Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
@ComradeFlorian31 makes no difference. You are still reading his interpretation not your own, its his path not yours. As a result you will at best be like the guy in the vid who thinks he knows something while not actually knowing or understanding anything.
Like the taiji example, its not even a matter of knowing but a matter of logic and understanding that taiji (being rooted in taosim) MUST have sharp and strong stuff opposed to the soft and fluid = yin and yang, BASIC stuff
@Buuub08 yes I use Waley's translation but I've also checked others and in the main they seem to agree with each other. Daodejing has been translated in Romanian as well but this translation seems rather poor to me so I stick with Waley's.
Great Book anyway, one of the best I've ever read. It easily beats the Bible and it beats the Quran too
Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
My understanding of tao is best illustrated by a quote from the Tao the Ching by Stephen Mitchell-" the clearer out insight into what is beyond good and evil, the more we can embody the good."
@zoticus1 you are wrong dao and Tao is same they are teaching of religion of Taoist get this clear...the founder of dao is confusion and he is a Taoist god ...
@zoticus1 ....actually Taoism is both a philosophy and religion. It all depends on which you choose to practice and different schools of Taoism practice both to some degree. Tao-chia is the philosophical study and practice of Lao Tzu and the Tao Te Ching. Religiious Taoism is called Tao-chiao which regards Lao Tzu as a saint and does have its own temples, priests, rites and pantheon of deities. Myself, I practice Tao-chia, I prefer the philosophical over dogma.
@caboose176545 ....you can. Many Chinese practice both as well as Buddhism and Ancestral folklore. Chinese have always practiced Religious pluralism. For many of us, Confucianism is practiced for proper social interaction and Taoism for individual spiritual growth and balance.
The questions asked are very good, but I am afraid to say that the speaker’s knowledge of Daosim and Confucianism is very much distorted and superficial. I do not like to say so, but I feel a sense of responsibility to say so because people who do not know much about Daoism and Confucianism will get misinformed and misled.
@jcahweng You are quite right. But I think the author's main consideration is that, the audiences of his book are mainly for general Western readers, and he does need to make his book easier for the Western readers to understand, he got the main ideas right and is suffice for the beginners of Eastern philosophy. If he's writing for a academic research, perhaps he could be more specific on the topic.
@IKNFLY666 I had the feeling that he gave everything but he sounds like he read something about daoism in wikipedia and did not understand the whole thing. right in the beginning "living live to the fullest", "death end job", "back to nature" these are just wrong interpretations. what should the western reader learn from wrong information?
@jcahweng Well, he's only speaking for about 13 minutes -I wouldn't judge his knowledge considering that. In fact, my point of view is that he does a great job presenting the basics of both philosophies to the general audience.
Make decisions without too much reflection? Wow talk about not taking responsibility. Evangelicals are anti-intellectuals! Amazing I guess I have to give an apology all the people I have shard the gospel with. What an arrogant belief this man has. h t t p : / / tiny url . com / 9eu9
The speakers sound like pretentious evangelicals.
SanguineBullet667 1 week ago
Western society understands squat about Dao.
Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
Buuub08 2 months ago
@Buuub08 I use Arthur Waley's translation
ComradeFlorian31 3 days ago
@ComradeFlorian31 makes no difference. You are still reading his interpretation not your own, its his path not yours. As a result you will at best be like the guy in the vid who thinks he knows something while not actually knowing or understanding anything.
Like the taiji example, its not even a matter of knowing but a matter of logic and understanding that taiji (being rooted in taosim) MUST have sharp and strong stuff opposed to the soft and fluid = yin and yang, BASIC stuff
Buuub08 3 days ago
@Buuub08 yes I use Waley's translation but I've also checked others and in the main they seem to agree with each other. Daodejing has been translated in Romanian as well but this translation seems rather poor to me so I stick with Waley's.
Great Book anyway, one of the best I've ever read. It easily beats the Bible and it beats the Quran too
ComradeFlorian31 3 days ago
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Western society understands squat about Dao.
Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
Buuub08 2 months ago
Western society understands squat about Dao.
Reading Dao De Jing in English loses the whole idea as its subject to interpretation. The whole purpose is to understand it in your own way, interpret it for yourself. When you read a translated text you inject the translators interpretation, makes it confusing and thats about it.
Also, Taiji has plenty of sharp and aggressive movements, but as typical in the west you were subject to 2ndary sources, thus you never heard of the 2nd routine of taiji.
Buuub08 2 months ago
My understanding of tao is best illustrated by a quote from the Tao the Ching by Stephen Mitchell-" the clearer out insight into what is beyond good and evil, the more we can embody the good."
MPedroful 2 months ago
@zoticus1 you are wrong dao and Tao is same they are teaching of religion of Taoist get this clear...the founder of dao is confusion and he is a Taoist god ...
marshallchua 4 months ago
@marshallchua ....the founder of Tao is "confusion"?
geekeing 3 months ago
Dao is not religion, get your shit straight.
zoticus1 4 months ago
@zoticus1 ....actually Taoism is both a philosophy and religion. It all depends on which you choose to practice and different schools of Taoism practice both to some degree. Tao-chia is the philosophical study and practice of Lao Tzu and the Tao Te Ching. Religiious Taoism is called Tao-chiao which regards Lao Tzu as a saint and does have its own temples, priests, rites and pantheon of deities. Myself, I practice Tao-chia, I prefer the philosophical over dogma.
geekeing 3 months ago
Some wrong points.
I hope it won't confuse people that's watching it and get the wrong idea.
PirateKing1256 4 months ago
I love Confucianism but i also like alot of aspects of Taoism, I want to mix the two :]
caboose176545 4 months ago
@caboose176545 ....you can. Many Chinese practice both as well as Buddhism and Ancestral folklore. Chinese have always practiced Religious pluralism. For many of us, Confucianism is practiced for proper social interaction and Taoism for individual spiritual growth and balance.
geekeing 3 months ago
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BioCapsule 4 months ago
The questions asked are very good, but I am afraid to say that the speaker’s knowledge of Daosim and Confucianism is very much distorted and superficial. I do not like to say so, but I feel a sense of responsibility to say so because people who do not know much about Daoism and Confucianism will get misinformed and misled.
jcahweng 9 months ago 11
@jcahweng You are quite right. But I think the author's main consideration is that, the audiences of his book are mainly for general Western readers, and he does need to make his book easier for the Western readers to understand, he got the main ideas right and is suffice for the beginners of Eastern philosophy. If he's writing for a academic research, perhaps he could be more specific on the topic.
IKNFLY666 8 months ago 7
@IKNFLY666 I had the feeling that he gave everything but he sounds like he read something about daoism in wikipedia and did not understand the whole thing. right in the beginning "living live to the fullest", "death end job", "back to nature" these are just wrong interpretations. what should the western reader learn from wrong information?
surfkost 2 months ago
@IKNFLY666 Yeap, he might still be learning too.
MrOldestPerson 1 month ago
@jcahweng Well, he's only speaking for about 13 minutes -I wouldn't judge his knowledge considering that. In fact, my point of view is that he does a great job presenting the basics of both philosophies to the general audience.
strangelittleboy 7 months ago
@jcahweng
Yes, he see Daoism the way he wants to see Daoism.
ronin752 3 months ago
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