Ugh.. Archer, if you were a 121 pilot, you'd know that George really sucks at flying the plane. If you wan't to give the folks a smooth ride, you either have to persuade george using various FD modes, or hand fly it yourself. Just because we have a flight director, doesn't mean that using it makes flying easier. For instance, on a visual, a lot of times I just turn the flight director off, because it is easier to fly the plane to the runway than to tell the FD to tell me how to fly.
@zopepope Sorry buddy I do fly 121, I've just never flown at a regional, and the stories I hear amuse me more than anything. I think I made that comment about the time that a Pinnacle Airlines CA kicked back a flight because the Autopilot was MEL'd, which had me laughing for a while.
Ego aside, the automation is there for our protection. When you fly professionally for a living the last thing you need is to be violated for busting a heading or altitude. Remember that a slight deviation can get you violated. Fatigue would quickly set in from either a long leg or multiple medium legs. Not to mention the increased stress from hand flying raw data all day long. It not that we cant do it, it's just easier with automation
archer49d, when you select speed mode after rotation you are still hand flying the plane. The flight director will indicate the pitch angle to be used to climb at the speed you set. When I flew I hand flew it until 21,000 feet then I would turn on the autopilot. Of course sometimes I would turn on the autopilot at 400 feet and let george fly it.
@flyifrvfr Flight Directors are another one of my pet peeves, I prefer the all manual all day long routine, actually get to do something instead of push buttons that way. And from what I hear they pretty much force you to push buttons all day in the regionals.
If you're doing "all manual all day long", then you're not flying in the airlines. There's plenty to be done when the ground is going by at 9 miles a minute into JFK, DCA, DTW, IAH, or any number of places that airlines travel in a day. You can't fly manual all day, every day for 5 days for 7 hours a day, 14 hours duty and 9 hours of sleep. If you say you can, then you're either unsafe, or lying.
@macgriffyn What if you're flying between 4 and 6 - 20 minutes sectors one or two days a week? The only time we use the A/P is on long trips in cruise only.
However, what I was referring to in my statement was F/Ds, don't like them and they serve no useful purpose to a good pilot.
As to your last statement, I've works for many airlines in the past without A/Ps and we flew all week without APs for 5 or more hours a day. Call it unsafe or lying, but I bet you're just spoiled; with a case of SJS.
You are either unsafe, lying, or flying single engine Cessnas into class D and E airspace. No one who has to actually operate airliners in congested Class A and B airspace, all weather, at high speeds would say that using an autopilot is spoiled. Fly 1-2 hour legs, 7-8 hours a day with 12-14 hour days into areas like JFK, DCA, DTW, and PHL with VNAV departures where you are required to use an FD and autopilot, than you know better...but I bet you're an amateur with a case of SJ envy.
@macgriffyn Don't be so sure of yourself, I've never seen a HAL 717 on autopilot when on approach( or any of the other island carriers). To which I'd like to add that you should try finding an old Lear, Boeing, Douglas or Beech which has an autopilot that's actually useful for more than course and altitude hold (not acquisition). Flying the plane with the buttons isn't flying the plane, and the level to which it is being forced down pilot's throats is shocking and dilutes basic piloting skills.
Four and 6 minute legs? It takes us longer than that to taxi to the runway! ONE or TWO days a week? FIVE hours a day? HAH! Yeah...those guys fly more hours in a week than you can get in a month. No wonder you think an autopilot is not something that a "good pilot" needs...with little chump flights like that. How long are your "long trips"...half an hour? I thought you were really working. Never mind...you don't need a autopilot...
@macgriffyn Four to Six 20 minute legs... clear enough?
Longer trips are 5 hours each way. Regardless of which we still climb to altitude manually. Sorry about having a good job that doesn't have me driven like a slave. Speaking of which, sounds to me like you might be suffering from chronic fatigue it pushing a few buttons is "really working". Pretty sad to think that you might be too tired one day to fly the plane if the AP and FD give up the ghost.
Oh, you fly in Hawaii? AH. That explains a lot. You ARE flying Cessnas...or Pipers...Archer. Must be nice to have such pretty weather all the time. I doubt you've been on every 717 on approach, and I know you've never done a CAT III into JFK. Pretty sad to think that you believe that we can't handle an approach without an autopilot...or that having one makes someone a worse pilot.
@macgriffyn I was trying to be relatively cordial with you, regarding my distaste for overuse of Autocoupled approaches, but it's relatively pointless, one of your mistakes is assuming I've only flown in Hawaii (I rarely if ever see an AK Air flight on AP as well, and I've flown thousands of hours of up there as well, in weather I'll place a bet on you wouldn't go out in). As I've said before, if you can't/don't hand fly, then I'll look down on you, no matter how much you think of yourself.
I think you might be suffering from the wannabe's if you think flying in the Northeast isn't work...buttons or not. But, if you spend some time flying where it's not pretty all the time, perhaps you'd gather an appreciation for what that is like...and you'd be less inclined be condescending...especially when to read what you say shows how little experience you have.
Look down on me and I'll reach up and snatch you off your high horse, prop job. You can be "relatively cordial" without impugning the ability of other aviators. One of your mistakes is talking trash when you're barely able to understand the operational necessity of airliners and the need for autocoupled approaches in high density, poor weather conditions. If you expect me to believe that AK doesn't fly on auto, I know you're full of it...because it's used all the time.
@macgriffyn Still on my high horse, come on then where's the snatching. Funny to me that you make claims of high density environments, meanwhile dozens of old Lears and Beeches are flying into the same places without the luxuries you preach of. You're spoiled, deal with it.
Quit playing runescape and get a real job, poser. Take the hula girl off your dashboard, lose the gay white hat, and quit acting like you know anything about airliners.
Waiting on me? You want me to come visit you in Hawaii, or Alaska, or Cortez...or wherever you want to say you are? You gonna fly me out there in your Piper, or your Beech...perhaps your 727?
@macgriffyn Not only do you have issues with being spoiled, apparently you stalk for a hobby, and I would make a point to deny you a jumpseat if I ever ran into you, so travel on your own.
I'm not so much stalking as guys that I know are. They've got interesting jobs, weird hobbies, and more time than I do. They find your constant trolling on aviation websites, sim forums, and computer games to be amusing...and keep sending me stuff. They're bugging the hell out of me, really. Either way, son, I don't need your jumpseat. Cessna 207's aren't something that I need to travel on...I'm more spoiled than that...first class only.
@macgriffyn Your obsession is amusing, have fun with it. Your last statement says it all. If I'm trolling, it's exactly what I'm going for. If I'm serious then your degeneration would be funny if it wasn't so sad. If you want the last word you can have it, but I stand by my opinion on overuse of automation.
Thousands of hours in weather I wouldn't go out in? Oh, please, wannabe...you just want to whip them out and measure? No pilot older than 16 would say something so completely amateur as to start throwing your log book around. Get lost, poser.
Air Wisconsin's call out after rotation is positive rate gear up speed mode. The non- flying pilot raises the gear and presses the speed button on the auto pilot control panel. A snap shot of the current speed is taken and the flight director will indicate the pitch needed to hold that speed while climbing. The flying pilot then says speed 200 set climb thrust after takeoff checks. Climbing at 200 knots ensures the pilot won't overspeed the flap speeds during the climb to acceleration altitude
Very cool! I'm a controller at CRW. Pinnacle usually does our CLT route but Wisconsin has been flying some of them lately. if you guys ever get "stuck" flying in here make sure to say hi.
If you ever want to improve this video, pls make sure that both left and right audio channels have about same volume. It was a bit annoying to have pretty much all sound in only the left audio channel.
Highlife! question: right after rotation we've got "Speed Mode" which i assume is placing the Bug on Speed Indicator right at Present Airspeed, along with readying to essentially pitch the Aircraft to hold whatever Airspeed is bugged for Climb ( basically the same as FLC in other makes of Jet's?) so, if we've called Speed Mode immediately after Rotation, are you only using TO/GA Flight Director Pitch Command for couple seconds as guide to pitch to, "then" abandoning for Speed Mode?
Hey are you ex-air force or navy?
Turner9090 1 week ago
Cool footage I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for posting
joewyo 3 months ago
this is the stupidest questin but is there a button you have to press to talk to atc
FS98FSX 5 months ago
@FS98FSX two-way switch on the control wheel - up is intercom between the pilots, down transmits on the comm radio/frequency you have selected.
ke0ki2k 4 months ago
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e081194eng 5 months ago
thanks for taking out the music. Great video
TheBoeing737Pilot 6 months ago
So do the just call the regionals Wisconsin?
Turner9090 9 months ago
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e081194eng 9 months ago
This makes me want to be a pilot even more.
mjayperry 9 months ago
Ugh.. Archer, if you were a 121 pilot, you'd know that George really sucks at flying the plane. If you wan't to give the folks a smooth ride, you either have to persuade george using various FD modes, or hand fly it yourself. Just because we have a flight director, doesn't mean that using it makes flying easier. For instance, on a visual, a lot of times I just turn the flight director off, because it is easier to fly the plane to the runway than to tell the FD to tell me how to fly.
zopepope 10 months ago
@zopepope Sorry buddy I do fly 121, I've just never flown at a regional, and the stories I hear amuse me more than anything. I think I made that comment about the time that a Pinnacle Airlines CA kicked back a flight because the Autopilot was MEL'd, which had me laughing for a while.
archer49d 9 months ago
The life of a regional pilot sucks.
TheGreenCheekConure 11 months ago
@rdrd4544 Oh i heard him say cactus at one point, and when i used flight aware it came up as us airways. Code share?
Tomk916 11 months ago
Cactus 9360...Us Airways?
Tomk916 11 months ago
Ego aside, the automation is there for our protection. When you fly professionally for a living the last thing you need is to be violated for busting a heading or altitude. Remember that a slight deviation can get you violated. Fatigue would quickly set in from either a long leg or multiple medium legs. Not to mention the increased stress from hand flying raw data all day long. It not that we cant do it, it's just easier with automation
flyifrvfr 1 year ago
Is the APU EGT normal? I see the indication very high!
mpereznoble 1 year ago
@mpereznoble
That's the 200 for you... It will normally spike into the yellow. The 900, doesn't have these issues.
zopepope 10 months ago
Awesome video!! I'll be flying the 700 with United Express next month out of Dulles
Gotyler5 1 year ago
archer49d, when you select speed mode after rotation you are still hand flying the plane. The flight director will indicate the pitch angle to be used to climb at the speed you set. When I flew I hand flew it until 21,000 feet then I would turn on the autopilot. Of course sometimes I would turn on the autopilot at 400 feet and let george fly it.
flyifrvfr 1 year ago
@flyifrvfr Flight Directors are another one of my pet peeves, I prefer the all manual all day long routine, actually get to do something instead of push buttons that way. And from what I hear they pretty much force you to push buttons all day in the regionals.
archer49d 1 year ago
If you're doing "all manual all day long", then you're not flying in the airlines. There's plenty to be done when the ground is going by at 9 miles a minute into JFK, DCA, DTW, IAH, or any number of places that airlines travel in a day. You can't fly manual all day, every day for 5 days for 7 hours a day, 14 hours duty and 9 hours of sleep. If you say you can, then you're either unsafe, or lying.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn What if you're flying between 4 and 6 - 20 minutes sectors one or two days a week? The only time we use the A/P is on long trips in cruise only.
However, what I was referring to in my statement was F/Ds, don't like them and they serve no useful purpose to a good pilot.
As to your last statement, I've works for many airlines in the past without A/Ps and we flew all week without APs for 5 or more hours a day. Call it unsafe or lying, but I bet you're just spoiled; with a case of SJS.
archer49d 7 months ago
You are either unsafe, lying, or flying single engine Cessnas into class D and E airspace. No one who has to actually operate airliners in congested Class A and B airspace, all weather, at high speeds would say that using an autopilot is spoiled. Fly 1-2 hour legs, 7-8 hours a day with 12-14 hour days into areas like JFK, DCA, DTW, and PHL with VNAV departures where you are required to use an FD and autopilot, than you know better...but I bet you're an amateur with a case of SJ envy.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Don't be so sure of yourself, I've never seen a HAL 717 on autopilot when on approach( or any of the other island carriers). To which I'd like to add that you should try finding an old Lear, Boeing, Douglas or Beech which has an autopilot that's actually useful for more than course and altitude hold (not acquisition). Flying the plane with the buttons isn't flying the plane, and the level to which it is being forced down pilot's throats is shocking and dilutes basic piloting skills.
archer49d 7 months ago
Four and 6 minute legs? It takes us longer than that to taxi to the runway! ONE or TWO days a week? FIVE hours a day? HAH! Yeah...those guys fly more hours in a week than you can get in a month. No wonder you think an autopilot is not something that a "good pilot" needs...with little chump flights like that. How long are your "long trips"...half an hour? I thought you were really working. Never mind...you don't need a autopilot...
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Four to Six 20 minute legs... clear enough?
Longer trips are 5 hours each way. Regardless of which we still climb to altitude manually. Sorry about having a good job that doesn't have me driven like a slave. Speaking of which, sounds to me like you might be suffering from chronic fatigue it pushing a few buttons is "really working". Pretty sad to think that you might be too tired one day to fly the plane if the AP and FD give up the ghost.
archer49d 7 months ago
Oh, you fly in Hawaii? AH. That explains a lot. You ARE flying Cessnas...or Pipers...Archer. Must be nice to have such pretty weather all the time. I doubt you've been on every 717 on approach, and I know you've never done a CAT III into JFK. Pretty sad to think that you believe that we can't handle an approach without an autopilot...or that having one makes someone a worse pilot.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn I was trying to be relatively cordial with you, regarding my distaste for overuse of Autocoupled approaches, but it's relatively pointless, one of your mistakes is assuming I've only flown in Hawaii (I rarely if ever see an AK Air flight on AP as well, and I've flown thousands of hours of up there as well, in weather I'll place a bet on you wouldn't go out in). As I've said before, if you can't/don't hand fly, then I'll look down on you, no matter how much you think of yourself.
archer49d 7 months ago
I think you might be suffering from the wannabe's if you think flying in the Northeast isn't work...buttons or not. But, if you spend some time flying where it's not pretty all the time, perhaps you'd gather an appreciation for what that is like...and you'd be less inclined be condescending...especially when to read what you say shows how little experience you have.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Anyway, have fun with your SJS.
archer49d 7 months ago
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macgriffyn 7 months ago
Look down on me and I'll reach up and snatch you off your high horse, prop job. You can be "relatively cordial" without impugning the ability of other aviators. One of your mistakes is talking trash when you're barely able to understand the operational necessity of airliners and the need for autocoupled approaches in high density, poor weather conditions. If you expect me to believe that AK doesn't fly on auto, I know you're full of it...because it's used all the time.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Still on my high horse, come on then where's the snatching. Funny to me that you make claims of high density environments, meanwhile dozens of old Lears and Beeches are flying into the same places without the luxuries you preach of. You're spoiled, deal with it.
archer49d 7 months ago
Quit playing runescape and get a real job, poser. Take the hula girl off your dashboard, lose the gay white hat, and quit acting like you know anything about airliners.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn I guess that's how you gotta deal with it, anyway, still here on my high horse, waiting on you.
archer49d 7 months ago
Waiting on me? You want me to come visit you in Hawaii, or Alaska, or Cortez...or wherever you want to say you are? You gonna fly me out there in your Piper, or your Beech...perhaps your 727?
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Not only do you have issues with being spoiled, apparently you stalk for a hobby, and I would make a point to deny you a jumpseat if I ever ran into you, so travel on your own.
archer49d 7 months ago
I'm not so much stalking as guys that I know are. They've got interesting jobs, weird hobbies, and more time than I do. They find your constant trolling on aviation websites, sim forums, and computer games to be amusing...and keep sending me stuff. They're bugging the hell out of me, really. Either way, son, I don't need your jumpseat. Cessna 207's aren't something that I need to travel on...I'm more spoiled than that...first class only.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
@macgriffyn Your obsession is amusing, have fun with it. Your last statement says it all. If I'm trolling, it's exactly what I'm going for. If I'm serious then your degeneration would be funny if it wasn't so sad. If you want the last word you can have it, but I stand by my opinion on overuse of automation.
archer49d 7 months ago
@archer49d Mkay...my degeneration and your bombastic conceit. Your opinion is duly noted. Move along, boy...
macgriffyn 7 months ago
Thousands of hours in weather I wouldn't go out in? Oh, please, wannabe...you just want to whip them out and measure? No pilot older than 16 would say something so completely amateur as to start throwing your log book around. Get lost, poser.
macgriffyn 7 months ago
"Ho*y sh*t captain turn the autopilot on before we actually have to fly the airplane."
archer49d 1 year ago
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e081194eng 1 year ago
I miss flying the CRJ200 for them.
flyifrvfr 1 year ago
Air Wisconsin's call out after rotation is positive rate gear up speed mode. The non- flying pilot raises the gear and presses the speed button on the auto pilot control panel. A snap shot of the current speed is taken and the flight director will indicate the pitch needed to hold that speed while climbing. The flying pilot then says speed 200 set climb thrust after takeoff checks. Climbing at 200 knots ensures the pilot won't overspeed the flap speeds during the climb to acceleration altitude
flyifrvfr 1 year ago
@flyifrvfr LMAO, they MAKE you use speed mode, that's just funny.
archer49d 1 year ago
Much better without the music. Thanks for giving us the option! :)
gdsnuff 1 year ago
Great video !!!
e081194eng 1 year ago
Very cool! I'm a controller at CRW. Pinnacle usually does our CLT route but Wisconsin has been flying some of them lately. if you guys ever get "stuck" flying in here make sure to say hi.
pilotnwv1 1 year ago
@pilotnwv1 yeager's a great airport.
pilotwes247 1 year ago
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pilotnwv1 1 year ago
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pilotnwv1 1 year ago
If you ever want to improve this video, pls make sure that both left and right audio channels have about same volume. It was a bit annoying to have pretty much all sound in only the left audio channel.
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e081194eng 1 year ago
Highlife! question: right after rotation we've got "Speed Mode" which i assume is placing the Bug on Speed Indicator right at Present Airspeed, along with readying to essentially pitch the Aircraft to hold whatever Airspeed is bugged for Climb ( basically the same as FLC in other makes of Jet's?) so, if we've called Speed Mode immediately after Rotation, are you only using TO/GA Flight Director Pitch Command for couple seconds as guide to pitch to, "then" abandoning for Speed Mode?
drumdude46 1 year ago
Great vid :)
zeromoterhead 1 year ago
NICE vid .... without the music THANKS
blokel99 1 year ago
great video thanks
earnhrdt3 1 year ago
this is very nice. I love the commas and checklist.
Speedymac1986 1 year ago
What does "rotate" mean on the engines?
Drummerful07 2 years ago
When a pilot says rotate, it is the call for when to pull up on the yoke to take off.
ledzepallthewayftw 2 years ago
Nice video man thanks for uploading
mkitch 2 years ago
Superb video thanks for posting.
@DirectorPhilip
It's do with the synchro scan on the camera it's not set to match the refresh rate of the monitors.
RojanTrojan100 2 years ago
awesome job. I love the CRJ Exterior Body
RealPilot27 2 years ago
one on the yoke then a couple on the center pedestal, one for the captain and one for the fo. It's labeled RT
vac4042 2 years ago
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JDizzle1589 2 years ago
Wonderful video. Love it. Good work.
N9088D 2 years ago
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asapilot3064 2 years ago
Yup, no one but the pilots.
rotcmaverick 2 years ago
thnx!
gokumalo 2 years ago
CRJ... great AC !!!
asapilot3064 2 years ago
smooth operators. Professionals at work. Love the sterile cockpit below 10,000
dlb300zx 2 years ago
Agreed!
N9088D 2 years ago
Awesome!!!
737NGFO 2 years ago