@SuperLemonfish But he's faster and more agile than mario if you ask me unlike any power characters he has higher jump,reflexes and somersault bowser does have a fighting stance other than that bowser does have minions that have a powerful moves like the koopa bros which it could knock anyone away he even has a bullet bill,torpedo ted,bonzai bill,king bill,mad bullet bill and the freaking big bullet bill.
@samlikpie But bowser managed to survive all that he has the power to turn people into objects,enemies,etc. well he however can attack other species that are related to the ones that does or does not neighbored around the mushroom kingdom well he also had the most powerful armies too and that he should receive the ultimate power that he will finally rule the mushroom knigdom eggman died in sonic 1,2,CD and 3 mario isn't fat he is big boned and had a bit chubby on his side mario is good at that
@Maplewolf283 ill try one last time, ok! let me ask you this, do you think that if bowser or his minions was shot in the face with a machine gun they would die? do you think that if they wer shot in the face with a RPG they would die? do you think that if they had a saw blade smashing their face at the speed of sound they would die? do you think that they would die if they had a giant chain saw stabbing them? or a super lazer? how about all that at once? if not, give legit reasons why!
@SuperLemonfish Because bowser's minions which it could be either invincible,giant,metallic armored,rock armored which it has infinite defense,catapillar small and giant or the hammer,fire,boomerang and ice this is what he has and also he had these koopa kids that could have strength or so they however can counter the freaking robots he has alot and eggman's minions could stay in the same but bowser's isn't that's my reason why.
@Maplewolf283 none of bowsers minions are invincible, big doesnt mean you can get your brain blown out and live, metalic means nothing they can be blown up just the same, rock is less usefull than metal, catapillar? hammers? fire? boomerang? ice? thats just stupid. they can be blown up too. especialy big catapillars. and having strength doesnt mean you can get shot by a cannons and live. i dont understand that last part. but think of better reasons!
@SuperLemonfish Well chain chomps,wigglers (other in the super mario sunshine version) and king bill are and they can beat robots no these rock creatures aren't invincible but they had an infinite defense boomerang is quite inreflectible not even the hammer,fire and ice bowser also had a charging chuck,a sumo bro and the sledge bro which they are tough enough bowser also had these koopa kids which they could be strong enough bowser's minion kamek had a harry hedgehogs which they can move quick.
@Maplewolf283 dude they are not invincible. mario cant kill them but they are NOT invincible! so quit with it! they are just not weak enuf to be killed from mario jumping on them. dude its a wooden stick it would do nothing to a robot and a hammer is better but it still is just a hammer and would do no more than a scratch. remember they are going against machine guns? so sumo bro gets shot and killed same with sledge bro and the koopa kids. dont you understand?
@SuperLemonfish But it has the black iron thing and that their shell is extremely durible so it could handle anything and bullets that it isn't a projectile you know how it does Koopa kids had these shells too you don't understand that and i understand it chain chomps are made of metal or iron i said chain chomps are invincible bullets can't even shoot through chain chomps can charge at them not even egg pawns and fighters will stand a chance.
@Maplewolf283 turtle shells cant handle anything, especialy not lazers bullets and bombs, also their head is exposed so they would die anyway. yes chain chomps are made of metal but what i dont understand is why you thing a chain chomp is invincible but think a robot would be killed by a boomerang! they are both metal! anyway i already told you superlazers and bombs would blow chain chomps to pieces and eggman has magnets to deal with them too.
@SuperLemonfish The turtle shell is tough and it is made of steel and eggman never builded magnets and it's think stop making mistakes here you really think that bowser's minions are weak enough to not withstand eggman's robots they have most abilities yeah chain chomps can kill robots and they will bark at that bowser had the most powerful dark Koopatrols,Kent.C Koopa,Boos,Petey Piranha,Chief Chilly,Big Bulls,Bulls,Clubbas,Hyper Clefts,Clefts,Monty Moles,gloombas,paragoombas we have many armies
@Maplewolf283 -_- turtle shells arnt made of steel..... they are made of somthing similair to bone. and eggman does have magnets, play sonic and knuckles the second zone is full of them. its no mistake. and eggman has just as many minions as you listed there. the difference is all of eggmans are faster stronger made of metal and have real weapons like swords maces lazer guns rocket launchers chain saw swords machine guns ext.
@Maplewolf283 you arnt doing a good job of telling me why bowser could survive that. you are telling me 2 things one is that chomps and wigglers are invincible and the other is that there are sumo bros and sledge bros but gues what, they can still get blown up and shot. also how can a boomerang hurt a robot? and a hammer is almost as bad because they are made of metal too and throwing a hammer at one would do nothing! cmmon dude tell me how bowser could survive!
@IshmelBugatti Wait are you talking about eggman's iq? He has 300 3 freaking hundred and by the way and then again still he only did that in a non canon tv show sonic x and still eggman is not as great as bowser does he can't even beat peach back in super princess peach.
@GammaWALLE But bowser has different kinds off his minions not just he had a turtle and bowser had his ultimate goal is to rule the mushroom world and possibly the universe so there.
@Are115020 My point is that bowser can do other things besides stealing a princess and do nothing well sometimes and bowser got butt whooped by her in super princess peach when he kidnaps the heroes that always spoils his plans so he tried to send armies to destroy peach but it failed and in a final battle he wouldn't stand a chance against her at all and that bowser only helps mario so that he will back to his scedule you get the idea.
@SuperLemonfish I've already seen it eggman not only defeating super sonic with his early design of egg dragoon but his cleverness has got him around he breaks the planet but he isn't completely awakened.
@Maplewolf283 yea and so why dont you see that eggman with his eggdragoon and a fleet of space ships and the death egg and and army of robots and a second fleet of space ships and the flying battery and the wing fortress and the egg carrier and the eggcarrier 2 and hyper metal sonic and metal knuckles and silver sonic and mecha sonic (sonic and knuckles) and a shit load of other boss mechs could beat bowser? not to mention the armys of robots theres like millions of them!
@SuperLemonfish Yeah i seen that alot but it is renamed metal sonic instead of hyper metal sonic that metal sonic no longer has sonic's personality but he has it on his own Metal knuckles? Still not better than metal sonic. Silver sonic? He's not that good like metal sonic does. Mecha sonic? Metal had his abilities like copy life data and the abilities of the life forms that eggman made him to do that eggman had other things besides the past warships i better go with egg fleet.
@Maplewolf283 metal knuckles throws missles and is as stong as knuckles is. silver sonic is just as fast as sonic and has his attacks but he is tougher and can shoot spikes. hyper metal sonic is from sonic cd, he is many times faster than sound can fly create an energy shield and do everything elts sonic can. mecha sonic from sonic and knuckles is like silver sonic but with more durability and he can go super with a chaos emereld. sonic heros metal can copy data and grow stronger
@SuperLemonfish Heroes get it right he scans the life data from others and and replicate not only their abilities but his form which it is powerful or not but bowser had a doomship which that had a part metallic in it he has a thousands of them he had the koopa kids,harry hedgehogs,magikoopas,hammer bros,koopatrols,electrokoopas,wigglers,shy guys,etc. Not to mention these alternative counterparts of goombas and koopas that could be powerful enough to beat the bolts out of them and bam!
@Maplewolf283 so you think wooden ships that with cannons that shoot their cannon balls slower than a person can run, could beat metal ships with future age cannons that fly faster and are bigger? they are far superior in EVERY way. even if parts of the doom ship are metal that is still pathetic in comparison. also did i not explain how all those minions are useless? eggman has guns explosives metal speed and numbers on his side. bowser has mushrooms
@SuperLemonfish But bowser has a different kinds of armies which it could either have speed,power,strength and skills that can easily counter mario bowser has a numerous bullet bills and others that can blast them away.
@Maplewolf283 badniks are faster, stronger and all have weapons that can easy kill the weakling minions bowser has. bullet bils move to slow to hit anything and are completely useles because of that. besides eggman has better cannons. bowser has nothing on eggman, because everything eggman has is better than bowsers in every way. in speed strength stamina defence, attack and numbers, eggmans creations take the cake easily. there will be no blasting away! unless its bowser!
@SuperLemonfish Except the wigglers which are big enough just because badniks have better defense,speed,stamina,strength and power doesn't mean they have enough weapons to kill these minions bowser has right now do you for get that ludwig also build these robots well he isn't much of an inventor as iggy maybe. Don't forget that koopa kids can take on these robots so can the koopatrols armors and robots are made of a same thing magikoopa's magic had these effects on these machines if you know it.
@Maplewolf283 actualy they DO have the weapons to kill them. have i not said this enough? lazers, missiles,bombs spikes, saws, drills, blades, pincers, cannons, flme throwers, machine guns, chain saw swords, lances, rpgs, and so on! and why do you think that ludwigs and iggys robots would do so much better than eggmans? is it because you are a bias prick? i think so. oh and how about this, eggman also has shadow androids. do you know about them?
@SuperLemonfish Yeah they are complete although it might have some glitches bowser has many weapons too ludwig and iggy could develop some weapons that could help don't get me wrong well bowser's minions had more abilities and equipments just like robots have you're hard witted that you cannot know that bowser's minions had some or more abilities that these robots have and eggman's minions may have lances,machine guns,etc. But they have bullet bills,bonzai, a slow but big missle like king bill.
@Maplewolf283 but remember ALL of these metal sonics are at least as fast as the real sonic if not faster and also they are more durable have more powerful spin dashes and jumps. so in other words bowser is totaly screwed because he has to fight all of them at once AND millions of other robots, battle ships, 30 foot mechs the death egg and so on. there is no way bowser can win.
@Are115020 You're obdurate why can't you accept that he had more armies that could be quite aggressive? And you know what he had many armies besides these koopas that are related to the koopa troops.
@SuperLemonfish Well you're both stubburn you cannot face facts that bowser and eggman had a similar armies,ships,flying objects and weapons they both developed both have something in common like stealing power sources and stuff to make sure that they will in a similar way like: bowser will eventually rule the universe which he tried to do that (almost) and eggman will rule the world successfuly (again almost).
@Maplewolf283 i never once said that bowser and eggman wer disimilar, but i did say that all the things they have in common eggman does better. like there ships for example metal > wood see? thats why eggman wins.
and could you please answer my previos post with the cut to the chase thing? because all you disproved last time was one small robot.
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has a laser drone and mecha koopa it is a wind up but it shoots fire and mecha koopa is technically a robot wood does have a metallic part bowser shoots bullet bill,mad bullet bill,bonzai bill,king bill,bouncy bullet bill etc. We have so many missle like enemies that means King Bill>>>>>>>>>>>will pwn eggman's robots weapons none of eggman's weapons can stop the invincible king bill not even lasers so bowser wins and bowser's minions had a strong abilities if you ask me.
@Maplewolf283 mecha koopas are not any better than badniks, and are just slower and weaker. all those bullet bills are also extremely slow, so they would not be able to hit anything. and as for the bonzai bill, it is not invincible and could be destroyed (but it would take alot) but it is also slow so it would also not hit anything. any way eggman has cannons too and many more fire breathing robots. but eggmans his are better.
@SuperLemonfish I'm not saying mecha koopas are better than badniks but it has two abilities running and breathing fire that could burn them and King Bill is invincible i played it and nothing can break him not even the invincibility form neither these lasers and other weapons they possessed and you don't understand how king bill cannot be harmed bullet bills aren't that extremely slow they move at speeds if you didn't know i said king not bonzai eggman's robots have nothing on them.
@Maplewolf283 Well bullet bills are made of metal and they chosed to sacrifice themselves which the are either brave or extremely unintelligent or both bowser's cannon had unlimited bullet bills which they have developed that means they might have a chance against eggman's cannons.
@Maplewolf283 no they have ZERO chance to beat eggmans cannons, because eggmans go faster and because of that they hit harder. they are also "brave" because they are not alive and there is an infinite amount of them. so in other words eggmans cannons are just faster more hard hitting versions of bowsers cannons.
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has a cannon too that had you know the infinite amount of bullet bills which it will probably enough to blast these missles and cannons mad bullet bill can even stop the missles and these robots bowser's minions kamek had developed harry hedgehogs that are technically part of a koopa troops which can move quick like sonic does bowser also had these bulls which are powerful enough they are fast too you know king bills beats eggman's weapons so does bonzai bill don't you see
@Maplewolf283 so if they are not better than why are you telling me about them? they would be killed and because of this will not help bowser in a fight. and guess what, just because mario cant destroy a king bill that doesnt mean that eggman could not. and yes bullet bills are VERRY slow mario can walk as fast as they go, and remember eggmans robots are all fast. so they would not hit anything
@SuperLemonfish Unlike badniks mecha koopas cannot be defeated with a jump except you have to do the ground pound they are near indestructible well eggman's robots,koopatrol armors and bullet bills are made of metal that it was designed. That means if someone goes aggressively attack them they will attack you back because of a hard armor see bullet bills can defeat eggman's robots because they were made of metal also and bowser had these other armies that are related to a koopa troops so yeah.
@Maplewolf283 come on, respond to my argument! 1. death egg, egg robos and all bosses 2. all badnicks, there are millions of them and there are factories constantly building more 3. all robot sonics (silver, mecha, hyper metal, sonic heros mecha) 4. high rank badnicks ( shadow androids, e100, e101, e102 series, e103, e104, e105, e107, all bosses not piloted by eggman, mecha knuckles) 5.chaos 6.the egg fleet, egg carior 1 and 2 and all the old school flying forteses
@Are115020 Why can't you admit that they are both awesome i like them so and i'm not saying that bowser's armies are better than eggman's i'm saying that had an onslot of these abilities which they you know with weapons and stuff.
@SuperLemonfish You really think bowser is slow enough to beat around he has the dark magic,his strength and other skills he possesses yeah these other sonic robots don't have a chance except metal sonic.
@Maplewolf283 yea bowser IS slow enough to beat up. look at super mario 64, mario ran circles around him! so now take robots many times faster than cars are, and bowser is screwed! also bowsers black magic is limited and wont help him from getting a bullet through the head, or a lazer or any of the other things i have already told you about. besides even if bowser could kill badnics by himself there is still just too many!
@SuperLemonfish Bowser is actually agile he can jump high,do a back flip and use a power stomp he's faster than mario but slower than anybody else well actually he to force things up he's got a koopa clown car that can fly and fire things which it could kill these eggman's robots iggy can build machines so eggman's robots cannot reach in the air for a minimum of 4 seconds and that aside iggy uses machines to blast them into oblivion and eggman is getting ticked off his kids had some tactics.
@Maplewolf283 bowser is NOT agile! he is slow and mario runs circles around him. and jumping and flying does nothing to stop them from being shot and killed. besides many of eggmans bots can fly too. and why do you think that the clown car is better than the eggpod? and why do you think that the fire balls bowser shoots while in the clown car could blast them into oblivion but missiles couldent? you are SOOOOOOO ridiculous it hurts!
@SuperLemonfish Yeah according to mariowiki bowser is more agile and faster than mario but not to speed characters (besides being more agile) egg pawns can't fly neither do egg fighters i never seen them do that except the other E-Series that can other than the egg pawns and fighters clown car can shoot fire,cannon balls,fly and drop mecha koopas you're so ridiculous that eggman's robots are better than bowser's minions im not saying that koopa clown car is better than egg pod.
@Maplewolf283 wiki ? my source is the actual game which is much more reliable. but buzz bombers can the octopus ones can the sea horce ones can the bats can the lighting bugs can the egg robos can and many thers too. the clown car is nothing, one egg ship is manny times better. it can shoot lazers it has hundres of cannons on it and has thousnds of robots on board. the diference is that lazers beat fire his cannons are better and his bots are far superior to mecha koopas
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has cannons too you know you didn't see that the doomship does have a part metallic and it had a more defense other than that one he had alot of doomships if that aren't your thing bowser had 2 geniuses like ludwig and iggy ludwig is the strongest and mostly intelligent that he can in few games can build machines but he isn't an inventor like iggy iggy can even build the bigger robot that could be powerful enough to beat the bolts out of every robots eggman loses.
@Maplewolf283 yes i realise that, but they are smaller and they shoot reaaaaly slow moving rounds so they are useless. the robots ludwig and iggy make are pathetic and there are less of them anyway. look up the egg emporor and see one more reason eggman would win
@Maplewolf283 im going to cut to the chase again. 1. death egg, egg robos and all bosses 2. all badnicks, there are millions of them and there are factories constantly building more 3. all robot sonics (silver, mecha, hyper metal, sonic heros mecha) 4. high rank badnicks (mecha shadows, e100 e101 e102 e103 e104 e105 e107, all bosses not piloted by eggman, mecha knuckles) 5.chaos 6.the egg fleet, egg carior 1 and 2 and all the old school flying forteses
@SuperLemonfish I told you already it's heroes heroes heros is not a word and mecha shadow is a fan made and e-107 is not a real character E-100,101,102,103,104, and 105 is also gamma doesn't even count he isn't an ally to eggman anymore neither are omega which he was rejected and becomes allies to shadow and the others bowser has many bases too when you look at them guess what bowser also has a freaking topman and the buzzer thing he had alot of armies let alone creating these robots.
@Maplewolf283 mecha shadow is not fan made. they are a mass made robots by eggman and they can do everything shadow can but they also have missle launchers in their hands. look it up they are real, tipe in shadow androids. e107 is real he is from the comic and looks like e123. and yes e102 and e123 turned against eggman, but eggman had mas produced e102 as e1000 so there are actualy 10000s of them. which is actualy worse for bowser. anyway you are forgetting the rest!
@SuperLemonfish Well mecha shadow is a glitch clone of mecha sonic it is real but it is a non canon character and i don't see E-107 nobody did let me guess is this from the comics i don't forget the rest i just know it all just because he made these robots does not mean they are indestructible and i seen it that shadow androids can shoot missles from their hands e-102 and e-1000 are slow they e-1000 lacks target seeking but not gamma you're forgetting the rest that iggy can even build robots,etc
@Maplewolf283 it is in two of the games how is that not canon? they are not slow in fact they are much faster than anything bowser has and they dont lack targeting, sonic is just too hard to hit. E-101 in his rebuilt form kicks ass and if he and thousands of E102s all attacked they would be unstopible! what robots does iggy make? mecha koopas right? mecha koopas are slow moving and are less durable than eggmans robots (because a ground pound is less powerfull than a spin dash)
@SuperLemonfish Iggy would make a bigger,faster and the stronger robots that could counter the E-Series and he however can build the GOMP that clones these robots and they will not tell the difference here and he also had the robots that are designed to counterattack let's see here we have the laser drone,we have mecha bowser,we have megahammer,digga leg and the freaking mega leg which it should have an arm that stops the E-Series and that bowser has these koopa bros and anti guys that can match
@Maplewolf283 thats dumb, and none of iggys robots are better than e1000. whats a gomp? well the lazer drone is just an average minion, mecha bowser is WAY to slow to do anything and would be destroyed from the egg breaker or the death egg or egg dragoon. megahammer is big but he is also verry slow and his weak points are huge and easy to hit, digga leg is useless on normal ground, and megalegs weak point onley takes one hit and it is an easy target for one of eggmans ships
@SuperLemonfish Well GOMP or whatever is the robot that has an ink in the bucket,sand,etc. Megahammer doesn't have a cockpit it is made you know entirely metal Digga leg is metal that has a spike on it if you didn't know megaleg that represents snifit is a giant robots it can shoot bullet bills and can stop when iggy rebuilds it this time it is even more powerful without being powered up if so it already has the power to do that megaleg this time have an arm and megahammer has a huge hammer btw.
@Maplewolf283 megahammer has those blue balls which are its weak points and he is very slow, also doesnt have any way to move and so if he were on earth, eggman could easily sit out of his range and shoot his weak points a few times to kill him. and megaleg onley takes one hit to destroy if you hit the top of its head. also digga leg has his whole head as a weak spot which means 3 shots and he is dead. and all of them are realy slow. mario bosses are to slow for eggman!
@SuperLemonfish Glass is what you mean Iggy can even builded one that would cover it well mario bosses that had possessed speed which that matches for eggman they are not inferior i rather make this fast and advanced way than making it slow and not much of an expert bowser had an hedgehog armies that had quick paces which kamek found them and that he will use a sonic's appearence and others which it will be enough to bring eggman's robots into slim and koopatrol had the superior attacks also.
@Maplewolf283 i dont understand any of this. all i get is that bowser has hedge hog armies. and that they are fast. well i have seen them before and they arnt that fast, they are faster than mario but not by that much so against eggmans minions it would be slow
@SuperLemonfish You'll find out and by the way koopatrol's armor is also extremely durable they had some superior abilities like the ultimate shell,charge,running attack etc. hammer bros had the multihammer throw,hammer throw hammer attack and other abilities they have learned they are the elite fighters and he also had a petey piranha that he had the ability to fly,head attacks,spit out goops he has intelligence which it was limited but he rarely uses his head and others...
@Maplewolf283 yea i know about koopatrol, its just a koopa with armor, still slow and still weak. i mean cmon, armor wont stop a missile or lazer beam. and throwing hammers is pathetic, not onley would it barley put a scratch of the badnicks they have longer range attacks! also badniks are fast enough to dodge the hammers easy. and a flying parana it is probably more dangerous than a koopatroll, but it can be killed just as easy.
@Are115020 yea, and i had tryed to stop but he brought me back. besides it has become, i dont know a quest? or uh like a personal mission to stop every argument he has untill he runs out or somthing, which probably will never hapen.
@Are115020 Just don't talk about whose better they are both great i respect that and you eggman fans stop bringing up that he's better and you know what koopa troops and eggman's armies does developed a weapons don't be arrogant about it.
Maplewolf283, I'm gonna say it for the last time. Sonic is too fast to be hit. No, seriously. It doesn't matter how big bowser is. Do you know how a bullet works? The entire danger of it comes from the speed it travels at. Sonic would be like a bullet that just pierce bowser until he was dead - And he always got Super Sonic to handle the worst. Look, I agree, both franchises are great and so are their icons - But when you are so fast and can rip through everything you are unbeatable.
@Luxai Well yes but some speedsters can match sonic's for example toad,yoshi you know that bowser has power and sonic has speed and sonic still moving to mach 1 speed however any sonic universe that are far beyond sonic's level every sonic characters is not close to sonic's level except shadow unless sonic he hits the wall or the ones that shoot cannon or you get the idea it doesn't matter who is faster it's about they will try their best.
@Maplewolf283 No dude. NOTHING can match Sonics Speed except Metal Sonic, understand? I know he seems slow in some games and such, but the official facts is that he can break the sound barrier in mere SECONDS and has an average speed of 765 miles per hour.
@Luxai Metal is much faster than sonic then so metal is a without a doubt is the fastest but sonic isn't giving up anytime sonic never reaches mach 5 so it beats sonic and i know he can match sonic's speed i'm not stupid i researched it all and last time i checked he can i also searched about toad he is fast and he is a speed demon and he's strong lets think about that metal actually whoops sonic but sonic can't be beat again.
@Maplewolf283 Listen dude. I have no idea what Mach 5 is, but when you're going faster than sound, nothing is gonna catch you - Not toad, not bowser, not mario, not yoshi, not a rocket, or a cart, or a bullet - Nothing. I feel like I'm misunderstanding you a lot because your english is quite poor.
@Luxai Yeah except sonic can be stopped by metal sonic or a near invincible enemies or some powerful enemies and guess what i'm faster than anyone yet in my place.
@Luxai Ok speaking of that how about sonic can take on metal sonic without any super form is that it? Metal is faster than sonic but sonic can find a way like he can use tornado on him that metal sonic can't.
@Maplewolf283 There have been several Metal Sonic's. The one in Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes ain't the same for example. And in CD you could not even hurt him, you could only beat him in a race at which point he died, for some odd reaosn - The one seen in Heroes though is the latest and the most powerful one, and that one took 12 heroes and 3 super hedgehogs to beat.
Just stop trying man, you don't even know what you are talking about. You say lazers, Sonic dodges lazers in every game. You say huge things with lightning and claws, stuff that Sonic beats easily - and they are metal. You say "can counter Sonic's speed" no dude, NOTHING can, except Metal Sonic - Look, like I said, it's different universes, but can you give any reasons why a robot army with superior technology would lose? And why Sonic would lose to anything that slow?
@Luxai Mario can dodge lasers and dangerous traps i like both they have similar gamings after all sonic is speedy and mario is an all arounder well sonic only uses speed which he relies on and mario uses his skills,power,stamina and stuff.
@Maplewolf283 Ever seen Sonic push heavy metal boxes around and liftning other heavy stuff? Coz I have. he's strong alright, also good at martial arts - Plus the fact that an impact at the speed of sound would prodouce a heavier blow than anything moving at like 5% of that speed can ever produce. Sure, mario is not SLOW.... Just that compared to Sonic he's a snail.
@Luxai Yeah but mario is beast at combat he knows how to create fire attacks that mario trained which he can do it without a fire flower when you look at him he actually can learned fire attacks though he even utilizes they combat skills he actually knows martial arts too sonic's strength isn't good as mario does mario can lift things out of the ground and mario even owned the castle mario had all the combined skills which he learned that means mario experence all things he has learned.
@Maplewolf283 Speed>strength. Can't hurt what you can't hit. Fire shield negates fire damage. Check the Sonic vs Mario deathmatcn and you should get the idea.
@Luxai That's a non canon video it doesn't even count Mario is all around character what could all around should have any means to had all speed for that matters mario is all around not power.
@Maplewolf283 I'm aware that video is purely fanmade - but it DOES show that Sonic can counter Marios powerups with his own. And once they're out of them Mario is no match for Sonic's natural speed. I don't understand how I can make this any clearer to you. Sonic is too fast to be hit by anything in the Mario universe, Metal Sonic even surpasses him, and the impact of a blow at sound speed is far greater than what you can achieve with raw strength. The same way that bullets work.
@Luxai Yeah but it doesn't even count as a win he's got a high stamina that mario can run longer without exhaustion i think that sonic's and mario fames are clearly unmatched they don't know if sonic's or mario's are greater or not and mario can even use fire attacks in some games without a fire flower mario is all around he actually knows skills and he learns some new abilities that he soon mastered it however sonic doesn't like thaking things slow but any marioverse can surpass sonic's speed.
@Maplewolf283 how does that not count as a win? bowser cant hit metal sonic, that means he cant hurt him. and metal sonic can smash through steel like it was paper, that means he can CUT BOWSERS HEAD OFF. and it means he can kill everything elts from the mario universe. and that doesnt count as a win HOW? explain one time bowser survived somthing that could move faster than sound and could smash steel that easy. huh? not to mention the rest of the army. you must be trollin
@SuperLemonfish Mario's power ups doesn't have a time limit and that he can switch power ups if it wasn't enough bowser does have many abilities like: backflip,stomp,teleportation,curled into a spiked ball,rock,dark spin,summon lighting bolts,transformed into giant,metal and giga (It's official and it is non canon fighting game like SSBB),Spinning shell attack,using ztar,dark spin,jump high,flamethrower,fire ball,using claws and duck with his shell,ground pound,make shockwaves etc. that means.
Bowsers and robotnik are fighting Alone, if you heard. bowsers giga bowser would tear any egg robot/dragoon/flying machine......simple.....flamethrowers, claws and black magic owns steel....
Giga Bowser isnt even in the Mario canon dipshit. He was created just for Super Smash Bros. Even if he was canon., he's too slow. Eggman's mechs can bomb the shit out of "big and mighty" Giga Bowser before the koopa can touch them!
Lol, I can't tell if you're putting on a show or actually having a bit of a friendly fight there. Consider acting you two.
That said, Bowser himself is very strong, much stronger than Robbtnik, but the good old eggster got a mechanical army - Things that would pwn Bowsers army. No matter how strong Bowser is, he can't withstand a robotnc army on his own.
@Luxai Yes he can after all he has almost all stamina that surpasses wario he has the shell spin,spiked ball,dark spin,high jumps and stomp,punch combat skills,teleport etc he has the most powerful enemies like dark koopatrol and the tough one like Sledge bros,sumo bros,hammer bros,fire bros,ice bros and the boomerang bros also, the yet powerful koopa wizard liek magikoopas there that can match against eggman's armies that means bowser armies has more abilities than eggman's how's that?
@Luxai But metal only requires transformation from the part of the air fleet offense or defense attacks but metal is not invincible he is kinda hard to beat well bowser's son might had some shadow mario transformation and metal sonic had his own abilities he can dash and jump faster than sonic he has the top accelerations and some reasons he has the jet flying super speed and the overdrive he has the black shield that could block all attacks that means he is better than all of sonic's robots.
@Maplewolf283 uhh if a punch from mario is bowsers weak point then a lazer or bomb or saw blade or flme thrower or huge drills or spinning swords or a huge wreaking ball or a bunch of spike centipiedes and metal piranahs biteing and stabbing him would totaly f*ck him up
@SuperLemonfish Well bowser's shell that cannot be break but mario can still spin punch him up so yeah but bowser survived all that he's like is like a survivor that bowser can never be killed and guess what bowser also has the spikes,horns and the big shell which it has the combination of spiky shell and that's why they call him bowser he's a tough turtle-demon that could whoop anyone's scrawny booties.
@Maplewolf283 he can be killed, everything can be killed, and just because he has spikes and a real tough shell, that doesnt mean eggman couldent just put a lazer through his head. got it? they are in completely diferent classes!
@Maplewolf283 the reason he never is killed with one hit is because 1 he is tough and 2 because mario doesnt have verry powerfull attacks. if mario had a rocket lancher a lazer gun and a lance (like egg pawns do) he would beat bowser easy. see? if eggman saw bowser he would send a squad of robots to kill him. they would shoot him up then blow him up and then stab him, he might be able to kill a few with his fire but their numbers and superior weaponry would win out easily
@SuperLemonfish Exactly he is nearly invincible that he can instinctly can't be blowned back and bowser's koopa troops does have weapons they used the very speedy or the slow rocketed but can't blowned back bullet bills but big giant ones can kill many kinds of robots it has a totally powerful blows that eggman's robots can't stop it that means he had a greater weapon that could totally blast him and his robots far off bam not even metal sonic can stop him yeah he has some abilities too.
@Maplewolf283 Metal Sonic can stop anything mate. NORMAL Sonic is way too fast to be hit and can rip through ROBOTS like paper - Bowser & Co is just flesh, and some shell, but if you can rip through steel then you can rip through shells. Metal Sonic is both faster and stronger, and let me remind you Sonic can run faster than sound and therefore pack a ridicolous impact. Also, "Sonics robots"? Lol. Anyways, Robotnik can build better of whatever Bowser can muster.
@Luxai Except that metal sonic can't stop a king bill it is a whopping bowser's best weapon it is very slow but it could obliterate the killer robots even metal sonic can't stop it and bowser had the destructible that is second to king bill bonzai,bullet you name it.
@Maplewolf283 Metal Sonic could stop that and anything else. I don't think you understand this. Metal is made of hard enough material to withstand a spinning ball of spikes hitting him at an impact of sound speed - Added to his own black shield and the fact that he is even faster than Sonic and can turn his body into deadly fire burniing through anything - I'm not biased here, just factual.
@Luxai Exactly that other sonic robots can't and even that eggman's top speedy sonic robot is deadly well sometimes anyone can beat him when someone is strong enough to do that.
@Maplewolf283 The statement that any other of Robotniks robots wouldn't be able to defeat any of Bowsers minions or Bowser himself is terribly inaccurate. Metal is stronger than flesh, and Robotnik has the numbers on his side. To be honest, there is only one who has ever defeated Metal - Sonic himself.
@Luxai But you think that metal is better than all those robots that failed to defeat sonic and metal sonic doesn't have super strength,speed,strategic or strong sense of freedom on his own but his copy ability he has that will match anyone's strength,speed,strategic etc. But seriously he actually can be defeated by anyone if that's for sure anyone that are strong enough to beat him could be either matched or unmatched name it state it.
@Maplewolf283 First of all, Metal Sonic does not "match" something - He simply adds it to his attributes thereby enhancing them. Think of it like Megaman. Second, Metal Sonic is without a doubt the best creation Robotnik has ever made - Thirdly, and I forgot to tell you this, the Metal Sonic I refer to is the latest - there has been more than one. It took every character from every Sonic game to beat the latest one and THREE Super hedgehogs. So yeah. Metal would squash Bowser & co
@Luxai Yeah exactly both metal sonic and megaman had some copy ability and actually Bowser's strength are colossal so that he can counterattack metal sonic his strength are greater than any other power characters his speed is lower and his skills are kinda ok but his stamina is secondly high bowser is not completely brains but a bit he is metal never even met silver except sonic and shadow that he already knows i'll tell you this metal may shoot the chest laser but bowser has spiked shell get it
@Maplewolf283 Look, I'm gonna try one more time. Metal Sonic, the one from Sonic Heroes - Have you seen how much he can evolve? Bowser is chanceless, it's not biased and not opinion, it's FACT - Seriously, you really believe a being of flesh could rip through indestructible living metal? I've made my comparisions and I see no hope for our old shelly friend. Has it ever taken 12 heroes to bring Bowser down? And did 3 of them have to harness the chaos itself to do it? Just... Geesh.
@Luxai Bowser has 2 transformations actually don't you think that this is getting a bit too serious? It doesn't matter that who has the better army it's about that they had a similar weapons and high tech equipments well metal sonic's forms are not invincible jeez man metal sonic wants to rule the world like he tried to and he betrayed eggman once i don't know whenever he does he can destroy enemies with a bit slow but useful projectiles he can even absorb some of eggman's offensive weapons.
@Maplewolf283 You're the one posting plethoras of comments, and you tell me this is getting a bit too serious? Metal Sonic=too fast to be hit and too durable to smash - Unless you're Sonic lol. Yeah, Bowser has robots, nothing like Robotnik though. Maybe because Robotnik makes them himself. Anyways, both franchises portray different universes. One is an army of slow walking koopas and goombas while the other are killer robots. Of course that's just the bulk, but you get the idea.
@Luxai Knuckles can too but probably isn't enough to counter him everyone can't beat him because its his high speed except sonic and shadow bowser had laser drones,mecha bowser,megaleg,digaleg and the freaking megahammer he had the machines powered up by the grandstar bowser had a lack of intelligence that doesn't mean he's dumb he's just hard headed and he fights using strength before thinking it. Bowser does have machines that he developed it kamek had knowledge about machines and stuff.
@Maplewolf283 for the last time bowsers NOT invincible! and bullet bills suck ass, they are two slow to hit anything. and eggman has fast robots, because they are designed to fight with sonic. if you think a bullet bill could hit metal sonic you are RETARTED no way in hell anything bowser has could hit him. here fight these arguments 1.metal sonic 2 death egg and all its bosses 3 all minions 4 they are made of steel 5 eggman has factories always building new robots
@SuperLemonfish I know he isn't he can be hit by enemies and the lava thing he fell on he also managed survive that well i know metal can beat anything else his strength might match bowser so does his speed which it surpassed sonic so this could mean eggman builded the best sonic robot that the others didn't well bowser has 7 koopa kids but not bowser jr which he is himself and i get it all and bowser had a similar assistance like eggman had yada yada yada i like both the way they can.
@Maplewolf283 what are you saying? do you agree eggman would win? if not, you didnt give any counter arguments. and those koopa kids arent going to be any help they are just smarter faster koopas and will still be killed by a missle just the same.
@SuperLemonfish Actually 2 of the koopa kids can build things but iggy is the only one who can build robots to counter enemies so iggy has an extreme intelligence that is beyond eggman's level and most of all eggman's armies maybe dangerous but bowser's might done that the same i'm not say that they are the worst i'm saying these armies are well obeyed and some of the power source that eggman had are powerful that can counter sonic's speed,agility and reflexes.
@Maplewolf283 no iggy koopa is not smarter than eggman. when iggy has space stations the sise of the moon and is able to completely rebuild and refit a hover craft (that can fly at super sonic speeds) in less than a minute come back and we will talk. yes koopas obey bowser to the letter, however they walk off clifs and are completely useles in battle as they dont actualy attack they just walk forward. and what dont you understand about lazer guns? huh? they shoot through things!
@SuperLemonfish Still even that had some outrageous flaws he still has the upper hand he's also hyperactive and he can spin around to make these foes dizzy like he did that to mario and luigi he is weak but not as weaker than he looks i know it all about sonic and mario characters i don't hate them i mean he has mechanical intellect that he builds robots for bowser and his siblings and also the koopa troopas how does that work?
@Maplewolf283 um just because he can run fast compared to mario doesnt mean anything. eggman robots (like i keep saying) are designed to combat speed. and what about koopa troopas? like i said they dont actualy attack they just walk (or fly) forward there, is NO way bowser can win. ok?
@SuperLemonfish But bowser had the laser drone which it is completely metal or steel so that might work hammer bros can attack by using hammers and boomerang bros can throw boomerangs they can move and throw stuff and goombas can charge at it isn't strong but it takes time to do it some of badniks never actually attack sonic except the buzz ones and the chameleon one just end it i like both.
@Maplewolf283 so bowser has ONE minion that shoots lazers, but many of eggmans robots shoot lazers too, so it isnt that special. boomarangs would just bounce off any of the badniks and hamers might hurt the small ones but again most badniks have guns so they dont have to get close enuff to be hit, oh and here are some of the robots that attack, buzz ,monkey, crab, piranah, drill face, octopus, chicken gunner,praying mantis. i will not end it till you admit eggman would win!
@SuperLemonfish Badniks have nothing to do with it so it isn't enough so he now builded eggman's robots so he can counter sonic's speed but they could be stopped and bowser had the same armies that they are never gonna give up well mostly but bowser actually had some surprise the freaking chain chomps that could totally crush eggman's robots that's enough to declare victory for him no bowser is not dumb he had trouble with intelligence bowser had some clever tactics you know what to say.
@Maplewolf283 Badniks = eggmans robots. so they have everything to do with this.
chain chomps are actualy a goot point. i hadent thought of that and they are very dangerous. so yes chain chomps could kill some badniks (ones that dont fly or move very fast) however thats not enuff to beat the entire army, and eggman can still blow them up with misiles and things like that. but for once i agree bowser has a useful minion. the thing is every minion eggman has is usefull in battle
@SuperLemonfish And there's more he also had a gigantic armies that can even crush eggman's robots he has Kent C. Koopa he is an extremely strong fighter that eggman's robots don't have a chance chain chomps are immune to missles and stuff bowser gots magikoopa,koopatrols,clubbas,shy guys and that bowser's minions had more abilities that eggman's as i said (previously but not that one) eggman's robots can't even counter that one how does that work? And he also recruited another army.
@Maplewolf283 kent c. is just a big turtle, he would be easy to beat. and chain chomps would not be imune to bombs missiles and lazers, its a big ball of metal, but eggmans robots are metal too, the onley diference is that he has millions of them and they all have weapons, where a chain chomp has to catch up to its enimy and bite it (remeber eggman has super fast robots) again all of bowsers minions can be killed easy, just shoot them then bomb the castle from orbit and move on
@SuperLemonfish He is more just a big turtle he is an extreme strong fighter extreme i tell you he is slow but he had the awesome ability such as the ground pound,punch and jump attack to smash anything he does kent c cannot be beaten and before you ask no he is not invincible he has the harder shell that nobody can't break any army is strong enough to counterattack these robots that means that bowser's newly found army which it has some metallic shell that had spikes on top,left and right etc.
@Maplewolf283 he is just a big turtle, and all it would take to kill him was one shot from a lazer gun. or a bazooka if thats what the badnik had at the time. remember robotnik has robots that use guns. guns beat slow moving turtles. not onley that but the guns shoot lazers! yea metal shells, robots already have metal. nomater what bowser does he is screwed. and you fail to answer what bowser would do about being bombed from orbit, and how he could beat metal sonic!
@SuperLemonfish Kent is extremely strong and it's only get it right bowser even his newly found armies can counter attack eggman's robots and that shell is extremely durible which it cannot be break metal sonic is not invincible i told you this is not how that works they are flesh but that doesn't mean they are weak they know what they do bowser has dark freaking magic and he can operate a machine that he could in yoshi's safari he stole the magical jewels and use it against them i like both.
@Maplewolf283 i saw him in paper mario....hes not that good, eggmans would pwn him, like i just said, with a bomb or somthing. umm metal sonic isnt invincible but he can rip through anything bowser has, because get this. HE IS A SAW GOING FASTER THAN SOUND. so he could cut right through bowser, and any other minion bowser has. dark magic wont help
a poor argument for eggman.
KavinCatastrophe 3 days ago
Do Captain Price versus Master Chief.
GunTamer19 5 days ago
did....did i win?
SuperLemonfish 6 days ago
@SuperLemonfish Well not really.
Maplewolf283 4 days ago
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SuperLemonfish 3 days ago
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Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish But he's faster and more agile than mario if you ask me unlike any power characters he has higher jump,reflexes and somersault bowser does have a fighting stance other than that bowser does have minions that have a powerful moves like the koopa bros which it could knock anyone away he even has a bullet bill,torpedo ted,bonzai bill,king bill,mad bullet bill and the freaking big bullet bill.
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@samlikpie But bowser managed to survive all that he has the power to turn people into objects,enemies,etc. well he however can attack other species that are related to the ones that does or does not neighbored around the mushroom kingdom well he also had the most powerful armies too and that he should receive the ultimate power that he will finally rule the mushroom knigdom eggman died in sonic 1,2,CD and 3 mario isn't fat he is big boned and had a bit chubby on his side mario is good at that
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
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Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 ill try one last time, ok! let me ask you this, do you think that if bowser or his minions was shot in the face with a machine gun they would die? do you think that if they wer shot in the face with a RPG they would die? do you think that if they had a saw blade smashing their face at the speed of sound they would die? do you think that they would die if they had a giant chain saw stabbing them? or a super lazer? how about all that at once? if not, give legit reasons why!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Because bowser's minions which it could be either invincible,giant,metallic armored,rock armored which it has infinite defense,catapillar small and giant or the hammer,fire,boomerang and ice this is what he has and also he had these koopa kids that could have strength or so they however can counter the freaking robots he has alot and eggman's minions could stay in the same but bowser's isn't that's my reason why.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 none of bowsers minions are invincible, big doesnt mean you can get your brain blown out and live, metalic means nothing they can be blown up just the same, rock is less usefull than metal, catapillar? hammers? fire? boomerang? ice? thats just stupid. they can be blown up too. especialy big catapillars. and having strength doesnt mean you can get shot by a cannons and live. i dont understand that last part. but think of better reasons!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Well chain chomps,wigglers (other in the super mario sunshine version) and king bill are and they can beat robots no these rock creatures aren't invincible but they had an infinite defense boomerang is quite inreflectible not even the hammer,fire and ice bowser also had a charging chuck,a sumo bro and the sledge bro which they are tough enough bowser also had these koopa kids which they could be strong enough bowser's minion kamek had a harry hedgehogs which they can move quick.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 dude they are not invincible. mario cant kill them but they are NOT invincible! so quit with it! they are just not weak enuf to be killed from mario jumping on them. dude its a wooden stick it would do nothing to a robot and a hammer is better but it still is just a hammer and would do no more than a scratch. remember they are going against machine guns? so sumo bro gets shot and killed same with sledge bro and the koopa kids. dont you understand?
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish But it has the black iron thing and that their shell is extremely durible so it could handle anything and bullets that it isn't a projectile you know how it does Koopa kids had these shells too you don't understand that and i understand it chain chomps are made of metal or iron i said chain chomps are invincible bullets can't even shoot through chain chomps can charge at them not even egg pawns and fighters will stand a chance.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 turtle shells cant handle anything, especialy not lazers bullets and bombs, also their head is exposed so they would die anyway. yes chain chomps are made of metal but what i dont understand is why you thing a chain chomp is invincible but think a robot would be killed by a boomerang! they are both metal! anyway i already told you superlazers and bombs would blow chain chomps to pieces and eggman has magnets to deal with them too.
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish The turtle shell is tough and it is made of steel and eggman never builded magnets and it's think stop making mistakes here you really think that bowser's minions are weak enough to not withstand eggman's robots they have most abilities yeah chain chomps can kill robots and they will bark at that bowser had the most powerful dark Koopatrols,Kent.C Koopa,Boos,Petey Piranha,Chief Chilly,Big Bulls,Bulls,Clubbas,Hyper Clefts,Clefts,Monty Moles,gloombas,paragoombas we have many armies
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 -_- turtle shells arnt made of steel..... they are made of somthing similair to bone. and eggman does have magnets, play sonic and knuckles the second zone is full of them. its no mistake. and eggman has just as many minions as you listed there. the difference is all of eggmans are faster stronger made of metal and have real weapons like swords maces lazer guns rocket launchers chain saw swords machine guns ext.
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Koopa Shell is extremely durible it can handle anything. It has a strong material you know.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 you arnt doing a good job of telling me why bowser could survive that. you are telling me 2 things one is that chomps and wigglers are invincible and the other is that there are sumo bros and sledge bros but gues what, they can still get blown up and shot. also how can a boomerang hurt a robot? and a hammer is almost as bad because they are made of metal too and throwing a hammer at one would do nothing! cmmon dude tell me how bowser could survive!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@IshmelBugatti Wait are you talking about eggman's iq? He has 300 3 freaking hundred and by the way and then again still he only did that in a non canon tv show sonic x and still eggman is not as great as bowser does he can't even beat peach back in super princess peach.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@GreenEyedGamer He is not racist he had an arrogant sense that the abilities will get the best of him.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@GammaWALLE But bowser has different kinds off his minions not just he had a turtle and bowser had his ultimate goal is to rule the mushroom world and possibly the universe so there.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
Bowser uses Turtles. Robotnik uses Robots. Bowser steals a Princess. Robotnik takes over the world...
Das all I got
GammaWALLE 1 month ago in playlist Season 2
Machinima seriously can you ever make bowser vs ganondorf?
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
Kraid Vs. Ridley
oscarmejiavera 1 month ago
@blockboy5609 Eggman wants to rule it not destroy it he doesn't want to do that.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283
Your point is?
Are115020 1 month ago
@Are115020 My point is that bowser can do other things besides stealing a princess and do nothing well sometimes and bowser got butt whooped by her in super princess peach when he kidnaps the heroes that always spoils his plans so he tried to send armies to destroy peach but it failed and in a final battle he wouldn't stand a chance against her at all and that bowser only helps mario so that he will back to his scedule you get the idea.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
Guess what Bowser has Brendan... Giant fucking spikes.
MeaningofWiN 1 month ago
Geez you guys (eggman fans) stop liking him more i like both i respect them and that i can't even deny.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
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SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
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@Maplewolf283 liking is a completely diferent story. beleving eggman would win just takes simple logic, and knowlage of some of his creations
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 tipe in -> sonic unleashed intro <- on you tube and see what eggman is capable of!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish I've already seen it eggman not only defeating super sonic with his early design of egg dragoon but his cleverness has got him around he breaks the planet but he isn't completely awakened.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 yea and so why dont you see that eggman with his eggdragoon and a fleet of space ships and the death egg and and army of robots and a second fleet of space ships and the flying battery and the wing fortress and the egg carrier and the eggcarrier 2 and hyper metal sonic and metal knuckles and silver sonic and mecha sonic (sonic and knuckles) and a shit load of other boss mechs could beat bowser? not to mention the armys of robots theres like millions of them!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Yeah i seen that alot but it is renamed metal sonic instead of hyper metal sonic that metal sonic no longer has sonic's personality but he has it on his own Metal knuckles? Still not better than metal sonic. Silver sonic? He's not that good like metal sonic does. Mecha sonic? Metal had his abilities like copy life data and the abilities of the life forms that eggman made him to do that eggman had other things besides the past warships i better go with egg fleet.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 metal knuckles throws missles and is as stong as knuckles is. silver sonic is just as fast as sonic and has his attacks but he is tougher and can shoot spikes. hyper metal sonic is from sonic cd, he is many times faster than sound can fly create an energy shield and do everything elts sonic can. mecha sonic from sonic and knuckles is like silver sonic but with more durability and he can go super with a chaos emereld. sonic heros metal can copy data and grow stronger
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Heroes get it right he scans the life data from others and and replicate not only their abilities but his form which it is powerful or not but bowser had a doomship which that had a part metallic in it he has a thousands of them he had the koopa kids,harry hedgehogs,magikoopas,hammer bros,koopatrols,electrokoopas,wigglers,shy guys,etc. Not to mention these alternative counterparts of goombas and koopas that could be powerful enough to beat the bolts out of them and bam!
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 so you think wooden ships that with cannons that shoot their cannon balls slower than a person can run, could beat metal ships with future age cannons that fly faster and are bigger? they are far superior in EVERY way. even if parts of the doom ship are metal that is still pathetic in comparison. also did i not explain how all those minions are useless? eggman has guns explosives metal speed and numbers on his side. bowser has mushrooms
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish But bowser has a different kinds of armies which it could either have speed,power,strength and skills that can easily counter mario bowser has a numerous bullet bills and others that can blast them away.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 badniks are faster, stronger and all have weapons that can easy kill the weakling minions bowser has. bullet bils move to slow to hit anything and are completely useles because of that. besides eggman has better cannons. bowser has nothing on eggman, because everything eggman has is better than bowsers in every way. in speed strength stamina defence, attack and numbers, eggmans creations take the cake easily. there will be no blasting away! unless its bowser!
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Except the wigglers which are big enough just because badniks have better defense,speed,stamina,strength and power doesn't mean they have enough weapons to kill these minions bowser has right now do you for get that ludwig also build these robots well he isn't much of an inventor as iggy maybe. Don't forget that koopa kids can take on these robots so can the koopatrols armors and robots are made of a same thing magikoopa's magic had these effects on these machines if you know it.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 actualy they DO have the weapons to kill them. have i not said this enough? lazers, missiles,bombs spikes, saws, drills, blades, pincers, cannons, flme throwers, machine guns, chain saw swords, lances, rpgs, and so on! and why do you think that ludwigs and iggys robots would do so much better than eggmans? is it because you are a bias prick? i think so. oh and how about this, eggman also has shadow androids. do you know about them?
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Yeah they are complete although it might have some glitches bowser has many weapons too ludwig and iggy could develop some weapons that could help don't get me wrong well bowser's minions had more abilities and equipments just like robots have you're hard witted that you cannot know that bowser's minions had some or more abilities that these robots have and eggman's minions may have lances,machine guns,etc. But they have bullet bills,bonzai, a slow but big missle like king bill.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 That pwns eggman's weapons which it belongs to bowser.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 but remember ALL of these metal sonics are at least as fast as the real sonic if not faster and also they are more durable have more powerful spin dashes and jumps. so in other words bowser is totaly screwed because he has to fight all of them at once AND millions of other robots, battle ships, 30 foot mechs the death egg and so on. there is no way bowser can win.
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish
Maplewolf is being quite obdurate huh?
Are115020 1 month ago
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Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Are115020 You're obdurate why can't you accept that he had more armies that could be quite aggressive? And you know what he had many armies besides these koopas that are related to the koopa troops.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Are115020 i dont know what that is but, uh.... yea?
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish
Obdurate means hardheaded, or stubborn. Its just like our friend Maplewolf.
Are115020 4 weeks ago
@Are115020 oh then yea he is.
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Well you're both stubburn you cannot face facts that bowser and eggman had a similar armies,ships,flying objects and weapons they both developed both have something in common like stealing power sources and stuff to make sure that they will in a similar way like: bowser will eventually rule the universe which he tried to do that (almost) and eggman will rule the world successfuly (again almost).
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 i never once said that bowser and eggman wer disimilar, but i did say that all the things they have in common eggman does better. like there ships for example metal > wood see? thats why eggman wins.
and could you please answer my previos post with the cut to the chase thing? because all you disproved last time was one small robot.
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has a laser drone and mecha koopa it is a wind up but it shoots fire and mecha koopa is technically a robot wood does have a metallic part bowser shoots bullet bill,mad bullet bill,bonzai bill,king bill,bouncy bullet bill etc. We have so many missle like enemies that means King Bill>>>>>>>>>>>will pwn eggman's robots weapons none of eggman's weapons can stop the invincible king bill not even lasers so bowser wins and bowser's minions had a strong abilities if you ask me.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 mecha koopas are not any better than badniks, and are just slower and weaker. all those bullet bills are also extremely slow, so they would not be able to hit anything. and as for the bonzai bill, it is not invincible and could be destroyed (but it would take alot) but it is also slow so it would also not hit anything. any way eggman has cannons too and many more fire breathing robots. but eggmans his are better.
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish I'm not saying mecha koopas are better than badniks but it has two abilities running and breathing fire that could burn them and King Bill is invincible i played it and nothing can break him not even the invincibility form neither these lasers and other weapons they possessed and you don't understand how king bill cannot be harmed bullet bills aren't that extremely slow they move at speeds if you didn't know i said king not bonzai eggman's robots have nothing on them.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 Well bullet bills are made of metal and they chosed to sacrifice themselves which the are either brave or extremely unintelligent or both bowser's cannon had unlimited bullet bills which they have developed that means they might have a chance against eggman's cannons.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 no they have ZERO chance to beat eggmans cannons, because eggmans go faster and because of that they hit harder. they are also "brave" because they are not alive and there is an infinite amount of them. so in other words eggmans cannons are just faster more hard hitting versions of bowsers cannons.
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has a cannon too that had you know the infinite amount of bullet bills which it will probably enough to blast these missles and cannons mad bullet bill can even stop the missles and these robots bowser's minions kamek had developed harry hedgehogs that are technically part of a koopa troops which can move quick like sonic does bowser also had these bulls which are powerful enough they are fast too you know king bills beats eggman's weapons so does bonzai bill don't you see
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 so if they are not better than why are you telling me about them? they would be killed and because of this will not help bowser in a fight. and guess what, just because mario cant destroy a king bill that doesnt mean that eggman could not. and yes bullet bills are VERRY slow mario can walk as fast as they go, and remember eggmans robots are all fast. so they would not hit anything
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
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Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
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@SuperLemonfish Unlike badniks mecha koopas cannot be defeated with a jump except you have to do the ground pound they are near indestructible well eggman's robots,koopatrol armors and bullet bills are made of metal that it was designed. That means if someone goes aggressively attack them they will attack you back because of a hard armor see bullet bills can defeat eggman's robots because they were made of metal also and bowser had these other armies that are related to a koopa troops so yeah.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
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@Maplewolf283 come on, respond to my argument! 1. death egg, egg robos and all bosses 2. all badnicks, there are millions of them and there are factories constantly building more 3. all robot sonics (silver, mecha, hyper metal, sonic heros mecha) 4. high rank badnicks ( shadow androids, e100, e101, e102 series, e103, e104, e105, e107, all bosses not piloted by eggman, mecha knuckles) 5.chaos 6.the egg fleet, egg carior 1 and 2 and all the old school flying forteses
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@Are115020 Why can't you admit that they are both awesome i like them so and i'm not saying that bowser's armies are better than eggman's i'm saying that had an onslot of these abilities which they you know with weapons and stuff.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish You really think bowser is slow enough to beat around he has the dark magic,his strength and other skills he possesses yeah these other sonic robots don't have a chance except metal sonic.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 yea bowser IS slow enough to beat up. look at super mario 64, mario ran circles around him! so now take robots many times faster than cars are, and bowser is screwed! also bowsers black magic is limited and wont help him from getting a bullet through the head, or a lazer or any of the other things i have already told you about. besides even if bowser could kill badnics by himself there is still just too many!
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Bowser is actually agile he can jump high,do a back flip and use a power stomp he's faster than mario but slower than anybody else well actually he to force things up he's got a koopa clown car that can fly and fire things which it could kill these eggman's robots iggy can build machines so eggman's robots cannot reach in the air for a minimum of 4 seconds and that aside iggy uses machines to blast them into oblivion and eggman is getting ticked off his kids had some tactics.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 bowser is NOT agile! he is slow and mario runs circles around him. and jumping and flying does nothing to stop them from being shot and killed. besides many of eggmans bots can fly too. and why do you think that the clown car is better than the eggpod? and why do you think that the fire balls bowser shoots while in the clown car could blast them into oblivion but missiles couldent? you are SOOOOOOO ridiculous it hurts!
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Yeah according to mariowiki bowser is more agile and faster than mario but not to speed characters (besides being more agile) egg pawns can't fly neither do egg fighters i never seen them do that except the other E-Series that can other than the egg pawns and fighters clown car can shoot fire,cannon balls,fly and drop mecha koopas you're so ridiculous that eggman's robots are better than bowser's minions im not saying that koopa clown car is better than egg pod.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 wiki ? my source is the actual game which is much more reliable. but buzz bombers can the octopus ones can the sea horce ones can the bats can the lighting bugs can the egg robos can and many thers too. the clown car is nothing, one egg ship is manny times better. it can shoot lazers it has hundres of cannons on it and has thousnds of robots on board. the diference is that lazers beat fire his cannons are better and his bots are far superior to mecha koopas
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Bowser has cannons too you know you didn't see that the doomship does have a part metallic and it had a more defense other than that one he had alot of doomships if that aren't your thing bowser had 2 geniuses like ludwig and iggy ludwig is the strongest and mostly intelligent that he can in few games can build machines but he isn't an inventor like iggy iggy can even build the bigger robot that could be powerful enough to beat the bolts out of every robots eggman loses.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 yes i realise that, but they are smaller and they shoot reaaaaly slow moving rounds so they are useless. the robots ludwig and iggy make are pathetic and there are less of them anyway. look up the egg emporor and see one more reason eggman would win
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 im going to cut to the chase again. 1. death egg, egg robos and all bosses 2. all badnicks, there are millions of them and there are factories constantly building more 3. all robot sonics (silver, mecha, hyper metal, sonic heros mecha) 4. high rank badnicks (mecha shadows, e100 e101 e102 e103 e104 e105 e107, all bosses not piloted by eggman, mecha knuckles) 5.chaos 6.the egg fleet, egg carior 1 and 2 and all the old school flying forteses
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
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Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
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Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
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@SuperLemonfish I told you already it's heroes heroes heros is not a word and mecha shadow is a fan made and e-107 is not a real character E-100,101,102,103,104, and 105 is also gamma doesn't even count he isn't an ally to eggman anymore neither are omega which he was rejected and becomes allies to shadow and the others bowser has many bases too when you look at them guess what bowser also has a freaking topman and the buzzer thing he had alot of armies let alone creating these robots.
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 mecha shadow is not fan made. they are a mass made robots by eggman and they can do everything shadow can but they also have missle launchers in their hands. look it up they are real, tipe in shadow androids. e107 is real he is from the comic and looks like e123. and yes e102 and e123 turned against eggman, but eggman had mas produced e102 as e1000 so there are actualy 10000s of them. which is actualy worse for bowser. anyway you are forgetting the rest!
SuperLemonfish 4 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Well mecha shadow is a glitch clone of mecha sonic it is real but it is a non canon character and i don't see E-107 nobody did let me guess is this from the comics i don't forget the rest i just know it all just because he made these robots does not mean they are indestructible and i seen it that shadow androids can shoot missles from their hands e-102 and e-1000 are slow they e-1000 lacks target seeking but not gamma you're forgetting the rest that iggy can even build robots,etc
Maplewolf283 4 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 it is in two of the games how is that not canon? they are not slow in fact they are much faster than anything bowser has and they dont lack targeting, sonic is just too hard to hit. E-101 in his rebuilt form kicks ass and if he and thousands of E102s all attacked they would be unstopible! what robots does iggy make? mecha koopas right? mecha koopas are slow moving and are less durable than eggmans robots (because a ground pound is less powerfull than a spin dash)
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Iggy would make a bigger,faster and the stronger robots that could counter the E-Series and he however can build the GOMP that clones these robots and they will not tell the difference here and he also had the robots that are designed to counterattack let's see here we have the laser drone,we have mecha bowser,we have megahammer,digga leg and the freaking mega leg which it should have an arm that stops the E-Series and that bowser has these koopa bros and anti guys that can match
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 thats dumb, and none of iggys robots are better than e1000. whats a gomp? well the lazer drone is just an average minion, mecha bowser is WAY to slow to do anything and would be destroyed from the egg breaker or the death egg or egg dragoon. megahammer is big but he is also verry slow and his weak points are huge and easy to hit, digga leg is useless on normal ground, and megalegs weak point onley takes one hit and it is an easy target for one of eggmans ships
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Well GOMP or whatever is the robot that has an ink in the bucket,sand,etc. Megahammer doesn't have a cockpit it is made you know entirely metal Digga leg is metal that has a spike on it if you didn't know megaleg that represents snifit is a giant robots it can shoot bullet bills and can stop when iggy rebuilds it this time it is even more powerful without being powered up if so it already has the power to do that megaleg this time have an arm and megahammer has a huge hammer btw.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 megahammer has those blue balls which are its weak points and he is very slow, also doesnt have any way to move and so if he were on earth, eggman could easily sit out of his range and shoot his weak points a few times to kill him. and megaleg onley takes one hit to destroy if you hit the top of its head. also digga leg has his whole head as a weak spot which means 3 shots and he is dead. and all of them are realy slow. mario bosses are to slow for eggman!
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Glass is what you mean Iggy can even builded one that would cover it well mario bosses that had possessed speed which that matches for eggman they are not inferior i rather make this fast and advanced way than making it slow and not much of an expert bowser had an hedgehog armies that had quick paces which kamek found them and that he will use a sonic's appearence and others which it will be enough to bring eggman's robots into slim and koopatrol had the superior attacks also.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 i dont understand any of this. all i get is that bowser has hedge hog armies. and that they are fast. well i have seen them before and they arnt that fast, they are faster than mario but not by that much so against eggmans minions it would be slow
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish You'll find out and by the way koopatrol's armor is also extremely durable they had some superior abilities like the ultimate shell,charge,running attack etc. hammer bros had the multihammer throw,hammer throw hammer attack and other abilities they have learned they are the elite fighters and he also had a petey piranha that he had the ability to fly,head attacks,spit out goops he has intelligence which it was limited but he rarely uses his head and others...
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Maplewolf283 yea i know about koopatrol, its just a koopa with armor, still slow and still weak. i mean cmon, armor wont stop a missile or lazer beam. and throwing hammers is pathetic, not onley would it barley put a scratch of the badnicks they have longer range attacks! also badniks are fast enough to dodge the hammers easy. and a flying parana it is probably more dangerous than a koopatroll, but it can be killed just as easy.
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish
Do you notice how biased this dude is. He will keep rambling until you will admit Bowser is better.
All he does is try to counter our VALID arguments with small nitpicky details.
Are115020 3 weeks ago
@Are115020 yea, and i had tryed to stop but he brought me back. besides it has become, i dont know a quest? or uh like a personal mission to stop every argument he has untill he runs out or somthing, which probably will never hapen.
SuperLemonfish 3 weeks ago
@SuperLemonfish Heh well don't bring about which is better they had one thing for something.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
@Are115020 Just don't talk about whose better they are both great i respect that and you eggman fans stop bringing up that he's better and you know what koopa troops and eggman's armies does developed a weapons don't be arrogant about it.
Maplewolf283 3 weeks ago
Maplewolf283, I'm gonna say it for the last time. Sonic is too fast to be hit. No, seriously. It doesn't matter how big bowser is. Do you know how a bullet works? The entire danger of it comes from the speed it travels at. Sonic would be like a bullet that just pierce bowser until he was dead - And he always got Super Sonic to handle the worst. Look, I agree, both franchises are great and so are their icons - But when you are so fast and can rip through everything you are unbeatable.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Well yes but some speedsters can match sonic's for example toad,yoshi you know that bowser has power and sonic has speed and sonic still moving to mach 1 speed however any sonic universe that are far beyond sonic's level every sonic characters is not close to sonic's level except shadow unless sonic he hits the wall or the ones that shoot cannon or you get the idea it doesn't matter who is faster it's about they will try their best.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 No dude. NOTHING can match Sonics Speed except Metal Sonic, understand? I know he seems slow in some games and such, but the official facts is that he can break the sound barrier in mere SECONDS and has an average speed of 765 miles per hour.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Metal is much faster than sonic then so metal is a without a doubt is the fastest but sonic isn't giving up anytime sonic never reaches mach 5 so it beats sonic and i know he can match sonic's speed i'm not stupid i researched it all and last time i checked he can i also searched about toad he is fast and he is a speed demon and he's strong lets think about that metal actually whoops sonic but sonic can't be beat again.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Listen dude. I have no idea what Mach 5 is, but when you're going faster than sound, nothing is gonna catch you - Not toad, not bowser, not mario, not yoshi, not a rocket, or a cart, or a bullet - Nothing. I feel like I'm misunderstanding you a lot because your english is quite poor.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Mach 5 is when someone reaches hypersonic speed which someone can go way fast that nobody reached of.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 I think that if you can cross a continent in seconds you've reached mach 5 and way above, lol.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Yeah except sonic can be stopped by metal sonic or a near invincible enemies or some powerful enemies and guess what i'm faster than anyone yet in my place.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Riiiiight... How did this come to be about YOU? And Metal Sonic can stop him, yes, and for all the rest, Super Sonic.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Ok speaking of that how about sonic can take on metal sonic without any super form is that it? Metal is faster than sonic but sonic can find a way like he can use tornado on him that metal sonic can't.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
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@Maplewolf283 There have been several Metal Sonic's. The one in Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes ain't the same for example. And in CD you could not even hurt him, you could only beat him in a race at which point he died, for some odd reaosn - The one seen in Heroes though is the latest and the most powerful one, and that one took 12 heroes and 3 super hedgehogs to beat.
Luxai 1 month ago
Just stop trying man, you don't even know what you are talking about. You say lazers, Sonic dodges lazers in every game. You say huge things with lightning and claws, stuff that Sonic beats easily - and they are metal. You say "can counter Sonic's speed" no dude, NOTHING can, except Metal Sonic - Look, like I said, it's different universes, but can you give any reasons why a robot army with superior technology would lose? And why Sonic would lose to anything that slow?
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Mario can dodge lasers and dangerous traps i like both they have similar gamings after all sonic is speedy and mario is an all arounder well sonic only uses speed which he relies on and mario uses his skills,power,stamina and stuff.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Ever seen Sonic push heavy metal boxes around and liftning other heavy stuff? Coz I have. he's strong alright, also good at martial arts - Plus the fact that an impact at the speed of sound would prodouce a heavier blow than anything moving at like 5% of that speed can ever produce. Sure, mario is not SLOW.... Just that compared to Sonic he's a snail.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Yeah but mario is beast at combat he knows how to create fire attacks that mario trained which he can do it without a fire flower when you look at him he actually can learned fire attacks though he even utilizes they combat skills he actually knows martial arts too sonic's strength isn't good as mario does mario can lift things out of the ground and mario even owned the castle mario had all the combined skills which he learned that means mario experence all things he has learned.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Speed>strength. Can't hurt what you can't hit. Fire shield negates fire damage. Check the Sonic vs Mario deathmatcn and you should get the idea.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai That's a non canon video it doesn't even count Mario is all around character what could all around should have any means to had all speed for that matters mario is all around not power.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 I'm aware that video is purely fanmade - but it DOES show that Sonic can counter Marios powerups with his own. And once they're out of them Mario is no match for Sonic's natural speed. I don't understand how I can make this any clearer to you. Sonic is too fast to be hit by anything in the Mario universe, Metal Sonic even surpasses him, and the impact of a blow at sound speed is far greater than what you can achieve with raw strength. The same way that bullets work.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Yeah but it doesn't even count as a win he's got a high stamina that mario can run longer without exhaustion i think that sonic's and mario fames are clearly unmatched they don't know if sonic's or mario's are greater or not and mario can even use fire attacks in some games without a fire flower mario is all around he actually knows skills and he learns some new abilities that he soon mastered it however sonic doesn't like thaking things slow but any marioverse can surpass sonic's speed.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 how does that not count as a win? bowser cant hit metal sonic, that means he cant hurt him. and metal sonic can smash through steel like it was paper, that means he can CUT BOWSERS HEAD OFF. and it means he can kill everything elts from the mario universe. and that doesnt count as a win HOW? explain one time bowser survived somthing that could move faster than sound and could smash steel that easy. huh? not to mention the rest of the army. you must be trollin
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Mario's power ups doesn't have a time limit and that he can switch power ups if it wasn't enough bowser does have many abilities like: backflip,stomp,teleportation,curled into a spiked ball,rock,dark spin,summon lighting bolts,transformed into giant,metal and giga (It's official and it is non canon fighting game like SSBB),Spinning shell attack,using ztar,dark spin,jump high,flamethrower,fire ball,using claws and duck with his shell,ground pound,make shockwaves etc. that means.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
Bowsers and robotnik are fighting Alone, if you heard. bowsers giga bowser would tear any egg robot/dragoon/flying machine......simple.....flamethrowers, claws and black magic owns steel....
snakehunt1 1 month ago
@snakehunt1
Giga Bowser isnt even in the Mario canon dipshit. He was created just for Super Smash Bros. Even if he was canon., he's too slow. Eggman's mechs can bomb the shit out of "big and mighty" Giga Bowser before the koopa can touch them!
Are115020 1 month ago
@Are115020 Dont you hate when a person randomly calls you a dipshit for no apparent reason?
snakehunt1 1 month ago
I laugh at everyone saying that bowser is better yea good luck eggman is behind 9 robot armies.
minigunexo 1 month ago
Lol, I can't tell if you're putting on a show or actually having a bit of a friendly fight there. Consider acting you two.
That said, Bowser himself is very strong, much stronger than Robbtnik, but the good old eggster got a mechanical army - Things that would pwn Bowsers army. No matter how strong Bowser is, he can't withstand a robotnc army on his own.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Yes he can after all he has almost all stamina that surpasses wario he has the shell spin,spiked ball,dark spin,high jumps and stomp,punch combat skills,teleport etc he has the most powerful enemies like dark koopatrol and the tough one like Sledge bros,sumo bros,hammer bros,fire bros,ice bros and the boomerang bros also, the yet powerful koopa wizard liek magikoopas there that can match against eggman's armies that means bowser armies has more abilities than eggman's how's that?
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Simple. Metal Sonic is powerful enough to kill all of those alone, and Robotnik built him, He can build more stuff like that.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai But metal only requires transformation from the part of the air fleet offense or defense attacks but metal is not invincible he is kinda hard to beat well bowser's son might had some shadow mario transformation and metal sonic had his own abilities he can dash and jump faster than sonic he has the top accelerations and some reasons he has the jet flying super speed and the overdrive he has the black shield that could block all attacks that means he is better than all of sonic's robots.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Bowser doesn't have weakness it's not speed it's mario's spin punch thing or that he might.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 uhh if a punch from mario is bowsers weak point then a lazer or bomb or saw blade or flme thrower or huge drills or spinning swords or a huge wreaking ball or a bunch of spike centipiedes and metal piranahs biteing and stabbing him would totaly f*ck him up
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Well bowser's shell that cannot be break but mario can still spin punch him up so yeah but bowser survived all that he's like is like a survivor that bowser can never be killed and guess what bowser also has the spikes,horns and the big shell which it has the combination of spiky shell and that's why they call him bowser he's a tough turtle-demon that could whoop anyone's scrawny booties.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 he can be killed, everything can be killed, and just because he has spikes and a real tough shell, that doesnt mean eggman couldent just put a lazer through his head. got it? they are in completely diferent classes!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish True but bowser always survive that and he never get instinctly killed except in super mario 3D Land i don't know.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 the reason he never is killed with one hit is because 1 he is tough and 2 because mario doesnt have verry powerfull attacks. if mario had a rocket lancher a lazer gun and a lance (like egg pawns do) he would beat bowser easy. see? if eggman saw bowser he would send a squad of robots to kill him. they would shoot him up then blow him up and then stab him, he might be able to kill a few with his fire but their numbers and superior weaponry would win out easily
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
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Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Exactly he is nearly invincible that he can instinctly can't be blowned back and bowser's koopa troops does have weapons they used the very speedy or the slow rocketed but can't blowned back bullet bills but big giant ones can kill many kinds of robots it has a totally powerful blows that eggman's robots can't stop it that means he had a greater weapon that could totally blast him and his robots far off bam not even metal sonic can stop him yeah he has some abilities too.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Metal Sonic can stop anything mate. NORMAL Sonic is way too fast to be hit and can rip through ROBOTS like paper - Bowser & Co is just flesh, and some shell, but if you can rip through steel then you can rip through shells. Metal Sonic is both faster and stronger, and let me remind you Sonic can run faster than sound and therefore pack a ridicolous impact. Also, "Sonics robots"? Lol. Anyways, Robotnik can build better of whatever Bowser can muster.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Except that metal sonic can't stop a king bill it is a whopping bowser's best weapon it is very slow but it could obliterate the killer robots even metal sonic can't stop it and bowser had the destructible that is second to king bill bonzai,bullet you name it.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Metal Sonic could stop that and anything else. I don't think you understand this. Metal is made of hard enough material to withstand a spinning ball of spikes hitting him at an impact of sound speed - Added to his own black shield and the fact that he is even faster than Sonic and can turn his body into deadly fire burniing through anything - I'm not biased here, just factual.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Exactly that other sonic robots can't and even that eggman's top speedy sonic robot is deadly well sometimes anyone can beat him when someone is strong enough to do that.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 The statement that any other of Robotniks robots wouldn't be able to defeat any of Bowsers minions or Bowser himself is terribly inaccurate. Metal is stronger than flesh, and Robotnik has the numbers on his side. To be honest, there is only one who has ever defeated Metal - Sonic himself.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai But you think that metal is better than all those robots that failed to defeat sonic and metal sonic doesn't have super strength,speed,strategic or strong sense of freedom on his own but his copy ability he has that will match anyone's strength,speed,strategic etc. But seriously he actually can be defeated by anyone if that's for sure anyone that are strong enough to beat him could be either matched or unmatched name it state it.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 First of all, Metal Sonic does not "match" something - He simply adds it to his attributes thereby enhancing them. Think of it like Megaman. Second, Metal Sonic is without a doubt the best creation Robotnik has ever made - Thirdly, and I forgot to tell you this, the Metal Sonic I refer to is the latest - there has been more than one. It took every character from every Sonic game to beat the latest one and THREE Super hedgehogs. So yeah. Metal would squash Bowser & co
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Yeah exactly both metal sonic and megaman had some copy ability and actually Bowser's strength are colossal so that he can counterattack metal sonic his strength are greater than any other power characters his speed is lower and his skills are kinda ok but his stamina is secondly high bowser is not completely brains but a bit he is metal never even met silver except sonic and shadow that he already knows i'll tell you this metal may shoot the chest laser but bowser has spiked shell get it
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Look, I'm gonna try one more time. Metal Sonic, the one from Sonic Heroes - Have you seen how much he can evolve? Bowser is chanceless, it's not biased and not opinion, it's FACT - Seriously, you really believe a being of flesh could rip through indestructible living metal? I've made my comparisions and I see no hope for our old shelly friend. Has it ever taken 12 heroes to bring Bowser down? And did 3 of them have to harness the chaos itself to do it? Just... Geesh.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Bowser has 2 transformations actually don't you think that this is getting a bit too serious? It doesn't matter that who has the better army it's about that they had a similar weapons and high tech equipments well metal sonic's forms are not invincible jeez man metal sonic wants to rule the world like he tried to and he betrayed eggman once i don't know whenever he does he can destroy enemies with a bit slow but useful projectiles he can even absorb some of eggman's offensive weapons.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 You're the one posting plethoras of comments, and you tell me this is getting a bit too serious? Metal Sonic=too fast to be hit and too durable to smash - Unless you're Sonic lol. Yeah, Bowser has robots, nothing like Robotnik though. Maybe because Robotnik makes them himself. Anyways, both franchises portray different universes. One is an army of slow walking koopas and goombas while the other are killer robots. Of course that's just the bulk, but you get the idea.
Luxai 1 month ago
@Luxai Well bowser builded the laser drone that is designed to be not jumped or spun on or anything really guess what what bowser also has.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Luxai Knuckles can too but probably isn't enough to counter him everyone can't beat him because its his high speed except sonic and shadow bowser had laser drones,mecha bowser,megaleg,digaleg and the freaking megahammer he had the machines powered up by the grandstar bowser had a lack of intelligence that doesn't mean he's dumb he's just hard headed and he fights using strength before thinking it. Bowser does have machines that he developed it kamek had knowledge about machines and stuff.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 for the last time bowsers NOT invincible! and bullet bills suck ass, they are two slow to hit anything. and eggman has fast robots, because they are designed to fight with sonic. if you think a bullet bill could hit metal sonic you are RETARTED no way in hell anything bowser has could hit him. here fight these arguments 1.metal sonic 2 death egg and all its bosses 3 all minions 4 they are made of steel 5 eggman has factories always building new robots
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish I know he isn't he can be hit by enemies and the lava thing he fell on he also managed survive that well i know metal can beat anything else his strength might match bowser so does his speed which it surpassed sonic so this could mean eggman builded the best sonic robot that the others didn't well bowser has 7 koopa kids but not bowser jr which he is himself and i get it all and bowser had a similar assistance like eggman had yada yada yada i like both the way they can.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 what are you saying? do you agree eggman would win? if not, you didnt give any counter arguments. and those koopa kids arent going to be any help they are just smarter faster koopas and will still be killed by a missle just the same.
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Actually 2 of the koopa kids can build things but iggy is the only one who can build robots to counter enemies so iggy has an extreme intelligence that is beyond eggman's level and most of all eggman's armies maybe dangerous but bowser's might done that the same i'm not say that they are the worst i'm saying these armies are well obeyed and some of the power source that eggman had are powerful that can counter sonic's speed,agility and reflexes.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 no iggy koopa is not smarter than eggman. when iggy has space stations the sise of the moon and is able to completely rebuild and refit a hover craft (that can fly at super sonic speeds) in less than a minute come back and we will talk. yes koopas obey bowser to the letter, however they walk off clifs and are completely useles in battle as they dont actualy attack they just walk forward. and what dont you understand about lazer guns? huh? they shoot through things!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Still even that had some outrageous flaws he still has the upper hand he's also hyperactive and he can spin around to make these foes dizzy like he did that to mario and luigi he is weak but not as weaker than he looks i know it all about sonic and mario characters i don't hate them i mean he has mechanical intellect that he builds robots for bowser and his siblings and also the koopa troopas how does that work?
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 um just because he can run fast compared to mario doesnt mean anything. eggman robots (like i keep saying) are designed to combat speed. and what about koopa troopas? like i said they dont actualy attack they just walk (or fly) forward there, is NO way bowser can win. ok?
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish But bowser had the laser drone which it is completely metal or steel so that might work hammer bros can attack by using hammers and boomerang bros can throw boomerangs they can move and throw stuff and goombas can charge at it isn't strong but it takes time to do it some of badniks never actually attack sonic except the buzz ones and the chameleon one just end it i like both.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 so bowser has ONE minion that shoots lazers, but many of eggmans robots shoot lazers too, so it isnt that special. boomarangs would just bounce off any of the badniks and hamers might hurt the small ones but again most badniks have guns so they dont have to get close enuff to be hit, oh and here are some of the robots that attack, buzz ,monkey, crab, piranah, drill face, octopus, chicken gunner,praying mantis. i will not end it till you admit eggman would win!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Badniks have nothing to do with it so it isn't enough so he now builded eggman's robots so he can counter sonic's speed but they could be stopped and bowser had the same armies that they are never gonna give up well mostly but bowser actually had some surprise the freaking chain chomps that could totally crush eggman's robots that's enough to declare victory for him no bowser is not dumb he had trouble with intelligence bowser had some clever tactics you know what to say.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 Badniks = eggmans robots. so they have everything to do with this.
chain chomps are actualy a goot point. i hadent thought of that and they are very dangerous. so yes chain chomps could kill some badniks (ones that dont fly or move very fast) however thats not enuff to beat the entire army, and eggman can still blow them up with misiles and things like that. but for once i agree bowser has a useful minion. the thing is every minion eggman has is usefull in battle
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish And there's more he also had a gigantic armies that can even crush eggman's robots he has Kent C. Koopa he is an extremely strong fighter that eggman's robots don't have a chance chain chomps are immune to missles and stuff bowser gots magikoopa,koopatrols,clubbas,shy guys and that bowser's minions had more abilities that eggman's as i said (previously but not that one) eggman's robots can't even counter that one how does that work? And he also recruited another army.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 kent c. is just a big turtle, he would be easy to beat. and chain chomps would not be imune to bombs missiles and lazers, its a big ball of metal, but eggmans robots are metal too, the onley diference is that he has millions of them and they all have weapons, where a chain chomp has to catch up to its enimy and bite it (remeber eggman has super fast robots) again all of bowsers minions can be killed easy, just shoot them then bomb the castle from orbit and move on
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish He is more just a big turtle he is an extreme strong fighter extreme i tell you he is slow but he had the awesome ability such as the ground pound,punch and jump attack to smash anything he does kent c cannot be beaten and before you ask no he is not invincible he has the harder shell that nobody can't break any army is strong enough to counterattack these robots that means that bowser's newly found army which it has some metallic shell that had spikes on top,left and right etc.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 he is just a big turtle, and all it would take to kill him was one shot from a lazer gun. or a bazooka if thats what the badnik had at the time. remember robotnik has robots that use guns. guns beat slow moving turtles. not onley that but the guns shoot lazers! yea metal shells, robots already have metal. nomater what bowser does he is screwed. and you fail to answer what bowser would do about being bombed from orbit, and how he could beat metal sonic!
SuperLemonfish 1 month ago
@SuperLemonfish Kent is extremely strong and it's only get it right bowser even his newly found armies can counter attack eggman's robots and that shell is extremely durible which it cannot be break metal sonic is not invincible i told you this is not how that works they are flesh but that doesn't mean they are weak they know what they do bowser has dark freaking magic and he can operate a machine that he could in yoshi's safari he stole the magical jewels and use it against them i like both.
Maplewolf283 1 month ago
@Maplewolf283 i saw him in paper mario....hes not that good, eggmans would pwn him, like i just said, with a bomb or somthing. umm metal sonic isnt invincible but he can rip through anything bowser has, because get this. HE IS A SAW GOING FASTER THAN SOUND. so he could cut right through bowser, and any other minion bowser has. dark magic wont help