Beyond Theism and On with Evolution: Part One in a Series

[acyberguy]

Hi, I am new to youtube as a participant and looking around. I have been interested in apologetics but find that to be a strain. I liked your video as a rest break from antagonistic arena of apologetics. I am looking for my space on youtube.

[Padgeify]

Thank you it helped answer a few Eileen.However i feel i have more questions than answers, would it be ok to correspond with you when ever i feel troubled??? I feel like i have kept an open mind and never took side to a particulr religion. Following Martin Luther the man who challeneged the church not white supremacy. (he made the 99 thesis) he preached that faith alone is the route to salvation i will follow this proclamation for now.

[forty911]

Its became quite clear to me that Life always existed. Even before this earth was formed. If there was a Father and Son, there had to have been a Mother too. It even talks of sons of god loving the human ladies. Something went wrong in paradise. So Adam and Eve were hear to try and get things right, from what went wrong. There is a mystery of god which is to be understood in the days of the Rock and Roll of the 7 Pearls (as I call them) of Thunder kept secret in Revelations 10.

[forty911]

Its became quite clear to me that Life always existed. Even before this earth was formed. If there was a Father and Son, there had to have been a Mother too. It even talks of sons of god loving the human ladies. Something went wrong in paradise. So Adam and Eve were hear to try and get things right, from what went wrong. There is a mystery of god which is to be understood in the days of the Rock and Roll of the 7 Pearls (as I call them) of Thunder kept secret in Revelations 10.

[dave777blaster]

great  video

[Bern938]

Re: Edom, "I will not give you so much as a foot of ground among them." It's not that God loved the poor, mistreated, etc, but that's all that's left for Christians.

Evolution is incompatible with creation. On the 3rd day were plants; on the 5th, animals. The rainbow, the sign of the covenant that appeared many days after the flood, is a change in light refraction-- therefore a change in physics. No observation can note that.

"When they measure themselves by themselves, they are not wise."

[abbeyharry1952]

Very Interesting Video

Very Well Spoken .

Thanks For Sharing

Keep Smiling

[BobbyHughes1957]

Very enlightening! Thumbs up.

Peace,

Bobby

[forty911]

It become quite clear to me that life always existed, even before this Earth was formed. Something went wrong back there, which was suppose to be fixed here. We all just had to be there in the beginning. Man was told what needed to be said back in those Ancient times. All this could be the mystery of god, which is to be revealed in the 7 Pearls (As I call the.) of Thunder, kept secret in Revelations 10, who are Rock and Roll.

[forty911]

I've come to understand quite clearly that life always existed, even before this earth. There had to have been something that went wrong then, of which this earth was to be where things would be fixed. That could be the mystery of god which was to be complete in the Rock and Roll of the 7 Pearls (As I call them.) of Thunder kept secret for these times in Revelations 10

[richardaberdeen]

[ continuing ] And finally, evolution has no bearing on theism. Evolution is at best, a highly inadequate explanation for how creation functions in the real world. It does not satisfy or even address origins and as such, evolution does not belong in a legitimate discussion on God. Whether one is an atheist or a conservative Christian, the theory of evolution neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.

[eileenfleming]

@richardaberdeen AH, what i am talking about when I say EVOLUTION is RE: The Prince of Peace message to WAKE UP and see The Divine within yourself-all others-all of Creation and in every situation.

This is how mystics 'think' and mystics-stage 4 souls- are challenged by the inadequacy of semantics to explain intuitive thought.

[richardaberdeen]

@eileenfleming There is no evidence that Jesus was a "mystic" and his teachings are for the most part, entirely practical and aimed at the "common person" and as such, can be easily understood without any educational, theological or other training. It does humanity a great dis-service to attempt to complicate what Jesus very clearly taught so any child can understand. Some of what a Jesus taught is cloaked in metaphor, but much of it is deliberately simple and yet, highly accurate.

[richardaberdeen]

@eileenfleming And, most people today reference theories of science in their mind when one uses the term "evolution". Human language is far from perfect and as such, one should be careful which terms they choose if they want to be understood. If they don't care if they are mis-understood, then it doesn't matter. Most of what philosophers and other "high-brow" intellectuals teach in my opinion is worthless, in large part because it has no practical value to the masses.

[forty911]

@eileenfleming It become quite clear to me that life always existed, even before this Earth was formed. Something went wrong back there, which was suppose to be fixed here. We all just had to be there in the beginning. Man was told what needed to be said back in those Ancient times. All this could be the mystery of god, which is to be revealed in the 7 Pearls (As I call the.) of Thunder, kept secret in Revelations 10, who are Rock and Roll.

[richardaberdeen]

[ continuing ] Several of Paul's letters that are considered authentic by virtually all scholars and date 50-70 AD reference things also referenced in the gospels and as such, the story of Jesus pre-dates 50-70 AD based on any fair and unbiased analysis of the historical evidence. In Corinthians Paul says to some of the people he is writing to at Corinith that they knew Jesus "in the flesh", thus again the story of Jesus predates 50 AD.

[richardaberdeen]

This video is correct that Christianity has nothing in common with Jesus. It is incorrect in assuming that Paul is the founder of Christianity. Paul referred to himself as a follower of "the way" several times but never as a Christian and appears in Acts to have deliberately avoided referring to himself as a Christian when responding to a Roman ruler. In Corithinians (AD 50), considered the most authentic of Paul's letters, he refers to the physical ressurection.

[eileenfleming]

@richardaberdeen THANK YOU for this and YES indeed i am aware that Paul was a member of THE WAY!

Did you know that many Biblical scholars today say that the writings attributed to Paul-were NOT All written by Paul-just in his name- which does help explain some of his convoluted logic!

I am not sure if i am remembering right-but i think i read it in a book by Irish-American ex-Catholic priest John Dominic Crossan. I will go and search and let you know next week.

[richardaberdeen]

@eileenfleming Virtually all scholars consider 5 of Paul's letters to be authentic and the majority consider at least 7 authentic. Corinthians sits at the top and is considered the most authentic. In Corinthians, Paul very clearly refers to a physical resurrection and notes several people he is writing to at Corinth knew Jesus in the flesh. It is beyond historical doubt that Paul himself believed in the existence and resurrection of Jesus.

[Daz20s]

Thanks sis Eileen! I've jut logged in YT as I mostly use the other place ;) It's going well over there. There is some great news, I will email you now :)

Thanks for your great work :)

[eileenfleming]

Dominion never meant to rape and plunder, but to nurture, care and love

For every misunderstanding, every condemning thought, every negative vibration, every tear torn from a heart, every time one grabbed and wouldn't let go, and they only did it because they did not know:

The Divine is within all creation and within all women and men.

TBC

[eileenfleming]

And every tiny kindness you have ever done, every gentle word spoken, every time you held your tongue, every positive thought, every smile freely given, every helping hand that opens, helps bring in the kingdom.

And the kingdom comes from above, and it comes from within.

Imagine a kingdom of sisterhood of all creatures and all men.

Christianity was founded by rebels, revolutionaries and dissidents, not conservatives or neo-cons. And same can be said for America!

little sister,

xoxe

[SlackerSlayer]

My basic problem with christians and other abrahamic types, is their text tells us of their all knowing gods plan and creation,,, that seriously messed up somehow. His plan is laid out on the first pages, but how many are working toward a garden planet?

[eileenfleming]

@SlackerSlayer My basic problem with them is they do NOT know their own faith! The Prince of Peace was very clear on what his followers must do: Be NONVIOLENT, love and forgive ones 'enemies' and do NOT judge the nonbeliever, but PROVOKE believers onto good works-such as caring for the poor, ill, widow, orphan prisoners and refugees.

Christians are suppose to understand God/PURE BEING is LOVE and unless COMPASSION rules their hearts-it is the spirit of the anti-Christ/AGAINST Christ within them

[TheGodofBigots]

That was great. Now I have a little pencil... but I've been told size doesn't matter.

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You should suggest a favorite book to read.

[eileenfleming]

@TheGodofBigots haha! As long as you have got some lead in that pencil; never worry.

Here's THE BOOK you should read: :KEEP HOPE ALIVE" by eileen fleming.

Send me an email through left margin of my website: WeAreWideAwake[dot]org and I will send you a complimentary copy!

[inuyashanaruto188]

really cool video : )

[SeekEnlightenment11]

Nice video. It's really irritating when people are unable to accept how reality is because a holy text got it wrong hundreds of years ago.

[eileenfleming]

@SeekEnlightenment11

@SeekEnlightenment11

Ah, but the TEXT was written down by ancients after decades/centuries of oral traditions by human scribes and some of them edited/added/deleted and so, what we have are a collection of STORIES from the ancients who STRUGGLED with PURE BEING!

BTW-The first mention of Israel in the Bible is in Genesis 32, when Jacob wrestled, STRUGGLED and then clung to the Divine being and was then renamed Israel, so i imagine ANY who also do; are Israel too.

[ThisBoyTV]

I had to watch this twice :)

Just finished reading Church in Crisis. How it took the Catholic Church 1200 years of arguing to finish the Canons. Made it easy to understand why Evolution is misunderstood today.

[peoplepassion]

Nicely done, Eileen...

Thank you !!!

[bryanoverturf1]

all my stars sis,,,love that smile,,,goes well with the ism;s,,ur so smart,,,love you,,,ur bro,,beautiful,,,thesis

[eileenfleming]

I am acutely techie challenged and remain clueless as to HOW to SHARE this message with all my YT Friends, so if any who pass this way can send me direction, much gratitude/love 2U,

little sister,

xoxe

[eileenfleming]

THANK YOU Brothers for the directions-i am now no longer clueless about the YT system thanks 2 U,

xoxe