@VyckRo Oh woe to you, lost Orthodox Catholic. Obviously God doesn't want you to see the truth, so it's entirely your fault for being so incredibly WRONG. Everyone knows that people didn't really begin to understand scripture until the 16th century when God sent the Great John Calvin to correct the shortcomings of the message Jesus embedded in the 1st century Church!
Works on their own do not bring one to everlasting life. One cannot earn their way into heaven. God who loved us so much opened heaven to us, whom he saves on his own free will, from our own inherent sinfulness. James in his epistle describes faith without works as dead. (James 2:14-26) It is important to realize that good works and deeds are a response to the gift of faith from God. Through works we encounter God. We serve Christ through our Brothers and Sisters. See also Matthew 25:31-46.
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
Calvinists are Calvinists, NOT Christians. Calvinism is a CULT!! Their theology was invented by a man named John Calvin. Orthodox Christianity is TRUE Christianity. Founded by Jesus Christ Himself. Calvinism is an apostate religion, and is just as false and heretical as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Moonies. Calvinists are a denomination/cult. DENOMINATION=HERESY!! The Orthodox Christian Church is PRE-DENOMINATIONAL. The Orthodox Christian community ALONE is the Church!!
Great video brother!! Word games.... "we"re saved only by Gods grace, BUT we have to do works of charity"... DOUBLE TALK!!! Keep up the good work my friend... You're appreciated...
I HATE THAT! I can't stand when I'm talking to a Catholic, Anglican, or an Othordox Christian and rather than sticking to scripture and what scripture says, they go on about church history - as if what early Christians did or failed to do is the be all end all of what is true.
This video is awesome. It reminds me of a lot of frustrating conversations I've had in the past. The thing is, sometimes you just can't convince people. God is the one who gives knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Sometimes all you can do is try and get at some important issues in a way they will hopefully be able to understand, or at least go home and think about, and maybe over time God will work in that person's life. This video was very funny and portrayed a realistic situation.
We do not contradict the Bible. We do not worship the Pope, he merely leads the Church through true meanings, and we only pray for him to get better; as for Mary, she wishes for us to pray to her through her son Jesus, which she raised. I am sick of these Evangelicals and other Protestants trying to criticise our beliefs and morals, and like I said, the Church came before the Bible, so stop being bent on proving us as a cult. And besides...it's OUR beliefs, not yours. BTW, Look at Mary Faustina.
@LeftHandCookie Christians disprove the Catholic Church because they are following 2 Corinthians 10:5: "We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God". That is to say destroying all beliefs that are contrary to God's Word. The roman catholic church is no different than any other false religion like Islam that believe they can earn their way to heaven. The scriptures came way before the Catholic Church, you saying the Bible came after is a lie
ok regarding acts 10:44. it never says they were saved. ur only deceiving the sottish or ones who reject truth. john 3:3,5,8. acts 10:44-48 is just stuff to think about. truth is cear, religion is complicated. please, have ethics when proving something. and next time acualy prove it.
If one reads & abide in the Word, one can separate the doctrines/traditions of men from the Word of God. We're saved by His grace, but faith w/o works is dead. We're to be holy as He is holy.If we love the world & live according to the flesh, we're not carrying our cross. Christ said there'd be those who say Lord Lord who won't enter the kingdom, but only whosoever does the will of His Father. There4, we must obey. His will for our lives is in the Word, even Deut. The Word must live in us.
Zach, I've posted many comments. *PLEASE* understand, I am not trying to spam. The comment limit frustrates me, because, I have a lot to say on this issue (that is relevant). Originally I only anticipated that I was going to leave around 5 or 6 posts, but I left more than double that. I apologize for the annoyance. I have more points to make, but, will respect your decision for me to not continue posting here (if after reading these, you judge I've been excessive in number).
Christ's true Church -- the Catholic Church-- is recognizable because of it's heirarchy which can be traced right back to the apostles themselves. The See of St. Peter, from which unity and order is maintained. And the historical usage of the word "Catholic" -- (notwithstanding groups who make the illusory distinction between "Catholic Church" and "Roman Catholic Church" -- is precisely unity with the chair of St. Peter.
As St. Augustine said (concerning envy for the word "Catholic") :
"...there are many other things which most justly keep me in her [The Catholic Church's] bosom . The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained;
so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house."
- St. Augustine
[ Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental, Ch. 4 (a.d. 397)]
(Five centuries of Sola Sciptura, and now there are literally thousands of Protestant denominations.)
Step outside the Bible, and look at what the Early Church taught. (You will discover how Catholic it is). Whose more likely to be right? The Christians who lived closer in proximity to the time of Christ and the Apostles, or Christians 2000 years later who think they can figure doctrine out (correctly) on their own using the Bible without Apostolic Tradition informing their conclusions?
The Church inteprets Sacred Scripture in light of Sacred Tradition (i.e. the orthodox teachings that have been passed down through the episcopate). The problem, as I pointed out to another Protestant -- is when a Christian decides to make *doctrinal decisions* by interpreting Scripture according to his/her own lights, instead of Tradition and Church authority. Sola Scriptura + private interpretation is a recipe for disaster, it's condusive to theological anarchy.
Now, why did I bring up Sola Scriptura? Well, in discussing Sola Fide, a Catholic and Protestant can play Bible ping-pong all they want (i.e. throw Bible verses at each other back and forth), but, to the extent that they restrict themselves to the Bible, their discussion may very well be in vain. Sola Scriptura is self-refuting and a novel doctrine, it came out of the Reformation.
"You know, I've been thinking lately .. why should I accept the NT books in the Bible as canonical? Why should I accept that the Epistle of St. Jude is part of the canon? Because some Church's bishops said so? Why should I bind myself to this Church's 4th century rulings? I'm a Protestant! I don't submit to no magisterial Church!And since I don't do it in the present, why on earth, would I do it with regards to matters concerning the past?"
(see Council of Hippo a.d. 393, and Council of Carthage a.d. 397. The list was reaffirmed in the Council of Florence a.d. 1442, and *dogmatically* ratified in the Council of Trent a.d. 1546). Also, keep in mind that mass literacy is a recent phenomenon. The majority of people in the ancient world were illiterate.
Thus, instruction on the Christian faith (which included instruction on salvation) was received in oral form by the laity (rather than laity reading the Scriptures for themselves).
namely concerning the Antilegomena/ "disputed books", including, though not limited to, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, Revelations. This isn't surprising, given the number of candidate books that existed and that thus the Church had to consider. For example, the Shepherd of Hermas came very close to be included in the canonical list.) The NT canon -- wasn't compiled until approximately 350 years after Christ
(In fact, logically speaking, before one can view regard the Bible as having authority, one must first believe that the Church (1) had the authority to decide which texts to include in the Bible, and (2) correctly identified which texts were inspired (because obviously, if some or all of the texts in the Bible are not inspired, then, uh oh.)
The New Testament canon -- (the books judged as inspired ... a discernment which involved Church debate,
-- before Sola Fide can be addressed (properly and fruitfully anyway)-- the first thing that would need to be hashed out is the foundational difference between the two. Sola Scriptura would need to be discussed. It would be worth pointing out, that Apostolic Tradition (the deposit of faith handed down by the apostles through the succession of presbyters) and Church authority *pre-existed* the formally gathered canon.
The Catholic Church does indeed teach that BOTH faith and works (not either/or) are essential to salvation. However, she does NOT teach that works done *apart* from the grace of God play a salvific role. When people accuse Catholics of believing in "works righteousness" it's misleading/ vague (and potentially a strawman). God reached down to humanity (incarnation), and calls people to faith and works. Man does not earn grace, nor is it instrinsic to man. God grace is given freely.
They provide answers to the commonest questions/objections raised by Protestants against the one holy catholic and apostolic church. ">The Romanist is only interested in parroting what he is brainwashed to believe in the Roman Catholic Church (RCC).<"
I don't see the usefulness of charging a Catholic with parroting teachings.
That charge can be reciprocated (I see Calvinists frequently appeal to Piper, Spurgeon, White, McArthur, etc).
(Can't provide the URL here, but, the site can be googled.) And to read the "Authors" section of the website (under the "About" tab).These are former, Reformed Protestants, who have come home. (That's Catholic speak for joined into full communion with the Church, i.e. conversion to the Catholic Church).I realize that in Calvinists minds, there is no such thing as an "ex-Calvinist" or "ex-Reformed-Christian". However, please consider the contents of the website.
There is much I could write, however, but it'd be too much than what would be practical for youtube, which has a comment character limit of 500 per post. Furthermore, I don't want to give the impression of "spamming" because that is not at all, what I intend. Nevertheless, I think my points will take up quite a few posts (I apologize in advance) but I will try to be as concise as I can in each.
I would like to recommend to you, the website "Called to Communion".
Zach, while I do not agree with the Roman Catholics regarding the nature of grace, I would ask how you interpret St. Jame's words when he says that without deeds, faith is "useless." This seems to indicate that faith and works cannot be cut up as much as Protestants want to do...perhaps it might help for you to posit your views concerning justification and sanctification...what do they mean? Isn't justification related to Christ and sanctification related to the Spirit?
Zach. Why don't you explain how the Calvinist avoids faith becoming a work? Perhaps with an in depth explanation of Predestination-Predetermination from your POV.
@zkueker88 Calvin taught that human nature is corrupted, and that nothing we can do will save us. A corrupt nature includes reason. A fideist who believes in 'faith alone' is going to exclude reason, more specifically a Calvinist.
@sukka113 "I deny that God is the author of evil" (Calvin's Commentaries - Acts 2:23)
"every evil proceeds from no other fountain other than the wicked lusts of man" (Commentary - James 1:13)
"Accordingly, we should contemplate the evident cause of condemnation in the corrupt nature of humanity—which is closer to us—rather than seek a hidden and utterly incomprehensible cause in God’s predestination." (Institutes 3:23:8)
Calvin taught evil created is not of God, using reason and scripture.
Wouldn't a Calvinist Christian be just as comparable to Mormons as a Roman Catholic? Since the responses of both groups are predictable? If you ask me, religions are the same all around.
"Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
@sk8teh14 Amen. And this passage is referring to a passage in Genesis where God promises to bless Abraham abundantly "because you have done this and have not withheld your son" which follows the passage referred to in Romans by St Paul in which Abraham was justified by his faith. The fact that St James made this clarification makes it all the more important, since God also promises to bless Abraham abundantly because of his faith in the passage that St Paul.
"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?"
"14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
Roman Catholics & Protestant are both HETERODOX branches of Christianity.
Both are based, doctrines that have evolved later!
The only place in the New Testament where the phrase "faith alone" is
actually used is in the Letter of James 2:24, where the Scriptures say
precisely the opposite:
Martin Luther changed the Protestant Bible and this Bible appeared generated a whole doctrine.
VyckRo 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@VyckRo Amen Orthodox brother.
magnus56j 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without works is useless?
21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for his works when he offered his
son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his works were working together,
and his faith was made complete by his works.
VyckRo 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@VyckRo Oh woe to you, lost Orthodox Catholic. Obviously God doesn't want you to see the truth, so it's entirely your fault for being so incredibly WRONG. Everyone knows that people didn't really begin to understand scripture until the 16th century when God sent the Great John Calvin to correct the shortcomings of the message Jesus embedded in the 1st century Church!
BalmungSama0 2 weeks ago
@BalmungSama0 btw, just so you don't confuse me for a real Calvinist, I'm looking deeply into the Orthodox Church.
BalmungSama0 2 weeks ago
@BalmungSama0
On my page, in the info section you can find lot of links on Orthodoxy and Protestantism.
VyckRo 2 weeks ago
Works on their own do not bring one to everlasting life. One cannot earn their way into heaven. God who loved us so much opened heaven to us, whom he saves on his own free will, from our own inherent sinfulness. James in his epistle describes faith without works as dead. (James 2:14-26) It is important to realize that good works and deeds are a response to the gift of faith from God. Through works we encounter God. We serve Christ through our Brothers and Sisters. See also Matthew 25:31-46.
MegaAwesome1992 1 month ago
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
kiwichristian2009 2 months ago
Calvinists are Calvinists, NOT Christians. Calvinism is a CULT!! Their theology was invented by a man named John Calvin. Orthodox Christianity is TRUE Christianity. Founded by Jesus Christ Himself. Calvinism is an apostate religion, and is just as false and heretical as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Moonies. Calvinists are a denomination/cult. DENOMINATION=HERESY!! The Orthodox Christian Church is PRE-DENOMINATIONAL. The Orthodox Christian community ALONE is the Church!!
magnus56j 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Great video brother!! Word games.... "we"re saved only by Gods grace, BUT we have to do works of charity"... DOUBLE TALK!!! Keep up the good work my friend... You're appreciated...
djvdiddy 2 months ago
'you need to study church history.'
I HATE THAT! I can't stand when I'm talking to a Catholic, Anglican, or an Othordox Christian and rather than sticking to scripture and what scripture says, they go on about church history - as if what early Christians did or failed to do is the be all end all of what is true.
aveyowyns 3 months ago in playlist More videos from zkueker88
Videos in which one person attempts to present both sides of an argument in order to show that one side is correct are always incredibly stupid
TheOldBeef 4 months ago
This video is awesome. It reminds me of a lot of frustrating conversations I've had in the past. The thing is, sometimes you just can't convince people. God is the one who gives knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Sometimes all you can do is try and get at some important issues in a way they will hopefully be able to understand, or at least go home and think about, and maybe over time God will work in that person's life. This video was very funny and portrayed a realistic situation.
Kenjuu 4 months ago
We do not contradict the Bible. We do not worship the Pope, he merely leads the Church through true meanings, and we only pray for him to get better; as for Mary, she wishes for us to pray to her through her son Jesus, which she raised. I am sick of these Evangelicals and other Protestants trying to criticise our beliefs and morals, and like I said, the Church came before the Bible, so stop being bent on proving us as a cult. And besides...it's OUR beliefs, not yours. BTW, Look at Mary Faustina.
LeftHandCookie 5 months ago
Also, what came first? The Catholic Church or the Bible?
LeftHandCookie 5 months ago
Why are you trying to disprove the Catholic church? The Catholic Church has done nothing against you.
LeftHandCookie 5 months ago
@LeftHandCookie Christians disprove the Catholic Church because they are following 2 Corinthians 10:5: "We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God". That is to say destroying all beliefs that are contrary to God's Word. The roman catholic church is no different than any other false religion like Islam that believe they can earn their way to heaven. The scriptures came way before the Catholic Church, you saying the Bible came after is a lie
Risen1s 4 months ago
If "salvation" isn't conditional then does God save dogs, ants, trees, and rocks?
If one must be a human to be eligible for "salvation" then you have just put a limitation on the grace of God.
insidetrip101 5 months ago
ok regarding acts 10:44. it never says they were saved. ur only deceiving the sottish or ones who reject truth. john 3:3,5,8. acts 10:44-48 is just stuff to think about. truth is cear, religion is complicated. please, have ethics when proving something. and next time acualy prove it.
tball4513 6 months ago
If one reads & abide in the Word, one can separate the doctrines/traditions of men from the Word of God. We're saved by His grace, but faith w/o works is dead. We're to be holy as He is holy.If we love the world & live according to the flesh, we're not carrying our cross. Christ said there'd be those who say Lord Lord who won't enter the kingdom, but only whosoever does the will of His Father. There4, we must obey. His will for our lives is in the Word, even Deut. The Word must live in us.
ProphecySDarko 6 months ago
Zach, I've posted many comments. *PLEASE* understand, I am not trying to spam. The comment limit frustrates me, because, I have a lot to say on this issue (that is relevant). Originally I only anticipated that I was going to leave around 5 or 6 posts, but I left more than double that. I apologize for the annoyance. I have more points to make, but, will respect your decision for me to not continue posting here (if after reading these, you judge I've been excessive in number).
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Christ's true Church -- the Catholic Church-- is recognizable because of it's heirarchy which can be traced right back to the apostles themselves. The See of St. Peter, from which unity and order is maintained. And the historical usage of the word "Catholic" -- (notwithstanding groups who make the illusory distinction between "Catholic Church" and "Roman Catholic Church" -- is precisely unity with the chair of St. Peter.
As St. Augustine said (concerning envy for the word "Catholic") :
Livelyanv 6 months ago
"...there are many other things which most justly keep me in her [The Catholic Church's] bosom . The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep, down to the present episcopate. And so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained;
Livelyanv 6 months ago
so that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture to point to his own chapel or house."
- St. Augustine
[ Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental, Ch. 4 (a.d. 397)]
Livelyanv 6 months ago
#13
(Five centuries of Sola Sciptura, and now there are literally thousands of Protestant denominations.)
Step outside the Bible, and look at what the Early Church taught. (You will discover how Catholic it is). Whose more likely to be right? The Christians who lived closer in proximity to the time of Christ and the Apostles, or Christians 2000 years later who think they can figure doctrine out (correctly) on their own using the Bible without Apostolic Tradition informing their conclusions?
Livelyanv 6 months ago
#12
The Church inteprets Sacred Scripture in light of Sacred Tradition (i.e. the orthodox teachings that have been passed down through the episcopate). The problem, as I pointed out to another Protestant -- is when a Christian decides to make *doctrinal decisions* by interpreting Scripture according to his/her own lights, instead of Tradition and Church authority. Sola Scriptura + private interpretation is a recipe for disaster, it's condusive to theological anarchy.
Livelyanv 6 months ago
#11
Now, why did I bring up Sola Scriptura? Well, in discussing Sola Fide, a Catholic and Protestant can play Bible ping-pong all they want (i.e. throw Bible verses at each other back and forth), but, to the extent that they restrict themselves to the Bible, their discussion may very well be in vain. Sola Scriptura is self-refuting and a novel doctrine, it came out of the Reformation.
Livelyanv 6 months ago
#10
Imagine if a Protestant said:
"You know, I've been thinking lately .. why should I accept the NT books in the Bible as canonical? Why should I accept that the Epistle of St. Jude is part of the canon? Because some Church's bishops said so? Why should I bind myself to this Church's 4th century rulings? I'm a Protestant! I don't submit to no magisterial Church!And since I don't do it in the present, why on earth, would I do it with regards to matters concerning the past?"
Livelyanv 6 months ago
#9
(see Council of Hippo a.d. 393, and Council of Carthage a.d. 397. The list was reaffirmed in the Council of Florence a.d. 1442, and *dogmatically* ratified in the Council of Trent a.d. 1546). Also, keep in mind that mass literacy is a recent phenomenon. The majority of people in the ancient world were illiterate.
Thus, instruction on the Christian faith (which included instruction on salvation) was received in oral form by the laity (rather than laity reading the Scriptures for themselves).
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #8
namely concerning the Antilegomena/ "disputed books", including, though not limited to, Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, Revelations. This isn't surprising, given the number of candidate books that existed and that thus the Church had to consider. For example, the Shepherd of Hermas came very close to be included in the canonical list.) The NT canon -- wasn't compiled until approximately 350 years after Christ
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #7
(In fact, logically speaking, before one can view regard the Bible as having authority, one must first believe that the Church (1) had the authority to decide which texts to include in the Bible, and (2) correctly identified which texts were inspired (because obviously, if some or all of the texts in the Bible are not inspired, then, uh oh.)
The New Testament canon -- (the books judged as inspired ... a discernment which involved Church debate,
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #6
-- before Sola Fide can be addressed (properly and fruitfully anyway)-- the first thing that would need to be hashed out is the foundational difference between the two. Sola Scriptura would need to be discussed. It would be worth pointing out, that Apostolic Tradition (the deposit of faith handed down by the apostles through the succession of presbyters) and Church authority *pre-existed* the formally gathered canon.
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #5
As the ecumenical Council of Trent stated:
"If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works,
whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema."
(Session 6, Canon I )
Your video focuses on Justification in particular, but it must be understood that in any discussion between a Protestant and Catholic ...
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #4
The Catholic Church does indeed teach that BOTH faith and works (not either/or) are essential to salvation. However, she does NOT teach that works done *apart* from the grace of God play a salvific role. When people accuse Catholics of believing in "works righteousness" it's misleading/ vague (and potentially a strawman). God reached down to humanity (incarnation), and calls people to faith and works. Man does not earn grace, nor is it instrinsic to man. God grace is given freely.
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #3
They provide answers to the commonest questions/objections raised by Protestants against the one holy catholic and apostolic church. ">The Romanist is only interested in parroting what he is brainwashed to believe in the Roman Catholic Church (RCC).<"
I don't see the usefulness of charging a Catholic with parroting teachings.
That charge can be reciprocated (I see Calvinists frequently appeal to Piper, Spurgeon, White, McArthur, etc).
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Post #2
(Can't provide the URL here, but, the site can be googled.) And to read the "Authors" section of the website (under the "About" tab).These are former, Reformed Protestants, who have come home. (That's Catholic speak for joined into full communion with the Church, i.e. conversion to the Catholic Church).I realize that in Calvinists minds, there is no such thing as an "ex-Calvinist" or "ex-Reformed-Christian". However, please consider the contents of the website.
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Hi Zach,
Post #1
There is much I could write, however, but it'd be too much than what would be practical for youtube, which has a comment character limit of 500 per post. Furthermore, I don't want to give the impression of "spamming" because that is not at all, what I intend. Nevertheless, I think my points will take up quite a few posts (I apologize in advance) but I will try to be as concise as I can in each.
I would like to recommend to you, the website "Called to Communion".
Livelyanv 6 months ago
Zach, while I do not agree with the Roman Catholics regarding the nature of grace, I would ask how you interpret St. Jame's words when he says that without deeds, faith is "useless." This seems to indicate that faith and works cannot be cut up as much as Protestants want to do...perhaps it might help for you to posit your views concerning justification and sanctification...what do they mean? Isn't justification related to Christ and sanctification related to the Spirit?
Paleolutheran 6 months ago
Zach. Why don't you explain how the Calvinist avoids faith becoming a work? Perhaps with an in depth explanation of Predestination-Predetermination from your POV.
BeingBob 6 months ago
@BeingBob
Faith is God's work being worked through us :)
see John 6:28-29, for example
zkueker88 6 months ago
i find it ironic that the calvanist is making 'reasonable statements' when Calvin taught that reason and anything created is evil, lol.
sukka113 6 months ago
@sukka113
that's a silly claim. what made you figure that?
zkueker88 6 months ago
@zkueker88 Calvin taught that human nature is corrupted, and that nothing we can do will save us. A corrupt nature includes reason. A fideist who believes in 'faith alone' is going to exclude reason, more specifically a Calvinist.
sukka113 6 months ago
@sukka113 "I deny that God is the author of evil" (Calvin's Commentaries - Acts 2:23)
"every evil proceeds from no other fountain other than the wicked lusts of man" (Commentary - James 1:13)
"Accordingly, we should contemplate the evident cause of condemnation in the corrupt nature of humanity—which is closer to us—rather than seek a hidden and utterly incomprehensible cause in God’s predestination." (Institutes 3:23:8)
Calvin taught evil created is not of God, using reason and scripture.
ChristianDefence 6 months ago
@sukka113 That's one of the most ignorant comments I've heard. Could you quote EXACTLY where you read that? Or are you going by hearsay?
ThePanchoStern 2 months ago in playlist Romanism
"Sorry, i panicked." Funny. That bell and wind blowing soundtrack hypnotized me.
1tmoch 6 months ago
Wouldn't a Calvinist Christian be just as comparable to Mormons as a Roman Catholic? Since the responses of both groups are predictable? If you ask me, religions are the same all around.
ThisIsMinistry 6 months ago
"Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
James 2:14-26
sk8teh14 6 months ago
"Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g]And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
sk8teh14 6 months ago 2
@sk8teh14 Amen. And this passage is referring to a passage in Genesis where God promises to bless Abraham abundantly "because you have done this and have not withheld your son" which follows the passage referred to in Romans by St Paul in which Abraham was justified by his faith. The fact that St James made this clarification makes it all the more important, since God also promises to bless Abraham abundantly because of his faith in the passage that St Paul.
BeingBob 6 months ago
"But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?"
sk8teh14 6 months ago
"14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
sk8teh14 6 months ago
Pure stupidity
OneTrueChurch 6 months ago
Why do the voices sound so robotic?? and that bell thing. theres alot of potential here.
taco1010 6 months ago
that rolling bell tone in the audio is quite aggravating
ulisscarple 6 months ago
the animation and phony voices takes the strength out of this message...
seaneire 6 months ago
@seaneire
I agree.
TheObservationDeck 6 months ago