Tricky Korean Pronunciation 소녀시대 vs. 소뎌시대

[Shannosurprano]

For the past year I have been watching your videos, and they helped me a lot in learning Korean... SNSD is what made me want to learn Korean, so I can understand what they were saying in their vids... 정말 감사합니다

[kkeeii13]

Because of 소녀시대, I had the inspiration and will to learn Korean. Of course through BusyAtomdotcom! He has the most reliable and comprehensive lectures. So, 너무 감사합니다!

[BusyAtomdotcom]

@kkeeii13 Haha, seems like SNSD inspires a lot of people including me^__^.

[BusyAtomdotcom]

@kkeeii13 Because of 소녀시대 - especially 'GEE', I almost wanted to sing and dance^__^.

[kkeeii13]

@BusyAtomdotcom Absolutely! I also like Gee. It's so cute and catchy. But my favorite has to be Run Devil Run! Wait, I just can't believe I'm spazzing about 소녀시대 with you sir! Hehe

[Henry3838]

@kkeeii13 Same here! I was also inspired by 소녀시대! 산생님, 감사합니다!

[KakuPL]

소녀시대 is the first phrase i learned in korean :D

[sonyushide]

yes they are indeed famous! a lot of sones not familiar with korean language like me, try to learn by watching tutorial videos like this! aigoo wherever i go they never seem to stop haunting me (or is it the other way around) :) taeyeon ah!!!

[momusufanivan5]

Well when you pronounce these two in the video, professor, I can tell perfectly the difference. But anyway I keep hearing "DE" when korean people say "yes", which is suppossed to be "네". Same happens with some words that have a ㅁ at the beginning such as 뭐, 물 which most of the times sound to me closer to BWO and BUL, rather than MWO or MUL. I guess it's a matter of spoken language when it is pronounced really fast and impossible to explain in a video like this.

[BusyAtomdotcom]

@momusufanivan5 I guess you are right. The only way that I can tell the difference between "P" and "F" when someone is talking to me from the distance and fast is by the CONTEXT^__^.

[lorenzomjp]

and about the pachims?they r a kind troublesome...

[pyrofriendflame000]

SNSD are the reason I decided to learn Korean ^^.

감사합니다~!

[afpfernando]

i love so nyeo shi dae..i love sunny most..

[lamilami1]

isn't 네 the formal way the say yes and 데 the informal way

i heard it in a radio show he was saying dae and the host told him to talk formally so he said nae

And if we write 냬it means my and if we write it 네 it means yes

another question is it always ᄂ+리 = lni sound ?

논리 means logic but 이치린 means logic too no?

thank uu sooo muuuch

[nointentesentenderme]

me encanta su voz¡

[koreanfan1995]

소녀시대 is the name of my favourite band ^-^

[xbaybiieglamax5]

hahaa~ SNSD!

[Beler0f0ntes]

"sounyoshite/ soutyoshite " what does it mean ?

[BusyAtomdotcom]

@Beler0f0ntes

소녀 means 'a girl in age range between (maybe) 12 ~ 17 years old - basically teenager'

시대 means 'era, or generation (in a sense of 'generation' gap), times, period, and so on.

So, 소녀시대 all together can be translated as 'Girls' generation' and happen to be a very popular Korean girls' pop group. Type SNSD in YouTube, you will be amazed.

[Beler0f0ntes]

Yeah i took a look pretty girls pretty songs.

[sweetTaeng09]

SNSD.... hehe.. nice...

[Jon747]

Actually English alphabet can't express or do pronunciation for "녀" English alphabet sux that's why Korean pronunciation is very difficult cause the spelling is not phonetic

[lucile1010]

nyeo or neo will do for 녀

[CANDYJAEJOONG]

haha xD

I LOve SO NYEo SHi DAe!!~

[SasuShikalover2008]

Can some one tell me the difference between 세 - ㅅ and 대 - the "D" sound. I get confused with those.

[caldevera]

@SasuShikalover2008 ㅅ sounds like an "s", so 세 is "se" or "seh" (Except when it's시 then it becomes "shi" or "shee" but other than that, it's "s". 대 is pronounced "de" but romanized as "dae" (same pronunciation practically). ㄷ is more like a "d" when it's at the beginning of a syllable while it's more of a "t" sound when at the end of a syllable. Hope I helped :)

[sirfat25138]

i don't think its the pronunciation, but the shape or figure of the the letter "n" and "d", but i got a question, whats the difference in the sound of (i don't have the korean language plug in so im going to type it in romanization) "oe" or just "e" (from ne) and "ae" (from dae)

[finkledo]

......complaints (people harassing others, can't see well from assigned area, want to talk to my supervisor), medical issues (feel light headed, need a medic, call ambulance), concessions (asking what kind of food is available), directing people and telling them what section they are in.

Sorry about the long post :(

Thanks

~앤디

[finkledo]

Your teaching has proved to be very useful where I work. However, since I'm the only employee at my job who posses "some" korean knowledge, it's pretty tough handling situations where I can't understand issues with seating, lost items, event dates, medical issues, etc.

If you have time, could you please make a video about "common questions" Koreans ask when they go watch concerts at stadiums regarding ticket issues (seating, directing them into sections, aisle ways,)........

[yulo14]

SNSD haha.. i love jesica and yuri

[auesr]

so 시 is more like shi than si.(referred to pinyin)

[Quangi17]

yheea so nyuh shi dae :D!!

[game2heart]

I LOVE SNSD! So nyuh shi dae!

[sidjtd]

Interesting... so this workshop is basically targetted for those folks who cant tall the difference between D's, T's, and N and L/R sounds?

[sidjtd]

I am confused, why are you comparing N words and D words that don't actually exist?

[jkrdsr]

Look at what alveolar consonants are.

ㄴㄷㄸㅌㄹ

These five are derived from ㄴ.

[mnwalke]

I think a big part of the problem is that learners of Korean don't learn Hangeul first. It is much easier to understand spoken Korean if you have some idea of how it is written.

[BusyAtomdotcom]

Thank you for the insight. I guess I should emphasize more on 'Korean Alphabet - Hangeul'

감사합니다.

[mnwalke]

I taught English in Korea for a while, and I learned some Korean while I was there.  I learned to read Hangeul before I learned anything else.

"안녕하세요? 저는 마이클 입니다. 저는 영어선생님 이에요. (학생 이름) 지금 있어요?"

[truazin]

so nuyh shi dae jjang !

[Hikarij]

haha another reference to the music industry XD SNSD FIGHTING!!

mm i always wonder why ㄴ sounds like ㄷ in some cases.. and in others it is obviously ㄴ.

yea i guess if they are saying it fast they sound the same.. cause both are pronounced the same way in the mouth (sounds weird but. lol)

감사합니다!

[KoreanSimplyPut]

LOL okay I think I figured it out because at one time it frustrated me as well.

I guess you've been to a store and the 아줌마 there gives you a big 네 (did she say 데?)! or in a drama they say 미안해 (did she say 비안해?).

The thing I've realized is, first you have to use common sense (... :( I'm no good at that) and you have to listen for aspiration. 데 would sound almost like 테 and 비 like 피. 네 on the other hand, has NO air, same with 미.

Hope you get that :) good luck!

[chiuichiui]

I think their language has different nasal sounds. Some of these sounds become voiced stop consonants. Um, like the 'd' sound ㄷ. So sometimes it gets confusing and tricky. :)

[mercedezxle]

i have a question how do you know when to pronounce ㅅ as s and as sh ?!

[BusyAtomdotcom]

When 'ㅅ' is placed at an INITIAL consonant and INITIAL syllable position, it tends to have 'sh' sound too. But when and doubt 's' will do it^__^.

감사합니다.

[mercedezxle]

whats an initial consonant and syllable position ?

[BusyAtomdotcom]

For example 'ㅅ' in '소-녀' is at initial consonant and initial syllable. But 'ㅅ' in '깨-소-금' is at initial consonant but at the second syllable.

And 'ㅅ' in '옷-장' is at ending consonant and initial syllable position.

[mercedezxle]

thank you so much (:

[h0rangi]

in front of 'ㅣ'

ㅅ+ㅣ = 시 = shi

시대 - shi-dae - era, period of time

여신 - yeo-shin - goddess

신발 - shin-bal - shoe

쉬다 - shwi-da - (shi-da) - to rest

쉽다 - shwip-da (ship-da) - to be easy

[lamilami1]

@h0rangi is it aways 시 = shi even with a "ᅮ " so 쉬= shi not shwi

[h0rangi]

@lamilami1 well im not clear on the correct romanization but the pronunciation is definitely shi yes

ah i just noticed what you asked above, 데? absolutely not. it's 네 but kinda sounds like 데. wasn't he saying

어 그래 어어어어어어어 그래 이 새꺄 그래

?

[lamilami1]

@h0rangi i didn't quite understand "어 그래 어어어어어어어 그래 이 새꺄 그래"

i'm still beginner

were u aswearing me about this question:

is it always ᄂ+리 = lni sound ?

논리 means logic but 이치린 means logic too no?

anyway thank u a looooot for rreplying

[h0rangi]

@lamilami1

어 is a very informal way of saying 'yes'

어어어어어 yeah yeah yeah 그래 ok

이 새꺄 < you son of a..............it's swearing

이 - this 새끼 - baby animal.......

새꺄 - 새끼야 said quickly.

이야/야 is an informal way to say '이다'

이것이 무엇입니까? 이게 뭐예요? 이게 뭐야? all the same but different levels of formality.

열심히 공부하세요~

[lamilami1]

@h0rangi @h0rangi 이것이 무엇입니까? 이게 뭐예요? 이게 뭐야? all the same but different levels of formality but to say what ? don't really undertand

열심히 공부하세요 means work hard ? XD

[tokee1234567]

@lamilami1

열심히 공부하세요 - study hard! (공부 means "study" as a noun and "to study" as a verb)

what? 뭐? - muo (if your friend says something shocking then you respond like that)

[47keiyar47]

it seems like there are a lot of filipinos trying to learn korean because of the Korean dramas being aired here in the philippines!! hehehe..

i'm one of them!

[mayrabel1]

really thx, it was funny but I can distinguish between ㄴ, ㄷ and i'm a beginner... thx again :)

[BusyAtomdotcom]

That's great!!! More power to you.

감사합니다.

[suzana1993]

ahhh i LOVE SNSD!! FIGHTING!!

[BusyAtomdotcom]

Can't argue with that!!! They are great!

[mack36]

I only love Im Yoona of SNSD. lol. I love Younha more xD I think she's more talented.

[BusyAtomdotcom]

Younha seems to be really talented and gifted singer^__^.

[tangchihsia]

ㄴ, ㄷare very similar linguistically; they have the same place of articulation. They are only different in terms of their articulation cavity. ㄴ is nasal but ㄷ is oral. ㅂ/ㅁ, ㄱ/ㅇ share the same feature as ㄷ/ㄴ; the precedings are oral and the followings are nasal

[BusyAtomdotcom]

As always, thank you for providing great insight!

It seems that human's sounding mechanism is more complicated that any other musical instruments^__^.

Cheers!

[Kizeira]

How similar IS Korean to Chinese (and which Chinese language, exactly)? I know you mentioned something about the second number system in Korean being more or less derived from Chinese, but what about the rest of the language?

[BusyAtomdotcom]

I am not sure about which Chinese language but great portions of Korean and Japanese words have Chinese origins. For example 소녀시대 = 少女時代.

[mack36]

That's what I've thought. In Korean you have "Hanja" which are Chinese characters right? While "Kanji" is the term in Japanese. In Korean do you always use "hanja"? I've been seeing alot of Korean sign boards here in Philippines mostly Clubs and Bars in Malate and Makati City area. And All of them are written in Hangul.

[lindafay1]

In North Korea hanja isn't used at all (though it's still taught), in South Korea it is used some but it is dying out (school children used to learn much more than the 1,800 hanja they learn now). Signs seem to normally be written in hangul. If I remember correctly, it's mainly used in literature and newspapers to abbreviate.

[lindafay1]

I love SNSD! xD Great video. When said fast its kinda hard to tell @_@

[BusyAtomdotcom]

Yes, even to native Korean it will be difficult to tell when said fast. So, if somebody says too fast, please ask him or her to slow down.

Could you speak slowly? = 천천히 말씀해 주세요.

[47keiyar47]

is ne and ye is still same for yes in korea??

[BusyAtomdotcom]

Yes, Ne and Ye are pretty much interchangeable for 'yes'.