[Channel 4 News] Kenyan violence grows 2008.01.17

[SLOWDEE]

kibaki don't care bout them people

they dien couse him

[razr3g]

Nothing much will even even if Raila takes over power

[wachaushenzi]

it is common knowledge that these power wielders A.K.A "Hummer" & "papahapa" and cronies,care not about what they term "the ordinary kenyan",but about the perks and unfair advantages that amount from it. We know y'all are/were bussiness partners/cronies/mafia, with questionable portfolio records...so please save us(your employers)from your personal squabbles, the pain,and boyish jostling.

[wachaushenzi]

may the curse befall on kibaki and raila and their gangs!

[tabunusunusu]

where are the 'haves'they are watching behind their big houses.its only the poor who have nothing 'idlers' wakanapayukayuak

[emboko]

he is speaking as a kenyan ,why are you so tribal inclined? by the way are those policemen kenyans who want change or they are simply puppets who wont even have a decent pay after killing protesters who are advocating for a better kenya .the police should be the first people to protest since they are under paid.

[aposhe83]

...indeed we are screwed. they are to protect us but now they are killing us. they are shoving the guns into your throats so we dont speak and point out their hypocricy...and in all these we are to have dialogue. THEY ARE KILLING US! THEY ARE OUT TO FINISH US.

[Fantalbo]

Who are "we"?? are you speaking as a Luo or a Kenyan??

[lonnjohan]

There is no need to be Luo to protest this turmoil, in which Kenyan police is shooting live bullets through the bodies of Kenyans who demonstrate for just proceedings. There must be a recount - why is Kibaki so so adamantly denying Kenyans that?

[Fantalbo]

Truth is that Kibaki stole the votes!!! Thats the truth and you cant argue about that. But this part of killing Kikuyus like they are the ones who stole is Bulshit!! Raila is a human being. a human being can make mistakes. Does that mean that should Raila ever make a mistake all luos should be Killed???....Answer me Lonnjohan. Answer me!

[Fantalbo]

A recount is bulshit....coz they have finnished altering all papers. A rerun is also bulshit coz Kibaki will argue that his supporters have been ejected and displaced so a rerun would just be a sheer victory. But what goes round comes rounder. Before that 1994 Rwanda Genocide. Ask yourself...why they had so much anger. What had happenned in 1959???.....what goes round comes round. Do you read me?

[lonnjohan]

Yes I agree, Fantalbo, a rerun is probably pointless in an environment where no kikuyo or any kibaki sympathizer would dare vote. I never said Kibaky didn't steal votes, you might have misunderstood me there. The EU observers said though, that there were stark irregularities in the election, but you know they also said those irregularities went both ways.

[lonnjohan]

You imply that i think Kikuyos were rightfully killed - that is untrue. I do argue that western Kenya has been neglected for a long time, and their anger is understandable since this election and raila was perceived as a gate to a better future.Like you said; what goes round comes round. Now Raila can't back down even if he wanted to, or he'd be the first to hang. Demonstrations should've been allowed to in peaceful forms, the police had better business securing the situation in unsafe areas.

[lonnjohan]

You imply that i think Kikuyos were rightfully killed - that is untrue. I do argue that western Kenya has been neglected for a long time, and their anger is understandable since this election and raila was perceived as a gate to a better future.Like you said; what goes round comes round. Now Raila can't back down even if he wanted to, or he'd be the first to hang. Demonstrations should've been allowed to in peaceful forms, the police had better business securing the situation in unsafe areas.

[Fantalbo]

i understand you completely. Infact i think that you are a level headed Kenyan i presume. Raila also has a reputation to guard yet at the sametime Kibaki feels that backing down will have put all his supporters at a low....a betrayal. So i think its important that they soften up....and work on the constitution to prevent future mistakes. Had they ammended it before the elections nothing like this would have happened. Forget the referendum!!

[Fantalbo]

i am with you. you are honest.

i also think that its time that the electoral commision of Kenya invested in technological aspects to tally the votes and count the votes such that by all means in future, results are announced within 24 hours.