IBn-AL HAITAM is ashamed of Muslims lately. Muslims have not given to civilization recently in terms of inventions, universities, ideas. WAKE UP Muslims study acheive something. All muslims know is get a degree and go to western countries make money, babies and house for themselves and then blame our countries, WHo is to blame. People conspire against muslims because they have brains to conspire !!!!!
AlHazens importance as suggested from the Western scientists was that he was the first to follow a scientific methodology to claim and proof practical ideas or at least he was the first to record such a methodology.
it is true that the Arabs are at the bottom of the world in almost every aspect of this modern life but these revolutions are on the right path. Let's wait and see
I dont want to detract from the achievements of Al Hasan ibn Al Haitham, especially his invention of the modern scientific method but we should also mention that his work was based on older scientific works and he himself admitted studying the works of Euclid and Archimedes. Scientific advances are never made by one culture alone but are made by adding to work previously done by other scientists.
Exactly! That's why science in a particular area of the world goes into decline 1. During times of religious repression of people who "think outside of the box" (i.e religious and social persecution) 2. Times of war, invasions, raids, etc. (people are focused on survival)
On the other hand; scientific knowledge is shared and expands when there are good routes of transport, communication, etc. That's why science has had a quantum leap forward since the early 20th century
@greeny202a That is an excellent point. Scientific advancements cannot be referred to a single culture since every culture borrows from the preceding ones. The Egyptians borrowed from the Sumerians and the Greeks borrowed from the Egyptians, the Arabs borrowed from the Greeks and Indians and the Europeans borrowed from the Arabs. Then maybe the Chinese will borrow from the Europeans lol.
@Baraggal LOL yes maybe the chinese will build on what we have achieved just like the Americans did but ill tell you one thing you wont find us moaning about how we used to have it all the time like the muslims are still doing after 500 years.
@greeny202a Any culture that has no to minimal contribution to the world's scientific and sociological advancement with a history that is worth discussing will brag about what was the situation when his/her/it's culture dominated the world. I would suggest to argue with a modern assyrian or a secularist persian... you would rather kill yourself since he/she/it will spend a considerable amount of time arguing about the greatness of his ancestors.
~Islam pigeonholes its followers to mistrust everyone, which explains why hatred is not reserved for the kafir. The Quran provides such proof; history provides it; current events provide it too; & the likely response to this post provides proof! Wake up & follow the Living God, Jesus.
Ask Jesus to reveal His glory. Doubting Thomas received his proof. Allāh al-ʼAb ( الله الأب) will give you yours! Afterwards, ask Jesus into your heart & He will come in & give you lasting peace from above!
@johndeweb Why can doubting Thomas have proof and we can't? Simple, it's because all religions are based on mythology.
As for ibn-al haytham, his scientific success wasn't because he was muslim. It's not that if Islam wasn't there, he wouldn't have come to the same conclusions in science.
The only way to justify such a claim, that is, that Islam had influence on his scientific thinking, is by showing the Quran gave him scientific insight. Which of course never happened.
@nouman435 Every religion is based on lies. Tell me, how much have you read of the Quran (including Tafseer)? How much have you read of the Hadith (Bukhari, Muslim, ...)? Have you ever read Sira Rasulallah? Don't think that Islam critics know nothing of Islam. Chances are I know your religion better than you do. If not, prove me wrong by showing your knowledge. I await your reply.
Al Hasan ibn Al Haitham was an Iraqi Muslim scientist. Iraqis have always been a successful nation sociologically and scientifically. One can go through their history starting with the Sumerians, going through the Islamic civilization and even in Saddam Hussein's era.
@greeny202a On the contrary. Baghdad, Basra and many other cities were the centre of the Islamic civilization. many scientists in the history of Uruk were from the Islamic era. Please don't be such an ignorant person and try to read about the scientists and scientific based institutions that were in Baghdad, read the literature that these people were writing, it used to be wonderful.
@greeny202a Reading Ibn Khladoun's introduction would reveal philosophically that civilizations have a starting and ending points and the Islamic civilization is obviously over. Some still claim that they are following the Islamic methodology in life but they have 0 results.
@Baraggal What??? Yes Iraq has always been a centre for scientific learning until of course the muslims took control of it and banned reading of any book other than the quran, destroyed all the observatories built by the zoroastrians and banned mathematics calling it "from the devil"
@greeny202a Where was the center of scientific research, education and publication in the Middle Ages ? What was the predominant religious practice in Iraq at the time ? Why do most of the Iraqi scientists who contributed to the human civilization were Muslims and lived in the Middle ages ? What were the religious views of Ibn Al-Haitham, Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi, Yaʻqūb ibn Isḥāq al-Kindī and when did they live ? Don't be ignorant and read about the subject before discussing it.
@Baraggal What you say is true there were muslim scientists between 1000 and 1200 AD doing work in Baghdad but all the science done there was not done by muslims! The majority of Persians in that area at the time were Zoroastrians. Its just another example of muslims claiming something! besides 90% of the discoveries made at that time were following on from earlier Greek and Roman work. Do some research before joining the islamist propaganda machine and make yourself look uneducated.
@greeny202a Please provide me with some trustworthy reviewed references as I tried to look for "Persian Zoroastrian" scientific contributions in the Middle ages and couldn't find any. Most of the influential Persian scientists were Muslims as far as I know. In addition, I could not help but notice that people who acknowledge the contributions of the Islamic civilization were mostly westerners and modern Muslims just brag about it.
@Baraggal NO!!!! The west acknowledges the contributions of the ARAB civilization not the muslim one and are you seriously trying to tell me that when the muslim caliphate conquered Persia they were all muslim!!!!!!! Dont be silly the Persian Zoroastrian civilization had been there for a thousand years before the muslims showed up. Stop trying to steal middle eastern history just for the muslims!!!!!!
@Baraggal I have found a pretty decent video series on youtube describing Persian science before and during the muslim occupations before of course islam destroyed science in the middle east. Try -
@greeny202a Real Arabs are mongrels and desert dwellers, before Islam they had nothing but their barbaric culture.
Thanks for your effort to link me to a trustworthy reviewed reference; however, I highly doubt that your reference is even close to be trusted and used in referencing. I think my argument still holds in this discussion until you provide me with names of pre-Islamic Persian scientists that compete with AlKhawarizmi or Ghiyāth al-Dīn Jamshīd Masʾūd al-Kāshī.
@Baraggal You will find the video series I sent a link to was made by an arab so it will not be as biased as you would like. You know as well as I do the Persian civilization has been making scientific breakthroughs for about 8000 years yet the muslims would have us believe that its all down to a bunch of arab bandits from Saudi Arabia! 12,000 years of semetic culture and Islam has only been here for 1400 years and look at the mess it has made of the middle east!
@Baraggal Well perhaps I can agree with you about the semetic part, I was actually just using the term to group all the middle eastern cultures together for sake of argument. But my point still remains there were great cultures and civilizations thousands upon thousands of years before the warring tribes came conquering out of Arabia!
@Baraggal (2) You seem to be one of those people who have been brainwashed into thinking there was no culture in the middle east before Islam! try these 2 videos you may learn something -
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You will find that the first civilization on earth arose in what is now modern day iraq about 8,000 years ago with walled cities and a writing system.
Since the region Iraq was the home of the earliest civilizations by brilliantly inventive pioneers of urban living, why is it hard to accept that it was also home to a scientist of such caliber as Ibn-Haytham?
Im an Iranian myself. But I just say he was an "Iraqi", until I see some evidence (ancient documents, manuscripts, biography etc) which can confirm that he was a Persian, or from Iranian ancestry.
This is a bad logic. I mean, if Al-Heitham was a Persian simply because Basra was governed by Sassanians before Arabs, then could he not be an Arab because Arabs occupied that region after the Sassanians? Or, could he not be a native (like Assyrian, or a Chaldaean or Babylonian) who occupied the plains of southern Mesopotamia thousands of years before Persians and Arabs?
IMO, the term Arab is not altogether accurate. There is a diverse range of races who have been Arabized. When we say Al-Heitham was an Arab, it does not mean his ancestry traces back to Bedouin tribes of Arabia! It simply means he was an Arab speaker; his ancestors were most likely Iraqs native people who had been Arabized.
At the moment, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest he was Persian.
He was from Iraq to us as Muslims we do not different others because of their race or even their nationality or language. Undrestand that Muslims are all kinds.
Frankly, there is no shroud of evidence that Al-Haytham was a Persian, or of Persian ancestry. He was an Iraqi; there were different people in the region at time. Like indigenous Mesopotamians of Iraq (Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians in southern Mesopotamia), Arabs who settled there after the Islamic conquests. And other races too (like Persians) due to the Byzantine-Roman and Sassanian Persian empires rules.
There were people living in the Fertile Crescent LONG time before the Aryans came to dominate the Iranian plateau! Those people were not Arabs, of course. Here were invented and developed irrigation, the wheel, mathematics, astronomy, clock, alphabet and writing. Scripture and religion was also of their most enduring legacy to humankind. It was the cradle of Western civilization. Yet Iranians insist that every genius from that area must be of Persian ancestry.
I think Iraqi is the most acurate term to describe Al-Haytham. I know that country Iraq didnt exist at the time, but... Gauss is called a German although he was born in what was then Holy Roman Empire.
One or two books say he was 'Persian', most likely because his birthplace was under Persian occupation, at the time of his birth. This doesn't say much about his ethnicity. Seriously, by this logic Pythagoras must also have been a Persian! Similarly Jamshid al-Kashi is automatically considered a Mongol!
Thanks for your informative posts, which should put some sense into all these bigoted racists trying to claim every great Iraqi as a Persian. Long before Persians occupied the region, Iraq was inhabited by Semitic peoples like the Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Chaldeans. Most of these people eventually adopted the Arabic language and become known as "Arabs". However, the racists here completely ignore this fact and instead try to claim Iraqis as Arabized Persians!
@Jagged, Iraq was & even after defeat of Arabs, Turks Iraq was again part of Iran, you ignorant child. Iraq was part of Iran since Achamenian period. We defeated Babylonians retard 2565 years ago, how stupid are you. Iraq as Iran was forced to speak Arabic, how stupid are you truly. No one adopted Arabic, it was forced, or you were killed as they did the town of Khwarizm where Khwarizmi was born, they killed nearly the entire population for not writing in Arabic. Iraqi were Iranian not Persian.
First you hate Arabs, then Turks, and now Babylonians? It was the Babylonians who produced the most advanced sciences and literature before and during the Persian Empire. Long after the Persian conquest, the Babylonians continued to produce sciences for centuries through to the Sassanid period. Persians inherited much of their knowledge from the Babylonians. Until the Arab conquest, the majority of Iraq's population was Babylonian/Chaldean, while Iranians were a minority.
Just watch teh video and learn without arguing your stupid racial supremacist theories you MORON! ... Ironic thing is all these racial supremacists are usually the worst lot from their respective races and have really made no contribution to science or technology because of their preoccupation with racist ideology -- and possible inbred stupidity too.
Crunch, This bullshit video is to promot Islam, using nations invaded by barbarian Arabs that had no education or system of proper writing or mathematics that claim they gave so much that did not belong to them or theirs to begin with.
@Crunchybear, It is the fact you ignorant peasant Arabs want to force people that you invaded with knowledge, education, civilization & place them under Islam or Muslim so you can advance your ignorant, pathetic, backward cult.
Alhazen was probably Persian Basra was a Persian city conquered by the Arab Muslims
By the mid 600s the Arabs had control of the area; although the Persians (among others) frequently rebelled. (People don't like being ruled by outsiders) Even in this day and age Persian Iranians consider Arab Iranians to not be "real" Persians --Go figure?
The sciences were well developed in the Persian Empire, which had contact with India and China; long before the Muslims arrived
Arabic numerals actually came from India to Persia. They numbers were called "Arabic" because that's where the West discovered them.
The Persian empire was in decline (militarly) by the time the Muslims arrived on the scene Probably the main reason was the constant wars with the Byzantines over areas that both considered strategic.
Arabic numerals actually came from India to Persia. They numbers were called "Arabic" because that's where the West discovered them.
No, there is no evidence at all that Ibn al-Haytham was a Persian. The only thing "Persian" about him was that his birthplace Basra was under Persian rule at the time.
Basra has always been a largely Arab city that was originally founded by Arab settlers in the 7th century. All biographies of him only have his name written in Arabic, with not a single one providing any Persian name, nor do any of his biographies even remotely suggest he had any connections to Persia.
Think about it. Ibn al-Haytham travelled all across the Arab World in his lifetime, but never once visited Persia all his life. The only part of the Persian Empire he ever visited was his birthplace Basra, a largely Arab city that happened to be under Persian rule at the time. All evidence points to Ibn al-Haytham being an Iraqi Arab, not a Persian.
It seems obvious to me that some Iranians/Persians here suffer from a serious dose of anti-Arab prejudice, even though this video has nothing to do with Arabs in the first place!
If some of you Persians/Iranians hate Arabs so much, then why are you trying so desperately to claim an Iraqi Arab scientist as your own when there is no evidence at all to even suggest he was a "Persian"?
There is no evidence that he was an arab either!! That he wrtoe in arabic is not a good excuse! In that time poeple were forced to write their literature in ararbic! A lot of other Persians wrote their literature in arabic and they were persian (proofs enough!). st be sure that basra in that time was not the basra you see today! Basta was for centuries part of Persia and with arabs invading Persia to force us into islam they took a part of south west Iran.
Basra was founded in 636 by settling Arabian tribes, not by Persians. The only time Basra was ever under Persian control in its entire history was from 945 to 1055, which just so happens to coincide with the time of Ibn al-Haytham. You think that makes him a Persian just because of this one coincidence?
If Ibn al-Haytham was a Persian, then his biographies would have mentioned his Persian descent, just like all the biographies of many other great Persians who were born in Baghdad. His biographies never mentioned his Persian name, nor is there is any evidence he ever even knew how to speak Persian, and nor did he ever mention anything about Persia in any of his writings. Unless you are suggesting Alhazen was in denial of his Persian heritage? Which is highly unlikely.
Bottom line: Ibn al-Haytham identified himself first and foremost as a Muslim, and then a Basri of Iraq. His race or ethnicity is completely irrelevant. Who cares if he was Arab, Persian, Indian, Chinese, or whatever?
"islamic golden age" wouldnt even exist withour arabs envading Persia!
BTW, i'm not going into a discussion and hereby i let u know that it was my last reaction, since some "people" are impossible to convince and they want to live in denial. I'm just happy that my beuatiful country Iran kept its own culture and language and we proudly can say that we are Iranians and not arabs.
Of course Persians played a significant role in the "Islamic Golden Age", but they were not the only ones. Many other ethnicities also played a major role, including Arabs, Berbers, Moors, Turks, Indians, and others.
And some people need to stop associating Islam with "Arabs". In fact, Arabs were the very first enemies of Islam in the beginning. Hell, "Arab" is not even an actual ethnicity to begin with, but just an identity for those who speak Arabic as a first language.
My only problem with some Persians, especially those who grew up in the West, is that some of them hate Islam just because it was introduced by "Arabs" and at the same time they would love to convince themselves that they are descendents of "Aryans" who invaded from Northern Europe, almost like what the Nazis believed.
seanamico is a prime example of this. He is in complete denial of the fact that almost all of the greatest Persian scientists and philosophers were Muslims, not Zoroastrians, and they identified themselves as as Muslims first and foremost before they identified themselves as Persians. Islam is a huge part of Persian history (the Islamic Golden Age was also the Golden Age of Persia in fact) and yet some Persians like seanamico want to completely deny it ever happened!
No, I am not an Arab at all. But I am anti-racist, so there's no reason why I should tolerate racists like seanamico at all.
I'm just the kind of guy who will defend any ethnic group being discriminated against, whether its Arabs, Persians, Chinese, Indians, Whites, Blacks, etc.
We are Aryans. Aryan is our race. I dont care if you are against Persian are proud that they are not the same arabs.
BTW all the seince, architecture, art, medicine and any form of civilization were from Perisan during "islamic golden age" . And i dont think Iranians Iran differ alot from Iranians outside Iran.
If you deny that, there is no panic ;) since your argument would be more valid if the arabs didnt invade our beuatiful country Iran. This was my last post for u! It is time wasting!
Yes, I know that Iranians and Northern Indians were the original "Aryans", so I don't see a problem if they want to refer to themselves as "Aryans". However, I have seen a few Iranians claiming that their ancestors were white Nordic invaders from Northern Europe! That's the kind of Nazi-level extremes I was talking about.
Turks and mongols came far more later into the region. So what you are saying is completey untreu!! And nothern and western part of india was pasrt of persia!! They sare known as Parsi's and their race islo like us: Aryans!
Turks made contributions towards the end of the Islamic Golden Age, and there were even some Turkic contributors during the early Islamic Golden Age.
Also, it was only western Pakistan that was part of Persia, not northern/western India. As for the Parsis, they are descended from Persian migrants to India.
@Jagged, You just cant stick to one subject can you, you cannot defend or argue any point so you jump around. Pakistan was part of India & large part of Pakistan was part of Iran, you ignorant FOOL.
No, only the western part of Pakistan (i.e. west of the Indus River) was part of Persia, while the eastern part (i.e. east of the Indus River) was part of India.
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@Jagged85, Turks of Turkey are not Turks, they were invaded. The people living in Turkey are mix of Greek, Roman, Persian, Armenians that were invaded by Turkish barbarians brought by Arabs that were no different from them & ended up being ruled by Turks eventually for 700 years with the same brutality they brought to the world.
You think you know, but you dont know much do you.
What does any of this have to do with what I said? Ibn Turk was a Turk from Central Asia, not Turkey. Besides, "Turks" and "Arabs" are not real ethnicities, but merely identities for those who speak Turkic or Arabic languages as their first language. Much like Arabs have multiple origins (Bedouin, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Nubian, Phoenician, etc.), Turks also have multiple origins (Mongol, Iranian, Greek, Armenian, etc.). You still have much to learn about the Turks and Arabs.
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You would not understand it that is your lack of knowledge & education. Turks & Arabs are identities of those who were forced to speak these ignorant & retarded languages, Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Algerians, Moroccans & many others had there own language & Arabic was not the first, such bullshit from a hypocrit. Mesopotamian, Egyptian & the rest are not Arab, ask the educated people of these nations & they will tell you off. Mongols have never been Iranian. I know far more than you.
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Jagge, Morons like you always want to mix others with your filthy cult & race so you can prove you are better, your arrogance & ignorance here is proof. Iranians forced to take Arab names, Arab language & religion but it did not last did it you peasant, they fucked you out with all your disgusting ways as we did Turkish animal that tore you a knew asshole & ran your ass for 700 years. Ignorant people may accept your Arab bullshit but not educated people, I know many that would spit in your face.
As I already said, I'm not an Arab or Turk, not even close. So why are you attacking me personally when I have nothing to do with these peoples? All I am doing is educating bigoted haters like you about peoples you know nothing about, other than what you've learnt from anti-Arab and anti-Turk propaganda sites. After telling you that Turks and Arabs are not real ethnicities, all you're now doing is paraphrasing what I've told you like a parrot. Think with your own brain for once.
@Jagge, You mean you are not a MORON, but your post prove you are, you argue for them, you defend there actions, what am I to think of you then. You educate? I think you need to get educated first retard, if you had any education to speak of that is. Fuck you & all Arabs, including Turks. I dont go by anyone's propaganda MORON, I have stated facts & history of animals. I think for myself you ignorant child, have you ever had the ability to do so for yourself, I doubt it.
"all Arabs, including Turks"? You make it sound like they're the same, when in fact they are two completely different peoples, with hardly anything in common. The early Arabs originally came from Arabia, whereas the early Turks originally came from Mongolia. The differences between them are like night and day! This is what I mean about you being an uneducated bigot. Try learning history from published academic sources for once, instead of the hate sites you usually visit.
@Jagged, Arab is an ethnicity, as Turks are an ethnic people. Egyptians are not ethnic Arab, not now or ever, people living in today's Turkey are not ethnic Turks or Azeri but Turks from Asia are ethnic people called TURKS. Arabs from Saudi are ethnic Arabs are you out of your mind. People forced to speak Turkish & Arabic are not Turks or Arabs, it does not mean ethnic Arab & Turks does not exist. YOU ARE A FOOL.
Yet more idiocy. "Arab" is a linguistic identity, not an ethnic identity. An "Arab" identity never even existed until the rise of "Arab nationalism" in the 20th century. According to the widely accepted definition of "Arab", anyone who speaks Arabic as a first language is an "Arab", regardless of ethnic origins. As for Saudi Arabians, they are ethnically Bedouin.
The same goes for Turks. The original Turks were like Mongols, and yet most "Turks" today look nothing like Mongols.
@Jagged, Jackass, until Arab animals invaded no other nation, people were forced to speak Arabic or accept Arab bullshit, you are trying to prove some crap of yours that Arabs have tried to force on the world after invading & forcing nations to accept Arab culture, language & heritage. I dont need your Wiki bullshit or copy & paste you find online. I know who Arabs are & Turks, dont need your EDUMICATION retard. Turks mixed with Russians for generations thus they did not look like Mongols.
Where do you learn all your garbage from? Some random propaganda hate site? Or are you just pulling crap out of your own arse? And what the hell is an "EDUMICATION"? Go get an education, this time from published academic sources, instead of getting your information from random hate sites (or even worse, pulling it out of your own arse).
Your anger and hatred against 400 million "Arabs" is misguided. The Bedouins of Arabia that invaded your Persian homeland are today only a minority among modern "Arabs". If you were angry against Bedouins, I can understand, but what do you have against other Arabs? What did the Iraqis, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Moroccans, Algerians, etc. do to deserve your hatred?
@Jagged85 Unfortunately, this mutual hatred has been going on for a century. The reason for Iranian racism toward Arabs, is the Arab racism against Iranians, which has been rampant in the Arab media as well as their educational systems. I've seen Yemenis textbooks and Saudi cartoons that claim Iranian scholars like Avicenna or Khayyam were Arabs! And its not just in Arabia, you know what happened to Iranians (including Kurds) under Saddam regime...
True. Arabs and Iranians need to get over their hatred and racism against each other, and just learn to get along. Besides, it's not like most people outside of the Middle East can even tell the difference between them. It reminds me of the mutual hatred between Indians & Pakistanis, between Chinese & Japanese, etc., even though most people outside those regions wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Indians & Pakis or Chinese & Japanese.
@Jagged85 it's ture that there have always been a hate between arabs and persians, but this hatered was only once translated into wars between militries, between the arabs, persians and turks long centuries ago. and the reason was authorithy, not that it was a racial hate.
@Jagged, My dear educated retard just to educate your pathetic ass a bit before I am done with your stupidity. The site where Arabs call Basra is of an old Persian settlement called Vaheštābād Ardašīr, which was destroyed by the Arabs, The Arab army camped here & the name Basra still originates from the Persian word Bas-rāh or Bassorāh meaning "where many ways come together, it is not Arabic, as Arab morons have learned to take from our language & include in their language.
@ReedamBeIslam I agree that the people of ancient Fertile Crescent were not Arabs. They started to be Arabized (linguistically and racially) after the Arab conquests. Since 3000 BC, there were great civilizations in Mesopotomia and Egypt. Persians arrived on the scene only around 550 BC, when Babylon was at its zenith as the hub of the civilized world. Before the Aryans came to dominate the Iranian plateau, much of it was Assyrian settlements.
Reeeedam be Islam (cool username!), Iraqis were not Iranians, only a portion of them were. As an analogy, in present-day Iraq Kurds are an Iranian people. The rest of the population are not necessarily Iranians.
Jagged, Iraq already had a great city MORON called Baghdad, who gives a shit that they started a military camp? What does this have to do with Iran having Iraq which is a Iranian name retard and was part of Iran for over 1200 years. Again Basrah is a Persian word retard, Arabs having barley a proper language took from Parsi for thousand years, Arabic is full of Parsi, majority of it, just because they change the meaning & pronunciation it does not make it Arabic. Vahestabad existed already
Nice try at completely ignoring what I said about the Babylonians. Iranian empires may have ruled Iraq for nearly a thousand years, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Iraq's population was Babylonian/Chaldean for most of that time, through to the Sassanid period. Iranians were always a minority in Iraq. In fact, Iraq has always had a Semitic majority (Akkadian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Arab) and Iranian minority (Persian, Kurd) for the last 2500 years.
Jagged, Very difficult to get anything through your thick skull. In 40 years the Mexicans in US are going to out number white Americans, & Baghdad being a main city of Iran, ruled, run & managed by Iranians for 1200 years the majority were not Iranian? What kind of imbecile are you really. With a huge military presence, man access to Europe & to Africa, Iranians were minority, you are a fool, an ignorant MORON, Kurds are Iranian retard, one of three major Iranian tribes that moved during Ice age
First you claim Basra, and now you're claiming Baghdad too? You're stupidity is getting ridiculous now. The city of Baghdad was founded by Arabs, not Persians. Baghdad was founded by the Abbasid Caliphate in the 8th century.
@Jagged, I claim nothing, I told your ignorant ass that Iraq was part of Iran as the name is Pure Iranian. You started rambling about Basra & I corrected your ass again that it was a Iranian city & Arabs only built as an army camp to watch the Sassanid army after they invaded Iraq.
I have had enough of your copy & paste info. It is people like you that are EDUMICATED, an education is way too difficult for your kind, Edumicated people like you go online to cut & paste instead of learning.
@ReedamBeIslam And by the way, Arabs did not utilized Iraq as just a military camp. They settled there, and in many other places that they had captured, including the Khuzistan of Iran.
I mean, if you think Al-Heitham was Iranian solely because Iraq was a satrapy of the Persian empire and its administrative capital at some point, then by this logic he could very well be a descendant of the native inhabitants of Iraq, or even a descendant of the Arab settlers. Why necessarily an Iranian?
@ReedamBeIslam Sure, those names (Iraq/Arak or Baghdad) might be of Iranian origin. Iraq is simply a name chosen for the region by the Brits after it was severed from the Ottoman Empire in WW I. But there are also places in Iran whose names are of Semetic origin. For example, Tehran (capital of Iran) is of Assyrian origin. Esfahan is not of Iranian origin either. It derives from Espandana, a name from Elamo-Dravidian origin.
@ignatei, HAHAHA such bullshit. "Tehran" comes from the Persian words "Tah" meaning "end or bottom" and "Ran" meaning "mountain slope" literally, bottom of the mountain slope. Second possibility is "Tehran" is derived from Tiran/Tirgan, "The Abode of Tir" (Tir being the Zoroastrian Angel of Rain). The ancient Parthian town of Tiran was a neighbor to the town of Mehran ("The Abode of Mehr/Mithra", the Zoroastrian Angel of Water).
Where did you learn anything from? England, hahahahha
@ReedamBeIslam You correctly used the term "possibility", implying that these are speculations. Assyrians had settlements in what is now Tehran long before the Aryans. Even at the time of Aryans, we do know that the Assyrian empire raided deep into iran and set up settlements to combat the proto-Iranian arrivals (known also as "Aryans") with the Medes being the major Iranic power in iran at the time ...
The city is an old settlement in Assyrian the name means "the place where I shall return".
@ignatei, To correct you again Isfahan province (Persian
Persian language from Pahlavi time.: استان اصفهان (Ostān-e Esfahān); also transliterated as Esfahan, Espahan, Sepahan or Isphahan). "Espahan" comes from the Middle Pahlavi Persian name of the city Spahan, which means "the soldiers" making the meaning the "city of soldiers." Arab MORONS could not pronounce letter P, there is no "p" in Arabic, they changed "Spahan" & miss pronounce it as "Esfahan."
@ReedamBeIslam I've been to Esfahan myself. Actually, it was Espandana. There are restaurants, hotels, and even a street named Espandana in Esfahan. Espandana was a name with some Elamite roots, another Semitic folk who dominated much of Iran at the time. It was later rendered to Espahan. And you are correct that it got changed to Esfahan after the Arab invasion.
There are many places in Iran whose names are Elamite. Like: the city of Shush in Iran which was called Susa by Elamites.
@ReedamBeIslam What I meant was: prior to WWI, there has never been a country known as Iraq. Imperial Britain partitioned the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire into artificial borders. For one of these, they chose the name Iraq. The term itself has the same roots as Arak (a city in Iran), derived from Middle Persian meaning lowlands. But I am curious to know how this Iranian term can possibly be older than Mesopotamia. :-)
@ReedamBeIslam There were civilizations in the Near East (particularly region of Iraq) which predate Persian civilization for thousands of years. Let's call them the native inhabitants of Iraq, a Semetic people who were neither Arabs nor Iranians/Indo-Europeans.
Just to clarify, are you saying that because Iranians controlled Iraq, they outnumbered the natives? Even here, the burden of proof is on you.
As for Vahestabad, it was only a small settlement. It was the Arabs who actually founded the "city" of Basra.
As for Farsi, that language has itself been heavily influenced by Arabic over the last thousand years. Nearly 40% of modern Farsi vocabulary is derived from Arabic.
@Jagged, You just repeat what I said to make yourself look better, such an idiot. It is Parsi you ignorant child, not Farsi & our language was the most sophistocated language, language of siceince, mathematics, medicine, poetry, unlike a bunch of Arabs that barley had a system of writing, in fact we completed there pathetic grammar for them. Please save your bullshit. Arabs plagiarized our language, religion for 1200 years, nothing in Parsi but some Islamic bullshit is Arabic.
@Aerostudent, It is the Arab way to take credit for people & nations they invaded to hide their identity under Islam or Muslim, as they claim Islamic Empire or Muslim Empire to advance the stupidity & ignorance that existed in this cult.
@Aerostudent88 it's not about being an arab or not, it's about being a muslim and belonging to islam, besides.. you ahould know that islam is not related to arabs or anyother race.
@Crunchybear, You hide there identity under Islam, Muslim, this is how you people try to advance your backward cult. You hate Iranians and yet are always so ready & willing to take credit for what they achieved, there achievements go long before you Arabs invaded & forced Islam, during your cruelty, after you were handed your ass & sent back to hell of Arabia.
Islam is the light illuminating the world, with Allah swt Grace you might get guided right but scarcely there's any room for the arrogant or vainglorious!
mawn, Little man from Zimbabwe, are you losing it? Have you lost all sanity, are you desparate?
Civilizations come & go, cults like Islam come & go, they my last a while but it is all for a short time for this planet.
We all know when a slave has children, they are also slaves, nothing new.
Satanic faith like Islam is not the way to raise your children, I am sorry for your kids that will never have freedom or free will to know what life can be without a Satanic faith, girls have it worst
Pharaoh, the Egyptian Ruler was also a very proud man- claiming to be equal to the Creator- even HIS body was found at the bottom of the sea- how do you think he came to be where his body was found?
Was his body placed there after death? this is all revealed in the Noble Quran!
Do you have a history book in which this all is explained? guess NOT & you never will!
The Noble Quran CONFIRMS what was reveal before plus additional Scripture as a mercy to the WHOLE of humanity- not just for you or me, but for WHOLE of the mankind, preserved in its original form, til the Judgement Day!
mawnyz, We are all so aware of your noble Quran with its mercy, tell me what would you do to your child if they converted to another religion & left your cult?
Would you like to see what your merciful cult does to people that learn the truth about Islam & leave?
Get lost animal, you are not at my level to show one thing about Islam that has any toleration for humanity, any mercy or decency. You are an ignorant fool and as all pathetic people without a brain you start with threats of hell.
You weren't born without it but you manage to lose it, since every child that is born, is a Muslim at birth- your mind is filled with trash & that is corrupting your thinking- leading you to do most things bad- are you allowing yourself to become Satan's Agent who has avowed to be your eternal enemy in leading you astray?
Yes Mr. Africa, you should know paganism better than anyone or any nation. What can this child of god help you with. I cannot help you with paganism, that I leave to Muslims & Muhammad.
My thinking has given me & my family a great life, can you say that.
When I look for Satan, all I have to do is to find a Muslim & have him utter rubbish about Quran, the worlds biggest cult on this planet.
Satan has already screwed you & all that were forced into Islam, what can I do that would be worst to U
The separation of two types of water (salty sweet) flowing together yet apart, meaning, that they do NOT MIX! There's also explanation regarding the depth of sea water- how the waves work & at what depth the natural light does not reach! dont suppose you anything like this written & left by Zartosht to look at? I ought to show some empathy for your loss but don't believe he had it him to be able to come up with anything near as the Noble Quran!
Glad to know that you & your friend Zartosht have NO such historic evidence to know or show, how Pharaoh's body came to be, where it was found- yet this was revealed in the Noble Quran some fourteen- nay nearly fourteen & half centuries ago! That's really wonderful, what a Allah swt 's mercy, a miracle! but there are many more such miracles- take for example the formation of a fetus.
maw, Your ignorance & stupidity is beyond anyone I know, you are truly an ignorant child of Satan. What are you talking about you ignorant MORON. Persia ruled Egypt for hundreds of years, we did not know about Pharaohs? What the fuck are you talking about retard?
Islam has no miracle you ignorant moron, you make your own argument & decide you have won some bullshit argument you came up with? Are you in a hospital using a computer to post rubbish?
This confirms that Zartosht did NOT leave you with NO lasting evidence to prove that he was even alive- you see thats what happens when you mistakenly begin to worship the created things like fire,some similar things or people! if you knew about where Pharaoh's body was then why was it NOT DISCOVERED any earlier- why was it just recently found? This shows that you're lying! or was it purposely left at the bottom of the sea- but when it was spotted it suddenly was taken for display in a Museum
maw, Miracle or false manipulations is one of the basic foundations of various religions. The founders and traders of such religions try to impel the people to their creed by deceiving them through miracle, and intoxicate them to false pretensions. It is amazing that even educated people, who are erudite in various fields of science, easily negate their knowledge versus imposture of such people and fall prey to their charlatanry.
These peoples are so brain washed by religious traders that although they have tremendous achievements in various fields of science, they are enchanted by religious superstitions and follow baseless ideas.
Regarding the phenomenon of miracle in zoroastrianism, it should be mentioned that Arab invaders put unbearable pressure on zoroastrians to admit that Zarathustra has also performed miracle to label him a prophet and thereby undermine zoroastrianism.
Zartosht philosophical principles were so wise and strong that he did not need to claim the existence of miracles to manipulate his followers. The men of sagacity and knowledge, who are familiar with historical writings and the contents of Gatha, know that miracle does not have any place in Zoroastrianism.
Zoroaster the first prophet to teach a single god exist, first prophet to teach to protect all aspects that allow us to live on this planet & not to ontaminate them. Air, water, fire, earth.
maw, It is your ignorance & stupidity that you think Muhammad had any miracles, all he heard & thought makes sence he placed in Quran, plagiarization is the only thing he was good at & then he did not investigate anything properly.
All thoughts and words deeds of men shall bear fruit as laid down in Thine Eternal Law,
Evil to Evil blessing good-to-good-
Thus wisdom thus ordained till end of time. (Yasna 43.5)
Both parties, True and False, are put to test, Mazda, by blazing Fire Divine;
This Fiery Test lays bare their inmost Souls, as the award to each one indicates; Complete frustration shall the false One find, the blessing full the Truthful One shall reap.
mawnyz, I know scare tactics work with retards like yourself, it does not work with me.
Fire that your prophet learned about on judgment day is not for you to burn in it you ignorant Muslim, this is the problem when an ignorant Arab like Muhammad plagiarizes & has no clue what to make of it & makes up shit to scare people to accept his pagan faith.
Fire on judgment day is when you are cleansed & accepted in heaven, you I doubt you will ever qualify but not up to me. Fire is the wisdom of god.
You ignorant buffoon, Allah swt brought the Fire into existence from which He created the Jins-
You could be considered as the Jinn worshippers but thats another storyline!
Fire worshipping zoro!
You enjoy your fire Jacuzzi dip, from now till the Judgement Day & thereafter
What was it that was plagiarized by Prophet Mohammad- this accusation keeps cropping quite often & they all get given the same answer & they all shut up & Never come back any more!
mawnyz, BLAH! BLAH!, BLAH!. Thousands of years before your pagan Allah got modified. Zartosht, Abraham, Moses, Jesus were teaching about a real legitimate god, not god of pagans that was modified.
Yea you wish you could prove we worship fire, while you worship a man that is burried & kiss a rock which shows you are still pagan.
Dont talk about what you dont know child, judgment day is the day of fire, fire is wisdom of god, the world & hell will be cleansed by fire you ignorant Arab.
You see, only you think you're smart but in fact your knowledge about events is so limited - am asking myself why am I wasting my precious time talking to a person who knows not of whats being said- you are a person are you not?
Fire by virtue of its name means destruction NOT cleansing BUT DESTRUCTION!
ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT YOU LOT THAT SET THE PLACE ALIGHT EVERY WHERE, IN A MISTAKEN BELIEF OF CLEANSING THE WORLD?
mawnyz, You are an idiot. If not for fire, sun human beings would be in the dark you idiot. Fire cleanses, it kills bacteria, it lights up your night, it heats you when cold, sun feeds the plants & human beings, life grows because of it. You are a MORON, I have had enough of your stupidity.
Zartosht was far more brilliant man, scholar, poet, man of science & his techings far more relavant to todays man than your pathetic, retarded, greedy, ignorant Arab pedophile Muhammad may (pee be upon him)
When a person resorts 2 the kind of abusive language level that you have taken yourself 2, then it becomes quite clear that your mental limit has been reached & youve been mentally wrung dry. Zoro LOOK "He forbade the orgiastic rites that accompanied animal sacrifice, common in his time, but PRESRVED THE ANCIENT CULT OF FIRE WORSHIPPING" R YOU EVEN WORTH TALKING 2?
Read the rest of the Holy Quran, therein you shall find that The Noble Quran confirms what WAS revealed plus new Scripture!
mawnyz, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Noble Quran? Since when this man written crap book is noble? It is nobel to whom a bunch of animals that will not hesitate to kill, oppress & enslave any people or nation to shut them down & take any freedom of will they may have.
Save your ranting & raving you ignorant peasant, You are too ignorant to talk to, you are a slave, you have no thought of your own, just a pathetic book to post from.
I rather continue to wipe my ass with Quran, thank you.
mawnyz, You are such a child. All the basic foundation that you stole, you want in 500 characters or less? The Scriptures witness for God Creation Single god Adam & Eve Who gets grace from God? The atonement of sins and getting forgiveness. How are we saved? Good deeds Revenge Heaven & Hell Treatment of a woman Divorce This one is funny, Muhammad claiming to be a prophet like Jesus, Moses, Abraham. You really have to bee extreemly ignorant not to know this & I am not Christian.
You're NOT a christian? never said you were but more nearer to ashkenazi!
"basic foundation" what all is this relating to? make yourself understood- make it clear so everyone can understand what you're trying to say or has your intelligence forsaken you & feel abandoned by the Fire gods as well?
One thing you have failed to mention is what was it that was plagiarized- name something -anything.
"Whoever kills an innocent soul, it is as if he killed the whole of mankind'' (the interesting thing is that in the original Arabic, it is explicitly said that it is an Israelite commandment)
Talmud:
Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world
And We had already forbidden foster suckling mothers for him, until [his sister] said: Shall I show you a household who will rear him for you and take care of him?
Talmud:
The Holy One, Blessed is He, said: "Shall the mouth that will one day speak to me suckle from anything unclean?"
Need more little child, are you going to STFU or you still think you can out smart me.
Korah was one of Moses' people, but he betrayed them and oppressed them. We gave him so many treasures that the keys would certainly weigh down a company of men possessed of great strength
Talmud:
"The keys to Korah's treasure house was a load for 300 white mules and the keys and locks were leather."
Talmud tell the story of God raising a mountain over the Israelites as you see Muhammad the retard also plagiarized it.
Qur'an 7:171
"We raised the mountain over them as if it had been a canopy, and they thought that it was going to fall on them. (We said): "Hold firmly to what We have given you."
Talmud:
The Holy One, blessed is He, raised a mountain over Israel as though it were a dome. And He said to them: if you hold to the Torah all is well, but if not you will be buried here!
IBn-AL HAITAM is ashamed of Muslims lately. Muslims have not given to civilization recently in terms of inventions, universities, ideas. WAKE UP Muslims study acheive something. All muslims know is get a degree and go to western countries make money, babies and house for themselves and then blame our countries, WHo is to blame. People conspire against muslims because they have brains to conspire !!!!!
e21282 6 months ago
The first scientist my ass...lol
ToadsMGodes 9 months ago
AlHazens importance as suggested from the Western scientists was that he was the first to follow a scientific methodology to claim and proof practical ideas or at least he was the first to record such a methodology.
it is true that the Arabs are at the bottom of the world in almost every aspect of this modern life but these revolutions are on the right path. Let's wait and see
Baraggal 11 months ago
I dont want to detract from the achievements of Al Hasan ibn Al Haitham, especially his invention of the modern scientific method but we should also mention that his work was based on older scientific works and he himself admitted studying the works of Euclid and Archimedes. Scientific advances are never made by one culture alone but are made by adding to work previously done by other scientists.
greeny202a 1 year ago
@greeny202a
Exactly! That's why science in a particular area of the world goes into decline 1. During times of religious repression of people who "think outside of the box" (i.e religious and social persecution) 2. Times of war, invasions, raids, etc. (people are focused on survival)
On the other hand; scientific knowledge is shared and expands when there are good routes of transport, communication, etc. That's why science has had a quantum leap forward since the early 20th century
BoudiccaBlanc 11 months ago
@greeny202a That is an excellent point. Scientific advancements cannot be referred to a single culture since every culture borrows from the preceding ones. The Egyptians borrowed from the Sumerians and the Greeks borrowed from the Egyptians, the Arabs borrowed from the Greeks and Indians and the Europeans borrowed from the Arabs. Then maybe the Chinese will borrow from the Europeans lol.
Baraggal 11 months ago
@Baraggal LOL yes maybe the chinese will build on what we have achieved just like the Americans did but ill tell you one thing you wont find us moaning about how we used to have it all the time like the muslims are still doing after 500 years.
greeny202a 11 months ago
@greeny202a Any culture that has no to minimal contribution to the world's scientific and sociological advancement with a history that is worth discussing will brag about what was the situation when his/her/it's culture dominated the world. I would suggest to argue with a modern assyrian or a secularist persian... you would rather kill yourself since he/she/it will spend a considerable amount of time arguing about the greatness of his ancestors.
Baraggal 11 months ago
@Baraggal Maybe your right but when all you can talk about is the past thats when you know it is all over for you!
greeny202a 10 months ago
@greeny202a 'you wont find us moaning about how we used to have it all the time like the muslims are still doing after 500 years'
You (NON-Muslims) always fuckin moan..'we are more powerful and created everything blah blah blah' I never hear the end of it.
bugzy1231 7 months ago
@bugzy1231 We are allowed to at the moment because we are the top, but when its over for us like it was over for you 500 years ago we will shut up!
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a No you fuckin wont, the Non-Muslims will continue to steale lands and resources from other till the day of judgement.
bugzy1231 7 months ago
~Islam pigeonholes its followers to mistrust everyone, which explains why hatred is not reserved for the kafir. The Quran provides such proof; history provides it; current events provide it too; & the likely response to this post provides proof! Wake up & follow the Living God, Jesus.
Ask Jesus to reveal His glory. Doubting Thomas received his proof. Allāh al-ʼAb ( الله الأب) will give you yours! Afterwards, ask Jesus into your heart & He will come in & give you lasting peace from above!
johndeweb 1 year ago
@johndeweb Why can doubting Thomas have proof and we can't? Simple, it's because all religions are based on mythology.
As for ibn-al haytham, his scientific success wasn't because he was muslim. It's not that if Islam wasn't there, he wouldn't have come to the same conclusions in science.
The only way to justify such a claim, that is, that Islam had influence on his scientific thinking, is by showing the Quran gave him scientific insight. Which of course never happened.
robbegx 11 months ago
jealous you religion is nothing but based on lies.
nouman435 7 months ago
@nouman435 Every religion is based on lies. Tell me, how much have you read of the Quran (including Tafseer)? How much have you read of the Hadith (Bukhari, Muslim, ...)? Have you ever read Sira Rasulallah? Don't think that Islam critics know nothing of Islam. Chances are I know your religion better than you do. If not, prove me wrong by showing your knowledge. I await your reply.
robbegx 7 months ago
Al Hasan ibn Al Haitham was an Iraqi Muslim scientist. Iraqis have always been a successful nation sociologically and scientifically. One can go through their history starting with the Sumerians, going through the Islamic civilization and even in Saddam Hussein's era.
Baraggal 1 year ago 8
@Baraggal Yes true and just think how much more they could have given the world if they had not been infected with the disease of islam!
greeny202a 11 months ago
@greeny202a On the contrary. Baghdad, Basra and many other cities were the centre of the Islamic civilization. many scientists in the history of Uruk were from the Islamic era. Please don't be such an ignorant person and try to read about the scientists and scientific based institutions that were in Baghdad, read the literature that these people were writing, it used to be wonderful.
Baraggal 11 months ago
@Baraggal Yes im sure looking at all the islamic countries today makes you very proud!!!
greeny202a 11 months ago
@greeny202a Reading Ibn Khladoun's introduction would reveal philosophically that civilizations have a starting and ending points and the Islamic civilization is obviously over. Some still claim that they are following the Islamic methodology in life but they have 0 results.
Baraggal 11 months ago
@Baraggal What??? Yes Iraq has always been a centre for scientific learning until of course the muslims took control of it and banned reading of any book other than the quran, destroyed all the observatories built by the zoroastrians and banned mathematics calling it "from the devil"
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a Where was the center of scientific research, education and publication in the Middle Ages ? What was the predominant religious practice in Iraq at the time ? Why do most of the Iraqi scientists who contributed to the human civilization were Muslims and lived in the Middle ages ? What were the religious views of Ibn Al-Haitham, Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi, Yaʻqūb ibn Isḥāq al-Kindī and when did they live ? Don't be ignorant and read about the subject before discussing it.
Baraggal 7 months ago
@Baraggal What you say is true there were muslim scientists between 1000 and 1200 AD doing work in Baghdad but all the science done there was not done by muslims! The majority of Persians in that area at the time were Zoroastrians. Its just another example of muslims claiming something! besides 90% of the discoveries made at that time were following on from earlier Greek and Roman work. Do some research before joining the islamist propaganda machine and make yourself look uneducated.
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a Please provide me with some trustworthy reviewed references as I tried to look for "Persian Zoroastrian" scientific contributions in the Middle ages and couldn't find any. Most of the influential Persian scientists were Muslims as far as I know. In addition, I could not help but notice that people who acknowledge the contributions of the Islamic civilization were mostly westerners and modern Muslims just brag about it.
Baraggal 7 months ago
@Baraggal NO!!!! The west acknowledges the contributions of the ARAB civilization not the muslim one and are you seriously trying to tell me that when the muslim caliphate conquered Persia they were all muslim!!!!!!! Dont be silly the Persian Zoroastrian civilization had been there for a thousand years before the muslims showed up. Stop trying to steal middle eastern history just for the muslims!!!!!!
greeny202a 7 months ago
@Baraggal I have found a pretty decent video series on youtube describing Persian science before and during the muslim occupations before of course islam destroyed science in the middle east. Try -
/watch?v=UWhOREBNkPM
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a Real Arabs are mongrels and desert dwellers, before Islam they had nothing but their barbaric culture.
Thanks for your effort to link me to a trustworthy reviewed reference; however, I highly doubt that your reference is even close to be trusted and used in referencing. I think my argument still holds in this discussion until you provide me with names of pre-Islamic Persian scientists that compete with AlKhawarizmi or Ghiyāth al-Dīn Jamshīd Masʾūd al-Kāshī.
Baraggal 7 months ago
@Baraggal You will find the video series I sent a link to was made by an arab so it will not be as biased as you would like. You know as well as I do the Persian civilization has been making scientific breakthroughs for about 8000 years yet the muslims would have us believe that its all down to a bunch of arab bandits from Saudi Arabia! 12,000 years of semetic culture and Islam has only been here for 1400 years and look at the mess it has made of the middle east!
greeny202a 7 months ago
@greeny202a Semetic, Hamatic... This is nonsense. I think our conversation should end here, I really cannot go with this.
Baraggal 7 months ago
@Baraggal Well perhaps I can agree with you about the semetic part, I was actually just using the term to group all the middle eastern cultures together for sake of argument. But my point still remains there were great cultures and civilizations thousands upon thousands of years before the warring tribes came conquering out of Arabia!
greeny202a 7 months ago
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@Baraggal (2) You seem to be one of those people who have been brainwashed into thinking there was no culture in the middle east before Islam! try these 2 videos you may learn something -
/watch?v=m64tVi_rrLo&feature=related
/watch?v=X0AH-oFmU5M&feature
You will find that the first civilization on earth arose in what is now modern day iraq about 8,000 years ago with walled cities and a writing system.
greeny202a 7 months ago
Since the region Iraq was the home of the earliest civilizations by brilliantly inventive pioneers of urban living, why is it hard to accept that it was also home to a scientist of such caliber as Ibn-Haytham?
Im an Iranian myself. But I just say he was an "Iraqi", until I see some evidence (ancient documents, manuscripts, biography etc) which can confirm that he was a Persian, or from Iranian ancestry.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
This is a bad logic. I mean, if Al-Heitham was a Persian simply because Basra was governed by Sassanians before Arabs, then could he not be an Arab because Arabs occupied that region after the Sassanians? Or, could he not be a native (like Assyrian, or a Chaldaean or Babylonian) who occupied the plains of southern Mesopotamia thousands of years before Persians and Arabs?
ignatei 1 year ago 2
IMO, the term Arab is not altogether accurate. There is a diverse range of races who have been Arabized. When we say Al-Heitham was an Arab, it does not mean his ancestry traces back to Bedouin tribes of Arabia! It simply means he was an Arab speaker; his ancestors were most likely Iraqs native people who had been Arabized.
At the moment, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest he was Persian.
ignatei 1 year ago
He was from Iraq to us as Muslims we do not different others because of their race or even their nationality or language. Undrestand that Muslims are all kinds.
aymenana 1 year ago 3
@aymenana I was going to say the same thing
anasamati 1 year ago
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Knotheory 1 year ago
Frankly, there is no shroud of evidence that Al-Haytham was a Persian, or of Persian ancestry. He was an Iraqi; there were different people in the region at time. Like indigenous Mesopotamians of Iraq (Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians in southern Mesopotamia), Arabs who settled there after the Islamic conquests. And other races too (like Persians) due to the Byzantine-Roman and Sassanian Persian empires rules.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
There were people living in the Fertile Crescent LONG time before the Aryans came to dominate the Iranian plateau! Those people were not Arabs, of course. Here were invented and developed irrigation, the wheel, mathematics, astronomy, clock, alphabet and writing. Scripture and religion was also of their most enduring legacy to humankind. It was the cradle of Western civilization. Yet Iranians insist that every genius from that area must be of Persian ancestry.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
I think Iraqi is the most acurate term to describe Al-Haytham. I know that country Iraq didnt exist at the time, but... Gauss is called a German although he was born in what was then Holy Roman Empire.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
One or two books say he was 'Persian', most likely because his birthplace was under Persian occupation, at the time of his birth. This doesn't say much about his ethnicity. Seriously, by this logic Pythagoras must also have been a Persian! Similarly Jamshid al-Kashi is automatically considered a Mongol!
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ignatei
Thanks for your informative posts, which should put some sense into all these bigoted racists trying to claim every great Iraqi as a Persian. Long before Persians occupied the region, Iraq was inhabited by Semitic peoples like the Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Chaldeans. Most of these people eventually adopted the Arabic language and become known as "Arabs". However, the racists here completely ignore this fact and instead try to claim Iraqis as Arabized Persians!
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
@Jagged, Iraq was & even after defeat of Arabs, Turks Iraq was again part of Iran, you ignorant child. Iraq was part of Iran since Achamenian period. We defeated Babylonians retard 2565 years ago, how stupid are you. Iraq as Iran was forced to speak Arabic, how stupid are you truly. No one adopted Arabic, it was forced, or you were killed as they did the town of Khwarizm where Khwarizmi was born, they killed nearly the entire population for not writing in Arabic. Iraqi were Iranian not Persian.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
First you hate Arabs, then Turks, and now Babylonians? It was the Babylonians who produced the most advanced sciences and literature before and during the Persian Empire. Long after the Persian conquest, the Babylonians continued to produce sciences for centuries through to the Sassanid period. Persians inherited much of their knowledge from the Babylonians. Until the Arab conquest, the majority of Iraq's population was Babylonian/Chaldean, while Iranians were a minority.
Jagged85 1 year ago
@Jagged85 Thanks you for your input.
ignatei 1 year ago
Just watch teh video and learn without arguing your stupid racial supremacist theories you MORON! ... Ironic thing is all these racial supremacists are usually the worst lot from their respective races and have really made no contribution to science or technology because of their preoccupation with racist ideology -- and possible inbred stupidity too.
rlinfinity 1 year ago 2
He was a pesian, it that time there were no arabs living in basra but persians!
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
What does Persians have to do with this video?
This video is about ISLAM
Crunchybear1 2 years ago 12
Crunch, This bullshit video is to promot Islam, using nations invaded by barbarian Arabs that had no education or system of proper writing or mathematics that claim they gave so much that did not belong to them or theirs to begin with.
seanamico 2 years ago
@Crunchybear, It is the fact you ignorant peasant Arabs want to force people that you invaded with knowledge, education, civilization & place them under Islam or Muslim so you can advance your ignorant, pathetic, backward cult.
Islam=Crap of Arabia
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
1-2 @Crunchybear1
Alhazen was probably Persian Basra was a Persian city conquered by the Arab Muslims
By the mid 600s the Arabs had control of the area; although the Persians (among others) frequently rebelled. (People don't like being ruled by outsiders) Even in this day and age Persian Iranians consider Arab Iranians to not be "real" Persians --Go figure?
The sciences were well developed in the Persian Empire, which had contact with India and China; long before the Muslims arrived
BoudiccaBlanc 11 months ago
2-2 @Crunchybear1
Arabic numerals actually came from India to Persia. They numbers were called "Arabic" because that's where the West discovered them.
The Persian empire was in decline (militarly) by the time the Muslims arrived on the scene Probably the main reason was the constant wars with the Byzantines over areas that both considered strategic.
Arabic numerals actually came from India to Persia. They numbers were called "Arabic" because that's where the West discovered them.
BoudiccaBlanc 11 months ago
No, there is no evidence at all that Ibn al-Haytham was a Persian. The only thing "Persian" about him was that his birthplace Basra was under Persian rule at the time.
Basra has always been a largely Arab city that was originally founded by Arab settlers in the 7th century. All biographies of him only have his name written in Arabic, with not a single one providing any Persian name, nor do any of his biographies even remotely suggest he had any connections to Persia.
Jagged85 2 years ago
Think about it. Ibn al-Haytham travelled all across the Arab World in his lifetime, but never once visited Persia all his life. The only part of the Persian Empire he ever visited was his birthplace Basra, a largely Arab city that happened to be under Persian rule at the time. All evidence points to Ibn al-Haytham being an Iraqi Arab, not a Persian.
Jagged85 2 years ago
It seems obvious to me that some Iranians/Persians here suffer from a serious dose of anti-Arab prejudice, even though this video has nothing to do with Arabs in the first place!
If some of you Persians/Iranians hate Arabs so much, then why are you trying so desperately to claim an Iraqi Arab scientist as your own when there is no evidence at all to even suggest he was a "Persian"?
Jagged85 2 years ago
There is no evidence that he was an arab either!! That he wrtoe in arabic is not a good excuse! In that time poeple were forced to write their literature in ararbic! A lot of other Persians wrote their literature in arabic and they were persian (proofs enough!). st be sure that basra in that time was not the basra you see today! Basta was for centuries part of Persia and with arabs invading Persia to force us into islam they took a part of south west Iran.
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
Basra was founded in 636 by settling Arabian tribes, not by Persians. The only time Basra was ever under Persian control in its entire history was from 945 to 1055, which just so happens to coincide with the time of Ibn al-Haytham. You think that makes him a Persian just because of this one coincidence?
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
If Ibn al-Haytham was a Persian, then his biographies would have mentioned his Persian descent, just like all the biographies of many other great Persians who were born in Baghdad. His biographies never mentioned his Persian name, nor is there is any evidence he ever even knew how to speak Persian, and nor did he ever mention anything about Persia in any of his writings. Unless you are suggesting Alhazen was in denial of his Persian heritage? Which is highly unlikely.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
Bottom line: Ibn al-Haytham identified himself first and foremost as a Muslim, and then a Basri of Iraq. His race or ethnicity is completely irrelevant. Who cares if he was Arab, Persian, Indian, Chinese, or whatever?
Jagged85 2 years ago
"islamic golden age" wouldnt even exist withour arabs envading Persia!
BTW, i'm not going into a discussion and hereby i let u know that it was my last reaction, since some "people" are impossible to convince and they want to live in denial. I'm just happy that my beuatiful country Iran kept its own culture and language and we proudly can say that we are Iranians and not arabs.
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
Of course Persians played a significant role in the "Islamic Golden Age", but they were not the only ones. Many other ethnicities also played a major role, including Arabs, Berbers, Moors, Turks, Indians, and others.
And some people need to stop associating Islam with "Arabs". In fact, Arabs were the very first enemies of Islam in the beginning. Hell, "Arab" is not even an actual ethnicity to begin with, but just an identity for those who speak Arabic as a first language.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
My only problem with some Persians, especially those who grew up in the West, is that some of them hate Islam just because it was introduced by "Arabs" and at the same time they would love to convince themselves that they are descendents of "Aryans" who invaded from Northern Europe, almost like what the Nazis believed.
Jagged85 2 years ago
seanamico is a prime example of this. He is in complete denial of the fact that almost all of the greatest Persian scientists and philosophers were Muslims, not Zoroastrians, and they identified themselves as as Muslims first and foremost before they identified themselves as Persians. Islam is a huge part of Persian history (the Islamic Golden Age was also the Golden Age of Persia in fact) and yet some Persians like seanamico want to completely deny it ever happened!
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
I didn't mean to offend any of my Persian/Iranian brothers and sisters, but the countless ignorant posts by seanamico is getting ridiculous now.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
I dont know if you are an arab or not. But, If you are please dont call us bothers and sisters. We are not the same!
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
No, I am not an Arab at all. But I am anti-racist, so there's no reason why I should tolerate racists like seanamico at all.
I'm just the kind of guy who will defend any ethnic group being discriminated against, whether its Arabs, Persians, Chinese, Indians, Whites, Blacks, etc.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
We are Aryans. Aryan is our race. I dont care if you are against Persian are proud that they are not the same arabs.
BTW all the seince, architecture, art, medicine and any form of civilization were from Perisan during "islamic golden age" . And i dont think Iranians Iran differ alot from Iranians outside Iran.
If you deny that, there is no panic ;) since your argument would be more valid if the arabs didnt invade our beuatiful country Iran. This was my last post for u! It is time wasting!
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
Yes, I know that Iranians and Northern Indians were the original "Aryans", so I don't see a problem if they want to refer to themselves as "Aryans". However, I have seen a few Iranians claiming that their ancestors were white Nordic invaders from Northern Europe! That's the kind of Nazi-level extremes I was talking about.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
Aryans? There's no such thing.
faro0485 1 year ago 2
Turks and mongols came far more later into the region. So what you are saying is completey untreu!! And nothern and western part of india was pasrt of persia!! They sare known as Parsi's and their race islo like us: Aryans!
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
Turks made contributions towards the end of the Islamic Golden Age, and there were even some Turkic contributors during the early Islamic Golden Age.
Also, it was only western Pakistan that was part of Persia, not northern/western India. As for the Parsis, they are descended from Persian migrants to India.
Jagged85 2 years ago 3
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Yes western and northern Inida was part of persia!
But enough of that, I dont like arabs and islam.
Aerostudent88 2 years ago
Persia never ruled any part of what is today modern-day India. The Persian Empire only ruled up to the Indus river in modern-day Pakistan.
Jagged85 2 years ago 4
@Jagged, You just cant stick to one subject can you, you cannot defend or argue any point so you jump around. Pakistan was part of India & large part of Pakistan was part of Iran, you ignorant FOOL.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
No, only the western part of Pakistan (i.e. west of the Indus River) was part of Persia, while the eastern part (i.e. east of the Indus River) was part of India.
Jagged85 1 year ago
@Jagged, HAHAHAHA, I do not need a geography lesson from you, I know my history far better than an ignorant ONLINE EDUMICATED child like you.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
For example, the first ever algebraic treatise was written by a Turkic mathematician, Abd al-Hamīd ibn Turk, some years before Al-Khwarizmi.
Jagged85 2 years ago 2
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@Jagged85, Turks of Turkey are not Turks, they were invaded. The people living in Turkey are mix of Greek, Roman, Persian, Armenians that were invaded by Turkish barbarians brought by Arabs that were no different from them & ended up being ruled by Turks eventually for 700 years with the same brutality they brought to the world.
You think you know, but you dont know much do you.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
What does any of this have to do with what I said? Ibn Turk was a Turk from Central Asia, not Turkey. Besides, "Turks" and "Arabs" are not real ethnicities, but merely identities for those who speak Turkic or Arabic languages as their first language. Much like Arabs have multiple origins (Bedouin, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Nubian, Phoenician, etc.), Turks also have multiple origins (Mongol, Iranian, Greek, Armenian, etc.). You still have much to learn about the Turks and Arabs.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
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You would not understand it that is your lack of knowledge & education. Turks & Arabs are identities of those who were forced to speak these ignorant & retarded languages, Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Algerians, Moroccans & many others had there own language & Arabic was not the first, such bullshit from a hypocrit. Mesopotamian, Egyptian & the rest are not Arab, ask the educated people of these nations & they will tell you off. Mongols have never been Iranian. I know far more than you.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
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Jagge, Morons like you always want to mix others with your filthy cult & race so you can prove you are better, your arrogance & ignorance here is proof. Iranians forced to take Arab names, Arab language & religion but it did not last did it you peasant, they fucked you out with all your disgusting ways as we did Turkish animal that tore you a knew asshole & ran your ass for 700 years. Ignorant people may accept your Arab bullshit but not educated people, I know many that would spit in your face.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
As I already said, I'm not an Arab or Turk, not even close. So why are you attacking me personally when I have nothing to do with these peoples? All I am doing is educating bigoted haters like you about peoples you know nothing about, other than what you've learnt from anti-Arab and anti-Turk propaganda sites. After telling you that Turks and Arabs are not real ethnicities, all you're now doing is paraphrasing what I've told you like a parrot. Think with your own brain for once.
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
@Jagge, You mean you are not a MORON, but your post prove you are, you argue for them, you defend there actions, what am I to think of you then. You educate? I think you need to get educated first retard, if you had any education to speak of that is. Fuck you & all Arabs, including Turks. I dont go by anyone's propaganda MORON, I have stated facts & history of animals. I think for myself you ignorant child, have you ever had the ability to do so for yourself, I doubt it.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
"all Arabs, including Turks"? You make it sound like they're the same, when in fact they are two completely different peoples, with hardly anything in common. The early Arabs originally came from Arabia, whereas the early Turks originally came from Mongolia. The differences between them are like night and day! This is what I mean about you being an uneducated bigot. Try learning history from published academic sources for once, instead of the hate sites you usually visit.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
@Jagged, Arab is an ethnicity, as Turks are an ethnic people. Egyptians are not ethnic Arab, not now or ever, people living in today's Turkey are not ethnic Turks or Azeri but Turks from Asia are ethnic people called TURKS. Arabs from Saudi are ethnic Arabs are you out of your mind. People forced to speak Turkish & Arabic are not Turks or Arabs, it does not mean ethnic Arab & Turks does not exist. YOU ARE A FOOL.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
Yet more idiocy. "Arab" is a linguistic identity, not an ethnic identity. An "Arab" identity never even existed until the rise of "Arab nationalism" in the 20th century. According to the widely accepted definition of "Arab", anyone who speaks Arabic as a first language is an "Arab", regardless of ethnic origins. As for Saudi Arabians, they are ethnically Bedouin.
The same goes for Turks. The original Turks were like Mongols, and yet most "Turks" today look nothing like Mongols.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
@Jagged, Jackass, until Arab animals invaded no other nation, people were forced to speak Arabic or accept Arab bullshit, you are trying to prove some crap of yours that Arabs have tried to force on the world after invading & forcing nations to accept Arab culture, language & heritage. I dont need your Wiki bullshit or copy & paste you find online. I know who Arabs are & Turks, dont need your EDUMICATION retard. Turks mixed with Russians for generations thus they did not look like Mongols.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
Where do you learn all your garbage from? Some random propaganda hate site? Or are you just pulling crap out of your own arse? And what the hell is an "EDUMICATION"? Go get an education, this time from published academic sources, instead of getting your information from random hate sites (or even worse, pulling it out of your own arse).
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
@ReedamBeIslam
Your anger and hatred against 400 million "Arabs" is misguided. The Bedouins of Arabia that invaded your Persian homeland are today only a minority among modern "Arabs". If you were angry against Bedouins, I can understand, but what do you have against other Arabs? What did the Iraqis, Egyptians, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Moroccans, Algerians, etc. do to deserve your hatred?
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
@Jagged85 Unfortunately, this mutual hatred has been going on for a century. The reason for Iranian racism toward Arabs, is the Arab racism against Iranians, which has been rampant in the Arab media as well as their educational systems. I've seen Yemenis textbooks and Saudi cartoons that claim Iranian scholars like Avicenna or Khayyam were Arabs! And its not just in Arabia, you know what happened to Iranians (including Kurds) under Saddam regime...
ignatei 1 year ago
@ignatei
True. Arabs and Iranians need to get over their hatred and racism against each other, and just learn to get along. Besides, it's not like most people outside of the Middle East can even tell the difference between them. It reminds me of the mutual hatred between Indians & Pakistanis, between Chinese & Japanese, etc., even though most people outside those regions wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Indians & Pakis or Chinese & Japanese.
Jagged85 1 year ago 10
@Jagged85 it's ture that there have always been a hate between arabs and persians, but this hatered was only once translated into wars between militries, between the arabs, persians and turks long centuries ago. and the reason was authorithy, not that it was a racial hate.
94AJ94 1 year ago
So what? Arab, Persian makes no difference. They were all Muslim. The Egyptians were Arab and look how much they progressed.
truebeliever786 1 year ago 2
@Aerostudent88
Nice try, but the city of Basra was founded by Arabs, not Persians.
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
@Jagged, My dear educated retard just to educate your pathetic ass a bit before I am done with your stupidity. The site where Arabs call Basra is of an old Persian settlement called Vaheštābād Ardašīr, which was destroyed by the Arabs, The Arab army camped here & the name Basra still originates from the Persian word Bas-rāh or Bassorāh meaning "where many ways come together, it is not Arabic, as Arab morons have learned to take from our language & include in their language.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam I agree that the people of ancient Fertile Crescent were not Arabs. They started to be Arabized (linguistically and racially) after the Arab conquests. Since 3000 BC, there were great civilizations in Mesopotomia and Egypt. Persians arrived on the scene only around 550 BC, when Babylon was at its zenith as the hub of the civilized world. Before the Aryans came to dominate the Iranian plateau, much of it was Assyrian settlements.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
Reeeedam be Islam (cool username!), Iraqis were not Iranians, only a portion of them were. As an analogy, in present-day Iraq Kurds are an Iranian people. The rest of the population are not necessarily Iranians.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ReedamBeIslam
Vaheštābād Ardašīr was only a small settlement, not a city. It was the Arabs who founded the city of Basra in that area.
As for the name Basra, it was derived from the Arabic word "Al-Basrah", which means "the over watching" or "the seeing everything".
Jagged85 1 year ago 2
Jagged, Iraq already had a great city MORON called Baghdad, who gives a shit that they started a military camp? What does this have to do with Iran having Iraq which is a Iranian name retard and was part of Iran for over 1200 years. Again Basrah is a Persian word retard, Arabs having barley a proper language took from Parsi for thousand years, Arabic is full of Parsi, majority of it, just because they change the meaning & pronunciation it does not make it Arabic. Vahestabad existed already
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
Nice try at completely ignoring what I said about the Babylonians. Iranian empires may have ruled Iraq for nearly a thousand years, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Iraq's population was Babylonian/Chaldean for most of that time, through to the Sassanid period. Iranians were always a minority in Iraq. In fact, Iraq has always had a Semitic majority (Akkadian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Arab) and Iranian minority (Persian, Kurd) for the last 2500 years.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
Jagged, Very difficult to get anything through your thick skull. In 40 years the Mexicans in US are going to out number white Americans, & Baghdad being a main city of Iran, ruled, run & managed by Iranians for 1200 years the majority were not Iranian? What kind of imbecile are you really. With a huge military presence, man access to Europe & to Africa, Iranians were minority, you are a fool, an ignorant MORON, Kurds are Iranian retard, one of three major Iranian tribes that moved during Ice age
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam
First you claim Basra, and now you're claiming Baghdad too? You're stupidity is getting ridiculous now. The city of Baghdad was founded by Arabs, not Persians. Baghdad was founded by the Abbasid Caliphate in the 8th century.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
@Jagged, I claim nothing, I told your ignorant ass that Iraq was part of Iran as the name is Pure Iranian. You started rambling about Basra & I corrected your ass again that it was a Iranian city & Arabs only built as an army camp to watch the Sassanid army after they invaded Iraq.
I have had enough of your copy & paste info. It is people like you that are EDUMICATED, an education is way too difficult for your kind, Edumicated people like you go online to cut & paste instead of learning.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam And by the way, Arabs did not utilized Iraq as just a military camp. They settled there, and in many other places that they had captured, including the Khuzistan of Iran.
I mean, if you think Al-Heitham was Iranian solely because Iraq was a satrapy of the Persian empire and its administrative capital at some point, then by this logic he could very well be a descendant of the native inhabitants of Iraq, or even a descendant of the Arab settlers. Why necessarily an Iranian?
ignatei 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam Sure, those names (Iraq/Arak or Baghdad) might be of Iranian origin. Iraq is simply a name chosen for the region by the Brits after it was severed from the Ottoman Empire in WW I. But there are also places in Iran whose names are of Semetic origin. For example, Tehran (capital of Iran) is of Assyrian origin. Esfahan is not of Iranian origin either. It derives from Espandana, a name from Elamo-Dravidian origin.
ignatei 1 year ago 3
@ignatei, HAHAHA such bullshit. "Tehran" comes from the Persian words "Tah" meaning "end or bottom" and "Ran" meaning "mountain slope" literally, bottom of the mountain slope. Second possibility is "Tehran" is derived from Tiran/Tirgan, "The Abode of Tir" (Tir being the Zoroastrian Angel of Rain). The ancient Parthian town of Tiran was a neighbor to the town of Mehran ("The Abode of Mehr/Mithra", the Zoroastrian Angel of Water).
Where did you learn anything from? England, hahahahha
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam You correctly used the term "possibility", implying that these are speculations. Assyrians had settlements in what is now Tehran long before the Aryans. Even at the time of Aryans, we do know that the Assyrian empire raided deep into iran and set up settlements to combat the proto-Iranian arrivals (known also as "Aryans") with the Medes being the major Iranic power in iran at the time ...
The city is an old settlement in Assyrian the name means "the place where I shall return".
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ignatei, To correct you again Isfahan province (Persian
Persian language from Pahlavi time.: استان اصفهان (Ostān-e Esfahān); also transliterated as Esfahan, Espahan, Sepahan or Isphahan). "Espahan" comes from the Middle Pahlavi Persian name of the city Spahan, which means "the soldiers" making the meaning the "city of soldiers." Arab MORONS could not pronounce letter P, there is no "p" in Arabic, they changed "Spahan" & miss pronounce it as "Esfahan."
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam I've been to Esfahan myself. Actually, it was Espandana. There are restaurants, hotels, and even a street named Espandana in Esfahan. Espandana was a name with some Elamite roots, another Semitic folk who dominated much of Iran at the time. It was later rendered to Espahan. And you are correct that it got changed to Esfahan after the Arab invasion.
There are many places in Iran whose names are Elamite. Like: the city of Shush in Iran which was called Susa by Elamites.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ignatei, Iraq was named by Britts? HAHAHA you are funny, it is an ancient name going back as far as Elam, the name is older than Mesopotamia.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@ReedamBeIslam What I meant was: prior to WWI, there has never been a country known as Iraq. Imperial Britain partitioned the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire into artificial borders. For one of these, they chose the name Iraq. The term itself has the same roots as Arak (a city in Iran), derived from Middle Persian meaning lowlands. But I am curious to know how this Iranian term can possibly be older than Mesopotamia. :-)
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ReedamBeIslam There were civilizations in the Near East (particularly region of Iraq) which predate Persian civilization for thousands of years. Let's call them the native inhabitants of Iraq, a Semetic people who were neither Arabs nor Iranians/Indo-Europeans.
Just to clarify, are you saying that because Iranians controlled Iraq, they outnumbered the natives? Even here, the burden of proof is on you.
ignatei 1 year ago 2
@ReedamBeIslam
As for Vahestabad, it was only a small settlement. It was the Arabs who actually founded the "city" of Basra.
As for Farsi, that language has itself been heavily influenced by Arabic over the last thousand years. Nearly 40% of modern Farsi vocabulary is derived from Arabic.
Jagged85 1 year ago 3
@Jagged, You just repeat what I said to make yourself look better, such an idiot. It is Parsi you ignorant child, not Farsi & our language was the most sophistocated language, language of siceince, mathematics, medicine, poetry, unlike a bunch of Arabs that barley had a system of writing, in fact we completed there pathetic grammar for them. Please save your bullshit. Arabs plagiarized our language, religion for 1200 years, nothing in Parsi but some Islamic bullshit is Arabic.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@Aerostudent, It is the Arab way to take credit for people & nations they invaded to hide their identity under Islam or Muslim, as they claim Islamic Empire or Muslim Empire to advance the stupidity & ignorance that existed in this cult.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@Aerostudent88 lol
noodnadim 1 year ago
@Aerostudent88 it's not about being an arab or not, it's about being a muslim and belonging to islam, besides.. you ahould know that islam is not related to arabs or anyother race.
94AJ94 1 year ago
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Nice, Persian scintist identified as "fucking arab".
Get lost all muslems and fucking arabs. Come suck Persian dick.
Arabs only love fighting and killing. they fight together, such as bloody fucking pelestin and lebnan, iraq, Kuweit.
How they are scientist? May be egiptian? Egiptian are not Arab. Read their history to see different between fucking arab and egiptian
hoomanes 2 years ago
When did I claim he was an Arab?
Crunchybear1 2 years ago 2
he is arabian الحسن ابن الهيثم
thearabsword1 2 years ago
@Crunchybear, You dont make mention or say anything but Islam or muslim, that puts him under Arab.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
@Crunchybear, You hide there identity under Islam, Muslim, this is how you people try to advance your backward cult. You hate Iranians and yet are always so ready & willing to take credit for what they achieved, there achievements go long before you Arabs invaded & forced Islam, during your cruelty, after you were handed your ass & sent back to hell of Arabia.
ReedamBeIslam 1 year ago
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hoomanes 2 years ago
Now that is more likely, "search for truth and knowledge" i can live with that.
Argoon1981 2 years ago
Admit it!
You've been mentally wrung dry!
Islam is the light illuminating the world, with Allah swt Grace you might get guided right but scarcely there's any room for the arrogant or vainglorious!
Remember what happened to Pharaoh?
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawn, Little man from Zimbabwe, are you losing it? Have you lost all sanity, are you desparate?
Civilizations come & go, cults like Islam come & go, they my last a while but it is all for a short time for this planet.
We all know when a slave has children, they are also slaves, nothing new.
Satanic faith like Islam is not the way to raise your children, I am sorry for your kids that will never have freedom or free will to know what life can be without a Satanic faith, girls have it worst
seanamico 2 years ago
Pharaoh, the Egyptian Ruler was also a very proud man- claiming to be equal to the Creator- even HIS body was found at the bottom of the sea- how do you think he came to be where his body was found?
Was his body placed there after death? this is all revealed in the Noble Quran!
Do you have a history book in which this all is explained? guess NOT & you never will!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
The Noble Quran CONFIRMS what was reveal before plus additional Scripture as a mercy to the WHOLE of humanity- not just for you or me, but for WHOLE of the mankind, preserved in its original form, til the Judgement Day!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawnyz, We are all so aware of your noble Quran with its mercy, tell me what would you do to your child if they converted to another religion & left your cult?
Would you like to see what your merciful cult does to people that learn the truth about Islam & leave?
Get lost animal, you are not at my level to show one thing about Islam that has any toleration for humanity, any mercy or decency. You are an ignorant fool and as all pathetic people without a brain you start with threats of hell.
seanamico 2 years ago
Pagan fire worshipper, seanamico.
You weren't born without it but you manage to lose it, since every child that is born, is a Muslim at birth- your mind is filled with trash & that is corrupting your thinking- leading you to do most things bad- are you allowing yourself to become Satan's Agent who has avowed to be your eternal enemy in leading you astray?
mawnyz1 2 years ago
Yes Mr. Africa, you should know paganism better than anyone or any nation. What can this child of god help you with. I cannot help you with paganism, that I leave to Muslims & Muhammad.
My thinking has given me & my family a great life, can you say that.
When I look for Satan, all I have to do is to find a Muslim & have him utter rubbish about Quran, the worlds biggest cult on this planet.
Satan has already screwed you & all that were forced into Islam, what can I do that would be worst to U
seanamico 2 years ago
The separation of two types of water (salty sweet) flowing together yet apart, meaning, that they do NOT MIX! There's also explanation regarding the depth of sea water- how the waves work & at what depth the natural light does not reach! dont suppose you anything like this written & left by Zartosht to look at? I ought to show some empathy for your loss but don't believe he had it him to be able to come up with anything near as the Noble Quran!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
At last you have come to you senses!
Glad to know that you & your friend Zartosht have NO such historic evidence to know or show, how Pharaoh's body came to be, where it was found- yet this was revealed in the Noble Quran some fourteen- nay nearly fourteen & half centuries ago! That's really wonderful, what a Allah swt 's mercy, a miracle! but there are many more such miracles- take for example the formation of a fetus.
mawnyz1 2 years ago
maw, Your ignorance & stupidity is beyond anyone I know, you are truly an ignorant child of Satan. What are you talking about you ignorant MORON. Persia ruled Egypt for hundreds of years, we did not know about Pharaohs? What the fuck are you talking about retard?
Islam has no miracle you ignorant moron, you make your own argument & decide you have won some bullshit argument you came up with? Are you in a hospital using a computer to post rubbish?
Do you argue with yourself & usually win?
seanamico 2 years ago
This confirms that Zartosht did NOT leave you with NO lasting evidence to prove that he was even alive- you see thats what happens when you mistakenly begin to worship the created things like fire,some similar things or people! if you knew about where Pharaoh's body was then why was it NOT DISCOVERED any earlier- why was it just recently found? This shows that you're lying! or was it purposely left at the bottom of the sea- but when it was spotted it suddenly was taken for display in a Museum
mawnyz1 2 years ago
brainwashed, ignorant Muslim. Zartosht left a legacy that will last forever you pagan child of Arabia.
I have no clue what you are talking about Pharaoh's you idiot. Creating fire? what are you talking about you MORON.
Go to a hospital & commit yourself, you have officially lost it you ignorant retard.
seanamico 2 years ago
YOU WERE TOLD BEFORE OF THIS, THE MOMENT YOU START TO INSULT YOUR OPPONENT, YOU HAVE, MENTALLY, ACCEPTED DEFEAT!
"Zartosht left a legacy that will last forever"
what was that legacy, can you NAME ONE?
Fire worshipping god, which was kicked out of the Ka'bah by the Muslims?
mawnyz1 2 years ago
take a look at this
(w w w dot you tube dot comm/watch question mark vequal hD2323zkQUM)
remove the brackets
mawnyz1 2 years ago
Internet tough guy alert.
BlackSonichu 2 years ago
MORON ALERT "BLACKsONICHU" MORON ALET.
seanamico 2 years ago
I like your spelling, sir. Can you teach me how to do more of it? ^____-
BlackSonichu 2 years ago
Correct my spelling then if it bothers you? Can you find any mistakes?
seanamico 2 years ago
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MORON ALERT "BLACKsONICHU" MORON ALET. MORON ALERT "BLACKsONICHU" MORON ALET. MORON ALERT "BLACKsONICHU" MORON ALET. MORON ALERT "BLACKsONICHU" MORON ALET.
BlackSonichu 2 years ago
maw, Miracle or false manipulations is one of the basic foundations of various religions. The founders and traders of such religions try to impel the people to their creed by deceiving them through miracle, and intoxicate them to false pretensions. It is amazing that even educated people, who are erudite in various fields of science, easily negate their knowledge versus imposture of such people and fall prey to their charlatanry.
seanamico 2 years ago
These peoples are so brain washed by religious traders that although they have tremendous achievements in various fields of science, they are enchanted by religious superstitions and follow baseless ideas.
Regarding the phenomenon of miracle in zoroastrianism, it should be mentioned that Arab invaders put unbearable pressure on zoroastrians to admit that Zarathustra has also performed miracle to label him a prophet and thereby undermine zoroastrianism.
seanamico 2 years ago
Zartosht philosophical principles were so wise and strong that he did not need to claim the existence of miracles to manipulate his followers. The men of sagacity and knowledge, who are familiar with historical writings and the contents of Gatha, know that miracle does not have any place in Zoroastrianism.
Zoroaster the first prophet to teach a single god exist, first prophet to teach to protect all aspects that allow us to live on this planet & not to ontaminate them. Air, water, fire, earth.
seanamico 2 years ago
maw, It is your ignorance & stupidity that you think Muhammad had any miracles, all he heard & thought makes sence he placed in Quran, plagiarization is the only thing he was good at & then he did not investigate anything properly.
seanamico 2 years ago
When the cockroaches hear the familiar noises, they run miles away, or hide in the crevices to escape getting .... CRUSHED!
Where are ya, seanamico? I wanta thank ya for your help in spreading Islam!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
All thoughts and words deeds of men shall bear fruit as laid down in Thine Eternal Law,
Evil to Evil blessing good-to-good-
Thus wisdom thus ordained till end of time. (Yasna 43.5)
Both parties, True and False, are put to test, Mazda, by blazing Fire Divine;
This Fiery Test lays bare their inmost Souls, as the award to each one indicates; Complete frustration shall the false One find, the blessing full the Truthful One shall reap.
(Yasna 51.9)
seanamico 2 years ago
Who made the fire?
Do you SEE your gods in the flames of Fire?
Whether It'll be this or perhaps a far worse fire awaits, at the reception hall to welcome the arrival of ppl like you to dwell therein!
Forever & ever!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawnyz, I know scare tactics work with retards like yourself, it does not work with me.
Fire that your prophet learned about on judgment day is not for you to burn in it you ignorant Muslim, this is the problem when an ignorant Arab like Muhammad plagiarizes & has no clue what to make of it & makes up shit to scare people to accept his pagan faith.
Fire on judgment day is when you are cleansed & accepted in heaven, you I doubt you will ever qualify but not up to me. Fire is the wisdom of god.
seanamico 2 years ago
You ignorant buffoon, Allah swt brought the Fire into existence from which He created the Jins-
You could be considered as the Jinn worshippers but thats another storyline!
Fire worshipping zoro!
You enjoy your fire Jacuzzi dip, from now till the Judgement Day & thereafter
What was it that was plagiarized by Prophet Mohammad- this accusation keeps cropping quite often & they all get given the same answer & they all shut up & Never come back any more!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawnyz, BLAH! BLAH!, BLAH!. Thousands of years before your pagan Allah got modified. Zartosht, Abraham, Moses, Jesus were teaching about a real legitimate god, not god of pagans that was modified.
Yea you wish you could prove we worship fire, while you worship a man that is burried & kiss a rock which shows you are still pagan.
Dont talk about what you dont know child, judgment day is the day of fire, fire is wisdom of god, the world & hell will be cleansed by fire you ignorant Arab.
seanamico 2 years ago
You see, only you think you're smart but in fact your knowledge about events is so limited - am asking myself why am I wasting my precious time talking to a person who knows not of whats being said- you are a person are you not?
Fire by virtue of its name means destruction NOT cleansing BUT DESTRUCTION!
ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT YOU LOT THAT SET THE PLACE ALIGHT EVERY WHERE, IN A MISTAKEN BELIEF OF CLEANSING THE WORLD?
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawnyz, You are an idiot. If not for fire, sun human beings would be in the dark you idiot. Fire cleanses, it kills bacteria, it lights up your night, it heats you when cold, sun feeds the plants & human beings, life grows because of it. You are a MORON, I have had enough of your stupidity.
Zartosht was far more brilliant man, scholar, poet, man of science & his techings far more relavant to todays man than your pathetic, retarded, greedy, ignorant Arab pedophile Muhammad may (pee be upon him)
seanamico 2 years ago
When a person resorts 2 the kind of abusive language level that you have taken yourself 2, then it becomes quite clear that your mental limit has been reached & youve been mentally wrung dry. Zoro LOOK "He forbade the orgiastic rites that accompanied animal sacrifice, common in his time, but PRESRVED THE ANCIENT CULT OF FIRE WORSHIPPING" R YOU EVEN WORTH TALKING 2?
Read the rest of the Holy Quran, therein you shall find that The Noble Quran confirms what WAS revealed plus new Scripture!
mawnyz1 2 years ago
mawnyz, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Noble Quran? Since when this man written crap book is noble? It is nobel to whom a bunch of animals that will not hesitate to kill, oppress & enslave any people or nation to shut them down & take any freedom of will they may have.
Save your ranting & raving you ignorant peasant, You are too ignorant to talk to, you are a slave, you have no thought of your own, just a pathetic book to post from.
I rather continue to wipe my ass with Quran, thank you.
seanamico 2 years ago
seanamico 2 years ago
You're NOT a christian? never said you were but more nearer to ashkenazi!
"basic foundation" what all is this relating to? make yourself understood- make it clear so everyone can understand what you're trying to say or has your intelligence forsaken you & feel abandoned by the Fire gods as well?
One thing you have failed to mention is what was it that was plagiarized- name something -anything.
mawnyz1 2 years ago
I guess you cannot read & comprehend can you. Too stupid? or just ignorant?
The Qur'an 5:32
"Whoever kills an innocent soul, it is as if he killed the whole of mankind'' (the interesting thing is that in the original Arabic, it is explicitly said that it is an Israelite commandment)
Talmud:
Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world
Should we keep going retard.
seanamico 2 years ago
God forbids Moses from suckling from a foster mother in Talmud as the Qur'an duplicated it also.
Qur'an 28:12
And We had already forbidden foster suckling mothers for him, until [his sister] said: Shall I show you a household who will rear him for you and take care of him?
Talmud:
The Holy One, Blessed is He, said: "Shall the mouth that will one day speak to me suckle from anything unclean?"
Need more little child, are you going to STFU or you still think you can out smart me.
seanamico 2 years ago
Qur'an 28:76
Korah was one of Moses' people, but he betrayed them and oppressed them. We gave him so many treasures that the keys would certainly weigh down a company of men possessed of great strength
Talmud:
"The keys to Korah's treasure house was a load for 300 white mules and the keys and locks were leather."
Where are you little one?
seanamico 2 years ago
Talmud tell the story of God raising a mountain over the Israelites as you see Muhammad the retard also plagiarized it.
Qur'an 7:171
"We raised the mountain over them as if it had been a canopy, and they thought that it was going to fall on them. (We said): "Hold firmly to what We have given you."
Talmud:
The Holy One, blessed is He, raised a mountain over Israel as though it were a dome. And He said to them: if you hold to the Torah all is well, but if not you will be buried here!
seanamico 2 years ago