I'm a retired career firefighter Lieutenant with over 22+ years, most of that spent working full-time for a medium size Midwestern US city and I'll believe what the NYFD firefighter's said before I'll believe our lying government.
Ask yourself this: When was the last time the government told you the truth about anything?
This testimony is the most valid, most rational in scope and study. it is not politically charged and it is conducted in an un-biased manner by an expert in the science of textual communication at large and historically. His past projects and studies make him ultimately credible and qualified as a truely expert. This is a good man.
@1denniso1 You should listen to the Toronto hearings if that is what you are looking for. I am trying to keep from reacting to the troll, and doing a good job of it. But you know You-Tube. The toronto Hearings brought a lot of evidence out last week in a level heading inquiry. I would recommend that if that is what you are looking for <3
" Oh my dear " was because of the huge underground blast they felt . The building falling was nothing ......compared to the blast they felt . The underground blast wave is what scared the people most .
Where are all the Firefighters >? They used them on the pile ...so sad .
I KNOW ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY THAT THE GOVERMENT AND THE SHADOWS THAT ARE HIRED BY THE GOVERMENT KNOW..INSIDE JOB.BOMBS WERE PLANTED.I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS IN DEMOLITION.BUILDINGS THAT BIG THAT STRONG DON'T FALL LIKE THAT..SO IT WAS NOT JUST THE PLANES..IT WAS BOMBS IN THE FOUNDATION AND THROUGHOUT.
Mr Alex Jones, you are an enemy of humanity. You are the worst form of traitor. The other enemies get on with the job of enslaving us, as you put out disinfo and fear stories to confuse the opposition and lead them down a blind alley to the new Gulags. You are a sick man Mr Jones, a sick and corrupt man who has done more than anyone to help our oppressors whilst hiding behind crocodile tears!
@squigoth There was a long time period from Feb to August, Turner construction was doing "upgrade work" on the elevator sysytem, they were in there all day and night, 24-7.
@blite13 wow! and in 7 WTC during that time frame we would hear heavy machinery on the floors above us for months as well, imagine hearing metal screetching against uncarpeted floors of an office building. those floors were not accesable to employees only cia, they needed a special card key. the years i worked there i only peeked once in that room in my office. it had an elevator and jail cells. i assume they gained access to the floors above me by using those elevators
@squigoth hey man i worked in 7WTC and the timeframe blite13 gave matches the same time they were working in my building. as a matter of fact when 9/11 happened some white dude with a white tee, bluejeans and sneakers rushed in our office and told us to get out because the WTC was hit by a plane. then something happened that i failed to notice before....that dude had a cia card key and ran back into that very room with the elevator to the 4th floor which was CIA.
@squigoth also my cousin worked at 5WTC and a week before 9/11 his whole security detail was FIRED and replaced by new security. also access to my building(7WTC)was restricted for months after midnight till morning. not even the head of security himself at 7WTC(who was my friend and we played ball together)could not get back in the building once he left his post for the night. this shit was planned man, and it was planned for a whole lot longer than several months. wonderful execution.bad for us
@squigoth Steel beams snapping and floors pancaking? If that were the case, how does 110 stories disolve into powder in 12 seconds? How do beams snap when the collapse is going straight down, 10 floors / second? How does the pile only include steel beams? First responder testimony says there were no pieces of anything any bigger than a fingernail other than the beams, how can that be? All those desks, filing cabinets, computers etc.. where did it all go?
Illuminati / New World Order responsible for 9/11 and our media has been complicit and culpable for not investigating deeper into the TRUTH!!!! 9/11 was and inside job just like the German Reichstag (Nazi inside-job) and the Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam war catalyst)!!!! We all need to make a final stand against this evil cult before it is too late! They are few in number compared to the MILLIONS and perhaps BILLIONS of us, IF we can pull ourselves together!!! Buy food, H20, guns, and gold now!!
The video at 7 min is clearly edited, and It wasn't convincing either. It took 1 minute to find the original footage without the sound effects placed on top. Let this be a lesson for those Truthers that rush to believe anything that confirms a controlled demolition. Don't get suckered.
fragment starting at 6:57 is the best evidence I have seen sofar. Clearly you can hear the explosions as the building just disintegrates. It seems that people working on this are getting ahead. Keep up the good work. This has been an inside job without a doubt.
@ScottishAtheist might be but I still believe this is controlled demolition. What I do not understand is that many people don't seem to understand that. People who do not see it either did not study the material or have a poor understanding of the world or work for the government, see: watch?v=hSApOavkHg8&feature=player_embedded
@temporary1121: You are temporarily insane. Firstly to make a comment with words of hate says you are not really looking for truth. Please do not approach this subject like you have firsthand knowledge of all the facts and can say without a doubt there was no foul play on 9/11!
Anyone can be misled, including we who feel that somethings afoot here...there will be entities out there inputing erroneous information to confuse the those searching for truth. We must be wise!
@temporary1121 why because your too close minded to beleive in something other than which you are told by the biased media or our government, which, by the way, has a less than honorable reputation?
@Whiterhin018 no just because you base your theory of 9/11 off of some stupid story and shit. plus even when you guys come forward with no evidence when i say "i don't believe you" im all of a sudden a pawn and an idiot who can't see the "truth" and follows the media and goverments "lies" there is a reason it's called "theorist" it's conspiracy theorist that believe the holcaust didnt happen. do you think that the holocaust didn't happen? i don't know what happened on 9/11 and i don't claim to.
@temporary1121 The fact that 1270 architects and engineers just revealed hard evidence of explosive demolition at the national press club in washington last thursday speaks for itself
It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney- the end of internet is coming. <<<< Also the end of religion, and then the end of this Satanic world as God's Government crushes Satans last government, than the earth will be cleansed by it's survivors. LIKE A MODERN day flood, seek TRUTH! google " the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" start there and pray for divine truth.
It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney- the end of internet is coming. <<<< Also the end of religion, and then the end of this Satanic world as God's Government crushes satans last government, than the vearth will be cleansed by it's survivors. LIKE A MODERN day flood, seek TRUTH! google " the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" start there and pray for divine truth.
Fuck the Terrorist state of Israel ! 9/11 was a false flag by Mossad, just like how the Irgun high jacked the milk truck and blew up the King David hotel disguised as Arabs.
The evidence for an inside job is literally overwhelming. Engineering, physics, chemical, architectural, demolition, financial, eye-witness testimony, forensic including photographic, suspicious behavior on part of key players, who benefited: Where do you want to start?
Because so few adults have anything resembling a scientific education, Authority can offer implausible explanations and so many mug punters will buy it.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
How many of Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth's 1202 architectural and engineering professionals have experience in structural engineering, high rise construction, or controlled demolition?
What did Hani Hanjour’s flight instructors have to say about his flying ability?
Who was Ali Mohamed and what is his relationship with Osama Bin Laden and the CIA?
Watch and see who is sent to jail and who is promoted...who is killed in a plane crash and who is in power. The families of 9/11 victims and the victims who keep dying from the chemicals unleashed on that day have their own concerns and they should be appeased, not ignored.
Juliani was harping "It's an attack...it's an attack" after the first plane hit and before anyone knew what the story really was.The guilty are beginning to tell the truth about the day of 9/11.Juliani said on Larry King Live that no terrorist attacks happened on American soil during the Bush administration.He was telling the truth because it was BUSH SR and friends who ordered the attack on our own people of New York City and Rudy Juliani himself was IN THE KNOW.
@lumeriam Whomever is spamming my comments I mean for it to be included with EVERY video about the truth of 9/11! I have the right to comment on a video so please BUG OUT!
Over the handie talkie and over the Manhattan and Citywide frequencies of FDNY nI ot only was the term explosions, I heard the term explosive device and secondary devices. At that time was working in WTC 7 and before the buildings came down I and my driver (aide) heard explosions a series of explosions. This guy may have something worth an International Investigation into 9/11
It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney will soon enough ban any video like these that make you think outside what we've been told. Keep looking for these bullshit "updates" that are useless. The end of the internet is coming.
@crazypaul34 i dont think they will be banned , they are on here for a reason, anything on the internet is allowed by the powers that be, but why? is what we should be asking.
@joiganja .... I like the way you think but I honestly think its a problem they are just starting to work on. I think they would've taken it more seroiusly earlier, but I think they underestimated just how many people are starting to wake up due to the internet. With Wikileaks and what I believe to be staged cyber attacks on Lockheed Martin , other military contractors, and even b.s. attacks on the FBI and CIA databanks will be the beggining of the end of the internet we know.
@crazypaul34 i cant see that , if you have got the intelligence to create and execute a plan of enslavement over a population and them not even being aware of it then i cant see them being caught out by the internet when they own everything including all media, like it or not we are facing people who have genius minds. look at youtube , give me any situation in any walk of life and youtube will give you a hundred different views = confusion. divide and conquer. its worked for centuries.
@joiganja ..... Divide and conquer indeed. These people are good at what they do but it doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. I think in the meantime they're handling it with their best solution possible. Keep the truth out there for everyone to see but with the consequence of anyone taking these videos seriously as "tinfoil hat wearing people" and laugh them off. As for dividing, I don't think its enough.
@joiganja... I don't think its enough to pull away people's efforts. Right now it is and you're totally right. But when the economy completely bottoms out and things like social security or any kind of future is gone it won't matter. The founding fathers disagreed on many things but they all had one common enemy that was their main priority. But honestly, I don't see too many people that are going to fight for their rights. Their convenient lifestyles and lazy boy chairs is all they really want.
@crazypaul34 yes your right crazypaul34, i believe they are doing it on purpose though, i think they are trying enrage the popullation with the help of tv news and policies by the government. its like we are being brought to the boil slowly.
@joiganja ..... God, if there is one thing every single person in this country could agree on it would be about " the slow boil". Honestly I don't know a person around me that isn't just dissapointed and pissed off. Well of course the people that would rather watch jersey shore or american idol really don't seem to care. They're lost in tv land so nothing else matters. LOL ... Its been cool chatting with you joiganja, take care.
I don't understand how eyewitness testimony counts for much when there is ample video to look at. Even the testimony of experts can be questioned when said expert was running for his or her life. Most of the eyewitness statements I've seen have been using certain words like explosion or demolition as metaphor or simile.
Oops, got that mixed up. Uggh it's early. I mean, the main two buildings were top-down collapses, whereas WTC7 was a traditional collapse.
I imagine there were basement explosions to make sure the collapse was completed. Steel skyscrapers of that size are monsters, and all tall buildings have tapered core columns, meaning they are extremely strong at the base.
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The people that run this country are worth in the $TRILLIONS of dollars. Stolen from taxpayers in the United States since the advent of the FED here in 1913. You folks need to do a thorough research of the Rothschilds in London and in Europe. Larry Silverstein netted around $4BILLION from a terrorist related demolition of his newly acquired WTC complex. He took out this insurance policy 6 weeks before 9/11 wake up already. 9/11 INSIDE JOB.
@MrRiceowlex Let me say this, I am glad you made it out, however, as far as the financial information you are giving it is completely wrong, Silverstein lost money, in the millions of dollars. As for all of these "explosions" do you know what an electrical transformer sounds like when it blows? And as for Willie Rodriguez, what story is he telling this month?
The truth is undeniable. You can believe the governments side or the mainstream medias side of what happened, or you can listen, observe, and conclude that there are things that are being overlooked by our government as to what really happened on 9/11. Probably because they are the cause of it.
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The one guy who said there was an explosion in the sub-basement kept before the plane hit kept changing his story. Doesn't even make sense. First of all, how would someone in the sub-basement know when the plane hit 90 floors above when many people on the floors in between didn't hear it? Second, the towers collapsed from the impact floors. How would detonation charge in the sub-basement bring down a building from the top down?
@PoetryHound.Ok there was more than one guy who said this and also there were firemen and police in the reception area of the of the twin towers helping evacuate when they state there were explosions IN the basement(below them and the whole building shook) before the building collapsed
@PoetryHound when you demolish a building, its necessary to take out the basement columns and interior core columns beforehand so the building can fully collapse when the exterior columns are cut as a progression going down the buildling. when the building fell, the basement 7 levels gave way, and this is where most of the debris went, the basement couldnt have collapsed unless there were charges under them, considering that the mass they were holding never changed, though the WTC was powder
You weaken the base of the building, do some research on how to take down a building. How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building? How could anyone answer that unless you experienced it? How could you even question it when you have never experienced it? Your "arguments" are very weak.
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
Are you REALLY dumb? Demolition, when you demolish a building, the first thing you do is weaken it's base, this is demolition 101. Research how to demolish a building and it will ALWAYS tell you that weakening the base is the first step. So when you look at this as a demolition, it makes PERFECT SENSE. You see, this is the benefit of looking into these sort of things, it puts the pieces together. You have no idea if you would know if a plane hit high up or not...because you never experienced it.
Demolitions are top down ya nutjob...research, look, it's all over the internet, all you need is the desire to find out. I know this type of research might start to change your mind about 911...so the choice is yours, look at the facts or don't. If you aren't going to research and make up your own mind...no one can help you do that, otherwise, you are wasting my time. If you don't even know this point about weakening the structure...you aren't informed, therefore, you are pegged as ignorant.
Not skyscrapers. They're all dropped from the bottom. You haven't done one bit of research. That's why you can't cite any sources. And that's why you can't back up your claim that "weakening the base is the first step." You simply made that up.
Not skyscrapers. They're all dropped from the bottom. You haven't done one bit of research. That's why you can't cite any sources. And that's why you can't back up your claim that "weakening the base is the first step." You simply made that up.
@blite13 How do you know the base was NOT weakened? There are tons of eye-witnesses who say the lobby of the Trade Towers were totally destroyed before the demolition occurred.
No npf2135, there's not "all kinds of evidence for explosives." That's probably why there isn't a single explosives expert that says explosives were used. Oh, I know, they're all paid off, right? Yeah, all of 'em in the world.
No wonder the twoof "movement" is fading away. All you have are lies, bullshit, paranoia, and baseless assertions.
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
@PoetryHound I'll tell you why you may want to weaken the base...the massive size of the towers, firstly! Where's all that rubble to go?! So you create a hole for it to collapse into. I'm not an engineer, but I think it sounds feasible to make sure that the base is weak enough to recieve the rubble as to minimize the collateral damage.
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
@PoetryZound I think you're a bit mixed up. WTC7 was top-down collapse. The other towers were done differently, and it is the other towers where you hear sounds of basement explosions.
and there are 118 first-responder accounts of exlosions, not just one. Are you lying, or just ignorant of this?
@PoetryHound Where did you get that piece of info you just used to qualify your point? I'm speaking about you stating that folks weren't aware that the plane hit...they may not have known it was a plane, but I find it very difficult to believe that they felt/heard nothing! By the way, I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying its sounds doubtful!
I worked in the South Tower of the WTC, these towers were all electric by the simple fact that they were so tall. No gas no chance of a gas explosion and fire the NYFD couldn't get to readily.
Strike that. So then you have NYFD on the radios talking about multiple explosions wrapping around the building, "Like they were trying to bring it down" sounds pretty specific to me.
They are so afraid of the truth coming out, but it will, and you will see a mass exodus of perpetrators,coconspirators, fleeing the country with our money.
They want to talk about how hard it would be to rig the buildings, and how many people would have to be involved, blowing smoke to hide the fact that it could not have happened the way they want us to believe. There are many different hypothesis on how it could be done. Reply to me and I will give you 5 sites that give a better probability
Just consult a dictionary to see that, contrary to MacQueen's assumption, 'explosion' does not necessarily mean the detonation of a bomb. An argument from ambiguous semantics is not compelling. Moreover, unlike real CDs, no audio equipment picked up real detonations.
Thermite is not a high explosive and has never been used as, or shown to be, a means to demolish a building. And there's good evidence that it can't be so used...
See 175 lbs of blazing thermite do nothing to a thin steel column:
watch?v=dkODHlDQpeU#t=4m32s
See 1000 lbs of thermite not do enough to an SUV to possibly be a conceivable way to efficiently cut the massive columns of WTC:
I don't know if McQueen is a lia ror an idiot or both but Angel Rivera was in the Marriot (3WTC) & the "explosion" was 2WTC collapsing:
"... the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors...when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off...When the second tower came down, we had no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a second device.
He's no idiot. He's liar. The four transcripts he quoted, when read in their entirety, all refute his claim of explosive demolition.
I hope he meets the four men whose words he twisted so badly in a dark, lonely alley, where he can explain to them why he tried to make them look like idiots who believe the controlled demolition bullshit.
All 4 of those guys almost died that day, and all had friends who did die. How dare MacQueen tell such disgusting lies about them to bolster his point!
You could he have possibly paraphrased the quote so badly as to go completely against controlled demolition? Did they actually say "there was a massive explosion... actually no, there was no explosion"?
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It was an inside job, there can be no doubt. Anyone who still believes the govt. lies is either working for the govt. or has some hidden agenda preventing them from thinking clearly and expressing themselves freely.
with the amount of proofs given to us for 8 years now,concerning the FOUR "crashes",one by one showing that in each case there is huge flaws,you people should at least admit honestly that 911 report is a complete fraud........fight for a true investigation then.....
everyone says the fireman that died were great american heroes remember them for ever.but the ones that survived like the ones quoted in the more info collumn who were actually there at the base telling us of bombs and flashes on different levels are treated like pricks,then you get clowns who werent there on youtube saying planes brought them down .that is totally disrespectfull and you need to shut up and listen to what they say, if you dont then your either an idiot or part of the problem
never in the history of catastrophical " incidents " has a steel , iron , and titanium structure ever disntegrated from fire and heat . the amount of time that passed before the " pancake effect" occured , the majority of the jet fuel would have mostly burned off .. and if youre gonna try and tell me that the office supplies ( i.e. desks file cabinets and other office supplies ) could produce that kind of sustained heat ,, keep believing that lie ... wake up wake up
Notice that the firefighters stated at the time or seemed like or it was as if. Not one says he literally believes there were pre-planted explosives or that explosives brought down the towers. If they thought their brothers had been murdered by intentionally-placed explosives, they wouldnt just mention it in passing and be done with it. English comprehension is key.
The point is that many things besides explosives cause explosions in fires. Just use google news to search for "explosion" and "fire" and you'll get a torrent of news stories in which there were explosions in fires.
Amazing really no question about it. Although i think the planes could cause the collapse itself, i wouldn't exclude this possibility. Especially not if the rest of the evidence/proof about hijackers isn't that tight to me.
Well i think once you know exactly who ordered the hijackers if it were hijackers, then you could indeed really give question to the fact if there weren't explosives planted before or not. What i remember myself from tv was a grey plane.
If you read the NY Times Oral Histories, you find a substantial number of FDNY who "thought the explosions came from pre-planted bombs" and many who thought that those explosions "brought down the towers".
I'm not saying that proves their claims. I'm just saying you are entirely wrong :)
And given the magnitude of death involved, the topic may warrant at least a minor effort at truth and accuracy on your part.
Stop lying. Only a few firefighters ever made reference to "pre-planted bombs", and when they did, they used words like "I thought it must have been...". It was clear they were just trying to make sense of all that occurred.
Being inside the buildings, they had no way of knowing that the explosions they heard were the buildings collapsing. And yes, many of the other explosions reported were bodies hitting the ground.
Dr Z, why so hostile? You should cut down on your stress.
Your interpretation is partly correct. But if fails to explain many facts. For example, I'm baffled as to how the 50-ton hydraulic press on level-C was "completely destroyed". (Mike Pecoraro, Stationary Engineer, Tower 1). If you have an answer for that, it would be a great help to me.
Sigh. When you use quotation marks, that usually means you're quoting someone verbatim. Unless you're a lying truther, of course. Mike Pecoraro describes the press being "gone", amid a scene replete with rubble, smoke, disarray, etc. He never said it was "completely destroyed". You are a liar.
As for the damage and the general scene encountered by Mr. Pecoraro, you are aware of the jet fuel and fireball that traveled down one of the elevator shafts that ran the length of the building, right?
False. His statement about the press being gone is totally ambiguous. If it had been destroyed, he would have said that. You have no basis to say it for him. Elsewhere he talks about the debris from blown doors and wall damage, and the air being thick with smoke, etc. His statement about the press being "gone" could very well have referred to the fact that it was obscured by smoke and rubble, and sure, maybe damaged. You taking license to interpret that as meaning it was "destroyed" is absurd.
Pecoraro said that he entered a "small machine shop" on sub level C, which is where he reported that the "50 tom hydraulic press" was gone. He never said it was destroyed, which would seem to make sense, since no reasonable person would expect the explosion of fuel down the elevator shaft to be capable of destroying a hydraulic press weighing 50 tons.
I may have been wrong in my assessment of what he meant, however.
I should have realized this earlier. Google "50 ton hydraulic press"...
...and you'll learn that they weigh a few hundred pounds.
Seeing the pattern here? You have been bamboozled into believing a fairy tale by repugnant liars. Truthers present this as though the press weighed 50 tons. If they had even a passing respect for the truth, they wouldn't resort to distortions and lies so readily.
Are these the people you want to align yourself with? People whi disregard the fact that Pecoraro explicitly states that HE SMELLED KEROSENE (JET FUEL)...
Takes more than a magic fireball to turn 110 storeys of concrete and steel into pulverised concrete and melting steel in just 10 seconds. Twice. Oh- WTC7. 3 times. The WTC were designed to avoid any chimmney effect in a fire. The lift shafts were staggered, so that no single shaft went down further than the sky lobby below it. There was no straight line path down the shafts. What are you smoking?
The ignorance of you fools is astounding. Freight elevator shaft #50 ran the full length of the building, running through the impact zone all the way down to sub-basement level B6.
Don't you people have a single shred of integrity? Doesn't it give you even a moment's pause that every single factual claim you make is easily proven to be an outright lie (as in this case) or, at best, a distortion?
And what kind of person makes such a claim from a point of ignorance?
Dr. Z, Speaking of "easily proven to be an outright lie...or, at best, a distortion", according to Arturo Griffith, the elevator shaft you cite, #50, was around the 49th floor at jet impact. It fell 15 floors after impact but was still blocking the basement levels from your magic fireball.
Your faux indignation is so thoroughly unpersuasive.
You seem to think that the elevator shafts were airtight or something. Or maybe that a fireball that goes around an elevator can't toss stuff around a machine shop.
Nk5, "toss stuff around a machine shop"? That's not what happened at all. Pecoraro says it destroyed the room including a 50-ton capacity steel press. Also destroyed a parking garage. Lt. Walsh describes massive destruction to the lobby.
You think this was caused by the same fireball we all saw explode around the 95th floor?
How does one "destroy" a room? A room is an empty space. You can't destroy nothingness. So what he probably means is everything was thrown all over the place.
As for the 50 ton steel press, it's not such a big immovable object as you think. Do a google image search for "50 ton steel press" and you'll see what I mean. Probably weighs less than my fridge.
Nk5, "thrown all over the place"? You're falsifying his account. "How does one destroy a room?" Let's hear what Mike Pecoraro describes.
Article says he found the machine shop "gone". He continues, "nothing there but rubble". hydraulic press was "gone!". Article also says he found parking garage "gone". "There were no walls", "there was rubble on the floor".
Next up is your idiotic lie about the buildings collapsing in 10 seconds. the following video captures the collapse of WTC1: watch?v=aMHT07W3TM4
Can't tell exactly when the collapse begins, but the first pieces of the facade that had broken free (and thus fell at FREE FALL SPEED) hit the ground at about the 2:07 mark. The bulk of the building doesn't hit until about 2:18, and a 60+ story piece of the core doesn't fall until about 2:30.
Dr. Vitriol, I don't know who said "10 seconds" but on a separate note, NIST conceded that part (a significant portion) of building 7's fall was in free fall accelleration.
LoL that team of "experts" missed that massive piece of info until challenged by a high school physics teacher who presented them with the evidence.
You can also see a 60+ story piece of the facade peel away and head towards WTC7 at the 2:10 mark.
Starting to sink in yet, morons? That just maybe, your sick fantasy has a few holes in it? You know, the one about 1,000's of black souled killers working in concert (without any defectors, apparently) to pull off the most complex act of mass murder in history?
Dr Z, I think you're correct about the "50 ton press". Press capacity, not mass.
However, doesn't fix the essential problems with your tinfoil hat theory - Magic Fireball somehow travels past Arturo Griffith's elev which is blocking elevator shaft 50, then somehow resumes its 90+ floor trip, destroying machine shop, parking garage, and lobby. And somehow also accounts for multiple witnesses descriptions of varied repeating basement explosions?
It's all the more absurd because Mike Pecoraro himself states EXPLICITLY that he understands what happened with respect to the jet fuel coming down the elevator shaft. Which, of course, is also why he smelled kerosene at the outset. If something was amiss with that 50 ton press, if it had been "destroyed" beyond what was explainable by the fireball, you don't think Mike would point that out? Wouldn't it be his place to say? Apparently not, according to brainless truther standards...
Instead, you feel free to plck one ambiguous quote from the many pages of Mike's testimony, and claim to know better than he what happened.
Which apparently is this: As you must know by now, the jetfuel and fireball that followed it down the elevator shaft is common knowledge. It baffles me that you'd feel compelled to share your brainless thoughts on this entore matter without knowing even the most basic of facts, but that's a more general matter. Back to the fireball...now, since we all...
...know that the fireball occurred and wreaked havoc in the region where Mike worked, you apparently think that, simultaneously, there was some sort of demolition-related charge that exploded in the same exact area, "destroying" the 50 ton press.
My God. The stupid, it burns!
How can you not see how revoltingly absurd your argument is?
Sources that contradict the "Magic Fireball" theory:
WTC 1 Elev operator Arturo Griffith. His elev was around 49th floor blocking the only elevator shaft which connected jet impact site with basement levels.
NYFD Lt. William Walsh who, from POV of lobby, describes severe damage to local, lower-level elevators only. No observable damage to higher shaft elevators.
Rodriquez - in basement, explosion was below him and shortly preceded jet impact explosion above.
How about these words from Mr. Pecoraro: "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled (Hmm...know anything that smells like kerosene, genius?) "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", and later, "It never dawned on me that there was a giant fireball that came through the air of the lobby. I never knew that until later on. The jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. "
NONE of this is unexplained. You are a lying troll.
Dr Z, just want to make sure I understand your theory. Fireball traveled 90+ floors and destroyed, reduced to "rubble", "gone!" a 50 ton hydraulic press (tempered steel, I assume?).
If that's your theory, I'd note that about 3-5 floors above jet impact, Patricia Alonso, is alive. She's also healthy enough to call husband and say she's evacuating (NYT).
It would be a great help to me if you could explain that inconsistency. Thanks!
Patricia Alonso? You offensive moron, the woman died that day. As for your retarded point, each floor of the WTC was an acre of offices. She was on the southeast corner, furthest from the crash site and the fires. The idea that the fire should have been evenly spread over such a large area is preposterous.
I'm trying to educate you, but this kind of crap is patently offensive. Downplaying the hell and horror that woman experienced is despicable.
drzhivagho: Clearly, as a self-righteous blowhard you should use much more offensive, derogatory terms to insult and batter those you disagree with so that they will bow to your superior logic and agree you must be right, that the abundant evidence of sight and sound for explosions triggering the collapse, the residue of nano-thermite compounds, the systemic lies and cover-up by FBI & other agencies, and the numerous contradictions which even most of the 911Commision noted, are all immaterial.
It isn't a "disagreement". It's a case of seriously disturbed people weaving together the most impossible of fantasies, all to accuse a great many people of mass murder. Without a shred of evidence that holds up under scrutiny. Just an endless stream of distortions and outright lies.
Take all the "evidence" you presented. I notice a complete lack of specifics. Because as soon as you cite specific details, your evidence gets eviscerated on the merits.
Wow. You really are reprehensible. Why do you insist on telling such blatant, easily disproved lies? What kind of repugnant piece of trash are you?
Arturo Griffith and Marlene Cruz were in the elevator when the cable was cut by the jet impact. THEY WERE NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING. They fell several floors before the emergency brakes stopped them, coming to rest BENEATH THE LANDING OF BASEMENT LEVEL B1. They were pulled from the elevator moments before a huge fireball came down the shaft.
So, Dr Z, your theory is that the fireball - that we all saw explode around the 95th floor - also decides to visit the furthest and strongest reaches of the building, blows out the shaft, destroys a machine shop including a 50-ton capacity steel press, at least one parking garage, blows out the LOCAL elevator shafts in the lobby (Lt. Walsh), and destroys the lobby, dislodging 10'x10' marble wall slabs among many other things?
Why was the fireball so detirmined to destroy the bottom floors?
Google "William Rodriguez escape artist" for a detailed profile of that lying insect. He's quite the vile creature. Nobody with any semblance of a brain assigns him one iota of credibility. He is a proven liar, and is quite clearly mentally ill.
Within that page are the exact quotes from Arturo Griffith, as well as links to the articles describing his experience or directly quoting him.
Let me say this again quite clearly. You are a reprehensible, utterly incompetent liar. Truly pathetic.
1. For your credibility, please indicate where I downplay ""the hell and horror" P. Alonso experienced.
2. "Acre of offices". Interesting rhetorical device. That's approx 200' x 200'. Since we know the plane punctured into core of bldg, that puts Patricia within a couple hundred feet of the fireBALL. But the 50 ton capacity hydraulic press which was destroyed in basement was at least 1200 feet away. Plus the #50 elev was blocking it..
1. Your snarky comment about how she was "alive and healthy enough to call her husband" QUITE CLEARLY disrespects what she went through. As though the fact that she was able to call her husband is any reflection on what she was going through. Don't be coy. You're far too stupid to pull it off.
2. What an incomprehensible mess. I mean, seriously. That's some very, very ignorant stuff. I can't even follow it.
Fascinating, Dr. Z, more ad hominems. I suspect you're not as confident in your position as you claim. Hey check this out, in the time I've been refuting your inaccuracies, several hundred more architects and engineers have endorsed AE for 911 Truth's call for a new investigation. Total approaching 1000. Honest question, how many experts are on record supporting your position? I'm aware of only a few score, mostly employed by NIST. Lemme know if you're aware of nearly a 1000 others, tnx buddy
Correction, Patricia Alonso was not 3-5 floors ABOVE jet impact, she was on the 95th floor. Basicall the floor at the heart of the impact.
And yet, after impact she was unharmed by fireball. And YET, 90+ floors away, multiple basement floors suffer massive destruction. Doesn't sound like jet fuel to me.
Too funny. The first eyewitness testimony that this moron reads describes a firefighter's experience inside a nearby building when the south tower collapsed. Everything he said makes perfect sense in that context.
Only partly true. Yes, he was in the Marriot. And, read in context, his quote does seem to describe collapse of south tower, as you say. HOWEVER, he describes other explosions that cannot be explained by collapse (or jet fuel). See A. Rivera oral history, page 4.
Your comment regarding the "other explosions" reported by Rivera provides good example of why you truthers are so offensive. The Marriott connected the two towers, overlooking a courtyard, one that happens to be the place where countless people landed after jumping. The explosions he describes - and he makes this quite clear with his references to body parts, etc. - were people slamming the ground at over 100mph. Many others described the same thing.
I'm a retired career firefighter Lieutenant with over 22+ years, most of that spent working full-time for a medium size Midwestern US city and I'll believe what the NYFD firefighter's said before I'll believe our lying government.
Ask yourself this: When was the last time the government told you the truth about anything?
LeseMajeste 1 month ago
This testimony is the most valid, most rational in scope and study. it is not politically charged and it is conducted in an un-biased manner by an expert in the science of textual communication at large and historically. His past projects and studies make him ultimately credible and qualified as a truely expert. This is a good man.
Libertymuser 4 months ago
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100% Inside Job
Born2Flesh 6 months ago
Well done. Thank you.
SilentSpace227 6 months ago 2
A nice level-headed inquiry on the events.
1denniso1 6 months ago
@1denniso1 You should listen to the Toronto hearings if that is what you are looking for. I am trying to keep from reacting to the troll, and doing a good job of it. But you know You-Tube. The toronto Hearings brought a lot of evidence out last week in a level heading inquiry. I would recommend that if that is what you are looking for <3
OriginalTexcalibur 4 months ago
" Oh my dear " was because of the huge underground blast they felt . The building falling was nothing ......compared to the blast they felt . The underground blast wave is what scared the people most .
Where are all the Firefighters >? They used them on the pile ...so sad .
SAYYOURROSARY 8 months ago
nice work.
louie2able 9 months ago
mossad did it
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hoxran 1 year ago
Interesting, thanks guys.
Looks like nothing showed on Wikileaks yet...
squigoth 1 year ago
@squigoth Julian was only telling privy info not top secret.
sksnkton 1 year ago
I KNOW ALOT OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY THAT THE GOVERMENT AND THE SHADOWS THAT ARE HIRED BY THE GOVERMENT KNOW..INSIDE JOB.BOMBS WERE PLANTED.I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS IN DEMOLITION.BUILDINGS THAT BIG THAT STRONG DON'T FALL LIKE THAT..SO IT WAS NOT JUST THE PLANES..IT WAS BOMBS IN THE FOUNDATION AND THROUGHOUT.
livinginthepast58 1 year ago
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Mr Alex Jones, you are an enemy of humanity. You are the worst form of traitor. The other enemies get on with the job of enslaving us, as you put out disinfo and fear stories to confuse the opposition and lead them down a blind alley to the new Gulags. You are a sick man Mr Jones, a sick and corrupt man who has done more than anyone to help our oppressors whilst hiding behind crocodile tears!
Zombienationlive 1 year ago
I smell what you're shovelling
wkbfutewc 1 year ago
@wkbfutewc How does a Troll breath with a head up it's A.sp because I know what your smelling
catwoman1951 8 months ago
Ok so how did they rig those buildings without the people who worked there knowing about it?
squigoth 1 year ago
@squigoth There was a long time period from Feb to August, Turner construction was doing "upgrade work" on the elevator sysytem, they were in there all day and night, 24-7.
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13 wow! and in 7 WTC during that time frame we would hear heavy machinery on the floors above us for months as well, imagine hearing metal screetching against uncarpeted floors of an office building. those floors were not accesable to employees only cia, they needed a special card key. the years i worked there i only peeked once in that room in my office. it had an elevator and jail cells. i assume they gained access to the floors above me by using those elevators
ODDNOMAD 1 year ago
@squigoth hey man i worked in 7WTC and the timeframe blite13 gave matches the same time they were working in my building. as a matter of fact when 9/11 happened some white dude with a white tee, bluejeans and sneakers rushed in our office and told us to get out because the WTC was hit by a plane. then something happened that i failed to notice before....that dude had a cia card key and ran back into that very room with the elevator to the 4th floor which was CIA.
ODDNOMAD 1 year ago
@squigoth also my cousin worked at 5WTC and a week before 9/11 his whole security detail was FIRED and replaced by new security. also access to my building(7WTC)was restricted for months after midnight till morning. not even the head of security himself at 7WTC(who was my friend and we played ball together)could not get back in the building once he left his post for the night. this shit was planned man, and it was planned for a whole lot longer than several months. wonderful execution.bad for us
ODDNOMAD 1 year ago
I bet snapping steel beams and pancacking floors would sound like explosions, just saying.
squigoth 1 year ago
@squigoth
U mean pulverising steel beams and floors?
Dutchforce14 1 year ago
@squigoth Steel beams snapping and floors pancaking? If that were the case, how does 110 stories disolve into powder in 12 seconds? How do beams snap when the collapse is going straight down, 10 floors / second? How does the pile only include steel beams? First responder testimony says there were no pieces of anything any bigger than a fingernail other than the beams, how can that be? All those desks, filing cabinets, computers etc.. where did it all go?
blite13 1 year ago 5
The truth will destroy all liars
visionfirst1970 1 year ago 3
thank you for this video. it's exactly what i've been looking for.
MRBISHIGSR 1 year ago
Illuminati / New World Order responsible for 9/11 and our media has been complicit and culpable for not investigating deeper into the TRUTH!!!! 9/11 was and inside job just like the German Reichstag (Nazi inside-job) and the Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam war catalyst)!!!! We all need to make a final stand against this evil cult before it is too late! They are few in number compared to the MILLIONS and perhaps BILLIONS of us, IF we can pull ourselves together!!! Buy food, H20, guns, and gold now!!
TriggerJunkie 1 year ago
EFFECT PANCAKE and BUILDING COLLAPSE.
...EXPLANATION SIMPLISTIC for a COMPLEX SUBJECT.
- WHY ...? - EFFECT PANCAKE !!!
- BUT...? - Building collapse !!! - Building collapse !!!
- EXPLAIN ABOUT ... - Effect pancake !!!
- But this is impossible... contradict the laws of physics !
- EFFECT PANCAKE !!! - BUILDING COLLAPSE !!!
next question...next question !!
AND YOU? CHEATING YOURSELF ?
WawsestilL 1 year ago
The video at 7 min is clearly edited, and It wasn't convincing either. It took 1 minute to find the original footage without the sound effects placed on top. Let this be a lesson for those Truthers that rush to believe anything that confirms a controlled demolition. Don't get suckered.
watch?v=dYHPGdIzueA
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO!
ubertuberx5 1 year ago
fragment starting at 6:57 is the best evidence I have seen sofar. Clearly you can hear the explosions as the building just disintegrates. It seems that people working on this are getting ahead. Keep up the good work. This has been an inside job without a doubt.
edicccc 1 year ago 2
@edicccc It's also edited.
Here's the original. watch?v=dYHPGdIzueA
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
@ScottishAtheist might be but I still believe this is controlled demolition. What I do not understand is that many people don't seem to understand that. People who do not see it either did not study the material or have a poor understanding of the world or work for the government, see: watch?v=hSApOavkHg8&feature=player_embedded
edicccc 1 year ago
@temporary1121: You are temporarily insane. Firstly to make a comment with words of hate says you are not really looking for truth. Please do not approach this subject like you have firsthand knowledge of all the facts and can say without a doubt there was no foul play on 9/11!
Anyone can be misled, including we who feel that somethings afoot here...there will be entities out there inputing erroneous information to confuse the those searching for truth. We must be wise!
Awakenings7 1 year ago 2
i hate you conspiracy theorist
temporary1121 1 year ago
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socoolbooks 1 year ago
@temporary1121 why because your too close minded to beleive in something other than which you are told by the biased media or our government, which, by the way, has a less than honorable reputation?
Whiterhin018 1 year ago
@Whiterhin018 no just because you base your theory of 9/11 off of some stupid story and shit. plus even when you guys come forward with no evidence when i say "i don't believe you" im all of a sudden a pawn and an idiot who can't see the "truth" and follows the media and goverments "lies" there is a reason it's called "theorist" it's conspiracy theorist that believe the holcaust didnt happen. do you think that the holocaust didn't happen? i don't know what happened on 9/11 and i don't claim to.
temporary1121 1 year ago
@temporary1121 The fact that 1270 architects and engineers just revealed hard evidence of explosive demolition at the national press club in washington last thursday speaks for itself
Whiterhin018 1 year ago 3
crazypaul34
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It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney- the end of internet is coming. <<<< Also the end of religion, and then the end of this Satanic world as God's Government crushes Satans last government, than the earth will be cleansed by it's survivors. LIKE A MODERN day flood, seek TRUTH! google " the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" start there and pray for divine truth.
eternalblackproject1 1 year ago
crazypaul34
4 months ago 4
It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney- the end of internet is coming. <<<< Also the end of religion, and then the end of this Satanic world as God's Government crushes satans last government, than the vearth will be cleansed by it's survivors. LIKE A MODERN day flood, seek TRUTH! google " the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" start there and pray for divine truth.
eternalblackproject1 1 year ago
This is one of the best videos out there...
The only way is with explosives.
Go to 911SPEAKOUT. org
For the physics of it.
WTFaboutWTC7 1 year ago
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Fuck the Terrorist state of Israel ! 9/11 was a false flag by Mossad, just like how the Irgun high jacked the milk truck and blew up the King David hotel disguised as Arabs.
whereisthejustice1 1 year ago
The evidence for an inside job is literally overwhelming. Engineering, physics, chemical, architectural, demolition, financial, eye-witness testimony, forensic including photographic, suspicious behavior on part of key players, who benefited: Where do you want to start?
Because so few adults have anything resembling a scientific education, Authority can offer implausible explanations and so many mug punters will buy it.
Jackthesmilingblack 1 year ago 2
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3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
How many of Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth's 1202 architectural and engineering professionals have experience in structural engineering, high rise construction, or controlled demolition?
What did Hani Hanjour’s flight instructors have to say about his flying ability?
Who was Ali Mohamed and what is his relationship with Osama Bin Laden and the CIA?
ctcole77 1 year ago
Watch and see who is sent to jail and who is promoted...who is killed in a plane crash and who is in power. The families of 9/11 victims and the victims who keep dying from the chemicals unleashed on that day have their own concerns and they should be appeased, not ignored.
lumeriam 1 year ago
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Juliani was harping "It's an attack...it's an attack" after the first plane hit and before anyone knew what the story really was.The guilty are beginning to tell the truth about the day of 9/11.Juliani said on Larry King Live that no terrorist attacks happened on American soil during the Bush administration.He was telling the truth because it was BUSH SR and friends who ordered the attack on our own people of New York City and Rudy Juliani himself was IN THE KNOW.
lumeriam 1 year ago 3
@lumeriam Whomever is spamming my comments I mean for it to be included with EVERY video about the truth of 9/11! I have the right to comment on a video so please BUG OUT!
lumeriam 1 year ago
Over the handie talkie and over the Manhattan and Citywide frequencies of FDNY nI ot only was the term explosions, I heard the term explosive device and secondary devices. At that time was working in WTC 7 and before the buildings came down I and my driver (aide) heard explosions a series of explosions. This guy may have something worth an International Investigation into 9/11
bohemoth1 1 year ago
I like this. :)
laurenchambers49 1 year ago
It won't be too long before clips like these on youtube will be banned completely. Youtube being bought out by Disney will soon enough ban any video like these that make you think outside what we've been told. Keep looking for these bullshit "updates" that are useless. The end of the internet is coming.
crazypaul34 1 year ago 15
@crazypaul34 yeah censorship is really cool
toursmoke35 1 year ago
@crazypaul34 I know. How sad.
julieification 1 year ago
@crazypaul34 i dont think they will be banned , they are on here for a reason, anything on the internet is allowed by the powers that be, but why? is what we should be asking.
joiganja 7 months ago
@joiganja .... I like the way you think but I honestly think its a problem they are just starting to work on. I think they would've taken it more seroiusly earlier, but I think they underestimated just how many people are starting to wake up due to the internet. With Wikileaks and what I believe to be staged cyber attacks on Lockheed Martin , other military contractors, and even b.s. attacks on the FBI and CIA databanks will be the beggining of the end of the internet we know.
crazypaul34 6 months ago
@crazypaul34 i cant see that , if you have got the intelligence to create and execute a plan of enslavement over a population and them not even being aware of it then i cant see them being caught out by the internet when they own everything including all media, like it or not we are facing people who have genius minds. look at youtube , give me any situation in any walk of life and youtube will give you a hundred different views = confusion. divide and conquer. its worked for centuries.
joiganja 6 months ago
@joiganja ..... Divide and conquer indeed. These people are good at what they do but it doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. I think in the meantime they're handling it with their best solution possible. Keep the truth out there for everyone to see but with the consequence of anyone taking these videos seriously as "tinfoil hat wearing people" and laugh them off. As for dividing, I don't think its enough.
crazypaul34 6 months ago
@joiganja... I don't think its enough to pull away people's efforts. Right now it is and you're totally right. But when the economy completely bottoms out and things like social security or any kind of future is gone it won't matter. The founding fathers disagreed on many things but they all had one common enemy that was their main priority. But honestly, I don't see too many people that are going to fight for their rights. Their convenient lifestyles and lazy boy chairs is all they really want.
crazypaul34 6 months ago
@crazypaul34 yes your right crazypaul34, i believe they are doing it on purpose though, i think they are trying enrage the popullation with the help of tv news and policies by the government. its like we are being brought to the boil slowly.
joiganja 6 months ago
@joiganja ..... God, if there is one thing every single person in this country could agree on it would be about " the slow boil". Honestly I don't know a person around me that isn't just dissapointed and pissed off. Well of course the people that would rather watch jersey shore or american idol really don't seem to care. They're lost in tv land so nothing else matters. LOL ... Its been cool chatting with you joiganja, take care.
crazypaul34 6 months ago
I don't understand how eyewitness testimony counts for much when there is ample video to look at. Even the testimony of experts can be questioned when said expert was running for his or her life. Most of the eyewitness statements I've seen have been using certain words like explosion or demolition as metaphor or simile.
KidMeatball 1 year ago
funny...
muzicmaker2001 1 year ago
Oops, got that mixed up. Uggh it's early. I mean, the main two buildings were top-down collapses, whereas WTC7 was a traditional collapse.
I imagine there were basement explosions to make sure the collapse was completed. Steel skyscrapers of that size are monsters, and all tall buildings have tapered core columns, meaning they are extremely strong at the base.
zapproowsdower 1 year ago
thcbass420 1 year ago
The people that run this country are worth in the $TRILLIONS of dollars. Stolen from taxpayers in the United States since the advent of the FED here in 1913. You folks need to do a thorough research of the Rothschilds in London and in Europe. Larry Silverstein netted around $4BILLION from a terrorist related demolition of his newly acquired WTC complex. He took out this insurance policy 6 weeks before 9/11 wake up already. 9/11 INSIDE JOB.
MrRiceowlex 2 years ago
@MrRiceowlex Let me say this, I am glad you made it out, however, as far as the financial information you are giving it is completely wrong, Silverstein lost money, in the millions of dollars. As for all of these "explosions" do you know what an electrical transformer sounds like when it blows? And as for Willie Rodriguez, what story is he telling this month?
djlunacee 1 year ago
@djlunacee
You asshole propagandists always try to explain away every single point and never take the whole thing. It's not just this, idiot. It's ALL of it.
Silverstein didn't LOSE money, you lying idiot.
He took a LEASE out, only paid that much money on it, but got however much
money from the insurance policy which was much more than he paid for the lease, you fing traitor.
Move to Israel, I'm sure they're your type.. Rodriguez has been lied about, as he's always told the same story .
randallcaster 1 year ago
The truth is undeniable. You can believe the governments side or the mainstream medias side of what happened, or you can listen, observe, and conclude that there are things that are being overlooked by our government as to what really happened on 9/11. Probably because they are the cause of it.
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TrutherD1 2 years ago
How did this guy ever get hired by a university? He makes the leap that explosions can only be caused by explosives.
Use google news to search for "fire" and "explosion" and you'll get a torrent of news stories in which explosions occurred in fires.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
@PoetryHound.Explain explosions in the basement-before the planes hit
NoMoreWarNoMore 2 years ago
The one guy who said there was an explosion in the sub-basement kept before the plane hit kept changing his story. Doesn't even make sense. First of all, how would someone in the sub-basement know when the plane hit 90 floors above when many people on the floors in between didn't hear it? Second, the towers collapsed from the impact floors. How would detonation charge in the sub-basement bring down a building from the top down?
PoetryHound 2 years ago
@PoetryHound.Ok there was more than one guy who said this and also there were firemen and police in the reception area of the of the twin towers helping evacuate when they state there were explosions IN the basement(below them and the whole building shook) before the building collapsed
NoMoreWarNoMore 2 years ago
Who else besides Rodriguez said there were "explosions in the basement-before the planes hit?"
You forgot to respond to my question about detonation charges in the basement could bring down the tower from the top down.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
@PoetryHound when you demolish a building, its necessary to take out the basement columns and interior core columns beforehand so the building can fully collapse when the exterior columns are cut as a progression going down the buildling. when the building fell, the basement 7 levels gave way, and this is where most of the debris went, the basement couldnt have collapsed unless there were charges under them, considering that the mass they were holding never changed, though the WTC was powder
snillocekim 1 year ago
You weaken the base of the building, do some research on how to take down a building. How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building? How could anyone answer that unless you experienced it? How could you even question it when you have never experienced it? Your "arguments" are very weak.
blite13 1 year ago
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
Still no evidence of any explosives.
PoetryHound 1 year ago
Are you REALLY dumb? Demolition, when you demolish a building, the first thing you do is weaken it's base, this is demolition 101. Research how to demolish a building and it will ALWAYS tell you that weakening the base is the first step. So when you look at this as a demolition, it makes PERFECT SENSE. You see, this is the benefit of looking into these sort of things, it puts the pieces together. You have no idea if you would know if a plane hit high up or not...because you never experienced it.
blite13 1 year ago 2
"when you demolish a building, the first thing you do is weaken it's base"
But these alleged demolitions were top-down. No base weakening needed.
"this is demolition 101"
A made up assertion by you.
"it will ALWAYS tell you that weakening the base is the first step. So when you look at this as a demolition,"
Okay, back up your claim. Show us where it "tells you" this.
Guess how many demolition experts say explosives brought down the towers.
Answer: zero
PoetryHound 1 year ago
Demolitions are top down ya nutjob...research, look, it's all over the internet, all you need is the desire to find out. I know this type of research might start to change your mind about 911...so the choice is yours, look at the facts or don't. If you aren't going to research and make up your own mind...no one can help you do that, otherwise, you are wasting my time. If you don't even know this point about weakening the structure...you aren't informed, therefore, you are pegged as ignorant.
blite13 1 year ago
"Demolitions are top down"
Not skyscrapers. They're all dropped from the bottom. You haven't done one bit of research. That's why you can't cite any sources. And that's why you can't back up your claim that "weakening the base is the first step." You simply made that up.
PoetryHound 1 year ago
"Demolitions are top down"
Not skyscrapers. They're all dropped from the bottom. You haven't done one bit of research. That's why you can't cite any sources. And that's why you can't back up your claim that "weakening the base is the first step." You simply made that up.
PoetryHound 1 year ago
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"when you demolish a building, the first thing you do is weaken it's base"
But these alleged demolitions were top-down. No base weakening needed.
"this is demolition 101"
A made up assertion by you.
"it will ALWAYS tell you that weakening the base is the first step. So when you look at this as a demolition,"
Okay, back up your claim. Show us where it "tells you" this.
Guess how many demolition experts say explosives brought down the towers.
Answer: zero
PoetryHound 1 year ago
"when you demolish a building, the first thing you do is weaken it's base"
But these alleged demolitions were top-down. No base weakening needed.
"this is demolition 101"
A made up assertion by you.
"it will ALWAYS tell you that weakening the base is the first step. So when you look at this as a demolition,"
Okay, back up your claim. Show us where it "tells you" this.
Guess how many demolition experts say explosives brought down the towers.
Answer: zero
PoetryHound 1 year ago
you havnt looked into it. you havnt researched it. you are crazy and obviously not a physics major
matchesison 1 year ago
@blite13 How do you know the base was NOT weakened? There are tons of eye-witnesses who say the lobby of the Trade Towers were totally destroyed before the demolition occurred.
sheasie 1 year ago
@sheasie I'm saying the base was weakened, hence, Willie's and others testimony that bombs were going off in the basement.
blite13 1 year ago
you fucking human dipshit. dont procreate. youre cattle
Seigu007 1 year ago
@PoetryHound Wrong there is all kinds of evidence for explosives,,, you must be a payed CIA,, or you did not watch this video
npf2135 1 year ago
No npf2135, there's not "all kinds of evidence for explosives." That's probably why there isn't a single explosives expert that says explosives were used. Oh, I know, they're all paid off, right? Yeah, all of 'em in the world.
No wonder the twoof "movement" is fading away. All you have are lies, bullshit, paranoia, and baseless assertions.
PoetryHound 1 year ago
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
Still no evidence of any explosives.
PoetryHound 1 year ago
@PoetryHound I'll tell you why you may want to weaken the base...the massive size of the towers, firstly! Where's all that rubble to go?! So you create a hole for it to collapse into. I'm not an engineer, but I think it sounds feasible to make sure that the base is weak enough to recieve the rubble as to minimize the collateral damage.
Awakenings7 1 year ago
YOU do some research. Why weaken the base if it's a top-down collapse? Makes no sense.
"How would you know if a plane hit up high on the building?"
Precisely. You wouldn't know if you were in the sub-basement. How would you know what it was that you were hearing? Makes no sense that there were explosions before the plane hit. Only one guy makes that claim and he kept changing his story.
Still no evidence of any explosives.
PoetryZound 1 year ago
@PoetryZound I think you're a bit mixed up. WTC7 was top-down collapse. The other towers were done differently, and it is the other towers where you hear sounds of basement explosions.
and there are 118 first-responder accounts of exlosions, not just one. Are you lying, or just ignorant of this?
zapproowsdower 1 year ago
@PoetryHound Where did you get that piece of info you just used to qualify your point? I'm speaking about you stating that folks weren't aware that the plane hit...they may not have known it was a plane, but I find it very difficult to believe that they felt/heard nothing! By the way, I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying its sounds doubtful!
Awakenings7 1 year ago
Look up William Rodriguez "The Last Man Out"
I worked in the South Tower of the WTC, these towers were all electric by the simple fact that they were so tall. No gas no chance of a gas explosion and fire the NYFD couldn't get to readily.
Strike that. So then you have NYFD on the radios talking about multiple explosions wrapping around the building, "Like they were trying to bring it down" sounds pretty specific to me.
MrRiceowlex 2 years ago 21
They are so afraid of the truth coming out, but it will, and you will see a mass exodus of perpetrators,coconspirators, fleeing the country with our money.
They want to talk about how hard it would be to rig the buildings, and how many people would have to be involved, blowing smoke to hide the fact that it could not have happened the way they want us to believe. There are many different hypothesis on how it could be done. Reply to me and I will give you 5 sites that give a better probability
CaptainBuckSnort 2 years ago
What horseshit.
LazlosPlane 2 years ago
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0000zzz 2 years ago
Just consult a dictionary to see that, contrary to MacQueen's assumption, 'explosion' does not necessarily mean the detonation of a bomb. An argument from ambiguous semantics is not compelling. Moreover, unlike real CDs, no audio equipment picked up real detonations.
watch?v=jmS36uSdtvw
iamgoddard 2 years ago
thermite?
bumfights42 2 years ago
thermite?
bumfights42 2 years ago
Thermite is not a high explosive and has never been used as, or shown to be, a means to demolish a building. And there's good evidence that it can't be so used...
See 175 lbs of blazing thermite do nothing to a thin steel column:
watch?v=dkODHlDQpeU#t=4m32s
See 1000 lbs of thermite not do enough to an SUV to possibly be a conceivable way to efficiently cut the massive columns of WTC:
watch?v=lIpa1K51os4
iamgoddard 2 years ago
I don't know if McQueen is a lia ror an idiot or both but Angel Rivera was in the Marriot (3WTC) & the "explosion" was 2WTC collapsing:
"... the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors...when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off...When the second tower came down, we had no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a second device.
fluxxus 2 years ago
He's no idiot. He's liar. The four transcripts he quoted, when read in their entirety, all refute his claim of explosive demolition.
I hope he meets the four men whose words he twisted so badly in a dark, lonely alley, where he can explain to them why he tried to make them look like idiots who believe the controlled demolition bullshit.
All 4 of those guys almost died that day, and all had friends who did die. How dare MacQueen tell such disgusting lies about them to bolster his point!
dcs002 2 years ago
You could he have possibly paraphrased the quote so badly as to go completely against controlled demolition? Did they actually say "there was a massive explosion... actually no, there was no explosion"?
Autonova 2 years ago
Watch 9 11 The Birth of Treason here on YT for the best documentary on it.
It was an inside job, there can be no doubt. Anyone who still believes the govt. lies is either working for the govt. or has some hidden agenda preventing them from thinking clearly and expressing themselves freely.
sausagedogheaven 2 years ago
with the amount of proofs given to us for 8 years now,concerning the FOUR "crashes",one by one showing that in each case there is huge flaws,you people should at least admit honestly that 911 report is a complete fraud........fight for a true investigation then.....
aligoulou 2 years ago
Shills are having to work overtime this week :D
tarmogoyf333 2 years ago
Conspiracy truthers are some dumb ass fucks.
animefareast 2 years ago
everyone says the fireman that died were great american heroes remember them for ever.but the ones that survived like the ones quoted in the more info collumn who were actually there at the base telling us of bombs and flashes on different levels are treated like pricks,then you get clowns who werent there on youtube saying planes brought them down .that is totally disrespectfull and you need to shut up and listen to what they say, if you dont then your either an idiot or part of the problem
joiganja 2 years ago
never in the history of catastrophical " incidents " has a steel , iron , and titanium structure ever disntegrated from fire and heat . the amount of time that passed before the " pancake effect" occured , the majority of the jet fuel would have mostly burned off .. and if youre gonna try and tell me that the office supplies ( i.e. desks file cabinets and other office supplies ) could produce that kind of sustained heat ,, keep believing that lie ... wake up wake up
unkljo 2 years ago
"Sounded like bombs." Murphy, Keith, FDNY
"A huge explosion." Gorman, Gerard, FDNY
"Sound of popping & exploding." Monchery, Alwish, EMT E.M.S.
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom." Terranova, Rosario, Lt. E.M.S.
"Sounded like explosions." Fitzgerald, Anthony, Lt. PAPD
"Sounded like explosions." Barriere, Wilfred, Det. PAPD
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters." Murray, John, Fire Marshall FDNY
Those are accounts of bodies hitting the ground after falling or jumping from the towers.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
P-Hound,
Did a very quick check of Oral Histories -
Gorman's explosion is followed by flames. He doesn't attribute to falling bodies.
Murphy's "bomb" is not attributed to falling bodies. He says he didn't know what it was.
What's your source that it's bodies?
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Hound-Dog, your "bottom line" is not entirely correct.
Example. FDNY Chief Ray Downey told colleagues at the time that he feared a collapse and he believed there were pre-planted bombs in the towers.
Downey was considered an FDNY expert in building collapse (He was killed in Tower 1).
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Notice that the firefighters stated at the time or seemed like or it was as if. Not one says he literally believes there were pre-planted explosives or that explosives brought down the towers. If they thought their brothers had been murdered by intentionally-placed explosives, they wouldnt just mention it in passing and be done with it. English comprehension is key.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
All very true, P-Hound. But you missed a couple obvious ones:
Things that cause explosions: explosives.
Things that sound like explosions: explosions.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
The point is that many things besides explosives cause explosions in fires. Just use google news to search for "explosion" and "fire" and you'll get a torrent of news stories in which there were explosions in fires.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
Amazing really no question about it. Although i think the planes could cause the collapse itself, i wouldn't exclude this possibility. Especially not if the rest of the evidence/proof about hijackers isn't that tight to me.
abdula31 2 years ago
Well i think once you know exactly who ordered the hijackers if it were hijackers, then you could indeed really give question to the fact if there weren't explosives planted before or not. What i remember myself from tv was a grey plane.
abdula31 2 years ago
EYEWITNESS TESIMONY
whats tesimony?
valeo626 2 years ago
testimony = bekentenis
abdula31 2 years ago
Astoundingly false.
Unless by "none" you mean "many".
If you read the NY Times Oral Histories, you find a substantial number of FDNY who "thought the explosions came from pre-planted bombs" and many who thought that those explosions "brought down the towers".
I'm not saying that proves their claims. I'm just saying you are entirely wrong :)
And given the magnitude of death involved, the topic may warrant at least a minor effort at truth and accuracy on your part.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Stop lying. Only a few firefighters ever made reference to "pre-planted bombs", and when they did, they used words like "I thought it must have been...". It was clear they were just trying to make sense of all that occurred.
Being inside the buildings, they had no way of knowing that the explosions they heard were the buildings collapsing. And yes, many of the other explosions reported were bodies hitting the ground.
My God are you imbeciles dishonest.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr Z, why so hostile? You should cut down on your stress.
Your interpretation is partly correct. But if fails to explain many facts. For example, I'm baffled as to how the 50-ton hydraulic press on level-C was "completely destroyed". (Mike Pecoraro, Stationary Engineer, Tower 1). If you have an answer for that, it would be a great help to me.
Meantime, your theory has a big smoldering hole.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Sigh. When you use quotation marks, that usually means you're quoting someone verbatim. Unless you're a lying truther, of course. Mike Pecoraro describes the press being "gone", amid a scene replete with rubble, smoke, disarray, etc. He never said it was "completely destroyed". You are a liar.
As for the damage and the general scene encountered by Mr. Pecoraro, you are aware of the jet fuel and fireball that traveled down one of the elevator shafts that ran the length of the building, right?
drzhivagho 2 years ago
You're right! Double-checked. I thought he used those exact words, but "completely destroyed" is, rather, a very accurate paraphrase.
His exact words about C-level damage:
"...there was nothing there but rubble. We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press-gone!"
In other words, it was completely destroyed (no quotes).
thepomegranate 2 years ago
False. His statement about the press being gone is totally ambiguous. If it had been destroyed, he would have said that. You have no basis to say it for him. Elsewhere he talks about the debris from blown doors and wall damage, and the air being thick with smoke, etc. His statement about the press being "gone" could very well have referred to the fact that it was obscured by smoke and rubble, and sure, maybe damaged. You taking license to interpret that as meaning it was "destroyed" is absurd.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr. Z,
1. Pecoraro's "statement about the press being gone is totally ambiguous."
Really? What part of the following is totally ambiguous?
"...there was nothing there but rubble. We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press - gone!"
2. Also, you say, "If it had been destroyed, he would have said that."
Yes. Turns out he did. I'll repeat:
"...there was nothing there but rubble. We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press-gone!"
Please clarify what part you find ambiguous.
Thanks!
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Pecoraro said that he entered a "small machine shop" on sub level C, which is where he reported that the "50 tom hydraulic press" was gone. He never said it was destroyed, which would seem to make sense, since no reasonable person would expect the explosion of fuel down the elevator shaft to be capable of destroying a hydraulic press weighing 50 tons.
I may have been wrong in my assessment of what he meant, however.
I should have realized this earlier. Google "50 ton hydraulic press"...
drzhivagho 2 years ago
...and you'll learn that they weigh a few hundred pounds.
Seeing the pattern here? You have been bamboozled into believing a fairy tale by repugnant liars. Truthers present this as though the press weighed 50 tons. If they had even a passing respect for the truth, they wouldn't resort to distortions and lies so readily.
Are these the people you want to align yourself with? People whi disregard the fact that Pecoraro explicitly states that HE SMELLED KEROSENE (JET FUEL)...
drzhivagho 2 years ago
...and understands and doesn't question that the scene he described was caused by a fireball going down the elevator shaft.
You are choosing to side with lying, distorting morons rather than the individual who lived through it and whose quote is totally distorted.
That's pathetic.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Takes more than a magic fireball to turn 110 storeys of concrete and steel into pulverised concrete and melting steel in just 10 seconds. Twice. Oh- WTC7. 3 times. The WTC were designed to avoid any chimmney effect in a fire. The lift shafts were staggered, so that no single shaft went down further than the sky lobby below it. There was no straight line path down the shafts. What are you smoking?
watch?v=FWn8QNQWSsY
whisperycat 2 years ago 2
The ignorance of you fools is astounding. Freight elevator shaft #50 ran the full length of the building, running through the impact zone all the way down to sub-basement level B6.
Don't you people have a single shred of integrity? Doesn't it give you even a moment's pause that every single factual claim you make is easily proven to be an outright lie (as in this case) or, at best, a distortion?
And what kind of person makes such a claim from a point of ignorance?
Very sad. And pathetic.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr. Z, Speaking of "easily proven to be an outright lie...or, at best, a distortion", according to Arturo Griffith, the elevator shaft you cite, #50, was around the 49th floor at jet impact. It fell 15 floors after impact but was still blocking the basement levels from your magic fireball.
Your faux indignation is so thoroughly unpersuasive.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
You seem to think that the elevator shafts were airtight or something. Or maybe that a fireball that goes around an elevator can't toss stuff around a machine shop.
Either way, your mistake.
NRen2k5 2 years ago
Nk5, "toss stuff around a machine shop"? That's not what happened at all. Pecoraro says it destroyed the room including a 50-ton capacity steel press. Also destroyed a parking garage. Lt. Walsh describes massive destruction to the lobby.
You think this was caused by the same fireball we all saw explode around the 95th floor?
thepomegranate 2 years ago
How does one "destroy" a room? A room is an empty space. You can't destroy nothingness. So what he probably means is everything was thrown all over the place.
As for the 50 ton steel press, it's not such a big immovable object as you think. Do a google image search for "50 ton steel press" and you'll see what I mean. Probably weighs less than my fridge.
NRen2k5 2 years ago
Nk5, "thrown all over the place"? You're falsifying his account. "How does one destroy a room?" Let's hear what Mike Pecoraro describes.
Article says he found the machine shop "gone". He continues, "nothing there but rubble". hydraulic press was "gone!". Article also says he found parking garage "gone". "There were no walls", "there was rubble on the floor".
Please don't distort these important facts.
thepomegranate 2 years ago 2
Next up is your idiotic lie about the buildings collapsing in 10 seconds. the following video captures the collapse of WTC1: watch?v=aMHT07W3TM4
Can't tell exactly when the collapse begins, but the first pieces of the facade that had broken free (and thus fell at FREE FALL SPEED) hit the ground at about the 2:07 mark. The bulk of the building doesn't hit until about 2:18, and a 60+ story piece of the core doesn't fall until about 2:30.
You are a lying imbecile.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr. Vitriol, I don't know who said "10 seconds" but on a separate note, NIST conceded that part (a significant portion) of building 7's fall was in free fall accelleration.
LoL that team of "experts" missed that massive piece of info until challenged by a high school physics teacher who presented them with the evidence.
Maybe they were tired.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
You can also see a 60+ story piece of the facade peel away and head towards WTC7 at the 2:10 mark.
Starting to sink in yet, morons? That just maybe, your sick fantasy has a few holes in it? You know, the one about 1,000's of black souled killers working in concert (without any defectors, apparently) to pull off the most complex act of mass murder in history?
You assholes are repugnant, one and all.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
What, no more talk about your "50 ton press"?
I hope this is starting to sink in. For your sake.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr Z, I think you're correct about the "50 ton press". Press capacity, not mass.
However, doesn't fix the essential problems with your tinfoil hat theory - Magic Fireball somehow travels past Arturo Griffith's elev which is blocking elevator shaft 50, then somehow resumes its 90+ floor trip, destroying machine shop, parking garage, and lobby. And somehow also accounts for multiple witnesses descriptions of varied repeating basement explosions?
So tinfoil.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
It's all the more absurd because Mike Pecoraro himself states EXPLICITLY that he understands what happened with respect to the jet fuel coming down the elevator shaft. Which, of course, is also why he smelled kerosene at the outset. If something was amiss with that 50 ton press, if it had been "destroyed" beyond what was explainable by the fireball, you don't think Mike would point that out? Wouldn't it be his place to say? Apparently not, according to brainless truther standards...
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Instead, you feel free to plck one ambiguous quote from the many pages of Mike's testimony, and claim to know better than he what happened.
Which apparently is this: As you must know by now, the jetfuel and fireball that followed it down the elevator shaft is common knowledge. It baffles me that you'd feel compelled to share your brainless thoughts on this entore matter without knowing even the most basic of facts, but that's a more general matter. Back to the fireball...now, since we all...
drzhivagho 2 years ago
...know that the fireball occurred and wreaked havoc in the region where Mike worked, you apparently think that, simultaneously, there was some sort of demolition-related charge that exploded in the same exact area, "destroying" the 50 ton press.
My God. The stupid, it burns!
How can you not see how revoltingly absurd your argument is?
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Sources that contradict the "Magic Fireball" theory:
WTC 1 Elev operator Arturo Griffith. His elev was around 49th floor blocking the only elevator shaft which connected jet impact site with basement levels.
NYFD Lt. William Walsh who, from POV of lobby, describes severe damage to local, lower-level elevators only. No observable damage to higher shaft elevators.
Rodriquez - in basement, explosion was below him and shortly preceded jet impact explosion above.
Sources that corroborate: ???
thepomegranate 2 years ago
How about these words from Mr. Pecoraro: "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled (Hmm...know anything that smells like kerosene, genius?) "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", and later, "It never dawned on me that there was a giant fireball that came through the air of the lobby. I never knew that until later on. The jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. "
NONE of this is unexplained. You are a lying troll.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr Z, just want to make sure I understand your theory. Fireball traveled 90+ floors and destroyed, reduced to "rubble", "gone!" a 50 ton hydraulic press (tempered steel, I assume?).
If that's your theory, I'd note that about 3-5 floors above jet impact, Patricia Alonso, is alive. She's also healthy enough to call husband and say she's evacuating (NYT).
It would be a great help to me if you could explain that inconsistency. Thanks!
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Patricia Alonso? You offensive moron, the woman died that day. As for your retarded point, each floor of the WTC was an acre of offices. She was on the southeast corner, furthest from the crash site and the fires. The idea that the fire should have been evenly spread over such a large area is preposterous.
I'm trying to educate you, but this kind of crap is patently offensive. Downplaying the hell and horror that woman experienced is despicable.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
drzhivagho: Clearly, as a self-righteous blowhard you should use much more offensive, derogatory terms to insult and batter those you disagree with so that they will bow to your superior logic and agree you must be right, that the abundant evidence of sight and sound for explosions triggering the collapse, the residue of nano-thermite compounds, the systemic lies and cover-up by FBI & other agencies, and the numerous contradictions which even most of the 911Commision noted, are all immaterial.
starmanskye 2 years ago
It isn't a "disagreement". It's a case of seriously disturbed people weaving together the most impossible of fantasies, all to accuse a great many people of mass murder. Without a shred of evidence that holds up under scrutiny. Just an endless stream of distortions and outright lies.
Take all the "evidence" you presented. I notice a complete lack of specifics. Because as soon as you cite specific details, your evidence gets eviscerated on the merits.
Your lies are reprehensible.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Sorry, Dr. Z., your facts don't add up.
Per NIST, only ONE elevator shaft accessed ALL of WTC 1. (Remainder are staggered local shafts or limited to no higher than 78th floor).
Operator of that ONE shaft, Arturo Griffith, says elevator was on 49th floor at jet impact. It fell 15 floors, then stopped, emergcy brake.
Magic fireball would have to go around Griffith's elev, recollect itself, resume 90 floor journey, destroy parking garage, machine shop and lobby.
Sounds Tinfoil hat-ish to me.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Wow. You really are reprehensible. Why do you insist on telling such blatant, easily disproved lies? What kind of repugnant piece of trash are you?
Arturo Griffith and Marlene Cruz were in the elevator when the cable was cut by the jet impact. THEY WERE NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING. They fell several floors before the emergency brakes stopped them, coming to rest BENEATH THE LANDING OF BASEMENT LEVEL B1. They were pulled from the elevator moments before a huge fireball came down the shaft.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
BASH BASH !!
tarkus21 2 years ago
So, Dr Z, your theory is that the fireball - that we all saw explode around the 95th floor - also decides to visit the furthest and strongest reaches of the building, blows out the shaft, destroys a machine shop including a 50-ton capacity steel press, at least one parking garage, blows out the LOCAL elevator shafts in the lobby (Lt. Walsh), and destroys the lobby, dislodging 10'x10' marble wall slabs among many other things?
Why was the fireball so detirmined to destroy the bottom floors?
thepomegranate 2 years ago 2
Google "William Rodriguez escape artist" for a detailed profile of that lying insect. He's quite the vile creature. Nobody with any semblance of a brain assigns him one iota of credibility. He is a proven liar, and is quite clearly mentally ill.
Within that page are the exact quotes from Arturo Griffith, as well as links to the articles describing his experience or directly quoting him.
Let me say this again quite clearly. You are a reprehensible, utterly incompetent liar. Truly pathetic.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Only because you believe what you want to believe rather than what's more believable.
NRen2k5 2 years ago 2
Dr. Z,
1. For your credibility, please indicate where I downplay ""the hell and horror" P. Alonso experienced.
2. "Acre of offices". Interesting rhetorical device. That's approx 200' x 200'. Since we know the plane punctured into core of bldg, that puts Patricia within a couple hundred feet of the fireBALL. But the 50 ton capacity hydraulic press which was destroyed in basement was at least 1200 feet away. Plus the #50 elev was blocking it..
You're weak, but appreciably vitriolic.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
1. Your snarky comment about how she was "alive and healthy enough to call her husband" QUITE CLEARLY disrespects what she went through. As though the fact that she was able to call her husband is any reflection on what she was going through. Don't be coy. You're far too stupid to pull it off.
2. What an incomprehensible mess. I mean, seriously. That's some very, very ignorant stuff. I can't even follow it.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Dr. Z, since you're resorting to ad hominems, I'll take it you concede the facts are with the Truthers.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
So then, apparently your game is to...
1. Make absurd claims.
2. Get thrashed ON THE MERITS.
3. Get mocked severely for being grotesquely stupid enough to have made said claims.
4. Wait 3 or 4 months, ignore the factual refutations and make absurd ad hominem claims.
Good God...the stupid, it burns!
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Fascinating, Dr. Z, more ad hominems. I suspect you're not as confident in your position as you claim. Hey check this out, in the time I've been refuting your inaccuracies, several hundred more architects and engineers have endorsed AE for 911 Truth's call for a new investigation. Total approaching 1000. Honest question, how many experts are on record supporting your position? I'm aware of only a few score, mostly employed by NIST. Lemme know if you're aware of nearly a 1000 others, tnx buddy
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Correction, Patricia Alonso was not 3-5 floors ABOVE jet impact, she was on the 95th floor. Basicall the floor at the heart of the impact.
And yet, after impact she was unharmed by fireball. And YET, 90+ floors away, multiple basement floors suffer massive destruction. Doesn't sound like jet fuel to me.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Too funny. The first eyewitness testimony that this moron reads describes a firefighter's experience inside a nearby building when the south tower collapsed. Everything he said makes perfect sense in that context.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Only partly true. Yes, he was in the Marriot. And, read in context, his quote does seem to describe collapse of south tower, as you say. HOWEVER, he describes other explosions that cannot be explained by collapse (or jet fuel). See A. Rivera oral history, page 4.
So far, preponderance of evidence supports CD.
thepomegranate 2 years ago
Totally false. Their is NO evidence of CD.
Your comment regarding the "other explosions" reported by Rivera provides good example of why you truthers are so offensive. The Marriott connected the two towers, overlooking a courtyard, one that happens to be the place where countless people landed after jumping. The explosions he describes - and he makes this quite clear with his references to body parts, etc. - were people slamming the ground at over 100mph. Many others described the same thing.
drzhivagho 2 years ago
Hearty apologies that you find me offensive.
However, I must disagree on the facts. There's an abundance of evidence consistent with CD.
The fact that you're either unaware of that evidence, or not persuaded by it, is clear enough. But only marginally relevant.
Anyone interested in judging for themselves, can find the case presented at AE911truth-dot-org.
thepomegranate 2 years ago