C6 Z06 vs 2012 GT-R - Nissan GTR vs Corvette Z06

[hamzah336]

i bet than corvette centannial version can beat the gtr i love both :))

[ZR1Terror]

@aliismailzada you know you're just hating, you've probably never even driven a Z06/ZR1

[aliismailzada]

Z06 and zr1 cheap feels like made in china from dollar store

[hamzah336]

@aliismailzada ya like your penis right man corvette has been on the streets before your were born its mad beter than you think

[HPSLUT500]

YET ANOTHER FAIL!!!

LOL!!! "still did not use Le Mans to design them" WTF does that mean? Lemans WHO? The tires company?? LOL!!! You just dont have clue.

[HPSLUT500]

The Potenza RE070R R2 RFT have hardly any tread on a 1/3 of the tire. Buddy you justy will never win here.

[HPSLUT500]

Here Sw100Xg  lets act pathetic like you are. GTRs crashing.

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[VpY22]

fucken 911 and mustang slowed you guys down. good runs!!!

[sw1000xg]

3:23 GTR should have staying on the right side and then flowed into the following corners! Great vid though!

[ZR1Terror]

@tinleo333 what makes you think otherwise?

[itssimpleiwinyoulose]

lol z06

[ZR1Terror]

Two of the fastest cars on the road!!

[funtonic1]

If it the real GTR 2012 it's 550Hp not 530Hp for info.

I think it's 2011 model.

[mattster1165]

GTE would win hands down

[07Z06ss]

@mattster1165 GTE? What's that? Oh and the 2012 Corvette ZR1 has a faster lap time than the 2012 GTR on the Nurburgring.

[skillz1855]

@07Z06ss actually the Z06 does

[ZR1Terror]

@07Z06ss Even the 2012 Z06 Carbon has faster laps than the 2012 GTR

[07Z06ss]

@ZR1Terror yep :)

[tinleo333]

@ZR1Terror in your dream right?

[sw1000xg]

@ZR1Terror It only has faster times with racing tires grow the fuck up you child! 2011 Z06 nodifferent to the 2012 apart from the tires and nicer interior and the GTR beat it everywhere! Put on some racing semi slicks and yes it will be faster! Put some racing semi slicks o the GTR and again it will beat the Z06!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Blah, blah, blah. "Put semi-slicks on the GT-R and see what happens!", yeah, we've heard it all before. Bottomline: Nissan DOESN'T offer those types of tires, and Chevy does; get over it.

And if you're going to claim "evening the odds" by putting semi-slicks on the GT-R, it's only fair to put a DCT transmission, advanced AWD system and every electronic aid around in the Z06. Oh, and give it about 530-540hp, too.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate You keep talking about put this in and that in? Then lets see a 1500Kg GTR with a 7L, semi slick race compound tires! Magnetic suspension! a wider body lower blah blah blah! Fact is Corvette couldn't beat nissan so they put on racing tires better than everyone else just to win... That's sooooo desperate!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg No, YOU keep talking about it. You never shut up about it, in fact. But thanks for proving my point all the same. This little pissing contest sounds even dumber when you say it. Both cars have their advantages and disadvantages. There's no reason to discredit either car just because of differing means to pretty much the same end: a supercar on a sportscar budget.

Also, do you have any idea how many manufacturers have put semi-slicks on production cars? Desperate, my ass.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Yeah they do it because they can't upgrade there cars! So they put on semi slick tires! There pathetic! There is too much compromise in the tires for all day every day driving! That's what nissan are doing ALL day EVERY DAY performance not just on track i.e. C&D Z06 is rubbish on the road but great on track! 102K just for the track? That's a joke!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg They can't upgrade their cars? There isn't much on a Z06 that can be upgraded, as far as performance goes. Either add more power, put in a better transmission, or put on some better tires. The easiest, and most logical choice is the tires. Why the hell would they put in a different transmission or upgrade the engine when the C7 is right around the corner? Use your head.

If you think the Z07 package is a joke, then you must hate the Spec-V.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate The Z06 had the ZR1 bits from it, so where is the upgrade? you don't put in the same EXCAT stuff as your other car? And Don't DO ANYTHING to it apart from make it the less ZR1... And I never hade any hopes for the Spec V it was just a show case of what was going to be in the future of the GTR nothing more! And look what happened bigger brakes better exhaust and other stuff and it transfared in to the base GTR!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg That first sentence doesn't even make sense. You just said Nissan did the same thing by transferring parts from the Spec-V to the base GT-R, hypocrite. The Spec-V was a showcase? No, they only called it that after it failed so spectacularly. It was worse on the road and slower on the track than a normal GT-R. Some future.

Did you ever attend English class? Seriously, half the stuff you write is barely legible.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Only Americans would say that they can't understand it? Your grammar is the worst in English HISTORY! There is nothing wrong with it!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg No, someone who's actually literate would say they can't understand it. "The Z06 had ZR1 bits FROM it"? FROM? The correct way is "ZR1 bits ON it", or "Bits from the ZR1". "Only Americans would say that they can't understand it?" why the question mark? Are you asking me?

Then there's "EXCAT", and "hade", and "transfared", and your inability to use correct punctuation. Should I go on? I may be American, but my grammar, diction and spelling are perfect. You, not so much.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate ??? English we would say FROM it! So no it's not "the correct way" and spelling mistakes? Question marks can be used as, are you UNSURE? Not asking.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Doesn't matter what you would say; it's INCORRECT. The primary subject of the sentence is the Z06, not the ZR1. So the "it" in your sentence is still referring to the Z06. So what you said basically means that the Z06 has ZR1 parts...that came from the Z06. That makes no kind of sense. If you handed that to an English professor, in any country, they'd laugh at you.

Yes, spelling mistakes, you make a LOT of them. If you were unsure, then why'd you make such a stupid comment?

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Coming from an American that's a laugh!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg What does being an American matter when I'm not the one making spelling, grammar and punctuation mistakes left and right? You can mock me for my nationality all you want, but it doesn't change the FACT that YOU are the one making all the mistakes, not me.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate "The Z06 had the ZR1 bits from it,"

You don't understand that???

The Z06 (yes you get that) had the ZR1 bits (Suspension and PTM and all that stuff from it, OH sorry from the ZR1) from it i.e. from the ZR1... It's not hard! The bits reffares to the ZR1 and since where on the "bits" using the "it" is STILL reffering to the... So the Z06 is using the bits from the ZR1 that are on the ZR1...

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Nope, sorry, that's not how it works. But I'll indulge you. If you say the "it" refers(not "reffares")to the ZR1, that's still nonsensical. The secondary subject was not the ZR1 itself, but the "ZR1 bits". "The Z06 had theZR1 bits from the ZR1 bits". Oh yeah, that's much better than before!

In a sentence like that, the pronoun "it" SHOULD have referred to the primary subject(the Z06), not the secondary(ZR1 bits). That's English 101, dude.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate No that's American! Not English! The "From it" becomes 3rd person, or metaphorically... Of the ZR1... That's how English works!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Yeah, because "American" is a language all its own. Right. Okay, ridiculous wording that no one with any common sense would ever use aside, you do realise that the sentence is still utterly redundant, right? According to you, you've said "The Z06 had the ZR1 bits from the ZR1". It doesn't matter if it's the President's English, or the Queen's English; redundancy is redundancy.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Also, about the "can't upgrade their cars" bullshit. The same can be said for Nissan. What have they done with the GT-R since it came out? Added more power, that's it. Is that because they can't do anything else? No. It's because that's what the GT-R needed to stay competitive. The first R35 was fast, but, in the end, it was underpowered(500+hp dyno tests aside...). The Z06 is fast, but, in the end, the tires just couldn't keep up with the rest of the car.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate What have Nissan done? Well a carbon fibre strut base in the engine, new suspension positioning and improved ride comfort on the road, better air intake, changed front grill, more bhp and torque, better aero, bigger brakes (though still crap compared to the Vette brembos) improved tranny and LC4... Tires keeping up with the car? That's just American BS! the car as C&D have stated it's TOTALLY compromised on the road! Even before that is ride is hard hard hard!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg American BS? No. Proven FACT? Yes. How many reviews have stated that the Z06's tires, whether they be the original Eagle F1s or the Pilot Sport PS2s, are unable to handle the car's entire performance envelope? When Randy Pobst drove the Z06 with the Sport Cups, even he said that the car finally had some tires that would allow the car to be driven at 10/10ths without issue.

And I love how you discredit American magazines, until they have something that supports your case.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Yeah but he's a RACING driver, and Jim Mero stated in a review that some people are at home on racing tires! But the fact is the car is COMPROMISED EVERYWHERE ELSE! ANYONE can do a track car, but Corvette CAN'T DO BOTH why don't you understand this? Track tires = car is rubbish on the road!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg I've give you that one. But can you explain the THOUSANDS of people who have complained about the fact that the Z06s tires just aren't good enough?

And Corvette can't do both? Corvette's been "doing both" since the debut of the C5. And should I start posting links to the metric crapton of reviews that praise the ZR1 for it's prowess on the track and on the road? And the pre-Sport Cup Z07/Carbon was said to have far better ride quality and road manners than the standard Z06.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Well it's really strange how this guy...

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States "nice ride home" how Clarkson says "it's quite and comfortable" But yet American mags talk about rock hard the ride is and such? C&D sound like they didn't even take it out on the road!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Before the 2012 model, it was generally agreed upon that the GT-R's ride quality was crap. After the 2012 model, things became divided. They all claim that it's been improved, but by how much varies from review to review.

And let's not forget Clarkson also called the ZR1 "quiet and comfortable", and said it had a fantastic sound system. However, many American mags have said the ZR1's unsupportive seats were a literal pain in the back, and the stereo sucks.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Yeah the ZR1 rides great! It's proper car! The Z06 is a track machine, even in the Edmunds test of the 2013 GTR VS 2012 Z06 the GTR lost by 1.1 second! But again all to do with the tires!

"while its 285-width front tires follow every single pavement irregularity, sometimes nearly ripping the steering wheel out of your hands." Is that good engineering? I don't seee that in a GT3! Which I would say it's more like!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg The Z06 was always meant to be a track machine, hence the stiff suspension and lightning-quick steering response. Sort of like the more track-focused offerings from Lotus(also known to be skittish cars with punishing rides), only bigger and far more powerful.

You don't see that with the GT3? Take it away, Clarkson! "Uncomfortable, noisy and fitted with a gearbox that wouldn’t ever go into gear, along with a pair of front tyres that had been fitted with minds of their own."

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Ah but Clarkson hates the 911! See the problem! when someone dislikes something, they pick on every little tiny thing... As Clarkson did on the orginal Z06! And I have been in one over here in England and to be honest it's not that bad! little worse than a GTR but again I didn't think it's ride was that hard either! Again what is HARD?

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Ah, so you're finally starting to understand the concept of subjectivity! Bravo! Yes, Clarkson hates the 911 series(though I believe he did name either the 996 or 997 Turbo as one of his favorite cars), and is virtually incapable of being impartial. Same with the entire TG cast; it's a show about opinions, not facts. And that's where American and European car media differ. Americans focus facts and figures, while the Europeans are mostly about being entertaining.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate Well I have always been skepticle, look at the 2012 GTR "nice ride home" by cnet, now Edmunds Inside Line say the 2012 GTR is "Rock hard"... But yet Clarkson says the GTR is again "quiet and comfrotable"... Now the 2012 Z06 is "plush" but cnet say "don't even try sport" and again Motor Trend and C&D don't mention anything about the ride! I don't see how they can keep changing all the time!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Again, different drivers, different opinions. Clarkson talks out of his ass all the time. He could get in a GT-R next week and say it's awful. Of course you don't try the "sport" setting on the road, that's just common sense. Sport mode is for the track only.

Motortrend and C&D don't say anything about the ride because there's nothing to say. The standard Z06 is stiff as hell, but the Carbon/Z07/Centennial has the ZR1's suspension and tires, which makes all the difference.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Notice that even with the Sport Cups, no one says anything about the Z06's ride quality; they just say it's more of a handful on the road than ever. They don't say avoid potholes like the plague, or that you might crack a vertebrae or two going over a dropped credit card. The Z06 rides just like the ZR1 with the Z07 package, so there's really nothing to say about it.

They keep changing because they use a different driver for every test, and they don't always agree.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate The 60-0 on the GTR on EIL is now 106 feet? They both beat that last year on MT with 101 and 102 feet! Slalom was faster on the GTR over 74mph last year and now it's slower on EIL. Either Americans are trying to make there cars look better? Or the changes have done something to them? Me I think it's the reviewers! A car does not variate that badly. Autocar have the GTR pulling 1.13G in skid pad thing... But it's less than 1G in EIL!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg And? Both the GT-R and Z06 have been recorded as stopping in under 100ft, as pointed out in an article by Motor Trend on the cars with the shortest stop distances.

Also, you do realise that not every car tested is brand new, right? Some of these cars have gone through several other publications before getting to MT or the like. They don't tell you that, but it's true. Brakes fade, tires lose tread, suspensions get softer, transmissions get clunky.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg But the reviewers will sit there and blame all that on the car itself. Not the fact that the car may have had some 200hrs worth of hard track time under its belt before it ever got to them. Remember the ZR1 that went up against the R8 V10 on Top Gear? That was one of only a handful of press ZR1s in all of Europe, and had been through many other tests before it got to them. But, in typical TG fashion, they glossed over that and acted like a brand new car was "falling apart".

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg And about Autocar...Tell me, has ANYONE EVER been able to reproduce those skidpad figures? No. The Z06, with the SCs, pulls 1.13g according to Motor Trend. Time to turn on the common sense, bud. Do you really think the GT-R is going to pull the same Gs as a car that's 500lbs lighter and wearing semi-slicks? If there's a manipulation of the facts going on, it's Autocar that's to blame. Standard scientific method: if the results can't be reproduced, something's wrong with them.

[jt21boys]

@WelcomeToCarnate the tires are not what makes the gtr its the time the enigeer put in research the technology and how its integrated makes this car do thing that were not presumed possible years ago when the zo6 arrived on the scene look around at the gtr's numbers not just auto car ; caranddriver, motortrend, motorweek, cnet .... drive one youll see that in it price range on the track its unbeatable stockand if you really want to be amazed research the ams alpha 12 gtr vs Bugatti

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@jt21boys I never said it was the tires that made the GT-R what it is. I've always maintained that it was advanced driving systems and electronic aids that make the GT-R such a beast.

I've seen nearly every review of the GT-R there is to see, and I know all the numbers. NO ONE has been able to duplicate Autocar's skidpad figures. The closest was Motor Trend, with 1.05g; quite a ways from 1.13.

I have driven one, on the road and on the track, though it was an older model.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@jt21boys No, in its price range, it's not unbeatable on the track bone stock. The Z06 Carbon, without the Sport Cup tires, was just milliseconds behind it at Willow Springs, and with the SCs it's at the top of the pile. And before you say the Z07 package is out of the GT-R's price range, the recent Inside Line review says otherwise.

Now in a straight line, that's another story, and the Alpha 12 tells it all. BUT! There are tuned cars out there running faster, with less power.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate The GTR is Powered Up beat the GT2 RS at Paul Ricard in a cornering test going in and out faster! But the GTR is getting slower times than the Z06? Its makes no sense!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Jeremy Clarkson's Powered Up. Remember that he hates the 911? He may have taken a shine to the Turbo, but he still despises the GT2 and GT3. So that's one track, with on a bias program. How about all the tracks that the GT2 RS has bested the GT-R on? Even on the GT-R's home turf at the Fuji Speedway, the GT2 RS is some 2secs faster. I'm not counting the 'Ring, since Porsche has yet to provide a video for that alleged 7:18.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg And remember that with the same driver, on the same day, on the same track, the Z06 Carbon, WITHOUT the Sport Cups, was mere milliseconds slower than the GT-R. With the SCs, it's no surprise the Z06 is turning in faster times. There is no conspiracy.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg For someone who's used to driving Mercs, BMWs and Ferraris, of course something like the Z06 or GT-R would be uncomfortable. But for someone who drives a Lotus Exige or an Ultima GTR, a shopping cart might seem like a pleasant ride. It's all relative, and that's why I prefer the to-the-point factual presentation of American tests, even if the hosts either speak like robots, try too hard to be funny, or come across as whiny jackasses.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Also, Top Gear also claimed that even the base C6 'Vette, with its soft, rollie-pollie suspension and squishy, recliner-like seats, had ride quality just as harsh as the Z06. Remember? Hammond going over a pebble and acting like someone took a steel-toed boot to his ass? Right. And then there's the fact that Clarkson changes his opinions like most people change underwear(in his own words, he says he's unreliable because he changes his mind so much).

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate That crap with hammon was unjust! But were not talking about Hammond... Where talking about the GTR by Clarkson and like that guy in Cnet but yet other reviews of the GTR's ride of the same MY is Hard and firm and blah blah blah... So how is the GTR a nice ride home with him but now the 2013 is supposed to be rock hard? It's makes no sense!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Again, it's all about opinion, personal preferences and experience. What Clarkson thinks is "comfortable", James May might call a chiropractor's wetdream. While everyone in Europe was praising the Veyron, reviewers over here were saying it rode like crap and was far from at home on winding canyon roads.

Asking why comments on ride quality for the same MY are different is like asking why laptimes for the same MY are different. Different drivers, different conditions.

[HPSLUT500]

@WelcomeToCarnate Dont forget that Clarkson said the ZR1 on the "road" was a masterpiece. So its always a matter of opinion with regards to how the Z07 pkg Z06 or ZR1 drives. But sw100xg wont tell you that lol.

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 watch?v=g4CPBfpnye0

Strange how he didn't like it here? MAster piece he was raving (mad) LOOOL!!!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg LMFAO! EXCUSES EXCUSES AGAIN!!!

Look at you making up excuses because the EIL got a 4ft difference over another test. Or moaning about .04mph difference on the slalom. Every test will show a slight difference. Its NOT all exactly the same. How you can you be so dumb.

Then you bring up that DORK from C-Net that admittted he doesnt like Corvettes... and you want to use him as reference LOL! why because its suits your argument.

The Z06 beat the GTR again. lol

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 Qutoe from EIL... "The near-illegal Michelins take time to heat up," HAHAHAHAHAH Still spamming about how a car with the above beats a car on summer tires! HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!

"285-width front tires follow every single pavement irregularity, sometimes nearly ripping the steering wheel out of your hands."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Vette is nothing without the itres LOOOL!!!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg OOPS!! Missed some info lol Seems u are UK boy... It was only 10 celsius!

Hell they didnt even have the car on its fastest setting. And clearly say it faster than that.

SO.. even on a cold day on a cold track the Z06 beat the GTR. Keep cryin lol

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 AWww boo hoo can't face it that the Vette uses poor tires for the road! And will kill you HAHAHAH!!!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg Yep another test that has the GTR sucking Z06 tailpipe. I woudl just give up if I was you. Can you imagine when GM step it up and go with a paddle shifter, more HP and maybe even awd` This will never end for u sw100xg. Just put down the crack pipe and walk away. Its just not workin out for ya hahhaahaha!!

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 So why did they put on semi slick racing tires HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Why? oh why? oh why? How come the Z06 lost last year and would STILL lose now but putting oh racing semi slicks!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Le Mans?

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg Ask Porsche - BMW - Dodge- Lotus - Audi - Lamborghini Aston Martin - why they choose semislicks while yur at it. lol Why should GM not use them when everyone else is using semislicks.

Best part is the new Michelin Super Sports are now taking over for the OLD PS2s, and the avg was 1.5 -2.0 sec faster on every car tested with them vs the 10 yr old design PS2s on the same car. OH NO!

Just keep groveling and I`ll keep loling at how obsessed and consumed you are over a tire

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

LOL!!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg So the same car you said is shit the road and good on track was called a masterpiece on the ROAD scary on the track by the man you love so well.. Jeremy Clarkson. You fell right into that one. Case and point! To each his own.

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg Oh and by the way Clarkson picked the ZR1 over the R8 V10 lol!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg I could of just imagined you seeing that test and smashing your keyboard in frustration again HA!

It doesnt matter what magazine has tested the GTR vs the Z06. The outcome is the same everytime for the 2012 GTR and now the 2013 GTR.

Go and hide till the R36 comes out. Other wise all you will be doing is repeating yourself for another year making up excuses.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate They stated "what makes the Z06 a great cicuit circular is what makes it so demanding on the public roads" They state all kinds of problems! The ZR1 can do it because it has POWER, so it can do the road and the track. But the Z06 does not have the power so is compromised... Nothing more!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg So the Z06 is not great big uneven cracks on the road, and the GTR rides like truck as Car & driver said last year, and not to mention the never ending complaints about how clunky and noisy the tranny is. The GTR in auto mode is jerky and not a nice car in town. So you really dont have shit to say. Remember Im the one out of the two of us that actually has a good friend with a GTR as my vids show. YOU have NO clue. Im still waiting for these racing vids of you in a GTR? LOL!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg I'm looking at the article right now. The only problems they mention on the road are the "corner-seeking chassis", "rent-a-car climate and nav controls", and the fact that the Sport Cups are useless in the rain. "all kinds of problems"? Hardly. Nothing that hasn't been said before, and certainly nothing to do with the tires specifically. The rain would be an issue for any tire on high-hp RWD car.

Wow, your logic sucks. More power does NOT = better road manners. At all. Ever.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg The ZR1's civility on the road is due to it's more lenient suspension, it's superior tires*(*superior to the Z06s standard Eagle F1s), and somewhat numbed steering, for the most part. Also, I do believe that, while the LS9 is more powerful than the LS7, it delivers its power more smoothly and predictably. Meaning it won't just blast off with the slightest blip of throttle.

The ZR1 is the wolf in sheep's clothing. Calm and friendly on the road, brutal and scary on the track.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate That is the GTR is should have been when released! Putting on racing tires designed by Le Mans is not making up for the cars down fallings anyione can do that. Ferrari could ask Pirreli to make them F1 semi slicks, but they want a car usable EVERYWHERE! Corvette just want it great on the track and no-where else! That's not a good engineering that's PATHETIC! Even the GT2 RS, GT3 RS on the MPSC are still good to drive on the road because they did it right!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Designed by Le Mans? Riiight...F1 semi-slicks? F1 uses full-on slicks, smart one. Ferrari HAS had PZero Corsa semi-slicks custom made for the 458, just like McLaren. But I can almost guarantee you that the cars tested on actual roads aren't riding on those semi-slicks, but on the "normal" high-performance tires.

Also, neither the GT2 or GT3RS have EVER been praised as daily drivers. Just the opposite, really, especially for the "Widowmaker" GT2.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate ACtually Autocar did a test and stated you can use it daily! But you just wouldn't really!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg You *can* use any car daily. If you wanted to, you could use an Ariel Atom or Radical SR8 as a DD. But you you wouldn't if you had any kind of sense. Same with the GT2 and GT3RS, and just about every other car riding on semi-slicks. They're track-day specials, and the make no secret about it.

The GT2 has been described as "riding inside a rock tumbler", and the GT3 is better ONLY in comparison to the GT2. This is why many GT2/GT3 reviews end with "The Turbo is better".

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate But again all these comments come from American mags but yet European and others state otherwise! Seems like the Americans need something to moan about when there cars ride so badly!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg No, they're not. I already posted what Clarkson thinks about the GT3. And I like how when the American mags say the 'Vette rides hard, you're talking them up like their word is law. But when they saw something from Europe rides hard, suddenly they don't know what they're talking about, or there's a conspiracy afoot. Nice logic.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that American cars almost never win in comparisons, and every criticism is mirrored by European reviews.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate

watch?v=yNjrVrpphgQ

watch?v=mpqLnNnZ0fg

This is what they are implying at C&D on those new tires!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg WTF are those videos supposed to mean? You actually might be the dumbest person ever? C&D didnt say the Z06 is out of control on the road and smashes into people you IDIOT? Infact both those videos say NOTHING about tires period lol

AGAIN you have NO point, Thanks again for being an ignorent useless tit. lol

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg No, that's what you wish they were implying. See, I actually read the entire article on their website, and they actually blame the twitchy handling on the "corner-seeking chassis", NOT the tires. And this has always been a characteristic of the Z06, even when it first came out. It can easily be used as a daily driver, but it demands that you know what you're doing at all times. That's why the ZR1 was specifically designed to be more forgiving both on the road and on the track

[HPSLUT500]

@WelcomeToCarnate Thissw1000xg LIVES on Vette vids saying the same thing over and over again for 7 months now. I have caught him in so many lies its hilarious. Only last week he was saying the GTR beat the Z06 at the Nurburgring with a 7:21. But.. as usual I proof him wrong

"Nissan Distances Itself From Rogue GT-R Ring Racer Video"

This tells all.

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 "proof" Do you lot actually speak English over there? It's PROVE! Never said the 7:21 is for real because it's not and stop deleting your comments!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg This coming from the same guy that corrected someone not to long ago only to not know the difference between there and their. LOL We all had a good lol about that one. And now you saying you didnt say the 7.21 was real? AGAIN I catch u LYING. Maybe I should go back and quote you?

The RE70s are INFACT a semislick outer tire you dumb fuck. The GTR is hard as hell on bumps, and also had a clunky whiny tranny, The GTR in the city in auto mode blows.

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 140 AA is not semi slick get a life and a clue stupid retard!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg HELLO!!!!! I said RE70 has a semislick outertire. Go check it out on Tire Rack you stupid kid.

"The Potenza RE070 features a high-grip tread compound molded into an asymmetric tread design to combine handling with traction. Semi-Slick outboard shoulder blocks and several continuous inboard ribs enhance initial responsiveness and increase lateral stiffness to reduce the irregular wear that can occur during hard cornering"

How cam you be so WRONG all the time?

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500

"The Potenza RE070R R2 RFT is Bridgestone's Extreme Performance Summer run-flat tire developed exclusively for the all-wheel drive Nissan GT-R super sports car. In addition to combining athletic capabilities on the street with extreme dry performance on the race track, the Potenza RE070R R2 RFT also provides temporary extended mobility for a distance of 50 miles at up to 50 mph even after a puncture has allowed complete air pressure loss. Like all summer tires," LOL!

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 HAHAHAHAH notice how it's in the EXTREME performance Summer tire! Not track tire LOOOOOL!!!

Notice again how you deleted your post HAHAHAHAH!!!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg Do you understand ANYTHING??? We didnt say saying its the very same tire as a SportCup semislick you stupid boy? You fuck up everthing you are told, and end up only seeing what you want to see.

The point was the RE70s use a SEMISLICK compound, and thats the tire that they already had on a GTR. Thats a fact.

Another FAILED comment from sw100xg.

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 You got the wrong tire HAHAHAHAH you pointed out the Subaru tire HAHAHAHAHAHA Not the GTR's they have a different tread than each others HAHAHAHAH!!! OMFG your retarded!!!

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 Also they don't use the Bridge stones any more because they sucked! Now it's the Dunlops!!! LOOOOOL!!! And the 140AA is STILL NOT 80 AA still did not use Le Mans to design them LOOOOL!!!

[sw1000xg]

@HPSLUT500 Strange how you got the wrong tire for the WRONG CAR it's a Subaru not the GTR'S HAHAHAHAHAHAH Get a clue HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Potenza RE070R RFT GTR

Potenza RE070 Subaru impretza HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you don't even know what is what HAHAHAHAHAHA you got the WRONG TIRE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

That copy and paste is from the Subaru NOT THE GTR'S HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMFG YOUR THE BEST!

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg Copy and paste this. YOU FAIL AGAIN

The Potenza RE070R R2 RFT uses a revised asymmetric tread design that features wider, lower void outboard shoulders derived from the tires delivered as Original Equipment on the Nissan GT-R SpecV in Japan. Semi-Slick outboard shoulder blocks and several continuous inboard ribs enhance initial responsiveness and increase lateral stiffness to reduce the irregular wear that can occur during hard cornering.

And have a good look at that tire.

[HPSLUT500]

@sw1000xg You just dont stand a chance? Give up.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@HPSLUT500 Yeah, I've had several arguments with him before. All of which he ends up abandoning when I back him into a corner. He loves to pick and choose his information, only posting what supports his views, as opposed to the full story. Notice that he does nothing but rag on American magazines, but the moment they have something bad to say about a 'Vette or something good about the GT-R, he's posting links left and right.

I'd love to see him try this over on the Corvette Forum.

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Porsche, Lamborghini, McLaren, Ferrari, Dodge, Bugatti, Lexus, Subaru, and even Nissan have used semi-slicks. Yes, Nissan has used semi-slicks, or at least tires that were as close to semi-slicks as possible. The Bridgestone Potenza RE070R RFT tires, with a tread wear rating of 140, were originally intended to be the GT-R's stock equipment.

If you're going to criticize one company for doing something, then the same criticism should be leveled on all who have done the same.

[sw1000xg]

@WelcomeToCarnate The Dunlops worked better at 200 AA so no there not semi slicks! And 140 AA is not semi slick!

[WelcomeToCarnate]

@sw1000xg Show me where I said the Dunlops were semi-slicks. You can't, because I didn't. And I didn't say that the RE070Rs were legit semi-slicks, either. I said "tires that were as close to semi-slicks as possible", and they are. The highest treat wear rating for a legit semi-slick I've seen is 120, which isn't that far away from 140. So, even though the RE070Rs aren't "technically" semi-slicks, they really are for all practical purposes, and are regarded as such by most.

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nice driving there!