Religion isn`t really logic at all! And if it is a Heaven/Hell concept.. 98% of the world population is going down.. but how? Our body are in the grave.. and our soul? Have to fly trough a another dimension to place itself in a copy of your body and then set in a eternal fire? What drives this fire?
@christsforgiveness hi so right you are islam is a works based religion - they must do good works to receive their rewards.. only by having more rewards are they accepted
@christsforgiveness What I meant was, the speaker of this video refuted the muslim beautifully! Well done! That is what I meant when I said, "and that is how you do that...1 Peter 3:15*****5 stars.
Neither Moses nor Mohammed could fulfill all of the law, thats part of why Jesus had to come, not you, me, or anyone else in all of humanity could obey all of the law all of the time. By Jesus perfect obedience to Father Gods commandments all the time He legally opened up Heaven (deuteronomy 28) and then gave as a gift eternal salvation to all of mankind to be reconciled in right relationship with God the Father.
@fandanstan. God! Two whom does your body make signals to and obey? Your mind and spirit. You are one human being with an expressive aspect and a hidden aspect, a knowable aspect and an unknowable aspect. God is unseen yet he manifests his glory and his glory relates and depends upon the unseen. Make sense?
@fandanstan. Your tone gives me the impression that even if I gave you Gold, you would rather take copper. I hope you are willing to learn and understand as much as you want me to. Does what I said above really make no sense at all to you? Perhaps it doesn't fit into your way of thinking, but it does make a lot of sense.
@fandanstan Jesus doesn't need to pray to God because He is God. Jesus prayed to God when he was here on earth in human form.He prayed also to show/be an example for us christians to show us how we should live a holy life.Listen christians can't answer everything if we knew and understood everything what would be the point of God. thats why christianity is based on faith. faith in God, the only true and living God
@JesusDaughta1 "Jesus doesn't need to pray to God because He is God. Jesus prayed to God when he was here on earth in human form"
Do you not see how illogical that is? If I'M GOD, then I would NOT be praying to God, because it would be useless. Even if Jesus was in human form, that would not take away from him being God, so in the end, he was just praying to himself.
You are confusing a anti-Christian heresy called Modalism with The Christian faith. We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father. How can you tell us that what we believe is wrong, if you don't even know what it is that we believe? First learn and except what we believe the Trinity to be THEN, base your arguments around refuting what we believe it to be, not based on a strawman argument.
@fandanstan First before I answer this, (and I can) you first agknowledge that you misrepresented my faith. Then...I'll answer this question, or it will show me that You can't be taught. If you do, then I'll show you from scripture how this is explained. If not, I'll know you are just a troll.
@pretoshohmoofc "We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father"
Really? I guess you're the only Christian that believes that. I acknowledge that I represented Christianity in a way that reflected most Christians' beliefs, hence why they always "The trinity: 3 in 1, 1 in 3."
@fandanstan No, you were trying to say that we teach Modalism. We do not.
Do we or do we not believe that God is ONE God in THREE PERSONS..
Yes or no?
And IF NOT can you show me from any offical Trinitarian website that we teach any differently? Note: Not some person's private website. But from an offical Protestant or Catholic one.
@pretoshohmoofc First you said: "We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father".
Now you're saying that "God is ONE God in THREE PERSONS"
Don't you see that that makes zero sense? If Jesus is NOT the same person as the Father, but God is ONE in 3 persons (hence they're all the same ONE God), then you're basically contradicting yourself.
Your logic: God = Father, God = Son, God = Holy Spirit, BUT Jesus =/= Father
@fandanstan I asked you to show me from any offical Trinitarian website that we teach that the Father is the same person as the Son. You get one more chance, then I'll blow you off as a false teacher.
@fandanstan You keep insisting that we teach that the Father is the same person as the Son, but you can't show me one single solitary offical website which teaches this?
@pretoshohmoofc I've used logic to prove that if the Father is not the Son, then you believe in more than one God. :)
Just because you can't answer logically doesn't make me in the wrong.
No where in the Bible does Jesus say UNEQUIVOCALLY that he is God or where he says to worship him.
Islam is quite clear. We believe in ONE God, who has ZERO partners, was never begotten, does NOT beget, and nothing is comparable to Him. We don't have any illogical creeds like Christianity.
@pretoshohmoofc LOL You're absolutely correct. They ALL make up time. They're ALL also existent AT THE SAME TIME. As I'm typing this, there is a past, there is a present, and there is a future.
Therefore, if God represents your analogy, then the Son, the Father and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate entities existing AT THE SAME TIME, thus they logically cannot be the same one God.
Think about it this way: I have a Toyota, a Honda, and a Mazda. They're ALL cars, yet they cannot be the SAME car
@pretoshohmoofc If you're not interested in telling me why God prayed to God, then I'm afraid I must conclude you don't have an answer. If you truly had an answer, you would've told me already without much trouble.
Guess you're just trying to justify nonsensical creeds and beliefs.
Islam's easier to believe. ONE God. That's it. Jesus was just a messenger, which is why he fell down on his face in prayer (it says that in the Bible), the same way Muslims do. Why don't Christians?
@fandanstan Oh no you don't, I'm not letting you change the subject, I told you that I can and will answer why Christ prayed to the Father AFTER we conclude with our FIRST AND ORIGINAL TOPIC. I know what a red herring smells like.
Did you or did you NOT say that most Christians believed that the Son is the Father. But you can't show me one single example of this in the Christian statements of beliefs.
@fandanstan Good, thank you for admitting that you are a false teacher.
Jesus had to become a man (fully 100% man) in order for him to become the last Adam. The first Adam failed, so the last Adam had to fix the 1st's Adam's problem. So he emptied himself and became a man, (plil 2:5-6) and came under the laws of men. (Gal 4:4.). As a man, he had to submit as a man to God. (psalms 22:10) "...from my mother's womb you have been my God". to be our example. (Heb 2:14; Heb 4:14-15.)
@pretoshohmoofc "Jesus had to become a man (fully 100% man)"
Oh, so Jesus wasn't God. He was just a man? Or are you going to tell me he was 100% Man AND 100% God?
I'd love to see you use your pseudomath to get out of this one.
And admit right now that you misrepresented what the Quran said about Mary, or I won't bother to continue speaking with a false teacher such as yourself.
@fandanstan This is easy. You believe that the Qu'ran is 100% divine in origin and at the same time, you also believe that the Qu'ran that you are holding in your hands is also 100% man made, the paper,ink, book, arabic languare, grammar etc...
So if the Qu'ran is 100% human in origin, how can it also be 100% the written word of Allah?
I don't believe that the ink and paper Quran I hold in my hand is from God. I believe the words are, but NOT the physical bound book I hold in my hands.
That's where we differ. Besides, why bother comparing our scriptures? Christianity has volumes upon volumes of different versions of the Bible, whereas if you were to compare the Quranic text I hold in my hands to a 7th century one, it would be the same letter for letter.
@fandanstan Give me a straight answer. In Surah 5:116 is it or is it not talking about Mary the mother of Jesus, and is it or is it not saying that she was God?
@pretoshohmoofc No. You said that the Quran states that Mary is a part of the trinity. Admit that it didn't say that, and admit that you are a false teacher that misrepresented what the Quran ACTUALLY said.
@fandanstan Like I showed you from Surah 5:72-73 the Trinity was the subject of Surah 5.
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary"...They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God.
@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
@pretoshohmoofc I don't see the word "Trinity" there. Do you? You DID say that the Quran says Mary is a part of the Trinity. Quote me one verse which says that.
CASE CLOSED.
Admit that you lied and that you're a false teacher. :)
@fandanstan. What is the point of this back and forth argument. You heard the Islamic perspective and the Jesus perspective in this video. From this point, it is up to you what you desire to believe. If you are like that muslim fellow who refuses the mercy of God found in Jesus thinking that he will please God by his good deeds, you will be very disappointed on judgement day. If you accept the death of Christ, you can go free. Hope this makes sense.
@fandanstan Christ's spirit didn't die, only his flesh did. He predated his flesh, he can live beyond it. Even Isalm teaches that someone can live beyond their physical bodies!!
@pretoshohmoofc No. You said that the Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity, which it does NOT.
Now admit to being a liar and a false teacher.
I'm only going to ask ONE more time. :)
I'm just going to leave you with this:
You believe that the Father is different from the Son. You also believe that the Father is 100% God, while also believing that the Son is 100% the SAME God.
It doesn't matter that you BELIEVE that the Son isn't the Father. Logic is logic.
@pretoshohmoofc No no no. You said that the Quran said that Mary is PART OF THE TRINITY. (Srsly, are your reading skills lacking?) IT DOES NOT. rofl How long is it going to take for you to admit to being a liar and a false teacher.
The fact that it says some Christians took Mary as God doesn't have anything to do with anything. The fact is that you said something FALSE.
Now, one more time: ADMIT TO BEING A FALSE TEACHER AND A LIAR.
@pretoshohmoofc "Suragh 6:101 is clearly saying that Mary is a god who gives birth to the Son of God."
6:101 - "The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things?"
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT MARY IS A GOD WHO GIVES BIRTH TO THE SON OF GOD?!?!
@fandanstan As for your second question, I already answered it. Just look below for the answer. It's not my fault that you can't seen to be able to read nor count. It's yours.
@pretoshohmoofc You say that the Father =/= Son, yet if they're BOTH the SAME God, then LOGIC IS LOGIC.
Your time analogy doesn't apply, since the past isn't 100% time. Time is composed of past, present, and future. Therefore, past = 1/3 of time. Therefore, Son = 1/3 God.
@fandanstan So the answer is no. There is nowhere in history or the modern chruch where we have ever called Mary "God". So whoever wrote the quran didn't seem to understand our beliefs. Some prophet of God he was.
@pretoshohmoofc You said that the Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity. It does NOT. Admit to being a false teacher and a liar.
I said, "Therefore, Son = 1/3 God", then you said, "You are right. the Son is not 1/3 God."
You're in some serious need of reading skills. ;)
"Muhammad called God the third of three"
But do you not believe ALL are 100% God? It wouldn't matter which of the three was called God. LOL Some Christian YOU are. I know more about your religion than you. LOL
You are right. the Son is not 1/3 God. Now read Surah 5:73 where Muhammad called God the third of three. Infact, we say that the Father is the first person in the Trinity not the third. So, again, Muhammad was mistaken. Some prophet he was.
That's not true. I can say, "in a future time it will happen." And this is me talking about the future which does not include the Past or Present but is still being addressed as time.
@pretoshohmoofc TIME (as a whole) is composed of PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE. To say that the PAST IS 100% time is wrong and you know it. Stop trying to make sense out of the senseless.
Allow me to equation it up for you:
Time = Past + Present + Future
The PAST is nothing but a specific POINT IN TIME, not TIME in its entirety.
Seriously, I thought I wouldn't have to spell it out for you. Then again, you believe God can die.
@pretoshohmoofc Ah, replacing your RIDICULOUS analogy for another ridiculous one! LOL
You're absolutely right that matter is solid, liquid, and gas. BUT, if some piece of matter is in its solid phase, then it cannot simultaneously be in its liquid and gaseous phases. Therefore, according to your analogy, if the Son is in existence, then the Father and the Holy Spirit cannot be simultaneously in existence.
@fandanstan if the Son is in existence, then the Father and the Holy Spirit cannot be simultaneously in existence.
That is what creation is, Solid, liquid and gas all rolled up into one thing.
Solid x liquid x gas = creation.
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made."
@fandanstan The quran says that the Trinity is " Allah is the third of three.". Suah 5:73.
If the author didn't think that Mary was a part of the Trinity, can you show me where he is talking about the third person of the Trinity in the Quran? The Holy Spirit.
@fandanstan Ya, I had to teach you what the Trinity was and asked you about 4 times to show me where we ever said Mary was a god and I lost....right...
@pretoshohmoofc I destroyed the Trinity with logic. Your lack of reasonable analogies helped as well. So yeah, I won. :)
I asked you where in the Quran it says that Mary was a part of the Trinity. You couldn't produce your proof. So that also makes you a false teacher and a liar.
@fandanstan You destroyed the Trinity with logic? the three laws of logic are.
1. A. A=A
2. A cannot be A an not A at the same time in the same sense.
3. Something is either true or false.
If A= One God in three persons. I don't seem to understand your point? If I said that we believed in One God in three persons, and at the same time said that they were one person, (The second Law) you would be right. But we don't. So I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about?
@fandanstan If Mary isn't the third person in the Trinity and Muhammad always talks about the Christian God being 1 of 3. Where does he ever talk about the Holy Spirit?
@fandanstan Thirdly, the quran also states that Allah does not have a son when He does not have a companion. Surah 6:101.
So Muhammad seemed to think that Mary was some kind of goddess or something. Which explains this statement in Surah 5:116. Because Surah 6:101 clearly shows the statement that when he created he world he was alone. Meaning, without any other god or goddess. So he couldn't have a god Son.
@fandanstan I don't have time for your Semantic word games. In islam, you don't have different kinds of gods running around out there. There is only one meaning for God in the quran expecially when it is dealing with a claim that Jesus isn't God. In the 6th century there was no other understanding of what this was talking about. Give me break.
@fandanstan Look, as a muslim you teach that there is no other god than Allah. right? Surah 5 was the counter argument to the Trinity. (Surah 5:72-73)That Allah is the only God out there and Jesus was not Allah. Well, sorry, but your quran included Mary into this divine acusation. Now you are trying to wiggle out of it! I asked you to show me where we teach that Mary is a god, you gave me silence. So you lost again!
@fandanstan In islam, you don't have different kinds of gods running around out there. There is only one meaning for God in the quran expecially when it is dealing with a claim that Jesus isn't God. In the 6th century there was no other understanding of what this was talking about. Give me break.
We Christians call this the Hypostatic Union. In order for Christ to fix man's problems and for man to understand God, God put on flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:1;14). As a man, Christ taught us how to pray, (matt 6:9). Man cannot understand God, but can understand man. So God who is by nature God, (phil 2:6) took on the form of man (phil 2:7) so that by understanding Christ, we can understand God. Christ is the revelation of the Father. (Hebrews 1:3).
@fandanstan I use math because YOU USED MATH. God=1. THAT'S MATH!!! When you use numbers to discribe your beliefs, I TOO USE NUMBERS TO DISCRIBE MY BELIEF.
@fandanstan. At Fandanstan. You have a Sun, the expression of the Son, and the effects of the Sun all existing at the same time. One Sun in its full expression. Think about it!
@fandanstan Your Qu'ran in Surah 5:116 also says that Mary is a part of the Trinity. we don't teach this, never taught this and never will teach this. Another sign of a false teacher. That Sir, is a buch of gibberish.
@pretoshohmoofc "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this, our exile, show us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!" = worship.
You guys also call her the "Mother of God". Logically, that puts her higher.
@fandanstan Where in this does it say that she is God? Christians DO call her the "Mother of God" but she is called this due to the human side of Jesus not the divine side. So can you show me ANYWHERE where we call her "God"?
@fandanstan Islam is quite clear. We believe in ONE God, who has ZERO partners, was never begotten, does NOT beget, and nothing is comparable to Him. We don't have any illogical creeds like Christianity.
And we Christians don't care what Isalm thinks. To us, your leader was a false prophet who lead people away from the True God. We don't invite a muslim interpretation of our scriptures, and will not allow a muslim to try to reinterpret what I believe God to be so that he can strawman me.
@fandanstan Face it, I beat you in this debate. You made a false claim that we teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father. and yet, you couldn't back it up.
So to me, you are a false teacher. I've proven it.
@fandanstan You are right, thinking the Father is the same Person as the Son is stupid. I couldn't agree more with you. But Like I keep trying to ram into that thick skull of yours. I don't believe it.
Question: Is 1x1x1=1 logical? Answer with a yes or no only.
@pretoshohmoofc No. Multiplying DOESN'T make sense. Since you haven't explained why you multiplied, I guess you just did it to get the answer as 1. LOLOL
Secondly, time is NOT an appropriate analogy. Past, present, and future are NOT all time, but they're all TYPES of time. Thus, if your analogy were to be applied to God, there would be 3 TYPES of god
My analogy about cars is more appropriate.
Toyota, Honda, Mazda = all cars, yet they're NOT all the same car.
@fandanstan No, Past in and of itself is fully time by nature. This is why I also showed you 1x1x1=1. Each 1 is 100% 1 on it's own. But all three 1's make up 1. You were forced to claim this to be unlogical because it was making too mush sense. And you couldn't have that now could you? You're playing word games with me, a sign of a failed argument.
@pretoshohmoofc "Past in and of itself is fully time by nature"
NO IT'S NOT. Time is composed of past, present, AND future. WIthout one, time is NOT whole.
Word games? LOL You just can't think rationally. You've been blinded by illogical creeds. Why do you think even the author of this video isn't refuting my claims?
@fandanstan So what you are then saying is, that Time in the singular is infact three things? You are claiming that that is logical. So ends your argument against the Trinity. I also noticed that you sidestepped 1x1x1=1. Why?
@fandanstan You again keep sidestepping the question that I had from the very start. You said that most Christians believe that the Son is the Father and yet I am still waiting for you to tell me what offical website to go to to back up your claim.
Seeing as you can't, are you then going to tell me that you were wrong?
I'll don't expect you to give me an honest answer but to play more sidestepping word games as you will demonstraite in your next post.
@fandanstan Also your Toyota,Honda example also donsn't work because you are trying to push DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARS into the mix knowing full well that you are misrepresenting my beliefs. i.e playing strawman games. I don't fall for it. This proves my Trinity to be true, because you can't refute it based on what it really is, you must misrepresent it in order to refute it.
@pretoshohmoofc "Also your Toyota,Honda example also donsn't work because you are trying to push DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARS into the mix knowing full well that you are misrepresenting my beliefs"
Past, present, and future are DIFFERENT points in time. I don't see how your own analogy is helping your cause. LOLLOLOLOL
@fandanstan And that is why you are a false teacher, because you teach falsely. You need to strawman my beliefs in order to try to defeat it. You cannot defeat it based on what we REALLY BELIEVE but on a misrepresntation. I TOO can say that you follow a moon god that lives in a black box in the middle of the arabian desert. Now will that convict you? NO!!! misrepreenting someone's beliefs never makes converts. It just fools the stupids.
@MuslimPerspective786. God has no physical Son, but God does have his noor, his glory, his word, his expression of himself. Call it whatever you want, but his noor (light), his glory, his word, his expression comes from God and extols the greatness of God and yet is God since it is the expression and emanation of God's glory. You can at least admit that?
Every Christian should be doing this, preaching the gospel on the streets so that everybody may have the chance to know how Great and how merciful god is. This is so awesome, God bless you brother and God bless your ministry!
Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.
And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
@StopSpamming1 Secularism has convinced people they come from monkeys and it is ok to act like animals since there is nothing beyond this life.
This invisible man whom you refer to listed 613 laws to which you probably broke most and is trying to help you to have a better life by showing you what it is that is causing the brokenness in your life (disobedience), but you choose to remain in your hell because you seem to think you know it all and that you are God! (Christs Forgiveness).
Only religious people believe this myth about monkeys. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. But that requires thinking and knowledge. It is easier to just repeat dogma.
I don't care what you think what a god thinks. I prefer to lead a good life and treat people with respect and don't insist they think what I think. Especially if it's some stupid story about sin.
@StopSpamming1. If you don't care about what I think God thinks, then why on God's (not yours) green earth are you even watching videos to do with what I think God thinks? You desire to lead a good life and treat people with respect but then you come on my posts disrespecting the preacher and religious people and their Stupid story of Sin. Don't you see a logical contradiction in your behaviour and the way you lead your life? Probably not, that is why I stand up to preach-People don't see!
Why do I do this? Because I want to let you know that I wish you would stop accosting others with your backward morality and invented things like sin. Why can't you keep quiet about what your superstitions are? I see young people being told lies about religions, regardless whether Muslim, Jew or Christianity.
And people like you, who think secular or evolution has something to do with atheism, spewing nonsense.
@Stop. "You do this...because I want to let you know that I wish...." You unknowingly are a preacher of your beliefs(welcome to the club). So now the true motive comes out (Disrespect towards those who preach morality. Or rather, a desire to stop and quench the voice of the religious. YOU are the one showing the intolerance and backward thinking in this age of equality and diversity. You probably would get along better in the primordial stage where cave man silenced cave man with a club!
@StopSpamming1 No one has invented sin, your living it daily! If you dont know the difference between right and wrong, nor see the need for morality.. then you are preaching nonsense. You waste your time commenting on youtube, I will spend my time reaching out on the streets! When you can look inside yourself and be honest with the fact that you are a preacher of unrighteousness, then let me know! Stop spamming brother!
@Damien-the analogy was based upon what one deserves vs the mercy God can offer. I am not taking your comment as a disrespect but a misunderstanding. We all live forever with the consequences of our actions or the forgiveness of our actions. Forgiveness from the offended party means that the offended party (God) let the offender off the hook and swallows pain of the offence accepting the pain, paying for it themselves. God never promised 1 million dollars but eternal life to those who believ
Wow that last analogy was trippy. So...God judges people but then steps in front of himself? I'm sorry, I mean no disrespect but it sounds rather silly to punish yourself and die when you can live forever. What kind of sacrifice is that? Not to mention he sounds masochistic and sadistic since he's the one who made hell in the first place. Still, at least we have those promises. So many promises, it must be true, since they promised us. What if I promise you a million dollars? It must be true.
Dr Zakir Naik would Humiliate you " Christsforgiveness " im sorry to say that but it is the truth since this guy is like so so so intelligent about Islam and Christianity it's unbelievable.
@esmail. Love you bro. I am going to prayer soon so I will respond more clearer to you later. But please noted that Shaitan knows and the jin know science better than all humans and probably light years ahead. Deception is like 99% truth and 1% error give or take the math. Proving that Jesus did not die on the cross because your book has a lot of scientific facts is like saying Moses never parted the red sea because science says miracles are not scientific.
Just like when Saul met Jesus on the road. He didn't know who Jesus was but as soon as he saw Him, he cried out who are you Lord? He knew Jesus's authority just by experiencing Him. (I bet it was hard to explain to others but to you, you know it's real)
We can talk about the do's and don't's until the end of the earth but what, I believe, is the main difference between Muslims and Christians is the experience of God: experiencing the signs, miracles, prophesies coming to pass, freedom, and hearing and seeing things from the LORD. I'm not saying that everyone knows how to walk in the Spirit but once you've experienced God's LIFE in yours, that intimate moment of intervention, it's impossible to question whether you're on the right track or not
@esmail- Before you judge the various sects of Christianity remember what your own prophet said, "The People of the Two Scriptures divided into seventy-two sects. This Ummah (ISLAM) will divide into seventy-three sects, all in the Fire except one, that is, the Jama`ah. Some of my Ummah will be guided by desire, like one who is infected by rabies; no vein or joint will be saved from these desires.’’
@christsforgiveness i know that some christians follow the bible how it should be followed but most of the christians dont even know about there religion and most of them eat pork and get DRUNK.
@esmail1901- You said Muslims are more Christians than Christians them selves (According to who? Your Imam, the Hadith? Like how? Please explain. You can't be more of a Christian if you don't even believe the same Jesus found in the Injil.
BTW, Jesus drank wine and many did in the Bible. The command in the Bible is not to drink alcohol in excess to drunkeness.
@christsforgiveness If this is Dave replying, Jesus didn't drink alcoholic wine, neither did He advocate drinking alcoholic wine nor did He have alcoholic wine at the Lord's Supper. Would the perfect, sinless man make a drink, or partake of a drink, that causes the brain to shrink? There are two main Hebrew words in the Bible for wine Tirosh and Yayin. Tirosh is always unfermented non-alcoholic grape juice and gladdens the heart and is good for an upset stomach...
@Awakened2Truth Yayin is also non-alcoholic when it is fresh and is sometimes referred to as a blessing, but when Yayin becomes fermented it becomes a poison and is severely condemned. God's people were not to drink alcohol
@christsforgiveness do u believe that jesus is 'god' or the son of 'god' if yes, can you please show me one place in the bible where it says that jesus said that i am god or the son of god.
Religion isn`t really logic at all! And if it is a Heaven/Hell concept.. 98% of the world population is going down.. but how? Our body are in the grave.. and our soul? Have to fly trough a another dimension to place itself in a copy of your body and then set in a eternal fire? What drives this fire?
HeimdallTheNorseman 2 days ago
Ohhhh cut it off when the Muslim gets a turn to talk again How Classy.
wwts1 1 week ago
Amen. Awesome Gospel preaching.
vizion24 1 week ago
1+1+1=1? lol haha simple maths the christian guy is speaking very bias and misenturpets the Quran
whydosentanynamework 1 week ago
@I never ever, ever...said 1+1+1=1. The muslim said that. Not me. I said, 1x1x1=1
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
this ia where salvation falls apart.. islam is based on a false foundation
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker. The Islamic belief definitely falls short and is intellectually dishonest when it comes to God's relationship with humanity.
christsforgiveness 2 weeks ago
@christsforgiveness hi so right you are islam is a works based religion - they must do good works to receive their rewards.. only by having more rewards are they accepted
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 weeks ago
Go and get a job instead talking nonsense.
Jesus4forver 2 weeks ago
@Jesus4forver. You talking to me (the man in white?).
christsforgiveness 2 weeks ago
And that is how you do that...
pretoshohmoofc 3 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc. I dont understand your statement?
christsforgiveness 3 weeks ago
@christsforgiveness What I meant was, the speaker of this video refuted the muslim beautifully! Well done! That is what I meant when I said, "and that is how you do that...1 Peter 3:15*****5 stars.
pretoshohmoofc 3 weeks ago
black negro
jumshid 3 weeks ago
@jumshid. Me? Why thank-you. Yes I am black (half white though) and my Knee grew a bit since I was a child.
christsforgiveness 3 weeks ago
@christsforgiveness Lool so funny
Scopps94 2 weeks ago
@jumshid What do you feel better clarifying that??
Scopps94 2 weeks ago
Neither Moses nor Mohammed could fulfill all of the law, thats part of why Jesus had to come, not you, me, or anyone else in all of humanity could obey all of the law all of the time. By Jesus perfect obedience to Father Gods commandments all the time He legally opened up Heaven (deuteronomy 28) and then gave as a gift eternal salvation to all of mankind to be reconciled in right relationship with God the Father.
TheKingdomheir 1 month ago
@TheKingdomheir. Thats right!
christsforgiveness 3 weeks ago
Glory to God! I shared this video on facebook and my friends thought it was really awesome!!! :)
MrQwerty826 1 month ago
@MrQwerty826. Amen!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Just one question: To whom does Jesus pray if Jesus is God?
fandanstan 1 month ago
@fandanstan. God! Two whom does your body make signals to and obey? Your mind and spirit. You are one human being with an expressive aspect and a hidden aspect, a knowable aspect and an unknowable aspect. God is unseen yet he manifests his glory and his glory relates and depends upon the unseen. Make sense?
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness No. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Just please give me a straightforward answer to these questions:
Is Jesus God?
To whom did Jesus pray?
fandanstan 1 month ago
@fandanstan. God's glory came from God. Jesus is God's glory and is God. Jesus prayed to God.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@fandanstan. Your tone gives me the impression that even if I gave you Gold, you would rather take copper. I hope you are willing to learn and understand as much as you want me to. Does what I said above really make no sense at all to you? Perhaps it doesn't fit into your way of thinking, but it does make a lot of sense.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just trying to understand.
You see, Jesus fell on his face to pray to God (like Muslims do). He says many times that "the Father is Greater than I".
And no, I WOULD take gold over copper any day. :)
fandanstan 1 month ago
@fandanstan Jesus doesn't need to pray to God because He is God. Jesus prayed to God when he was here on earth in human form.He prayed also to show/be an example for us christians to show us how we should live a holy life.Listen christians can't answer everything if we knew and understood everything what would be the point of God. thats why christianity is based on faith. faith in God, the only true and living God
JesusDaughta1 1 month ago
@JesusDaughta1. Good answer sister!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@JesusDaughta1 "Jesus doesn't need to pray to God because He is God. Jesus prayed to God when he was here on earth in human form"
Do you not see how illogical that is? If I'M GOD, then I would NOT be praying to God, because it would be useless. Even if Jesus was in human form, that would not take away from him being God, so in the end, he was just praying to himself.
fandanstan 1 month ago
@fandanstan he was just praying to himself.
You are confusing a anti-Christian heresy called Modalism with The Christian faith. We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father. How can you tell us that what we believe is wrong, if you don't even know what it is that we believe? First learn and except what we believe the Trinity to be THEN, base your arguments around refuting what we believe it to be, not based on a strawman argument.
Homework-look up Modalism.
pretoshohmoofc 3 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "he was just praying to himself"
WHY?! What is the benefit of seeking protection with himself? Makes zero sense.
fandanstan 3 weeks ago
@fandanstan First before I answer this, (and I can) you first agknowledge that you misrepresented my faith. Then...I'll answer this question, or it will show me that You can't be taught. If you do, then I'll show you from scripture how this is explained. If not, I'll know you are just a troll.
pretoshohmoofc 3 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father"
Really? I guess you're the only Christian that believes that. I acknowledge that I represented Christianity in a way that reflected most Christians' beliefs, hence why they always "The trinity: 3 in 1, 1 in 3."
fandanstan 3 weeks ago
@fandanstan No, you were trying to say that we teach Modalism. We do not.
Do we or do we not believe that God is ONE God in THREE PERSONS..
Yes or no?
And IF NOT can you show me from any offical Trinitarian website that we teach any differently? Note: Not some person's private website. But from an offical Protestant or Catholic one.
pretoshohmoofc 3 weeks ago
@fandanstan I am still waiting for you to show me from an official Trinitarian website that we teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc First you said: "We don't believe or teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father".
Now you're saying that "God is ONE God in THREE PERSONS"
Don't you see that that makes zero sense? If Jesus is NOT the same person as the Father, but God is ONE in 3 persons (hence they're all the same ONE God), then you're basically contradicting yourself.
Your logic: God = Father, God = Son, God = Holy Spirit, BUT Jesus =/= Father
NO SENSE. Learn yo' math son!
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan I asked you to show me from any offical Trinitarian website that we teach that the Father is the same person as the Son. You get one more chance, then I'll blow you off as a false teacher.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc If the Father is NOT the same person as the Son, then you're worshipping >1 God. Isn't that blasphemous?
Didn't you see the LOGICAL equations I typed out for you? Just because you can't refute it doesn't make me the bad guy.
I challenge you to make it make sense to me (or anyone for the matter). That's right! YOU CAN'T. Sorry 'bout that.
;)
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan You keep insisting that we teach that the Father is the same person as the Son, but you can't show me one single solitary offical website which teaches this?
Are you kidding me?
If you could, you would have shown me by now.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc I've used logic to prove that if the Father is not the Son, then you believe in more than one God. :)
Just because you can't answer logically doesn't make me in the wrong.
No where in the Bible does Jesus say UNEQUIVOCALLY that he is God or where he says to worship him.
Islam is quite clear. We believe in ONE God, who has ZERO partners, was never begotten, does NOT beget, and nothing is comparable to Him. We don't have any illogical creeds like Christianity.
Sorry. :)
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Just because you can't answer logically doesn't make me in the wrong.
Time is made up of 3 different things. Past, Present and Future. All are not the same and have different functions. yet, all make up one thing. Time.
Is this logical?
Just give me a Yes or No answer. Nothing more. Anything more and I'll know you are stumped and are trying to reason your way out of it.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc LOL You're absolutely correct. They ALL make up time. They're ALL also existent AT THE SAME TIME. As I'm typing this, there is a past, there is a present, and there is a future.
Therefore, if God represents your analogy, then the Son, the Father and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate entities existing AT THE SAME TIME, thus they logically cannot be the same one God.
Think about it this way: I have a Toyota, a Honda, and a Mazda. They're ALL cars, yet they cannot be the SAME car
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan They ALL make up time. They're ALL also existent AT THE SAME TIME.
YES, YES, YES! Now you are starting to understand the Trinity!!!!
Very Good! if God represents your analogy, then the Son, the Father and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate entities existing AT THE SAME TIME,
Yes, AT THE SAME (SINGULAR) Time. But just like Time, there isn't 3 Times going on at the same Time but just one.
You are starting to get it.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc If you're not interested in telling me why God prayed to God, then I'm afraid I must conclude you don't have an answer. If you truly had an answer, you would've told me already without much trouble.
Guess you're just trying to justify nonsensical creeds and beliefs.
Islam's easier to believe. ONE God. That's it. Jesus was just a messenger, which is why he fell down on his face in prayer (it says that in the Bible), the same way Muslims do. Why don't Christians?
Peace. :)
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Oh no you don't, I'm not letting you change the subject, I told you that I can and will answer why Christ prayed to the Father AFTER we conclude with our FIRST AND ORIGINAL TOPIC. I know what a red herring smells like.
Did you or did you NOT say that most Christians believed that the Son is the Father. But you can't show me one single example of this in the Christian statements of beliefs.
Not one...
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc Okay. Christians DON'T believe that the father = the son. NOW tell me why God prayed to God.
:)
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Good, thank you for admitting that you are a false teacher.
Jesus had to become a man (fully 100% man) in order for him to become the last Adam. The first Adam failed, so the last Adam had to fix the 1st's Adam's problem. So he emptied himself and became a man, (plil 2:5-6) and came under the laws of men. (Gal 4:4.). As a man, he had to submit as a man to God. (psalms 22:10) "...from my mother's womb you have been my God". to be our example. (Heb 2:14; Heb 4:14-15.)
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "Jesus had to become a man (fully 100% man)"
Oh, so Jesus wasn't God. He was just a man? Or are you going to tell me he was 100% Man AND 100% God?
I'd love to see you use your pseudomath to get out of this one.
And admit right now that you misrepresented what the Quran said about Mary, or I won't bother to continue speaking with a false teacher such as yourself.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan This is easy. You believe that the Qu'ran is 100% divine in origin and at the same time, you also believe that the Qu'ran that you are holding in your hands is also 100% man made, the paper,ink, book, arabic languare, grammar etc...
So if the Qu'ran is 100% human in origin, how can it also be 100% the written word of Allah?
You like me, believe that is is both.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@pretoshohmoofc "You like me, believe that is is both."
I don't believe that the ink and paper Quran I hold in my hand is from God. I believe the words are, but NOT the physical bound book I hold in my hands.
That's where we differ. Besides, why bother comparing our scriptures? Christianity has volumes upon volumes of different versions of the Bible, whereas if you were to compare the Quranic text I hold in my hands to a 7th century one, it would be the same letter for letter.
Thanks :)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Give me a straight answer. In Surah 5:116 is it or is it not talking about Mary the mother of Jesus, and is it or is it not saying that she was God?
Give me a straight answer. No more of your games.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc No. You said that the Quran states that Mary is a part of the trinity. Admit that it didn't say that, and admit that you are a false teacher that misrepresented what the Quran ACTUALLY said.
Admit it now. :)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Like I showed you from Surah 5:72-73 the Trinity was the subject of Surah 5.
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary"...They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God.
You can't deny this!
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Does Surah 5:116 call Jesus and Mary Gods?
Yes or No?
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Everytime you are forced to play your games, I smile.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc You said that the Quran specifically states Mary as part of the Trinity. You cannot deny that you said that. I have the proof.
So are you going to admit to being a false teacher or not? Are you going to admit that you lied or not?
Just admit it so that we can get back on your illogical beliefs.
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
Case closed.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@fandanstan In Surah 5:116 what ever Jesus is as far as being God, Mary was ALSO according to the Quran. So we teach that Jesus was the second person of the Trinity the ALMIGHTY GOD. The quran made no distinction between the two.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'"
Surah 5:116
Case closed!
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc I don't see the word "Trinity" there. Do you? You DID say that the Quran says Mary is a part of the Trinity. Quote me one verse which says that.
CASE CLOSED.
Admit that you lied and that you're a false teacher. :)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan. What is the point of this back and forth argument. You heard the Islamic perspective and the Jesus perspective in this video. From this point, it is up to you what you desire to believe. If you are like that muslim fellow who refuses the mercy of God found in Jesus thinking that he will please God by his good deeds, you will be very disappointed on judgement day. If you accept the death of Christ, you can go free. Hope this makes sense.
christsforgiveness 1 week ago
@christsforgiveness "If you accept the death of Christ..."
If YOU believe that God can die, then YOU will be very disappointed on judgment day.
Give me a break. rofl
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Christ's spirit didn't die, only his flesh did. He predated his flesh, he can live beyond it. Even Isalm teaches that someone can live beyond their physical bodies!!
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanst Can you show me where we say that Mary is a god?
You are hiding behind the fact that the word Trinity is not in Q 5:116 but STILL are teaching falsely about Mary.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc No. You said that the Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity, which it does NOT.
Now admit to being a liar and a false teacher.
I'm only going to ask ONE more time. :)
I'm just going to leave you with this:
You believe that the Father is different from the Son. You also believe that the Father is 100% God, while also believing that the Son is 100% the SAME God.
It doesn't matter that you BELIEVE that the Son isn't the Father. Logic is logic.
Have fun. :)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Ok, so your whole counter argument hinges on the fact that a statement was made that the word itself isn't in the quote.
Ok, where do Christians teach that Mary was a God?
Remember,...you yourself made the case the the direct quote MUST BE THERE. So off you go...
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc No no no. You said that the Quran said that Mary is PART OF THE TRINITY. (Srsly, are your reading skills lacking?) IT DOES NOT. rofl How long is it going to take for you to admit to being a liar and a false teacher.
The fact that it says some Christians took Mary as God doesn't have anything to do with anything. The fact is that you said something FALSE.
Now, one more time: ADMIT TO BEING A FALSE TEACHER AND A LIAR.
:)
:)
:)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Surah 5:116 is clearly saying that Mary is a part of the Trinity. Clearly.
Also, I already beaten you on this. You cannot find anywhere where we teach that Mary is God.
So you lost.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@fandanstan The fact that it says some Christians took Mary as God doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Give me one example of us EVER SAYING THAT MARY WAS A GOD.
one example. You couldn't. so your quran has been proven wrong....again...
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Suragh 6:101 is clearly saying that Mary is a god who gives birth to the Son of God.
We don't teach or believe this.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@pretoshohmoofc "Suragh 6:101 is clearly saying that Mary is a god who gives birth to the Son of God."
6:101 - "The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things?"
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT MARY IS A GOD WHO GIVES BIRTH TO THE SON OF GOD?!?!
Once again! LEARN HOW TO READ! ROFL
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan As for your second question, I already answered it. Just look below for the answer. It's not my fault that you can't seen to be able to read nor count. It's yours.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc You say that the Father =/= Son, yet if they're BOTH the SAME God, then LOGIC IS LOGIC.
Your time analogy doesn't apply, since the past isn't 100% time. Time is composed of past, present, and future. Therefore, past = 1/3 of time. Therefore, Son = 1/3 God.
Have fun. :)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan So the answer is no. There is nowhere in history or the modern chruch where we have ever called Mary "God". So whoever wrote the quran didn't seem to understand our beliefs. Some prophet of God he was.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@pretoshohmoofc You said that the Quran says that Mary is a part of the Trinity. It does NOT. Admit to being a false teacher and a liar.
I said, "Therefore, Son = 1/3 God", then you said, "You are right. the Son is not 1/3 God."
You're in some serious need of reading skills. ;)
"Muhammad called God the third of three"
But do you not believe ALL are 100% God? It wouldn't matter which of the three was called God. LOL Some Christian YOU are. I know more about your religion than you. LOL
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Therefore, Son = 1/3 God
You are right. the Son is not 1/3 God. Now read Surah 5:73 where Muhammad called God the third of three. Infact, we say that the Father is the first person in the Trinity not the third. So, again, Muhammad was mistaken. Some prophet he was.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan since the past isn't 100% time
That's not true. I can say, "in a future time it will happen." And this is me talking about the future which does not include the Past or Present but is still being addressed as time.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc TIME (as a whole) is composed of PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE. To say that the PAST IS 100% time is wrong and you know it. Stop trying to make sense out of the senseless.
Allow me to equation it up for you:
Time = Past + Present + Future
The PAST is nothing but a specific POINT IN TIME, not TIME in its entirety.
Seriously, I thought I wouldn't have to spell it out for you. Then again, you believe God can die.
;)
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan I can also say that Solid,liquid and gas are all one thing. Matter. And yet, solid on it's own is 100% Matter.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc Ah, replacing your RIDICULOUS analogy for another ridiculous one! LOL
You're absolutely right that matter is solid, liquid, and gas. BUT, if some piece of matter is in its solid phase, then it cannot simultaneously be in its liquid and gaseous phases. Therefore, according to your analogy, if the Son is in existence, then the Father and the Holy Spirit cannot be simultaneously in existence.
BOOM goes your analogy.
fandanstan 1 week ago
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@fandanstan if the Son is in existence, then the Father and the Holy Spirit cannot be simultaneously in existence.
That is what creation is, Solid, liquid and gas all rolled up into one thing.
Solid x liquid x gas = creation.
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made."
Romans 1:20
BOOM goes your theory!
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan
In the beginnng was Solid, and solid was with Matter, and solid is Matter.
In the Beginning was the word (Jesus) and the word was with God and the word (Jesus) was God.
John 1:1
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan 1x1x1=1
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc 1x1x1x1x1x1x1 is also equal to 1
LOL Stop it with your absurd math. 1/1/1 = 1 as well. Why are you multiplying and not dividing?
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan The quran says that the Trinity is " Allah is the third of three.". Suah 5:73.
If the author didn't think that Mary was a part of the Trinity, can you show me where he is talking about the third person of the Trinity in the Quran? The Holy Spirit.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Only 3 persons have been revealed within the Holy Scriptures within the Unity of the ONE true God.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc Are these the only remaining things you have to say?
You lost bro. Suck it up and move on.
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Ya, I had to teach you what the Trinity was and asked you about 4 times to show me where we ever said Mary was a god and I lost....right...
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc I destroyed the Trinity with logic. Your lack of reasonable analogies helped as well. So yeah, I won. :)
I asked you where in the Quran it says that Mary was a part of the Trinity. You couldn't produce your proof. So that also makes you a false teacher and a liar.
So YEAH, I WON. Yayy
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan You destroyed the Trinity with logic? the three laws of logic are.
1. A. A=A
2. A cannot be A an not A at the same time in the same sense.
3. Something is either true or false.
If A= One God in three persons. I don't seem to understand your point? If I said that we believed in One God in three persons, and at the same time said that they were one person, (The second Law) you would be right. But we don't. So I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about?
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan If Mary isn't the third person in the Trinity and Muhammad always talks about the Christian God being 1 of 3. Where does he ever talk about the Holy Spirit?
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Thirdly, the quran also states that Allah does not have a son when He does not have a companion. Surah 6:101.
So Muhammad seemed to think that Mary was some kind of goddess or something. Which explains this statement in Surah 5:116. Because Surah 6:101 clearly shows the statement that when he created he world he was alone. Meaning, without any other god or goddess. So he couldn't have a god Son.
The text explains itself. I don't need your help.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan I don't have time for your Semantic word games. In islam, you don't have different kinds of gods running around out there. There is only one meaning for God in the quran expecially when it is dealing with a claim that Jesus isn't God. In the 6th century there was no other understanding of what this was talking about. Give me break.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@pretoshohmoofc "I don't have time for your Semantic word games"
Semantics? This has NOTHING to do with semantics. LOL This is about what you said, not the meaning of what you said.
I smell someone trying to change the subject! :)
Admit that you are a liar and a false teacher.
fandanstan 1 week ago
@fandanstan Look, as a muslim you teach that there is no other god than Allah. right? Surah 5 was the counter argument to the Trinity. (Surah 5:72-73)That Allah is the only God out there and Jesus was not Allah. Well, sorry, but your quran included Mary into this divine acusation. Now you are trying to wiggle out of it! I asked you to show me where we teach that Mary is a god, you gave me silence. So you lost again!
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
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@fandanstan In islam, you don't have different kinds of gods running around out there. There is only one meaning for God in the quran expecially when it is dealing with a claim that Jesus isn't God. In the 6th century there was no other understanding of what this was talking about. Give me break.
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan Part II
We Christians call this the Hypostatic Union. In order for Christ to fix man's problems and for man to understand God, God put on flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:1;14). As a man, Christ taught us how to pray, (matt 6:9). Man cannot understand God, but can understand man. So God who is by nature God, (phil 2:6) took on the form of man (phil 2:7) so that by understanding Christ, we can understand God. Christ is the revelation of the Father. (Hebrews 1:3).
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Part III
See, I knew the answer the whole time.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Islam's easier to believe. ONE God. That's it.
Ahh.. well duh...we believe in the Same thing. funny, your math is logical when it is 1=1. But seems to fail you when it is 1x1x1=1.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc You still haven't said WHY you're MULTIPLYING. LOL What's the point? It makes no mathematical sense.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan I use math because YOU USED MATH. God=1. THAT'S MATH!!! When you use numbers to discribe your beliefs, I TOO USE NUMBERS TO DISCRIBE MY BELIEF.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
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@fandanstan Think about it this way: I have a Toyota, a Honda, and a Mazda. They're ALL cars, yet they cannot be the SAME car
Not Toyota, a Honda, and a Mazda, All of them are a Toyota, same modal, same paint Job, 3 cars one can of paint. All blue.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan. At Fandanstan. You have a Sun, the expression of the Son, and the effects of the Sun all existing at the same time. One Sun in its full expression. Think about it!
christsforgiveness 2 weeks ago
@christsforgiveness That's a bunch of gibberish.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Your Qu'ran in Surah 5:116 also says that Mary is a part of the Trinity. we don't teach this, never taught this and never will teach this. Another sign of a false teacher. That Sir, is a buch of gibberish.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "Your Qu'ran in Surah 5:116 also says that Mary is a part of the Trinity"
No it doesn't. Why're you lying? It says NOTHING about the trinity.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan In Surah 5:72-73 the Trinity is the subject of the chapter. And talks about Mary and Jesus.
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary"
Surah 5:72-73
Then it goes on to discribe Jesus denying that he nor his mother Mary were ever Gods in
Surah 6:116.
when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'
Well, when did Christians EVER say that Mary was a god?
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this, our exile, show us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!" = worship.
You guys also call her the "Mother of God". Logically, that puts her higher.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Where in this does it say that she is God? Christians DO call her the "Mother of God" but she is called this due to the human side of Jesus not the divine side. So can you show me ANYWHERE where we call her "God"?
pretoshohmoofc 1 week ago
@fandanstan In Surah 5:73 it reads,
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God.
Surah 5 is the subject of the Trinity. You can't deny this.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
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@fandanstan No where in the Bible does Jesus say UNEQUIVOCALLY that he is God or where he says to worship him.
Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say, "I Jesus am the Messiah."
well, was he?
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Islam is quite clear. We believe in ONE God, who has ZERO partners, was never begotten, does NOT beget, and nothing is comparable to Him. We don't have any illogical creeds like Christianity.
And we Christians don't care what Isalm thinks. To us, your leader was a false prophet who lead people away from the True God. We don't invite a muslim interpretation of our scriptures, and will not allow a muslim to try to reinterpret what I believe God to be so that he can strawman me.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Face it, I beat you in this debate. You made a false claim that we teach that Jesus is the same person as the Father. and yet, you couldn't back it up.
So to me, you are a false teacher. I've proven it.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "You keep insisting that we teach that the Father is the same person as the Son,"
God = Father, right? God = Son, right? Therefore... USE YOUR HEAD. LOLOL
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan You are right, thinking the Father is the same Person as the Son is stupid. I couldn't agree more with you. But Like I keep trying to ram into that thick skull of yours. I don't believe it.
Question: Is 1x1x1=1 logical? Answer with a yes or no only.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc 1x1x1? Why're you multiplying? It doesn't make sense.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan You think that multiplying doesn't make sense?
Are you that dumb?
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc No. Multiplying DOESN'T make sense. Since you haven't explained why you multiplied, I guess you just did it to get the answer as 1. LOLOL
Secondly, time is NOT an appropriate analogy. Past, present, and future are NOT all time, but they're all TYPES of time. Thus, if your analogy were to be applied to God, there would be 3 TYPES of god
My analogy about cars is more appropriate.
Toyota, Honda, Mazda = all cars, yet they're NOT all the same car.
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan No, Past in and of itself is fully time by nature. This is why I also showed you 1x1x1=1. Each 1 is 100% 1 on it's own. But all three 1's make up 1. You were forced to claim this to be unlogical because it was making too mush sense. And you couldn't have that now could you? You're playing word games with me, a sign of a failed argument.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@pretoshohmoofc "Past in and of itself is fully time by nature"
NO IT'S NOT. Time is composed of past, present, AND future. WIthout one, time is NOT whole.
Word games? LOL You just can't think rationally. You've been blinded by illogical creeds. Why do you think even the author of this video isn't refuting my claims?
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan So what you are then saying is, that Time in the singular is infact three things? You are claiming that that is logical. So ends your argument against the Trinity. I also noticed that you sidestepped 1x1x1=1. Why?
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan You again keep sidestepping the question that I had from the very start. You said that most Christians believe that the Son is the Father and yet I am still waiting for you to tell me what offical website to go to to back up your claim.
Seeing as you can't, are you then going to tell me that you were wrong?
I'll don't expect you to give me an honest answer but to play more sidestepping word games as you will demonstraite in your next post.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan Also your Toyota,Honda example also donsn't work because you are trying to push DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARS into the mix knowing full well that you are misrepresenting my beliefs. i.e playing strawman games. I don't fall for it. This proves my Trinity to be true, because you can't refute it based on what it really is, you must misrepresent it in order to refute it.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
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@pretoshohmoofc "Also your Toyota,Honda example also donsn't work because you are trying to push DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARS into the mix knowing full well that you are misrepresenting my beliefs"
Past, present, and future are DIFFERENT points in time. I don't see how your own analogy is helping your cause. LOLLOLOLOL
fandanstan 2 weeks ago
@fandanstan And that is why you are a false teacher, because you teach falsely. You need to strawman my beliefs in order to try to defeat it. You cannot defeat it based on what we REALLY BELIEVE but on a misrepresntation. I TOO can say that you follow a moon god that lives in a black box in the middle of the arabian desert. Now will that convict you? NO!!! misrepreenting someone's beliefs never makes converts. It just fools the stupids.
pretoshohmoofc 2 weeks ago
Jesus is not god nor does god have a son. Islam is the way to salvation while christianity is the way to corruption.
MuslimPerspective786 1 month ago
@MuslimPerspective786. God has no physical Son, but God does have his noor, his glory, his word, his expression of himself. Call it whatever you want, but his noor (light), his glory, his word, his expression comes from God and extols the greatness of God and yet is God since it is the expression and emanation of God's glory. You can at least admit that?
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Every Christian should be doing this, preaching the gospel on the streets so that everybody may have the chance to know how Great and how merciful god is. This is so awesome, God bless you brother and God bless your ministry!
xxShellyBeanxx 1 month ago
@xxShellyBeanxx. You right. Join us if you are in Toronto! Blessings!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.
And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But he loves you!
(GCarlin)
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
@StopSpamming1 Secularism has convinced people they come from monkeys and it is ok to act like animals since there is nothing beyond this life.
This invisible man whom you refer to listed 613 laws to which you probably broke most and is trying to help you to have a better life by showing you what it is that is causing the brokenness in your life (disobedience), but you choose to remain in your hell because you seem to think you know it all and that you are God! (Christs Forgiveness).
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness
Only religious people believe this myth about monkeys. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. But that requires thinking and knowledge. It is easier to just repeat dogma.
I don't care what you think what a god thinks. I prefer to lead a good life and treat people with respect and don't insist they think what I think. Especially if it's some stupid story about sin.
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
@StopSpamming1. If you don't care about what I think God thinks, then why on God's (not yours) green earth are you even watching videos to do with what I think God thinks? You desire to lead a good life and treat people with respect but then you come on my posts disrespecting the preacher and religious people and their Stupid story of Sin. Don't you see a logical contradiction in your behaviour and the way you lead your life? Probably not, that is why I stand up to preach-People don't see!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness
Why do I do this? Because I want to let you know that I wish you would stop accosting others with your backward morality and invented things like sin. Why can't you keep quiet about what your superstitions are? I see young people being told lies about religions, regardless whether Muslim, Jew or Christianity.
And people like you, who think secular or evolution has something to do with atheism, spewing nonsense.
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
@Stop. "You do this...because I want to let you know that I wish...." You unknowingly are a preacher of your beliefs(welcome to the club). So now the true motive comes out (Disrespect towards those who preach morality. Or rather, a desire to stop and quench the voice of the religious. YOU are the one showing the intolerance and backward thinking in this age of equality and diversity. You probably would get along better in the primordial stage where cave man silenced cave man with a club!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@StopSpamming1 No one has invented sin, your living it daily! If you dont know the difference between right and wrong, nor see the need for morality.. then you are preaching nonsense. You waste your time commenting on youtube, I will spend my time reaching out on the streets! When you can look inside yourself and be honest with the fact that you are a preacher of unrighteousness, then let me know! Stop spamming brother!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Hard to tell, don't see him around anymore preaching Islam. But many other Muslims gave their lives to the Lord.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Did the muslim end up getting saved?
gzus4eva 1 month ago
@gzus4evaHard to tell, don't see him around anymore preaching Islam. But many other Muslims gave their lives to the Lord.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness Oh ok! Good to hear!! :) God bless ur ministry and may you continue to press on!!
gzus4eva 1 month ago 2
@gzus4eva Amen!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago 3
God bless you my brother. Very inspiring.
topsyjames 1 month ago
@westindiesgyaldem- amen.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
God Bless this guy!! Continue to spread God's message of love and forgiveness :D
westindiesgyaldem 1 month ago
@Damien. Don't get tripped on sin, trip into God's mercy brother!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@Damien-the analogy was based upon what one deserves vs the mercy God can offer. I am not taking your comment as a disrespect but a misunderstanding. We all live forever with the consequences of our actions or the forgiveness of our actions. Forgiveness from the offended party means that the offended party (God) let the offender off the hook and swallows pain of the offence accepting the pain, paying for it themselves. God never promised 1 million dollars but eternal life to those who believ
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Wow that last analogy was trippy. So...God judges people but then steps in front of himself? I'm sorry, I mean no disrespect but it sounds rather silly to punish yourself and die when you can live forever. What kind of sacrifice is that? Not to mention he sounds masochistic and sadistic since he's the one who made hell in the first place. Still, at least we have those promises. So many promises, it must be true, since they promised us. What if I promise you a million dollars? It must be true.
DamienZshadow 1 month ago
Dr. Zakir Naik humiliates himself by rejecting Jesus Christ and placing his faith in a self authenticating book!
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Dr Zakir Naik would Humiliate you " Christsforgiveness " im sorry to say that but it is the truth since this guy is like so so so intelligent about Islam and Christianity it's unbelievable.
crawla7 1 month ago
@esmail. Love you bro. I am going to prayer soon so I will respond more clearer to you later. But please noted that Shaitan knows and the jin know science better than all humans and probably light years ahead. Deception is like 99% truth and 1% error give or take the math. Proving that Jesus did not die on the cross because your book has a lot of scientific facts is like saying Moses never parted the red sea because science says miracles are not scientific.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
Just like when Saul met Jesus on the road. He didn't know who Jesus was but as soon as he saw Him, he cried out who are you Lord? He knew Jesus's authority just by experiencing Him. (I bet it was hard to explain to others but to you, you know it's real)
emjaypogo 1 month ago
We can talk about the do's and don't's until the end of the earth but what, I believe, is the main difference between Muslims and Christians is the experience of God: experiencing the signs, miracles, prophesies coming to pass, freedom, and hearing and seeing things from the LORD. I'm not saying that everyone knows how to walk in the Spirit but once you've experienced God's LIFE in yours, that intimate moment of intervention, it's impossible to question whether you're on the right track or not
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emjaypogo 1 month ago
@esmail- Before you judge the various sects of Christianity remember what your own prophet said, "The People of the Two Scriptures divided into seventy-two sects. This Ummah (ISLAM) will divide into seventy-three sects, all in the Fire except one, that is, the Jama`ah. Some of my Ummah will be guided by desire, like one who is infected by rabies; no vein or joint will be saved from these desires.’’
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness i know that some christians follow the bible how it should be followed but most of the christians dont even know about there religion and most of them eat pork and get DRUNK.
esmail1901 1 month ago
@esmail1901- You said Muslims are more Christians than Christians them selves (According to who? Your Imam, the Hadith? Like how? Please explain. You can't be more of a Christian if you don't even believe the same Jesus found in the Injil.
BTW, Jesus drank wine and many did in the Bible. The command in the Bible is not to drink alcohol in excess to drunkeness.
christsforgiveness 1 month ago
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Awakened2Truth 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness If this is Dave replying, Jesus didn't drink alcoholic wine, neither did He advocate drinking alcoholic wine nor did He have alcoholic wine at the Lord's Supper. Would the perfect, sinless man make a drink, or partake of a drink, that causes the brain to shrink? There are two main Hebrew words in the Bible for wine Tirosh and Yayin. Tirosh is always unfermented non-alcoholic grape juice and gladdens the heart and is good for an upset stomach...
Awakened2Truth 1 month ago
@Awakened2Truth Yayin is also non-alcoholic when it is fresh and is sometimes referred to as a blessing, but when Yayin becomes fermented it becomes a poison and is severely condemned. God's people were not to drink alcohol
w w w.robertroberg(dot)com/writings/wine.html
Awakened2Truth 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness what im saying is that muslims follow the teaching of all the prophet
esmail1901 1 month ago
@christsforgiveness do u believe that jesus is 'god' or the son of 'god' if yes, can you please show me one place in the bible where it says that jesus said that i am god or the son of god.
esmail1901 1 month ago