MoonFaker: Clementine, SELENE & Telescopes. PART 3

[ThePoltergueist]

Also URRS was a hoax?

[Heath75032]

You mist take us for complete odiots

[elvisinpersonator]

This video will be seen by exacting observers as proof of tampering of Moon's photographs, when not complete made ups.

[JehanneDeLys]

Hang on! NASA blooper alert! How can JAXA &/or NASA claim there is a crater or halo at the Apollo 15 landing site when they previously explained away the ABSENCE of ANY disturbance under the LM as shown clearly in all the moon photos taken by the astronauts?

[sukiari]

Good work here. I believe that some of the orbital photography had been generated from the famous gigantic moon model built for Von Braun. Sometimes Apollo era official NASA photographs have glaring problems when compared to more recent lunar mapping missions which seem more credible. What is your take on the giant moon model?

[loogares]

Excelent work, there is glassy towers patterns and structures at minute 4.21

[sc0qter]

We now have some images of 5 of the 6 landing sites. There should be better photos as the orbiter descends to it's operational orbit in the future.

It would be interesting to see some of these new images in an "addendum" just to see how they compare to previously existing images in your videos.

[jerryaltman]

Many scientists could shot a powerfull laser, that was reflected by retrorefrectors left on the Moon by Apolo missions. The reflection can be detected on Earth with sensor. This is only possible if there is a retroreflector on Moon.

[rockync7]

i wish Iran or korea or someone who hates the US would invest in a space program and show the US and NASA for what they really are.....liars...

[adrianfi7]

Me I suggest you look at the blueprints for the lunar rover and try to place it were nasa said it was located (a small space 5feet wide 5 feet deep) in the lander you will find that even folded it does not fit, on the other hand you can make models of the perspective of the Earth from the moon and compare it to the famous moon rise photograph you will see Earth is too small in the nasa photo, those are two things that prove the hoax and well explained I don´t think anyone can argue about it.

[supertrinko]

how do you know the picture of earth in earth-rise is too small? i've tried testing this on a computer, and it works out for me, so what am i doing wrong?

[adrianfi7]

you need to use a program that can makes perspective reality like AutoCad or 3DMax-Studio and they do a fly-by. You will see it then, remember earth has 40,000km at the equator and the moon is about 1/4 at a distance of 325,000km.

[supertrinko]

actually i was using a properly scaled solar system, and it worked out fine

[adrianfi7]

Well a 3d model will let you place the scale model next to the earthrise photo and compare, it kind of look the same but it´s not.

[supertrinko]

and your '3d model' is open to many mistakes, like position of the moon at the time of the apollo landings, for all i know, your 3d model could have been at the apogee of the moon's orbit, while the apollo landings were at the perigee.

which is about 42,000km difference

[GoneToPlaid]

Well, according to everybody else, the earth's diameter is approximately 12,800 km. The moon's distance from the earth is approximately 384,000 km. Thus the moon is approximately 30 earth diameters distant. The moon appears to be 1/2 degree in angular size when viewed from the earth. The earth appears to be nearly 2 degrees in size when viewed from the moon. These facts have been known for over 300 years.

[GoneToPlaid]

Exactly. The Earth, viewed from the surface of the moon or from low lunar orbit, should and does correctly appear to have an apparent diameter of about 1.9 degrees.

[lyniseuk]

Man your aurgement has become soo boring now, why don't you just give it up you've lost mate. Now you compare photos from crafts that have nothing to do with the Moonlanding, how sad you all are..get a life mate and try talking about something that's important! Roll on the 40th anniversarry of the Moon landing lol!!

[HeadLikeARock]

The evidence proves that you mis-matched the Clementine and Orbiter images.

For example, how can you possibly claim you've accurately superimposed the Selene image at 6:27? Look at the bottom right corner of the superimposed image. It needs to moving south east to overlap the large crater on tghe Clementine image. It's plain as day.

[WhiteJarrah]

watch?v=1n-8OXBwQvI

[HeadLikeARock]

The subject is, how can you possibly state that the dark splotch (Clementine) doesn't match up to the A15 landing site, when you have failed to align the Clementine and Orbiter images correctly (as proven by the mis-matched craters)?

Anything else is just trying to lead the viewers attention away from the fact that you made an error, and for some reason won't admit to it, but instead are trying to lead me on a dance.

Just admit it! You made an error, which renders your argument invalid.

[WhiteJarrah]

"The subject is, how can you possibly state that the dark splotch (Clementine) doesn't match up to the A15 landing site, when you have failed to align the Clementine and Orbiter images correctly (as proven by the mis-matched craters)?"

No, the subject is when I line up the images your way (as you shall see in tomorrow's video) various craters are mismatched. And you're telling me that I got the images wrong?!

[HeadLikeARock]

tinyurl com / selene - a15

Stalkervision? Jarrah? Anyone?

Accurate match, or inaccurate?

[WhiteJarrah]

"tinyurl com / selene - a15

Stalkervision? Jarrah? Anyone?

Accurate match, or inaccurate?"

First of all: your images flash through way too fast for anyone to see anything.

Second: earlier you were complaining that my comparison was invalid because the Clementine picture was a composite of many pictures. Which is it?

Third: if I mismatched the photographs, why is the squiggly canyon matching up?

[HeadLikeARock]

It's quite clearly indicated with the red arrows that show th craters are not matched up. If you can't see it, take screenshots at the relevant timestamps and examine the differences at your leisure.

The squiggly canyon (Hadley Rille) doesn't accurately match up.

You've basically mis-matched the images by the same amount that you claim the dark splotch is away from the A15 landing site. When you accurately match up the craters arrowed in my GIF, they're a perfect match.

[WhiteJarrah]

"When you accurately match up the craters arrowed in my GIF, they're a perfect match."

Already tried to match them up your way in Sony Vegas: they aren't a perfect match. Various craters are off center. Care to explain why?

[HeadLikeARock]

Do you admit that you didn't match the images up correctly in your video analysis? That's the important thing here, since it is your claim that the dark splotch in the Clementine analysisisn't where the A15 landing site is. I'm showing you that your claim is invalid, because you failed to align the images accurately.

So, do you retract the claim?

[WhiteJarrah]

Answer my question: why are various craters off-center when I try to match it up your way?

[HeadLikeARock]

Stop changing the subject! For starters I don't have access to your Sony Vegas comparison so how can I possibly comment?

What we do have access to is your video, and my GIF that shows several craters that are noticeably mismatched, by a similar distance and direction that you claim the dark splotch and the A15 landing site are.

Clearly you made an error in your analysis, I'm just giving you the opportunity, as a self-professed seeker of truth, to admit your error and withdraw the claim.

[WhiteJarrah]

"Stop changing the subject!"

I ain't. I asked you why craters are off center when I match it up to your specifications.

"For starters I don't have access to your Sony Vegas comparison so how can I possibly comment?"

Easily rectified. Expect a new video up shortly.

[PikeSdream]

Have you compared the sites of apollo with the footage john lenard walson has on yt?

great analysis by the way.

[HeadLikeARock]

tinyurl com / selene - a15

Are you still unable to see how poorly Jarrah matched the Clementine and Lunar Orbiter images of the Apollo 15 landing site?

I think I've made it pretty clear in the animated GIF. No comment from Jarrah yet on this one, which is disappointing.

[HeadLikeARock]

Don't put words into my mouth! I never said he used the paint programme, neither did I say he was trying to deceive you.

I said you can use 'Paint . NET' to figure out why he was wrong - just like I did.

Now, stop changing the subject, and address the issue I've highlighted. I've shown you why he's wrong. Either refute it, accept it, or carry on with the cheap jibes.

Your choice.

[HeadLikeARock]

You're not looking hard enough.

tinyurl com / selene - a15

(Delete the spaces and ut in a dot).

Like I said, he did a poor job of matching those images!

[HeadLikeARock]

Put your money where your mouth is.

Is Jarrah's JAXA/Clementine analysis at 6:22 accurate enought to show that the dark splotch can't be the Apollo 15 landing site or not?

[HeadLikeARock]

Do Jarrah a favour and prove his theory about the Clementine/Apollo 5 landing site is correct.

Or, carry on with the cheap jibes. The choice is yours.

[HeadLikeARock]

I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. I'm confident my opinion on this matter is correct and supported by the evidence, without having to resort your mildy wearisome teenage jibes.

[HeadLikeARock]

"It's just your personal opinion. "

My opinion that he made a mistake rather than tried to deceive? Very probably.

A poor job of matching up the terrain isn't opinion. It's a fact that anyone with the ability to download the relevant images, and use image software such as Paint. NET can verify for themselves.

Try it. Then you can decide for yourself whether you think he made a genuine goof, or whether he was trying to fool the casual viewer. I vote for the first option.

[HeadLikeARock]

Feel free to post on my comments board, and explain in detail why the simple and easy to understand comparison is wrong. This board should be reserved for discussing the video.

[HeadLikeARock]

I'm sorry but that comment is a mixture of half-truths, falsehoods, misrepresentations and over-simplifications.

It might satisfy the wide-eyed "I want to believe!" crew, but not any serious investigators.

[Rob260259]

Keep the faith Stalkervision. It's better for you and your environment.

No, I wish I could work for NASA. But they don't need me. Besides, there's not a NASA-division in Holland.

[Rob260259]

Each year an independent peer review panel evaluates new research proposals, and curators mail out about 400 lunar samples to 40 to 50 scientists worldwide.

Are all these men and women dumbasses?

Are they payed by NASA to keep 'the secret' and draw convenient conclusions?

Where are all the scientists that doubt the moonlandings of Apollo?

Why is it that only a few YouTube-detectives, conspiracy-theorists and political distrusters believe in this ridiculous hoax?

[Rob260259]

Another Jarrah White! Who are you really? Most scientists worldwide are not payed by NASA.

So you are another 'wire-believer'..? LOL

Sorry, I'm not going to discuss with hoaxtards. Keep the faith, it's better for you and your environment.

[HeadLikeARock]

At 6:30 you did a VERY poor job of trying to match up the terrain. If I was being less generous, I'd say the deception was deliberate. Being a generous guy, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time.

[WhiteJarrah]

"At 6:30 you did a VERY poor job of trying to match up the terrain."

I beg to differ. The Quality of the Clemetine picture makes it somewhat difficult to see, which is why I was sure to use AS15-M-1135. They match up perfectly.

[HeadLikeARock]

Fraid not. Looks like you've pasted the hi-res frame over the Clementine image too far to the NW. You can see this by checking the edge of the crater in the SE of the overlay: it doesn't match anywhere near the crater visible further SE in the Clementine image. If you do the overlap correctly, the splotch is an accurate match for the landing site.

[Rob260259]

You are damn right Head.

[HeadLikeARock]

The Clementine image you used is a processed composite of 52 separate images. Which renders the entire premise of this section of your video invalid.

[3ws] lpi usra edu / meetings / lpsc2001 / pdf / 1075 pdf

Further, the spoldge can't be a crater as all the other craters exhibit a shadow and a portion lit by the sun, this one has no uch highlight.

[WhiteJarrah]

"Further, the spoldge can't be a crater as all the other craters exhibit a shadow and a portion lit by the sun, this one has no uch highlight."

Splotch C also shows no highlight. Is C a spacecraft too?

[HeadLikeARock]

What evidence do you have that it is a crater? You do understand that the Clementine picture isn't a single image, but processed from 52 other images taken at slightly different angles?

[marsL001]

i second that un4g1v3n1

[arareflux]

Apollo never landed on the moon.

QED.

[pt1gard]

another believer, i love it, welcome aboard! lotsa peeps on YT know the truth and want to spread the word :)

[Rob260259]

Sounds like a welcome to some sectarian church or something. I'm going to stay incredulous. The moonlandings really happened guys, get over it.

[pt1gard]

whats your source it happened? school, TV, hear it every day o the street, such as, "hey we went to the moon, you can be anything you want!" ... how many hours have you spent studying it ?... just answer the question and dont get off topic and ad hominem ... thanks :)

[Rob260259]

My sources are various. My former collegues, my studies, my work and last but not least my relationship with scientists.

What are your sources the moonlandings were faked?

[pt1gard]

1000 hours of combing and reading ... what scientist that isnt paid off by nasa says man went to the moon ... and you ask why i know we didnt go?--bc i use my eyes to beat the lunar lies ...

go to my vid, SHOT PUT, DL it, then run it 1/4 speed and tell me the nauts backpack isnt wire yanked in defiance of newtonian principles ... if you say it isnt, you are either blind or a shill ... simple as that.

[un4g1v3n1]

You should really get in touch and see if Mr. Adaptive optics has any new news for you...