I personally think freedom of religion should not be barred, unless it interferes with other laws, freedoms, and rights. For example, sharia law. Yes, it is apart of their religion, but you don't have a fucking chance in hell of ever getting away with freedom of religion when practicing it in a developed nation because it interferes with so many other rights laws and freedoms.
I agree. If you're not familiar, look up the story of Kara Neumann-an 11 year old girl who died (on Easter Sunday, no less) of undiagnosed Type 1 (insulin dependent) Diabetes. Why? Her parents, instead of taking her to the ER/a doctor, "laid hands" on her and PRAYED for her to "get better". I HAVE T1. There IS NO "getting better". She needed INSULIN and IV FLUIDS. I cringe each time I think of Kara, in DKA, slowly dying a painful death because of her parents' ignorance.
why the canadian flag, your more american than the Bush family.... who the f cares what you think...... mind your own business and take care of your own kids, yet I think you have no kids, for what I see on your other videos your'e gay, and hate black people..
I agree with this guy. This is a bit too far. I'm about as liberal as it comes about religious practice (I'm even okay with groups who sacrifice animals as long as it's humane and in accordance with zoning and livestock laws), but running from the cops to keep your kid from getting real medicine is just nuts. This isn't religion, this is delusion. It's more like cult activity than anything.
My stepdaughter had ALL (Leukemia) when she was four years old. She went through treatment by chemotherapy. It was horrible. She lost her hair, she was so weak she couldn't hardly move and had to go back to diapers. HOWEVER, it worked. She went in to remission, and stayed in remission, and was cured. Now she is 23 years old and has her own child. It was medicine, not prayer; science, not religion, that saved her. Freedom of religion must end where harm to someone else begins.
Many scientific people in the past also happen to be very faithful adherents. It's only today were so sensitive to titles as if we can't be this if we are that. And that's terrible.
Chemotherapy kills 95% of the people that take it within 5 years, it has a 95% KILL rate! If it had a 95% CURE rate you may have had a point, as it is, you've only proven your ignorance, please do not force your ignorance on others, regardless of religion. You want to KILL this boy, the parents want to let him die peacefully, you are both in the same boat. Stay out of others peoples' business, YOU are condemning this boy to a horrible death by radiation poisoning!
@WDeet I know 10+ people that have had Chemo, and only one died within five years, after her cancer had came back. This, to me, invalidates your statement.
Kids who were raised in strict religious backgrounds are usually denied the right to freedom of Religion. Often times, if they choose to convert when they're older their own family will be sorely disappointed with them. In some cases, parents will literally disown their brethren
I've had this debate with circumcision. The problem isn't the need to limit freedom of religion, its the need to make it a law they you can't force your religion onto your children. You should allow them to have their freedom to the persuit of happiness and the freedom of religion, by backing off when it comes to their boundaries.
The problem is that the parents are confused. If they are Catholic, there is no problem. The issue is that their personal cult of Catholicism doesn't agree. Its not a religious matter, it is a cult matter. This is further proved by no denominations being in Catholicism.
should we have freedom of religion? Yes. But the thoughts of the child with cancer should be listened too also to get his point of view. I don't think the community or gov't should step in and force chemotherapy treatment on the boy.
There have always been stories like this, every few years something like this happens. I remember a while back in Canada it was a kid who needed a blood transfusion but her parents were Jehova Witnesses so they were against it. I believe the Doctors usually win in these debates (at least I hope they do).
I agree 1000% I am a Pagan and although I do not like putting chemicals in my body....i have no choice because if i wish to move to take care of my children I must ingest potassium chloride and frankly if my child was dying or in suffering i would pour nuclear waste in their throat if that was the only option I had........anything to ease a childs suffering or prevent death
Religion should have no more freedom or special treatment then any other form of freedom of thought. If the mother instead bought into some conspiracy theory that made her medically neglect her child like the water flouridation conspiracy or the anti-vaccine movie, that wouldn't get special treatment.
If assisted suicide is considered illegal and tantamount to willful murder (under current law), then aren't the parents not willfully killing their child? It's not as though they are ignorant or the risks: they are merely religiously belligerent.
But this absolute adherence to a set of beliefs, to the overall detriment of their child, is an example of freedom taken to extremes.
Religion should always be a choice, not a sentence. Hope that kid gets better.
It shows what you think about religion when you said "religious crap". Now, had you ever wonder why all this new sickness have appear in the last 100 years ? Perhaps an indiscriminate use of technology from humans just to make some more money ? The priority of thinks has change but it always should be: GOD, Family and State. Not the other way around
That is only when humans try to make religion "work" for its own benefit. Religion MUST be a set of rules (commandments) and principles that lead people to GOD. Then again, I can see that you are a practical atheist and a believer on the State Total Control...
Oh Thank You for this opinion!! Here in America we've recently had a similar situation with a couple who had a sick (treatable) baby girl and refused to take her to the hospital (which would have saved her life) in favor of prayer-healing.
She died, and the court decided that the parents were within their rights to with-hold hospital care for their daughter. I was livid, and my husband and I had a very heated discussion about whether or not religious freedom should be restricted...
further more, i know the scene. all people do is pra for you, and you feel it redundancy in irritation and just want to die or survive. i really have been there.
what iam saying is, someday radiation will be outdated with hope. but if we allow mandates in the law to determine wich treatments we get, medical research will do no good for anyone. when you employ government into lives, you set starndards, those standards almost never match circumstance.. she prol is nuts but mandating how you can get treatment will be even crazier
the decision should be th patitent's. this line of thought of painting the government as more educated is dangerous. Cancer is a serious issue, that cant be fought by streamline medicine. My choices to treat brain cancer, may be different than that of the one with bile duct cancer. you give that power to a judge or a single doctor, many diverse treaments may dissappear. 13 years is old enough to decide. Iam a caner survivor and can tell you i seen those whoe chose death. treatment is hard.
As a cousin of a little girl who recently overcame neuroblastoma, my view may differ from yours. Cancer is extremely serious, therefore that should be chosen by a group of doctors who experience cancer patiens on a daily basis. Not a thirteen year old acting on the whims of his parents. I'm 16, even i'm easily influenced by different things so no he's not old enough. The treatment is hard, it kills not just the cancer but can kill the spirit. But it does work, prayer is yet to cure cancer.
It depends on how much you value life. Cancer treatment can destroy you. I had cancer, I barley survived. Looking back it, I am glad i did. but the problem here is, if you get another form of treatment ( not prayer) and you start mandating what tratment people choose you ultimately will end up sending someone to their death.
Hope has never cured cancer, radiation has. It does. I've seen exactly what you describe, i'm not saying the government should, i'm saying medical professionals. These are the people who experience each and every circumstance so their experience is surely more useful than the governments.
Should the kid be able to decide weather he dies or becomes sick from chemotherapy? Can't he choose a quick painless death of cyanide or something? I would...
The Constitution states that rights may be limited when they endanger other rights, the court ruling forcing the child to undergo treatment was a product of this common sense rule. Therefore our first amendment rights need not be arbitrarily limited before any true harm comes to people.
I agree what this guy's saying, I'm a christian, not catholic. What the parents should do is take him to the hospital, get him WHATEVER HE NEEDS WITH THE STUFF WE HAVE TODAY, and PRAY. Now, whats sooo wrong about that? that CHRISTIANS like myself believe? and I don't see anything wrong with prayer.
I'm concerned. The government is overriding her choice, though I totally agree with the hospital being the better way. Setting religion aside, I'm just asking whether the government has the right to do this.
God can heal and the body can heal itself, but there is also a place for medication. It is fine to have faith and trust God but its only common sense, that doctors and hispitals and treatment also have its place, basic common sense. That mother should take her child to the hosptial and save his life and allow him to live longer with the help of medicine, at the same time people can pray and trust God, but dont deny medication.
What's the problem with what this guys saying? he's not a catholic, all he's saying is. When your child is sick, take him to the doctor to treat with medication, what normal people would do, AND pray for him. That's all.
I'm on the fence. I do not think that the government should be able to supercede a patients decision on treatment option, or in this case the parents choice considering the child is a minor. On the other hand Most patients who are able to be successfully treated, go on to live full and normal lives. Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later chemotherapy, with a survival rate of around 90% So I can see why the Gov is involved.
For a religion to disallow modern day medicine is bullshit. Think of it this way, if a god or goddess exist and don't want us to use modern medicine to cure illness then why the hell would he/she/it/they give us the knowledge and natural resources to discover these cures to these illnesses?
Ha ha, hilarious. How do you define health? Especially mental health. Whatever you decide would only be arbitrary anyway. And then requesting that the state, a group of people with a monopoly on policy and the use of violence, should be allowed to enforce that arbitrary definition? It's ludicrous.
Your concern for the wellbeing of children is laudable, but your tactics for achieving it are misguided.
So now a person's personal beliefs are to take a backseat - in your opinion - to that of the government? You really are a disgrace to that flag in the background because with what you preach you should instead have the banner of communist or fascist state! My child - my responsibility -- not yours and not some over-bearing government!
You want to limit freedom of religion in relastion to parents toward their children. That is a terrible idea. ¡This could eventually lead to outlawing the right of parents to sacrifice their children to the gods!
It is important to remember that until the age of majority children are mere property. If parents want to earn money by letting pædophiles rape their children for money, that is a parental right.
I'm an atheist and freedom of religion should not be restricted even for this. The general public's opinion does not have to automatically apply to people even though they are incredibly retarded. They need to be able to do what they feel will help the most, it is none of our business. Of course, if the kid wants the therapy, he will get it, it's his choice.
Okay, well. It's NOT about religion. It's about curing an illness with God given NATURAL Foods and Herbs. IT WORKS, without poisoning everything else in the body. We should have the freedom to treat our illnesses the way WE CHOOSE! The child may not have be "informed" but I'm sure the parents had done a great deal of remade such a drastic decision. search before they
I think you are stupid in thinking that that's going to help (sorry, it's the truth), but I agree that you should have the freedom to do whatever you want in these situations unless the child disagrees. It's none of the rest of society's business in the slightest.
Its not the truth. I think you are foolish to think the companies you charge with treating cancer have any interest at all in curing it. The patent holders, starts with 'Rock' and ends with 'Ella', on most of the vaccines, radium and chemotherapy are strong believers in population reduction. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Its simple math, they poison us, then sell us the TREATMENT, not the CURE, taking every last penny till we die. Psychopathic economics 101. If you don't believe me do some research.
Why use chemicals that are dangerous instead of a natural alternative which can help. The big Pharma companies influence doctors (through incentives, and training in medical schools) and researchers(fund the research which backs their claims) and profit only if you use there methods. How can you "kidnap" your own child? The mom wants to protect her child. I thought we had the freedom of "choice" in this country? not that Im for it. why can moms kill babies and she cant try an alternative cure?
I believe they should be able to do whatever they want, but I'm pretty sure that chemotherapy and radiation have been scientifically proven to be better treatments than eating good food or something.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand? Isn't it true that radiation can cause cancer? It's been proven since the 30's that exposure to radiation can cause cancer. So how does something that's proven to cause cancer cure it?
So does high dose IV vitamin C, so does Essaic Tea but if a doctor claims as much they loose their license. There is evidence to show Hodgkins is caused by early vaccinations (like most chronic illness') provided by the very companies that later sell you the Chemo and Radiation therapy. Are you are getting a clearer picture now? They create the disease then sell the treatment. Until you understand the psyche of the elite you will continue you to think they have you're best interests at heart.
But they don't really want you dead... they want you to live as long as you can so they can suck every penny they can out of you... until you're dead. So... they give you chemo and rad .. damaging your kidneys... so that can give you kidney treatments... until you have to be on dialysis... and until your liver goes bad so that can give you liver meds... etc. etc. etc.
A 13 year old does not have the cognitive capacity to truly appreciate the implications of their own decisions.
The parents ought to be stuffed and burned for both attempting to evade treatment that might help him live (90% chance with chemo apparently), and for putting these dangerous crackpot ideas into his head.
It's frightening to think that medieval ideas are even challenged in a court of law, when they should be "educated out" of people's lives.
When is a person old enough to have the cognitive capacity to truly appreciate the implications of their own decisions? 14? 15? 16? Plus if what you're saying is true then what about girls who get abortion without parental consent? It was the boy's decision and we do not have the right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his own body.
You cannot, in all seriousness expect a 13 year old to make an educated, reasoned, and most importantly unbiased decision on his own life for a prognosis & related treatment plan.
You need to remember that until around the age of 14/15, young teens are still very much fledglings. They believe what their parents tell them, & they have not yet questioned their identity.
"we do not have the right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his own body."
We have the *obligation* to give him the most beneficial treatment, until such a time as he can make an *informed* decision for himself.
If, according to you, we should let every 13 year old decide and do what they wished - no matter how insanely crazy & counter productive or counter-intuitive, the schools - for a start - would be empty..... Think about what you're advocating.
another incredibly boring and weak minded video from your favorite liberal, Crosisborg, a legend in his own mind. Tune in next week when this half pint of a man explains why 2+2 does not equal 4. Perhaps you wont fall asleep half way through but we make no promises. If only he spent as much time in a gym as he does showing us what a friggen idiot he is.
I am somewhat familiar with this case....and I was somewhat torn by the issue of necessary treatment and freedom of choice....but 13 years old and he CAN'T READ?!
What the fucK!? Forget the cancer...these people have issues! I haven't heard this until now. Where is this coming from?
By the title of your video you're pushing your beliefs onto others, the very thing this video seems to be against. I'm not saying what the family did was right, but who are you to say what they should and should not believe. My mom's BFF has cancer and treatments have made her more sick than the disease itself.
They want their son to live and they believe they are doing what right. Who decides what's best for another man's son? People should lose their rights for sending their children to school in Detroit then. Muslims are alowd to kill their children, they don't lose any rights and most times aren't even charged with a crime.
When it comes to illness, a fucking doctor, not a religious nut parent willing to let their child die. How does muslims getting away with shit make it somehow better for christian's to do the same? Terrible logic.
No dip shit, that's not what he meant. Muslims do not lose rights to their children even though they're allowed to literally kill their children. These people are only seeking an alternative and they certainly don't intend to kill their son. You need to come to terms with your hang-up with religious people. It is none of our damn business what they believe or how they raise their child.
So according to you, a parent has the right to beat, rape and torture their child if a religion tells them it's ok, and everyone else should mind their business? Good thing you're not in charge of the world.
She is try to protect and help her son, not molest him. If she had ill intent then I think Child protection should step in. They are(the media) are just trying to deamonize her and make everyone who seeks an alternative look like a "religious loon" and a danger to society, which is totally bs.
Yes. Religion is stupid, but this is their choice and not anyone else's fucking choice. Fuck off poeople, you can't force them to go along with whatyou thin will work the best, that's not how it works. It's none ofyour business.
No idiot. Those things are all against the law. Refusing treatment isn't and should never be against the law. Since when did the government get to decide what we do with our own personal health. Fucking stupid.
Regardless of their intentions, if a doctor knows he is capable of saving a child from dying he should be able to just do it, regardless of what the parents religious beliefs are.
No, not if they object. It's their choice, not the people around them. I think they are stupid, but society's opinion on their problem shouldn't be more valuable than their opinion since it's their problem to deal with. They should be able to do whatever they want unless the kid wants chemotherapy.
The kid is young and clearly uneducated. Someone has to step in on his behalf and sort this shit out. If he was competent and a little older, sure let him make his own decision.
Until then, it should be his parents decision. They come over everyone else's opinion. Why? Because it's their kid, not our kid. I don't care how stupid it is, but they should be able to refuse treatment as long as they want to.
Well I agree to a point. But in this case, the parents are making a fucktarded decision. And every situation deserves it's own independent assessment. And in this case the state should have every right to deny the parents their rights.
I disagree, the state should not be in charge of your body. It's their kid, the state is only there to provide necessary governing not assess people's individual decisions and make decisions for them. Yes, these people are a minority in that they think this will help them, but that's none of the state's business. Even if the kid has been brainwashed into this, there is nothing we can or should do. The state doesn't own us or our bodies.
Yes. Some times you have to make sacrifices for what is right. And stop acting like it would be our fault if we didn't interfere. They are the only people to blame for this, the state would only be minding its bounds by not forcing other people's beliefs down the throats of people who don't believe in them. I'ts their fucking business. Just think what they would say if chemo therapy didn't end up working.
No, don't be a fucking idiot. If the child wants this treatment, that's his own choice, it doesn't affect anyone else. The 'majority' doesn't own him. The only time we should make decisions governing other people's lives is if it affects other people.
No, don't be a fucking idiot. If the child wants to have sex with an adult, thats his own choice, it doesnt affect anyone else. The 'majority' doesn't own him. The only time we should make decisions governing other people's lives is if it affects other people.
No idiot. The child might want to but the adult would be the decider for it happening. And if found out, the adult would go to jail. So IT DOES affect someone else.
The parents will be talking the child into listening to them, just like someone who wanted to have sex with a child would, they are both the same situation. Yes the adult in the sexual situation would go to jail, because he is talking a child into making a decision that they aren't mature enough to make for themselves, just like chemotherapy.
EchoZeroX was replying to eragon2121 by interchanging the words "this treatement" with "wants to have sex with an adult." He was showing that the situation is the same. If a child is mature enough to make a life or death decision then explain to me why they couldnt make a sexual decision?
The situation is not the same. The child not accepting treatment affects only him. Having sex with an adult affects not just the kid but the adult as well. To say no to treatment takes one, to have sex takes two. You're just wrong on this. Accept it and move on.
If a child chooses to die, of course that will EMOTIONALLY affect the parents. But in the case of an adult having sex with a child because the child wants to? First of all that's pretty stupid scenario because the adult would also have to want to. So right there it's not the same because two are making the decision not one. But if caught, the adult would likely go to jail which directly affects the adult more than the previous case.
Thats not the point, the point is that if a child can make a life or death choice, why shouldnt it be okay to have sex with children as long as they consent.
Are you now going to try to come up with every conceivable scenareo to try and make a point that's already shown to be wrong? You're comments are starting to show that some wouldn't be able to make an educated and reasonable decision no matter how old they are.
You assume that they "Force" beliefs because they're religious but when parents are homosexual or atheists it's assumed they will not force beliefs. These people have the right to raise this child however they see fit. I don't understand Americans, you abort millions of babies a year, you go on and on about freedom of choice but you always want to control someone's private business. This is what you Americans always say. "It's none of your business"
your pathetic oh abortion waaa waaa waaa well you know what a fetus doesnt have a functional brain and no feelings. so who is more fucked up here the ones that are pro choice or the ones that allow a preventable death to occur your the hypocrite not the pro choicer's. Oh its killing a life sorry but 8 cells doesnt qualify as life but yet you can condone someone allowing their son who has a fully functionging body and brain to die wow you are a special breed of moronic ass .
"Their son who has a fully functioning body and brain"
Damn right! If it was a 13 year old girl wanting an abortion you'd be all for it but when a 13 year old boy wants freedom to choose want he can or cannot do with his own body you crucify the parents you empty headed bastard. You don't have a functional brain and no feelings either but we aren't killing you unfortunately. FUCK YOU!
dude chill out and be civilized on your posts. I know he attacked you but why sink to his level? You hurt the image of others with your view point when you do that. People are being conditioned( through the media) to believe that those who are pro-life and pro-natural healing(generally Christians) are nuts and are a danger to society just check out the home grown terrorist act and the "hate crimes" bill.
Next time you call someone a "Special breed of moronic ass." You might want to first check your spelling, punctuation and application of capitol lettering.
"8 cells" wtf so your saying that a fetus is not a human and has no feeling therefore who gives a shit? I do... but his argument was we shouldnt control other's private business, it has to go both ways, if we dont care about what women do with their pre-born babies then why should we care if a woman wants to explore other means for a cure for her son?
take bio 102 in college sometime might open your eyes up to alot. and no she is'nt trying to cure her son. as the saying goes give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish he eats for the rest of his life. Give man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
I agree that they are, but that's subjective,nothing the government can say anything to. What the fuck. You could see anything as brainwashing your child, even just teaching them good manners. The government has no say over what you think of people teaching their kids religion, the government is not there to interfere on people's lives on issues that you happen to disagree with. Don't be an idiot.
Yea there were a lot of dictators that thought that too. There is a reason why America has that as it's very first amendment. To keep the government from dictating what you can believe and say. And if the government doesn't want people to have that, there's always The Second Amendment.
It's funny you say that on Memorial Day. Didn't our soldiers die for something they believed in? Didn't the parents let their children go to war knowing they could die for a belief? Maybe by your definition, war should be abolished. That's something I could endorse.
He talks about the rights of the U.S. constitution with a Canadian flag hanging in the background. I don't know where he's (Literally and figuratively speaking) coming from but I understand that American is a Constitutional Republic and Limiting Freedom is the stupidest thing Ive ever heard of. Is this guy from the states or from Canada?
Technically, that would be freedom, but anyway deciding what kind of treatment he or she gets is freedom. Are you from the U.S.? Are you Pro-choice? People choose to let their children die by the droves. If it were me, I'd try the treatments first but if that didn't work I'd be trying everything under the sun to save my childs life. They're not Letting him die" they're trying alternative medicines. Even if they were letting him die, don't Americans have Dr. Kevorkian?
I fear for Daniel's future even if the State is able to find and save him. What a messed up life he'll lead without proper education and this rather traumatic event.
What in the world is a fake atheist? I religious nut in the closet? And what the hell does 9/11 have to do with this video? I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with 9/11.
bro, first and foremost..... 8 planets with 4 dwarf planets(one of which is pluto). Secondly Jupiter is most commonly used planet to symbols god like figure of the highest measure (zues etc). Jupiter also has rings... just throwing that one in there too.
You know, having been there...I am not sure Chemo and Radiation is always the way to go.
And I say that not from any religious beliefs. I just saw what radiation does to a person. It is not good. It hurts and it can ruin the quality of life.
What is a fake atheist? Someone who says they don't believe in god but really do? what does 9/11 have to do with anything I've said? And by the way, there are 8 planets in our solar system, not 13!!
I can see the resemblance between you and a lower primate and understand how you might conclude evelotion. I believe i am created by a higher, loving being.
Come on, there is no way the Betsy Ross Monster could fly. . . It had no wings. Hell, not even a super hero cape! Pffft. flying that's just crazy! FSM is another story he uses a magic sauce that gets him airborn!!
I dunno I think people are giving this to much attention, if the family and the kid deny t hey want help then screw it. Kids just going to grow up continuing to believe what he believes and hating authority for forcing him to do it. Perosnally it just setting someone up to go into a hospital and start shooting people because of it.
Watching our vidio's on your home page make me laugh. Maybe you can help me understand and to explain. Why would it concern you if this child lives or dies? Being a person who thinks "this is all that there will be for me in this world" .
As a person who supports Constitutional rights, I won't say remove this poor attempt of an uneducated opinion. But i will say...Educate Yourself on what freedom is. A (Right) is granted by god and God alone and no one can limit or take away that right. Regardless of how you feel. In a Republic, the 99% of the population can't tell the 1% what to do. Go to communist China is you wish to live in a world that wishes this type of behavior from thier goverment.
Which god is it exactly that gives this (right) that nobody can take away? Zeus? Poseidon? Buddha? Jehovah? Isis? Anubis? Athena? Horus? Set? Apollo? Odin? Shi? Ishwar? Brahma? Shiba? Yahweh? The flying Spaghetti Monster?
So i could see thier point of view. If this is the way they wish to handle thier situation, i say they know best for their child, not someone like you.
I personally think freedom of religion should not be barred, unless it interferes with other laws, freedoms, and rights. For example, sharia law. Yes, it is apart of their religion, but you don't have a fucking chance in hell of ever getting away with freedom of religion when practicing it in a developed nation because it interferes with so many other rights laws and freedoms.
braedencowbrough 1 month ago
I agree. If you're not familiar, look up the story of Kara Neumann-an 11 year old girl who died (on Easter Sunday, no less) of undiagnosed Type 1 (insulin dependent) Diabetes. Why? Her parents, instead of taking her to the ER/a doctor, "laid hands" on her and PRAYED for her to "get better". I HAVE T1. There IS NO "getting better". She needed INSULIN and IV FLUIDS. I cringe each time I think of Kara, in DKA, slowly dying a painful death because of her parents' ignorance.
eajoseph217 2 months ago
Wow. So God cant heal us? This sounds like an attack on faith. On God.
Tman2010001 4 months ago
What the fuck are you talking about? Basil cures everything. Durrrrrr....
ItsZednotZeeEh 4 months ago
why the canadian flag, your more american than the Bush family.... who the f cares what you think...... mind your own business and take care of your own kids, yet I think you have no kids, for what I see on your other videos your'e gay, and hate black people..
Godlovesblacksonly 5 months ago
I agree with this guy. This is a bit too far. I'm about as liberal as it comes about religious practice (I'm even okay with groups who sacrifice animals as long as it's humane and in accordance with zoning and livestock laws), but running from the cops to keep your kid from getting real medicine is just nuts. This isn't religion, this is delusion. It's more like cult activity than anything.
HoundofOdin 6 months ago
My stepdaughter had ALL (Leukemia) when she was four years old. She went through treatment by chemotherapy. It was horrible. She lost her hair, she was so weak she couldn't hardly move and had to go back to diapers. HOWEVER, it worked. She went in to remission, and stayed in remission, and was cured. Now she is 23 years old and has her own child. It was medicine, not prayer; science, not religion, that saved her. Freedom of religion must end where harm to someone else begins.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
to bad the boy died.
TheJoanjoan18 1 year ago
@TheJoanjoan18 No, he didnt. He got the treatment and is now cancer free. Religion would have killed him but science cured him.
Crosisborg 1 year ago
@Crosisborg Oh well i gues thats good to hear. I heard that he had died, i guess the person who told me was wrong.
TheJoanjoan18 1 year ago
@Crosisborg
How is that any suprise :p.
Londron 1 year ago
Many scientific people in the past also happen to be very faithful adherents. It's only today were so sensitive to titles as if we can't be this if we are that. And that's terrible.
emmthreejonny 1 year ago
@emmthreejonny
We can't be smart when we're stupid. And that's terrible.
Greyh0und 1 year ago
Chemotherapy kills 95% of the people that take it within 5 years, it has a 95% KILL rate! If it had a 95% CURE rate you may have had a point, as it is, you've only proven your ignorance, please do not force your ignorance on others, regardless of religion. You want to KILL this boy, the parents want to let him die peacefully, you are both in the same boat. Stay out of others peoples' business, YOU are condemning this boy to a horrible death by radiation poisoning!
WDeet 1 year ago
@WDeet I know 10+ people that have had Chemo, and only one died within five years, after her cancer had came back. This, to me, invalidates your statement.
Dlerue 1 year ago
this is horrible
WolfTwister 1 year ago
Kids who were raised in strict religious backgrounds are usually denied the right to freedom of Religion. Often times, if they choose to convert when they're older their own family will be sorely disappointed with them. In some cases, parents will literally disown their brethren
Billy7ue32 1 year ago
I've had this debate with circumcision. The problem isn't the need to limit freedom of religion, its the need to make it a law they you can't force your religion onto your children. You should allow them to have their freedom to the persuit of happiness and the freedom of religion, by backing off when it comes to their boundaries.
From an agnostic, not a christian.
abdishtar 1 year ago
The problem is that the parents are confused. If they are Catholic, there is no problem. The issue is that their personal cult of Catholicism doesn't agree. Its not a religious matter, it is a cult matter. This is further proved by no denominations being in Catholicism.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
Where are you getting these facts from? Are you a doctor? WHO ARE YOU??
kevc222ud 2 years ago
should we have freedom of religion? Yes. But the thoughts of the child with cancer should be listened too also to get his point of view. I don't think the community or gov't should step in and force chemotherapy treatment on the boy.
groundskeeperwilly3 2 years ago
Freedom Of Religion should be replaced by Freedom from Religion!
TheCorrectInfo 2 years ago 3
There have always been stories like this, every few years something like this happens. I remember a while back in Canada it was a kid who needed a blood transfusion but her parents were Jehova Witnesses so they were against it. I believe the Doctors usually win in these debates (at least I hope they do).
ddpl365 2 years ago
I agree 1000% I am a Pagan and although I do not like putting chemicals in my body....i have no choice because if i wish to move to take care of my children I must ingest potassium chloride and frankly if my child was dying or in suffering i would pour nuclear waste in their throat if that was the only option I had........anything to ease a childs suffering or prevent death
PhoenixRayneweaver 2 years ago
Religion should have no more freedom or special treatment then any other form of freedom of thought. If the mother instead bought into some conspiracy theory that made her medically neglect her child like the water flouridation conspiracy or the anti-vaccine movie, that wouldn't get special treatment.
technologysucks 2 years ago
i dont believe in hell but if it did these parents would be burning
SilverPolarBear1 2 years ago
You can martyr yourself but you can't martyr your children
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Great video. You're right, I believe.
If assisted suicide is considered illegal and tantamount to willful murder (under current law), then aren't the parents not willfully killing their child? It's not as though they are ignorant or the risks: they are merely religiously belligerent.
But this absolute adherence to a set of beliefs, to the overall detriment of their child, is an example of freedom taken to extremes.
Religion should always be a choice, not a sentence. Hope that kid gets better.
logicaust 2 years ago
i think she just never wanted a kid and this is a way to die w/o her geting a murder charge.....stupid crazy religious freak
shaneyd38 2 years ago
It shows what you think about religion when you said "religious crap". Now, had you ever wonder why all this new sickness have appear in the last 100 years ? Perhaps an indiscriminate use of technology from humans just to make some more money ? The priority of thinks has change but it always should be: GOD, Family and State. Not the other way around
butthefollowing 2 years ago
Religion is the single most harmful idea to ever plague mankind.
Crosisborg 2 years ago 5
That is only when humans try to make religion "work" for its own benefit. Religion MUST be a set of rules (commandments) and principles that lead people to GOD. Then again, I can see that you are a practical atheist and a believer on the State Total Control...
butthefollowing 2 years ago
its ppl that make it harmful. nott religion itself
patton890 2 years ago
@Crosisborg - Hi I'm Communism.
emmthreejonny 1 year ago
Oh Thank You for this opinion!! Here in America we've recently had a similar situation with a couple who had a sick (treatable) baby girl and refused to take her to the hospital (which would have saved her life) in favor of prayer-healing.
She died, and the court decided that the parents were within their rights to with-hold hospital care for their daughter. I was livid, and my husband and I had a very heated discussion about whether or not religious freedom should be restricted...
maradashewolf 2 years ago
further more, i know the scene. all people do is pra for you, and you feel it redundancy in irritation and just want to die or survive. i really have been there.
terrec 2 years ago
what iam saying is, someday radiation will be outdated with hope. but if we allow mandates in the law to determine wich treatments we get, medical research will do no good for anyone. when you employ government into lives, you set starndards, those standards almost never match circumstance.. she prol is nuts but mandating how you can get treatment will be even crazier
terrec 2 years ago
The woman should be charged with manslaughter.
MrPuffyable 2 years ago
should have* if she didn't let him have it., I read in she let him have chemotherapy.
MrPuffyable 2 years ago
There wouldn`t be so many wars and shit if there wasn`t Religion imo
Gcasperr 2 years ago
the decision should be th patitent's. this line of thought of painting the government as more educated is dangerous. Cancer is a serious issue, that cant be fought by streamline medicine. My choices to treat brain cancer, may be different than that of the one with bile duct cancer. you give that power to a judge or a single doctor, many diverse treaments may dissappear. 13 years is old enough to decide. Iam a caner survivor and can tell you i seen those whoe chose death. treatment is hard.
terrec 2 years ago
As a cousin of a little girl who recently overcame neuroblastoma, my view may differ from yours. Cancer is extremely serious, therefore that should be chosen by a group of doctors who experience cancer patiens on a daily basis. Not a thirteen year old acting on the whims of his parents. I'm 16, even i'm easily influenced by different things so no he's not old enough. The treatment is hard, it kills not just the cancer but can kill the spirit. But it does work, prayer is yet to cure cancer.
Improbable0possible 2 years ago
It depends on how much you value life. Cancer treatment can destroy you. I had cancer, I barley survived. Looking back it, I am glad i did. but the problem here is, if you get another form of treatment ( not prayer) and you start mandating what tratment people choose you ultimately will end up sending someone to their death.
terrec 2 years ago
Hope has never cured cancer, radiation has. It does. I've seen exactly what you describe, i'm not saying the government should, i'm saying medical professionals. These are the people who experience each and every circumstance so their experience is surely more useful than the governments.
Improbable0possible 2 years ago
Should the kid be able to decide weather he dies or becomes sick from chemotherapy? Can't he choose a quick painless death of cyanide or something? I would...
unassumption 2 years ago
Science, motherfuckers.
orly444 2 years ago
I support this view and the courts.
Nethercore 2 years ago
Um, good video, but the title's kinda misleading.
SouthPhillyHooligan 2 years ago
The Constitution states that rights may be limited when they endanger other rights, the court ruling forcing the child to undergo treatment was a product of this common sense rule. Therefore our first amendment rights need not be arbitrarily limited before any true harm comes to people.
BL0GD0R 2 years ago 2
Correct
SouthPhillyHooligan 2 years ago
I agree what this guy's saying, I'm a christian, not catholic. What the parents should do is take him to the hospital, get him WHATEVER HE NEEDS WITH THE STUFF WE HAVE TODAY, and PRAY. Now, whats sooo wrong about that? that CHRISTIANS like myself believe? and I don't see anything wrong with prayer.
DJHyperRhythm 2 years ago
That's called a Protestant
SouthPhillyHooligan 2 years ago
This guy was a good person he had a lot of good points to be made. I must ask, why did he kill a woman and himself?
colonelmcscurvey 2 years ago
I'm concerned. The government is overriding her choice, though I totally agree with the hospital being the better way. Setting religion aside, I'm just asking whether the government has the right to do this.
xXVoiceOfThePeopleXx 2 years ago
Some people...
zumbrella927 2 years ago
God can heal and the body can heal itself, but there is also a place for medication. It is fine to have faith and trust God but its only common sense, that doctors and hispitals and treatment also have its place, basic common sense. That mother should take her child to the hosptial and save his life and allow him to live longer with the help of medicine, at the same time people can pray and trust God, but dont deny medication.
GospelOfJesusChrist 2 years ago
FUCK OFF CATHOLIC!!!!!!!
colonelmcscurvey 2 years ago
What's the problem with what this guys saying? he's not a catholic, all he's saying is. When your child is sick, take him to the doctor to treat with medication, what normal people would do, AND pray for him. That's all.
DJHyperRhythm 2 years ago
I'm on the fence. I do not think that the government should be able to supercede a patients decision on treatment option, or in this case the parents choice considering the child is a minor. On the other hand Most patients who are able to be successfully treated, go on to live full and normal lives. Hodgkin lymphoma was one of the first cancers which could be cured using radiation therapy and, later chemotherapy, with a survival rate of around 90% So I can see why the Gov is involved.
similac295 2 years ago
For a religion to disallow modern day medicine is bullshit. Think of it this way, if a god or goddess exist and don't want us to use modern medicine to cure illness then why the hell would he/she/it/they give us the knowledge and natural resources to discover these cures to these illnesses?
Justinfh2point0 2 years ago
Ha ha, hilarious. How do you define health? Especially mental health. Whatever you decide would only be arbitrary anyway. And then requesting that the state, a group of people with a monopoly on policy and the use of violence, should be allowed to enforce that arbitrary definition? It's ludicrous.
Your concern for the wellbeing of children is laudable, but your tactics for achieving it are misguided.
Jcolinsol 2 years ago
sorry you can fight them with your freedom of speech/media but an assault on one freedom of expression is an assault on all forms of expression
vmoore5176 2 years ago
Hey. I don't like some of your other videos, but this one is very good.
DavidLynch007 2 years ago
So now a person's personal beliefs are to take a backseat - in your opinion - to that of the government? You really are a disgrace to that flag in the background because with what you preach you should instead have the banner of communist or fascist state! My child - my responsibility -- not yours and not some over-bearing government!
sensfaninohio 2 years ago
This video is ridiculous. Now the state can take control of our bodies???
Chemo is the only way? according to you.
wizkid2000 2 years ago
You want to limit freedom of religion in relastion to parents toward their children. That is a terrible idea. ¡This could eventually lead to outlawing the right of parents to sacrifice their children to the gods!
It is important to remember that until the age of majority children are mere property. If parents want to earn money by letting pædophiles rape their children for money, that is a parental right.
Walabio 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and freedom of religion should not be restricted even for this. The general public's opinion does not have to automatically apply to people even though they are incredibly retarded. They need to be able to do what they feel will help the most, it is none of our business. Of course, if the kid wants the therapy, he will get it, it's his choice.
eragon2121 2 years ago 5
Prop8 upheld...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
saturnwhinefilms 2 years ago
Okay, well. It's NOT about religion. It's about curing an illness with God given NATURAL Foods and Herbs. IT WORKS, without poisoning everything else in the body. We should have the freedom to treat our illnesses the way WE CHOOSE! The child may not have be "informed" but I'm sure the parents had done a great deal of remade such a drastic decision. search before they
bweezy123 2 years ago 4
I think you are stupid in thinking that that's going to help (sorry, it's the truth), but I agree that you should have the freedom to do whatever you want in these situations unless the child disagrees. It's none of the rest of society's business in the slightest.
eragon2121 2 years ago
Its not the truth. I think you are foolish to think the companies you charge with treating cancer have any interest at all in curing it. The patent holders, starts with 'Rock' and ends with 'Ella', on most of the vaccines, radium and chemotherapy are strong believers in population reduction. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Its simple math, they poison us, then sell us the TREATMENT, not the CURE, taking every last penny till we die. Psychopathic economics 101. If you don't believe me do some research.
Lazyboy0008 2 years ago
We don't have a cure invented. And chemotherapy and radiation have been proven to work, lol. Am I wrong?
eragon2121 2 years ago
Chemo and radiation cure Hodgkins so lazyboy is a bit off the mark here.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
Why use chemicals that are dangerous instead of a natural alternative which can help. The big Pharma companies influence doctors (through incentives, and training in medical schools) and researchers(fund the research which backs their claims) and profit only if you use there methods. How can you "kidnap" your own child? The mom wants to protect her child. I thought we had the freedom of "choice" in this country? not that Im for it. why can moms kill babies and she cant try an alternative cure?
crazynatedog 2 years ago
I believe they should be able to do whatever they want, but I'm pretty sure that chemotherapy and radiation have been scientifically proven to be better treatments than eating good food or something.
eragon2121 2 years ago
Why is it so difficult for you to understand? Isn't it true that radiation can cause cancer? It's been proven since the 30's that exposure to radiation can cause cancer. So how does something that's proven to cause cancer cure it?
mickeysears 2 years ago
So does high dose IV vitamin C, so does Essaic Tea but if a doctor claims as much they loose their license. There is evidence to show Hodgkins is caused by early vaccinations (like most chronic illness') provided by the very companies that later sell you the Chemo and Radiation therapy. Are you are getting a clearer picture now? They create the disease then sell the treatment. Until you understand the psyche of the elite you will continue you to think they have you're best interests at heart.
Lazyboy0008 2 years ago
But they don't really want you dead... they want you to live as long as you can so they can suck every penny they can out of you... until you're dead. So... they give you chemo and rad .. damaging your kidneys... so that can give you kidney treatments... until you have to be on dialysis... and until your liver goes bad so that can give you liver meds... etc. etc. etc.
bweezy123 2 years ago
I agree totally.
Domzdream 2 years ago
A 13 year old does not have the cognitive capacity to truly appreciate the implications of their own decisions.
The parents ought to be stuffed and burned for both attempting to evade treatment that might help him live (90% chance with chemo apparently), and for putting these dangerous crackpot ideas into his head.
It's frightening to think that medieval ideas are even challenged in a court of law, when they should be "educated out" of people's lives.
eloisecm 2 years ago
When is a person old enough to have the cognitive capacity to truly appreciate the implications of their own decisions? 14? 15? 16? Plus if what you're saying is true then what about girls who get abortion without parental consent? It was the boy's decision and we do not have the right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his own body.
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago
"When is a person old enough to have the cognitive capacity to truly appreciate the implications of their own decisions? 14? 15? 16"
Let's use your question and go backwards - 10? 6?.. what about 3?
It is a slippery slope. I would suggest that with no medical impairment, the legal age to die for one's country would be a good measure...
"what about girls who get abortion without parental consent"
I guess a 13 year old with religious fuckwits as parents stands a better chance at a decent life.
eloisecm 2 years ago
(cont)
"It was the boy's decision"
You cannot, in all seriousness expect a 13 year old to make an educated, reasoned, and most importantly unbiased decision on his own life for a prognosis & related treatment plan.
You need to remember that until around the age of 14/15, young teens are still very much fledglings. They believe what their parents tell them, & they have not yet questioned their identity.
eloisecm 2 years ago
(cont)
"we do not have the right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his own body."
We have the *obligation* to give him the most beneficial treatment, until such a time as he can make an *informed* decision for himself.
If, according to you, we should let every 13 year old decide and do what they wished - no matter how insanely crazy & counter productive or counter-intuitive, the schools - for a start - would be empty..... Think about what you're advocating.
eloisecm 2 years ago
Actually, ummm perhaps next time when I call someone a moronic ass it shouldn't be when I am piss drunk. But, thanks for your concern.
laxguy22655 2 years ago
Finally, a voice of logic. Well said, crosisborg.
triad14k 2 years ago
And there you have it friends,
another incredibly boring and weak minded video from your favorite liberal, Crosisborg, a legend in his own mind. Tune in next week when this half pint of a man explains why 2+2 does not equal 4. Perhaps you wont fall asleep half way through but we make no promises. If only he spent as much time in a gym as he does showing us what a friggen idiot he is.
toowise44you 2 years ago
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!!!
I am somewhat familiar with this case....and I was somewhat torn by the issue of necessary treatment and freedom of choice....but 13 years old and he CAN'T READ?!
What the fucK!? Forget the cancer...these people have issues! I haven't heard this until now. Where is this coming from?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
By the title of your video you're pushing your beliefs onto others, the very thing this video seems to be against. I'm not saying what the family did was right, but who are you to say what they should and should not believe. My mom's BFF has cancer and treatments have made her more sick than the disease itself.
spucy 2 years ago 3
You're mom's friend is old enough to choose what she wants to do.
andrewrberkshire 2 years ago
And I'm old enough to take care of my own children. The government can keep it's nose out of my business.
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago 2
If you choose to take action that will directly result in your child's death, you have freely relinquished your right to parent.
andrewrberkshire 2 years ago
They want their son to live and they believe they are doing what right. Who decides what's best for another man's son? People should lose their rights for sending their children to school in Detroit then. Muslims are alowd to kill their children, they don't lose any rights and most times aren't even charged with a crime.
Acertain1 2 years ago
"Who decides what's best for another man's son?"
When it comes to illness, a fucking doctor, not a religious nut parent willing to let their child die. How does muslims getting away with shit make it somehow better for christian's to do the same? Terrible logic.
andrewrberkshire 2 years ago
No dip shit, that's not what he meant. Muslims do not lose rights to their children even though they're allowed to literally kill their children. These people are only seeking an alternative and they certainly don't intend to kill their son. You need to come to terms with your hang-up with religious people. It is none of our damn business what they believe or how they raise their child.
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago 2
So according to you, a parent has the right to beat, rape and torture their child if a religion tells them it's ok, and everyone else should mind their business? Good thing you're not in charge of the world.
andrewrberkshire 2 years ago
How did you come up with that?
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago
She is try to protect and help her son, not molest him. If she had ill intent then I think Child protection should step in. They are(the media) are just trying to deamonize her and make everyone who seeks an alternative look like a "religious loon" and a danger to society, which is totally bs.
crazynatedog 2 years ago
Yes. Religion is stupid, but this is their choice and not anyone else's fucking choice. Fuck off poeople, you can't force them to go along with whatyou thin will work the best, that's not how it works. It's none ofyour business.
eragon2121 2 years ago
No idiot. Those things are all against the law. Refusing treatment isn't and should never be against the law. Since when did the government get to decide what we do with our own personal health. Fucking stupid.
eragon2121 2 years ago
Regardless of their intentions, if a doctor knows he is capable of saving a child from dying he should be able to just do it, regardless of what the parents religious beliefs are.
EchoZeroX 2 years ago
No, not if they object. It's their choice, not the people around them. I think they are stupid, but society's opinion on their problem shouldn't be more valuable than their opinion since it's their problem to deal with. They should be able to do whatever they want unless the kid wants chemotherapy.
eragon2121 2 years ago
The kid is young and clearly uneducated. Someone has to step in on his behalf and sort this shit out. If he was competent and a little older, sure let him make his own decision.
joeltcola 2 years ago
Until then, it should be his parents decision. They come over everyone else's opinion. Why? Because it's their kid, not our kid. I don't care how stupid it is, but they should be able to refuse treatment as long as they want to.
eragon2121 2 years ago
Well I agree to a point. But in this case, the parents are making a fucktarded decision. And every situation deserves it's own independent assessment. And in this case the state should have every right to deny the parents their rights.
joeltcola 2 years ago
I disagree, the state should not be in charge of your body. It's their kid, the state is only there to provide necessary governing not assess people's individual decisions and make decisions for them. Yes, these people are a minority in that they think this will help them, but that's none of the state's business. Even if the kid has been brainwashed into this, there is nothing we can or should do. The state doesn't own us or our bodies.
eragon2121 2 years ago
Okay, let the kid die then. That's what you're saying. Right...
joeltcola 2 years ago
Yes. Some times you have to make sacrifices for what is right. And stop acting like it would be our fault if we didn't interfere. They are the only people to blame for this, the state would only be minding its bounds by not forcing other people's beliefs down the throats of people who don't believe in them. I'ts their fucking business. Just think what they would say if chemo therapy didn't end up working.
eragon2121 2 years ago
So you're saying a minor has the ability to make that decision, so do you think a child should be able to have sex with an adult if they want to?
EchoZeroX 2 years ago
No, don't be a fucking idiot. If the child wants this treatment, that's his own choice, it doesn't affect anyone else. The 'majority' doesn't own him. The only time we should make decisions governing other people's lives is if it affects other people.
eragon2121 2 years ago
No, don't be a fucking idiot. If the child wants to have sex with an adult, thats his own choice, it doesnt affect anyone else. The 'majority' doesn't own him. The only time we should make decisions governing other people's lives is if it affects other people.
EchoZeroX 2 years ago
No idiot. The child might want to but the adult would be the decider for it happening. And if found out, the adult would go to jail. So IT DOES affect someone else.
mickeysears 2 years ago
The parents will be talking the child into listening to them, just like someone who wanted to have sex with a child would, they are both the same situation. Yes the adult in the sexual situation would go to jail, because he is talking a child into making a decision that they aren't mature enough to make for themselves, just like chemotherapy.
JDBlessin 2 years ago
Sorry but that's not the scenario as explained.
EchoZeroX said " If the child wants to have sex with an adult, thats his own choice, it doesnt affect anyone else."
You're talking about something different.
mickeysears 2 years ago
EchoZeroX was replying to eragon2121 by interchanging the words "this treatement" with "wants to have sex with an adult." He was showing that the situation is the same. If a child is mature enough to make a life or death decision then explain to me why they couldnt make a sexual decision?
JDBlessin 2 years ago
The situation is not the same. The child not accepting treatment affects only him. Having sex with an adult affects not just the kid but the adult as well. To say no to treatment takes one, to have sex takes two. You're just wrong on this. Accept it and move on.
mickeysears 2 years ago
So when a child chooses to die, you dont think that affects the parents or the doctors who are treating them?
JDBlessin 2 years ago
pwn3d
flyeaglesfly815 2 years ago
Again two different things.
If a child chooses to die, of course that will EMOTIONALLY affect the parents. But in the case of an adult having sex with a child because the child wants to? First of all that's pretty stupid scenario because the adult would also have to want to. So right there it's not the same because two are making the decision not one. But if caught, the adult would likely go to jail which directly affects the adult more than the previous case.
mickeysears 2 years ago
But if that adult tells the child he or she has AIDS and the child chooses to get them and die,. then it is okay, that's what you're saying.
flyeaglesfly815 2 years ago
What the hell are YOU talking about?
mickeysears 2 years ago
Yes the adult would go to jail because a child is not emotionally capable of making such a decision. Jesus christ dude.
JDBlessin 2 years ago
Wake up man.
I'm not talking about the decisions themselves. I'm talking about the two different scenareos are not the same.
mickeysears 2 years ago
Wtf is a "scenareos"? Sounds like a Pokemon.
flyeaglesfly815 2 years ago
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xXVoiceOfThePeopleXx 2 years ago
Thats not the point, the point is that if a child can make a life or death choice, why shouldnt it be okay to have sex with children as long as they consent.
JDBlessin 2 years ago
Are you now going to try to come up with every conceivable scenareo to try and make a point that's already shown to be wrong? You're comments are starting to show that some wouldn't be able to make an educated and reasonable decision no matter how old they are.
mickeysears 2 years ago
and im done, you're too stupid sorry.
JDBlessin 2 years ago
Obviously your a dumbass. All you can do is mock my comment to try to make your point.
eragon2121 2 years ago
I wasnt mocking your comment, I was making a useful analogy.
JDBlessin 2 years ago
You might as well make it illegal to commit suicide. Just stop trying to control people's lives, no matter how fucking stupid they are.
eragon2121 2 years ago
forcing beliefs and manipulating the child's mind to force the choice to not get treatment is not freedom.
TheGeckoNinja 2 years ago
You assume that they "Force" beliefs because they're religious but when parents are homosexual or atheists it's assumed they will not force beliefs. These people have the right to raise this child however they see fit. I don't understand Americans, you abort millions of babies a year, you go on and on about freedom of choice but you always want to control someone's private business. This is what you Americans always say. "It's none of your business"
Acertain1 2 years ago
your pathetic oh abortion waaa waaa waaa well you know what a fetus doesnt have a functional brain and no feelings. so who is more fucked up here the ones that are pro choice or the ones that allow a preventable death to occur your the hypocrite not the pro choicer's. Oh its killing a life sorry but 8 cells doesnt qualify as life but yet you can condone someone allowing their son who has a fully functionging body and brain to die wow you are a special breed of moronic ass .
laxguy22655 2 years ago
Fuck you; you dip shit cum eating mother fucker.
"Their son who has a fully functioning body and brain"
Damn right! If it was a 13 year old girl wanting an abortion you'd be all for it but when a 13 year old boy wants freedom to choose want he can or cannot do with his own body you crucify the parents you empty headed bastard. You don't have a functional brain and no feelings either but we aren't killing you unfortunately. FUCK YOU!
Acertain1 2 years ago
Oh I see. A troll. Very good.
eloisecm 2 years ago
dude chill out and be civilized on your posts. I know he attacked you but why sink to his level? You hurt the image of others with your view point when you do that. People are being conditioned( through the media) to believe that those who are pro-life and pro-natural healing(generally Christians) are nuts and are a danger to society just check out the home grown terrorist act and the "hate crimes" bill.
crazynatedog 2 years ago
Fucking idiot, how does someone so stupid still manage to breathe?
Acertain1 2 years ago
Next time you call someone a "Special breed of moronic ass." You might want to first check your spelling, punctuation and application of capitol lettering.
I'm just sayin'
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago 2
"8 cells" wtf so your saying that a fetus is not a human and has no feeling therefore who gives a shit? I do... but his argument was we shouldnt control other's private business, it has to go both ways, if we dont care about what women do with their pre-born babies then why should we care if a woman wants to explore other means for a cure for her son?
crazynatedog 2 years ago
take bio 102 in college sometime might open your eyes up to alot. and no she is'nt trying to cure her son. as the saying goes give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish he eats for the rest of his life. Give man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
laxguy22655 2 years ago 5
I know that. I only added that comment in to clarify that if the kid disagreed with the parents it would be the kids choice first.
eragon2121 2 years ago
I agree that they are, but that's subjective,nothing the government can say anything to. What the fuck. You could see anything as brainwashing your child, even just teaching them good manners. The government has no say over what you think of people teaching their kids religion, the government is not there to interfere on people's lives on issues that you happen to disagree with. Don't be an idiot.
eragon2121 2 years ago 2
"Freedom of Religion Must Be Limited"
Yea there were a lot of dictators that thought that too. There is a reason why America has that as it's very first amendment. To keep the government from dictating what you can believe and say. And if the government doesn't want people to have that, there's always The Second Amendment.
mickeysears 2 years ago 3
There is the freedom of belief and then the freedom to act.
Have the freedom to worship whatever stones you like, but don't expect the freedom to throw them at people.
gabiotta 2 years ago
Yet when ppl start letting ppl die because of there beliefs, this is going to far.
How many have to die before someone goes, "Maybe we are going to far".
Krensharpaw 2 years ago 2
It's funny you say that on Memorial Day. Didn't our soldiers die for something they believed in? Didn't the parents let their children go to war knowing they could die for a belief? Maybe by your definition, war should be abolished. That's something I could endorse.
mickeysears 2 years ago 5
I do believe war should be gotten rid of, since it does nothing, but destroy.
Krensharpaw 2 years ago
Great!!!
But I guess you missed the point of the comment.
mickeysears 2 years ago
War isn't like a car that you can decide to throw away like trash. Sometimes, it liberates people.
Acertain1 2 years ago
50 million people have been aborted, maybe we are going too far.
1derfulnumberer 2 years ago 2
He talks about the rights of the U.S. constitution with a Canadian flag hanging in the background. I don't know where he's (Literally and figuratively speaking) coming from but I understand that American is a Constitutional Republic and Limiting Freedom is the stupidest thing Ive ever heard of. Is this guy from the states or from Canada?
Acertain1 2 years ago 3
freedom to let you child die is no freedom at all
Jesse54b 2 years ago
Technically, that would be freedom, but anyway deciding what kind of treatment he or she gets is freedom. Are you from the U.S.? Are you Pro-choice? People choose to let their children die by the droves. If it were me, I'd try the treatments first but if that didn't work I'd be trying everything under the sun to save my childs life. They're not Letting him die" they're trying alternative medicines. Even if they were letting him die, don't Americans have Dr. Kevorkian?
Acertain1 2 years ago 3
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freedomsfart 2 years ago
I fear for Daniel's future even if the State is able to find and save him. What a messed up life he'll lead without proper education and this rather traumatic event.
Demonaphia 2 years ago
Planets do not collect gravity. You have obviously no education.
freedomsfart 2 years ago
Religious institutions should be taxed the same way psychics, palm readers, and other huxters are.
freedomsfart 2 years ago 2
Thank you crosis! Couldn't have put it better myself. <3
This is just so sad and frustrating. That poor kid. D:
NikiPaprika 2 years ago
Ancient people discovered many things but they didnt "just know it". Have you ever been to school?
Drazha 2 years ago
What in the world is a fake atheist? I religious nut in the closet? And what the hell does 9/11 have to do with this video? I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with 9/11.
Drazha 2 years ago
bro, first and foremost..... 8 planets with 4 dwarf planets(one of which is pluto). Secondly Jupiter is most commonly used planet to symbols god like figure of the highest measure (zues etc). Jupiter also has rings... just throwing that one in there too.
Drazha 2 years ago
You know, having been there...I am not sure Chemo and Radiation is always the way to go.
And I say that not from any religious beliefs. I just saw what radiation does to a person. It is not good. It hurts and it can ruin the quality of life.
JoesRambles 2 years ago
What is a fake atheist? Someone who says they don't believe in god but really do? what does 9/11 have to do with anything I've said? And by the way, there are 8 planets in our solar system, not 13!!
raistlin072 2 years ago
I can see the resemblance between you and a lower primate and understand how you might conclude evelotion. I believe i am created by a higher, loving being.
usmil 2 years ago
It's evolution, moron. I imagine you're opposed to it because you have a losing hand in the poker game that is life.
freedomsfart 2 years ago
double pffffft!
raistlin072 2 years ago
Come on, there is no way the Betsy Ross Monster could fly. . . It had no wings. Hell, not even a super hero cape! Pffft. flying that's just crazy! FSM is another story he uses a magic sauce that gets him airborn!!
raistlin072 2 years ago
I dunno I think people are giving this to much attention, if the family and the kid deny t hey want help then screw it. Kids just going to grow up continuing to believe what he believes and hating authority for forcing him to do it. Perosnally it just setting someone up to go into a hospital and start shooting people because of it.
xonoma 2 years ago
Watching our vidio's on your home page make me laugh. Maybe you can help me understand and to explain. Why would it concern you if this child lives or dies? Being a person who thinks "this is all that there will be for me in this world" .
usmil 2 years ago
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usmil 2 years ago
As a person who supports Constitutional rights, I won't say remove this poor attempt of an uneducated opinion. But i will say...Educate Yourself on what freedom is. A (Right) is granted by god and God alone and no one can limit or take away that right. Regardless of how you feel. In a Republic, the 99% of the population can't tell the 1% what to do. Go to communist China is you wish to live in a world that wishes this type of behavior from thier goverment.
usmil 2 years ago
Which god is it exactly that gives this (right) that nobody can take away? Zeus? Poseidon? Buddha? Jehovah? Isis? Anubis? Athena? Horus? Set? Apollo? Odin? Shi? Ishwar? Brahma? Shiba? Yahweh? The flying Spaghetti Monster?
raistlin072 2 years ago
You never saw George Carlins "It's Bad for Ya", did you?
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 years ago
So i could see thier point of view. If this is the way they wish to handle thier situation, i say they know best for their child, not someone like you.
usmil 2 years ago