 2
the junk 1 sounds like a deathtone xD
mrbreakstuf 1 month ago
On screenshot, i thought that was globe, on cymbal)))
DjG4meRUS 1 month ago
the green goo made the cymbal sound some what darker not a good effect but im glad to know that the goo can be removed :)
devilzreality93 1 month ago
nice sound. good shit. Sounds gong-ish.
Korgon2013 2 months ago
@Korgon2013 Thanks. Check out part 2 of this experiment without the green goo. As well I have another video with an improvised percussion instrument where I use a 105 mm howitzer shell. Happy drumming!
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
holy shit dude thats not cool dude you completely fucked up a good cymbal but if you was going to use it as a crash cymbal then you ok.
bigswagish 2 months ago
@bigswagish check out my other video. The green goo is only temporary...
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
It's Jessy, I subbed. Add me? Sub? Pwease?
BeautifulMermaidBaby 2 months ago
Theres a thing you can buy at most music shops...or drum stores..called Moon Gel...its alot like the sticky hands you get from the 25 cent machine...only its small rectangular strips and you can put them on drums...cymbals...anything really..and they do wonders with changing the pitch of anything...should check um out
MikeyinaVan 2 months ago 11
@MikeyinaVan Interesting idea. I've used Moon Gels on drums before but never on cymbals. I'll have to try that out and see what difference it makes. Thanks for your comments and happy drumming!
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
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@MikeyinaVan Interesting idea. I've used Moon Gels on drums before but never on cymbals... hahahahahaha what a dumb ass
hecni17 2 months ago
@MikeyinaVan I have a set of those, they work pretty well for deadening toms (putting them along with tom rings makes a very great sound imo). Didn't know they do stuff for cymbals, gonna have to try that tomorrow!
DivineSlayer1 2 weeks ago
couldn't you get the same results by simply using gaffer tape?
TheRecordGeek 2 months ago
@TheRecordGeek Unfortunately not. I've tried using tape and although it removes a lot of the overtones, I found that it choked the cymbal too much regardless of how much tape I used or where I put it.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
i have been trying the same thing, i have some old hi hats. They are Sabian B8 and they are not worth selling other then for scrap metal, i have burried them underground, and its been almost two years, but i still haven't noticed much of a change, i suppose i am just going to let them age, what do you think?
sirdrumalot9 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 thanks for your question. My first thought is that if the cymbals didn't sound good to start with, then burying them or altering them will probably not make them sound any better. I would compare it to a bottle of wine. If you start off with a cheap wine that doesn't taste very good and let it age for a few years, more than likely it will still taste the same. B8s are an entry level cymbal and I find that they have a very one dimensional sound quality.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 what burying or artificial aging does is that it usually adds foreign particles in the tone grooves of the cymbal and therefore help make the cymbal darker with less overtones, less wash and quieter. You would be better off using a better quality cymbal for a burying experiment. What you might want to do with your B8s however might be to drill a few holes in the bottom cymbal to alter the sound that way.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 you could also hand hammer your hi-hats to add some texture to their sound. Keep in mind this process is not reversible. If you are not happy with the hammering, you will not be able to change it but if you are unhappy with the sound as it is, what have you got to lose?
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 you might want to do a Google search on Sabian Fusion Hi Hats to see how many holes to drill and where to drill them. As well, for hammering patterns, Dream Cymbals have some interesting patterns. I hope this helps to answer your question. If you have any more questions, I would be more than happy to try to answer them. Take care. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Keep on Rockin'
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 Thing about the B8s is that they really don't have any grooves in them and the metal composition isn't the same as the higher end cymbals. So there's nowhere for the dirt and dust particles to cling to. That's partially why burying them doesn't change the sound.
youngprofessor 2 months ago
@sirdrumalot9 oops! I just noticed that someone else already gave you the same answer I did. lol My bad.
youngprofessor 2 months ago
it sounds sci-fi and awesome actually.
xVengeancexGalx 2 months ago
@xVengeancexGalx thanks and happy drumming!
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
"Ingredients are common items found in a kitchen."
First thought; Women? mustard?
ConcretePie 2 months ago
@ConcretePie HAHAHA That's awesome! But seriously though, mustard might do some really freaky things to a cymbal. Thanks for thinking outside the box and happy drumming to you! Cheers
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
That is one nice cymbal. It actually reminds me a bit of the new Sabian Omni Ride from the same drum shop Sabian 22" AAX OMNI Cymbal (222OMX-1012011C) . I think that is going to be my next cymbal purchase. The reason I like the Omni is that the stick definition is real nice near the bell and the wash is greater near the outer edge of the cymbal but not so much as to be out of control. Thanks again for your email. I will be doing the hammering experiment over the holidays and post a vid.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
Sabian 21" HHX Groove Ride Cymbal (12189XN-1032310K) copy and paste this on the Youtube search bar. My Zildjian sounds like this cymbal but a bit higher pitched. It has the same qualities - a little too much wash and could use more stick definition. Its definitely a top notch cymbal nonetheless but I'm looking for something musically versatile and dynamically controllable. In other words a bit darker with crash-ability.As I have no video I hope this provides a window into what I'm working with.
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
With that said I'm very excited to see how your blow torching and hammering explorations turn out. I am glad that you take whatever ideas I've thrown out there lol you've offered quite a foundation for my ventures. I never thought about baking and wasn't aware of how that would effect the cymbal. All I know is that heat makes molecules move around faster and usually makes most things expand. Thank you, I will probably end up baking a pie hehe. So far my mixture + 44°F Humidity: 60% no video :(
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
Thank you for responding promptly and for the Holiday wishes. Its Christmas to me but everyone gets so political or historical and maybe even religious about these topics so I understand lol. Merry Christmas to you and your family as well :) I watched the Part 2 of your video repeatedly. I liked what I heard and saw. Before viewing your Patina experiment I was sold on Sandblasting because I just paid 150+tax here in CA on my 18" Zildjian A and hammering seemed to steep as I have no experience.
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
So my question is - are chemicals on the cymbal the oxidizing agent? and the cymbal itself the reducing agent?
And therefore the more time the cymbal spends in the wet juicy state, the more it is chewed up by the mixture.
Or does the chemical reaction and the drying process make it turn green and what not. Since the mixture dries, fills in the grooves somewhat and mellows out the cymbal.
I hope you can shed some light on your process. Congratulations as well, you're the only cat I found here
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 Wow, first of all thank you for your interest in cymbal experimentation and thanks as well for such a detailed message. Let me first state that I don't know much about how the process works only that it does. My brother is a drummer as well and he is the one that told me about the lemon juice and flour mixture that one of his friends had put on a cymbal and left it outside on a very hot and sunny day. He only did so for approx 12 hours.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 What happened was that the mixture was actually baked on the cymbal. I'm not sure if the cymbal mixture turned green like mine did but apparently the patina on it is so deep that you would need some emery paper (sandpaper for metal) to remove all the patina. Whereas mine is not as deep. The reason I used a plastic bag was that it was during the winter and it would not have been hot enough outside to bake the cymbal. As well the cymbal was too large to place in an oven.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 The reason I left the cymbal in the plastic bag for 7 days was that I would check it daily and was not happy with the process until day 7. The reason it turned green was that it oxydized the cymbal. The bag was tied very loosely so that there was still some air to help oxydize it. I figured I would let it dry for 2 days to simulate the paste that dried on the cymbal in the sun (from the other experiment).
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 The only reason that I am aware that you need to use flour is to help the mixture stick to the cymbal, otherwise the lemon juice just rolls off. I have never tried salt, but if Stanton Moore uses it, it obviously must work. I have another cymbal that I would like to try it on. Thanks for the idea. By the way, that's the reason I did the video because I didn't see anything else on YouTube. My only regret is that I didn't film the entire process.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 For the next cymbal I think I will film it from start to finish so that everyone can see the consistancy of the mixture. As well, although I have close to 50,000 views on this video, I only have about 1600 views on the Part 2, which is the same cymbal with the green goo washed off with lukewarm water. Did you get a chance to look at the Part 2 - AFTER video?
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 I hope this helps to answer some of your questions. If you have any more or if I forgot to mention anything that you would like to know, please just ask, and I will do my best to answer. I would be very interested in hearing and seeing your cymbal once it is done. For my next project I'm looking at taking a blowtorch and a ball peen hammer to the cymbal to see how it will change the sound.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@ibanezmk1 When I did a tour of the SABIAN cymbal plant, they mentioned that hammering helps to focus the sound and get rid of a lot of the overtones. Thanks again for your question and happy drumming.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year (or Happy Holidays) to you and your family.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
I don't understand the chemical process that would happen between your mixture on the cymbal in the bag for 7 days. Since oxidation has to do with a oxygen reaction to the chemicals and the metal right? This is where my chemistry fails me.
This is what I have found on Wiki
In redox processes, the reductant transfers electrons to the oxidant. Thus, in the reaction, the reductant or reducing agent loses electrons and is oxidized, and the oxidant or oxidizing agent gains electrons and is reduced
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
I added my creamy mixture to this 60's-early 70's Zildjian A 18" 6 hole riveted cymbal. I applied it by pouring some on top/bottom of the cymbal and rubbing it in with a towel. After rubbing it around with the grain of the groove I waited til the cream dripped off the sides with a layer across the bottom and top of the cymbal. I placed it on top of a plastic bag and left it outside for it to dry and be in the elements for a few days. Stanton Moore's stank juice requires only lemon juice/salt
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
I want to compare what I have done to what you have done to see if theres any problems with what I am doing. I've read plenty of posts on this topic before doing it. All of them are filled with trash talkers with no reasoning for their arguments. The few posts that I have found contain no video or pictures. The reason I added salt was because of this post, and youtube won't allow me to post. I want to know if there is a particular reason you left it in a bag for 7 days?
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
I am in the process of what you have done. My mixture was done in a large mixing bowl, with the handle that one uses for cooking. I used 4 fluid ounces of lemon juice - the whole plastic lemon, two handfulls of salt, and matched one third of the liquid with flour. So however much 4 fluid ounces fills up a mixing bowl i eyeballed a third of that to be flour applied. It made a cream - yellow white in color. I wanted to try this with a recently bought Zildjian A 18".
ibanezmk1 2 months ago
Are you from the North? You sound like a yankee. Not that I have anything against that it's just that I was curious.
wtrad 2 months ago
@wtrad I'm from the North but I'm not a Yank, I'm Canadian. Where are you from?
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 That's cool. The reason I ask is because I have a friend from Illinois who has the sort of the same accent as you yeah. He also plays the drums. Oh and I'm from South Louisiana.
wtrad 2 months ago
@wtrad Louisiana? Wow, I'm an Acadian from New Brunswick. If you are aware of the history of Louisiana, a lot of Acadians were deported to Louisiana in 1755. Small world we live in. Hey, you never know, we might be cousins! lol
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 Yeah they practically nailed that story into our heads when we were in elementary school. However cajun I may be only my grandma on my Dad's side is a full descendent of the Acadians and Cajun French is her first language. My last name is Bazer because my dad's dad is of German descent. I've been born and raised in the Acandian region of Louisiana. But, yeah that's pretty cool I'm glad that I got to talk to you.
wtrad 2 months ago
Sounds similar to an Earth ride
ric66fb 2 months ago
ok ok but its ugly.
NoVAPunkLover 2 months ago 9
@NoVAPunkLover Yes, but the green goo is only temporary. Check out my other video (Part 2 - After) and the goo is gone...
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
Hey, green sounds deaf and dark. Nice experiment, gtfo, haters
Ambaristaron 2 months ago
@Ambaristaron Thanks for the kind words. Cheers
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
Bah :P
i've collecting cash for over a year to buy something like that and now i get to know there are people who actually rub green goop on their cymbal xD!
I've got mixed feelings right now,coz that sounds EPIC-ly awesome
aannurag 2 months ago
@aannurag thanks
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
I like the darker sound and less sustain with the junk on it..... Great way to experiment with different tones. Gives another dimension to tweak tones via different mics and EQ settings.
ChromiumSilver 2 months ago
@ChromiumSilver thanks
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
i cant comprehend what just happened.
tinkersebastian 2 months ago 9
@tinkersebastian OK
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@tinkersebastian haha
TheBloodchain 2 months ago
@tinkersebastian because You're deaf.
Matikow666 2 months ago
nylon tip drum sticks are bad for the drums js :)
Mikeysaur93 2 months ago
@Mikeysaur93 I'm actually using the Phil Collins Pro-Mark wooden tip model. I haven't used nylon tip sticks in a long time...
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 ooo i use that kinda also :D do u do covers?
Mikeysaur93 2 months ago
@Mikeysaur93 yes I do but just for fun and not for educational purposes. Check out my YouTube page and feel free to subscribe. Thanks for your interest. Happy drumming
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 going to check it out now :D
Mikeysaur93 2 months ago
@Mikeysaur93 They aren't. :)
OschiOnDrumsLP 2 months ago
@OschiOnDrumsLP well it depends on how u hit it i always use wooden tips
Mikeysaur93 2 months ago
@Mikeysaur93 Everyone hits a drum like the same. It's just how strong you are hitting your batterhead. I like nylon tips more, because of their sound on my Ride cymbal and they don't fray as much as wooden tips do. :)
OschiOnDrumsLP 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 have though about maybe online shopping thats what I'd do. Plus when you buy stuff online its usally cheaper. At least in US it is.
Suiax 2 months ago
@Suiax that's a great idea because a lot of places offer free shipping over a certain amount (usually $300.00) I know Guitar Center has a website for new and used equipment. Might check that out in the near future. Thanks
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 were do you live?
Suiax 2 months ago
@Suiax In Canada, however the local drum shops only carry Sabian, Zildjian and Dream cymbals. I have to drive about 2 hours to get to a store that carries Paiste.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 personally i prefer the Paiste 2oo2 ride cymbal. But thats just me. These ones are a little more ringy than i like.
Suiax 2 months ago
@Suiax I like Paiste cymbals as well however, they are very difficult to get where I live. Would love to try out a pair of 15" 2002 Sound Edge hats to see how they feel and sound. Cheers
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
if you want to have a vintage sound cymbal...just go buy a vintage series of it...dont jump into a useless adventure like this...
brkthevancat 2 months ago
@brkthevancat Hey dude, it's not a useless adventure if at the end of it, I am happy with the results. Bazinga!
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 lol can tell u watch big bang theory
50sRat 2 months ago
@50sRat yes I sure do, thanks for checking out my video. Happy drumming!
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
They both sound terrible...
Suiax 2 months ago
@Suiax what do you have for cymbals that sound better? I'd appreciate a bit more feedback. Thanks
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
If you wanted a darker sound, you could've just buried in the ground and let it stay for about a months or two. Does the same thing. Gets rid of high overtones.
Gary4824 2 months ago
@Gary4824 Yes I've heard of doing that; however, I wanted to try this method because it is faster. Thanks for your comments
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
I cant say i like either of them.
MirrorMirrorNY2011 2 months ago
hujowo, lepiej zakop blaszkę na 2 miechy za domem i obczaj jaki efekt, ja tak zrobiłem z ękniętym hihatem 14 paiste 302, wyciąłem na 10 i zakopałem na jesień, efekt, uważam że zmienił sporo barwe, wydaje sie jeśniejszy i bardziej suchy, tak psychodeliczny, jak lubicie psychodeliczne, blaszki to robcie ozony z małych crashy 12-15 będą zajebisscie suche i psychodeliczne
91Bartek2365 2 months ago
toothpaste sooo saaad
menwithN0name 2 months ago
both sound like shit >.<
AlexTheDrummer110 2 months ago 2
jajaja sound like shit!!
j1a2g3r 2 months ago
CLEAN YOUR SHIT MAN NOT ALL OF US CAN AFFORD INSTRUMENTS!!!!!
RoboticusMusic 2 months ago 2
@RoboticusMusic ??? Why are you yelling and what is your point? I have to clean my stuff because you can't afford to buy an instrument? I like some of my cymbals with lots of patina and apparently you do not. Why would I want to do something to make you happy? You worry about your own shit and I'll take care of mine.
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago 25
Not a fan of zildjian chinas, personally. That is, if you're me, and drill 6 two inch holes in it :D. I love my china splash tho. Those they do well.
RenegadeSquirrels 2 months ago
I'll agree that this drastically changes the sound of the cymbal but from my own personal point of view, the overtones that stuff creates is too much, it'd be terrible for recording. Maybe for loud open spaces like an arena or a biggish venue but otherwise :S
MrLioncash 2 months ago
@MrLioncash check out part 2 with the green goo removed. I'd be interested in your feedback after you have listed to that one. Part I is only a portion of the experiment. Cheers
zepfloyd1964 2 months ago
impresiv- good use to alternate the sound of the ride. great use for a mute. although there are diffrnt things to use that better- this is one good way to do so.
GrEEnBLunT831 2 months ago
thanks soo much dude! eager to try it.
kyledrummer92 2 months ago
HAHAHAHA..A zildjian a sounds better covered in shit...No surprise..They have always been a shitty company..Oh I still use some of them but they are not a good company. they were never famous for customer service thats for sure....And half their a line sounds like shit.I used z's for 20 yrs...Shitty finishes..Sound good and the k are good for the most part.
runninonempiy 2 months ago
@runninonempiy In all of twenty years, you didn't try a different company?
Zacpack91 2 months ago
@Zacpack91 I use z's and k's and One 14 a.I am not rich enough to take a loss on the z's I spent over a grand on and buy some thing else..The finish was CRAP from day one and no one wanted to do anything about it..They were custom ordered and shipped.I would have had to pay the ret..Its a long story..They suck as a company...FACT!
runninonempiy 2 months ago
I like your experiment !!! It's like when the art of drumming and the art cooking collide !!!
MrRon1507 3 months ago 2
@MrRon1507 thanks, I call it my lemon meringue ride!
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago 4
what the hell is that shit
tacticalboi 3 months ago
@tacticalboi Flour and lemon juice
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
how much of what did you use?
kyledrummer92 3 months ago
@kyledrummer92 I didn't measure it but I would guess that it was approximately 2 cups of flour to 1 cup of lemon juice. I mixed both together into a paste and them spread it all over the cymbal on both sides
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
Doesn't sound half bad to me. Kinda reminds me of the zildjian earth ride.
JazzyJonas 3 months ago
@JazzyJonas thanks
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
respect your kit man!
MrSuperDrums1 3 months ago 3
@MrSuperDrums1 Thanks
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
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JoshCooperDrums 3 months ago
I like the dirty one. Its darker more stick def. It's an evil ride. Muy bueno!
jdillie77 3 months ago
@jdillie77 thanks dude!
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
That must be one nice camcorder! The green goo looks pretty legit.
EnchiladaMan360 3 months ago
@EnchiladaMan360 It's actually just a cheap Canon PowerShot SD200 digital camera with 3.2 megapixels. Video came out alright but the audio is a bit poor in that it doesn't really reflect the true sound of both cymbals. It was my first experiment with artificial aging a cymbal. It's now one of my favourite ride cymbals. Thanks for checking out my vid. Happy Drumming
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
Your cymbal is silly.
grammilla 3 months ago
I could make that look awesome! ;)
bhobo09 3 months ago
NOOOO! Daniel-san! don't touch that cymbal or you will enter the spirit world and awaken the 'Dragon Of Death!' (dramatic music)
Wookieecock 3 months ago 13
@Wookieecock LOL Now that is one of the best responses I have ever heard! Top three for sure
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
0:50 that is an evil cymbal
202drummerboy 3 months ago 2
@202drummerboy it certainly does have character
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
@zepfloyd1964 i know its not bad cymbal, i dont have any better cymbal though.
202drummerboy 3 months ago
Sounds like your hitting a pizza pan
therrera117 3 months ago
@therrera117 I think that is a brilliant observation! I like it!
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
see ........cymbal.....green ...no good .clean - sounds like it should
jeffahearn 3 months ago
see what I mean! I just played a green cybal and wrote the last comment.... clean it and experience the true sound of a vintage cymbal.
jeffahearn 3 months ago
Every time you hit it- it sends spores into the air - you breath that shit and think that the dull, dry as shit sound is good. Try it with really light sticks so we can get more definition and play sound swung shit on it........cheers bro
jeffahearn 3 months ago
certainly very jazz applicable.
kungfuninja55 3 months ago
@kungfuninja55 that's exactly the type of sound I was looking for, thanks
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
i like the sound of it :)
mobiCOKIA 3 months ago
@mobiCOKIA Thanks
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
congratulations, you found out how to make a shitty cymbal shittier
BrennanTheNightHawk 3 months ago 4
@BrennanTheNightHawk Hey that's a good one. I would list it on the top ten comments I have gotten so far! Who's going to top it?
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
it looks like the statue of liberty's ass
putridwarmachine 3 months ago 51
@putridwarmachine I wonder what her ass would sound like if you played it with a 5A drumstick?
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
it sounds terrible
krzysztofszulc1 3 months ago
@krzysztofszulc1 OK thanks. Not everyone likes the same sounds in a cymbal. Cheers
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago 2
It's not the sound quality of your camera, Zildjian just sucks
DonthackGMJ32 3 months ago
@DonthackGMJ32 I would disagree with you there. I have owned Paiste, Zildjian, Sabian and UFIP and I found nice cymbals from all these companies, but to each his own. You have a right to your opinion. Thanks for your feedback and interest. Cheers
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago 3
@zepfloyd1964 Yeah dude I know what you mean. I use Meinl and Paiste. It's just me.
DonthackGMJ32 3 months ago
@DonthackGMJ32 zildjian sucks? just like that? oooooooooooooooooooooooooooook........................... yoooouuuuu are riiiiighhhht, eeeeveeerythingggg is gooonnaaaa beeee jussssttttt fiiiiiiiiiineeee... juuussssttttt reeeeeesttttt sooooome annd beee baaaaack... you idiot.
juanmdmc 3 months ago
@juanmdmc That doesn't even make sense?
DonthackGMJ32 3 months ago
nice sound it seems perfect for swing jazz and fusion!
nadir6661 3 months ago
@nadir6661 thank you for your kind words. I was looking for a jazzy type of sound
zepfloyd1964 3 months ago
I really really like the patina on that cymbal, it adds such a dulled out ,but not boring sound to it. It seems to eliminate a lot of overtones and brightness, which is awesome.
Lastmanonearth 3 months ago