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@survivalist68 Get the most powerful inverter you can afford if you plan to expand your system. in the future. Specs on the kit call for a minimum 300 watt inverter.
@survivalist68 For now I am going to use a couple car batteries to give them a test drive and experiment with the technology. I will probably later get deep cycles for the battery bank if I expand or build a larger system.
@bind1967 I went ahead and talked to an electrician. He said to use only 12 gauge extension wire under 50 feet or better yet use 10 gauge extension wire with this system to maintain best current and I went ahead and bought HF's 1000 watt system because I was told the motors only run when needed. GOOD Luck and thanks again.
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i test my solar panel with a multimeter and it show 18-20v but when i connect with the charge regulator it show only 12-14v.. did my regular have any problem?
i test my solar panel with a multimeter and it show 18-20v but when i connect with the charge regulator it show only 12-14v.. did my regular have any problem?
Question about the batteries..... two 6 volt batteries wired in Series will equal the 12 volts needed for the inverter. 6 volt batteries have a higher Amp Hour rating than 12 volt batteries. 6 volt golf cart batteries are favored due to them being "true deep cycle batteries". I see other 6 volt batteries with higher amp hour ratings that are made for industrial floor sweepers. Do you think these would also work? Ort stick to golf cart batteries?
If I get a solar panel consists 36 3x6" cells which produce 0.5v, 3.6amps and 1.8 watts each (Which will be total 17v and 60watts)
I need 12 volts DC to charge a battery right? and a battery gives 12 volts AC to the inverter which it converts in 500watts or whatever it's capable of.
Can I give DC 12v to inverter (Directly through inverter's + and - Terminals) to create 500w or not?
@layfon77777 You can't get 500w from 60w... A 12V battery needs a source about 20% higher (15-16v) to charge it. A Solar Panel will produce 17-22V with NOTHING connected to it. Connect a Battery and it will bring voltage down to 12-13 and steadily increase as the battery absorbs the electrons.
A 60W panel will NOT power an inverter directly. You would have to add capacitors (capacitance) which is what a battery is really. I hope that helps. PM if you need help.
I started with Harbor Freight Solar Also - But regular panels are a better value and work better. I just bought some more - I found the best prices from a company called Solar Penny SolarPenny on the website check them out before you waste money on the HF panels. Give them a call and they will sell you products that will make you want to throw away your harbor panels away.
Hey Dan! Is it possible to add (stack) extra solar kits (2 or more) and attach them to (1) one 12v battery (or bank) to decrease the charging time and increase the amps/watts (i.e.from 2 hours to 1 hour of charging time, or from 6 amps/watts to 12), or will the voltage change to 24v once you added more then one kit? Thanks!
@lamartosh - Hi- Vids are great BUT If you had problems with your plumbing you wouldn't go to plumbing school first and then have a go at fixing it yourself - you would get a properly 'qualified' plumber. Same applies to Solar Panels- you need MCS and NAPIT certificates to plug anything in to the Grid - top price £13,000 for a 22 panels system to meet a household's energu needs. Good news- the UK government will pay you 9% on the cost (£13,000) for the next 25yrs for a quote josi.kane@gmail.com
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people. You will see what I mean when you read the first page.
Just to makes thing a little better try putting a mirror next to the solar panels and reflect more light..., toward s the center. You will just about almost double the output easily.
Great work you two! Keep up the education of others, this is great to show how much we could run without the big companies. I watched a lot of your videos and can only say keep it up because i learned quite a bit from you guys.
#1of#2) 2 the guy asking about how many batteries/it depends on ow you wire them/if u do it on series or parallel/u can have a shitload and still maintain your 12/24 volt you wanted.& 2 the guy who says this isn't worth it/i pay $150w/coupon& also use a generator which backfeeds power into my whole shop-
Well some people just don't understand harbor freight! You wait until you get a coupon like I have for this system/i can get it for $150 & that's what u do w/harbor freight/they put everything on sale b/c they have sales every month/u just wait until what u want is on sale/or find someone with a coupon like me/buy it from them...shhhh.
Can you please tell me what the advantage of a 24Volt system is compared to a 12 Volt system? My output has to be 220 Volt AC cause i live in Europe. Greetings Tom
@FUNNYTOM10 DC or AC doestn't matter. The power (energy) you use is measured in watts. 1 Volt x 1 Amp = 1 watt. So at 12 V you would use 20 times the amps then you would in a 240 Volt to get the same watts. At 24 Volts it is only 10 times the current. The only advantage to using the higher 24 volts is less current so you can use smaller size of the expensive wire and get less line loss. The more current you try to squeeze though the same wire size the more line loss,
@FUNNYTOM10, higher voltage is used because it's more efficient to transport over long distances. Over short distance I don't think it would matter. What your concerned with is having enough watts to work with and being able to invert it to a usable voltage.
Green energy is quickly becoming essential for sustaining mankind. When people learn the truth they will realize we cannot survive without it. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says.
Dan, great videos. I got one of these but the instructions are not very clear. If I have them charging a 12V battery, can I run electronic devices from the charge controller box that come with the panels at night? Or is the flow from the charge controller to the battery a one way road so to speak?
@AJS0121 the point of the charge controller is to just charge the battery and not let any electricity out. to draw power out at night you will have to dettach the controller and panels or connect an inverter seperately in addition to the controller to the battery leads. however you should never attach a panel directly to the battery since it can mess up the panel and/or battery.
@KevinRobots: Thanks for the info. I didn't use the HF charge controller in my set up but, since the outlets in the HF controller will only run off of solar, they are not very useful. Especially those nice little CFL lights. I went with a simple 75 ah deep cycle marine battery with an on/off toggle to a 12v DC out. The kit I built has an inverter in it for those items. The HF panels did splice together nice into a male DC plug for a simple plug and charge to my solar generator.
Dan, I have been watching and learning from your videos, will order some fresnel lenses off your ebay sales next month. I have solar systems on two trailers, one a camper the other a mobile contractor office/workshop. Something that conserns me is the panels being vulnerable to hail damage. How tough do you think the HF panels are in standing up to foul weather? Would clear lexan covers help wit maybe an inch or two of standoff or would that cause panels to heat up and lose efficiency?
hello. i wanted to ask you because you seem to know a good bit about this system. ok i want to know what i need to do to add more batt to my bank. now i dont have all my stuff yet but am just getting started. and i see lots of people have two batt hooked up. can this system from H/F charge more then two 12v batts??? you can give me some math tips so help me find out how manny batts i can charge. or do i need more panales, and can i just add them to this charger. thanks for all your help
this solar panel. does it work during winter were there is no sun at all. trying to get into solar power but still not sure. from what i think it only work if there is sun only. tell u help me.
nice work. Most people think using electric based units instead of flamable resources is 'being green' . That's why they go off and buy electric powered cars and so on but most of the electric we use all over the world is generated by burning same resources that these people got away from in the first place. Unfortunately they look like twats now but with designs like this should help their reputation.
Lets see you paid $230 for a 45 watt panel system or roughly $5.11 per watt. If you are lucky enough to have sunlight 6hrs a day 365 days a year and assuming no rain, snow, all sunlight which is impossible but for example, you would get 98.55 kw for the entire year for $230 I would have paid $11.86 for the same 98.55kw sun or not. It would take roughly 20yrs to break even assuming no maintenance or repairs which is also impossible. This is a suckers game till the cost is below 80 cent a watt.
Nice toy. Now let's do some math: Roughly figured, this 45 watt system might create about 7 to 10 KWH of electricity per month where i live. At the rates we pay for line power, it would take about 306 months, or 25 years, to break even -- without figuring interest over the 25 years. And that's assuming that these panels stay at peak efficiency for the whole 25 years, which we all should know they do not do.
@VAspeed3 and what do you think we would be paying for electricity in 25 years? I say with inflation, they should pay for themselves in far less. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.
@Lanny615 Well, I don't know what electricity will cost in 25 years, nor does anyone else, but what does that have to do with PV panels you buy NOW? If you just want them because they are a cool toy, more power to you, but don't fool yourself into thinking you've made anything other than an irrational purchase.
@VAspeed3 my little system runs my lights, we have frequent power outages in Jamaica so im never without lights in the house. Whenever we have a hurricane or storm, i still got lights and other things working. I cant wait to upgrade till my whole house runs on solar/wind. My cool toy is my little trail bike...lol
@Lanny615 I understand; I'm glad it works for you. 45 watts won't even begin to do me any good here.
What can you run besides a light or two on 45 watts? You must have it charging a battery, since, even in Jamaica, the sun presumably does not shine at night when you actually need the lights to work.
The lights are so that you can illuminate the deep shadow behind the solar panel and still see what you're doing and not get tanned :o). Better than most vids but you need to clean the connections so that the lamps stay on and go up/down with the other loads. Try getting a script and timing it. And get your figures Accurate. You didn't mention the motion of the Sun and many other detracting factors. And you May not have a complete understanding of the subject, which comes across in your video.
Ok, so if you have 15 of those batteries can you charge them all with those three cells? with the same inverter for how long can it power up a freezer, and a refrigerator? I'm asking because I have a house in the Caribbean the following appliances and want go power independent.
if you live in a small town get everyone involved in a project to get your town of grid
it's very much cheeper and achivable that way you only need 900000 for a 1mw
wind turbine that will power 3000 homes divide 900000 by 3000 and tell me that's not cost effective WERE BEING BRAIN WASHED AND CONNED DO SOMTHING ABOUT IT FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR CHILDREN WHO WILL STILL BE HERE WHEN WERE GONE
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Dan, my question is if I buy the habor freight kit like in the video I am wondering if the charge controller can stay connected to the battery all the time? I have an RV on my property that is not used for a few weeks at a time and This might be a way to keep my batteries in it good when I am away. Hauling a generator to the woods every time is getting old.......Thoughts?
ook i like your video but how many panels do i need for a refrigerator , three air conditioner, 3 tv, 2 computers and 10 bulbs.. or how many batteries , i'm trying to live wwithout the energy of the company
I have seen you video, and really appreciate for this. I will be very much obliged to you, if you kindly help me to know - what do I need for 1(one) Kw system for my house. Kindly note I am living in Karachi, Pakistan.
Can you digitally store solar power on something like a Blu-ray disc solar panel? If an adaptable laser could activate solar energy stored inside tiny cells, you'd have panel that could hold solar power for a longer time.
Good stuff I am looking at 4.1kw system installed on my home with18- 200watt panels at 21.5% efficient .System cost is around $33,000 USD kinda expensive but everything in Japan cost more.The Electric company will buy back at 50 cents a kilowatt under a 10 year contract .We pull about 3500kilowatts a month(heaters are electric and under charge at night for 2 cents per kilowatt) .So do you think it is worth it.? Thanks and I love the videos keep em going.
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Dark Secrets they DON'T tell you .. do a Google of “Toxic waste of solar” or “Toxic Waste of PV sf6”.
yah but by all of you arguing nothing gets done an knowone gets anywhere.
your "point" means shit. its the big picture that everyone fails to help.
BTW do you know how u win wars. YOU DONT FIGHT. history repeats its self.
look at what we r doing right now. an then look at the crusades.
I WANT YOU TO GET MAD WHEN YOU READ THIS, hows your plastic bubble treating you. do you feel satisfied with your life. i want you to look around at this shit world, you chose to create.
@monkey911t Exactly but thats the point,because folk are brainwashed into there divided opinions about these things. socitey does not want free thinking people, they are bad for profit and control,
confusion is the modern weapon, information is the new way to control and confuse fill people with too
much that they can't seperate fact from fiction anymore.
But there's an easy way out and many are realizing the obviousness of the solution it just requires a global
So it was the other day when Edison decieded to change out an inline transformer and my neighbor was out of power for 4 hours. I was playing video games the entire time, of course i have a bank of 6 batteries that supplied me with the power but while he was trying to figure out what to do for 4 hours i enjoyed playing games. Yes it is a great idea to have a back-up power supply...
Solar power is the future, a single good investment on a top of the line grid tied solar system will last produce electricity for 30+ years. The PV solar system will pay itself in around 7 to 10 years depending on the size of the system.
I live in Texas and summer will be here soon ( HOT)...what would it take to run a 110 ac window unit?...I'm sure you know by my question I am new to solar. Really enjoy your videos.
@99999999988888888333 Don't be so ignorant, it's and investment and a smart one at that. How about light a few rooms in your house for FREE for the next 25 years? Sure its only a 45 watt panel but with the money you save you can buy more/bigger ones and eventually say goodbye to your power bill all-together. Not only that, your lowering your energy footprint and helping the environment.
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take those panels and put them in the basement.first you take a parabolic solar concentrator and put an robotic arm on it to follow the suns path.then make the focal point a mirrored shape cone that will send the light down through mirrored glass tubing straight into a mirrored shape glass box inside the mirrored shape box will be several solar panels that spin to keep them cool the mirrored box must have the mirrors inward to reflect the light sending from the parabolic focal point.ken van horn
@Abnermoon I know its been 2yrs since this post...But I was wondering, did you ever get this to work right? Also, if you did...what kind of voltage are you putting out??
Ho imp da 4,05 kwp , circa 6000 kw anno, scontento del nuovo SCAMBIO SUL POSTO , pago prestito e bollette salate , immesso più di 2000 kw , nessun rimborso, ho fatto strappare il contratto a mia figlia , dopo tutto questo ha deciso di non farlo, CONVIENE SOLO SE E KW per KW , utenti ed install. dovrem lavorare insieme per tornare al vecchi sistema, sto pensando di caricare un video per demotivare , sono ecologista , ho costruito una casa ecologica ma?? cerca su youtube "mauronigro"
John Bedini on his website is selling a solar charger that picks up the higer frequency energy put out by solar panels that can double the output of the solar panel. I think the site is "icehouse" something.
Thanks for posting this information. I believe so much that solar power is the future of our society that I wrote a song about it, Sun Power Me, by Ben Sage. Please give it a listen when you can.
What a great idea! Spend over $200 so that you can be out in the bright sun and run 2 5-watt CF lights! The price of solar HAS to come down before it's anything more than an expensive toy.
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE .... they've paid for themselves? in two years? dunno what you lot pay over there in the states but over here in AUS power is only 19.4c/Kwhr... they make 45watts ie: 0.045Kw per hour for around 6 hrs a day of FULL sunlight which works out to about $1.62 per month. hasn't even paid for one of the three panels yet, let alone the inverter or the battery.
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE what I'd really like to know from all you lot peddling these solar panel roughts is... is the carbon cost of producing a solar panel negated in the amount of power it produces/saves over its twenty year lifespan? (forgetting of course that the coal is still burning regardless) This is not a yes or no question
Hello sir , i what to put a photovoltaic system on my apartment building along with the other residence , what do we need beside the panels an the suport system in the way of electronics and maintence.Thank you.
@christo930 200$ for panels which will last approximately 15-20 years, generating approximately 80 KW hours a year, given current prices (which is unlikely if anything prices will rise in future) it will pay for itself in about 10 years or less depending on local prices.. We'll u also get piece of mind of having electricity off grid even if its just 45 watts.. Larger panels, price is even more competitive and u pay it off even shorter.. Solar is already here..
@christo930 365 days a year, 5 hours of usable sunshine at maximum capacity per day on average, 25 cents per kilowatt hour price, works out to generating 20 dollars worth of electricity per year, thus 10 years or less depending on many variables. Sure u can argue u might not get full sun 365, i can also point out that in 10 years electricity prices will rise.. so it all works out in end..
Also as technology marches on, solar panels will drop in prices, so the numbers become even better.
@ddnguyen278 In my area electricity is only about .09kw/r and there would be nowhere near 300, let alone 365 days of sunshine (it's actually 93 according to worldfacts, seems low to me though). I live on the 40th latitude (Philadelphia) so I get fewer hours of sunlight during the winter, but more during the summer. Solar might be the future, but it's not the present. It's just too intermittent and too expensive.
@christo930 Fair enough, I'm in California and we get about 200+ days of sun and about 5 hours of sunlight on average, electricity is about 15 cents per kilowatt here. I took the average price i found off the Internet (which ranged from 10 cents to 50 cents). Solar might not be for you but surely you can agree there are people who live in the right climate to benefit from it (ie those living near equator with lots of sun, like those in south west..), and for them solar is already viable.
@ddnguyen278 Then why does it need subsidies? If solar was a good deal it wouldn't need tax subsidies to make it affordable. You also need to take 2 other things into consideration
1) Financing cost if you finance
2) If you pay in full up front, what return could you have gotten on that money had you invested it instead
I don't know about California, but we do get hail occasionally and it seems to me that hail can damage the panels. I think a breakthrough is coming though.
@christo930 If you ask me, the real value of solar energy is large scale (commercial) solar thermal electric generation Because heat can be retained better than electricity stored, solar thermal electric is much less intermittent and uses conventional generators with high efficiencies. THe only difference is the source of heat which in this case is solar. Home solar thermal can also be good to cut down on your hot water bills and is much cheaper because there is no electronics or batteries.
@christo930 Same reason why we subsidize gasoline and other energy, to promote consumer usage and spur investment. It's no conspiracy or surprise, the government want to move away from foreign sources of energy and solar and other renewable are an option.
Technology marches on, sure solar 20 years ago was not competitive but we're getting new thin film and high volume production which is lowering the cost dramatically.. Hail damage is an issue, but new thin films are more resilient.
@ddnguyen278 Gasoline is not subsidized, it is heavily taxed at both the state and federal level. I am not talking about subsidizing research, I am talking about subsidizing individuals who put up solar panels on their home. Without the gov subsidies, solar panels simply wouldn't be worth it and that is in ca where tiered energy bills make solar more economical because the first 500kw are the cheapest and each subsequent KW is more expensive, so if you can get rid of the last KW you can save $.
@christo930 Actually the true price of gas isn't reflected at retail, it's heavily subsided through tax breaks to oil companies and the cost of expensive military campaigns to secure its source. We can disagree about that but I don't were in the middle east to promote democracy.
I'm not gonna continue this conversation, i made my points, government wants to promote renewables that's why you get tax breaks, solar is getting cheaper, its a good idea for people who live in southern climates..etc
@ddnguyen278 Most of our oil doesn't come from the middle east, but I do agree that our military does affect the worldwide price of oil so in a way it is subsidized, but then it's taxed at the federal and state level and it's illegal for gas stations to tell you how much of the price is tax. Realistically, the govs of the world have distorted the price, who knows what a free market price would be. OTOH, oil and NG are both feedstocks to solar panels so that is a subsidy.
@Gilbs2211 Well, how much are they? These small solar panels might be useful in certain situations, but they are NOT economically viable where electricity is regularly available. Like they might be useful in some research where you need to put sensors that need electricity in a very remote location or other highly specialized uses. But for any type of home project, they are an energy sink.
@christo930 w w w .harborfreight . com/45-watt-solar-panel-kit-90599 . html For the kit.
You're right, this kit is not going to take you off the grid but is perfect for those certain situations. Currently, there is no cheap way to get off the grid. To fully get off the grid, or to even have the grid pay you, you'll have to drop thousands of dollars and will definitely take a few years to pay for itself.
@christo930 yea the point though is that if everybody starts investing in small scale solar & wind projects it will create a massive boom in the industry big boom = lower prices, you don't have to be a genius of ecomomics to work out the effect this will have on a very much needed industry. an industry that MUST grow and become cheaper. £800 in england will buy you 1 250w panel i bought 2 even though i know it's expensive and over priced at the moment, but that runs all the lighting in our
@spick1923 It's not like photovoltaics are anything new. THey have had many decades now to make them cheaper and more efficient and they simply haven't caught on. This technology is interesting, but it is nowhere near ready for prime-time.
@christo930 Thats the point they have been available for years have you questioned why they have not been made cheaper and more efficient sooner?
Oil and profit.
the world is sadly treated as one giant buisness and it's number one commodite is you and me the consumer, energy is sold to us per unit at huge profit margins same with fuel.
a lot of people use solar energy to power there whole houses how more prime do you want?
@spick1923 The profit motive exists in photovoltaics too you know. It takes a great deal of energy to make them and they use silver among other expensive minerals and are difficult to mass produce, add that up with terrible efficiency and you get an interesting technology, but not for mass production. THere has to be fundamental changes to PV before it can compete with other energy sources. The oil industry wouldn't be effected by PV because oil isn't used to generate electricity.
@christo930 house, great. But the biggest and most important reason to buy ANY sustainable energy project you can possibly afford is, that at the moment the energy companies have a strangle hold on the whole world
and will not support sustainable energy, and actually try and prevent it from becoming viable, becuase the energy and Fuel oil they sell they sell at HUGE profit this a totally unacceptable situation that people all over the world must become aware of and do something about
@spick1923 What do you have against profit? Are you a marxist or something? The profit motive is what lifts living standards, makes people healthy and live longer and generally make our lives better. Oil, gas and coal have done more to make our lives better than anything in history. Follow a world population curve and matches completely with fossil fuels. As oil depletes and gets more expensive, the PROFIT motive will drive new technology and substitutions. Profit is a good thing (as is loss)
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BlackFelipe8518 1 week ago
Hey thanks for your videos. Just bought the kit from HF. Would you get the 1000 watt inverter from HF or Northern tool?
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@survivalist68 Get the most powerful inverter you can afford if you plan to expand your system. in the future. Specs on the kit call for a minimum 300 watt inverter.
bind1967 1 week ago
they are selling 45 watt solar panel kits right now for $149.00 with the coupon code '56854919' at harbor freight
bind1967 1 week ago
@bind1967 Thank you for the coupon code!!!!
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@survivalist68 you are welcome .. i got 2 of them to try out :)
bind1967 1 week ago
@bind1967 Let me know what deep cycle batteries you choose by cost too. I liked Sam's price.
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@survivalist68 For now I am going to use a couple car batteries to give them a test drive and experiment with the technology. I will probably later get deep cycles for the battery bank if I expand or build a larger system.
bind1967 1 week ago
@bind1967 I went ahead and talked to an electrician. He said to use only 12 gauge extension wire under 50 feet or better yet use 10 gauge extension wire with this system to maintain best current and I went ahead and bought HF's 1000 watt system because I was told the motors only run when needed. GOOD Luck and thanks again.
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i test my solar panel with a multimeter and it show 18-20v but when i connect with the charge regulator it show only 12-14v.. did my regular have any problem?
omegakingdomg 2 months ago
i test my solar panel with a multimeter and it show 18-20v but when i connect with the charge regulator it show only 12-14v.. did my regular have any problem?
SOUTHERN9225520 2 months ago
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badass
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dieselplow 3 months ago
Could I power a portable air conditioner with this? The AC unit uses 900wats and 115v
ZX9RinHollywood 4 months ago
Question about the batteries..... two 6 volt batteries wired in Series will equal the 12 volts needed for the inverter. 6 volt batteries have a higher Amp Hour rating than 12 volt batteries. 6 volt golf cart batteries are favored due to them being "true deep cycle batteries". I see other 6 volt batteries with higher amp hour ratings that are made for industrial floor sweepers. Do you think these would also work? Ort stick to golf cart batteries?
JoeRnCT 4 months ago
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simplistiksoftware 4 months ago
I loved this but
Can I create 500w from 60w solar panel?
If I get a solar panel consists 36 3x6" cells which produce 0.5v, 3.6amps and 1.8 watts each (Which will be total 17v and 60watts)
I need 12 volts DC to charge a battery right? and a battery gives 12 volts AC to the inverter which it converts in 500watts or whatever it's capable of.
Can I give DC 12v to inverter (Directly through inverter's + and - Terminals) to create 500w or not?
if no then is there anyway to do it?
Thanks
layfon77777 4 months ago
@layfon77777 You can't get 500w from 60w... A 12V battery needs a source about 20% higher (15-16v) to charge it. A Solar Panel will produce 17-22V with NOTHING connected to it. Connect a Battery and it will bring voltage down to 12-13 and steadily increase as the battery absorbs the electrons.
A 60W panel will NOT power an inverter directly. You would have to add capacitors (capacitance) which is what a battery is really. I hope that helps. PM if you need help.
simplistiksoftware 4 months ago
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EnidLeejLizaGuyc 4 months ago
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Very creative and fun!
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I started with Harbor Freight Solar Also - But regular panels are a better value and work better. I just bought some more - I found the best prices from a company called Solar Penny SolarPenny on the website check them out before you waste money on the HF panels. Give them a call and they will sell you products that will make you want to throw away your harbor panels away.
dieselplow 4 months ago
This guy is way cool... keep it up, man!!!
tjroberts777 4 months ago
How much is the whole system cost solar panel + inverter + power storage?
CheapAntivirus 4 months ago
How much is the whole system cost? I am interested
ayotollah 4 months ago
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musicintellect1 4 months ago
Hey Dan! Is it possible to add (stack) extra solar kits (2 or more) and attach them to (1) one 12v battery (or bank) to decrease the charging time and increase the amps/watts (i.e.from 2 hours to 1 hour of charging time, or from 6 amps/watts to 12), or will the voltage change to 24v once you added more then one kit? Thanks!
Bobster986 4 months ago
really interesting! great video
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adamrulezyebro 5 months ago
@lamartosh - Hi- Vids are great BUT If you had problems with your plumbing you wouldn't go to plumbing school first and then have a go at fixing it yourself - you would get a properly 'qualified' plumber. Same applies to Solar Panels- you need MCS and NAPIT certificates to plug anything in to the Grid - top price £13,000 for a 22 panels system to meet a household's energu needs. Good news- the UK government will pay you 9% on the cost (£13,000) for the next 25yrs for a quote josi.kane@gmail.com
TheUpbeat007 5 months ago
The problem with Solar Panels is that it radiates heat back, adding to our ozone problems.
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vividDC 6 months ago
Just to makes thing a little better try putting a mirror next to the solar panels and reflect more light..., toward s the center. You will just about almost double the output easily.
Mrinfoone 6 months ago
@greenpowerscience GPS, what is the maximum input the HF charger/controller can handle? Can you hook up 2 kits to the 1 controller?
jhs5150 6 months ago
Great work you two! Keep up the education of others, this is great to show how much we could run without the big companies. I watched a lot of your videos and can only say keep it up because i learned quite a bit from you guys.
Thank you and keep it up =)
bcbudful 7 months ago
Good job on the video. But "green" is coding for UN Agenda 21 depopulation illuminati agenda.
nitdiver5 7 months ago
Not very safety conscious with his sanding methods. Neat solar panels though.
hnolette 7 months ago
#1of#2) 2 the guy asking about how many batteries/it depends on ow you wire them/if u do it on series or parallel/u can have a shitload and still maintain your 12/24 volt you wanted.& 2 the guy who says this isn't worth it/i pay $150w/coupon& also use a generator which backfeeds power into my whole shop-
wppd2001 7 months ago
Well some people just don't understand harbor freight! You wait until you get a coupon like I have for this system/i can get it for $150 & that's what u do w/harbor freight/they put everything on sale b/c they have sales every month/u just wait until what u want is on sale/or find someone with a coupon like me/buy it from them...shhhh.
wppd2001 7 months ago
Can you please tell me what the advantage of a 24Volt system is compared to a 12 Volt system? My output has to be 220 Volt AC cause i live in Europe. Greetings Tom
FUNNYTOM10 7 months ago
@FUNNYTOM10 DC or AC doestn't matter. The power (energy) you use is measured in watts. 1 Volt x 1 Amp = 1 watt. So at 12 V you would use 20 times the amps then you would in a 240 Volt to get the same watts. At 24 Volts it is only 10 times the current. The only advantage to using the higher 24 volts is less current so you can use smaller size of the expensive wire and get less line loss. The more current you try to squeeze though the same wire size the more line loss,
gpguy2 7 months ago
@FUNNYTOM10, higher voltage is used because it's more efficient to transport over long distances. Over short distance I don't think it would matter. What your concerned with is having enough watts to work with and being able to invert it to a usable voltage.
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DemianHermann 7 months ago
Just one battery mmmm i saw many videos but thaey used like 3 or 4 battery!!!!but well it's ok
richivalever32 7 months ago
Dan, great videos. I got one of these but the instructions are not very clear. If I have them charging a 12V battery, can I run electronic devices from the charge controller box that come with the panels at night? Or is the flow from the charge controller to the battery a one way road so to speak?
AJS0121 7 months ago
@AJS0121 the point of the charge controller is to just charge the battery and not let any electricity out. to draw power out at night you will have to dettach the controller and panels or connect an inverter seperately in addition to the controller to the battery leads. however you should never attach a panel directly to the battery since it can mess up the panel and/or battery.
KevinRobots 7 months ago
@KevinRobots: Thanks for the info. I didn't use the HF charge controller in my set up but, since the outlets in the HF controller will only run off of solar, they are not very useful. Especially those nice little CFL lights. I went with a simple 75 ah deep cycle marine battery with an on/off toggle to a 12v DC out. The kit I built has an inverter in it for those items. The HF panels did splice together nice into a male DC plug for a simple plug and charge to my solar generator.
AJS0121 7 months ago
does any one know what that box is and do they come in kits?
adamcentral007 7 months ago
its good i love it
edvukx 8 months ago
Great video I am planning to buy one solar system for a building to turn it into a green building
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Iamtheeggman2011 8 months ago
Dan, I have been watching and learning from your videos, will order some fresnel lenses off your ebay sales next month. I have solar systems on two trailers, one a camper the other a mobile contractor office/workshop. Something that conserns me is the panels being vulnerable to hail damage. How tough do you think the HF panels are in standing up to foul weather? Would clear lexan covers help wit maybe an inch or two of standoff or would that cause panels to heat up and lose efficiency?
8digitPDX 8 months ago
hello. i wanted to ask you because you seem to know a good bit about this system. ok i want to know what i need to do to add more batt to my bank. now i dont have all my stuff yet but am just getting started. and i see lots of people have two batt hooked up. can this system from H/F charge more then two 12v batts??? you can give me some math tips so help me find out how manny batts i can charge. or do i need more panales, and can i just add them to this charger. thanks for all your help
yakslawncare 8 months ago
this solar panel. does it work during winter were there is no sun at all. trying to get into solar power but still not sure. from what i think it only work if there is sun only. tell u help me.
hmoobthoj67 8 months ago
nice work. Most people think using electric based units instead of flamable resources is 'being green' . That's why they go off and buy electric powered cars and so on but most of the electric we use all over the world is generated by burning same resources that these people got away from in the first place. Unfortunately they look like twats now but with designs like this should help their reputation.
hendrixexperiencedig 8 months ago
can you power a tv fridge and microwave on it thats what i want to know :)
ianroady 8 months ago in playlist MY GP VIDEOS
Lets see you paid $230 for a 45 watt panel system or roughly $5.11 per watt. If you are lucky enough to have sunlight 6hrs a day 365 days a year and assuming no rain, snow, all sunlight which is impossible but for example, you would get 98.55 kw for the entire year for $230 I would have paid $11.86 for the same 98.55kw sun or not. It would take roughly 20yrs to break even assuming no maintenance or repairs which is also impossible. This is a suckers game till the cost is below 80 cent a watt.
tiktak25 8 months ago
Another sweet video :)
cheapsolarpanels1 8 months ago
Nice toy. Now let's do some math: Roughly figured, this 45 watt system might create about 7 to 10 KWH of electricity per month where i live. At the rates we pay for line power, it would take about 306 months, or 25 years, to break even -- without figuring interest over the 25 years. And that's assuming that these panels stay at peak efficiency for the whole 25 years, which we all should know they do not do.
VAspeed3 8 months ago
@VAspeed3 and what do you think we would be paying for electricity in 25 years? I say with inflation, they should pay for themselves in far less. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.
Lanny615 1 month ago
@Lanny615 Well, I don't know what electricity will cost in 25 years, nor does anyone else, but what does that have to do with PV panels you buy NOW? If you just want them because they are a cool toy, more power to you, but don't fool yourself into thinking you've made anything other than an irrational purchase.
VAspeed3 1 month ago
@VAspeed3 my little system runs my lights, we have frequent power outages in Jamaica so im never without lights in the house. Whenever we have a hurricane or storm, i still got lights and other things working. I cant wait to upgrade till my whole house runs on solar/wind. My cool toy is my little trail bike...lol
Lanny615 1 month ago
@Lanny615 I understand; I'm glad it works for you. 45 watts won't even begin to do me any good here.
What can you run besides a light or two on 45 watts? You must have it charging a battery, since, even in Jamaica, the sun presumably does not shine at night when you actually need the lights to work.
VAspeed3 1 month ago
@VAspeed3 I started out with 18 watts and kept adding panels and batteries . I am now at 150 watts. Check out my video "Solar power Jamaica DIY"
Lanny615 1 month ago
The lights are so that you can illuminate the deep shadow behind the solar panel and still see what you're doing and not get tanned :o). Better than most vids but you need to clean the connections so that the lamps stay on and go up/down with the other loads. Try getting a script and timing it. And get your figures Accurate. You didn't mention the motion of the Sun and many other detracting factors. And you May not have a complete understanding of the subject, which comes across in your video.
Tornfreedom 8 months ago
@Llortsaccount
he's trying to help and you call him a faggy nerd. stop projecting your inner fears onto others.
HugoBastard 8 months ago 38
@HugoBastard Oh snap! You went all Dr. Drew on the dude.
DigitalPraise7 2 months ago
Ok, so if you have 15 of those batteries can you charge them all with those three cells? with the same inverter for how long can it power up a freezer, and a refrigerator? I'm asking because I have a house in the Caribbean the following appliances and want go power independent.
ProtocolsMaster 8 months ago
if you live in a small town get everyone involved in a project to get your town of grid
it's very much cheeper and achivable that way you only need 900000 for a 1mw
wind turbine that will power 3000 homes divide 900000 by 3000 and tell me that's not cost effective WERE BEING BRAIN WASHED AND CONNED DO SOMTHING ABOUT IT FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR CHILDREN WHO WILL STILL BE HERE WHEN WERE GONE
spick1923 9 months ago
@MrLaszlojuhasz What about all the small towns and communites that can run quite easily of off solar and
wind? Tell me the answer to that then.
Im fucking sick death of poiticians rambling on about fucking carbon footprints. when the solutions are availible
spick1923 9 months ago
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indibry 9 months ago 3
Dan, my question is if I buy the habor freight kit like in the video I am wondering if the charge controller can stay connected to the battery all the time? I have an RV on my property that is not used for a few weeks at a time and This might be a way to keep my batteries in it good when I am away. Hauling a generator to the woods every time is getting old.......Thoughts?
freakshow2000 9 months ago
ook i like your video but how many panels do i need for a refrigerator , three air conditioner, 3 tv, 2 computers and 10 bulbs.. or how many batteries , i'm trying to live wwithout the energy of the company
joseangel48 9 months ago 6
Dear Brother,
I have seen you video, and really appreciate for this. I will be very much obliged to you, if you kindly help me to know - what do I need for 1(one) Kw system for my house. Kindly note I am living in Karachi, Pakistan.
Waiting for your kind reply please.
Kind regards.
Your faithfully,
Yemenifish
yemenifish 9 months ago
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SambaEnergy 9 months ago
Can you digitally store solar power on something like a Blu-ray disc solar panel? If an adaptable laser could activate solar energy stored inside tiny cells, you'd have panel that could hold solar power for a longer time.
cnoevl67 10 months ago
@cnoevl67~ HAHA!!.... energy can NOT be stored digitally!
marek0086 9 months ago
@gabegrant1 when he connected the car battery to the solar system he just connected a rechargeable battery.
brandon14872 10 months ago
I just got my kit from Harbor Freight and am looking forward to building it. Thanks
loraliez 10 months ago
Good stuff I am looking at 4.1kw system installed on my home with18- 200watt panels at 21.5% efficient .System cost is around $33,000 USD kinda expensive but everything in Japan cost more.The Electric company will buy back at 50 cents a kilowatt under a 10 year contract .We pull about 3500kilowatts a month(heaters are electric and under charge at night for 2 cents per kilowatt) .So do you think it is worth it.? Thanks and I love the videos keep em going.
vipsavior 10 months ago
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vipsavior 10 months ago
did you know solar Panels only last 20-25 years IF YOUR LUCKY! then its Toxic waist..
>>> It is estimated that a ton of SF6 equals a greenhouse effect of 25,000t of CO2. SF6 can be reduced to sulphur dioxide (SO2), the emissions of which can result in acid rain. Overuse of SF6 can undermine climate change targets by the use of solar power, as SO2 emissions create a high greenhouse effect. <<<
Dark Secrets they DON'T tell you .. do a Google of “Toxic waste of solar” or “Toxic Waste of PV sf6”.
canectar 10 months ago
@canectar Is name EDISON ? lol
irocx29 9 months ago
@canectar Is your name EDISON ? lol
irocx29 9 months ago
@canectar hardly as bad as a half life of 150000 years though for radioactive waste.
turbines were ever possible are better - geo thermal and tidal best but require big money
1mw tubines cost around 500000/7000000 better to get your community invoved in a project
for a turbine 900000 / 3000 = £300 per house £25 per month for year then FREE
my electric bill cost's me £40 per month. do the math
spick1923 9 months ago
Pendulum brought me here.
fail220 10 months ago
can you please explain in your working out how it will put out 4.5 amps ?
petehall347 10 months ago
yah but by all of you arguing nothing gets done an knowone gets anywhere.
your "point" means shit. its the big picture that everyone fails to help.
BTW do you know how u win wars. YOU DONT FIGHT. history repeats its self.
look at what we r doing right now. an then look at the crusades.
I WANT YOU TO GET MAD WHEN YOU READ THIS, hows your plastic bubble treating you. do you feel satisfied with your life. i want you to look around at this shit world, you chose to create.
monkey911t 10 months ago
@monkey911t Exactly but thats the point,because folk are brainwashed into there divided opinions about these things. socitey does not want free thinking people, they are bad for profit and control,
confusion is the modern weapon, information is the new way to control and confuse fill people with too
much that they can't seperate fact from fiction anymore.
But there's an easy way out and many are realizing the obviousness of the solution it just requires a global
effort for it to work...
spick1923 9 months ago
Hi, I live in tropical country, would I be able to harvest more solar energy? do I need larger solar panel for that?
djobeat 11 months ago
So it was the other day when Edison decieded to change out an inline transformer and my neighbor was out of power for 4 hours. I was playing video games the entire time, of course i have a bank of 6 batteries that supplied me with the power but while he was trying to figure out what to do for 4 hours i enjoyed playing games. Yes it is a great idea to have a back-up power supply...
FJvoodoo 11 months ago
I love Dan's videos,and I have learned a lot from them.
poyntek 11 months ago
>.< awessome
maidwithluv 11 months ago
dan can you email me how to connect 2 HBF 45watt systems together
jinulty 11 months ago
Solar power is the future, a single good investment on a top of the line grid tied solar system will last produce electricity for 30+ years. The PV solar system will pay itself in around 7 to 10 years depending on the size of the system.
geckologicusa 11 months ago
Solar Energy is useful especially at the desert or at the Middle East.
MrVrsilvestrejr2008 11 months ago
I live in Texas and summer will be here soon ( HOT)...what would it take to run a 110 ac window unit?...I'm sure you know by my question I am new to solar. Really enjoy your videos.
cherylynnej1 11 months ago
Cool for $200 I can: Power two Lights OR Power a week drillbit OR Power a fairly strong Fan OR Sand some Wood
Oh yeah, It needs to be outside, and in direct sunlight
99999999988888888333 1 year ago
@99999999988888888333 Don't be so ignorant, it's and investment and a smart one at that. How about light a few rooms in your house for FREE for the next 25 years? Sure its only a 45 watt panel but with the money you save you can buy more/bigger ones and eventually say goodbye to your power bill all-together. Not only that, your lowering your energy footprint and helping the environment.
kylecan5 11 months ago
Man, great introduction! This is a great way to get started.
diysolarpanels100 1 year ago
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laksikakanchana 1 year ago
Nice work, come and check out my solar panel power system i built on dashony.com and leave your comments. Also find a full description of all components I've used. Cheers
dashony 1 year ago
the government actually pay you if you fit solar pannel in your home
blast749 1 year ago
waste of time i just use stuff generated from nuclear plants and coal thats nice...
deadeye770 1 year ago
take those panels and put them in the basement.first you take a parabolic solar concentrator and put an robotic arm on it to follow the suns path.then make the focal point a mirrored shape cone that will send the light down through mirrored glass tubing straight into a mirrored shape glass box inside the mirrored shape box will be several solar panels that spin to keep them cool the mirrored box must have the mirrors inward to reflect the light sending from the parabolic focal point.ken van horn
kennethvanhorn 1 year ago
Cool. Portable workshop power.
minimalmonkey 1 year ago
@Abnermoon I know its been 2yrs since this post...But I was wondering, did you ever get this to work right? Also, if you did...what kind of voltage are you putting out??
pendragon10148 1 year ago
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Ho imp da 4,05 kwp , circa 6000 kw anno, scontento del nuovo SCAMBIO SUL POSTO , pago prestito e bollette salate , immesso più di 2000 kw , nessun rimborso, ho fatto strappare il contratto a mia figlia , dopo tutto questo ha deciso di non farlo, CONVIENE SOLO SE E KW per KW , utenti ed install. dovrem lavorare insieme per tornare al vecchi sistema, sto pensando di caricare un video per demotivare , sono ecologista , ho costruito una casa ecologica ma?? cerca su youtube "mauronigro"
ideanewlibero 1 year ago
John Bedini on his website is selling a solar charger that picks up the higer frequency energy put out by solar panels that can double the output of the solar panel. I think the site is "icehouse" something.
brentbps1 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this information. I believe so much that solar power is the future of our society that I wrote a song about it, Sun Power Me, by Ben Sage. Please give it a listen when you can.
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SolarTrinkets 1 year ago
can u run a inverter off the charger part?
tjohnathon30 1 year ago
is an inverter an alternator?
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
What a great idea! Spend over $200 so that you can be out in the bright sun and run 2 5-watt CF lights! The price of solar HAS to come down before it's anything more than an expensive toy.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Mine have paid for themselves and still work great, so I guess they are free now:-)
GREENPOWERSCIENCE 1 year ago 29
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE
Interesting.
In what ways have you used them to pay for themselves and over what duration (i.e. months or years)?
Thanks for the great info.
storytellerHD 1 year ago
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@GREENPOWERSCIENCE
Interesting.
In what ways have you used them to pay for themselves and over what duration (i.e. months or years)?
Thanks for the excellent info.
storytellerHD 1 year ago
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE .... they've paid for themselves? in two years? dunno what you lot pay over there in the states but over here in AUS power is only 19.4c/Kwhr... they make 45watts ie: 0.045Kw per hour for around 6 hrs a day of FULL sunlight which works out to about $1.62 per month. hasn't even paid for one of the three panels yet, let alone the inverter or the battery.
Jimmeh30 1 year ago
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE what I'd really like to know from all you lot peddling these solar panel roughts is... is the carbon cost of producing a solar panel negated in the amount of power it produces/saves over its twenty year lifespan? (forgetting of course that the coal is still burning regardless) This is not a yes or no question
Jimmeh30 1 year ago
@GREENPOWERSCIENCE In what way have your solar panels paid for themselves. Can you be more specific?
friend2cptsolo 9 months ago
@christo930
I have a coupon to get this same item at Harbor frieght tools for $125.00
BadassCeino 11 months ago
@BadassCeino It's still a bad deal.
christo930 11 months ago
Hello sir , i what to put a photovoltaic system on my apartment building along with the other residence , what do we need beside the panels an the suport system in the way of electronics and maintence.Thank you.
GUTZAforLIFE 11 months ago
@GUTZAforLIFE If you think it's worth it then good for you, knock yourself out, have fun.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 200$ for panels which will last approximately 15-20 years, generating approximately 80 KW hours a year, given current prices (which is unlikely if anything prices will rise in future) it will pay for itself in about 10 years or less depending on local prices.. We'll u also get piece of mind of having electricity off grid even if its just 45 watts.. Larger panels, price is even more competitive and u pay it off even shorter.. Solar is already here..
ddnguyen278 11 months ago
@ddnguyen278 How many days of full sun are you counting on and how many hours per day are you counting on?
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 365 days a year, 5 hours of usable sunshine at maximum capacity per day on average, 25 cents per kilowatt hour price, works out to generating 20 dollars worth of electricity per year, thus 10 years or less depending on many variables. Sure u can argue u might not get full sun 365, i can also point out that in 10 years electricity prices will rise.. so it all works out in end..
Also as technology marches on, solar panels will drop in prices, so the numbers become even better.
ddnguyen278 11 months ago
@ddnguyen278 In my area electricity is only about .09kw/r and there would be nowhere near 300, let alone 365 days of sunshine (it's actually 93 according to worldfacts, seems low to me though). I live on the 40th latitude (Philadelphia) so I get fewer hours of sunlight during the winter, but more during the summer. Solar might be the future, but it's not the present. It's just too intermittent and too expensive.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Fair enough, I'm in California and we get about 200+ days of sun and about 5 hours of sunlight on average, electricity is about 15 cents per kilowatt here. I took the average price i found off the Internet (which ranged from 10 cents to 50 cents). Solar might not be for you but surely you can agree there are people who live in the right climate to benefit from it (ie those living near equator with lots of sun, like those in south west..), and for them solar is already viable.
ddnguyen278 11 months ago
@ddnguyen278 Then why does it need subsidies? If solar was a good deal it wouldn't need tax subsidies to make it affordable. You also need to take 2 other things into consideration
1) Financing cost if you finance
2) If you pay in full up front, what return could you have gotten on that money had you invested it instead
I don't know about California, but we do get hail occasionally and it seems to me that hail can damage the panels. I think a breakthrough is coming though.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 If you ask me, the real value of solar energy is large scale (commercial) solar thermal electric generation Because heat can be retained better than electricity stored, solar thermal electric is much less intermittent and uses conventional generators with high efficiencies. THe only difference is the source of heat which in this case is solar. Home solar thermal can also be good to cut down on your hot water bills and is much cheaper because there is no electronics or batteries.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Same reason why we subsidize gasoline and other energy, to promote consumer usage and spur investment. It's no conspiracy or surprise, the government want to move away from foreign sources of energy and solar and other renewable are an option.
Technology marches on, sure solar 20 years ago was not competitive but we're getting new thin film and high volume production which is lowering the cost dramatically.. Hail damage is an issue, but new thin films are more resilient.
ddnguyen278 11 months ago
@ddnguyen278 Gasoline is not subsidized, it is heavily taxed at both the state and federal level. I am not talking about subsidizing research, I am talking about subsidizing individuals who put up solar panels on their home. Without the gov subsidies, solar panels simply wouldn't be worth it and that is in ca where tiered energy bills make solar more economical because the first 500kw are the cheapest and each subsequent KW is more expensive, so if you can get rid of the last KW you can save $.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Actually the true price of gas isn't reflected at retail, it's heavily subsided through tax breaks to oil companies and the cost of expensive military campaigns to secure its source. We can disagree about that but I don't were in the middle east to promote democracy.
I'm not gonna continue this conversation, i made my points, government wants to promote renewables that's why you get tax breaks, solar is getting cheaper, its a good idea for people who live in southern climates..etc
ddnguyen278 11 months ago
@ddnguyen278 Most of our oil doesn't come from the middle east, but I do agree that our military does affect the worldwide price of oil so in a way it is subsidized, but then it's taxed at the federal and state level and it's illegal for gas stations to tell you how much of the price is tax. Realistically, the govs of the world have distorted the price, who knows what a free market price would be. OTOH, oil and NG are both feedstocks to solar panels so that is a subsidy.
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930 yeah um if you look at harbor freight, they have it on sale for $150 almost every week
jotoew 9 months ago
@jotoew It's still a bad deal.
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 Kits are not 179.99
Gilbs2211 9 months ago
@Gilbs2211 Well, how much are they? These small solar panels might be useful in certain situations, but they are NOT economically viable where electricity is regularly available. Like they might be useful in some research where you need to put sensors that need electricity in a very remote location or other highly specialized uses. But for any type of home project, they are an energy sink.
christo930 9 months ago
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You're right, this kit is not going to take you off the grid but is perfect for those certain situations. Currently, there is no cheap way to get off the grid. To fully get off the grid, or to even have the grid pay you, you'll have to drop thousands of dollars and will definitely take a few years to pay for itself.
Gilbs2211 9 months ago
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Gilbs2211 9 months ago
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@christo930 Kits are now $179.99
Gilbs2211 9 months ago
@christo930 yea the point though is that if everybody starts investing in small scale solar & wind projects it will create a massive boom in the industry big boom = lower prices, you don't have to be a genius of ecomomics to work out the effect this will have on a very much needed industry. an industry that MUST grow and become cheaper. £800 in england will buy you 1 250w panel i bought 2 even though i know it's expensive and over priced at the moment, but that runs all the lighting in our
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spick1923 9 months ago
@spick1923 It's not like photovoltaics are anything new. THey have had many decades now to make them cheaper and more efficient and they simply haven't caught on. This technology is interesting, but it is nowhere near ready for prime-time.
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 Thats the point they have been available for years have you questioned why they have not been made cheaper and more efficient sooner?
Oil and profit.
the world is sadly treated as one giant buisness and it's number one commodite is you and me the consumer, energy is sold to us per unit at huge profit margins same with fuel.
a lot of people use solar energy to power there whole houses how more prime do you want?
spick1923 9 months ago
@spick1923 The profit motive exists in photovoltaics too you know. It takes a great deal of energy to make them and they use silver among other expensive minerals and are difficult to mass produce, add that up with terrible efficiency and you get an interesting technology, but not for mass production. THere has to be fundamental changes to PV before it can compete with other energy sources. The oil industry wouldn't be effected by PV because oil isn't used to generate electricity.
christo930 9 months ago
@christo930 house, great. But the biggest and most important reason to buy ANY sustainable energy project you can possibly afford is, that at the moment the energy companies have a strangle hold on the whole world
and will not support sustainable energy, and actually try and prevent it from becoming viable, becuase the energy and Fuel oil they sell they sell at HUGE profit this a totally unacceptable situation that people all over the world must become aware of and do something about
spick1923 9 months ago
@spick1923 What do you have against profit? Are you a marxist or something? The profit motive is what lifts living standards, makes people healthy and live longer and generally make our lives better. Oil, gas and coal have done more to make our lives better than anything in history. Follow a world population curve and matches completely with fossil fuels. As oil depletes and gets more expensive, the PROFIT motive will drive new technology and substitutions. Profit is a good thing (as is loss)
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