can you tell what is the tool of the word EGYPT ???If ,no is a greek word...No I dont take it personal , I just want to say that Ypatia was a greek woman mathematician and greek legacy gave the lights to all over the world.
I Hate Christians, more evil then good...they alone put the human persona into the dark ages. Christianity is slowly comeing to an end. I won't see it in my life time. In 500 years time, people will look back & think what idiots, "they belived in a False God, where would the Human race be now if it wasn't for a most horrible death like Hypatia"
@gilgandra75 Don't sweat it, the God-Monkeys are on the way out. We don't have enough oyster shells to go around, but there are hungry lions in every zoo.
I don't care if she was Black, Egypcian or Greek! why i hate w/ all my heart that this virtuous woman was killed cause she was better than any stupid Christian fanatic!! she was one of the thousands of brilliant human being that were murdered for the Church!!
This is ridiculous. The RL Hypatia received nothing but praise from Xian leaders. That Cyril was a disgusting figure, having more in common with Don Corleon or Tony Soprano than a churchman. Hypatia was a *political* hit, like the horse head in the producer's bed from _The Godfather_. Her professional life had nothing to do with it. (Peter the Reader -- even sounds like a Mafioso's moniker.)
A generation later, Aedisia, also female and pagan, taught in Alexandria without interference.
@nasiagk you mean, she was african, born in Egypt, dad was an African black at that. And Greek legacy is stolen legacy from African. Now where would you like me to first educate you on this subject my friend, maybe that way the world would be a better place with knowing the truth. Don't take it personal, each one teach one. Hotep
This is sooooo sad....so much talent and culture lost for some beliefs. It is sad to see once more how a religion uses force to impose their ideas to others, and the lessons have not been learned.
Hypatia was a black Egyptian, so the white image is false. Hypatia was a gnostokoi, which means that she believed in governing the law of her own being using naturesmsysteries as the teacher -love & wisdom. She taught in the Mystery schools-the spiritual universities of antiquity. Her mastery was "theurgy" or god working- a form of magical invocation. Her expertise in theology threatened the ideology of salvationism-the redeemer complex of religion seeded by the zaddikim cult in Palestine.
Hypathias death is an example of why women were for centuries kept down, and that zealots were in control of the meanings of any scripture no matter what faith ,imagine thousands of people with no education beyond what a priest had to say...,and just look at womens role in muslim faith now , why ? again, very uneducated people follow whatever
the faiths leaders has to say,,.the truth is both women and men are in total equality and sadly it hasnt sunk in
This is the type pf behavior that christians really want to exhibit, if they thought they would survive to kill again they would. This type of action is the hallmark of the chirstian religion.
@celticgerman2 This type of action is the hallmark of ... religion. Don't bother singling out Christian; over time, one is no better or worse than another.
Lest we forget what hooliganism surrounded the early days of our own Christian religion: RIP Hypatia. May your beacon shine for critical thinkers everywhere, regardless of personal or religious creed.
The murder of Hypatia was a great crime. Unfortunately, the murder was done by our own Orthodox Christians, and for very crass reasons. Much of the blame must lie on the heart of Kyril of Alexandria, whose inflamatory rhetoric lead Fundamentalist Orthodox Christians to commit horrible deeds. there is no need .to try to cover this up or hide it. Incendiary relgio-political language is a great evil.
THOSE NINE SHOULD BE PRIVATED OF TECHNOLOGY IN ALL ITS FORMS, FROM A PENCIL TO A THERMAL JACKET, ELECTRICITY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THEYR USE, LET THEM GO BACK TO THE CAVES WERE THEY BELONG.
I PROPOSE THE WOMEN'S DAY SHOULD BE THE DAY OF HIPATIA OF ALEXANDRIA.
THOSE NINE SHOULD BE PRIVATED OF TECHNOLOGY IN ALL ITS FORMS, FROM A PENCIL TO A THERMAL JACKET, ELECTRICITY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THEYR USE, LET THEM GO BACK TO THE CAVES WERE THEY BELONG.
I PROPOSE THE WOMEN'S DAY SHOULD BE THE DAY OF HIPATIA OF ALEXANDRIA.
As a historian of prehistory through French revolution I seriously take offence to calling the middle ages the long and dark period. Ppl seem to forget without it many crucial things would not exist like Newtons theory of gravity or the planets and their alignment. Or even the building upon of Greek scientists understandings of human bodies which might I point out we still don't know everything about.
the myth of the dark age, As a deist I actually took the time to research what historians meant by "dark age", The dark age only encompassed western Europe, The term "dark" meant that the history in many parts of western Europe was left largely unwritten and undocumented creating a large gap or dark spot in recorded history, for a few centuries after the fall of the western half of the empire.
Imagination plays too important a role in the writing of history, and what is imagination but the projection of the author's personality.
Pieter Geyl
The researches of many eminent antiquarians have already thrown much darkness on the subject; and it is possible, if they continue their labors, that we shall soon know nothing at all.
Artemus Ward
To know the truth of history is to realize its ultimate myth and its inevitable ambiguity.
@antinomy777 Truthfully, what is anything in life without imagination. What's wrong with it being too important. Computers play an important role in history and was created by imagination. Everything around you that is invented has been made by imagination.
Research is finding the truth, to find it exactly without darkness ruins the fun of
mystery and the basics of history itself. Hearing lies, make people want to find the truth and uncover it. There would be no urge for truth without lies.
@OfficialIT There is an imagination based on fantasy, and that is nice. There is an imagination based on reality, and that is nice. When you imagine something that is not true and identify it as true, that is a lie, and that is not nice.
History is often written more in the minds transferred to the hands, than it was in the reality of its time. Fools grasp fiction repeated as fact and have petty arguments thereafter. In my anthropology class my cute PhD presented a tooth, and based on what that tooth might have come from, what type of social animal it may have come from, what type of people might have lived in proximity. Those who read write and create history oft do one thing in a superior way - demonstrate their prejudices.
The blessed Hypatia was brutally murdered by the Christian mad dogs in the month of March, 415 AD. One day the Christian Peter seized her. His Christian monks stripped her naked then dragged her through the streets to the newly Christianised Caesareum church, where she was brutally killed. Some reports suggest she was flayed with ostraca (pot shards) and set ablaze while still alive,
@mujaku Ah! And it turns out, all they had to do to Christianise the joint besides removing a few statues was to take the wax image of Julius Caesar down from its tropaeum and install a mannekin of their imaginary friend Jesus Christ in its place and... voila! A crucifix.
So, the question is: does any kind of unfounded belief tend to allow people's personal views to become their "power", which they thereafter begin to force this "power" upon others? If so, is this notion only applicable to religion?
We could all take something away from this History.
1442 years the word hellene wasn't heard. the word hellenic was a heritic word a pagan word. penalty by way of death was inforced by the christians. but the hellenes didn't forget that holly word in 1821 they started to use that holly word called hellenic. no religon in human history can match the imortal hellenic spirit. not even christianity, not even judaism or islam.
Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth --- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable
...When the the Roman empire crumbled, overrun in the west by so called barbarians and in the east by muslims, who safeguarded the Hellenistic heritage? Christian Byzantium. Who propelled the interest in Hellenistic philosophy in Italy which started the Renaissance? Christian Greeks from Byzantium. Just like you yourself stated, though omitting the "Christian" part. Italy was staunchly Catholic yet had in general no problem with this relaunch of Hellenistic ideas...
...I'm btw a great admirer of Hellenism, because it was such a tremendous leap forward in science and arts for humanity, but putting Hellenism against Christianity like in this video isn't fully historically accurate. What we have today in the West is the fusion of Hellenistic ideas and philosophy, Roman tradition and law, and Christian theology and morality. Some early Christians were indeed intolerant and suspicious of the Hellenistic heritage, but others embraced much of it themselves...
The Dark Ages were dark not because of Christianity - which had become the state religion of a flourishing Roman empire under Constantine - but because of the subsequent fall of the Roman empire. The Roman empire fell primarily because of massive migrations of a hitherto unseen scale into central Europe and subsequently into Roman territories and partly because of bad leadership. The eastern Roman (Byzantine) empire lived on for many centuries time until it was bit-by-bit overrun by Muslims...
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To all the ignorant Atheists, Christian haters, Communists, muslims and others..
Hellenistic Civilization DID NOT end with Hypatias death.. But it continued and flourished for another 1,100 Years through the Greek Byzantines. Math, Science, art, Engineering, Astronomy and the Greek language continued on..
This video is pure Communists/Atheist propaganda.
Watch the whole series below and learn how the Greek Byzantines gave birth to Western Civilization as we know it.
Your reaction is very predictable and reminds me of the same person with many accounts. You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same bullshit about atheism, communism etc.
Fanaticism -wherever it comes from- has been the greatest curse throughout the course of human history. And, once again. let me tell you that I am totally aware of the deeper meanings of Christianity's rituals, but your way of thinking is so biased that you refuse to understand what I am trying to say.
Criticizing organized religions as tools of controlling people and gaining political power doesn't necessarily make one an atheist, unless your level of understanding gives makes you think so. The problem is that in the name of God or (for "Christians") Jesus, hatred and bloodshed reigned all over the world. Islam is today what the Christian Church was until the early 19th century.
Equating questioning with atheism is a common tactic of (politically) extremely right-winged "Christians".
@MACEDONIANFONTS True civilisation existed for a while after hypatia with the Byzantimes, but was then destroyed by the muslims. Are we seeing a pattern here?
@mitchells00 The Arabs influenced the whole world brother. Several inventions, technology, and the Arabic numerals we are using today are all contributions of the Muslims. What the fuck are you talking about? The arabs enriched the Mediterranean culture.
@Voodoofreak35 The Arabs did not truly discovered scientific knowledge they only took it from the ancient civilization that lived on the land they conquiered. Arabb numbers are in fact Indian numbers, and most of the invention you 're talking about are of greek inspiration.
The truth is they were ignorant nomadic tribes united by a lustful and blood thirsty warlord who passed himself as a prophet. They killed each other over goats, and in 200 years when oil is all gone they will do so again.
@Voodoofreak35 You got me there I do not deny what is written in this book , but to say they brought civilization to the western world would be false.
THOUGH,it is true the Arabs were more advanced that the european in the middle ages especially in medecine , mathematics, and suchs. I do not posses any history degreee.
The point is religious fanatism as a whole destroys civilization( and not just Islam) what happend to Hypatia is a good example.
@GeoffreyRahl I despise religious stupidity as much as you do. But you should not write the entire Arab/Islamic nation off like that. If you do study history, you realize that Muslims back in the days weren't the kind of Muslims you see on TV ganging up with AK47s firing towards the sky and shouting jihad.
People wouldn't have to resort to violence if their regime over a particular region is threatened by some other regimes.
@GeoffreyRahl Some Arab countries like Iran and Afghanistan are just sick of Western intervention in their regional political affairs.
Think about it, how did the Americans react when they were told by some people that slavery was wrong? HUH? They fought a fucking war so that they can go back and keep their niggers! U see my point.
@Voodoofreak35 Of course the Americans go at war whenever their economy is threatened that is by the way the only reason why they fought WW1 AND WW2. If the trade line on which their economy stood weren't blown up by german subs All of Europe would probably speak german today. And everybody knows the Irak war was for oil.Not for democracy. Iran has a ambiguous position on Nuclear power. I for one hope the Iranian People will seek freedom on its own!
@GeoffreyRahl Brother, let me ask you this: In Ibn al-Haytham's Kitab al-Manazir ,The Book of Optics, are you able to find anything in this book that had previously been studied? Go read some books before you speak alright? Do not come out here and flaunt your ignorance in front of people.
The old Arabs destroyed the books on her when they set fire to the library in Alexandria. Arabs and other conquerors have destroyed that which is sacred. Egypt! All the arts and sciences come from Kemet which is now called Egypt. The word Chemistry is derived from kemet. I am glad i know my African history, despite the refusal of most usa schoos teaching it.
USA refused to teach about the oldest civilizaiton in the world. Why, because it started as a black civilization. The archeological evidence is overwelming.
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Yep the good old christian people blunging poor hypatia to death. Hypatia was a black woman. Kemet/Egypt was once a land of peace till the greeks/roman invasion. Then it became cultural imperialism!
Hypatia, a black woman? I am not a racist and I have nothing against color, religion, nation or culture. But her name (Hypatia) and her father's name Theon are Greek. She was an embodiment of Greek philosophical thinking.
If that be so, why would one of her own blunging her to death? Besides that she learned from the ancients Kemet/Egyptians cradle of civilization in Egypt. Greek thinking is plagarizm of the Egyptian's arts and sciences.
You got a persecution and inferiority complex, That has made you paranoid and blind to ethnic truth. Kemet was always a racial mixed people, Its religion and language had black roots, Your anti "arab theory" is nonsense, Why are the Sudanese very dark despite being by in large bi-racial progeny of Arab fathers and black mothers, Northern Egyptians were never very dark to begin with!
@Yannisastra Den zitisa tipote synkekrimeno...:)) Apla gia afto to video gia tin Ypatia sou leo. Sowaro me istorika dedomena kai epixeirimata kai kalo tha itan na diadothei giati ligei gnorizoun gia tin Ypatia pou eixe empnefstei apo ton Aristarxo tis Samou an den kano lathos gia to Hliokentriko systima ton planiton mas...
@standforchange08 As a Greek I freely acknowledge the contributions of black people and north Africans , Racism and white supremacy did not exist in antiquity, The Greek pharaoh's after Alexander married and had children with black African princesses from Nubia and Ethiopia and in all likeliness the male line in the Ptolemy clan after a few generations probably produced sons who looked like Boris Kodjoe
@Obasiliasfilosofos The Ptolemaic pharaohs married their sisters as a rule. There is no evidence of any of the Ptolemies intermarrying with anyone except the descendants of Macedonian-Greeks.
They had many concubines and also arranged marriages with other royalty forming *harems*, The sisters in question were often "half sisters" born from a concubine rather then the mother of the Pharaoh, Not everyone one of these brother-sister unions produced children or children healthy enough to survive long enough to inherit the throne.
I don't even know how this " agora is an anti-christian movie " myth started, this film is about the political dangers of radicalism. If you have watched the movie, it shows intolerance from not only christians, but Pagans, jews and even in philosophy as Aristarcus's heliocentric model was ridiculed.
The movie, friend, the movie. But I don't know how many people could know something abaouti Ipazia . Not a lot, this is sure. Sorry for my english. Ciao.
Am I right to suggest that the censoring of the movie has been implemented by the Vatican?
If this is so, all I can say is that we are living in a facade democracy. That's too bad.
A question: Is the Vatican still exerting influence on Italian politics? If this question is affirmative, then about which democracy are we talking about?
All this nonsense about the movie Agora being "censored" by the Vatican is nothing more than the usual delusion of persecution garbage coming straight from paranoid conspiracy theorists and pseudo-pagan/New Age kooky mystics. There has been a delay securing the film's distribution rights in Italy for plain and simple commercial reasons. A situation that is quite common in the film market, especially when we are talking about a movie that is not your run-of-the-mill blockbuster like this one.
Or do you really believe that the Vatican has some kind of authority over the Italian film distribution industry? Mind control rays beaming from St. Peters, perhaps?
And what about The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons? Were they also censored in Italy? I guess not...
If a priest decide that 'il diavolo' ..., may be useful to control people he tell about him . But he has to show it . What's better that a very, too..,intelligent and beautiful woman ? I believe that Ipazia was the first 'whitch' in the history of our western world. After 'Ipazia',,,, the Jesus Crist religion begen to conquest all the world; it tried ...to conquest it . However...
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Wow, a little defensive? Truth can be proven, lies cannot. This is why some1 lying or spreading a lie is scared and they will call names and talk about delusions rather than just calmly discussing the facts that can be proven...then deduce the answer from the Facts. I guess if there are not mind controls rays beaming from st. peter, then the vatican must not have any influence on the information people receive...you are soo good at making points!!!! Muah!
No sh*t, Sherlock! Did I said that the Vatican has no influence whatsoever over the catholic community?? I only stated that it doesn't have any kind of authority over the Italian film market, which is a simple and plain fact!
BTW, the film's Spanish producer already confirmed that Agora will be released in Italy next spring. So, who's lying here?
Why are you asking me? I never said that the "Agora" movie has been censored by the Vatican. I just discuss this issue because there are people who say so. That's all. If it is not true, argue with them and not me.
Just read the Constitution of the Italian Republic and also the European Union's Constitution, that might help cure your ignorance. Italy and the Vatican are two independent and separate states, therefore no film can be banned or censored in Italy because the Vatican says so!
Italy is a democratic country, member of the EU, where separation of churh and state is guaranteed by the Constitution. But to reduce you to complete silence, let me tell you that films considered anti-catholic like Godard's Je Vous Salue Marie, Scorsese's Last Temptation of Christ and The Da Vinci Code were all released in Italy, despite strong protest from the Church. So, as you can see the Vatican has no authority over the Italian film distribution.
Hi, buddy from Portugal. I really don't understand what you're up to. As I said, I have no reason to question your views regarding the film Agora. I am just exchanging some thoughts with the viewers of this video. I really don't understand why you are replying questions posed by others to me.
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
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If One wish were granted to me, this would be to spend many year in the library of Alex, and come back to present with this knowledge. I pains my soul, the lost knowledge. Thank you for the vid it expresses this in the way I feel.
This I enjoy very much. There are some tiny flaws I would show if you care to learn them, but not so much as to change the video. Thanks for exceptional.
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Read "Ammianus Marcellinus" history books 14-19 and find out the terrible truth, hiden form the world! Hypatia, as terrible her death was, it wasn't as bad as the rest of Greeks that died in the christian concentration camps of (BETH SIAN) known to Greeks as SKYTHOPOLIS. 5* friend!
You must be joking, right? Ammianus Marcellinus Rerum Gestarum history books cover the period between 353 and 375; Hypatia was killed in 415. So, she is never mentioned by Ammianus Marcellinus anywhere in his books!!!
For your knowledge: Socrates Scholasticus, Synesius of Cyrene and Damascius are the only near-contemporary historical sources that mention Hypatia.
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I wasn't talking about Hypatia, I was talking about the destruction of Greece, and the killings of the church, and Hypatia had the same fate in a later time!
@DoctorMirabilis80 Neo-pagans may be a bit flakey in their beliefs, but if you are actually arguing that Christians never persecuted or killed pagans for their beliefs then I don't know what to tell you.
What makes you think, the books you are reading, say the truth? Maybe you should check the background of these so called historians, you will be surprized to see, who you are learning history from.
Your comments only reveal a deep ignorance about the historical method, do you know? Serious historians always check the sources they are using and always try to read them in the language in which they were originally written, when that is possible, of course. For example, I've read Ammianus Marcellinus books in Latin and I can guarantee you that Scythopolis was a place of exile and not some kind of concentration camp nonsense.
The Arian emperor Constantius (337-361) sentenced his political enemies to be exiled there and these were pagans who conspired against him through the use of magic and sorcery, and also Orthodox Christians like the bishop Eusebius of Vercelli who spent 5 years in exile in Scythopolis.
So, stop trying to cling to myths propagated by neo-pagans and go educate yourself about the real history of this period. It's much more more rich and complex than the cartoon version you are trying to maintain.
Your Arian Emperor was a killer influenced by his fanatic christian mother, and killed his "own blood" cause they didn't folow his beliefs. About the "magic and sorcery" you better read the book THE GREAT LIE by Kallopoulos, to show you what sorcery means, and who used it!
I was talking about Constantius and not his father Constantine!!! Yes, their names are similar but professional historians don't confound them. And if Michael Kalopoulos is your idea of a honest and serious historian (a guy who is despised among real scholars por his ideologically motivated, radical and pseudo-historical polemics), I truly pity you.
Now, for some true enlightenment about this historical period, you could read instead: Judaism and Hellenism - Studies of Their Encounter in Palestine; Jews, Greeks and Barbarians - Aspects of the Hellenization of Judaism in the Pre-Christian Period and Acts and the History of Earliest Christianity. All 3 books by Prof. Martin Hengel, one the greatest experts on Hellenism, Judaism and Early Christianity.
There is no need to read contemporary writers... Read " The True Word" by Celsus, written in 2 AD... I bet he knew things better... since he lived them...
If my comment seemed rude it is because I have very little patience with neo-pagans, christian creationists, Holocaust deniers, ufologists and every other kind of wacko conspiracy theorists who seek to distort history in order to suit their own agendas and ridiculous beliefs. Enough said.
Yes, she met a very gruesome death. But remember that it was politically motivated: Orestes, the prefect of Alexandria (a very close friend of Hypatia and a Christian) had already condemned a monk called Ammonius to be flogged to death and for that action alienated the Patriarch Cyril and the majority of the Alexandrian clergy. So, Hypatia was chosen as a kind of political scapegoat, since some members of the clergy thought that it was she who prevented Orestes from being reconciled to Cyril.
Anyway, to make a long story short: Hypatia of Alexandria is no more a "martyr for Science and Reason" than Hippasus of Metapontum, Archimedes or Antoine-Laurent de Lavoisier. All of them were killed because of personal and political animosity, although it is reported that Fouquier de Tinville, the public prosecutor of the French Revolutionary Tribunal, dismissed one last appeal to save Lavoisier from the guillotine with the statement: "The Revolution has no need of scientists!"
Nevertheless, I suggest the author of this video to read the following books: Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths by Regine Pernoud and The Barbarian Conversion: From Paganism to Christianity by Richard Fletcher.
Note: this is real History done by real scholars and not the usual kind of fantasy pseudo-history (along with victim mentality garbage) that many neo-pagans can't seem to help themselves but indulge in.
In respect to the "Dark Ages" that began in the Fifth Century, that was due to the Barbarian invasions and the sudden collapse of the Western Roman Empire. However, in the Eastern Roman Empire nothing like that happened : Greek Science was cherished and applied for example in the great Byzantine architecture, e.g. the monumental Hagia Sophia of Constantinople.
As we can read in the near-contemporary historical accounts of Socrates Scholasticus (christian) and Damascius (pagan), Hypatia was killed political reasons and not because she was opposed to the Christian faith: she was a close friend of Orestes, who had put a Citrian monk called Ammonius to death, and thus Cyril's allies called for revenge and Hypatia was chosen as the scape goat. Religion had zero to do with it.
@DoctorMirabilis80 Reductionism. She was killed for both religious and political reasons. If she was a Christian do you think they would have killed her?
II) The Patriarch Cyril of Alexandria was in no way the "father of the Christian Doctrine of the Trinity", since it can be traced back to Tertullian in the II century AD.
III) The equivalence between the death of Hypatia and the rise of Christianity which was responsible for the beggining of this supposed "dark age of ignorance" is again pure myth!
DoctorMirabilis80 you are historian? Then Τίς, πόδεν εί̃ς άνδρω̃ν, πόδι τοι πόλις ήδέ τοχη̃̃ες. I think every Hypatia fan have enough of your anonymous rude comments...
Yes, I read the Odyssey in Ancient Greek a few years ago. Now, in respect to my "anonymous rude comments" I really don't know what are you talking about. As a serious and honest historian (which I am), I just pointed out some of the obvious historical errors contained in this video. So, please tell me what's so rude about that?
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Extraordinary video! The most educational video I have seen on YouTube. There should be more like it. The must was wonderful. Thank you for putting up the name and composer of the piece. So sad that the human race has lost so much progress due to closed-minded people. They have always existed and still exist now! They keep all of us from moving forward toward a better world.
can you tell what is the tool of the word EGYPT ???If ,no is a greek word...No I dont take it personal , I just want to say that Ypatia was a greek woman mathematician and greek legacy gave the lights to all over the world.
nasiagk 3 months ago
I Hate Christians, more evil then good...they alone put the human persona into the dark ages. Christianity is slowly comeing to an end. I won't see it in my life time. In 500 years time, people will look back & think what idiots, "they belived in a False God, where would the Human race be now if it wasn't for a most horrible death like Hypatia"
gilgandra75 4 months ago
@gilgandra75 Don't sweat it, the God-Monkeys are on the way out. We don't have enough oyster shells to go around, but there are hungry lions in every zoo.
bryanttillman 1 month ago
thank you for sharing this I like it a lot.
blackdreamhunk2 4 months ago
I don't care if she was Black, Egypcian or Greek! why i hate w/ all my heart that this virtuous woman was killed cause she was better than any stupid Christian fanatic!! she was one of the thousands of brilliant human being that were murdered for the Church!!
Joakinsmat 5 months ago 3
This is ridiculous. The RL Hypatia received nothing but praise from Xian leaders. That Cyril was a disgusting figure, having more in common with Don Corleon or Tony Soprano than a churchman. Hypatia was a *political* hit, like the horse head in the producer's bed from _The Godfather_. Her professional life had nothing to do with it. (Peter the Reader -- even sounds like a Mafioso's moniker.)
A generation later, Aedisia, also female and pagan, taught in Alexandria without interference.
LordKelvin100 5 months ago
hypatia was greek!!!!!!!greek culture was and ..is everywere.......
nasiagk 6 months ago
@nasiagk you mean, she was african, born in Egypt, dad was an African black at that. And Greek legacy is stolen legacy from African. Now where would you like me to first educate you on this subject my friend, maybe that way the world would be a better place with knowing the truth. Don't take it personal, each one teach one. Hotep
DelBoyMcFlyy 3 months ago 2
This is sooooo sad....so much talent and culture lost for some beliefs. It is sad to see once more how a religion uses force to impose their ideas to others, and the lessons have not been learned.
soilofk 6 months ago
Hypatia was a black Egyptian, so the white image is false. Hypatia was a gnostokoi, which means that she believed in governing the law of her own being using naturesmsysteries as the teacher -love & wisdom. She taught in the Mystery schools-the spiritual universities of antiquity. Her mastery was "theurgy" or god working- a form of magical invocation. Her expertise in theology threatened the ideology of salvationism-the redeemer complex of religion seeded by the zaddikim cult in Palestine.
Innerdiamond 7 months ago
Thank you for this tribute. She is an exemple for every body, above us today with the rise of the religious fanatism. We must never forget her !
Robespierre68 9 months ago
Thanks!!!
dikasantru 9 months ago
Hypathias death is an example of why women were for centuries kept down, and that zealots were in control of the meanings of any scripture no matter what faith ,imagine thousands of people with no education beyond what a priest had to say...,and just look at womens role in muslim faith now , why ? again, very uneducated people follow whatever
the faiths leaders has to say,,.the truth is both women and men are in total equality and sadly it hasnt sunk in
GrooveDoctor77 9 months ago
@GrooveDoctor77 Not why women were kept down; only that they were, and how.
ethangirlsmom 5 months ago
&thank you for this vid!
chobiv7 9 months ago
i bet if Hypatia were a dude, everything would've been different >:O
chobiv7 9 months ago
poor Hypatia
1600 years later
she is still being persecuted for her inquisitive nature.
pantsuck10 10 months ago
This is the type pf behavior that christians really want to exhibit, if they thought they would survive to kill again they would. This type of action is the hallmark of the chirstian religion.
celticgerman2 10 months ago 2
@celticgerman2 This type of action is the hallmark of ... religion. Don't bother singling out Christian; over time, one is no better or worse than another.
ethangirlsmom 5 months ago
Lest we forget what hooliganism surrounded the early days of our own Christian religion: RIP Hypatia. May your beacon shine for critical thinkers everywhere, regardless of personal or religious creed.
tyrrath 10 months ago
The Last Oracle of Delphi,
from Pythia Nikandra:
ΕΣΤ' ΗΜΑΡ ΟΤΕ ΦΟΙΒΟΣ
ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΛΕΥΣΕΤΑΙ
ΚΑΙ ΕΣ ΑΕΙ ΕΣΣΕΤΑΙ!
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THE DAY WILL COME
WHEN PHOEBUS APOLLO
RETURNS, AND
WILL STAY FOR EVER!
TheDovista 10 months ago
beautiful, thanks for uploading this.
macnutz 10 months ago
Σαν σήμερα εκετέλεστηκε η ΜΕΓΙΣΤΗ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΙΝΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΣ ΥΠΑΤΙΑ
από φανατικούς Χριστιανούς,.
῏Ην τις γυνὴ ἐν τῇ Ἀλεξανδρείᾳ τοὔνομα Ὑπατία· αὕτη Θέωνος μὲν τοῦ φιλοσόφου θυγάτηρ ἦν.
Zeuxis5511 1 year ago
The murder of Hypatia was a great crime. Unfortunately, the murder was done by our own Orthodox Christians, and for very crass reasons. Much of the blame must lie on the heart of Kyril of Alexandria, whose inflamatory rhetoric lead Fundamentalist Orthodox Christians to commit horrible deeds. there is no need .to try to cover this up or hide it. Incendiary relgio-political language is a great evil.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
THOSE NINE SHOULD BE PRIVATED OF TECHNOLOGY IN ALL ITS FORMS, FROM A PENCIL TO A THERMAL JACKET, ELECTRICITY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THEYR USE, LET THEM GO BACK TO THE CAVES WERE THEY BELONG.
I PROPOSE THE WOMEN'S DAY SHOULD BE THE DAY OF HIPATIA OF ALEXANDRIA.
rosmer00 1 year ago
THOSE NINE SHOULD BE PRIVATED OF TECHNOLOGY IN ALL ITS FORMS, FROM A PENCIL TO A THERMAL JACKET, ELECTRICITY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THEYR USE, LET THEM GO BACK TO THE CAVES WERE THEY BELONG.
I PROPOSE THE WOMEN'S DAY SHOULD BE THE DAY OF HIPATIA OF ALEXANDRIA.
rosmer00 1 year ago
bravo brave man and women
erock232323 1 year ago
Thanks for that great history lesson. There are people in this world who crave knowledge!
WheelSlip8 1 year ago
Beautiful tribute to an awesome intelligent woman!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Rachel Weisz played her very well in the film "Agora'
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
RIP Hypatia
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
like one great man once said:"I like your Christ,I don't like your christians.Your christians are so unlike your Christ"
leniboda 1 year ago
As a historian of prehistory through French revolution I seriously take offence to calling the middle ages the long and dark period. Ppl seem to forget without it many crucial things would not exist like Newtons theory of gravity or the planets and their alignment. Or even the building upon of Greek scientists understandings of human bodies which might I point out we still don't know everything about.
GummiBands 1 year ago 2
One of my heroes. If one truly understands a Scientific concept; one can teach it to a child.
suretobringskills 1 year ago
Those hypochristians who MURDERED Hypatia worshiped a catamite goDD!
Pituxalina1A 1 year ago 7
@Pituxalina1A And a sodomite cross!
EdM021 10 months ago
Interesting and informative vid!
Thanks! I faved it:)
TwilightForestLight 1 year ago
It's an irony that much of the mythical career of the Christian martyr Catherine of Alexandria seems to have been based on Hypatia.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
The church had a guilty conscious?
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
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the myth of the dark age, As a deist I actually took the time to research what historians meant by "dark age", The dark age only encompassed western Europe, The term "dark" meant that the history in many parts of western Europe was left largely unwritten and undocumented creating a large gap or dark spot in recorded history, for a few centuries after the fall of the western half of the empire.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
Imagination plays too important a role in the writing of history, and what is imagination but the projection of the author's personality.
Pieter Geyl
The researches of many eminent antiquarians have already thrown much darkness on the subject; and it is possible, if they continue their labors, that we shall soon know nothing at all.
Artemus Ward
To know the truth of history is to realize its ultimate myth and its inevitable ambiguity.
Roy P. Basler
antinomy777 1 year ago
@antinomy777 Truthfully, what is anything in life without imagination. What's wrong with it being too important. Computers play an important role in history and was created by imagination. Everything around you that is invented has been made by imagination.
Research is finding the truth, to find it exactly without darkness ruins the fun of
mystery and the basics of history itself. Hearing lies, make people want to find the truth and uncover it. There would be no urge for truth without lies.
OfficialIT 1 year ago
@OfficialIT There is an imagination based on fantasy, and that is nice. There is an imagination based on reality, and that is nice. When you imagine something that is not true and identify it as true, that is a lie, and that is not nice.
antinomy777 1 year ago
History is often written more in the minds transferred to the hands, than it was in the reality of its time. Fools grasp fiction repeated as fact and have petty arguments thereafter. In my anthropology class my cute PhD presented a tooth, and based on what that tooth might have come from, what type of social animal it may have come from, what type of people might have lived in proximity. Those who read write and create history oft do one thing in a superior way - demonstrate their prejudices.
antinomy777 1 year ago
excellent presentation. Thanks
pangeaprogress 1 year ago
Bravo!!! Wonderful tribute!!!
Atheos27 1 year ago
Wasn't the Hellenistic Age over by her time?
MyBruno555 1 year ago
The blessed Hypatia was brutally murdered by the Christian mad dogs in the month of March, 415 AD. One day the Christian Peter seized her. His Christian monks stripped her naked then dragged her through the streets to the newly Christianised Caesareum church, where she was brutally killed. Some reports suggest she was flayed with ostraca (pot shards) and set ablaze while still alive,
mujaku 1 year ago
@mujaku Ah! And it turns out, all they had to do to Christianise the joint besides removing a few statues was to take the wax image of Julius Caesar down from its tropaeum and install a mannekin of their imaginary friend Jesus Christ in its place and... voila! A crucifix.
EdM021 10 months ago
So, the question is: does any kind of unfounded belief tend to allow people's personal views to become their "power", which they thereafter begin to force this "power" upon others? If so, is this notion only applicable to religion?
We could all take something away from this History.
handofstand 1 year ago
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watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
check out wikipedia:
Greco-Buddhism
Buddhism and Christianity
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
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watch google video:
Thomas McEvilley on 'The Shape of Ancient Thought'
wikipedia
Greco-Buddhism
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
1442 years the word hellene wasn't heard. the word hellenic was a heritic word a pagan word. penalty by way of death was inforced by the christians. but the hellenes didn't forget that holly word in 1821 they started to use that holly word called hellenic. no religon in human history can match the imortal hellenic spirit. not even christianity, not even judaism or islam.
themios72 1 year ago
Quote below by Hypatia of Alexandria
Hekamaat 1 year ago
Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth --- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable
Hekamaat 1 year ago 9
@Hekamaat Love this quote, I used it in my speech on religious tolerance. Hypatia really is inspirational.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
...When the the Roman empire crumbled, overrun in the west by so called barbarians and in the east by muslims, who safeguarded the Hellenistic heritage? Christian Byzantium. Who propelled the interest in Hellenistic philosophy in Italy which started the Renaissance? Christian Greeks from Byzantium. Just like you yourself stated, though omitting the "Christian" part. Italy was staunchly Catholic yet had in general no problem with this relaunch of Hellenistic ideas...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago 2
@unapologeticmind Safeguarded? That is a good joke. I am an eye witness to the destruction of the greek heritage in the name of religion..
sarissaki 1 year ago
...I'm btw a great admirer of Hellenism, because it was such a tremendous leap forward in science and arts for humanity, but putting Hellenism against Christianity like in this video isn't fully historically accurate. What we have today in the West is the fusion of Hellenistic ideas and philosophy, Roman tradition and law, and Christian theology and morality. Some early Christians were indeed intolerant and suspicious of the Hellenistic heritage, but others embraced much of it themselves...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
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unapologeticmind 1 year ago
The Dark Ages were dark not because of Christianity - which had become the state religion of a flourishing Roman empire under Constantine - but because of the subsequent fall of the Roman empire. The Roman empire fell primarily because of massive migrations of a hitherto unseen scale into central Europe and subsequently into Roman territories and partly because of bad leadership. The eastern Roman (Byzantine) empire lived on for many centuries time until it was bit-by-bit overrun by Muslims...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
Thanks for this fascinating and important video.
TheAeolianHarp 1 year ago
I love this video. Hypatia was an heroine, a woman that should be admired by everybody!
topito2 1 year ago
Η Υπάτια ζεί! μέσα μας και κρατάει ζωντανή την φλόγα της ελευθερίας απο τους χριστιανούς Πολύ καλό *****
Pilaeus 1 year ago
thank you so much for sharing this video, my father love ancient history so he named my sister after her
Cerebrin10 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing this video.
Applesana 1 year ago
In the hellenic Hearts she is still alive.
Christians destroyed her body, not her
great spirit.
MysticTV777 1 year ago 38
Yanni, esy gurises tin tainia Agora...ena hrono prin!
ArgeadDynasty 1 year ago
wikipedia
Greco-Buddhism
Buddhism and Christianity
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
Αν ειχαν επικρατισει οι Πυθαγοριοι και οι Αλεξανδρινοι σημερα θα μιλουσαμε για τα απιστευτα επιτευγματα του Ανθρωπινου και δη του Ελληνικου γενους
CASIUSGELAEI 2 years ago
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To all the ignorant Atheists, Christian haters, Communists, muslims and others..
Hellenistic Civilization DID NOT end with Hypatias death.. But it continued and flourished for another 1,100 Years through the Greek Byzantines. Math, Science, art, Engineering, Astronomy and the Greek language continued on..
This video is pure Communists/Atheist propaganda.
Watch the whole series below and learn how the Greek Byzantines gave birth to Western Civilization as we know it.
/watch?v=yymXqXabqls
MACEDONIANFONTS 2 years ago
Your reaction is very predictable and reminds me of the same person with many accounts. You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same bullshit about atheism, communism etc.
Fanaticism -wherever it comes from- has been the greatest curse throughout the course of human history. And, once again. let me tell you that I am totally aware of the deeper meanings of Christianity's rituals, but your way of thinking is so biased that you refuse to understand what I am trying to say.
Yannisastra 2 years ago 12
Criticizing organized religions as tools of controlling people and gaining political power doesn't necessarily make one an atheist, unless your level of understanding gives makes you think so. The problem is that in the name of God or (for "Christians") Jesus, hatred and bloodshed reigned all over the world. Islam is today what the Christian Church was until the early 19th century.
Equating questioning with atheism is a common tactic of (politically) extremely right-winged "Christians".
Yannisastra 2 years ago 12
@MACEDONIANFONTS True civilisation existed for a while after hypatia with the Byzantimes, but was then destroyed by the muslims. Are we seeing a pattern here?
mitchells00 1 year ago
@mitchells00 The Arabs influenced the whole world brother. Several inventions, technology, and the Arabic numerals we are using today are all contributions of the Muslims. What the fuck are you talking about? The arabs enriched the Mediterranean culture.
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 The Arabs did not truly discovered scientific knowledge they only took it from the ancient civilization that lived on the land they conquiered. Arabb numbers are in fact Indian numbers, and most of the invention you 're talking about are of greek inspiration.
The truth is they were ignorant nomadic tribes united by a lustful and blood thirsty warlord who passed himself as a prophet. They killed each other over goats, and in 200 years when oil is all gone they will do so again.
GeoffreyRahl 1 year ago
@GeoffreyRahl This is why I have master degree in history from UC Berkeley, and god knows what you do or where you study ur history...
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 You got me there I do not deny what is written in this book , but to say they brought civilization to the western world would be false.
THOUGH,it is true the Arabs were more advanced that the european in the middle ages especially in medecine , mathematics, and suchs. I do not posses any history degreee.
The point is religious fanatism as a whole destroys civilization( and not just Islam) what happend to Hypatia is a good example.
GeoffreyRahl 1 year ago
@GeoffreyRahl I despise religious stupidity as much as you do. But you should not write the entire Arab/Islamic nation off like that. If you do study history, you realize that Muslims back in the days weren't the kind of Muslims you see on TV ganging up with AK47s firing towards the sky and shouting jihad.
People wouldn't have to resort to violence if their regime over a particular region is threatened by some other regimes.
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@GeoffreyRahl Some Arab countries like Iran and Afghanistan are just sick of Western intervention in their regional political affairs.
Think about it, how did the Americans react when they were told by some people that slavery was wrong? HUH? They fought a fucking war so that they can go back and keep their niggers! U see my point.
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 Of course the Americans go at war whenever their economy is threatened that is by the way the only reason why they fought WW1 AND WW2. If the trade line on which their economy stood weren't blown up by german subs All of Europe would probably speak german today. And everybody knows the Irak war was for oil.Not for democracy. Iran has a ambiguous position on Nuclear power. I for one hope the Iranian People will seek freedom on its own!
GeoffreyRahl 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 No, that is absurd. Lincoln didn't declare war on the South because of slavery you bafoon. Your point is a bit off...
MarcusKiner 1 year ago
@GeoffreyRahl Brother, let me ask you this: In Ibn al-Haytham's Kitab al-Manazir ,The Book of Optics, are you able to find anything in this book that had previously been studied? Go read some books before you speak alright? Do not come out here and flaunt your ignorance in front of people.
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
@Voodoofreak35 Uh, Islam didn't exist back then. Arabs were so great until their christian takeover, then the islamic one.
mitchells00 1 year ago
@sblug2:In Alexandria of 415 ad, yes, the helenistic age continued to influence the lives of people and their way of thinking MORE than any other.
I would say that Roman occupation was something typical and-more or less-Greece, Egypt and Middle East generally continued under this influence...
platanis 2 years ago 2
So the hellenistic age continues up to 415 ? Check your history, my friend. ^^
No offense. I too am really interested by Hypatia. And the movie had its flaw, but it was really moving.
sblug2 2 years ago
The old Arabs destroyed the books on her when they set fire to the library in Alexandria. Arabs and other conquerors have destroyed that which is sacred. Egypt! All the arts and sciences come from Kemet which is now called Egypt. The word Chemistry is derived from kemet. I am glad i know my African history, despite the refusal of most usa schoos teaching it.
standforchange08 2 years ago
USA refused to teach about the oldest civilizaiton in the world. Why, because it started as a black civilization. The archeological evidence is overwelming.
standforchange08 2 years ago
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Yep the good old christian people blunging poor hypatia to death. Hypatia was a black woman. Kemet/Egypt was once a land of peace till the greeks/roman invasion. Then it became cultural imperialism!
standforchange08 2 years ago
Hypatia, a black woman? I am not a racist and I have nothing against color, religion, nation or culture. But her name (Hypatia) and her father's name Theon are Greek. She was an embodiment of Greek philosophical thinking.
Yannisastra 2 years ago 14
If that be so, why would one of her own blunging her to death? Besides that she learned from the ancients Kemet/Egyptians cradle of civilization in Egypt. Greek thinking is plagarizm of the Egyptian's arts and sciences.
standforchange08 2 years ago
i got nothing against black people but the truth is she was greek daughter of Theon who was argive or athenian.
As about greeks and egyptians its very complicated relation both civilization gave and took from each other.
dimalex8 1 year ago
@standforchange08
You got a persecution and inferiority complex, That has made you paranoid and blind to ethnic truth. Kemet was always a racial mixed people, Its religion and language had black roots, Your anti "arab theory" is nonsense, Why are the Sudanese very dark despite being by in large bi-racial progeny of Arab fathers and black mothers, Northern Egyptians were never very dark to begin with!
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
@Yannisastra Ti kaneis file mou?...giati den mou to esteiles afto?
EllinMK 1 year ago
@EllinMK
Θύμησέ μου, τι μου είχες ζητήσει?
Yannisastra 1 year ago
@Yannisastra Den zitisa tipote synkekrimeno...:)) Apla gia afto to video gia tin Ypatia sou leo. Sowaro me istorika dedomena kai epixeirimata kai kalo tha itan na diadothei giati ligei gnorizoun gia tin Ypatia pou eixe empnefstei apo ton Aristarxo tis Samou an den kano lathos gia to Hliokentriko systima ton planiton mas...
EllinMK 1 year ago
@Yannisastra She is still from the race of color which is BLACK!!
bjross97 9 months ago
@standforchange08 As a Greek I freely acknowledge the contributions of black people and north Africans , Racism and white supremacy did not exist in antiquity, The Greek pharaoh's after Alexander married and had children with black African princesses from Nubia and Ethiopia and in all likeliness the male line in the Ptolemy clan after a few generations probably produced sons who looked like Boris Kodjoe
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos The Ptolemaic pharaohs married their sisters as a rule. There is no evidence of any of the Ptolemies intermarrying with anyone except the descendants of Macedonian-Greeks.
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101
They had many concubines and also arranged marriages with other royalty forming *harems*, The sisters in question were often "half sisters" born from a concubine rather then the mother of the Pharaoh, Not everyone one of these brother-sister unions produced children or children healthy enough to survive long enough to inherit the throne.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
I don't even know how this " agora is an anti-christian movie " myth started, this film is about the political dangers of radicalism. If you have watched the movie, it shows intolerance from not only christians, but Pagans, jews and even in philosophy as Aristarcus's heliocentric model was ridiculed.
thePantheist 2 years ago
We, greek Polytheists, will never forget
our sister. May the Gods bless her.
MysticTV777 2 years ago 27
Today, 20/11/ 2009 ( ! ! ! ) , I have Known that in Italy, vhere I live, has been censoreded ,
tabarkin 2 years ago
What has been censored in Italy, the movie "Agora" or books on her biography?
Yannisastra 2 years ago
The movie, friend, the movie. But I don't know how many people could know something abaouti Ipazia . Not a lot, this is sure. Sorry for my english. Ciao.
tabarkin 2 years ago
Am I right to suggest that the censoring of the movie has been implemented by the Vatican?
If this is so, all I can say is that we are living in a facade democracy. That's too bad.
A question: Is the Vatican still exerting influence on Italian politics? If this question is affirmative, then about which democracy are we talking about?
Yannisastra 2 years ago
I don't Know. Really I don't know. Hola!
paiterlolo 2 years ago
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DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago
All this nonsense about the movie Agora being "censored" by the Vatican is nothing more than the usual delusion of persecution garbage coming straight from paranoid conspiracy theorists and pseudo-pagan/New Age kooky mystics. There has been a delay securing the film's distribution rights in Italy for plain and simple commercial reasons. A situation that is quite common in the film market, especially when we are talking about a movie that is not your run-of-the-mill blockbuster like this one.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 3
Or do you really believe that the Vatican has some kind of authority over the Italian film distribution industry? Mind control rays beaming from St. Peters, perhaps?
And what about The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons? Were they also censored in Italy? I guess not...
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 3
If a priest decide that 'il diavolo' ..., may be useful to control people he tell about him . But he has to show it . What's better that a very, too..,intelligent and beautiful woman ? I believe that Ipazia was the first 'whitch' in the history of our western world. After 'Ipazia',,,, the Jesus Crist religion begen to conquest all the world; it tried ...to conquest it . However...
tabarkin 2 years ago
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Wow, a little defensive? Truth can be proven, lies cannot. This is why some1 lying or spreading a lie is scared and they will call names and talk about delusions rather than just calmly discussing the facts that can be proven...then deduce the answer from the Facts. I guess if there are not mind controls rays beaming from st. peter, then the vatican must not have any influence on the information people receive...you are soo good at making points!!!! Muah!
stplghtracer 2 years ago
No sh*t, Sherlock! Did I said that the Vatican has no influence whatsoever over the catholic community?? I only stated that it doesn't have any kind of authority over the Italian film market, which is a simple and plain fact!
BTW, the film's Spanish producer already confirmed that Agora will be released in Italy next spring. So, who's lying here?
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
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Well, well well...if it's a fact as you claim, then prove it. Remember facts can be proven, lies cannot.
stplghtracer 2 years ago
Why are you asking me? I never said that the "Agora" movie has been censored by the Vatican. I just discuss this issue because there are people who say so. That's all. If it is not true, argue with them and not me.
Yannisastra 2 years ago
Just read the Constitution of the Italian Republic and also the European Union's Constitution, that might help cure your ignorance. Italy and the Vatican are two independent and separate states, therefore no film can be banned or censored in Italy because the Vatican says so!
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
Italy is a democratic country, member of the EU, where separation of churh and state is guaranteed by the Constitution. But to reduce you to complete silence, let me tell you that films considered anti-catholic like Godard's Je Vous Salue Marie, Scorsese's Last Temptation of Christ and The Da Vinci Code were all released in Italy, despite strong protest from the Church. So, as you can see the Vatican has no authority over the Italian film distribution.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
Hi, buddy from Portugal. I really don't understand what you're up to. As I said, I have no reason to question your views regarding the film Agora. I am just exchanging some thoughts with the viewers of this video. I really don't understand why you are replying questions posed by others to me.
By the way, Merry Christmas.
Yannisastra 2 years ago
What? I was replying to stplghtracer comments not yours. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you too. :)
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 2
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qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
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If One wish were granted to me, this would be to spend many year in the library of Alex, and come back to present with this knowledge. I pains my soul, the lost knowledge. Thank you for the vid it expresses this in the way I feel.
deedee2244 2 years ago
This I enjoy very much. There are some tiny flaws I would show if you care to learn them, but not so much as to change the video. Thanks for exceptional.
deedee2244 2 years ago 6
Thanks
jivefyve 2 years ago
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Magnificent!
Archhistbuff 2 years ago
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perfect !
makedonomachos 2 years ago
watch "Agora"
alvarokas 2 years ago 3
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What a beautiful tribute to My Lady.
It is sad, truly truly sad, that such a beuatiful, lovely woman was so horrifically abused, and even more sad is that her ideas nearly died with her.
We have many people to thank for the survival of her ideas, but it was she who kept the Age of Darkness at bay. And how was she repaid?
Dragged through the streets and flensed with shells. And for what?
So that Christians could get away with the robbery of the ideas of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Pagans. Fuck 'em
KyoraMishiso 2 years ago
A nice summary of her life
mondodiamante 2 years ago 3
this stupid video speak about christians as Mother therese or missionary had the blame of Hypatia death
JakimBoorVuelve 2 years ago 2
Yes christians killed her.
mrozomir 2 years ago
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Read "Ammianus Marcellinus" history books 14-19 and find out the terrible truth, hiden form the world! Hypatia, as terrible her death was, it wasn't as bad as the rest of Greeks that died in the christian concentration camps of (BETH SIAN) known to Greeks as SKYTHOPOLIS. 5* friend!
ellasAZ 2 years ago
You must be joking, right? Ammianus Marcellinus Rerum Gestarum history books cover the period between 353 and 375; Hypatia was killed in 415. So, she is never mentioned by Ammianus Marcellinus anywhere in his books!!!
For your knowledge: Socrates Scholasticus, Synesius of Cyrene and Damascius are the only near-contemporary historical sources that mention Hypatia.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
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I wasn't talking about Hypatia, I was talking about the destruction of Greece, and the killings of the church, and Hypatia had the same fate in a later time!
ellasAZ 2 years ago
@DoctorMirabilis80 Neo-pagans may be a bit flakey in their beliefs, but if you are actually arguing that Christians never persecuted or killed pagans for their beliefs then I don't know what to tell you.
astrgd27 3 weeks ago
And your assertion that Skythopolis was a kind of Christian concentration camp is just pure nonsense! Have you ever read Ammianus Marcellinus, BTW?
It seems that your understanding of History comes from some pseudo-historical garbage like The Da Vinci Code.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
What makes you think, the books you are reading, say the truth? Maybe you should check the background of these so called historians, you will be surprized to see, who you are learning history from.
ellasAZ 2 years ago
Your comments only reveal a deep ignorance about the historical method, do you know? Serious historians always check the sources they are using and always try to read them in the language in which they were originally written, when that is possible, of course. For example, I've read Ammianus Marcellinus books in Latin and I can guarantee you that Scythopolis was a place of exile and not some kind of concentration camp nonsense.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
The Arian emperor Constantius (337-361) sentenced his political enemies to be exiled there and these were pagans who conspired against him through the use of magic and sorcery, and also Orthodox Christians like the bishop Eusebius of Vercelli who spent 5 years in exile in Scythopolis.
So, stop trying to cling to myths propagated by neo-pagans and go educate yourself about the real history of this period. It's much more more rich and complex than the cartoon version you are trying to maintain.
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Your Arian Emperor was a killer influenced by his fanatic christian mother, and killed his "own blood" cause they didn't folow his beliefs. About the "magic and sorcery" you better read the book THE GREAT LIE by Kallopoulos, to show you what sorcery means, and who used it!
ellasAZ 2 years ago
I was talking about Constantius and not his father Constantine!!! Yes, their names are similar but professional historians don't confound them. And if Michael Kalopoulos is your idea of a honest and serious historian (a guy who is despised among real scholars por his ideologically motivated, radical and pseudo-historical polemics), I truly pity you.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
Now, for some true enlightenment about this historical period, you could read instead: Judaism and Hellenism - Studies of Their Encounter in Palestine; Jews, Greeks and Barbarians - Aspects of the Hellenization of Judaism in the Pre-Christian Period and Acts and the History of Earliest Christianity. All 3 books by Prof. Martin Hengel, one the greatest experts on Hellenism, Judaism and Early Christianity.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
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There is no need to read contemporary writers... Read " The True Word" by Celsus, written in 2 AD... I bet he knew things better... since he lived them...
GreekNemesis 2 years ago
Well DoctorMirabilis80 i believe you are historian but your last answer to ellasAZ was very rude.
mrozomir 2 years ago
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DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago
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If my comment seemed rude it is because I have very little patience with neo-pagans, christian creationists, Holocaust deniers, ufologists and every other kind of wacko conspiracy theorists who seek to distort history in order to suit their own agendas and ridiculous beliefs. Enough said.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 8
She got stripped and was dragged through the streets then got killed? maan..
hostclub17 2 years ago
Yes, she met a very gruesome death. But remember that it was politically motivated: Orestes, the prefect of Alexandria (a very close friend of Hypatia and a Christian) had already condemned a monk called Ammonius to be flogged to death and for that action alienated the Patriarch Cyril and the majority of the Alexandrian clergy. So, Hypatia was chosen as a kind of political scapegoat, since some members of the clergy thought that it was she who prevented Orestes from being reconciled to Cyril.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
Anyway, to make a long story short: Hypatia of Alexandria is no more a "martyr for Science and Reason" than Hippasus of Metapontum, Archimedes or Antoine-Laurent de Lavoisier. All of them were killed because of personal and political animosity, although it is reported that Fouquier de Tinville, the public prosecutor of the French Revolutionary Tribunal, dismissed one last appeal to save Lavoisier from the guillotine with the statement: "The Revolution has no need of scientists!"
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 6
Nevertheless, I suggest the author of this video to read the following books: Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths by Regine Pernoud and The Barbarian Conversion: From Paganism to Christianity by Richard Fletcher.
Note: this is real History done by real scholars and not the usual kind of fantasy pseudo-history (along with victim mentality garbage) that many neo-pagans can't seem to help themselves but indulge in.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
In respect to the "Dark Ages" that began in the Fifth Century, that was due to the Barbarian invasions and the sudden collapse of the Western Roman Empire. However, in the Eastern Roman Empire nothing like that happened : Greek Science was cherished and applied for example in the great Byzantine architecture, e.g. the monumental Hagia Sophia of Constantinople.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
As we can read in the near-contemporary historical accounts of Socrates Scholasticus (christian) and Damascius (pagan), Hypatia was killed political reasons and not because she was opposed to the Christian faith: she was a close friend of Orestes, who had put a Citrian monk called Ammonius to death, and thus Cyril's allies called for revenge and Hypatia was chosen as the scape goat. Religion had zero to do with it.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
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"Religion had zero to do with it" I don't know where you get your information but, read this: RERUM GESTARUM LIBRI XXXI
31 books, read the 19th book, and then you will see if religion had something to do with it, or not!
ellasAZ 2 years ago
@DoctorMirabilis80 Reductionism. She was killed for both religious and political reasons. If she was a Christian do you think they would have killed her?
astrgd27 3 weeks ago
II) The Patriarch Cyril of Alexandria was in no way the "father of the Christian Doctrine of the Trinity", since it can be traced back to Tertullian in the II century AD.
III) The equivalence between the death of Hypatia and the rise of Christianity which was responsible for the beggining of this supposed "dark age of ignorance" is again pure myth!
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
I'm very sorry to say this (since the author is obviously well-intentioned) but what a piece of pseudo-historical gibberish this video is!!!
As an historian specialized in Antiquity and Early Middles Ages I'm just baffled by the number of historical errors contained in this video.
I) The City of Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great not in 322 b.C. (he was already dead by this time), but in 331 b.C., nine years earlier.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 6
DoctorMirabilis80 you are historian? Then Τίς, πόδεν εί̃ς άνδρω̃ν, πόδι τοι πόλις ήδέ τοχη̃̃ες. I think every Hypatia fan have enough of your anonymous rude comments...
mrozomir 2 years ago
"τοιγὰρ ἐγώ τοι, ξεῖνε, μάλ᾽ ἀτρεκέως ἀγορεύσω. μήτηρ μέν τέ μέ φησι τοῦ ἔμμεναι, αὐτὰρ ἐγώ γε
οὐκ οἶδ᾽· οὐ γάρ πώ τις ἑὸν γόνον αὐτὸς ἀνέγνω. ὡς δὴ ἐγώ γ᾽ ὄφελον μάκαρός νύ τευ ἔμμεναι υἱὸς ἀνέρος, ὃν κτεάτεσσιν ἑοῖς ἔπι γῆρας ἔτετμε.
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 4
Yes, I read the Odyssey in Ancient Greek a few years ago. Now, in respect to my "anonymous rude comments" I really don't know what are you talking about. As a serious and honest historian (which I am), I just pointed out some of the obvious historical errors contained in this video. So, please tell me what's so rude about that?
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 6
But in case you are in doubt, here it goes: I have a master's degree in Ancient and Medieval History from the University of Coimbra, Portugal.
BTW, this university is one of the oldest in Europe, being founded by King Dinis I back in 1290, during those terrible and illiterate "Dark Ages".
DoctorMirabilis80 2 years ago 5
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Extraordinary video! The most educational video I have seen on YouTube. There should be more like it. The must was wonderful. Thank you for putting up the name and composer of the piece. So sad that the human race has lost so much progress due to closed-minded people. They have always existed and still exist now! They keep all of us from moving forward toward a better world.
Neelinus 2 years ago
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Her name should be more prevalent in history. Religion is like a mind virus....most especially Western, mysogonistic, oppressive, religion.
As you said, may reason prevail.
blaziermissy 2 years ago
Amazing!
JackGBowman 2 years ago 3
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Brilliant!!!
DeusXLMII 2 years ago
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Stop Theocracy,
Now!!
DeusXLMII 2 years ago
Very awesome.If i ever have a daughter i am naming her hypatia
bosmer26 2 years ago 9
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TheNightsMistress 2 years ago
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What's going on with these comments? Can valuating of comments be switched off?
mrozomir 2 years ago
I really do not understand it. How can comments be switched off?
Yannisastra 2 years ago
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Nearlly every comment except jeanguitton80 have rates set under zero. Can you Yannisastra do something with this?
mrozomir 2 years ago