Massive Medical Cull

[Celtica55]

Remember it is at least 13300  ( 34000 applicants and only 16500 jobs for definite) and may be on and there will be a hospital rotat crisis with the reduction in weekly hours to 56 from August 1st

[Celtica55]

Where did you get 8000 figure from

[rogerbloomer]

We aren't happy with the way that this government continuously changes the goalposts by setting politically motivated targets that make NO clinical sense, motivated by the financial costs. The same government then introduces an untested, unfair, non-competitive system for appointing doctors to training posts that is resulting in the most qualified applicants not receiving interviews for the jobs that they already do.

[hunke100]

Welcome to the bureaucratic controlled, class-system nightmare of Britain. Many of us have been dealing with it for years; now doctors are feeling what it's like. If you want to have more security as an employee, get a job in the city. Their jobs are considered more important than the lives of ordinary Brits. But your jobs aren't; you only saving lives after all (joke obviously). It's a system which is a slave to capitalism; your just another worker in their minds.

[hunke100]

I earn a low salary, but taxes are less than 10% and rent is much lower than in London. My degree from SOAS, University of London, meant nothing to employers, because my politics, background and face doesn't fit. I know exactly what unemployment means. As for the homeless; I spent a year in 2005/6 visiting a drop-in centre during my lunch breaks to give suppport to homeless people and have been homeless several times myself.

[hunke100]

Unemployment, it's about time you snobs got a taste of what it feels like. Employment is not some automatic right, though I wish it was. Did you ever give a thought to all those homeless people when you were dreaming of your £100,000 a year? Your all in it for the big salary. So suffer. I have to live in Japan to earn a decent living; couldn't succeed in that class system.

[smolfina]

What planet are you on??? Where's the £100,000...? More like six years of student debts for £25,000/year if we can get a job. It works out at about £9/hour....

[hunke100]

You make sacrifices I agree, but only because you never questioned unemployment. As a society, Britain is held together because of the comfortably numb nature of the middle classes. If you weren't that we could all get together and overthrow that system; but not when most of you are comfortably watching your share prices go up and getting your kids into the best schools and shopping in Sainburys.

[amdsweb]

£100,000 a year? What on earth are you talking about? Mate, you really haven't got a fucking clue.

[hunke100]

Ok, lets call it £50000, is that a big enough salary for you? What about the intelligent people who never had the chance to go to university who are stuck with bringing home £150 a week? Or those on a $ a day? Or the homeless? You support the system and you'd have no problems if all had gone smooth for you. But unemployment drives it home. Come to Japan. I have a very comfortable disposable income.

[amdsweb]

So, do you think that it was OK when the miners lost their jobs? Or when the Rover plant closed down with a huge loss of jobs? Or is it just that doctors are white collar workers?

Either you don't give a toss about people becoming unemployed or you have a chip on your shoulder about doctors (a misinformed chip).

I live in an ex council semi....

[amdsweb]

...I still have 30 grand of student debts. I shop at Asda. My kids (when I have them) will not go to public school. They will go to the local comprehensive school like I did. I worked my arse off at my local comprehensive school to get to medical school. I worked my arse off to become a doctor. I work my arse off every day as a doctor. More hours than I get paid for. Nobody thinks they are entitled to a job. Everybody knows that if they don't shape up they can get the boot...

[amdsweb]

...But people have invested so much time, run up so many debts, given up on so many relationships, delayed having children, all so they can become the best doctor they can, to serve their country, so that when they are just told that they are going to get abandoned it pisses them off somewhat (funny that!).

Whatever the wages are - we DESERVE it. I make a mistake, somebody could die. I earn every penny...

[amdsweb]

...And what are YOU doing about the homeless, and the poor and the unlucky, with YOUR very comfortable disposable income from Japan?

Sometimes I wonder why the fuck I bother prostituting myself for this profession, for the NHS, for the Great British public and for Patsy Hewitt.

(assumes the position, ready for the next shafting)

[hunke100]

I know what that feels like; it's just a shame that many more of the middle classes were not feeling like yourself. The reality is, that now you realise that you are not valued; but that is just reality. The rich and powerful don't give a fxxk and that has probably come as a shock to you. My grandfather died of a coal dust induced death.

[amdsweb]

Not a shock to me. I come from a mining community too and always knew the government didn't care less. Doesn't stop me feeling like we've been had though!

[hunke100]

No government or hardly anyone else in Britain cares. Get on the next plane out. I'm just one of many who couldn't take living in such a shit, war-mongering violent country, swarming with Polaks and other non-tax paying immigrants any longer. It's such a fxxxxd up place, with bad weather day in day out.

[madpole]

Excuse me. I'm a Polak who's been paying taxes for 16 long years in this country. May I remind you that it's not Polak's government that has been ruining this country over the last few years. Many changes under this government are reminiscent of what it used to be like under the communist rule in Eastern Europe many years ago. You obviously follow a good example of Polaks by getting out from what you describe as a poohole. Run hunke! Run!

[hunke100]

Run where asshole, not Madpole, run where. I'm not running anywhere, I'm pleasantly enjoy an easy life far from MASS immigration. I have no problems with small scale immigration, it's good for any country. But most of your Polak countrymen and women don't pay a penny into the system, yet they fill up doctor's surgeries and schools, and drive up the price of rent and drive down the price of wages.

[hunke100]

Secondly, so many are outright thieves who steal as a norm; something which is ingrained as part of their communist background and passed down to them inherently. Thirdly they have little respect for ordinary hard working Brits, who long to earn a decent salary. Fourthly, most of the ones coming to Britain are just like the worst trash that Britain already has enough of. A polak once stole my plastic flipflops; that's the best example I can give of Polaks in Britain.

[madpole]

hunke, with regards to stealing I have to say the only thing stolen from me was here in Britain, the crime that was committed by pikeys who were British. I could perhaps add numerous examples of being ripped off by not-so-hard-working British plumbers, mechanics etc. So far I've only heard good opinion about Polish workers in London who do a quality job for a fraction of usual British cost and they do not charge for skiving off.

[hunke100]

In fact I also have a Postgraduate education. Having been to Poland twice in 96 and 2002, I know that Polaks are inherently racist against "black people". Polaks would violently force out mass immigrants. I'm a comfortably paid teacher living in Japan, next to the Pacific Ocean, and South Japanese Alps, great adventure sports, earning £18 an hour alongside my regular job. Did Goa in 1996 as a backpacker, long before you or British trash, and backpacked back to London for four months.

[madpole]

If you really happen to be a teacher then your comments here are an embarassment to teaching profession. Good bye.

[hunke100]

Postgraduate education, in fact. Went to Poland in 96 and 2002, know that Polaks are inherently racist against "black people", would violently force out mass immigrants, comfortably paid teacher living in Japan, next to the Pacific Ocean, South Japanese Alps, great adventure sports, earning £18 an hour, private teacher, alongside regular job, did Goa 1996, as a backpacker, long before you or British trash, backpacked 25 countries.

[madpole]

I was talking about Goa back in 1994 and 1995 which is before you went there. You do not seem to know anything about Poland and the Polish. Your comments about racism suggest you have a major issue with it in terms of projecting your own racism as evidenced by your repeated use of term Polak. Perhaps you should reveal your true origins so that we all know where you are coming from. BTW teaching English in Japan is not a specialised skill. You do NOT sound like a teacher.

[hunke100]

It doesn't matter to me what you think regarding what I do for a living, why should I care? What matters to me is that I can earn a very decent living out here far from the competition of cheap Polak labour. Having a Postgraduate education and being a trained teacher who can teach to all ages and levels and with a good grasp of Japanese, means that I have skills that very few people do; do you have those skills? No. What matters is that my life is very good.

[hunke100]

I have nothing to run from. My University of London education means that I can live in the Safest country in the world and pay only 4% tax. No Polaks here to and very little other hoi polloi. It's so much better and because I do a specialist job, I don't hurt other workers/people.

[madpole]

hunke, you do not sound like a person with a university level education not to mention someone with a specialist job. But then there is this little British thing that plumbers are called engineers. You sound exactly like British hoi polloi on holidays in Goa, the people in whose presence other Brits opt to pretend not to know English to avoid embarassment.

[hunke100]

I've met many good doctors and many crap doctors. I don't like the idea of paying someone £10000 and someone £60000 or £250000, I don't like that level of inequality/class system. I believe much more in equal salaries, higher corporation tax = less crime, less destitution and less anger in society. Just look around you; Britain is a fxxxxd up class system.