Creationism

[Acrimonator]

Always the same boringly ignorant claims...

[gregrutz]

So why does religion try to prove science wrong, lying about the age of the earth?

[greenbayd]

"Religion and science have (not has) different domains"? If that were true, why do religion constantly make scientific claims? That Jesus was born of a virgin is a scientific claim. That Jesus walked on water is a scientific claim. That God can interfere with our world and perform miracles is a scientific claim. The world is scientifically VERY different if the things I mentioned were true.

[gregrutz]

Gave it a chance for 50 seconds, until you misused the word science, which does not comment on the supernatural.

[celestialdust16]

My life has a lot of meaning and I love it. I've never been religious.,,,But life It's very meaninfull to me. From nanos to the galactical wonders back to ourselves. Our "primate" like beheviour it just soooo beautifull and amazing. I love me and I love my fellow "ape" brothers and sisters. And I also love every living organism on earth. My living Mother earth. We are Celestial dust.

[JamesMorlan]

OK, so I watched it to the end. Are you truly suggesting that life has no meaning without a creator? How can you justify that?

[JamesMorlan]

2010 and they're suggesting there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark? Oh, man, this story just keeps getting better. Just think, in a couple hundred years from now, they'll be pawning off pictures of dinosaurs supposedly taken by cell phone cameras, with Jesus in the background standing on a lake.

[ThorGoLucky]

That creation "museum" is an embarassment. So much money spent on spreading stupidity. Pathetic.

Thanks Laestadianinfo for helping to expose the nonsense of Creationism. I linked to this video from my Debunkatron site.

[TheGreatOldOnes]

fucking pathetic.

[oddsniper]

Beklager men jeg forstår ikke helt poenget ditt. Kan du forklare til meg hva budskapet i filmen er?

[Laestadianinfo]

Budskapet i filmen är riktat till kreationister i USA. Jag försöker förklara varför kreationism inte är vetenskap. Filmen är alltså riktad till amerikaner, inte europeer. Det finns just inga kreationister i Europa. Skapelseberättelsen tror man på, men man blandar inte ihop den med vetenskap.

[oddsniper]

Okei jeg forstår. Tusen takk:-)

[MrJohnnyrace]

Instead of wasting all that money on building this laughible museum, they could of helped feed the poor.

[Slashingsword]

Religion didn't give me a meaning to life. My belief in agnostic atheism has given me a meaning to life that religion couldn't have. To further the knowledge, wisdom and understanding of mankind that religion seemed to block out. While wisdom and the philosophy of religion is a big part of my life, it doesn't dictate what I do. Logic dictates my actions and I will further pursue logic over the potentially false promises that religion offers.

[cadman2300]

Great video with some good informative text in a font that was easy to read. Only problem is the message at the end since different religions have different ideas on what that "meaning" is. I may not be the least bit religious but even I have no problem finding meaning to my life without any kind of subjective conviction.

[Laestadianinfo]

Fossils ages from 10,000 years to several billion years. There is whatsoever no evidence for "creation science". Not a single shred, and tons of evidence against creationism as AIG presents it.

[frodowise]

Sir, I'm going to avoid every other shred of garbage we could throw at each other and go straight for the throat: how can a single atom of matter, which cannot be created or destroyed according to natural law, come into being without a supernatural event? One cannot have a "purely scientific" evolution of the universe because in the end there has to be a beginning of the universe, before which there is no matter. God can defy natural law, as He is supernatural. Science as we know it cannot.

[Laestadianinfo]

"how can a single atom.." The evolution theory does not say anything about how life started. It just try to explain the development of life. Christians of course believe God created the universe and life.

[memoryofakiss]

the type of argument used by frodwise usues several logical fallacies. it is an argument from ignorance, ie you cant explain X therefore Y. as well as special pleading. IE everything must follow these rules except X therefore X.

try coming up with an argument that is valid then maybe we will take your god concept seriously.

[frodowise]

A scientific law exists, the Law of Mass Conservation: "Matter cannot be created or destroyed". If it cannot, by natural, scientific means, be created or destroyed, then where did the materials that formed the first living organism(s) originate?

You cannot simply pass it by and say that evolution has no reason to explain this logical hole. Unless you can determine a natural, scientific method by which matter can arise from nonmatter so as to allow for life to evolve, (Comment limit exceeded).

[Laestadianinfo]

My comment to this discussion is that I agree with frodwise, but I don't think this has much to do with the evolution theory.

The evolution theory does not say anything about how life started. It just try to explain the development of life. Science cannot take i account God. Thats why creationism or ID is not science. This also make science somewhat limited. The discussions about God belong to theology.

[chyrd]

I have to ask you... which scientists are saying that the primordial atom was created from nothing?

Also... you argument falls apart when you think about god... who created him?

[frodowise]

A supernatural being does not fall under natural laws, period. If God was under any form of natural law (including the idea that all things must have a beginning) He would no longer be God because He would now, in some small area at least, be a natural being like the rest of the universe.

The scientists may not make that claim directly but it is one that eventually must come about. You can go back eons and eons but eventually all natural systems have that one point of beginning.

[gregrutz]

@frodowise The universe was smaller, but it has been here since the begining of time.

[pontecanis]

@frodowise#1~ It is the Law of Conservation of Mass:the mass of a closed system will remain constant over time. Your idea is the principle of mass or matter conservation, and it does not hold true under relativistic and quantum conditions. This is cosmology and physics and has nothing to do with evolution in any way...try studying!

[fuchsfoxxx]

@frodowise Have you looked at any scientific developments since about 1903? Do you know about Atomic energy? The atomic bomb? What do you think happens to enriched uranium or plutonium in a reactor? Does E=mc2 mean anything to you? Energy and matter are interchangeable. Matter can certainly be destroyed. None of which has anything to do with an assault on Darwinism, which as others here have pointed out, is about what happened after the earliest form of life appeared on Earth.

[lardhat]

Amazingly moronic.

Scientists have given us good insights on that matter, which happens to have nothing to do with the ToE.

Wanna say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster did it?

Fine.

You still haven't assumed anything remotely threatening to the ToE.

[cadman2300]

Since said god exists in the non-physical, such an entity is untestable and impossible to prove or disprove. Therefor, anyone making this claim has literally nothing to work with and no right to pester others about it.

And yes, atoms can be destroyed and converted into pure energy and Einstein's energy/mass conversion equation (E=MC^2) tells us how much. Fusion converts lost nuclear mass into energy and fission releases the potential energy that binds the atom together. Nuclear physics rock!

[frodowise]

I said "matter", Cadman2300, not "atoms". In any case, you are not then destroying the atoms but rather converting them into another form. They remain, simply in another state of existence.

[lilbluependragon]

I love the part about dragons at 1:24

They clearly don't even know mythology. It's like they just wrote stuff down randomly and stuck it on a sign.

[magick205]

Ok, I gave it a chance but had to throw the BS flag @ 03:36 with the statement of a 10,000 oldest tree-ring chronology. The fully anchored chronologies of the Main and Rhine rivers go back an excess of 12,000 years. Cherry-picking data to fit your precoceptions is not science. It's just propoganda. 1*

[Laestadianinfo]

I win! Take a look at 6:12 and you will see evidence the earth is at least 110000 years old. That's Nothing compared to 12,000! :)

[magick205]

So you admit that your data contradicts itself? Then why should I think anything else you say is worth a damn if you won't take the time to correct your mistakes? This fuzzy thinking is what keeps creationists in the realm of pseudoscience.

[Laestadianinfo]

"So you admit that your data contradicts itself?"

No, there is no contradiction. Tree rings prove the world is at least 10000 years old and that no global flood happened during that time. C14 which is proven with tree rings (among others) dates reliably up to 70000 years and ice cores prove the world is at least 100000 - 400000 years old. I could go on like this and count to 4.54 billion years, but the methods to determine the age becomes then more and more uncertain. No contradiction!

[ReservoirdogEC]

I'll take Answers and Genesis and the Creationist Museum seriously when they cite their sources and make some reproducible experiments showing that the Earth is 6,000 years old and evolution can't happen on a species level. I don't really give a flying fuckstick about Creationist "science" when most of this "science" consists of misrepresenting scattered studies that used radiometric dating.

As far as this video, you shit yourself at about 7:30 and didn't recover. The ending was flat

[AtheistrEvolutionist]

Terrible ending.

[saxmanchiro]

The ASA must be an awfully small group of 'scientists'. "Christian Science' is one of the strongest oxymorons going. If Science says one thing(truth) and Religion says the opposite(falsehoods) then it's only fair to say that Science has no room for Religion or it's teachings. Teach it in mythology alongside the Greek gods. As a science teacher, I was not asked any board questions regarding biblical bullshit to attain a license. Wonder why?

[Laestadianinfo]

The American Scientific Affiliation (ASA) is a fellowship of men and women in science and disciplines that relate to science. They dont mix science and religion. They are just Christian scientists.

[Laestadianinfo]

If you wan't to make yourself familiar with what they think, please visit their web site.

asa3. org

[austn12345]

All of saying is that there might be gaps in the bible that was not interpreted wrong. MAYBE god planned for evolution. it doesnt say in the bible that it isnt how things are created. it just says he created all.

there are other parts of the bible that may be interpreted differntly

[austn12345]

where in the bible says the earth is 6000 years old?????

[Laestadianinfo]

Throughout the Old Testament. There are genealogies without gaps between Salomos temple built 957 BC, and Adam & Eve.

You can be sure biblical literalists like AIG would have avoided this age of the earth if it easily had been possible.

[psychosavant]

The note you have up at 8:27 "Darwins theory of evolution is the only scientific theory regarding the origin of life. It may be correct, it maybe not, but Creationism is not science!"

This is wrong. The theory of evolution does not regard the origin of life.

[Laestadianinfo]

You are right. I will corrent my comment.

[ScaredCrows]

I'm pretty sure Darwins theory of Evolution has NOTHING to do with the origin of life ... it explains and justifies the abundance and diversity of life, not the origin of it ...

[Laestadianinfo]

You are correct. I changed the comment I had on the film. It now explains it differently.

[ScaredCrows]

ok man, no problem ...

take care

[EarlFaulk]

I do not understand why some people seem to think that evoloution takes the dignity and meaning of life away from humans. Dignity and meaning of life are what you make of it.

[CorndogMaker]

What is the meaning that religion gives you?

[Laestadianinfo]

For me belief in God motivates me to do things I see as right, and even thought I sometimes fail in living up to these things, I know God forgives me. Faith is more an emotional experience, and not a rational.

[CorndogMaker]

I am not religious and I am motivated to do things I see as right.

[Laestadianinfo]

I have no problem with that..

[CorndogMaker]

I'm certainly glad you don't have a problem with it. I still don't understand then, what religion provides.

[puttanesca621]

Its refreshing to see that an irrational belief in invisible men in the sky doesn't always lead to irrational beliefs about the real world.

[smijman]

' WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! I need my life to mean something!!!!! '

CRY SOME MOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!

[MrDuDeTheFirst]

I agree with the entire video right until it say's that Religion offers a 'Meaning of Life' and Science does not...

I personaly find the pursuit of knowledge and truth to be far more meaningfull than hanging on to speculations and unverifiable ideas of an 'after-life'.

I also find that ones you accepted that life is Finite it becomes more meaningfull, because it now stands on it's own and should be persued to the fullest.

[Laestadianinfo]

I stand with that. Science just tells us how nature works, it cannot tell the meaning of life. For example you cannot derive moral from the evolution theory. There is always required some kind of philosophy or religion to give people meaning of life.

I have full respect if accept life as Finite, but there is a problem with pursuing life to the fullest. What would that be? Having fun? Thats just hormones running in your body. Nothing more.

[SourScience]

You're right, science doesn't give us a 'meaning' to life, but why do you assume a 'meaning' exists at all? Meaning implies purpose, purpose requires intent, and intent requires intelligence.

See Richard Dawkins' lecture "The purpose of purpose".

[Laestadianinfo]

I watched the film and actually liked it. As always Dawkins is very elegant and his humor is superb. Ray Comfort makes a lot of sense when you understand the banana is created by man. The convention was very much like a religious one. The only difference is that I believe the wonderful universe Dawkins described is created by God. Dont think understanding things make them less wonderful.

[fatatheist]

that is one-dimensional thinking.

[Laestadianinfo]

Regarding pursuing life to the fullest, this channel is about a Lutheran revivalist movement where people actually do the opposite. They live simple and humble lives, without expecting too much. Many people find such life style satisfying.

[MrDuDeTheFirst]

I agree that a 'meaning of life' is Philisophical but it can be found trough both Science aswell as Religion and i think the same can be said for morals.

And... yeah, having fun, why not ? however you may find hapiness is up to you, just be sure not to bother other people with it who don't want to be bothered.

"Do onto others as you are done by"

I myself love to make costumes and to draw, so i do that whenever i feel like it...

[t3rr411]

There is an massive movement against science led by the religious zealots that line the pews EVERY Sunday, love god to the fullest extent and will drag other possible supporters of science that go to church down with them. the young are part of their movement and they have a cast of full grown, christian zombies to preach the word where it doesn't belong and it will go on until the word science loses it's original meaning or religion falls to the infallible word of a strongly vocal pope.

[Laestadianinfo]

Spread links to this film on discussion forums these fundamentalists read. This film shows from a Christian perspective, by simple and easily understandable explanations, why the young earth creationist crap can be discarded without further consideration.

[milanthron]

religion does not give us a meaning to life, religion gives an uniformed, archaich interpreation and understanding of the natural world by attributing the unexplainable to the unattainable and unquestionable.

[Laestadianinfo]

I respect your opinion, but many people find meaning in life by putting faith in God and a religious explanation to life.

[zikzell]

im planing to go to a creation museum where i live (Puerto Rico) i''ll be making a video similar to this :)

[Laestadianinfo]

Good luck!

[messiahjonz]

I am neither an atheist nor a xian, nor do I claim any other religion... and I have no morals!

I go by the laws of my society... if I move, I may have different laws to go by. I know and understand that if I break said laws and get caught, consequences await.

Religion answers the meaning to life?

Which religion?

Which life?

My purpose on this planet is to ensure that my children grow up to be decent human beings, and until they are adults, I decide what is decent.

[Laestadianinfo]

So youre an agnostic? I have full respect if you find that meaningful, but your family cannot bring anything else than momentary satisfaction. Your childrens, childrens, children will die out as everything else on the earth, so no-one will even know it was your lineage. It doesnt matter whose child it is when we se a child. BTW, this channel is merely not for evangelizing, so I am not interested in getting involved in any debates. Although I appreciate all comments here..

[messiahjonz]

No, not agnostic.

I never said a thing concerning my "lineage", except that my purpose is to ensure that my children grow up to be decent human beings. Their children are their problem, and so on.

I am not interested in hearing anything concerning your religious beliefs, or lack thereof.

As for "momentary satisfaction", that is all there is anyway... my life exists for but a moment in time...so...

[Laestadianinfo]

Ok.

[genobahamut1337]

I must say that this video proves that in some ways creationists can be intelligent. I personally believe that religion should be taught as such, and not as science. Although, I feel a bit dissapointed with the part where the video claims dragons were real. Still, over all you have shown me that some creationists are willing to accept science, if you are a creationist. Still, the bible is not a science book and should not ever be considered one. That is all I have to say. Good video.

[Laestadianinfo]

I am not a creationist in that meaning I think the creation account should be combined with science. I Am from Finland, and I have very rarely heard anyone complaining here about the evolution theory here. Christians in Finland relate to the evolution theory in a variety of different ways, but no one publishes that kind of crap AIG is doing.

[genobahamut1337]

Ah, alright. Thanks for clearing that up. Good video.

[TheAmazingSatirist]

What is the christian meaning of life?

[Laestadianinfo]

It may depend on whom you ask. For me its mostly a question about morality. I find it amazing that humans have moral and ethics, and behave in an unselfish manner. Sin is the inability to reach up to even the own standards we set on morality. I believe we are accountable to God with our actions, but that God forgives us the gap between what we do and what we should do.

[TheAmazingSatirist]

So life is a test? I can live with that. But in your video it sounds like Atheists had no meaning of life. Such allegation is simply indefensible.

btw...compared to other social species we actually lack morals and ethics. Of all species who show social behavior (and there are a lot) humans are the ones who behave the worst.

[Laestadianinfo]

Actually I never claimed life is without meaning for an atheist. I just claimed science cannot tell us the meaning of life. Atheism is also a philosophy. I somehow doubt there are animals behaving better than humans. Give the power humans has to a chimp, and we would all be in trouble. But wait you actually did that 8 years in a row..

[TheAmazingSatirist]

8 years in a row? I don't know what you mean.

Give Dolphins the power that we humans have and life would certainly be much better. Or these little Opposum tribes who actually care for everyone. Even if one of them is blind, it will survive in most cases because the others give their lives to protect it. These species is dancing right on top of Darwin's nose and fools natural selection just like we humans do. They would be Karl Marx's favourite species I guess...if he ever came accross'em ;-)

[Laestadianinfo]

"8 years in a row? I don't know what you mean."

I referred to George Bush as the chimp. He looks like one and behaved like one. Now I can see you are from Germany, so it wasnt your fault.

[fatatheist]

so do animals. this is documented.

animals laugh, cry, have a sense of fairness, get angry, possessive and also behave unselfishly.

we are animals, nothing more.

there is nothing special about us.

we are accountable to society because we are social animals and live in packs.

[purplejugnut]

well done.

it always bothers me that some creationist will readily admit that they themselves do not take some parts of the bible(Job) as reliable scientific information but that on other portions (genesis) they won't accept the possibility that those too could be scientifically inaccurate.

[jlabate11]

grate video

[Dreamrio]

Excellent video!!! respecting both domains without stepping on other toes. We should not mix two or not confuse them. For all my life, I have been looking for the meaning, but no answer from both domains. It is sad. However, I found a key to the meaning of my life. Children and next generations are the key to the meaning. Some questions are not answered by one individual or generation. Knowledge is not for HATE, but for taking good care of others if you have it or think smarter than others.

[whistlingdust]

Nice video.

[Mafiaaffe]

Except for the end great video. Every second you worship the character of a fairytale is wasted second of the only life you was given. i was a christian myself and i regret every moment that i wasted in church or reading the bible.

[Laestadianinfo]

Its not very much you can gain in the life anyway. Having fun is just hormones running in your body, and everything you do will be forgotten a few years or so. At the end there is nothing we can gain on earth anyway. In a not so distant future, life on earth, and probably the whole universe, will die out, so there is nothing knowing even what we did, unless there is a God.

[livingxxgod]

Never the less, to Laestadianinfo. Nice video and I love the music. Any chance you can post the title - artist in the sidebar? If so, I'd appreciate it.

thanks for making the video, 5/5.

[Laestadianinfo]

Most of the music is produced by Dan Foster under the creative commons license. The song in the middle is named BIO TECH 4.

[livingxxgod]

Sorry Blizbob, I meant "make someone happy," typo. Anyhow, the only meaning I can possibly see in religion is to be a slave. Wilingly bowing down because you were created and you live. Serving for all eternity without any true goal, as there is no place for you to accel on a latter.. No true goal.. Because in some religions where they promote eternal life.. Without time, there is no reason to move forward or do anything.. As it'll always be opportune.. It's not a concept well thought.

[rogeruspetri]

Jag blev väldigt besviken över denna video. Evolutionsteorin är ingen vetenskap utan en ovetenskaplig ateistisk propaganda som sprids effektivt genom att vädja till människans förvridna förnuft.

[Laestadianinfo]

Evolutionsteorin är naturligtvis vetenskap och den enda vetenskapliga teorin gällande människans ursprung för tillfället. Huruvida evolutionsteorin har rätt eller inte är en annan fråga, men det ger inte rätt att presentera sådan dynga som AIG gör som vetenskap. Annars respekterar jag ditt synsätt!

[StevoDog21]

How the Hell do you figure religion "gives a meaning of Life"?

WHAT meaning?

Where you get "meaning" in a belief in a supernatural being who gives no slightest evidence in the real world for his existence, but sends us to Hell if we don't?

Who does nothing to protect his 'creations' from evil, and in fact, intends and commits acts of evil on them himself at times.

Who allows children to die every day from disease caused by microbes he created perfectly 'designed' to kill us.

Some meaning.

[Laestadianinfo]

I think the problem here is perhaps that you see hell as some place where God will actively torture unbelievers in an eternity. Most Christians dont see it that way. For an atheist the outcome will be the same regardless if God exist or not. We all agree that We and probably all life in universe will die out in a not so distant future. Christians believe in an afterlife.

[StevoDog21]

As an Atheist, I'm not worried about Hell, or anyone's notions of it. (Though I don't quite understand your statement: "For an atheist the outcome will be the same regardless if God exist or not.")

Nor am I concerned about Christian belief in evolution- the intelligent versions of Christianity already accept evolution. The truly moronic ones don't.

I don't care.

What I asked was how you figure that religion "gives a meaning of Life".

[Laestadianinfo]

I have full respect if you find life meaningful without religion, but many people dont. Perhaps thats a partial reason to why the summer services arranged by the revivalist movement this channel is mostly about, collects around 70000 persons per year. Thats a considerable amount of people in Finland.

[StevoDog21]

Yes, no doubt. Revivals draw huge crowds here, too. Filling the coffers of the organizers and preachers.

I'm sure religion attracts a great many people LOOKING for meaning- what I don't understand is how it gives them one.

And you're right- I do find life meaningful without religion. And it comes to me mostly through knowledge and study of science.

Something you claimed science can't do.

[burkeyatm]

How do you "know" that people don't find meaning without religion? What purpose is religion supposed to offer? Why should a life be "without purpose" in the abscence of religion? Do you understand the complexities of the position you're taking here? Isn't the most basic rule of life survival itself? Hence survival instinct?  Does religion teach this exclusivley? Do I need to go to church to find meaning in my life? Why do I even need meaning?

[Gorteenminogue]

A very well presented video, but ditch the music!

[ThorGoLucky]

Excellent debunking of creationism; but regarding the ending, I have meaning without any god(s) or dogma.

[TempestStormwind]

Interesting to see criticism of AiG coming from Christians. Also, your taste in music is excellent.

That said, a simple question: If one accepts the "different domains" approach to religion and science, what happens when that breaks down? For instance, the Bible makes normative statements about the world which can be conflicted by observation, like references to the firmament. Does this mean that the two actually conflict, as science would seem to erode some stories within the core teachings?

[Laestadianinfo]

I dont think the Bible ever was intended to be a book in nature sciences. I believe the Bible tells us what is out of the scope of nature science, and what we wouldnt know only by observing the nature. I will post a video about the topic some day later. Meanwhile you can watch Father Matthew:s videos. For example Making Sense of Sin. I dont agree with the liberal take Matthew has on many questions, but he is at least far away from the disaster creationism has been here on YouTube.

[BlizBob]

I have one question.

How exactly does religion (in this case christianity) give a meaning to life?

[livingxxgod]

Well I guess to some, that meansing is to serve.. A means to a non end (an extra -eternal life) isn't a meaning for life. It's just a hope of continuation. Once you reach that supposive eternal life, if you have free will, you're still going to have personal problems.. Meaning by definition will change from person to person. But the meaning religion gives can be obtained without it too (minus the eternal life stuff), make someone help, help people, be loved, hope, love, live, be happy...

[PT109Boat]

Wow... well done.

Bravo

5 stars of not more.

[TheVoidShallReap]

Im an atheist but that was a brilliant video. Well done! 10/10.

[AronRa]

I was with you right up until the last line.

[BlizBob]

So was I.

I don't see how religion gives a meaning to life.

[8jesus777]

have you been to usa . the video was beautiful,

[Laestadianinfo]

A few times, but none of the pictures or film clips are mine. I have got them from persons I have discussed with in the states over the net.

[8jesus777]

god bless you Laestadianinfo from me