yea the world might come to tht fukk tht shit come up quik in the world ive been doing it bitchhhh i aint worried got other shit to worry about like my lady leaving me. sedzzzz fukk ur technology fukk selling my soul fukk cheaterz ull c me in the afterlife fukkk everyone. my life has been better since she kame in so if shes gone ull c the change. ill change the whole world will change ill make sure of it fukk phrophets i got my word muthafukkaaaa....
What humans believe to be sapience is the combination of intellectual power and motivation. We can make the most powerfull computing device in creation and without giving it a complex set of goals it wont be sapient. We will have to program goals and desires before we can create a true AI and that would make us godlike. We could make something godlike and free thinking but its basic goasl would be what we have told it.
in the way that ray is doing: It is a lethal force that is wearing away at the barrier that protects us from the rise of AGI. Until we perfect friendliness programming, we are just not ready for that shit.
'Its not like it will grow legs and break into white house and get the launch codes.' As if it needs physical mobility to accomplish goals in the real world. Theres nothing to prevent an artifint from obtaining the nuclear codes, even through an interface as primitive as a vt 100 terminal.
kind of like saying that the only places that minds exist are in brains, or include an entire central nervous system, so that what is part of a system is in the system and what might not be in the system might become a part of the system or something that fuels, feeds or otherwise is either an extension of the system or an intervention, a unification, a visitation, an exception, inception, an addition, a catalyst...so forth and so on. retrieved, reversed, obsolesced, enhanced n.o.t.a.
I have found this to be true. God is not a single entity like some old bearded guy in the clouds. God is a collection of living souls connected by love, and the source of that love is us. God is not perfect because we are not perfect. When we finally learn to TRULY feel love, the world WILL be a better place. Jesus himself said "God is Love" - and he was right! The truth has been in front of our eyes for 2000 years and no-one wants to see because it's easier to hate.
... And again that is the simple view of a simple man as some of you have pointed out. I don't seek approval, and neither should any one else. I don't like "Religion" because it's FOUNDATION lies on that of the approval of it's followers respective to their particular practices. Organized religion gives comfort to the many, through the f
@MCmultiverse. Wow, didn't think I would get all this feedback; I didn't intend to belittle anyone so I'll start by apologizing for that. To answer your question, my view of what "God" is would be the persistent energy that allows me to experience reality. One way or another I am here, in this moment, conscious and aware. The means behind which this is possible is God.
What difference does it make as the reality of God or anything else is totally a matter of your own perception. That there is a devil there can be no doubt, but is he trying to get in or is he trying to get out!
if, in this case a computer, can be smarter than us - our mind being what we are -- at least our key to understanding the world - then would they essentially be more alive then us? our mentality being our justification for ourselves as systems?
Does this not make more apparent that consciousness is an illusion?
We should advance ourselves in order to advance further... to only further understand our limitations? Why would anyone in this situation not retreat into an alternate reality?
Whilst we continue to advance technologically, my own predictions indicate that Ray Kurzweil is highly optimistic in his time line. We also are not really any closer to hard AI than we were decades ago. Much of the current research is climbing "false peaks", although it will still have some application.
@Aijuswannawatch@Aijuswannawatch@Aijuswannawatch hey Aijus.. some assumption here that need to be tested.. ""the ONLY place GOD exists is within your own minds"".....Describe GOD ... (your perception of GOD rather than the christian GOD) ..2) You are making the assumption that "god exists in a place""... when we know that god is a mystery beyond anthropocentric space-time traps...3) your assumption that God can "never" be proved also limits human potential ... 4)say "NEVER""..and I shake
I think Ray's idears are great, but I think he's being WAY too Optimistic about it. He is so convinced that nothing can go wrong with the Singularity. When infact the slightes error can mean total disaster, as everything will be dependant on everything. I don't think humanity should go beyond the Nanobot enhancement, I don't think we should all "Become one". Ever seen star trek TNG? When they encounter "The Borg"? I think if this happens, we will end up much like that.
Humans will continue to make the wheel rounder and rounder and even MORE ROUND until.....wait for it......drum roll please ..........until it ...reaches what those of us who can read call a, say it slowly now, "Sing Guuuuu larrr rih Teee" THEN MY theory predicts that it will ROLL!!!!
The problem with many Jews is that they are self promoters, obsessed with wanting credit for banal ideas. Its annoying. Does anyone really think Kurzweil originated this idea? sheesh.
He is aggressive and was able to patent some tech and make some cash. So, what? America is filled with people like that. Asian Americans are contributing more to science than jews yet they are MODEST.
Seriously, if you want to see into the future just watch the movie "Idiocracy".
You people are created humans! You really wanna be a robot?
And that's a whole 'nother level of how the government can use this to brainwash you people!! They can choose your beliefs... this removes logic and reason and the human inside you! its sickening! This is beautiful technology, but it's dangerous too! You must be careful of people can use this technology on you. people if anything, you must stop this from becoming!!!!!!!
@TheYarro Another con game, this will eliminate people whom they deem less intelligent than themselves. ?They have no intention of allowing you to share in his world unless your willing to take his mark. The civilization as they design it will collapse shortly hereafter, they have already totally destroyed the majority of what was perfect here by tampering with perfection. Ego's that love and want other men to look up to them as if they were God's. Ankkkkkkkkk wrong answer, sorry they are not.
@Yahunatan1 If I want a lesson I'll watch Sesame Street. Okay big bird? And you spelled ankle wrong, it's not ank...its ANKLE. No wonder they are going to create human robots because we don't know how to even spell correctly. So in the end it comes down to you and your idiocy. Peace out chollo. By the way Bill Gates wants your chicken nuggets, check out TED/ DEPOPULATION, you probably won't like that either. Neither did I. But...YOU RULE RAY KURZWEIL! :P
Oh yeah of course theres no God the universe just happened right? Everything just started existing. There had to be something that made everything and im not talking about life or evolution, im talking about existence. And maybe that higgs bosom all the four-eyes are talking about is God?
OK, so here is a big announcement that all of you so caught up on religion need to understand... the ONLY place "GOD" exists is within your own mind!! As a result of cultural up bringing you believe in a concept that can never be proved or disproved (well, while your alive anyway) However, we are all nothing more than collections of memories and ideas uniquely structured from our PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD AROUND US. Not all religion is cop-out for logic... just western religions; sorry Christians
@Aijuswannawatch you seem so sure of yourself, yet your just man, and you get your logic from man, do you know how imperfect men are? do you know how many theories and hypothesis's have been created?, yet the belief in God has prevailed since the beginning of time. that is because God was there, he created the universe. There is a God. He is alive. and the fact that man is arrogant enough to disclaim him, is gut wrenching. there is a judgement day. its coming. Jesus is coming. will you be ready
@Aijuswannawatch I understand where your coming from but the fact is that no one knows. The end of the rainbow is unknown to anyone who has not yet been there and you, and I have not. So dont be so sure you cocky basttard ;)
Sounds like some major bullshit I'm smarter than a computer because I have this amazing thing called logic and there's this wierd thing in my head called a brain which is so unique it could never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be replaced, nor could one be created because here's the thing: Man wasn't put on this earth to make artificial life it doesn't work, never has, never will, God made it so, and no matter how hard you try you will never succeed in creating artificial life
Thank you for all your hard work Ray. We need to carefully consider these issues to ensure a successful future for humanity and planet Earth. Stay positive
How many thousands of steps your machines may take the basic principle lying behind a machine remains the same. It's a calculator of some sort. Conscience is not the sum of countless calculations. It presupposes the miracle of life. Yes, miracle, however unscientific that may sound to you. How close are you to create life from inert matter after all your evolved genetics?
I would say that you are not a step closer than where Homo Erectus stood.
Besides, how can you tell that a machine has acquired awareness? What you may think of as awareness may be the product of access to unlimited databases coupled with advanced sensory perception. To accept the possibility of singularity one must pose the question: can a machine be made to love? I don't think so.
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is to love and be loved in return." A quote from a Great Society song.
@dimrous1960 Your looking at it wrong. The human brain isn't magic. Of course a machine could be made to feel what we consider love. It is only a series of a events taking place in a complex computer which we call our brain that gives us emotion. Eventually computers far more powerful than our brains will be out there and have the ability to not only feel the same emotions as humans but feel emotions that humans can not. Awareness is only a level of computing. It isn't anything mystic/magical.
@dimrous1960 Your looking at it wrong. The human brain isn't magic. Of course a machine could be made to feel what we consider love. It is only a series of a events taking place in a complex computer which we call our brain that gives us emotion. Eventually computers far more powerful than our brains will be out there and have the ability to not only feel the same emotions as humans but feel emotions that humans can not. Awareness is only a level of computing. It isn't anything mystic/magical.
This is so amazing. Luckily we don't have to worry about a computer trying to take over the world because we can obviously limit the function of a computer. Its not like it will grow legs and break into white house and get the launch codes. lol. This will be great for humanity. More intelligence and less ignorance is key.
@sac2marin You obviously haven't read any of the work done by eliezer yudkowsky. Had you done so, you would not trivialise the dangers of superintelligence.
'we can obviously limit the function of a computer.' No, you can't. Unless you plan to build this magic software into every computer currently produced on earth. Any substrate with enough raw processing power can eventually become self aware (though proper programming can make it happen earlier). Thats why moores law should not be applauded
@sac2marin why would it need some launch codes? an AI could easily trigger anything that is somhow wired to the internet. maybe there is an AI hiding out there in all of our computers, just waiting for the right moment ;)
CERN/FERMILAB- bluebrain blue beam upload? what aboot time travel from soul upload,tachyon light travel,on a lazer beam,'wifi' to your android avatar??
what about that cwazy hot poop,mr. keyboard wizard. ' the song 'the games people play' by colours from my mel bay keyboard clour choard charts.
@lebannerfan65 how is 50 years too soon? People tend to have short memories. Do recall the world went from first powered flight in 1902 to first human on the moon in 1969 in a time frame of only 67 years.
As known, human knowledge keep doubling in intervals which keep shrinking.
@lebannerfan65 You don't understand the principle of exponential growth. If you double 2 30 times you reach to billion! We have million times faster computers than in 60s!
Theories are theories and you can talk about what will happen in the future but you can never be sure.
From 5:10 there's exceptionally lot of bullshit. Funny how the different "major" technological events are selected... That really made this into phail.
I dont think machines will violently rise to power like in a revolution like in I-robot but I imagine there'll be a shift of power slowly, son the first fully robotic armys, then the first robotic president of america, and soon robots will run humanity, and I don't imagine anyone dyeing but they'll soon see us as a slowness to their progression hence lock us up in virtual worlds and let us do whatever the hell we want and the twist is maybe were in that virtual world now perhaps.
@deanmullen10 we are living in a sort of "virtual" world right now, granted it's not created by artificial intelligences. it's created by you and me, and everyone, it's created by us
When we can create a piece of technology that can breathe, love, nurture, have compassion, can lie and decieve, can cheat on their spouse and eat and drink like humans, then you can start talking about events such as "singularity". We are no where near accomplishing that. Human beings are so complex, alost too complex to comprehend. We might never be able to grasp the concept that is human life and recreate it. Sure we might come close, but never actually accomplish it, in my opinion.
@juliaeve I believe your missing a crucial concept of the Singularity movement. Let me begin by referencing the history from pong to xbox360(about 20 years). In 10 years there will be another leap of the same proportion according to the current evolution of technology. So in 2021 We will see the another evolution of xbox 360 to ?????(replace with new video game system in 2011)??? Along with that come advances in other technology fields such as Artificial Intelligence during the same time period.
@juliaeve Point being that eventually humans will create Artificial intelligence that will evolve to the point of being able to replicate itself all because us humans will teach the AI HOW TO LEARN. At that point it will begin teaching itself and self-replicating(evolution) similar to humans. I believe humans likely wont create the first life-like AI. The AI will create it itself.
@RulesOfNoRules I just think that if we do create what is said to be a super human robot, how are they supposed to be completely similar to humans? They do not have cells, they cannot reproduce, they cannot sin like us. From a Christian point of view, if we ultimately have something similiar, it's not like they're going to go to heaven or hell. They're just robots. Scientists are ultimately trying to play God. Technology, eventually will lead us to something close to artificial inteligence.
The day when computers surpass mans power and become self aware is inevitable. It is our judgement day. If we aren't able to perfect friendly AI, then we are all doomed. Theres no if ands or buts about it. The smarter organism always wins, always. You may quate a naturalistic example of how a man can get mauled by a pack of wolves or such, but that is a loaded scenario in many respects. You've placed man into an extreme position where his intelligence is not able to influence the outcome of the
scenario. Such situations are exceedingly rare. Intelligence is so much more deadly when you've already insinuated yourself into every facet of a civilisations network.
then the only option is to get a piece of the tasty, robotic pie. If organic and inorganic intelligence remain seperate, i wouldnt be suprised in the least if there was some aggresstion. Combine them, and everyone wins
a key element of the singularity is the fact that having a superior body (or a superior brain, to be specific) opens up more possibilities for enhancement that would be considered beyond the reach of a mind that remains unenhanced. Surely there are limits, but they may be further than we may think. Im glad so many people answered my question
I'd also say the fact that he's referred to as Edison's "rightful heir" makes me suspicious even more so. Edison was a superficial bastard who cared more about publicity than his true inventions.
Not having watched this completely, but being familiar with Kurzweil since Our Lady Peace's album Spiritual Machines in 2000, this is an interesting argument. I won't say that he's wrong about the smooth transition of technology into everyday life, but he hasn't discussed the origins of technological development. Take a look at Manuel Delanda's War in the Age of Intelligent Machines.
Why if computers are let's say 10x faster than ten years ago, we keep working 8h/day 5days/week (or more). That's the biggest swindle ever and I shit a huge and pure analog turd on the mouth of all these technologists/technophiles
When computers become as smart as human brains (but are perfect) and have the ability to control the physical world they will reason that humans are harmful to each other and imperfect and machines will destroy us.
written in 2005: "By the second decade of this century, however, most computing will not be organized in such rectangular devices but will be highly distributed throughout the environment. Computing will be everywhere: in the walls, in our furniture, in our clothing, and in our bodies and brains."
@butterf1yz "Computing will be everywhere: in the walls, in our furniture, in our clothing, and in our bodies and brains."
its already in our walls, furniture, and bodies.
Clothes are only a small step away, and brains.... well actually, some people have computers in their brains. Blind people can have special eyes put in that feed pixels to their brain so they can see in low resolution(the resolution is going up).
Moore's law is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every 18 months isn't a magical number. It is a standard. It is what the computer industry uses as a guide to try and meet the demand. Experts know Amdahl's Law is a better reflection than Moore's Law is. I have spoken with you twice before, and now for the last time I will tell you to actually READ the article on Moore's Law and Amdahl's Law. Ray Kurzweil mixes truth with science fiction. But in the end, fiction gets us nowhere.
@DanceInYourRoom Amdahl's law is pretty much neglectable these days. The fraction of unique sequential operations in software also decreases exponentially, that's why it's getting more and more interesting to start using FPGL's instead ASIC processors. This combined with emerging technologies like memristors and NEMS and you'll find that computers are still in the dinosaur age compared to what we'll be using in 20 years.
(con't) Science is the rigour, not the predictions. Have you ever heard the phrase "1% inspiration and 99% persperation"? What bothers me is that what he is saying is simply not true - it (might) be true - but he is selling it as a fact. Even if it comes true, it's a self-fulfilling prohecy which means it wasn't real to start with. Leave technology to the scientists. And leave the opinions for Glenn Beck.
I can't imagine anyone more annoying and detrimental to the progress of real science than this guy. At least the Discovery Institute is trying to make sub-intelligent people more moral in the end. This guy is going after fairly intelligent people.
chill the fuck out man. solve the problems. if America is scum, then don't join in the big scumbath yourself. Transcend that bullshit. Or become PIG yourself.
Kurzweil is a rapture-obsessed wacky kook. Obsessed with the techno-rapture that he thinks is coming by 2045. It isn't. I know for a fact that it isn't. Ray can shove all the charts and graphs in our faces as he wants, graphs plotting exponential progress are just as effective as testimonials on alternative medicine, they won't prove jack shit. He has been wrong regarding the year 2009, and he will be even more wrong in the future. He is going to die, like the rest of us.
@DanceInYourRoom What you're saying is absolutely true today. But the computing power is growing exponentially; and has been for the last 50 years. Given that, as well as the emerging medical technology (i.e. nanotechnology, stemcells, biotechnology) we might be able to live long enough before the next best advancement arrives in the next 20 - 25; thereby allowing us to buy more time to live longer and longer. Right now it is too early to say what the technology will be like in say 25 years.
@texo2007 I honestly can't tell if you are Ray Kurzweil or not. You parrot exactly what he says. Did you even read what I wrote? Computing power CAN'T grow exponentially - it will give way to Amdahl's Law eventually. Know this: Ray, you, and me, will eventually die. What matters is what you do with the time you have, and having the ability to discern 160 IQ individuals such as this who take advantage of the mortality of 130 IQ individuals such as me.
@DanceInYourRoom No, I am not Ray Kurzweil. Why can't computing power grow exponentially? It has been growing exponentially for last last 50 years. Other scientist who are in the field say the same, and that it will continue this trend for a while longer. When do you think Amdahl's Law will occur?
To your 1st question: Sure, it can grow exponentially. To your 2nd question, if you place the curve of Moore's Law on top of Amdahl's Law, you'll clearly see that where we are "at" is the same position...so Amdahl's Law is occuring right now - just like Moore's Law is. But as you know nothing can grow exponentially forever, so the curve will eventually peak off.
The fact you incorrectly asked when Amdahls Law will occur is because you are biased towards seeing a 'singularity'.
@DanceInYourRoom If computing power is in the same postion, than how come its doubling every 18 months? They say that Moore's Law will continue through at least 2015 and into the 2020. By then computing power will surpass the human brain's. No one can predict the future with 100% certainty either. There's no telling what the future holds, but these results seem promising to most people.
@texo2007 Then if computers surpass the human brain and no one can predict what will happen, then it's probably in your best interest not to buy Kurzweil's book since it will be an outdated, unprophetic piece of work by that time.
@texo2007 Be careful that Ray Kurzweil does not appeal to your emotions. Have you seen the Pricess Bride? The main character "The Man in Black" says to the princess: "Life is pain, anyone that tells you otherwise is sellling you something".
Technology takes a lot of hard work, Ray Kurzweil wants to make people feel happy and have a sense of immortality - while there is nothing wrong with this (religious people do it all the time), it should not be mistaken for scientific rigour.
@DanceInYourRoom I see. I think I have actually seen that movie. Its been a while though. Yes, technology is a hard thing to master, hopefully it will improve all of our lives in the future.
@DanceInYourRoom Good point (and a good movie,) but you're missing something key here: Kurzweil's analysis IS rigorous. The next time you're at the bookstore, flip through his (rather thick) book, TSIN. Roughly a 4th of it is comprised of footnote references. His research is amazingly exhaustive which is why it's challenging to dismiss. The man has done his homework.
"If we only had a wheelbarrow that would be something!"
@DanceInYourRoom If computing power is in the same posistion, than how come its doubling every 18 months? They say that Moore's Law will continue through at least 2015 and into the 2020s. By then computing power will surpass that of the human brain. No one can predict the future with 100% certainty either. There's no telling what the future holds, but these results seem promising to most people.
in 2005 he wrote in his book: "By the end of this decade, computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, with displays built in our eyeglasses, and electronics woven in our clothing, providing full-immersion visual virtual reality."
it's 2010, my shirt is still 100% cotton. I think senility is near, for our friend Ray. He did good things in his days, but all those pills are doing nothing against the aging of his brain, sadly.
@agirotil Well I don't see any of it happening in the next five or ten years, especially the virtual reality woven in the clothes... and what about those of us who don't wear glasses??
anyway, virtual reality has been talked about for decades, it still hasn't left the screen. If he's getting the dates wrong five years ahead, what does that tell us about his predictions for the next 20 and 40 years? Mmmh...
I was over-excited about his theories when I first read about them but now I'm doubtful
maybe if your lucky enough to live within "the castle walls" this tec. will apply, to the majority living " outside " survival of the fittest will apply.
When the singularity becomes a ball, you wanna be there to catch it and start rolling with it. I'm sure some moneys are going into checking out this stuff. For all we know, the idea could have been debunked back in 1995 in super secret circles.
Do you know mozart ? His musique is so amazing... And, a priori, on first, a lot of people are proud to be human because of mozart, not because a lot of people have killed a lot of other people. I'm amazed then I listen to mozart's musique, i'm freaked out of me then I see the image of an atom bomb, just on my computer screen. Imagine see that "in real"... All the power... Of course it can be very graying to imagine "the power", but in reality you just fell down and ask you "how"
Humanity is begining to explore the univers but we did never really putted a feeth into ourselv. Human only see huge infinity but not the infinitelly little. There is so much thing into us, that are desspassing us, that we do no understant, in ourselv. Why should be the answer to our question out of ourselv, and not inside.
"Dommage" that Ray Kurzweil is to buzy to try to see that, of course i'm forgetting "the chinees", put on their f**cking "lemon face" ("face de citron" in french)
Of course its completely "naive" in a polotical point of vue. But on a human and existencial point of vue its absolutely not stupid. And, this project of Singularity is precisly asking that kind of question. Of course "the chinees" are the answer to all your question. "Sir what are you going to do for this problem" "the chinees" "oh yes sorry"...
War should not be a occasion to private us from our freedom. Better to die than to live without yourself. What is life without creation, imprevisible
Yes of course... chineese are a problem, you are rigth... I mean, war should not be a pretext to some people to atribuate them the all power, and its the case, of course we do not realy have the choice, we have to put ourserlve under the will of the powerfull. But, I just think that, humanity must begin to think globally but with taking in care much than only scientifically previsible factor. There is also human factor, other than fear and heat.
And, then you are concidering that a quart of humanity or 1/3 is under-alimented, and that some child don't eaven have the chance to pass 1 month on earth, and that the the other part of humanity is thinking to "how may I live 200 years".
There is too much trouble to put a such power into our hand, it's just crazy.
@funfair1618 : lol, we keep building intelligent things, they do nothing, and 30 years later they all have our technology. even 3d world countries have cell phones and computers now... should we stop searching for solutions? should we give all away to people who do not work?
I'm not "against" a such project. I just think that human is not ready.
How do you want to go to a such world with fear in your heart. We first have to take a huge breath, have a look on ourself. and after, why not, try to make our life become longer... Why to be pressed we are having much time than we think. By wanting to make the things going faster there is a risk to stumble.
Of course i'm saying "us" but I should better say "them" because everybody is not going to be abble to have a profite of these "technological progress"...
This attitud on life that puch men on "wanting to be immortel" is coming directly from a misse understanding of life. Because of a less of real reflexion, less of real happiness, to much frustration. Much and much you are suppressing frustration, much frustration is comming to you, you cannot suppress frustration because you are creating it.
Do you imagine, "I'm really having a supperficil live" "now that i'm immortel, i'm going to live the same stupid supperficiel live forever, great"...
I'm really asking me what kind of nevrosis you are going to creat by making tame living for a long long time...
In a fixed socity, people are becoming crazy, you are proposing us to go to a realy fixed socity, in the sens that our need of creation is going to become less and less, and we are going to bore us a lot...
I think this is again a way to separate more and more the powerfull of the little one.
Eaven if it is not the intention of this man, it will be the only possible result of such a project.
I think "these people" are stucked in a little world were suffer only exist under the form of frustration like "oh now, there is no more coffie" or things like that.
In what is it necessary to be "immortel" or things like that. Then you are immortel, great you are immortel, and you continue living you shit live
I love kurzweil but his predictions about human level AI and such seem a bit too optimistic. Sure, we might have the hardware and raw power to simulate a human brain but we still need software and there's a lot of questions still needing answers in neuroscience and such fields that kurzweil is probably a layman in.
people are pretty stupid to not believe that we will advance technologically to the point of being able to replicate and even improve upon, the human brain.
Ray Kurzweil may or may not be right. The interesting thing is how much anger and fear he stirs up, because IF he's right, it will forever demolish the idea that there is something more to our minds than computation. Obviously the brain doesn't work like the computers we build, but it IS is kind of data processor. The idealists and the Cartesians hate this idea.
@mattyd723 It is an amalgamation of neurons, which a vastly more complex than logic gates (semiconductor switches). However, the principle of how they function is very similar. Also, what evidence is there that the human mind is something more than the data processing of the brain?
Um, we're not going to be transformers--not in 2045, not ever. We don't even have an answer for the impending antibiotics Crisis. Nature will regulate us no matter what we do. The only singularity I want to hear about this fool is him falling into a black hole.
i would like for him to explain how nanotechnology can allow you to email a toaster.
mysticxhobo15 5 days ago
yea the world might come to tht fukk tht shit come up quik in the world ive been doing it bitchhhh i aint worried got other shit to worry about like my lady leaving me. sedzzzz fukk ur technology fukk selling my soul fukk cheaterz ull c me in the afterlife fukkk everyone. my life has been better since she kame in so if shes gone ull c the change. ill change the whole world will change ill make sure of it fukk phrophets i got my word muthafukkaaaa....
LoveAlwaysJenny 3 weeks ago
@LoveAlwaysJenny Hahahah, funniest reply I've ever heard.
liveyourselftodeath 12 hours ago
Beautiful
compositesoul 3 weeks ago
What humans believe to be sapience is the combination of intellectual power and motivation. We can make the most powerfull computing device in creation and without giving it a complex set of goals it wont be sapient. We will have to program goals and desires before we can create a true AI and that would make us godlike. We could make something godlike and free thinking but its basic goasl would be what we have told it.
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in the way that ray is doing: It is a lethal force that is wearing away at the barrier that protects us from the rise of AGI. Until we perfect friendliness programming, we are just not ready for that shit.
'Its not like it will grow legs and break into white house and get the launch codes.' As if it needs physical mobility to accomplish goals in the real world. Theres nothing to prevent an artifint from obtaining the nuclear codes, even through an interface as primitive as a vt 100 terminal.
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Read my book, "Interview with an Absolute form," think beyond the singularity, for free.
Juefawn 1 month ago
kind of like saying that the only places that minds exist are in brains, or include an entire central nervous system, so that what is part of a system is in the system and what might not be in the system might become a part of the system or something that fuels, feeds or otherwise is either an extension of the system or an intervention, a unification, a visitation, an exception, inception, an addition, a catalyst...so forth and so on. retrieved, reversed, obsolesced, enhanced n.o.t.a.
glenalanwells 2 months ago
I have found this to be true. God is not a single entity like some old bearded guy in the clouds. God is a collection of living souls connected by love, and the source of that love is us. God is not perfect because we are not perfect. When we finally learn to TRULY feel love, the world WILL be a better place. Jesus himself said "God is Love" - and he was right! The truth has been in front of our eyes for 2000 years and no-one wants to see because it's easier to hate.
EonPeon 2 months ago
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Journey2journeyconsi 2 months ago
[cont.] ...faith of the few.
Aijuswannawatch 2 months ago
... And again that is the simple view of a simple man as some of you have pointed out. I don't seek approval, and neither should any one else. I don't like "Religion" because it's FOUNDATION lies on that of the approval of it's followers respective to their particular practices. Organized religion gives comfort to the many, through the f
Aijuswannawatch 2 months ago
@MCmultiverse. Wow, didn't think I would get all this feedback; I didn't intend to belittle anyone so I'll start by apologizing for that. To answer your question, my view of what "God" is would be the persistent energy that allows me to experience reality. One way or another I am here, in this moment, conscious and aware. The means behind which this is possible is God.
Aijuswannawatch 2 months ago
What difference does it make as the reality of God or anything else is totally a matter of your own perception. That there is a devil there can be no doubt, but is he trying to get in or is he trying to get out!
keezop 4 months ago
2045=arbitrary
humblejumpify 4 months ago
We will merge with the computer and the new lifeform will be beautiful.
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2009frankcastle 6 months ago
if, in this case a computer, can be smarter than us - our mind being what we are -- at least our key to understanding the world - then would they essentially be more alive then us? our mentality being our justification for ourselves as systems?
Does this not make more apparent that consciousness is an illusion?
We should advance ourselves in order to advance further... to only further understand our limitations? Why would anyone in this situation not retreat into an alternate reality?
INCEPTION
bensterism 6 months ago
Whilst we continue to advance technologically, my own predictions indicate that Ray Kurzweil is highly optimistic in his time line. We also are not really any closer to hard AI than we were decades ago. Much of the current research is climbing "false peaks", although it will still have some application.
frostek 6 months ago
@Aijuswannawatch @Aijuswannawatch @Aijuswannawatch hey Aijus.. some assumption here that need to be tested.. ""the ONLY place GOD exists is within your own minds"".....Describe GOD ... (your perception of GOD rather than the christian GOD) ..2) You are making the assumption that "god exists in a place""... when we know that god is a mystery beyond anthropocentric space-time traps...3) your assumption that God can "never" be proved also limits human potential ... 4)say "NEVER""..and I shake
JCmultiverse 6 months ago
I think Ray's idears are great, but I think he's being WAY too Optimistic about it. He is so convinced that nothing can go wrong with the Singularity. When infact the slightes error can mean total disaster, as everything will be dependant on everything. I don't think humanity should go beyond the Nanobot enhancement, I don't think we should all "Become one". Ever seen star trek TNG? When they encounter "The Borg"? I think if this happens, we will end up much like that.
DHGameStudios 6 months ago 2
Here's a theory which is mine:
Humans will continue to make the wheel rounder and rounder and even MORE ROUND until.....wait for it......drum roll please ..........until it ...reaches what those of us who can read call a, say it slowly now, "Sing Guuuuu larrr rih Teee" THEN MY theory predicts that it will ROLL!!!!
Can I have my Nobel Prize now please?
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socratic1968 6 months ago
The problem with many Jews is that they are self promoters, obsessed with wanting credit for banal ideas. Its annoying. Does anyone really think Kurzweil originated this idea? sheesh.
He is aggressive and was able to patent some tech and make some cash. So, what? America is filled with people like that. Asian Americans are contributing more to science than jews yet they are MODEST.
Seriously, if you want to see into the future just watch the movie "Idiocracy".
socratic1968 6 months ago
PEOPLE WHO RESORT TO THIS ARE CRAZY!
You people are created humans! You really wanna be a robot?
And that's a whole 'nother level of how the government can use this to brainwash you people!! They can choose your beliefs... this removes logic and reason and the human inside you! its sickening! This is beautiful technology, but it's dangerous too! You must be careful of people can use this technology on you. people if anything, you must stop this from becoming!!!!!!!
justiceissrvd 6 months ago
After all those weird horror movies about robots taking over the world... haha what conclusion do you make? -_-
SuperLalala321 7 months ago
what about the people who don't want to become "one with machines?"
I like computers and use them. But a computer is a tool, like a hammer. I do not wish to merge computers I do not wish to merge with a hammer.
Its not inevitable. I don't want it. I am a human being. Don't I have a say?
thefranciswatts 7 months ago
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TheTUDOR91 6 months ago
Awesome, you rule Ray Kurzweil!
TheYarro 7 months ago
@TheYarro Another con game, this will eliminate people whom they deem less intelligent than themselves. ?They have no intention of allowing you to share in his world unless your willing to take his mark. The civilization as they design it will collapse shortly hereafter, they have already totally destroyed the majority of what was perfect here by tampering with perfection. Ego's that love and want other men to look up to them as if they were God's. Ankkkkkkkkk wrong answer, sorry they are not.
Yahunatan1 7 months ago
@Yahunatan1 If I want a lesson I'll watch Sesame Street. Okay big bird? And you spelled ankle wrong, it's not ank...its ANKLE. No wonder they are going to create human robots because we don't know how to even spell correctly. So in the end it comes down to you and your idiocy. Peace out chollo. By the way Bill Gates wants your chicken nuggets, check out TED/ DEPOPULATION, you probably won't like that either. Neither did I. But...YOU RULE RAY KURZWEIL! :P
TheYarro 7 months ago
@TheYarro I wasn't spelling ankle. I was providing the buzzer sound like in wrong answer> Annnnnnnnnnnk.
Yahunatan1 7 months ago
Zeroes and ones the curve's begun
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cupwnd 7 months ago
@ganjamerch
That sounds about right
ChaneoDunks 7 months ago
@aijuswannawatch
Oh yeah of course theres no God the universe just happened right? Everything just started existing. There had to be something that made everything and im not talking about life or evolution, im talking about existence. And maybe that higgs bosom all the four-eyes are talking about is God?
ChaneoDunks 7 months ago
OK, so here is a big announcement that all of you so caught up on religion need to understand... the ONLY place "GOD" exists is within your own mind!! As a result of cultural up bringing you believe in a concept that can never be proved or disproved (well, while your alive anyway) However, we are all nothing more than collections of memories and ideas uniquely structured from our PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD AROUND US. Not all religion is cop-out for logic... just western religions; sorry Christians
Aijuswannawatch 7 months ago 11
@Aijuswannawatch you seem so sure of yourself, yet your just man, and you get your logic from man, do you know how imperfect men are? do you know how many theories and hypothesis's have been created?, yet the belief in God has prevailed since the beginning of time. that is because God was there, he created the universe. There is a God. He is alive. and the fact that man is arrogant enough to disclaim him, is gut wrenching. there is a judgement day. its coming. Jesus is coming. will you be ready
bisonlinebacker 4 months ago
@Aijuswannawatch lol you know nothing about non-western religions
TheHaeresiarch 3 months ago
@Aijuswannawatch I understand where your coming from but the fact is that no one knows. The end of the rainbow is unknown to anyone who has not yet been there and you, and I have not. So dont be so sure you cocky basttard ;)
MrSnappytime 2 months ago
Sounds like some major bullshit I'm smarter than a computer because I have this amazing thing called logic and there's this wierd thing in my head called a brain which is so unique it could never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be replaced, nor could one be created because here's the thing: Man wasn't put on this earth to make artificial life it doesn't work, never has, never will, God made it so, and no matter how hard you try you will never succeed in creating artificial life
ChaneoDunks 7 months ago
@thkaal1 What are you talking about? That guy died in the 70s. His principles mean nothing anymore.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
@thkaal1 Dr heisenberg? From the 60s and 70s? Seriously?
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
Last I heard they've got an insight into the "sticky fingers" problem with the molecular assembler.
That is kind of a big deal, I will be following that story.
xKlondikex 7 months ago
Resource Based Economy.
TheBigKiller 7 months ago
Thank you for all your hard work Ray. We need to carefully consider these issues to ensure a successful future for humanity and planet Earth. Stay positive
TransAlchemy 7 months ago
How many thousands of steps your machines may take the basic principle lying behind a machine remains the same. It's a calculator of some sort. Conscience is not the sum of countless calculations. It presupposes the miracle of life. Yes, miracle, however unscientific that may sound to you. How close are you to create life from inert matter after all your evolved genetics?
I would say that you are not a step closer than where Homo Erectus stood.
dimrous1960 7 months ago
Besides, how can you tell that a machine has acquired awareness? What you may think of as awareness may be the product of access to unlimited databases coupled with advanced sensory perception. To accept the possibility of singularity one must pose the question: can a machine be made to love? I don't think so.
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is to love and be loved in return." A quote from a Great Society song.
dimrous1960 7 months ago
@dimrous1960 Your looking at it wrong. The human brain isn't magic. Of course a machine could be made to feel what we consider love. It is only a series of a events taking place in a complex computer which we call our brain that gives us emotion. Eventually computers far more powerful than our brains will be out there and have the ability to not only feel the same emotions as humans but feel emotions that humans can not. Awareness is only a level of computing. It isn't anything mystic/magical.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
@dimrous1960 Your looking at it wrong. The human brain isn't magic. Of course a machine could be made to feel what we consider love. It is only a series of a events taking place in a complex computer which we call our brain that gives us emotion. Eventually computers far more powerful than our brains will be out there and have the ability to not only feel the same emotions as humans but feel emotions that humans can not. Awareness is only a level of computing. It isn't anything mystic/magical.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
2045? More like 2025.
chance20m 8 months ago
i will have a sleep and doing nothing until singularity comes,after singularity i will live forever! but it should be 2045 if its too late,then...
singularku 8 months ago
Impossible will have no meaning anymore
awildway 8 months ago
Ah shit, I'll be dead and won't get to see it.
upyouns 8 months ago
This is so amazing. Luckily we don't have to worry about a computer trying to take over the world because we can obviously limit the function of a computer. Its not like it will grow legs and break into white house and get the launch codes. lol. This will be great for humanity. More intelligence and less ignorance is key.
sac2marin 8 months ago 12
@sac2marin LOL you should see the Transcendent Man documentary before posting that horse$hit
JMOJoker 6 months ago
@sac2marin Err. It's not really that simple. I wish.
villel80 4 months ago
@sac2marin You obviously haven't read any of the work done by eliezer yudkowsky. Had you done so, you would not trivialise the dangers of superintelligence.
'we can obviously limit the function of a computer.' No, you can't. Unless you plan to build this magic software into every computer currently produced on earth. Any substrate with enough raw processing power can eventually become self aware (though proper programming can make it happen earlier). Thats why moores law should not be applauded
TheJamesrocket 1 month ago
@sac2marin why would it need some launch codes? an AI could easily trigger anything that is somhow wired to the internet. maybe there is an AI hiding out there in all of our computers, just waiting for the right moment ;)
7r3mm3l 1 day ago
creamed corn
blankchexTHC 9 months ago
Why so serious guys? You act like living as gods is something you don't day dream about on a daily basis.. you'd be lying if you said anything else.
JuggernautJeep 9 months ago
hopefully we blow our selves up before anything like this happens.
kaleyley0829 9 months ago
@kaleyley0829 yeah that sounds like science fiction. somebody would probably promote that with some adjustments or just as it is
kaleyley0829 9 months ago
"Drugs and supplements to make me smarter" ?
talkin2urselfiscool 9 months ago
@talkin2urselfiscool yes, pot and mushrooms
RaabBlog 9 months ago
CERN/FERMILAB- bluebrain blue beam upload? what aboot time travel from soul upload,tachyon light travel,on a lazer beam,'wifi' to your android avatar??
what about that cwazy hot poop,mr. keyboard wizard. ' the song 'the games people play' by colours from my mel bay keyboard clour choard charts.
noodlesmealey 10 months ago
weve been talking about the 'future' forever,we live on a giza death star,beast system. its like the word, pre-historic doesnt make sense.
-were 50 years beyond what theyre telling us,did you know digital recording became available to the 'public'
the eaters...th-eaters,theaters. in 1980-1982. perhaps paperclip was the integration of the fourth reich.
noodlesmealey 10 months ago
I disagree with his time projection (50 years is way too soon), but I do agree with his vision of what science will necessarily culminate in.
lebannerfan65 10 months ago
@lebannerfan65 how is 50 years too soon? People tend to have short memories. Do recall the world went from first powered flight in 1902 to first human on the moon in 1969 in a time frame of only 67 years.
As known, human knowledge keep doubling in intervals which keep shrinking.
GeekBoy03 10 months ago
@GeekBoy03 And the time that it takes to get to "next big thing" gets shorter. It took thousands of years to actually start using electricy too :P
cyberdaemon 10 months ago
@lebannerfan65 You don't understand the principle of exponential growth. If you double 2 30 times you reach to billion! We have million times faster computers than in 60s!
cyberdaemon 10 months ago
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noodlesmealey 10 months ago
@lebannerfan65 50 years isn't too soon at all. It will most likely be before that.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
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noodlesmealey 10 months ago
Wow! A lot of bullshit in my opinion.
Theories are theories and you can talk about what will happen in the future but you can never be sure.
From 5:10 there's exceptionally lot of bullshit. Funny how the different "major" technological events are selected... That really made this into phail.
rosenhill 10 months ago
@rosenhill Huh? I don't think you are grasping what he is saying. I think your brain functions at exponentially slower rate than most humans.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
O man O man O man this is so cool I've been waiting for something like this forever!
Its too bad I will be the dying personality population rather than the contributing or enduring one.
TROLLERSDELIGHT 11 months ago
I dont think machines will violently rise to power like in a revolution like in I-robot but I imagine there'll be a shift of power slowly, son the first fully robotic armys, then the first robotic president of america, and soon robots will run humanity, and I don't imagine anyone dyeing but they'll soon see us as a slowness to their progression hence lock us up in virtual worlds and let us do whatever the hell we want and the twist is maybe were in that virtual world now perhaps.
deanmullen10 11 months ago
@deanmullen10 we are living in a sort of "virtual" world right now, granted it's not created by artificial intelligences. it's created by you and me, and everyone, it's created by us
Danman429 11 months ago
@Danman429 what do you mean by that?
mana2432 9 months ago
@Danman429 Exactly. Perception is reality. It's a hard concept for the less intelligent people to grasp.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
@deanmullen10 your like a science fiction writer
kaleyley0829 9 months ago
@kaleyley0829 ha I guess I do like writing stories like sci-fi xD
deanmullen10 9 months ago
When we can create a piece of technology that can breathe, love, nurture, have compassion, can lie and decieve, can cheat on their spouse and eat and drink like humans, then you can start talking about events such as "singularity". We are no where near accomplishing that. Human beings are so complex, alost too complex to comprehend. We might never be able to grasp the concept that is human life and recreate it. Sure we might come close, but never actually accomplish it, in my opinion.
juliaeve 11 months ago 2
@juliaeve I believe your missing a crucial concept of the Singularity movement. Let me begin by referencing the history from pong to xbox360(about 20 years). In 10 years there will be another leap of the same proportion according to the current evolution of technology. So in 2021 We will see the another evolution of xbox 360 to ?????(replace with new video game system in 2011)??? Along with that come advances in other technology fields such as Artificial Intelligence during the same time period.
RulesOfNoRules 11 months ago
@juliaeve Point being that eventually humans will create Artificial intelligence that will evolve to the point of being able to replicate itself all because us humans will teach the AI HOW TO LEARN. At that point it will begin teaching itself and self-replicating(evolution) similar to humans. I believe humans likely wont create the first life-like AI. The AI will create it itself.
RulesOfNoRules 11 months ago
@RulesOfNoRules I just think that if we do create what is said to be a super human robot, how are they supposed to be completely similar to humans? They do not have cells, they cannot reproduce, they cannot sin like us. From a Christian point of view, if we ultimately have something similiar, it's not like they're going to go to heaven or hell. They're just robots. Scientists are ultimately trying to play God. Technology, eventually will lead us to something close to artificial inteligence.
juliaeve 11 months ago
@juliaeve Time will tell
RulesOfNoRules 11 months ago
@juliaeve Your first problem is trying to bring Christianity into an intelligent conversation.
EstasiProductions 7 months ago
@juliaeve It will be accomplished within the next 30-40 yrs. Easily. They are already close right now.
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tyrano9 11 months ago
what supplements is he talking about to make you smarter lol
tyrano9 11 months ago
@tyrano9 Piracetam 800mg
GoogleVideoMan 11 months ago
anyone know where i can get the whole documentary
snicoldude 11 months ago
@snicoldude
they just had the premier here in Hollywood this week. Hop on Netflix and it comes out March 1st I believe.
keithwilliamband 11 months ago
I'm ready for the math brain chip.
0pioid 11 months ago
@0pioid My organic maths brain is better than silicon chips. Carbon power FTW.
Neueregel 11 months ago
I for one welcome our new cybernetic overlords.
On a more serious note, the Singularity would be an amazing thing. I wouldn't mind becoming half cybernetic.
Redlightning7 11 months ago
The day when computers surpass mans power and become self aware is inevitable. It is our judgement day. If we aren't able to perfect friendly AI, then we are all doomed. Theres no if ands or buts about it. The smarter organism always wins, always. You may quate a naturalistic example of how a man can get mauled by a pack of wolves or such, but that is a loaded scenario in many respects. You've placed man into an extreme position where his intelligence is not able to influence the outcome of the
TheJamesrocket 11 months ago
scenario. Such situations are exceedingly rare. Intelligence is so much more deadly when you've already insinuated yourself into every facet of a civilisations network.
TheJamesrocket 11 months ago
@TheJamesrocket
then the only option is to get a piece of the tasty, robotic pie. If organic and inorganic intelligence remain seperate, i wouldnt be suprised in the least if there was some aggresstion. Combine them, and everyone wins
Deathrune456 11 months ago
@thkaal1
a key element of the singularity is the fact that having a superior body (or a superior brain, to be specific) opens up more possibilities for enhancement that would be considered beyond the reach of a mind that remains unenhanced. Surely there are limits, but they may be further than we may think. Im glad so many people answered my question
Deathrune456 11 months ago
I'd also say the fact that he's referred to as Edison's "rightful heir" makes me suspicious even more so. Edison was a superficial bastard who cared more about publicity than his true inventions.
MoonLightFacade 11 months ago
Not having watched this completely, but being familiar with Kurzweil since Our Lady Peace's album Spiritual Machines in 2000, this is an interesting argument. I won't say that he's wrong about the smooth transition of technology into everyday life, but he hasn't discussed the origins of technological development. Take a look at Manuel Delanda's War in the Age of Intelligent Machines.
NareKICK 1 year ago
I like the way he blinks. lol
ramalama246 1 year ago
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Why if computers are let's say 10x faster than ten years ago, we keep working 8h/day 5days/week (or more). That's the biggest swindle ever and I shit a huge and pure analog turd on the mouth of all these technologists/technophiles
inyi 1 year ago
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inyi 1 year ago
When computers become as smart as human brains (but are perfect) and have the ability to control the physical world they will reason that humans are harmful to each other and imperfect and machines will destroy us.
cjsoccer09 1 year ago
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Is there medication that makes you smarter?
5876gib 1 year ago
is there medication to make you smarter?
5876gib 1 year ago
@5876gib Yes, it's called Psychedelics and should be used responsibly.
mrScattergood 1 year ago
@5876gib Yes, it's called psychedelics and should be used responsibly.
mrScattergood 1 year ago
i know what happens after the singularity ....
"ROUND 2! FIGHT!"
eggfleece 1 year ago
Being only 16 years old I count myself lucky.
I may just get to see changes in science and technology in my lifetime that we can't even imagine today.
LithuanianLabas 1 year ago
written in 2005: "By the second decade of this century, however, most computing will not be organized in such rectangular devices but will be highly distributed throughout the environment. Computing will be everywhere: in the walls, in our furniture, in our clothing, and in our bodies and brains."
wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.... unfortunately.
butterf1yz 1 year ago
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@butterf1yz "Computing will be everywhere: in the walls, in our furniture, in our clothing, and in our bodies and brains."
its already in our walls, furniture, and bodies.
Clothes are only a small step away, and brains.... well actually, some people have computers in their brains. Blind people can have special eyes put in that feed pixels to their brain so they can see in low resolution(the resolution is going up).
MoonKittenJD 1 year ago
@butterf1yz not wrong true just not for the general public yet
TheLolman456 11 months ago
Moore's law is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every 18 months isn't a magical number. It is a standard. It is what the computer industry uses as a guide to try and meet the demand. Experts know Amdahl's Law is a better reflection than Moore's Law is. I have spoken with you twice before, and now for the last time I will tell you to actually READ the article on Moore's Law and Amdahl's Law. Ray Kurzweil mixes truth with science fiction. But in the end, fiction gets us nowhere.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom Amdahl's law is pretty much neglectable these days. The fraction of unique sequential operations in software also decreases exponentially, that's why it's getting more and more interesting to start using FPGL's instead ASIC processors. This combined with emerging technologies like memristors and NEMS and you'll find that computers are still in the dinosaur age compared to what we'll be using in 20 years.
noxure 1 year ago
(con't) Science is the rigour, not the predictions. Have you ever heard the phrase "1% inspiration and 99% persperation"? What bothers me is that what he is saying is simply not true - it (might) be true - but he is selling it as a fact. Even if it comes true, it's a self-fulfilling prohecy which means it wasn't real to start with. Leave technology to the scientists. And leave the opinions for Glenn Beck.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
I can't imagine anyone more annoying and detrimental to the progress of real science than this guy. At least the Discovery Institute is trying to make sub-intelligent people more moral in the end. This guy is going after fairly intelligent people.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
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American CAVEPIGS must be slaughtered like the putrid SCUM they are.
Al Qaeda. Go forward and destroy.
OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar
chill the fuck out man. solve the problems. if America is scum, then don't join in the big scumbath yourself. Transcend that bullshit. Or become PIG yourself.
alliant 1 year ago
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GO AL QAEDA. KILL EVERY AMERICAN CAVEPIG OUT THERE.
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OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
Kurzweil is a rapture-obsessed wacky kook. Obsessed with the techno-rapture that he thinks is coming by 2045. It isn't. I know for a fact that it isn't. Ray can shove all the charts and graphs in our faces as he wants, graphs plotting exponential progress are just as effective as testimonials on alternative medicine, they won't prove jack shit. He has been wrong regarding the year 2009, and he will be even more wrong in the future. He is going to die, like the rest of us.
OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar Are you on every fucking video, typing the same bullshit ?
Maybe he's just ahead of you
(Oh no, a neubauten fan ! How horrid that you would place such class among such kitsch faves and uploads ! :icky: )
agirotil 1 year ago
@OxygenBurglar How do you know hes wrong? He's been right about other stuff.
texo2007 1 year ago
@texo2007 Our desire to be "immortal in machines" is not a desire that machines share with us.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom What you're saying is absolutely true today. But the computing power is growing exponentially; and has been for the last 50 years. Given that, as well as the emerging medical technology (i.e. nanotechnology, stemcells, biotechnology) we might be able to live long enough before the next best advancement arrives in the next 20 - 25; thereby allowing us to buy more time to live longer and longer. Right now it is too early to say what the technology will be like in say 25 years.
texo2007 1 year ago
@texo2007 I honestly can't tell if you are Ray Kurzweil or not. You parrot exactly what he says. Did you even read what I wrote? Computing power CAN'T grow exponentially - it will give way to Amdahl's Law eventually. Know this: Ray, you, and me, will eventually die. What matters is what you do with the time you have, and having the ability to discern 160 IQ individuals such as this who take advantage of the mortality of 130 IQ individuals such as me.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom No, I am not Ray Kurzweil. Why can't computing power grow exponentially? It has been growing exponentially for last last 50 years. Other scientist who are in the field say the same, and that it will continue this trend for a while longer. When do you think Amdahl's Law will occur?
texo2007 1 year ago
@texo2007
To your 1st question: Sure, it can grow exponentially. To your 2nd question, if you place the curve of Moore's Law on top of Amdahl's Law, you'll clearly see that where we are "at" is the same position...so Amdahl's Law is occuring right now - just like Moore's Law is. But as you know nothing can grow exponentially forever, so the curve will eventually peak off.
The fact you incorrectly asked when Amdahls Law will occur is because you are biased towards seeing a 'singularity'.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom If computing power is in the same postion, than how come its doubling every 18 months? They say that Moore's Law will continue through at least 2015 and into the 2020. By then computing power will surpass the human brain's. No one can predict the future with 100% certainty either. There's no telling what the future holds, but these results seem promising to most people.
texo2007 1 year ago
@texo2007 Then if computers surpass the human brain and no one can predict what will happen, then it's probably in your best interest not to buy Kurzweil's book since it will be an outdated, unprophetic piece of work by that time.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom But the idea of it is still fascinating at least to me.
texo2007 1 year ago
@texo2007 Be careful that Ray Kurzweil does not appeal to your emotions. Have you seen the Pricess Bride? The main character "The Man in Black" says to the princess: "Life is pain, anyone that tells you otherwise is sellling you something".
Technology takes a lot of hard work, Ray Kurzweil wants to make people feel happy and have a sense of immortality - while there is nothing wrong with this (religious people do it all the time), it should not be mistaken for scientific rigour.
DanceInYourRoom 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom I see. I think I have actually seen that movie. Its been a while though. Yes, technology is a hard thing to master, hopefully it will improve all of our lives in the future.
texo2007 1 year ago
@DanceInYourRoom Good point (and a good movie,) but you're missing something key here: Kurzweil's analysis IS rigorous. The next time you're at the bookstore, flip through his (rather thick) book, TSIN. Roughly a 4th of it is comprised of footnote references. His research is amazingly exhaustive which is why it's challenging to dismiss. The man has done his homework.
"If we only had a wheelbarrow that would be something!"
Kurzweil's wheelbarrow is teeming.
Philomath1974 7 months ago
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@DanceInYourRoom If computing power is in the same posistion, than how come its doubling every 18 months? They say that Moore's Law will continue through at least 2015 and into the 2020s. By then computing power will surpass that of the human brain. No one can predict the future with 100% certainty either. There's no telling what the future holds, but these results seem promising to most people.
texo2007 1 year ago
in 2005 he wrote in his book: "By the end of this decade, computers will disappear as distinct physical objects, with displays built in our eyeglasses, and electronics woven in our clothing, providing full-immersion visual virtual reality."
it's 2010, my shirt is still 100% cotton. I think senility is near, for our friend Ray. He did good things in his days, but all those pills are doing nothing against the aging of his brain, sadly.
butterf1yz 1 year ago
@butterf1yz I think he just got the dates wrong, these things still seem a strong possibility.
So maybe your brain is aging or why did you not see that possibility ?
lol
agirotil 1 year ago
@agirotil Well I don't see any of it happening in the next five or ten years, especially the virtual reality woven in the clothes... and what about those of us who don't wear glasses??
anyway, virtual reality has been talked about for decades, it still hasn't left the screen. If he's getting the dates wrong five years ahead, what does that tell us about his predictions for the next 20 and 40 years? Mmmh...
I was over-excited about his theories when I first read about them but now I'm doubtful
butterf1yz 1 year ago
@butterf1yz
Note that you can in fact, actually do this. It's just expensive and hasn't caught on.
LordOmberus 1 year ago
@LordOmberus i'm sure they could also do it five years ago that's not the point
butterf1yz 1 year ago
The vbs,tv link is shit and does not work at all well - either its the website that sucks or my computer!
cacaolover1 1 year ago
Kurzweil's gospel axe has been swung for far too long.
OxygenBurglar 1 year ago
maybe if your lucky enough to live within "the castle walls" this tec. will apply, to the majority living " outside " survival of the fittest will apply.
zimmy81 1 year ago
When the singularity becomes a ball, you wanna be there to catch it and start rolling with it. I'm sure some moneys are going into checking out this stuff. For all we know, the idea could have been debunked back in 1995 in super secret circles.
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ilovehd831 1 year ago
Do you know mozart ? His musique is so amazing... And, a priori, on first, a lot of people are proud to be human because of mozart, not because a lot of people have killed a lot of other people. I'm amazed then I listen to mozart's musique, i'm freaked out of me then I see the image of an atom bomb, just on my computer screen. Imagine see that "in real"... All the power... Of course it can be very graying to imagine "the power", but in reality you just fell down and ask you "how"
funfair1618 1 year ago
Humanity is begining to explore the univers but we did never really putted a feeth into ourselv. Human only see huge infinity but not the infinitelly little. There is so much thing into us, that are desspassing us, that we do no understant, in ourselv. Why should be the answer to our question out of ourselv, and not inside.
"Dommage" that Ray Kurzweil is to buzy to try to see that, of course i'm forgetting "the chinees", put on their f**cking "lemon face" ("face de citron" in french)
funfair1618 1 year ago
Of course its completely "naive" in a polotical point of vue. But on a human and existencial point of vue its absolutely not stupid. And, this project of Singularity is precisly asking that kind of question. Of course "the chinees" are the answer to all your question. "Sir what are you going to do for this problem" "the chinees" "oh yes sorry"...
War should not be a occasion to private us from our freedom. Better to die than to live without yourself. What is life without creation, imprevisible
funfair1618 1 year ago
Yes of course... chineese are a problem, you are rigth... I mean, war should not be a pretext to some people to atribuate them the all power, and its the case, of course we do not realy have the choice, we have to put ourserlve under the will of the powerfull. But, I just think that, humanity must begin to think globally but with taking in care much than only scientifically previsible factor. There is also human factor, other than fear and heat.
funfair1618 1 year ago
And, then you are concidering that a quart of humanity or 1/3 is under-alimented, and that some child don't eaven have the chance to pass 1 month on earth, and that the the other part of humanity is thinking to "how may I live 200 years".
There is too much trouble to put a such power into our hand, it's just crazy.
funfair1618 1 year ago
@funfair1618 : lol, we keep building intelligent things, they do nothing, and 30 years later they all have our technology. even 3d world countries have cell phones and computers now... should we stop searching for solutions? should we give all away to people who do not work?
GRIJZEKAK 1 year ago
I'm not "against" a such project. I just think that human is not ready.
How do you want to go to a such world with fear in your heart. We first have to take a huge breath, have a look on ourself. and after, why not, try to make our life become longer... Why to be pressed we are having much time than we think. By wanting to make the things going faster there is a risk to stumble.
funfair1618 1 year ago
Of course i'm saying "us" but I should better say "them" because everybody is not going to be abble to have a profite of these "technological progress"...
This attitud on life that puch men on "wanting to be immortel" is coming directly from a misse understanding of life. Because of a less of real reflexion, less of real happiness, to much frustration. Much and much you are suppressing frustration, much frustration is comming to you, you cannot suppress frustration because you are creating it.
funfair1618 1 year ago
Do you imagine, "I'm really having a supperficil live" "now that i'm immortel, i'm going to live the same stupid supperficiel live forever, great"...
I'm really asking me what kind of nevrosis you are going to creat by making tame living for a long long time...
In a fixed socity, people are becoming crazy, you are proposing us to go to a realy fixed socity, in the sens that our need of creation is going to become less and less, and we are going to bore us a lot...
funfair1618 1 year ago
I'm french and my english is surely not perfect.
funfair1618 1 year ago
I think this is again a way to separate more and more the powerfull of the little one.
Eaven if it is not the intention of this man, it will be the only possible result of such a project.
I think "these people" are stucked in a little world were suffer only exist under the form of frustration like "oh now, there is no more coffie" or things like that.
In what is it necessary to be "immortel" or things like that. Then you are immortel, great you are immortel, and you continue living you shit live
funfair1618 1 year ago
I love kurzweil but his predictions about human level AI and such seem a bit too optimistic. Sure, we might have the hardware and raw power to simulate a human brain but we still need software and there's a lot of questions still needing answers in neuroscience and such fields that kurzweil is probably a layman in.
rarulis 1 year ago
people are pretty stupid to not believe that we will advance technologically to the point of being able to replicate and even improve upon, the human brain.
dumb to think the singularity won't happen.
Mckennawasright 1 year ago
Ray Kurzweil may or may not be right. The interesting thing is how much anger and fear he stirs up, because IF he's right, it will forever demolish the idea that there is something more to our minds than computation. Obviously the brain doesn't work like the computers we build, but it IS is kind of data processor. The idealists and the Cartesians hate this idea.
Vincentaneous 1 year ago
Why doesn't he just admit they have "hit the wall" and the human mind is not simply an amalgamation of on/off switches like a computer.
mattyd723 1 year ago
@mattyd723 It is an amalgamation of neurons, which a vastly more complex than logic gates (semiconductor switches). However, the principle of how they function is very similar. Also, what evidence is there that the human mind is something more than the data processing of the brain?
Vincentaneous 1 year ago
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@Vincentaneous I guess you just have to believe it to see it.
mattyd723 1 year ago
Um, we're not going to be transformers--not in 2045, not ever. We don't even have an answer for the impending antibiotics Crisis. Nature will regulate us no matter what we do. The only singularity I want to hear about this fool is him falling into a black hole.
SpokWI 1 year ago
@SpokWI
Wow you are really smart. How do you know all of this?
Apjooz 1 year ago
"Martha, can you email me that lovely blouse of yours?"
Careless4321 1 year ago
OMG! The world is going to be run by robots by the year 2045!!!!
MsSarita08 1 year ago