Big Trucks Big Bucks ~ Top Notch ~ KW T660 rear bed 132" custom sleeper truck

[TheGeeksOfNorway]

Its a nice truck you got there!

[mineADrIan0707]

da frate asa ceva mi-ar place si mie sa conduc :D

[duden01]

I live in Norway, Europe and drive the biggest truck you can find here. A Mercedes Actross. Feel free to google it..

Anyway. I'm 19 years old, driving long hauling.. Driving all across the country. But i'm kind of tired of it.. Would be great to get an opportunity to go to the US and drive there instead.. Bether roads, longer roads. A bether invirement.. And, ofcourse, drive big and beautiful trucks like these :)

Well.. I hope i can get there someday :)

[mowat440]

sweet as heel how moch is one of thoes

[jimiot]

@hockeygeek95 a truck

[xxwesdogxx]

how much money do you make per trip on average and how long is each trip on average?

[putamadrenicolas]

how often do you change the battery?

[stayingman]

@putamadrenicolas the 4 - group 31 750CCA batteries common with long haul heavy trucks seem to last about 2 years... sometimes a lot less, particularly if allowed to go dead in winter time. far too often then, they wont take a charge and need to be replaced.

[putamadrenicolas]

@stayingman ok got it. thank you

[jimiot]

@stayingman Well I live in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada and upped an extra 8.5 grand for an APU generator 3 years ago and never replaced the original batteries that came with the truck! Its a VNL780 witha fridge 42inch flatscreen, microwave, custom stereo, Playstation3 loads of goodies but the APU re charges the battery runs the anti freeze through the engine in winter and keeps all my electronics running all while keeping me toasty best 8.5 grand spent!

[kdraper2007]

@Plasmafant0m there is a curtain that follows the dash edge from side to side. then there is a curtain that goes across the sleeper access.

[baarani]

thank you stayingman for making me understand i appriciated this helped me alot because i didn't no what is the maximam waight u can haul in us but now i know so i don't have to look for 200 or 300 thousands dallar truck thanks alot stayingman

[baarani]

how much dose it cost this trucks, i have heard that there is a truck for 400 thousands of dallar if u can tell me the price and the truck which one better than the others that would be great cause i don't know what trucks are better for havey hauling and lite hauling wich one safer easyer to handle thanks

[stayingman]

@baarani new trucks like this average a little over $200,000 in the US.. This specification is not really set up for heavy hauling but it can easily handle about 110,000 pounds - 15 ton above the 80,000 lb. US universal weight laws. The most common use for this tractor is step deck trailers... next in line might be enclosed auto hauling and next down the list might be any van hauling high value products.

[stayingman]

@Plasmafant0m

there is a curtain behind the seats up front... they will pull together to close the room.

[transitcoffin]

how lucky is he getting this truck christ i would do nights out all year in this truck bloody fantastic 5******* at its best

thanks for posting it : )

[LeandroMuntendam]

goddamn. a motorhome. looks like that truck has more room in it then i have in my house. and i have two stories

[vvti713]

how much is it im in the market to get one.=]

[cjswebsite]

damn i want one those for owner operator

[jimbob3514]

jeeeeze 27 meat pies later and i'm still hungry!!

[bucketzakkdimetconn]

Thats a nice one ..big

[nigelandbozena]

Wow, that really is home from home.

[mooo483]

Wow, it's like a really small studio apartment inside a truck.

[bugablue]

potty

[jessebob123]

god dats big

[stayingman]

Western Star at one time was considered among the best trucks made. I don't think many truckers hold the Star with as high regard since Freightliner bought the brand... I am not sure exactly when that was, but I think 1999 or so? I do remember that immediately after Freightliner bought WS... the WS wholesale auction values plummeted. I may stand corrected, but since German ownership, I dont think the WS market share has ever topped 5%?

[kdraper2007]

@stayingman everything seems to go to hell in a handbasket when taken over by Germans. At one time Dodge built great vehicles, but since the Germans bought Chrysler, they've been sucky. even now that they are back in American ownership they still build the same junk. now the Government, Fiat, & the parasites of the UAW have stepped in, all that is left is for the company to implode.

[StarCar98]

Two words Western Star

[nicebigtruck]

look for what is not a commodity -antique cars, personal furniture, custom fabrications... invaluable to the owner. this is the kind of stuff that the owner will look for a carrier who is good - not cheap. watch - learn  rigging. you will notice that the trailer top operators pull is often flexible. it will haul run of the mill load/rate - but maybe it stretches, or lower, or higher inside measurement, lighter, or... flexible specialty trailers reach deep into niche markets and high $ loads.

[Palenka]

i love the vid our ur road house lol, but i tried the site and it brought me to a foreign one. im 19 and in the process of getting my CDL class A and im going towards being a heavy duty tow truck driver because of my teacher/friend, im not doin the school gonna learn from him...so i would like to make this a living and any help would be great on what areas of the business are good to work in. :-)

[stevesprinceofsteaks]

Nice rig. But $200k for sleeper is way out of line. Have KW 86"studio with apu and no where near that kind of cash. You can get a nice pusher motor home for less than what these sleeper outfits charge. But to each his own. Hope you are getting enough $3 mile frgt to make it worth your investment.

[stayingman]

Yes, W9 studios I've moved w/tripac sold for $130,000, more or less. Others have long argued that the sleeper companies want way too much... that said, Bentz went south last month. I assume the other 2 bigs(ARI & ICT) will survive, but many of the ARI's that recently left my lot - left with the grease of a $20,000+ cash rebate. Meanwhile, it would seem that most 3 dollar freight took a vacation months ago ;-(

[dn98321]

a big truck

good

[AUSSIEROADTRAINFALLA]

this is a great truck if only our stupid government would change the specs and regs to allow these sleepers in our aussie trucks we would be better off in my opinon great video

[smokie42012]

it will pay for its self...nice truck and or home on wheels

[brendangardner]

nice home, man

[stayingman]

IN the neighborhood of $200,000 for new.

[TheTarrMan]

How much does something like that cost?

[stayingman]

2009 - 10's are out now but are identical. The 2011 models (jan 1st of 2010) will have the new SCR engine - SCR is the urea compound most engine manufactures will use to meet the EPA regulations that become effective 1/1/2010. Strangely, these new engines will improve on the existing fuel mileage by about 5%, by allowing the engine to run dirty, with the SCR compound then scrubbing the exhaust clean.

[greyhound4211]

nice truck wats the year model on it

[stvna8040]

you really dont need a truck like that, all you need is a simple sleeper cab. waste of money

[stayingman]

Sure, for most, your comment is correct, Others find the ability to be comfortably self contained actually saves them money. In fact, if you actually talked to an owner of a truck like this you might discover you are talking to a very successful business person, But, you are correct: in that many or most truckers dont require or cant even use a long, heavy truck like these -

[makaveli087]

Wow! Thats a gorgeous Cab.

[BOBAZDMEG]

WOW O.0 thats what i call a NICE TRUCK

[stayingman]

that is the exact situation with a few of my customers... they have a mailing address, maybe at their sisters place, or even the company they pull for. often they are divorced... now married to the american roads. :)

[justinshell01]

you wouldnt even have to own a house if you wenrt married just live in you truck and drive every day of the week and if you wanna tke the day off just park at a truck stop and relax all day

[skaterlee2]

Well Im from australia what would u reconmend if i moved to america to drive one of them how much would it cost me to fill her up run her? and buy one?

[stayingman]

Respectfully :) I would not recommend buying such a truck until one is fairly expert in the specific market the owner/driver expects to pay for the truck. These trucks costs $200,000 and up and loose more than 10% of their value as they leave the truck lot - more with each day that goes by. Too expensive for any wasted motion... also, lenders want the experienced in the markets necessary to make the higher truck payments. Buyers who have cash - always find an easier living.

[stayingman]

You have introduced a multi-billion dollar subject, one currently shaking the USA truck world. Paccar is NOW in the process of building an engine plant in Mississippi, USA to build the engine you told us about. Cat engines will no longer be available after January 1st of 2010(as 2010 EPA Regs. implement)Then,Paccar KW and Pete dealers will surely display trucks with the new PACCAR(DAF) engine. Recently, Cat had been losing share to the only surviving independent: Cummins.

[caddy59]

There's something I didn't hear about. So, this means that Cat will likely pull out of the On-Highway market all-together? I'd also like to know where you found this out. I would find it an interesting read. However, does this mean you can still get Det. Diesel and Cummins products in PACCAR trucks?

[stayingman]

Correct, Cat will leave on highway, except "severeduty" applications. Cat will continue to support cat engines now on the road and will provide after the sale support including warranty without change for new Cat engines caught in dealers stock.

In 2010 Cat n partner Navistar plan release of a co designed severe duty dump truck the two companies can market to the world. This word has been around a while as rumor but officially announced last month. Cat will have press releases.

[stayingman]

Cummins: yes

Detroit Diesel: NO

Daimler, owner of Freightliner, Sterling & Western Star also owns 100% of Detroit Diesel. All non Daimler truck manufactures stopped using DD with the Oct 2002 EPA (exhaust gas recirculation: EGR)implementation. Daimler bought Detroit Diesel a few months earlier - I heard at the time that some at DD thought Paccar and the rest would stay on board ;) right. :)

[caddy59]

and this has to do with ontario lengths laws, how?

[trucks105]

no it is has to do with the european ones tey are way better

[caddy59]

A. That's an opinon, I'm not debating based on opinons.

B. I'm also not turning a discussion about Canada's length laws into another Euro V. USA debate. There's tons of them out there, and I'm not starting another.

C. I'm not going to fuck myself over the opinon that a DAF is better then a Kenworth.

Oh, and by the way, DAF and Kenworth (along with Peterbilt) are both owned by the same parent company.

[trucks105]

yes but one thing DAF is diffrent rom canada and the company is called paccar and they when to get her becuase it is alone story and DAF is all read 80 year and your trucks can take more tons the americans or canada. and DAF is way better the trucks has the most cleanist engine in europe and can dilliver 510 to 600 hp

[Flokmeister]

Well the mileage is the only good thing about DAF's.. they're really uncomfortable, poorly built, a lot of road noise, so bad insulation, EVERYTHING is plastic, and i mean EVERYTHING.. and not the 'good' kind of plastic, i mean the kind of plastic china rejects for making kid toys.. If you go with an european truck, take a MAN(they use DAF engines but the rest if VW) or a Volvo!

[trucks105]

u are wrong about everything. daf is one of the best trucks building companys in europe. and Daf makes his own engines with Paccar ( peterbilt/kanworth). Daf also is really comfterble to rideing/stay. and it is not made in China it is made in the Netherlands

[Flokmeister]

Well.. i know its Dutch, because i AM Dutch!!! I've driven just about all of them built after '92 and they're all crap..

I never said it was made in china, i said that the whole interiour was made with plastics rejected from China..

if you want a good/comfortable truck go with a Volvo, or if you like hard matrasses go with an MAN for a much nicer interiour..

[trucks105]

Volvo is also a very good truck but my favorite trucks in Daf. everybody has there own choose o trucks/whatever

[Flokmeister]

Well let me know if you have ever driven a european DAF.. You'll come around.. :P

[trucks105]

i have drove in a Daf when i was 12 with my dad. it was a good time :P

[caddy59]

i wish trucks like that were legal in canada.

[stayingman]

I agree, the 244" wheelbase requirement is a tough constraint. I am not positive but I think that length limit applies only to your western provinces? I was told that the laws purpose has to do with twisting mountainous roads?

[caddy59]

(speaking from Ontario, not sure about other provinces). There is an overall length limit in Ontario of 74 feet for a standard trailer, and 82 feet for a double (A or B double). Meaning that, with a 53' trailer, accounting for 4 feet of clearance between the cab and trailer, you only have 17 feet to fill up. That includes the hood, cab and bunk. Taking the average of 120" BBC, that leaves you with only 84" to fill up.

[caddy59]

I believe a similar thing applies in the western provinces, however, they are allowed to pull larger trailers (two full length, or three pups.) Althoug, I have never seen larger trucks out there, just standard factory specs. The only thing one could get away with putting a full-size bunk like in the video on is a moving truck because their trailers rarely exceed 48', leaving you with 144 inches to play with. This is why I like cabovers. More room for a larger bunk.

[stayingman]

The cabover market is pretty much dead in North America. Apparently this is due to the loosening up of length laws in the US. The demand dropped to nearly nothing, and most of the manufactures stopped making them. It costs more to make a cabover than a conventional cab because everything that leads into the cab needs to be able to tilt or bend as the cab is raised to work on the engine. As a former mechanic, I can say the cabover was easier to work on! Particularly after the cab is tilted.

[Matthew3777]

they arn't legal?????

Why?

[caddy59]

they are too long. to pull a 53 foot trailer, you need a bunk no longer then 84", and wheelbase no longer then 244", or 250" with a SBA. the only way to have a bunk that long is to pull trailers 48 feet or less in length.

[Matthew3777]

Right on, thanks, But is 132"'s going to matter that much to a 53 foot trailer.?

[caddy59]

yes. simply because that would require stretching the wheelbase, and they notice when your truck is too long. yes, appearently, 50" is the difference between safety and being a menace, according to transport canada.

[Matthew3777]

ahhhh, Thanks man! i see now, I appreciate it thanks again! =D

[gooddriver22]

So after spending 200k would most guys replace the engine after 1000000+miles when it dies or buy a new truck?

Awsome sleeper and awsome truck

[stayingman]

It depends, my observation: if the individual orders the truck to his or her "spec", they tend to keep it a long time. If they buy a stock truck off the lot... they tend to trade within a few years. I have a few old customers still in their special ordered trucks 15 years later.

[gooddriver22]

ok

thanks

[gooddriver22]

I just watched a video on there site about the toilet and shower. When you put the chemicals in the tank for the toilet waste do you just dump it on the side of the road or have to go to a dumping place for RV's?

[stayingman]

No no :)

The people who can afford to own this type of equipment... in order to pay for their equipment -they cater to earning a reputation as VERY RESPONSIBLE individuals. They earn their pay by taking charge of million dollar pieces of art, MRI machines, your grandmas dishes, a classic car or a jet engine... something precious or nearly so to somebody. For the most part, they wouldn't be caught dead dumping on the roadside.

Most major truck stops have facilities.

[gooddriver22]

Ok

So do they just wheel the toilet unit waste in and dump it?

BTW I love these sleeper berths exspecial this one.

[stayingman]

The waste container is a well thought out design (openings have strong reliable seals & operation) a sealed canister made of heavy duty plastic... it is about the size and weight of a modestly sized briefcase. It is carried like a suitcase. Beyond removing and inserting a new cartrige as a demo... I have never personally emptied one but the process looks to be easy, clean and sanitary. But, I don't want to claim any expertice on the subject.

[gooddriver22]

Ok thanks for your help

When you say they haul prestiege cargo couldnt ordinary OTR that OP and our on the road most of the time do this to?

[stayingman]

I don't know if anyone knows how many types of trucking there is out there... maybe hundreds or thousands. All the drivers are required to have a CDL licence and most will be hauling or moving something in or on their truck that belongs to someone else. Beyond that, much of trucking is as different as an apple to an acorn. Positioning and experience guides some truck owners into more lucrative areas of trucking than others.

[jmagic32971]

no ive talked to some with big sleepers and they pull into where the rvs dump station and dump there .sometimes they has to pay a fee of a couple of bucks and they dump their tanks there

[hugeSLIPKNOTfan1]

but it you would get kind of tired of it

[jmagic32971]

well im a x-trucker and i may get tired of driving ,so since i like being around diesels im going to school to work on them .but ill never get tired of big trucks .hopefully i can invent a engine of 1000 hp that can get better than 6.0 mpg..lol

[AirborneRooster]

AWESOME KW!

[stayingman]

no, i sell kw trucks with custom sleepers- have for the past 20 some years. the t660 is hot now because of the fuel costs increases. the truck is more a home away from home than a home.

[lilbrudder32]

more of a home than a tiny sleeper berth and an occasional fleabag motel... lol

[stayingman]

yes - each year more truckers are discovering that they can pretty much live in style while on the road and actually save money. when owned for more than 3 years, the relative depreciation per year has been much less than other trucks. meanwhile, the owner can and most often does experiance a wide range of savings and life style improvements. that said, these trucks are not for the weight sensitive or the extreemly high mile application unless great care has been taken in the specs. ld

[lilbrudder32]

These are nice sleepers. I've seen several floorplans, and I really like their layout. What I'm not sure of is your statement about high miles. Do you mean the sleeper won't hold up to the lifespan of the truck? What's the weight difference on this truck vs. say a T2000 with a nice size sleeper? Do you know if it's possible to register a rig like this as a motorhome? I've seen some LWB straight trucks converted to motorhome.

[lilbrudder32]

BTW- I'm not trying to say anything negative about the craftsmanship... that's an AWESOME sleeper. Just confused by what you mean, if not high MPG, which after thinking about this a while, I figure maybe you mean MPG. Enjoying your website. Nice work!

[stayingman]

the problem with super high miles per year is that it does reduce the trucks resale value. on the flip side - high miles should mean pulling in a LOT of money - in that cse, the trick is to pay the truck down as quickly as possible.

[lilbrudder32]

oh right, I got ya now. Yeah, I could see how it would be a problem to pay the note on a truck like this if you're not getting enough miles each week... How much does a truck like this typically sell for (new or with a 100-200k on the clock?) Also, what's the shortest WB truck you can put a sleeper like this on?

[stayingman]

new often run $190k-210 and rarely - as high as $300,000+ useful life tends to be over a million miles. when available a 190,000 mile year and a half or so tractor that cost $230,000 might sell for $170,000 or so off a dealers lot. Subsiquent years tend to fall of more gradually, but values are always relative and subject to market condition. I think this truck is at 291" - shortest? that really depends on the specific trailer & job application.

[s172mch]

do you own this?

this is for the o/o that want to live in there truck correct?

not a fan of the 660