Try it and die. We will not allow the control over our own bodies to be taken away. Period. So go ahead and bring it.... Find out what happens to you, shitstain.
We can argue day and night over this but at the end of the day it remains a private decision that neither you or me can take for someone else. It's as clear as that. Simply screaming "murder!!!" doesn't make it so. If it were murder, believe me, I wouldn't need convincing. And neither would the million of pro-choice women in this country who believe abortions need to remain safe, legal, accessible.
Again, I'll say this again and again and again. If men were having kids they wouldn't have any problems committing "murder" and "taking away a life" or whatever B.S. they want to say. Sure, a fertilized egg, MAYBE, will become after 9 months a baby. Sure. But it is not a human yet. And it is living in someone else's body. Surely that entitles that someone to make decisions about it.
It always makes one cringe when you hear anti-choicers talk about "life." Because the life of the pregnant woman is never factored in their anti-choice views. And it's not like most of them would actually campaign for improved economic conditions for women, or better childcare to help them. How about just trusting women? How about making sure they have a decent quality of life? How about not controlling their decisions?
Sure. Abortion was a crime after "quickening" (i.e.: when the woman could feel movement in her womb, usually after many weeks of gestation). Which would have made about 99% of abortions totally legal. And no, abortion was not criminalized because of "science" (after all science tells us that a fetus is not a child... we're not the anti-science around here and have nothign to fear from science) but because of anti-women currents of the 19th century.
@Skulander1 You still misunderstand the point of "quickening". That was the point in law when they could prove the baby was alive, not the point where it became a baby.
Fetus - Latin fētus bringing forth of young, hence that which is born, offspring, young still in the womb,
@BloodmoneyFilm Oh but it doesn't matter. Abortion was legal. And it doesn't matter how you qualify the fetus. Call it fetus, zygote, "alien," child, kid, baby, why not full grown man while we're at it, uh? Why not grant it the right to vote and make it pay taxes. Point is, as long as it is in someone's body that someone is entitled to make decisions about this fact. Not you. Not me. Not the state. Not the church. Whether you like this or not.
@Skulander1 How about call it Human. A Human being, in the process of being developed.
That human in development is, and will become, what we recognize as an individual. If you have an abortion, you end the development of that individual.
We are not entitled to make decisions concerning the life or death of an individual human being. This would be disregarding the value of human life and the individual.
@LordThranduil234 A fetus is NOT an individual human being. It sustains itself through the mother and can't survive independently. Just let the woman choose what she wants. If that's abortion, so be it. None of us have the right to tell her what to do.
You obviously don't know legal history. Abortion was always a crime after quickening, which is when they baby started moving. It was not because this is when they thought the baby was a human being but when they knew it was actually alive. Abortion statutes were put on the books in the mid nineteenth century when through science they learned that we become living human beings from the moment of conception.
Anyways. I'm done here. I don't "debate" human rights. And anyways I trust women, I trust them to know better than to fall for your misogynistic propaganda. I prefer to be busy educating people of the dangers people like you pose to their health.
@Skulander1 one more thing buddy you did not answer my question. and it its not holding you hostage of your own body if your having sex you should be open to pregnancy .
And I wonder what these forced-birthers would say if we FORCED them to adopt a disabled child, or a black child, or any child that typically gets left behind in adoption agencies. Yeah. Something tells me forcing a woman to give birth wouldn't be so cool anymore.
And "Bloodmoney": not that ANY of you anti-choicers would ACTUALLY do something to make sure women are safe. You don't care about women, I suspect you don't even actually care about the fetus. All you care about is control of women's bodies, control, control, control.
Women have been having abortions since the beginning of times. Making abortions illegal won't stop them, on the contrary. And anti-contraception, anti-sex stances like we see in the U.S. are only making sure MORE abortions will be needed. Abortions need to be kept safe, accessible and legal to save women's lives. And to make sure they are not made slaves to their bodies and enjoy the same equality with men.
@Skulander1 Tell that to the all the women that have been killed by your so called safe abortions. Murder has been around for a long time as well and people will always murder people even with laws saying it not okay. But as a society we are not going to say that murder is okay are we, except of course in the case of the unborn child.
@BloodmoneyFilm Abortion is 14 safer than actually giving birth. Just sayin'... And there will only be MORE women dying thanks to your anti-women stance.
@BloodmoneyFilm Murder is a crime. Abortion is not. And abortion has been legal for quite some time actually, before the U.S. banned it in the 19th century. You've always tried to make an argument to ban it again, and failed. You will continue to fail.
Again, men can talk a lot and attempt to control women's bodies and take away their reproductive rights all they want. But these people are not "pro-life": they're anti-women and pro-control. You cannot take away women's reproductive rights, seriously endangering their lives and putting their future at risk, and yet claiming to be "pro-life." "Pro-life" is the biggest lie ever.
@Skulander1 It is a scientific fact that it is a human being from the moment of conception, no matter what you want to call it. If it is a human being that is being killed, then it is murder.
@BloodmoneyFilm It's a clump of cells that happens to be in MY BODY. YOU have no business telling women what happens in the case of an unplanned pregnancy. We can argue this day and night, you have no moral authority to decide for all women out there.
Its funny how the topic of criminality inside the abortion industry turns into propaganda against the universal right of people to have health care. How funny that one idea just flows into another...and how conveniently political, too!
Welcome to reality people, you do whatever you want with your own body, and people do whatever they want with their own body, its called reality, get used to it.
@AylaPersephone just like focus on the family puts so much shame into the LGBT community they drive people to hide in the shadows and commit suicide. Instead of trying to solve the situation they would rather bible thump. I asked a pro life person (btw. i am pro life as well) the following scenario...
@AylaPersephone Say you approach someone who is contemplating abortion and use the Bible to try to convince them not to and they don't listen for any multitude of reasoning (not religious, too abrasive...ect). So that approach fails. Now say someone comes up to the very same person but uses any other multitude of reasons not to abort or how not to become pregnant in the first place (ie. fiscal reasons or social reasons without directly beating them over the head with the Bible).
@AylaPersephone My point is the end result is the same, and you were able to save a life. This persons response was that because you are not publicly giving the glory to god in front of that person its not the same. You HAVE to use the God to fix the problem. Half the time I think my fellow Christians are so blinded by the light they forget reality and live in their fantasy wonderland.
Well let's say that a woman gets impregnated by a man who doesn't desire this child therefore he leaves. The woman has no choice so she keeps the child even though she cannot financially support herself or the child. The child will grow up without a father, in bad conditions, and will probably suffer a lot. Do you really want this to happen? Do you really want to destroy the life of both the mother and the child? Not even end it abruptly, but make both of them suffer?
I don't like abortion, but the idea that there's some kind of conspiracy from planned parenthood to knock up teens and then kill a bunch of babies is just insane.
The abandonment of the reproductive function is the common feature of all perversions. We actually describe a sexual activity as perverse if it has given up the aim of reproduction and pursues the attainment of pleasure as an aim independent of it. So, as you will see, the breach and turning point in the development of sexual life lies in becoming subordinate to the purpose of reproduction.
@adorima Everything that happens before this turn of events and equally everything that disregards it and that aims solely at obtaining pleasure is given the uncomplimentary name of "perverse" and as such is proscribed. ~ Sigmund Frued (no friend of religion)
Wow! This must be striking a nerve for the pro-abortion people to get so hateful. Rape/incest is a blilp on the screen of the abortion picture in this country. We are a selfish nation that puts our gratification ahead of human life. Science will prove R Vs. W caused this genocide we call choice. Which side of history do you want to be on? This is our holocaust and propoganda is creating it, just like in Nazi Germany. If you don't think abortion is wrong, you have buried your head in the sand.
@sheform Either it's striking a nerve, or there's a corrolation between pro-abortion people and their inability to not be vulgar. Thanks for your conviction and condemnation of this ridiculous argument that because there are cases of rape in incest (w w w. guttmacher . o r g /pubs/fb_induced_abortion . html#7a), abortion is justified. I'm sure nobody who reads and observes the people around them who get abortions, actually believe that it's because of rape and incest that abortion is justified.
@adorima "Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner" ~ from link. Doesn't sound like rape or incest to me. What's more you can't un-rape or un-incest = untraumatize someone because you kill the baby.
When someone tells me that their opinion about what I can do with my own body is more important than MY opinion, you are DAMN STRAIGHT I'm going to be angry. Don't want to get the shit beat out of you? Don't interfere with my body. It's that fucking simple.
There are a high percentage of American women who have had abortions. This may account for the hate rhetoric such as "anti-choice". They insult us though they know nothing about us. Many of us have had abortions or been in the abortion industry. We are women and men. Young people are increasingly pro-life because they see themselves as abortion survivors. Many of us are spiritual people, some are atheists.
Its pro abortionists who are anti choice! They want to take out sonagrams, lie about the serious risks of abortion, close down pregnancy centers and empower monsters like planned parentgood. The only choice they support is abortion. Nothing sane about destroying a child. You just dont have a heart.
Using incest as an excuse for the rest of the 99% of abortions that "planned abortions" profit from is not only insulting to the victim - mother, but more directly to God. Shame on you for justifying murder in the name of choice!
@Skulander But you have no problem accepting the Roe decision even though it was made by nine men. Obviously you only believe what you do when it conforms to your own opinion.
It's easy being against abortion when you're not the one being pregnant. 77% of people in Congress are men. 100% will never get pregnant. We need more women making pro-women decisions.
@Skulander1 That's very true. But then the human race would have died out a long time ago due to a 0% birth rate. Seriously, men FAINT when they witness a childbirth, do you honestly think they'd be able to actually go through it?
@dolceclavier Well, legalizing abortions doesn't mean NO ONE will ever get pregnant, ever, ever. It only means women can chose IF and WHEN they get pregnant. As for rape and incest (to respond to another post from someone else), sure, these are rare cases. Still that's no justification for forcing women to carry to term each and every fertilized egg. Like I said, men would never accept being controlled that way.
@Skulander1 "abortion is murder and murders against the law". what kind of insane person would say abortion is not wrong. your ignorant and trying to make yourself feel better about a mistake you and others might have made.
@stlcard1994 But abortion is NOT wrong. And yeah, are you calling "ignorant" everyone who doesn't agree with you on this issue? And I'm certainly not trying to make myself feel better and whatever "mistake" (uh?), LOL!!!! That's hilarious: why are you implying I feel bad, or that women who had abortions feel bad? No, I think women are perfectly able to make their own decisions and have nothing to apologize for. Women have abortions for lots of reasons. It's not for you to judge.
@Skulander1 your insane. How is killing an innocent child not wrong. What us your problem life starts at conception and it is something to be loved and cherished . why is it ok to kill a unborn child. even Roe now is pro life saying abortion in a terrible thing. i don't understand how someone could ever say it is acceptable to kill a unborn child. It is proven that like starts at conception !
@stlcard1994 Killing a child is wrong. But what child? 90% of abortons occurs during the 1st trimester. At this stage it isn't a "child" and certainly it's up to the woman to decide. Not you. Is an egg a chicken?
@stlcard1994 And yeah. Classy to call people you disagree with "insane." I could say just as much about you. It's insane to take away women's human rights and to make them slaves to their bodies, to simply tell them "oh well I don't care what YOU fell I'll force you to have this fetus to term." You're gross. And a misogynist.
Another anti-choice propaganda movie. Don't they have no shame? BTW women don't speak about their abortions because they're call all sorts of horrific names when they do. Not because they are "traumatized" about their decision. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. This is a private decision that involves the woman. Anti-choicers have no say in this. Disgusting people they are.
Witnesses have seen people shove crying women through clinic doors. Dr. George Tiller performed an abortion on a 10 year old incest victim who was brought to Kansas from California. Research, in a number of countries, shows that suicides and accidents are 4 to 6 times higher in post-abortive women and they are 144% more likely to abuse other children. In China, women and their extended families are being brutalized and killed for having babies illegally.
What people are seeminly forgetting about is how a woman get's pregnant...so tell me, some 14 year old girl who is repeatedly raped by her say....Father, brother, and falls pregnant, and is FORCED to have and rear the child due to the "right to life" where is this young girls "right to life?"
@eggberta thats not the main reason they go to get an abortion most go for their own selfish reasons.
the kid being violated repeatedly should go get help, not an abortion. many people want children and cant have them, so what about adoption? your attempt to justify the dehumanisation in this world makes you a contributor to it. you support the dictation of your own morality which makes you stand with the pedofiles and rapist you hate so much. you need to seriously rethink your intentions.
@truth2350 - LOL! 1st of all...because I have a differing opinion on what I feel is a good option to a very friken lousy situation, I am now classed the same as a rapist? Seriously! LOL! Right...so are you going to PAY for that girl to go through YEARS of therapy for the rest of her life due to what happened to her then if she is FORCED to have that child? Probably not...you'll then say she has to go find her own help. Your such a hypocrite.
@mahre7 Bitch please. Childbirth is an extremely painful process that no child should go through. Plus, if the 14 year old had the baby, the baby's life is doomed to be miserable should it live in an abusive home, find out his true parentage, etc.
you all are so quick to judge and spout what "you" believe to be true about logic, science, god, and whats wrong and right, how about the fact that this is "America" so called...a place where we slowly take away the freedom of choice and our rights as individuals to chose the life we want to live because thats how it was and how it should always be "FREEDOM" !!!! ......my ass!!!
@kjrk08 As a sane person, I would gladly give up my right to "freedom" if it meant stopping me from killing a mother, father, brother, sister and yes, my own child.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness. In that order.
@adorima "as a sane person" i disagree because i have a different idea of what sane really is and so do you first off this is just a typical propaganda film and i have done loads of research into this because it was so appalling and disturbing to watch that i using my own ability to seek the truth and not some scare me into believing youtube film where anyone and a monkey can make anything they want, found out that more than half of this is untrue...and if you dont want freedom go to korea
@kjrk08 Hey now, watch it with the Korea comment. North Korea definitely is a repressive totalitarianism dictatorship but South Korea's doing ok, although it could be better.
Human kind confuses and sometimes sickens me. To kill a unborn baby without a conscious that never developed enough to know or feel anything is apparently a abomination, but compare that to the masses of animal stock that is killed every day is justified.
Never mind the actual parents view on the matter, who actually are more likely to not have money in order to bring up that child, or have issues over who the father is, meaning abortion is the better for the ones who are actually living.
This movie TELLS THE TRUTH. And it's not about God. For some maybe. But I'm not a Bible thumper and for me, it's about science and logic. TWO separate lives are affected by abortion. Plain & simple. There is now irrefutable and conclusive science to back that up. Sure, some will argue that, but the majority of scientists agree. Good enough for me and any thinking person who appreciates logic. Two sets of genetic markers. Two sets of DNA. Two lives. And one is torn apart or burned in the womb.
I believe most pro abortion people mean well. They are (and I was) all about protecting life - the life of the mother. But when I learned TWO LIVES are affected, two unique individuals with two separate genetic make-ups and DNA --- and two beating hearts, I had to logically change my mind... and heart. This is a powerful film that TELLS THE TRUTH. Lastly, the people who produced this film are very brave. Pro abortionists can be really mean and hostile. I know. Because I was once one of them.
@themccanns I'm prejudiced against people who use their belief in a magical sky god to infringe the liberties of others, you're right. And I'm damn proud of it.
God is against abortions and yet he causes miscarriages. Just let the people chose for themselves goddammit, are you going to raise that child once it is born. What a bunch of self-righteous pricks...
@Pentagon1311 Nope. You are pretty self-righteous though. Most of the people you are railing against WOULD take the child. There are HUUUGE lines of people wanting to adopt. Know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.
@themccanns Yeah right, i don't see prolifers with 10-15 kids in their homes. You raise the kid conceived by rape, i know it's easy to blabber from the stands, it always is. How quick are we to judge and force our views onto other people. You guys truly are a bunch of self-righteous pricks.
@fintyrock Can't you figure it out? You pray that things will happen, or stop happening, and it doesn't work because prayer doesn't work because gods are imaginary.
Did you guys know, that Adolf Hitler's mother was told to get an abortion by her doctor, because he said their could be complications in her pregnancy? She decided not to.
Just to all of you who say that abortions ruin our future and some shit.
Just telling you, science has proven a fetus' brain doesn't work before the third month of pregnancy. After that month, abortions are illegal in most countries. Before that, it technically isn't even 'alive' yet. I am not looking to argue with you on this, and if you reply, especially immaturely, I will not read it, or reply.
Since I am just informing you of a fact, like one of those little tidbits of trivia you read in those 'random facts' booklets.
Awesome - follow the money and see why heinous acts thrive. And US? Planned Parenthood = billions of your tax dollars. There's a place to start the cuts, President Obama! Plus - PP targets minority neighbourhoods. Cynical racist eugenics!
Sex is not only for pregnancy. To say such a thing is both ludicrous and ignorant. Abortion should stay very legal. Not just because it could a be a rape victim or anything like that. But because it's a freedom and a right that no one else has the right to take away. Because once you do, this is no longer a democracy. Not to mention the medical advancements that are being made from the stem cells.
@Deadbeliefs More advancements are being made with Adult Stem Cells. America is not and never has been a democracy. Restudy the founding of our great nation.
@LoveMyRuger Stem cell research from fetus' are better because they can make them grow into whatever they want. That being said, adult stem cells cannot. As for the democracy it has always been a democracy as apposed to a dictatorship which is what you find elsewhere in the world. They vote on everything, for instance the latest tax height, they voted on the matter correct. HENSE democracy. Restudy your great nation.
@triacylglyceride AND, WITH EVERY RIGHT COMES AN ACCOMPANYING RESPONSIBILITY! PREGNANCY NOT AN OPTION? THEN BE RESPONSIBLE AND DON'T DO WHAT MAKES IT HAPPEN!
Why not just let people do what they want with their body, if they are not ready to have a child, why should you have a saying in it? it's their life, not fucking yours.
@LesterMDK Please follow your reasoning through to its end. If a pregnancy is inconvenient, end it. If part of the population is inconvenient, get rid of them. Your "rights" do not extend above another human being's right to live! Also no capitalist industry should be making millions off something this degrading to humanity.
@AmmorMagnusDoctorEst It's not like we need more babies or anything, I'm just saying if a girl doesn't want to have a baby for some reason, (raped, too young, health problems) why shouldn't she be given the rights to be able to decide if she wants to keep the baby? and what are these "capitalist industries" that are making money of abortions? You can only blame yourself and the US government for that.
Your reasoning is based entirely on the assumption that the unborn isn't human. Rape, being too young, etc., unless the mother will die giving birth, don't justify abortion. So much time is wasted on this debate. The one question you need to answer: What is the unborn? Is it human? If not why not? Four things you must consider. (1)Size (2)Level of Development (3)Environment (4)Dependency. A simple analysis of these attributes, you will see that there is no escape. Life begins at conception!
@mrhankie2025 I read a case that showed what happened when the law valued the fetus over the mother. The mother, who was in remission after battling cancer, got pregnant because the doctor allowed it. Unfortunately, the cancer came back and the only way to survive was to get an abortion. But the court forced her to deliver prematurely via c-section which resulted in the baby dying within 2 hours and the woman dying a few weeks after due to cancer. What do you have to say to that?
@LesterMDK You know, there's a thing called ADOPTION! Sometimes the waiting list for that is years long and the people that adopt them actually CARE unlike PP!
@morten325 That's not the argument of the film. If you masturbate you stop the potential lives of millions. If you abort an already formed human, you kill one. That's the argument.
@morten325 Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but your sperm is not composed of miniature humans. When i worked in afg. they delivered babies of women afraid of being killed for being pregnant outside of marriage as early as 5 months! the babies survived outside the womb... So you are telling me that if I went and killed one of those babies it would be murder but not if it happens to still be inside the mother? the best argument you have for abortion is yourself
@TheHardout2005 It's not considered a human being until a certain time. If you get raped, would you not have an abortion? You would ruin your own future and the baby's future. The baby wouldn't have a father and you might not have the economy to support. Of course there should be rules about abortion, but I don't think that it's wrong. It shouldn't be used as a common thing instead of condoms, but as a regret or as safety. If you're not able to support the baby, it would be worse for both.
@morten325 Actually, it is considered human - which is quite irrelevant when you ask yourself if he/she is actually human, as opposed to what we believe about him/her. And an unborn child is *objectively* a human being. If you aren't familiar with objectivity, you'd be best to familiarise yourself with it because it's important, here.
Now, do you consider the right to a certain quality of life to be greater than the right to life itself. Surely that defeats itself!
@morten325 CONT Now, if abortion is a good thing, and you aren't killing a human being, then why reduce the number of abortions at all? I say have as many as you want if you aren't killing a human! Unfortunately, knowing what I know (and I used to support abortion) that is not the case. My conscience will not allow me to support what has become (quite literally) genocide in Western society.
I hope you're interested in learning the truth about things as important as this. I'm glad I did :)
@TheHardout2005 Abortion shouldn't be used in the same way that we use comdoms, it should be used as a last resort. The fetus isn't considered a human being until a certain time. It's just a collection of cells. This video shows some extreme variant of abortion that is not reality. It's like calling every muslim a terrorist, when that's not reality. Are you a racist perhaps?
"A foetus isn't considered human until a certain time" I disagree but, nevertheless: by whom? When? Why then? What's the reasoning? Is it objective or subjective?
"It's just a collection of cells" - don't kill me! For I am also a collection of cells. I'd be willing to bet that you are too ;)
I don't much care about the manner in which an abortion is undertaken, as a human being dies with every method.
Calling me a racist is illogical (non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy), and the comparison is, too. Please explain your comparison.
Also, you didn't answer my question from before: is (potential) life quality more important than (actual) life? I should think that there could exist no other rights if the right to life did not first exist in order to provide a basis for them. Am I wrong here? Your thoughts, please.
@TheHardout2005 Life quality is more important, when what you're talking about is not concidered as actual life. It's not like you're "killing" an baby, but at a stage where nothing has really developed into a baby yet. Therefore your statement is invalid. How do kill something that's not alive yet. In the first 12 weeks of the pregnancy, when abortions are done, the "baby" is still considered an embryo. Embryo's are just a collection of cells, not life.
@morten325 Yeah I used to believe that, too. You don't have to call it a baby - but you do have to call it a human person. Because it is. Objectively. By saying it isn't considered a human you are obfuscating the issue, subjectively. This is science and therefore an objective issue.
Life's quality is more important? But how can that be possible if it's based on life itself? It's self-contradictory.
I need far more words for this... It is a human person, and it is living, and I can prove it.
@TheHardout2005 Let us suppose that life's quality was in fact a justification to - ironically - end a life. That would compell us in the end to kill - or "interrupt the respiratory, heart and brain functions" of - individuals with cronical loss of the kidney function just so that we "spare" them having to go through dialisis 2 times a week; individuals with a major depression, with severe anxiety disorders; with cronic obstructive pulmonary disease; and examples go on and on...
Congrats for the awesome comment you wrote, Hardout :) It's always good to see people who value life for what it is, not for how "pretty" it looks to the eyes of eugenics.
@GenetikMeisterin Yes it would indeed be ironic if the logic were valid! Haha
Unfortunately, no one seems to understand that rights must exist in a hierarchy - some are certainly more important than others. No one seems to realise that for rights to have any basis whatsoever, there mut first exist the right to exist!
@morten325 and LesterMDK i think u should watch this film before u comment. I dont think abortion is an issue at all until i watched it and realised i have no understanding whasoever what abortion really is. i'm not against it or recommends, i've no say it is right or wrong but if u watch the documentary u'll see all these women, they weren't given a choice. they didnt say i chose to do it cos it think it was best, but they said, i had no choice. cos ignorant ppl like u,duno what it feels like.
let's not talk about the dead, the women who did abortion usually traumatised and felt guilty although they didnt say so. they get infections, caused infertility and so on. and about the baby, the dna of the tissue on first day is already a different individual than the mother's and if you study biology, all the genetics, gender had already been decided at this very moment and this life can goes on to death. it doesnt start after first trimester it start on day one. and it - is a baby.
@mooty5683 That has nothing to do with Abortion. It's about being able to have a choice. " if u watch the documentary u'll see all these women, they weren't given a choice. they didnt say i chose to do it cos it think it was best, but they said, i had no choice."- This has nothing to do with Abortion, but the act of free will.
Nope, I am saying that there are millions of children being molested, abused and starved here in our country. Why do we turn a blind eye to them and focus on trying to bring more poor souls into this world that will most likely end up in a similar situation!
Please focus your energy on helping the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 year old children being abused daily. Once we have no more children being abused, then we can try to help the ones that are not born yet.
Hola: me denunciaron por copyrigth, la película no se ha exhibido en Sudamérica, solo queremos que ayude a salvar niños...si la diesen en sud américa no habría que estarla subiendo para que se pueda usar el recurso de vuestra propiedad...¿Por que no la liberan?...o¿o la exhiben en sud america?
@iamspid3rman, talk about one-sided, hysterical, and dishonest propaganda. It's sad that some sheeple will be so blind, uneducated, or indoctrinated by the radical religious reich that they will passively accept the distortions in this video as anything representing the "truth".
@GodCreatesGays20 'talk about one-sided, hysterical, and dishonest propaganda. It's sad that some sheeple will be so blind, uneducated, or indoctrinated by the radical religious reich that they will passively accept the distortions in this video as anything representing the "truth".'- Have you seen the film?
@meathrander "You are a truly brainwashed and lost individual. The truth could bite you on the ass and you would deny it ever happened."- Circular statement because the same could be said for you. So your comment was utterly pointless.
@GodCreatesGays2 ..."Have you seen the film?"...yeah, didn't think so, and therefore you sentiments are unjustified and are nothing more than ignorance.
@GodCreatesGays2 "have you ever been a homosexual?Yeah, didn't think so, and therefore your sentiments are unjustified and nothing more than ignorance." - How you parallel abortion to homosexuality is beyond me and quite frankly ignorance on your behalf."pwning you is so easy."- I guess, but you didn't "pwn" anyone in reality, falsely tooted your own horn.
just watched this documentary and think it should be law that every abortion clinic is forced to make women considering abortion to watch this documentary before making their decision
The biggest reason why abortion is so wrong is we dont know who the person being aborted will eventually come to be, God has many times sent us answers to our problems but we have aborted them this is why there is so much suffering in the world we are reaping from the sin we have sewn every individual is original no doubt we can see that by fingerprints and DNA so we have aborted the child who would grow to cure a disease etc
Death as a fetus is preferable to years of abuse, beatings and the viscious cycle it encourages! One that is beating as a child will often end up beating his own child. If all the pro-lifers stopped focussing on aborted babies and instead focused on children in foster system, abusive situations... life would be much better for everyone!
How about we start by taking care of all of the children that are already born, save them from abusive parents, violence, rape, beatings, starvation.... once every child in this country is in a loving caring nurturing home, then I would agree we should start telling women who do not want their prenancy that we can take care of their baby for them! I know many women that have chosen abortion as a last resource because of the fear of the unknown ending for their baby.
Here's a new thought... I would not be here is my mom did NOT have an abortion! She had an abortion... then 5 months later she got pregnant with me and by then her life had settled and she was able to have me. She was also a terrible mother, beat the crap of me when I was young...this was a woman that was not meant to have babies!
I'm watching this movie now and I'm not moved. The argument against abortion is based on the preconceived notion that it's wrong no matter what and that therefor a "side-effect" of abortion is depression/suicide, the poorly thought out equivocation between eugenics and the fact that clinics are in minority neighborhoods (because conservatives suddenly care about black people so much), and the fact that some abortions have complications (as do all surgeries) and other crap. Not convincing.
Pregnancy is normal and healthy? Are you aware that British Physicians have recently concluded that ABORTION is healthier and constitutes less long term health complications? You should do some research.
And as for "men using women for their own pleasure" bullfuckery - that's called RAPE and abortion should most certainly be suggested in such situations.
What happens when you make abortion illegal? Poland did it!
The result? Thousands and thousands of happy, healthy, women and babies!
In 1993, after 40 years of state-sponsored abortion under Communism, the Polish parliament voted to outlaw abortion. We can do it, too!
yankees839 3 days ago
@yankees839
Try it and die. We will not allow the control over our own bodies to be taken away. Period. So go ahead and bring it.... Find out what happens to you, shitstain.
TFYFWYA 12 hours ago
We can argue day and night over this but at the end of the day it remains a private decision that neither you or me can take for someone else. It's as clear as that. Simply screaming "murder!!!" doesn't make it so. If it were murder, believe me, I wouldn't need convincing. And neither would the million of pro-choice women in this country who believe abortions need to remain safe, legal, accessible.
Skulander1 3 days ago
Again, I'll say this again and again and again. If men were having kids they wouldn't have any problems committing "murder" and "taking away a life" or whatever B.S. they want to say. Sure, a fertilized egg, MAYBE, will become after 9 months a baby. Sure. But it is not a human yet. And it is living in someone else's body. Surely that entitles that someone to make decisions about it.
Skulander1 3 days ago
It always makes one cringe when you hear anti-choicers talk about "life." Because the life of the pregnant woman is never factored in their anti-choice views. And it's not like most of them would actually campaign for improved economic conditions for women, or better childcare to help them. How about just trusting women? How about making sure they have a decent quality of life? How about not controlling their decisions?
Skulander1 3 days ago
Jesus loves the little children...
GardensLadybug 5 days ago
Sure. Abortion was a crime after "quickening" (i.e.: when the woman could feel movement in her womb, usually after many weeks of gestation). Which would have made about 99% of abortions totally legal. And no, abortion was not criminalized because of "science" (after all science tells us that a fetus is not a child... we're not the anti-science around here and have nothign to fear from science) but because of anti-women currents of the 19th century.
Skulander1 5 days ago
@Skulander1 You still misunderstand the point of "quickening". That was the point in law when they could prove the baby was alive, not the point where it became a baby.
Fetus - Latin fētus bringing forth of young, hence that which is born, offspring, young still in the womb,
BloodmoneyFilm 5 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm Oh but it doesn't matter. Abortion was legal. And it doesn't matter how you qualify the fetus. Call it fetus, zygote, "alien," child, kid, baby, why not full grown man while we're at it, uh? Why not grant it the right to vote and make it pay taxes. Point is, as long as it is in someone's body that someone is entitled to make decisions about this fact. Not you. Not me. Not the state. Not the church. Whether you like this or not.
Skulander1 5 days ago
@Skulander1 How about call it Human. A Human being, in the process of being developed.
That human in development is, and will become, what we recognize as an individual. If you have an abortion, you end the development of that individual.
We are not entitled to make decisions concerning the life or death of an individual human being. This would be disregarding the value of human life and the individual.
LordThranduil234 4 days ago
@LordThranduil234 A fetus is NOT an individual human being. It sustains itself through the mother and can't survive independently. Just let the woman choose what she wants. If that's abortion, so be it. None of us have the right to tell her what to do.
dolceclavier 1 day ago
You obviously don't know legal history. Abortion was always a crime after quickening, which is when they baby started moving. It was not because this is when they thought the baby was a human being but when they knew it was actually alive. Abortion statutes were put on the books in the mid nineteenth century when through science they learned that we become living human beings from the moment of conception.
BloodmoneyFilm 6 days ago
Anyways. I'm done here. I don't "debate" human rights. And anyways I trust women, I trust them to know better than to fall for your misogynistic propaganda. I prefer to be busy educating people of the dangers people like you pose to their health.
Skulander1 6 days ago
@Skulander1 one more thing buddy you did not answer my question. and it its not holding you hostage of your own body if your having sex you should be open to pregnancy .
stlcard1994 6 days ago
@stlcard1994 Yep, forcing a woman to carry a fertilized egg to term is pretty much holding her hostage to her body. It's a 2nd rape by the state.
Skulander1 6 days ago
And I wonder what these forced-birthers would say if we FORCED them to adopt a disabled child, or a black child, or any child that typically gets left behind in adoption agencies. Yeah. Something tells me forcing a woman to give birth wouldn't be so cool anymore.
Skulander1 6 days ago
And "Bloodmoney": not that ANY of you anti-choicers would ACTUALLY do something to make sure women are safe. You don't care about women, I suspect you don't even actually care about the fetus. All you care about is control of women's bodies, control, control, control.
Skulander1 6 days ago
Women have been having abortions since the beginning of times. Making abortions illegal won't stop them, on the contrary. And anti-contraception, anti-sex stances like we see in the U.S. are only making sure MORE abortions will be needed. Abortions need to be kept safe, accessible and legal to save women's lives. And to make sure they are not made slaves to their bodies and enjoy the same equality with men.
Skulander1 6 days ago
@Skulander1 Tell that to the all the women that have been killed by your so called safe abortions. Murder has been around for a long time as well and people will always murder people even with laws saying it not okay. But as a society we are not going to say that murder is okay are we, except of course in the case of the unborn child.
BloodmoneyFilm 6 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm Abortion is 14 safer than actually giving birth. Just sayin'... And there will only be MORE women dying thanks to your anti-women stance.
Skulander1 6 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm YEEES this dude has got it right !!!
stlcard1994 6 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm Murder is a crime. Abortion is not. And abortion has been legal for quite some time actually, before the U.S. banned it in the 19th century. You've always tried to make an argument to ban it again, and failed. You will continue to fail.
Skulander1 6 days ago
Again, men can talk a lot and attempt to control women's bodies and take away their reproductive rights all they want. But these people are not "pro-life": they're anti-women and pro-control. You cannot take away women's reproductive rights, seriously endangering their lives and putting their future at risk, and yet claiming to be "pro-life." "Pro-life" is the biggest lie ever.
Skulander1 6 days ago
@Skulander1 But it okay for nine men on the Supreme Court to tell you that murdering a baby is a right.
BloodmoneyFilm 6 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm What baby? Has it been born? Murder is indeed a crime. What has this got to do with abortions?
Skulander1 6 days ago
@Skulander1 It is a scientific fact that it is a human being from the moment of conception, no matter what you want to call it. If it is a human being that is being killed, then it is murder.
BloodmoneyFilm 6 days ago
@BloodmoneyFilm It's a clump of cells that happens to be in MY BODY. YOU have no business telling women what happens in the case of an unplanned pregnancy. We can argue this day and night, you have no moral authority to decide for all women out there.
Skulander1 6 days ago
Its funny how the topic of criminality inside the abortion industry turns into propaganda against the universal right of people to have health care. How funny that one idea just flows into another...and how conveniently political, too!
Libertyjack1 6 days ago
crazy propaganda for you. enjoy.
emieliz 1 week ago 2
@emieliz Yeah, crazy propaganda indeed. Thankfully women know better and know to stay far, far away from such misogyny.
Skulander1 6 days ago
Welcome to reality people, you do whatever you want with your own body, and people do whatever they want with their own body, its called reality, get used to it.
MKidYup 1 week ago
Anti-choice bullshit propaganda.
"Women are so traumatized by abortion they won't tell anyone about it. They'll remain silent for years."
Maybe that's because you slut-shame women who abort, jackass.
AylaPersephone 2 weeks ago
@AylaPersephone just like focus on the family puts so much shame into the LGBT community they drive people to hide in the shadows and commit suicide. Instead of trying to solve the situation they would rather bible thump. I asked a pro life person (btw. i am pro life as well) the following scenario...
dukane 1 week ago
@AylaPersephone Say you approach someone who is contemplating abortion and use the Bible to try to convince them not to and they don't listen for any multitude of reasoning (not religious, too abrasive...ect). So that approach fails. Now say someone comes up to the very same person but uses any other multitude of reasons not to abort or how not to become pregnant in the first place (ie. fiscal reasons or social reasons without directly beating them over the head with the Bible).
dukane 1 week ago
@AylaPersephone My point is the end result is the same, and you were able to save a life. This persons response was that because you are not publicly giving the glory to god in front of that person its not the same. You HAVE to use the God to fix the problem. Half the time I think my fellow Christians are so blinded by the light they forget reality and live in their fantasy wonderland.
dukane 1 week ago
@dukane I have no idea what you just wrote.
AylaPersephone 1 week ago
If you don't want the baby THEN CHOOSE ADOPTION!! YOU DON'T HAVE TO KILL YOUR BABY!!!!
hnoel79 3 weeks ago
Oh, I see. You're against abortion....
THEN DON'T GET A FUCKING ABORTION.
TheVGKid 3 weeks ago 4
@TheVGKid That is as logical as saying "I see you're against rape, THEN DON'T GET RAPED". Logic doesn't always work when you are wrong.
AdversusHaereses 2 weeks ago 2
"If what you're fighting for is life, how do you destroy a life in an effort to fight that fight?"
Yet a lot of these people likely support the Iraq war...
lavinus 3 weeks ago
Retarded.
TheJimmyBuffalo 3 weeks ago
Well let's say that a woman gets impregnated by a man who doesn't desire this child therefore he leaves. The woman has no choice so she keeps the child even though she cannot financially support herself or the child. The child will grow up without a father, in bad conditions, and will probably suffer a lot. Do you really want this to happen? Do you really want to destroy the life of both the mother and the child? Not even end it abruptly, but make both of them suffer?
Sighurd 3 weeks ago
I don't like abortion, but the idea that there's some kind of conspiracy from planned parenthood to knock up teens and then kill a bunch of babies is just insane.
AlexusPius 1 month ago 2
@AlexusPius totally!
emieliz 1 week ago
this does not seem objective at all
whee1er 1 month ago
@whee1er - That's because you're indoctrinated.
thomaserossi 1 month ago
is this still coming out, or out??
linimo87 1 month ago
@linimo87 The movie came out in 2010
1001myplaylist 3 weeks ago
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ONCE UPON A TIME AGO THEY SAID
WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO MY DAD
WAS IN MY BEST INTEREST. . .THEY FUCKING LIED.
We know what you have been doing to our fathers
in your corrupt family courts you sick mother fuckers.
classaction666 2 months ago
The abandonment of the reproductive function is the common feature of all perversions. We actually describe a sexual activity as perverse if it has given up the aim of reproduction and pursues the attainment of pleasure as an aim independent of it. So, as you will see, the breach and turning point in the development of sexual life lies in becoming subordinate to the purpose of reproduction.
adorima 2 months ago
@adorima Everything that happens before this turn of events and equally everything that disregards it and that aims solely at obtaining pleasure is given the uncomplimentary name of "perverse" and as such is proscribed. ~ Sigmund Frued (no friend of religion)
adorima 2 months ago
Wow! This must be striking a nerve for the pro-abortion people to get so hateful. Rape/incest is a blilp on the screen of the abortion picture in this country. We are a selfish nation that puts our gratification ahead of human life. Science will prove R Vs. W caused this genocide we call choice. Which side of history do you want to be on? This is our holocaust and propoganda is creating it, just like in Nazi Germany. If you don't think abortion is wrong, you have buried your head in the sand.
sheform 2 months ago 5
@sheform Either it's striking a nerve, or there's a corrolation between pro-abortion people and their inability to not be vulgar. Thanks for your conviction and condemnation of this ridiculous argument that because there are cases of rape in incest (w w w. guttmacher . o r g /pubs/fb_induced_abortion . html#7a), abortion is justified. I'm sure nobody who reads and observes the people around them who get abortions, actually believe that it's because of rape and incest that abortion is justified.
adorima 2 months ago
@adorima "Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner" ~ from link. Doesn't sound like rape or incest to me. What's more you can't un-rape or un-incest = untraumatize someone because you kill the baby.
adorima 2 months ago
@sheform
When someone tells me that their opinion about what I can do with my own body is more important than MY opinion, you are DAMN STRAIGHT I'm going to be angry. Don't want to get the shit beat out of you? Don't interfere with my body. It's that fucking simple.
TFYFWYA 12 hours ago
There are a high percentage of American women who have had abortions. This may account for the hate rhetoric such as "anti-choice". They insult us though they know nothing about us. Many of us have had abortions or been in the abortion industry. We are women and men. Young people are increasingly pro-life because they see themselves as abortion survivors. Many of us are spiritual people, some are atheists.
6Ealing 2 months ago
If we end abortion, what else will i fry up every morning? Great source of protein.
101alpha 2 months ago
Its pro abortionists who are anti choice! They want to take out sonagrams, lie about the serious risks of abortion, close down pregnancy centers and empower monsters like planned parentgood. The only choice they support is abortion. Nothing sane about destroying a child. You just dont have a heart.
marshallrobin99 3 months ago
Using incest as an excuse for the rest of the 99% of abortions that "planned abortions" profit from is not only insulting to the victim - mother, but more directly to God. Shame on you for justifying murder in the name of choice!
blessedjohn 3 months ago
Murder of these defenseless and innocent is still murder under ANY circumstance!
blessedjohn 3 months ago
@Skulander But you have no problem accepting the Roe decision even though it was made by nine men. Obviously you only believe what you do when it conforms to your own opinion.
NaturalSafeHealth 3 months ago
It's easy being against abortion when you're not the one being pregnant. 77% of people in Congress are men. 100% will never get pregnant. We need more women making pro-women decisions.
Skulander1 3 months ago 12
@Skulander1 It's easy to support abortion when you're not the one being killed.
crawfordroses 1 week ago
@crawfordroses Who's killing anyone? Killing is indeed a crime. Abortion is not.
It's easy being anti-choice when you're not the one getting pregnant.
I've always said it. If men were the ones having babies this issue would be non-existent.
Skulander1 1 week ago
@Skulander1 That's very true. But then the human race would have died out a long time ago due to a 0% birth rate. Seriously, men FAINT when they witness a childbirth, do you honestly think they'd be able to actually go through it?
dolceclavier 1 day ago
@dolceclavier Well, legalizing abortions doesn't mean NO ONE will ever get pregnant, ever, ever. It only means women can chose IF and WHEN they get pregnant. As for rape and incest (to respond to another post from someone else), sure, these are rare cases. Still that's no justification for forcing women to carry to term each and every fertilized egg. Like I said, men would never accept being controlled that way.
Skulander1 17 hours ago
@Skulander1 "abortion is murder and murders against the law". what kind of insane person would say abortion is not wrong. your ignorant and trying to make yourself feel better about a mistake you and others might have made.
stlcard1994 6 days ago
@stlcard1994 But abortion is NOT wrong. And yeah, are you calling "ignorant" everyone who doesn't agree with you on this issue? And I'm certainly not trying to make myself feel better and whatever "mistake" (uh?), LOL!!!! That's hilarious: why are you implying I feel bad, or that women who had abortions feel bad? No, I think women are perfectly able to make their own decisions and have nothing to apologize for. Women have abortions for lots of reasons. It's not for you to judge.
Skulander1 6 days ago
@Skulander1 your insane. How is killing an innocent child not wrong. What us your problem life starts at conception and it is something to be loved and cherished . why is it ok to kill a unborn child. even Roe now is pro life saying abortion in a terrible thing. i don't understand how someone could ever say it is acceptable to kill a unborn child. It is proven that like starts at conception !
stlcard1994 6 days ago
@stlcard1994 Killing a child is wrong. But what child? 90% of abortons occurs during the 1st trimester. At this stage it isn't a "child" and certainly it's up to the woman to decide. Not you. Is an egg a chicken?
Skulander1 6 days ago
@stlcard1994 And yeah. Classy to call people you disagree with "insane." I could say just as much about you. It's insane to take away women's human rights and to make them slaves to their bodies, to simply tell them "oh well I don't care what YOU fell I'll force you to have this fetus to term." You're gross. And a misogynist.
Skulander1 6 days ago
Another anti-choice propaganda movie. Don't they have no shame? BTW women don't speak about their abortions because they're call all sorts of horrific names when they do. Not because they are "traumatized" about their decision. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. This is a private decision that involves the woman. Anti-choicers have no say in this. Disgusting people they are.
Skulander1 3 months ago
@Skulander1
Yeah, its easy to say that when you aren't the one being murdered.
1965Lasko 3 months ago 6
Witnesses have seen people shove crying women through clinic doors. Dr. George Tiller performed an abortion on a 10 year old incest victim who was brought to Kansas from California. Research, in a number of countries, shows that suicides and accidents are 4 to 6 times higher in post-abortive women and they are 144% more likely to abuse other children. In China, women and their extended families are being brutalized and killed for having babies illegally.
6Ealing 3 months ago
The baby is a blessing and the baby shouldnt pay for the father or brothers abuse so put it up for adoption and get legal help
FerociousQuesadilla 3 months ago
What people are seeminly forgetting about is how a woman get's pregnant...so tell me, some 14 year old girl who is repeatedly raped by her say....Father, brother, and falls pregnant, and is FORCED to have and rear the child due to the "right to life" where is this young girls "right to life?"
eggberta 4 months ago
@eggberta thats not the main reason they go to get an abortion most go for their own selfish reasons.
the kid being violated repeatedly should go get help, not an abortion. many people want children and cant have them, so what about adoption? your attempt to justify the dehumanisation in this world makes you a contributor to it. you support the dictation of your own morality which makes you stand with the pedofiles and rapist you hate so much. you need to seriously rethink your intentions.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 - LOL! 1st of all...because I have a differing opinion on what I feel is a good option to a very friken lousy situation, I am now classed the same as a rapist? Seriously! LOL! Right...so are you going to PAY for that girl to go through YEARS of therapy for the rest of her life due to what happened to her then if she is FORCED to have that child? Probably not...you'll then say she has to go find her own help. Your such a hypocrite.
eggberta 3 months ago 2
@eggberta There is something called adoption you know?
mahre7 3 months ago
@mahre7 Bitch please. Childbirth is an extremely painful process that no child should go through. Plus, if the 14 year old had the baby, the baby's life is doomed to be miserable should it live in an abusive home, find out his true parentage, etc.
dolceclavier 1 day ago
you all are so quick to judge and spout what "you" believe to be true about logic, science, god, and whats wrong and right, how about the fact that this is "America" so called...a place where we slowly take away the freedom of choice and our rights as individuals to chose the life we want to live because thats how it was and how it should always be "FREEDOM" !!!! ......my ass!!!
kjrk08 4 months ago
@kjrk08 As a sane person, I would gladly give up my right to "freedom" if it meant stopping me from killing a mother, father, brother, sister and yes, my own child.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness. In that order.
adorima 3 months ago
@adorima "as a sane person" i disagree because i have a different idea of what sane really is and so do you first off this is just a typical propaganda film and i have done loads of research into this because it was so appalling and disturbing to watch that i using my own ability to seek the truth and not some scare me into believing youtube film where anyone and a monkey can make anything they want, found out that more than half of this is untrue...and if you dont want freedom go to korea
kjrk08 3 months ago
@kjrk08 Hey now, watch it with the Korea comment. North Korea definitely is a repressive totalitarianism dictatorship but South Korea's doing ok, although it could be better.
dolceclavier 1 day ago
Human kind confuses and sometimes sickens me. To kill a unborn baby without a conscious that never developed enough to know or feel anything is apparently a abomination, but compare that to the masses of animal stock that is killed every day is justified.
Never mind the actual parents view on the matter, who actually are more likely to not have money in order to bring up that child, or have issues over who the father is, meaning abortion is the better for the ones who are actually living.
echoingheads 4 months ago
This movie TELLS THE TRUTH. And it's not about God. For some maybe. But I'm not a Bible thumper and for me, it's about science and logic. TWO separate lives are affected by abortion. Plain & simple. There is now irrefutable and conclusive science to back that up. Sure, some will argue that, but the majority of scientists agree. Good enough for me and any thinking person who appreciates logic. Two sets of genetic markers. Two sets of DNA. Two lives. And one is torn apart or burned in the womb.
777MusicLVR 5 months ago 17
I believe most pro abortion people mean well. They are (and I was) all about protecting life - the life of the mother. But when I learned TWO LIVES are affected, two unique individuals with two separate genetic make-ups and DNA --- and two beating hearts, I had to logically change my mind... and heart. This is a powerful film that TELLS THE TRUTH. Lastly, the people who produced this film are very brave. Pro abortionists can be really mean and hostile. I know. Because I was once one of them.
JazzMastersDegree 5 months ago
@JazzMastersDegree wait how are two lives affected? the mother and the baby?
jaraandrew100 3 months ago
hahahah this is like a bad april fools joke. most ridiculous "documentary" ever.
aariaffxi 5 months ago
STEM CELL RESEARCH
PM011 5 months ago
Fundamentalist whackos.
pl3bian 5 months ago
@pl3bian Nah. you're the wacko. apparently killing babies and teaching young girls to lie to their parents about it is GOOD.
themccanns 5 months ago
@themccanns What are you even talking about you crazy Bible thumper?
pl3bian 5 months ago
@pl3bian About your obvious prejudice. I guess you're incapable of realizing that. Sorry I didn't speak down enough.
themccanns 5 months ago
@themccanns I'm prejudiced against people who use their belief in a magical sky god to infringe the liberties of others, you're right. And I'm damn proud of it.
pl3bian 5 months ago
@pl3bian I'd keep debating, but arguing with you is like competing in the special Olympics. Even If I won, I'd have to be retarded to do it.
themccanns 5 months ago
God is against abortions and yet he causes miscarriages. Just let the people chose for themselves goddammit, are you going to raise that child once it is born. What a bunch of self-righteous pricks...
Pentagon1311 5 months ago
@Pentagon1311 God is the biggest abortionist in existence...
ToolofSociety 5 months ago
@ToolofSociety If God is pro life, then why did He "create" plants that naturally cause miscarriages?
dolceclavier 1 day ago
@Pentagon1311 Nope. You are pretty self-righteous though. Most of the people you are railing against WOULD take the child. There are HUUUGE lines of people wanting to adopt. Know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.
themccanns 5 months ago
@themccanns Yeah right, i don't see prolifers with 10-15 kids in their homes. You raise the kid conceived by rape, i know it's easy to blabber from the stands, it always is. How quick are we to judge and force our views onto other people. You guys truly are a bunch of self-righteous pricks.
Pentagon1311 5 months ago
You'll see went the Lord gonna come to take back your life, that God is real!
fintyrock 5 months ago
The cash money! OH! MY good Lord! Please come put an end to abortions
fintyrock 5 months ago
@fintyrock Can't you figure it out? You pray that things will happen, or stop happening, and it doesn't work because prayer doesn't work because gods are imaginary.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
Did you guys know, that Adolf Hitler's mother was told to get an abortion by her doctor, because he said their could be complications in her pregnancy? She decided not to.
Just to all of you who say that abortions ruin our future and some shit.
InfernapesFlame 5 months ago
@beachbumm98
Just telling you, science has proven a fetus' brain doesn't work before the third month of pregnancy. After that month, abortions are illegal in most countries. Before that, it technically isn't even 'alive' yet. I am not looking to argue with you on this, and if you reply, especially immaturely, I will not read it, or reply.
Since I am just informing you of a fact, like one of those little tidbits of trivia you read in those 'random facts' booklets.
InfernapesFlame 5 months ago
I think it was DR.Oz that said that stem cell research is a powerful thing but they can't control what becomes of it. It can turn into a tumor...
neocon2009 6 months ago
@neocon2009 Correct, but that doesn't occur with Adult Stem Cells.
LoveMyRuger 6 months ago
Awesome - follow the money and see why heinous acts thrive. And US? Planned Parenthood = billions of your tax dollars. There's a place to start the cuts, President Obama! Plus - PP targets minority neighbourhoods. Cynical racist eugenics!
szfehler 6 months ago
Sex is not only for pregnancy. To say such a thing is both ludicrous and ignorant. Abortion should stay very legal. Not just because it could a be a rape victim or anything like that. But because it's a freedom and a right that no one else has the right to take away. Because once you do, this is no longer a democracy. Not to mention the medical advancements that are being made from the stem cells.
Deadbeliefs 6 months ago
@Deadbeliefs More advancements are being made with Adult Stem Cells. America is not and never has been a democracy. Restudy the founding of our great nation.
LoveMyRuger 6 months ago
@LoveMyRuger Stem cell research from fetus' are better because they can make them grow into whatever they want. That being said, adult stem cells cannot. As for the democracy it has always been a democracy as apposed to a dictatorship which is what you find elsewhere in the world. They vote on everything, for instance the latest tax height, they voted on the matter correct. HENSE democracy. Restudy your great nation.
Deadbeliefs 6 months ago
No. I'm sorry. Just no.
theD3vilduk 6 months ago
Women have a right to bodily autonomy.
triacylglyceride 6 months ago
@triacylglyceride AND, WITH EVERY RIGHT COMES AN ACCOMPANYING RESPONSIBILITY! PREGNANCY NOT AN OPTION? THEN BE RESPONSIBLE AND DON'T DO WHAT MAKES IT HAPPEN!
suziekrumm 6 months ago
@triacylglyceride It's not their body, it's their kids and doesn't the bible say 'Thou shalt not kill'?
SwordofSpirits111 6 months ago
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saw this last night at night vision and it shocked me
ilovecolorado2008 6 months ago
Why not just let people do what they want with their body, if they are not ready to have a child, why should you have a saying in it? it's their life, not fucking yours.
LesterMDK 7 months ago
@LesterMDK Please follow your reasoning through to its end. If a pregnancy is inconvenient, end it. If part of the population is inconvenient, get rid of them. Your "rights" do not extend above another human being's right to live! Also no capitalist industry should be making millions off something this degrading to humanity.
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 6 months ago
@AmmorMagnusDoctorEst It's not like we need more babies or anything, I'm just saying if a girl doesn't want to have a baby for some reason, (raped, too young, health problems) why shouldn't she be given the rights to be able to decide if she wants to keep the baby? and what are these "capitalist industries" that are making money of abortions? You can only blame yourself and the US government for that.
LesterMDK 6 months ago
Your reasoning is based entirely on the assumption that the unborn isn't human. Rape, being too young, etc., unless the mother will die giving birth, don't justify abortion. So much time is wasted on this debate. The one question you need to answer: What is the unborn? Is it human? If not why not? Four things you must consider. (1)Size (2)Level of Development (3)Environment (4)Dependency. A simple analysis of these attributes, you will see that there is no escape. Life begins at conception!
mrhankie2025 6 months ago 2
@mrhankie2025 I read a case that showed what happened when the law valued the fetus over the mother. The mother, who was in remission after battling cancer, got pregnant because the doctor allowed it. Unfortunately, the cancer came back and the only way to survive was to get an abortion. But the court forced her to deliver prematurely via c-section which resulted in the baby dying within 2 hours and the woman dying a few weeks after due to cancer. What do you have to say to that?
dolceclavier 1 day ago
@LesterMDK You know, there's a thing called ADOPTION! Sometimes the waiting list for that is years long and the people that adopt them actually CARE unlike PP!
SwordofSpirits111 6 months ago
Every time I masturbate, I kill millions of human beings! The arguments in the film is invalid!
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 That's not the argument of the film. If you masturbate you stop the potential lives of millions. If you abort an already formed human, you kill one. That's the argument.
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@morten325 Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but your sperm is not composed of miniature humans. When i worked in afg. they delivered babies of women afraid of being killed for being pregnant outside of marriage as early as 5 months! the babies survived outside the womb... So you are telling me that if I went and killed one of those babies it would be murder but not if it happens to still be inside the mother? the best argument you have for abortion is yourself
AmmorMagnusDoctorEst 6 months ago 2
This is really stupid... Abortion is a good thing!
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 Prove it, if you please.
Is it a good thing to kill human beings at their most vulnerable state? That sounds like a strange philosophy to have!
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 It's not considered a human being until a certain time. If you get raped, would you not have an abortion? You would ruin your own future and the baby's future. The baby wouldn't have a father and you might not have the economy to support. Of course there should be rules about abortion, but I don't think that it's wrong. It shouldn't be used as a common thing instead of condoms, but as a regret or as safety. If you're not able to support the baby, it would be worse for both.
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 Actually, it is considered human - which is quite irrelevant when you ask yourself if he/she is actually human, as opposed to what we believe about him/her. And an unborn child is *objectively* a human being. If you aren't familiar with objectivity, you'd be best to familiarise yourself with it because it's important, here.
Now, do you consider the right to a certain quality of life to be greater than the right to life itself. Surely that defeats itself!
TheHardout2005 7 months ago 2
@morten325 CONT Now, if abortion is a good thing, and you aren't killing a human being, then why reduce the number of abortions at all? I say have as many as you want if you aren't killing a human! Unfortunately, knowing what I know (and I used to support abortion) that is not the case. My conscience will not allow me to support what has become (quite literally) genocide in Western society.
I hope you're interested in learning the truth about things as important as this. I'm glad I did :)
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 Abortion shouldn't be used in the same way that we use comdoms, it should be used as a last resort. The fetus isn't considered a human being until a certain time. It's just a collection of cells. This video shows some extreme variant of abortion that is not reality. It's like calling every muslim a terrorist, when that's not reality. Are you a racist perhaps?
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 Let's consider your statements:
"A foetus isn't considered human until a certain time" I disagree but, nevertheless: by whom? When? Why then? What's the reasoning? Is it objective or subjective?
"It's just a collection of cells" - don't kill me! For I am also a collection of cells. I'd be willing to bet that you are too ;)
I don't much care about the manner in which an abortion is undertaken, as a human being dies with every method.
It's nothing like racism - that's a non sequitur
TheHardout2005 7 months ago 2
@morten325 CONTINUED
Calling me a racist is illogical (non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy), and the comparison is, too. Please explain your comparison.
Also, you didn't answer my question from before: is (potential) life quality more important than (actual) life? I should think that there could exist no other rights if the right to life did not first exist in order to provide a basis for them. Am I wrong here? Your thoughts, please.
TheHardout2005 7 months ago
@TheHardout2005 Life quality is more important, when what you're talking about is not concidered as actual life. It's not like you're "killing" an baby, but at a stage where nothing has really developed into a baby yet. Therefore your statement is invalid. How do kill something that's not alive yet. In the first 12 weeks of the pregnancy, when abortions are done, the "baby" is still considered an embryo. Embryo's are just a collection of cells, not life.
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 Yeah I used to believe that, too. You don't have to call it a baby - but you do have to call it a human person. Because it is. Objectively. By saying it isn't considered a human you are obfuscating the issue, subjectively. This is science and therefore an objective issue.
Life's quality is more important? But how can that be possible if it's based on life itself? It's self-contradictory.
I need far more words for this... It is a human person, and it is living, and I can prove it.
TheHardout2005 7 months ago 10
@TheHardout2005 Let us suppose that life's quality was in fact a justification to - ironically - end a life. That would compell us in the end to kill - or "interrupt the respiratory, heart and brain functions" of - individuals with cronical loss of the kidney function just so that we "spare" them having to go through dialisis 2 times a week; individuals with a major depression, with severe anxiety disorders; with cronic obstructive pulmonary disease; and examples go on and on...
Heart-moving...
GenetikMeisterin 4 months ago
Congrats for the awesome comment you wrote, Hardout :) It's always good to see people who value life for what it is, not for how "pretty" it looks to the eyes of eugenics.
GenetikMeisterin 4 months ago
@GenetikMeisterin Yes it would indeed be ironic if the logic were valid! Haha
Unfortunately, no one seems to understand that rights must exist in a hierarchy - some are certainly more important than others. No one seems to realise that for rights to have any basis whatsoever, there mut first exist the right to exist!
TheHardout2005 4 months ago
@morten325 and LesterMDK i think u should watch this film before u comment. I dont think abortion is an issue at all until i watched it and realised i have no understanding whasoever what abortion really is. i'm not against it or recommends, i've no say it is right or wrong but if u watch the documentary u'll see all these women, they weren't given a choice. they didnt say i chose to do it cos it think it was best, but they said, i had no choice. cos ignorant ppl like u,duno what it feels like.
mooty5683 7 months ago
let's not talk about the dead, the women who did abortion usually traumatised and felt guilty although they didnt say so. they get infections, caused infertility and so on. and about the baby, the dna of the tissue on first day is already a different individual than the mother's and if you study biology, all the genetics, gender had already been decided at this very moment and this life can goes on to death. it doesnt start after first trimester it start on day one. and it - is a baby.
mooty5683 7 months ago
@mooty5683 That has nothing to do with Abortion. It's about being able to have a choice. " if u watch the documentary u'll see all these women, they weren't given a choice. they didnt say i chose to do it cos it think it was best, but they said, i had no choice."- This has nothing to do with Abortion, but the act of free will.
morten325 7 months ago
@morten325 We're all a bunch of cells. READ THE CONSTITUTION AND TELL ME THAT ONE OF THE RIGHTS ISN'T LIFE.
SwordofSpirits111 6 months ago
Nope, I am saying that there are millions of children being molested, abused and starved here in our country. Why do we turn a blind eye to them and focus on trying to bring more poor souls into this world that will most likely end up in a similar situation!
Please focus your energy on helping the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 year old children being abused daily. Once we have no more children being abused, then we can try to help the ones that are not born yet.
woof999 7 months ago
Hola: me denunciaron por copyrigth, la película no se ha exhibido en Sudamérica, solo queremos que ayude a salvar niños...si la diesen en sud américa no habría que estarla subiendo para que se pueda usar el recurso de vuestra propiedad...¿Por que no la liberan?...o¿o la exhiben en sud america?
filoromuss 8 months ago
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maestromiles1 8 months ago
is this a comedy?
maestromiles1 8 months ago
No freakn way, I'm now just hearing of this film.
iamspid3rman 9 months ago
@iamspid3rman, talk about one-sided, hysterical, and dishonest propaganda. It's sad that some sheeple will be so blind, uneducated, or indoctrinated by the radical religious reich that they will passively accept the distortions in this video as anything representing the "truth".
GodCreatesGays2 9 months ago
@GodCreatesGays20 'talk about one-sided, hysterical, and dishonest propaganda. It's sad that some sheeple will be so blind, uneducated, or indoctrinated by the radical religious reich that they will passively accept the distortions in this video as anything representing the "truth".'- Have you seen the film?
iamspid3rman 9 months ago
@iamspid3rman You are a truly brainwashed and lost individual. The truth could bite you on the ass and you would deny it ever happened.
meathrander 7 months ago
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@meathrander "You are a truly brainwashed and lost individual. The truth could bite you on the ass and you would deny it ever happened."- Circular statement because the same could be said for you. So your comment was utterly pointless.
iamspid3rman 7 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 ..."Have you seen the film?"...yeah, didn't think so, and therefore you sentiments are unjustified and are nothing more than ignorance.
iamspid3rman 9 months ago
@iamspid3rman, have you ever been a homosexual? Yeah, didn't think so, and therefore your sentiments are unjustified and nothing more than ignorance.
LOL, pwning you is so easy.
GodCreatesGays2 9 months ago
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@GodCreatesGays2 "have you ever been a homosexual?Yeah, didn't think so, and therefore your sentiments are unjustified and nothing more than ignorance." - How you parallel abortion to homosexuality is beyond me and quite frankly ignorance on your behalf."pwning you is so easy."- I guess, but you didn't "pwn" anyone in reality, falsely tooted your own horn.
iamspid3rman 9 months ago
just watched this documentary and think it should be law that every abortion clinic is forced to make women considering abortion to watch this documentary before making their decision
themajor333 9 months ago
The biggest reason why abortion is so wrong is we dont know who the person being aborted will eventually come to be, God has many times sent us answers to our problems but we have aborted them this is why there is so much suffering in the world we are reaping from the sin we have sewn every individual is original no doubt we can see that by fingerprints and DNA so we have aborted the child who would grow to cure a disease etc
themajor333 9 months ago
Abortion is not okay because sexual irresponsibility is not a baby's fault.
Abortion is not okay with rape because it is not a baby's fault. If your father killed someone, would it be okay to give you the death penalty?
We need better instruction of our youth in sex. We need to be positive role models. Can't change the future without working on the present.
theartjunkie 9 months ago 2
Death as a fetus is preferable to years of abuse, beatings and the viscious cycle it encourages! One that is beating as a child will often end up beating his own child. If all the pro-lifers stopped focussing on aborted babies and instead focused on children in foster system, abusive situations... life would be much better for everyone!
woof999 9 months ago
How about we start by taking care of all of the children that are already born, save them from abusive parents, violence, rape, beatings, starvation.... once every child in this country is in a loving caring nurturing home, then I would agree we should start telling women who do not want their prenancy that we can take care of their baby for them! I know many women that have chosen abortion as a last resource because of the fear of the unknown ending for their baby.
woof999 9 months ago
Here's a new thought... I would not be here is my mom did NOT have an abortion! She had an abortion... then 5 months later she got pregnant with me and by then her life had settled and she was able to have me. She was also a terrible mother, beat the crap of me when I was young...this was a woman that was not meant to have babies!
woof999 9 months ago
@woof999 So your saying because someone will be a terrible mother that that child has no right to live?
meathrander 7 months ago
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exposelies1 9 months ago
"Conservatives want live babies so they can make dead soldiers." George Carlin
TaimaDjinn 10 months ago
What if fetus's started killing us?
DavidUmstattd 10 months ago
So glad the word on this is getting out, women deserve the TRUTH! and RESPECT!!
Fatal616 10 months ago
I'm watching this movie now and I'm not moved. The argument against abortion is based on the preconceived notion that it's wrong no matter what and that therefor a "side-effect" of abortion is depression/suicide, the poorly thought out equivocation between eugenics and the fact that clinics are in minority neighborhoods (because conservatives suddenly care about black people so much), and the fact that some abortions have complications (as do all surgeries) and other crap. Not convincing.
beta447 10 months ago 2
@beta447 the argument against abortion is selfish is wrong, killing is wrong, exploiting women is WRONG. irresponsible men love abortion.
Fatal616 10 months ago 15
@Fatal616
Pregnancy is normal and healthy? Are you aware that British Physicians have recently concluded that ABORTION is healthier and constitutes less long term health complications? You should do some research.
And as for "men using women for their own pleasure" bullfuckery - that's called RAPE and abortion should most certainly be suggested in such situations.
BethisRad 10 months ago
@BethisRad
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whos research proves that abortion is healthier then pregnancy because thats simply ridiculous.
tugsnap 10 months ago