...........and this was all part of a predetermined divine plan.
i can just SEE this god compiling this little playact before hand - and it's kinda pathetic that he decided on making the egyptians being 'resistant' just so he can slaughter their cattle and stuff.
and why does an all-knowing god need hebrews to slather doors with sheep blood so he can know who's on his side? that's why I think the death plagues were assassins, not a god. THEY'D need to know who's houses and barns to enter
yeah, when i was a small christian child that whole hardening of pharaohs heart didn't really make sense, but i suspect it was glazed over with some simplistic answer by my church and I just rolled with the idea that it was all good cause he knew what he was doing.
But now looking at it from an objective perspective, I can clearly see that Yahweh was a complete asshole.
It's like arguing with a 4 y/o. Ghandi is in Hell? Jews, Muslims, millions of Chinese, Aztecs, American Indians, Hindus, etc etc are burning in Hell for eternity? If you believe the Bible then, Earth is 6,000 y/o, Earth is flat upheld by pillars, men can live for 900 years and in the belly of a whale for 3 days. Umm, Adam and eve gave birth to Cain, where did cain's wife come from? You are truly pathetic morons. Use your fucking brain, read another book, pretend you're not 4, use common sense.
Why do Christians get so angry at Atheists? I'm sorry if we make you question your faith. Quite often Christians start their arguments with an insult, a damnation to Hell then denial of the words that are in the Bible. If the translations are not the intended meaning or misrepresented, how do you know what to believe?
Some do say replenishing livestock is really easy!!! Oh come on already? I live in a village and obviously people who say it is easy is grown up in a city and doesn't really think. Let me tell you when a plague or some kind of animal disease come. It is really really hard to replenish your herd. It is doable but it is not EASY. Here plagues never end thus it should be impossible to replenish them.
This video is so foolish that it almost doesn't deserve a response. Here's the response. Read the account more slowly and you'll see that you're video is steeped in ignorance.
@robdmccoy really? i've read it WORD FOR WORD (meaning at a snail's crawl) yet NEVER does it make sense. you're using a computer (tool of your scientifically based, technological evolution) to post your comment yet believe that a book (tool of our ancestor's non-factual & emotional interpretations) written by people 2000 yrs ago is more enlightened? by your definition we should all be back to being brainless slugs writhing in the mud
You should probably take some time to read the book that you're so ready to dismiss. When you read it you'll find such exhortations as...."Grow in knowledge and understanding, continuously study, TEST ALL THINGS, diligently search for the truth" and many more. It's these very principles and exhortations that are responsible for the science AKA "knowledge" that we have today.
@robdmccoy yes i have, many times before when i was still confused & scared to admit the truth to myself.
I was taught in school that we owe our modern critical thinking & hunger for understanding to the greek philosophy, socrates, plato & others who were "pushing the envelope" at the time. they were before any writings of the bible so tell me why is religion always trying to take credit for something that instead of beginning they actually tried to destroy?
@robdmccoy it is exactly my search for truth & understanding fed by my unextiguishable thirst for knowledge that has brought me to the true path of enlightenment. i dont argue there's good points in the book, but just as any other fictional story it is no more than that. the Lord of the rings is a great illustration of just how both good & evil can be existant w/in the same being, but i'm not about to believe there's a magical race that is almost impervious to them (hobbits) in existance.
Again, I really think you should take some time not only to read the bible, but to actually understand the history behind it, because your facts aren't correct. The bible was compiled over a span of roughly 2000 years. There are writings which predate both Socrates and Plato. Second, did you ever consider that maybe existence is greater than you can imagine? Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe there are things bigger than our human experience? Consider that for a minute.
with the first plague, it says all the livestock in the field would die. read it for what it actually ssays. not all livestock would die. it says explicitly that the "all" is referring to those which were in the field. again the second plague is also all that were in the field. and finally, the last one was all the firstborn were in a building that was not protected.
@RuGr8tful2 all the cattle [in the fields]". you cannot ignore contextual/implied language. furthermore, english translations usual totally destroy the original hebrew or greek.. what the manuscripts say is a far cry from what the translations say.
Nonsense. Read the story! The first death of livestock was not to kill all livestock in Egypt, but all livestock OWNED BY EGYPTIANS IN PHAROAH'S HOUSE.
We don't see this in English because the singular and plural possessive forms of English both being "your". But, the "your" here is singular. Only Pharoah's livestock die in the first killing. How do we know? Well they checked every one and none of the Israelite's livestock were dead.
@Boxerr54 "The first death of livestock was not to kill all livestock in Egypt, but all livestock OWNED BY EGYPTIANS IN PHAROAH'S HOUSE."
That's not what the story says. Most importantly, as noted in the video, as a result of the first livestock plage "ALL the livestock of the Egyptians died" (Exodus 9:6, emphasis added). Not some. Not just "Pharoah's livestock." ALL the livestock of the Egyptians died. That's what your Bible says. Why don't you believe it?
(con't) @Boxerr54 " none of the Israelite's livestock were dead"
Right. The plagues weren't aimed at the Israelites. They targeted the Egyptians. And in the first livestock plague, all of the Egyptians' livestock were killed (Exodus 9:6). There were no Egyptian livestock left to die in the second and third plagues that impacted livestock, yet the story goes on to have the already dead Egyptian livestock dying yet again in those subsequent plagues.
@Boxerr54 I have a hungarian version of named text as that language do distinguish between plural and singular "you", and quoted text clearly points on all of egyptian's livestock.
The plagues took place over a span of 6 months. Livestock were easily obtainable and replenishable. Herders traders nomads abounded. Egypt was so rich and powerful. They fought back against the plagues and stubbornly resisted.
@ProfMTH ""Do tell. What is the basis for this assertion?""
Egypt was a powerful nation/empire. They could easily buy all the livestock they wanted and needed. And since they werent compeled to let the Jews free, it would make sense that they were able to bounce back from each plague using their wealth and power.
@j919or you (sir/madam, w/e) are IGNORANT to the subject of animal husbandry, a depleted herd would take various years to be fully replentished. the majority would not trade/sell off ANY of their good stud/birthing animals just the foals/calves, as it is well known to any animal farmer. its like you asking me to sell you my orchard instead of the fruit, i'd be left w/nothing & that is not only foolish it is simply stupid.
@d00m0racl3 Hmmm. Egypt was a powerful empire and could obtain livestock from neighboring herders. This is what I wrote "Livestock were easily obtainable""
@j919or ìf by "obtain" you mean wage war upon them to "aquisition" their flocks, do "pray tell" just how they did it being that egyptian army's strength in the batlefield were their CHARIOTEERS (you know them lil carts pulled by HORSES). it would also be nice to know how the army doing the "aquisitioning" moved about, (no animals to carry stuff) what they may have eaten, (no meat proteins for strength/stamina) you know the essential things for a moving army to have in order to be of service.
First ur assertions are loaded with assumptions. You assume that the plague killed ALL the horses etc. Then you assume that the Egyptians didnt jsut confiscate the Israelites horses. Truly you are a lover of darkness seeking lies to hide from the truth.
At the judgement all will be revealed. I implore you confess your evil to God and receive the gift of eternal life thru forgiveness and cleansing
@j919or Now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. He trolls atheists to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
@ profmth love your stuff and there's even a bigger issue you should do a video on. Like why did god keep doing shit that he new wasn't going to change the Pharos mind. Why didn't he just kill all the driest born from the start. Anyway check out my page wordoffakes And on a side note some of them are when I began to question the bible and my faith.
Now know it's all bullshit after 20 years in church
Is there a religion which believes that God exists but he actually evil? Like the christian God if he exists I have to accept if the bible is true he is a psychopathic ruthless dictator who is unfair and insane.To be honest I have little desire to worship or serve such a God if anything it would be out of fear with a total disgust for him.
@MrEmeraldfusion yes there is. It's called Gnosticism whose followers have been killed or suppressed by the Church since early times. Nature itself is flawed... all life forms prey on others to survive and notice the arbitrary nature of evolution. Humans are imperfect due to the design flaw by an imperfect creator. The true God is beyond the physical universe, is formless and unmanifest and did not create it... and so on. Google Stephan Hoeller for an account of Gnostic beliefs and practices.
I say he was just poking fun at the egyptians for having no livestock anymore. Yknow how you rib your opponents when you get one-up on them sometimes? That's what this was. "There's a hail coming, guys. You should totally get your cattle in before they... oh wait, you don't have any cattle anymore, do you? HOW STRANGE!" Yeah, Yahweh is a dick sometimes. Comes with being the creator of all evil.
Did that death of all cattle include the livestock of the Jews and any foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague? We have no idea of the pacing of these plauges they could have been a year apart for all we know. So its logical more cattle were brought in to meet the needs for food from Egypts subordinate states around it. And God did not spare the Hebrews some of the plagues so it was nice God had Moses warn them.
@clerickolter "Did that death of all cattle include the livestock of the Jews and any foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague?"
The story says the Hebrews' livestock were preserved from all livestock plagues and that the Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock. There is nothing in the story about "foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague."
"We have no idea of the pacing of these plauges...."
The story appears to present a fairly quick sequence of events.
@ProfMTH There is nothing to say there were not livestock brought in either but since in the later plagues they did lose livestock its common sense some were then available to die later after the pestilence. And again there is no clear pacing unless the account says it happened the following day, week or month it could have been years. If its not written then its a gray area and one can use common sense to fill in the blanks.
(con't) @clerickolter ...that Yahweh was a powerful god who wanted Pharaoh to release the Hebrews from captivity. In addition to the weak textual support for your position, it would also require that Yahweh left his people in captivity for years rather than securing their release as soon as possible so that he could do a few tricks over the course of years. Hardly seems like the work of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent liberator.
@ProfMTH I reread the account it doesn't give a day to day pacing there was a plague then some time later another plague, a Rabbi I know and called verified this is not stated as days either it is a twelve plague wrath of God over an [undetermined] period of time. And I will note the Hebrews had cattle after the pestilence and they were not spared all the plagues so their cattle could die from hail Moses warned the Hebrews so the hail hit all the land even Goshen. Explaining the difference.
@ProfMTH Exodus 9:19 shows that if a Hebrew didn't have his cattle within his home, which means if his dwelling was outside of Goshen, or if he was for any reason with his cattle outside Goshen, his cattle would die. Also understand they are the SLAVES of Egypt and when a Slave owner looses his cattle where do think he will turn to in order to replace what he lost? I guess that probably would be what his slave has!
@fourcams Except the story doesn't say that happened. Worse yet for your claim is that the story goes on to say that the Hebrews left Egypt *with* their livestock. Crickets indeed!
@ProfMTH The story doesn't say any of the people went potty either, but I imagine they did. Is this your criteria for truth? That a story contain every blasted detail or it's false? Wow. But I suppose it's utterly inconceivable that slave-owning Egyptians who had just lost all of their livestock would simply take some of the livestock of their Israelite slaves. It's fine that you raise the question, but you say the absence of certain details proves the story false. It doesn't in this case.
@fourcams "The story doesn't say any of the people went potty either, but I imagine they did. Is this your criteria for truth?"
Went potty? In any case, I noted 2 things, one of which you have conveniently ignored: 1) the story does not say the Egyptians took the Hebrews livestock; 2) more importantly, it SAYS that the Hebrews left Egypt WITH the livestock. So, yeah, crickets are still chirping for you.
This video is silly. If I was to talk it seriously this video is very off its actually funny that people deem it accurate(about as so as bible verses). I dont know what the intent of this video was? Is it to make fun of the bible? Is it to point of the Bible's flaws(if so then that is a technical issue at present). Is it to say the Bible is wrong because of .......? I would like to know.
@Ryukikon The intent of this video and the "Brief Bible Blunders" series is to demonstrate that the claim that the Bible is inerrant is false. The Bible itself demonstrates that the claim is false. Now, do you have anything relevant to say to refute what's been presented here?
Your video does not prove the Bible to be false, there are much better ways to put an argument to that end than this. First, you alter the tale to make it fit your end. In your story yes, that would be true but your story is not the Bible's story. Next this is one question, how long did Moses Stay in Egypt when he was trying to free the Jews from Slavery? When you answer that question then we can have some common ground for me to distill further logics.
@Ryukikon "Your video does not prove the Bible to be false...."
Did you actually read what I wrote in response to your comment? It appears you did not (or that you did not understand it). The purpose of this series is to prove that the claim that the Bible is inerrant, i.e., without error, is false. The failure of the doctrine of inerrancy doesn't mean that everything in the Bible is false. You might want to pay attention to what someone responding to your questions actually says.
(con't) @Ryukikon Of course, the failure of biblical inerrancy *does* raise the question about why a purportedly perfect and omnipotent god would inspire an imperfect collection of texts OR not protect his inspired texts from error down the line (in, e.g., translation). But that's something for *you*, a believer, to think about. :-)
"First, you alter the tale to make it fit your end."
I changed nothing in the story. It seems you're not able to deal with the reality of it.
You are very funny? You should follow your own advise. Answer my quesion please. How long did Moses Stay in Egypt when he was trying to free the Jews from Slavery?
@lonewolfprojects if that is the case then why not follow the religion of ancient Mesopotamia, since that is what the old testament ripped off in the first place.
Thanks for "Fun Fact." I have been marking my bible for weird verses for a long time and this one Ex 7:3-4 (together with 10:1-2, 10:27, 11:9) is probably the weirdest of them all. It is so weird that it should be enough reason to dismiss the bible as a book inspired by a loving god. This god appears to me as someone more bent on proving his powers than anything else. There is a traitor in the organization and it's the boss. And they call Judas a traitor - at least he is in "good" company.
Sorry I offended you, by saying I feel sorry for you, your quite right I don't know you, and should not have been so bold and intrusive.
In answer to your question I have faith in a God who wants us to work it out for ourselves and he leaves us to it in order to learn, he doesn't intrude or force me, and this is the God I believe in.
Have a great weekend, I won't comment again apologies
The last part "bare of seed" seems to indicate Pharaoh's deep interest in Israel, and apparent control over them.
I do have pictures of archaeological evidence of Hebrew Slaves in Egypt and would be happy to post them to you, also there is evidence from the artefacts in the BM
@SuperStillwaters "I do have pictures of archaeological evidence of Hebrew Slaves in Egypt and would be happy to post them to you, also there is evidence from the artefacts in the BM"
Feel free to post whatever evidence you believe you have of the Exodus story. I eagerly await seeing it.
@SuperStillwaters That's incredibly odd that you have evidence of such a thing. Not only would @ProfMTH like to see it but the Israelis would like to see it as well. They've spent the last few decades searching for it and admit to never having found any. I suppose that you must think you have some sort of thing that they must have missed?
I don't understand how this comment by an Egyptian (prince? historian?) relates to the issue of whether a bunch of Jews were ever slaves in Egypt. Please explain.
@SuperStillwaters "It's just logical to me that the Egyptians got more livestock from somewhere. If for example your goldfish died you would just buy another one from somewhere."
LOL. So, is it your belief that there was a livestock shop in the ancient world where the Egyptians could have popped in on a moment's notice and replaced all the livestock killed in the first livestock plague?
Not just that! Think about the logistics involved in buying so many cattle from a foreign nation which would have likely been clear across either the Sahara desert or the Suez Canal and the stretch of desert that separated Egypt from Ur, Sumer, and Babel. Don't even get me started on Nubia because they hated the Egyptians. Where would they have gotten the cattle?
@RetSquid how? there is several contradictions in the bible ,mass murder,slavery,rape,babykilling,eternal damnation and god sacrificed himself to himself.... the bible is bullshit.
@RetSquid Kill those that break the sabbath-Num 15:32-36(picked up sticks),Ex31:14. Kill those that wont obey their parents Deut 21:18-21. Kill those that insult their parents Lev 20:9. Kill babies 1sam 15:1-3 ,Hosea14:1,Deut 20:15-16(kill everything),Deut 2:34-35(killed everyone) ,Deut3:6-7,Judges 21:10-11,Joshua 6:21(killed everyone),Num 31:15-18. Killed kids for calling man bald 2kings 2:23-24. god accepts human sacrifice not only with jesus -Judges 11:30-40.
@RetSquid Kill unbelievers even own mom Deut 13:6-11,Deut 13:13-18,Deut 17:2-5,Deut 20:15-18. Kill blasphemers lev 24:15-16 and 23. Kill gays Lev 20:13. Beat slaves to death Ex 21:20-21. Rape 2sam 12:11,Isaiah 13:16,Zec14:1-2,Deut 21:11-14,Deut 22:28-29,Judges 21:12. Kill the "whore" Deut22:20-21(cause she wasnt a virgin),Lev 21:9(burn her),Lev 20:10 (adultery).
Hebrew stocks of cattle did not die, so there was still cattle around. The Pharaoh would not want to let the Hebrews go if they had supplied him with some Cattle, no wonder his heart was hardened, interesting
@SuperStillwaters "Hebrew stocks of cattle did not die, so there was still cattle around."
The video doesn't claim that the Hebrews' livestock were killed. The point is that all of the EGYPTIAN livestock was killed in the first livestock plague. Since they were all killed in the first plague, none were left to be killed in subsequent plagues. The Hebrews' livestock is irrelevant to this. The story says the Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock. Why would you bring up an irrelevancy?
(con't) @SuperStillwaters "The Pharaoh would not want to let the Hebrews go if they had supplied him with some Cattle...."
But there's absolutely nothing in the text that indicates that the Hebrews "supplied" Pharaoh with livestock. Nothing. In fact, the story has the Hebrews leaving Egypt with their livestock.
There is no archeological evidence that the Jews were ever in Eygypt. Nor is there any evidence that they wandering around in the desert, either. The complete lack of evidence would be highly improbable If the biblical account was true. The general opinion among reputable scholars is that the further back in time we go the less reliable is the biblical account.
@TheLaRosita I've been fully aware of this since my teenage years :P (Issue here though is that they were and are slave *traders*). Also the whole Joseph story is physically impossible, because the political landscape spoken in the bible is centuries out of date. Not to mention that the REED sea is actually a swamp and dries out enough every year so that people are perfectly capable of walking through it.... but horses and chariots are not ;) Weight distribution issues in the muck ^^;;
You just know an xtian is going to say that "livestock" was a mistranslation from camel or something, that "beasts" aren't livestock but wild animals or boars or some BS, and then that leaves room for the "cattle" at the end. But you have to wonder if jews were slaves in egypt on this massive scale, why was it egyptians and not slaves building the pyramids and mastabas and valley of the kings and queens; why did the exodus never happen... and why are the plagues not irregular events in egypt?
The argument is irrelevant because main stream archeologists believe that the Exodus never happened and that the story is an entirely fictional narrative put together between the 8th and 5th centuries BC.
The Wikipedia entry for the Exodus states that the archaeological evidence of the Canaanite origins of Israel is "overwhelming," and leaves "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."
@TheLaRosita well true. it just goes 2 show that not only r they wrong, they're double wrong, and contradicting themselves with wrongness and they still won't give it up. I mean, frankly, its embarassing
I recall pointing this discrepancy out in school when I was around 7 years old and was rather insistent that it didn't make sense. My reward for having a logical and questioning mind was 2 of the belt (leather strap across the hands - old Scottish school punishment).
@ThomasTrue Anybody that beats people up for questioning is evil and should be reported for abuse.
I feel sorry for you, sadly this was my experience too, and I do question everything, and I have still kept my faith in Jesus, but not the crazy, no mercy and cruel environment I was raised up in.
I respect everybody's view and the right to say it.
@SuperStillwaters If your experience is of a crazy, no mercy, cruel enviornment, how can you possibly still believe in some silent, invisible Sky Daddy doing everything by magic? And don't say you feel sorry for me because you don't even know me.
The livestock must have been raised from the dead, like Jesus. Perhaps they were all also the children of God? If he can impregnate a virgin human female, why not a virgin cow? or a whole bunch of them?
@ProfMTH If I may play devils advocate, several translations of the Bible do say specifically field animals. This could very well be interpreted as the Egyptians having some stock not being in the field. Since Exodus 9:19 didn't happen until a few days afterward, once could further say that the few Egyptian stock that didn't get killed in Ex. 9:6 were out to pasture now that it was "safe".
@Elpha22 But as I noted in the comment to which you responded, the story says that because of the first plague ALL the Egyptian livestock died (Exodus 9:6). All. Not some. All. I'm all for playing the role of the advocatus diaboli, but last I checked 'all' means "all." :-)
@ProfMTH I was going to argue further, but then I realized the entire story makes no damn sense at all. He's trying to get Pharaoh to release the people, but he hardens his heart? 'the f*ck is that all about? XD
Good catch! I never thought about these verses saying that they're dead and then saying they will be killed (again lol) before but that is def. a bible blunder. Hahaha. Zombie animals. They're not really dead. They're just sleeping ;)
Nice video. Just a small correction, if you don't mind. Moses could get his livestock because it's mentioned that so called blood thirsty god made a distinction between Israelites' livestock and Egyptians' livestock. But other things pointed out by are correct :)
Logically, if I were a Christian, it would occur to me that Egypt is not an isolated territory, and as such could have initiated in trade with neighboring nations to increase the amounts of that which their country was found wanting; in this case, that would mean buying new livestock at every turn of each new plague. Fortunately I have yet to meet a single Christian capable of, or even allowed by Scripture to, make use of reasoning external to that which takes place in their Divine sourcebook.
@caramonspace Well, in those times, Egypt WAS a very isolated country for geological reasons as well as cultural. I doubt they could replace ALL the livestock in the land to even remotely compare with the loss, assuming they would even try to trade other countries for it. Regardless, they would have ended up short on SOMETHING (you have to TRADE for the livestock) and plenty would have gone hungry. So yeah, this "logic" doesn't add up, either.
I just watched a response video to this by "gbjew" (Great Bullshitter - Jew?). Anyways, the video nicely has comments "disabled" so the video is presented the same way anything from the Bible is at a church - PREACHED, no questions, no comments please. She read from external source, which I guess was something written by a Jewish scholar in the past which answers all these fun findings. Anything works as long as you keep extending the "divinely inspired" authorship to any subsequent writings.
Actually, what is being talked about here is the fact that in the story *all* of the livestock are killed in the first plague aimed at livestock, only to have the already dead livestock killed yet again in subsequent plagues aimed at livestock. Not sure how that got by you.
@ProfMTH But what does inerrancy have to do with the number of cattle? That is exactly my point. Only in modern American fundamentalist Protestantism (that's a mouthful) do you have this asperger view about inerrancy - its absolutely retarded. I mean, we're seriously talking about cattle? wtf. The Bible is not the Qur'an - it is not stenography, inerrancy for the Bible is not at all like the inerrancy for the Qur'an. And this is conceding, btw, that this really is an irresolvable discrepancy.
@BalladoftheWindfish " But what does inerrancy have to do with the number of cattle?"
If, as the Book of Exodus says, all the livestock were killed in the first plague, there could not have been any to be killed in subsequent plagues. Yet the Book of Exodus has livestock magically showing up to be killed in two subsequent plagues. If the Bible has errors in it, then, necessarily, it's not inerrant.
@ProfMTH Stupid "little" atheist. Several months passed between each plague, shown by the frog invasion which only ocurrs seasonally. This is where your STUPIDITY breaks down: the Egyptians could build pyramids (you do know what a pyramid is, right? If they could build Pyramids then why can't they replentish their livestock? Stop your foolishness "little atheist."
@aggienostic Pyramids took decades to build, so the dramatic die-off of ALL the livestock in Egypt would affect the general populace, especially during the dry season, thus slowing down any construction projects (especially pyramid construction). It would take a while of buying numerous animal herds from abroad to help Egypt's economy, as diminished as it would be given the situation, to recover. Have you ever considered that "little theist"?
@aggienostic Where does it says the frog plague was seasonal? From where in the scripture would the entire livestock of Egypt be replaced? Show chapter&verses please.
@BalladoftheWindfish What is laughable is that, in ushering the statement you repeatedly deliver (i.e. "Are we seriously talking about the number of cattle?") with that admonishing tone of paleocentric smugness and illegitimate argumentative superiority, you completely condescend above the fact that it was presented in the Bible itself on numerous occasions by way of the passages mentioned. Therefore you are admitting that the very point the Bible emphasizes multiple times is irrelevant to you.
People the Bible is written by bronze age men. They are retelling stories that have been handed down for centuries. Of course the bible has contradictions. It"s hard to believe that some people think they can intrepid the stories to make some logical sense out of it. Explanations for the contradiction fail badly. Until people realize that this is a Jewish tail of old will it make any sense. This story can not be taken literal. It is a made tail of deliverance by God for the Jews.
Sheesh this guy is good about leaiving IMPORTANT FACTS out. I suppose aimed at people to stupid to read it for themselves. Hes wrong on Exodus 9:6 dosent say ALL, it says all the cattle of Egypt died, but the cattle of Israel did not die. Exodus 9:19 is NOT addresed to Egypt, but to Israel..they are not exempt from following Gods comands. Easy answer...that is to whoever reads it theirselves instead of listening to this idiot
@littlelogcabins "Exodus 9:6 dosent say ALL, it says all the cattle of Egypt died"
Which is precisely what I said in the video.
"the cattle of Israel did not die"
Never said it did. It's irrelevant. The Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock.
"Exodus 9:19 is NOT addressed to Egypt, but to Israel."
Wrong. It begins in verse 13, which has Yahweh ordering Moses, "Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him...." You should read your Bible.
Once again ProfMTH intentionally edits the text, leaving out the fact that God said He "would make a difference between the livestock of Egypt and that of Israel." (Ex 9:4).
So the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail. This Bible Blunders guy is himself a gargantuan blunder.
@TheThumper49 "the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail"
Incorrect. Read the story again. None of the livestock plagues ever effected the Hebrews' livestock. As the video shows (with citations), tor the second livestock plague Moses is told to tell Pharaoh to bring his livestock in--this despite the fact that all the Egyptian livestock had already been killed. Read your Bible for Pete's sake.
@ProfMTH Another blunder for the Prof. The first pestilence killed the Egyptian livestock. The second (hail) came down on the unbelieving Jews who were of Egypt (Egypt being a type of sin) " He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: And he that regarded not the word of the LORD left his servants and his cattle in the field." Ex.9:19,20 Read your Bible.
@TheThumper49 "The second (hail) came down on the unbelieving Jews"
I've seen apologists try a lot of bullshit, but the above-quoted is one of the most, if not *the* most blatant. In 9:13 Yahweh tells Moses to address the warning about the second livestock plague (hail) to Pharaoh: "Then Yahweh said to Moses, 'Rise up early in the morning and stand before Pharaoh and say to him....'" You're changing your god's word, which, if the Bible is to be believed, he doesn't like (Proverbs 30:6).
Indeed. And what "it is" is that you've attempted to rewrite the text and you've been called out on it. This is either the result of ignorance, dishonesty, or an attempt to bullshit, none of which is going to persuade anyone who actually knows the story (as I do).
"So the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail. "
Really?
"Throughout Egypt hail struck everything in the fields—both people and animals; it beat down everything growing in the fields and stripped every tree. 26 The only place it did not hail was the land of Goshen, where the Israelites were. "
He made a distinction between the Egyptian and Israelites AGAIN.
When it boils down to it, I guess it's fun to ridicule these idiots. If they were not always trying to persuade me(and others like me) of there stupid myths then I would not derive so much pleasure from it. I used to consider myself a respectful atheist, but respect goes both ways...
As a former christian I am amazed at the gullibility of those who blithely accept the most absurd explanations, twisted "one time only" reasons and incredible twisting of plain words to substantiate nonsense in the Bible.
The sun stops, Satan & god chat with us, animals talk, people floating and food appears like magic. These are things in the tales for my 3 year old - not for allegedly intelligent, mature, discerning adults.
Here we go again. There were cattle in the fields and cattle in the stalls. So far so good. The cattle in the field died. There remains some in the stall. So then if you actually read the chapter those after that feared the word of the Lord kept the animals in (after the first plague) while those that did not had the other animals die. BTW The exact time frame is not mentioned and it might be months before the next plague happened.
...........and this was all part of a predetermined divine plan.
i can just SEE this god compiling this little playact before hand - and it's kinda pathetic that he decided on making the egyptians being 'resistant' just so he can slaughter their cattle and stuff.
and why does an all-knowing god need hebrews to slather doors with sheep blood so he can know who's on his side? that's why I think the death plagues were assassins, not a god. THEY'D need to know who's houses and barns to enter
infernalone666 3 days ago
yeah, when i was a small christian child that whole hardening of pharaohs heart didn't really make sense, but i suspect it was glazed over with some simplistic answer by my church and I just rolled with the idea that it was all good cause he knew what he was doing.
But now looking at it from an objective perspective, I can clearly see that Yahweh was a complete asshole.
Axiodox 5 days ago
I can hear it now...Christian apologist says: "They were zombie livestock, just like zombie Jesus. Come on, atheists, is that all you've got?"
ChipArgyle 1 week ago
It's like arguing with a 4 y/o. Ghandi is in Hell? Jews, Muslims, millions of Chinese, Aztecs, American Indians, Hindus, etc etc are burning in Hell for eternity? If you believe the Bible then, Earth is 6,000 y/o, Earth is flat upheld by pillars, men can live for 900 years and in the belly of a whale for 3 days. Umm, Adam and eve gave birth to Cain, where did cain's wife come from? You are truly pathetic morons. Use your fucking brain, read another book, pretend you're not 4, use common sense.
paramattic70 1 month ago
Why do Christians get so angry at Atheists? I'm sorry if we make you question your faith. Quite often Christians start their arguments with an insult, a damnation to Hell then denial of the words that are in the Bible. If the translations are not the intended meaning or misrepresented, how do you know what to believe?
paramattic70 1 month ago
If the Israelites were slaves, how could they own livestock?
KayBeeEee1983 1 month ago
Some do say replenishing livestock is really easy!!! Oh come on already? I live in a village and obviously people who say it is easy is grown up in a city and doesn't really think. Let me tell you when a plague or some kind of animal disease come. It is really really hard to replenish your herd. It is doable but it is not EASY. Here plagues never end thus it should be impossible to replenish them.
TheMelipus 2 months ago
This video is so foolish that it almost doesn't deserve a response. Here's the response. Read the account more slowly and you'll see that you're video is steeped in ignorance.
robdmccoy 2 months ago
@robdmccoy really? i've read it WORD FOR WORD (meaning at a snail's crawl) yet NEVER does it make sense. you're using a computer (tool of your scientifically based, technological evolution) to post your comment yet believe that a book (tool of our ancestor's non-factual & emotional interpretations) written by people 2000 yrs ago is more enlightened? by your definition we should all be back to being brainless slugs writhing in the mud
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@d00m0racl3
You should probably take some time to read the book that you're so ready to dismiss. When you read it you'll find such exhortations as...."Grow in knowledge and understanding, continuously study, TEST ALL THINGS, diligently search for the truth" and many more. It's these very principles and exhortations that are responsible for the science AKA "knowledge" that we have today.
robdmccoy 2 weeks ago
@robdmccoy yes i have, many times before when i was still confused & scared to admit the truth to myself.
I was taught in school that we owe our modern critical thinking & hunger for understanding to the greek philosophy, socrates, plato & others who were "pushing the envelope" at the time. they were before any writings of the bible so tell me why is religion always trying to take credit for something that instead of beginning they actually tried to destroy?
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@robdmccoy it is exactly my search for truth & understanding fed by my unextiguishable thirst for knowledge that has brought me to the true path of enlightenment. i dont argue there's good points in the book, but just as any other fictional story it is no more than that. the Lord of the rings is a great illustration of just how both good & evil can be existant w/in the same being, but i'm not about to believe there's a magical race that is almost impervious to them (hobbits) in existance.
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@d00m0racl3
Again, I really think you should take some time not only to read the bible, but to actually understand the history behind it, because your facts aren't correct. The bible was compiled over a span of roughly 2000 years. There are writings which predate both Socrates and Plato. Second, did you ever consider that maybe existence is greater than you can imagine? Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe there are things bigger than our human experience? Consider that for a minute.
robdmccoy 1 week ago
with the first plague, it says all the livestock in the field would die. read it for what it actually ssays. not all livestock would die. it says explicitly that the "all" is referring to those which were in the field. again the second plague is also all that were in the field. and finally, the last one was all the firstborn were in a building that was not protected.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one.
RuGr8tful2 1 month ago
@RuGr8tful2 all the cattle [in the fields]". you cannot ignore contextual/implied language. furthermore, english translations usual totally destroy the original hebrew or greek.. what the manuscripts say is a far cry from what the translations say.
carlsonap16 1 month ago
I guess one might say that the bible is "full of bull" ; )`
sidDkid87 2 months ago
Hello... everyone is ignoring the obvious answer.
The livestock was resurrected from the dead. Obviously God is a cow!
"Our heffer who art in heaven, Bessie be thy name..."
rubberbaby00 2 months ago
@rubberbaby00 so the hindi have been right all along.... o.O
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
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Boxerr54 2 months ago
Nonsense. Read the story! The first death of livestock was not to kill all livestock in Egypt, but all livestock OWNED BY EGYPTIANS IN PHAROAH'S HOUSE.
We don't see this in English because the singular and plural possessive forms of English both being "your". But, the "your" here is singular. Only Pharoah's livestock die in the first killing. How do we know? Well they checked every one and none of the Israelite's livestock were dead.
Boxerr54 2 months ago
@Boxerr54 "The first death of livestock was not to kill all livestock in Egypt, but all livestock OWNED BY EGYPTIANS IN PHAROAH'S HOUSE."
That's not what the story says. Most importantly, as noted in the video, as a result of the first livestock plage "ALL the livestock of the Egyptians died" (Exodus 9:6, emphasis added). Not some. Not just "Pharoah's livestock." ALL the livestock of the Egyptians died. That's what your Bible says. Why don't you believe it?
ProfMTH 2 months ago
(con't) @Boxerr54 " none of the Israelite's livestock were dead"
Right. The plagues weren't aimed at the Israelites. They targeted the Egyptians. And in the first livestock plague, all of the Egyptians' livestock were killed (Exodus 9:6). There were no Egyptian livestock left to die in the second and third plagues that impacted livestock, yet the story goes on to have the already dead Egyptian livestock dying yet again in those subsequent plagues.
ProfMTH 2 months ago
@Boxerr54 I have a hungarian version of named text as that language do distinguish between plural and singular "you", and quoted text clearly points on all of egyptian's livestock.
gagnashdiak 2 months ago
Oh!come on already!!ROFL!!!!
TheVastEmptiness 3 months ago
@TheVastEmptiness ;-)
ProfMTH 3 months ago
The plagues took place over a span of 6 months. Livestock were easily obtainable and replenishable. Herders traders nomads abounded. Egypt was so rich and powerful. They fought back against the plagues and stubbornly resisted.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or "The plagues took place over a span of 6 months."
Basis for your assertion?
"Livestock were easily obtainable and replenishable."
Really? Do tell. What is the basis for this assertion?
ProfMTH 3 months ago
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@ProfMTH ""Do tell. What is the basis for this assertion?""
Egypt was a powerful nation/empire. They could easily buy all the livestock they wanted and needed. And since they werent compeled to let the Jews free, it would make sense that they were able to bounce back from each plague using their wealth and power.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or This based on what?
petion2010 3 months ago
@j919or you (sir/madam, w/e) are IGNORANT to the subject of animal husbandry, a depleted herd would take various years to be fully replentished. the majority would not trade/sell off ANY of their good stud/birthing animals just the foals/calves, as it is well known to any animal farmer. its like you asking me to sell you my orchard instead of the fruit, i'd be left w/nothing & that is not only foolish it is simply stupid.
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@d00m0racl3 Hmmm. Egypt was a powerful empire and could obtain livestock from neighboring herders. This is what I wrote "Livestock were easily obtainable""
Prove otherwise.
j919or 2 weeks ago
@j919or ìf by "obtain" you mean wage war upon them to "aquisition" their flocks, do "pray tell" just how they did it being that egyptian army's strength in the batlefield were their CHARIOTEERS (you know them lil carts pulled by HORSES). it would also be nice to know how the army doing the "aquisitioning" moved about, (no animals to carry stuff) what they may have eaten, (no meat proteins for strength/stamina) you know the essential things for a moving army to have in order to be of service.
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@d00m0racl3 ""by "obtain" you mean wage war ""
Egypt was the most powerful empire of the time. Do you still wanna persist that they could not handle the problem?
j919or 1 week ago
@d00m0racl3 ""(no animals to carry stuff) ""
First ur assertions are loaded with assumptions. You assume that the plague killed ALL the horses etc. Then you assume that the Egyptians didnt jsut confiscate the Israelites horses. Truly you are a lover of darkness seeking lies to hide from the truth.
At the judgement all will be revealed. I implore you confess your evil to God and receive the gift of eternal life thru forgiveness and cleansing
j919or 1 week ago
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@j919or Now we all know for a fact who is evil fighting evil now don't we? Anyone who worships a MATERIAL item is pure evil. ***ATTENTION EVERYONE*** @j919or is an Antitheist TROLLING youtube acting as a Christian only to insite hate torwards us REAL Christians. Plz, I beg you to ignore this evil human being. He trolls atheists to get them to hate other humans that he obviously has not compassion for. He is the LOWEST of all human sludge. He is a snake begging you to eat the apple.
BigDwarren 1 week ago
@j919or the bible is simply his story not HISTORY!
d00m0racl3 2 weeks ago
@d00m0racl3 ""not HISTORY!""
Do u care to support ur assertion? Do you know anything about textual criticism and how to know what is history? ....I didnt think so.
j919or 1 week ago
@ profmth love your stuff and there's even a bigger issue you should do a video on. Like why did god keep doing shit that he new wasn't going to change the Pharos mind. Why didn't he just kill all the driest born from the start. Anyway check out my page wordoffakes And on a side note some of them are when I began to question the bible and my faith.
Now know it's all bullshit after 20 years in church
Wordoffakes 3 months ago
Is there a religion which believes that God exists but he actually evil? Like the christian God if he exists I have to accept if the bible is true he is a psychopathic ruthless dictator who is unfair and insane.To be honest I have little desire to worship or serve such a God if anything it would be out of fear with a total disgust for him.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
@MrEmeraldfusion yes there is. It's called Gnosticism whose followers have been killed or suppressed by the Church since early times. Nature itself is flawed... all life forms prey on others to survive and notice the arbitrary nature of evolution. Humans are imperfect due to the design flaw by an imperfect creator. The true God is beyond the physical universe, is formless and unmanifest and did not create it... and so on. Google Stephan Hoeller for an account of Gnostic beliefs and practices.
shinfella 3 months ago
There is another great blunder in Genesis concerning the 6 days of creation. see if you can find them.
EGMAG 3 months ago
@EGMAG Are you talking about god creating light on the first day, and then, creating the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day.
petion2010 3 months ago
I say he was just poking fun at the egyptians for having no livestock anymore. Yknow how you rib your opponents when you get one-up on them sometimes? That's what this was. "There's a hail coming, guys. You should totally get your cattle in before they... oh wait, you don't have any cattle anymore, do you? HOW STRANGE!" Yeah, Yahweh is a dick sometimes. Comes with being the creator of all evil.
bebopbountyhead 4 months ago
I always loved the "he hardend pharaoh's heart" thing. Making God just a sadistic ass.
timadd64 4 months ago
Did that death of all cattle include the livestock of the Jews and any foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague? We have no idea of the pacing of these plauges they could have been a year apart for all we know. So its logical more cattle were brought in to meet the needs for food from Egypts subordinate states around it. And God did not spare the Hebrews some of the plagues so it was nice God had Moses warn them.
clerickolter 5 months ago
@clerickolter "Did that death of all cattle include the livestock of the Jews and any foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague?"
The story says the Hebrews' livestock were preserved from all livestock plagues and that the Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock. There is nothing in the story about "foreigners that brought in livestock after the plague."
"We have no idea of the pacing of these plauges...."
The story appears to present a fairly quick sequence of events.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH There is nothing to say there were not livestock brought in either but since in the later plagues they did lose livestock its common sense some were then available to die later after the pestilence. And again there is no clear pacing unless the account says it happened the following day, week or month it could have been years. If its not written then its a gray area and one can use common sense to fill in the blanks.
clerickolter 5 months ago
@clerickolter "There is nothing to say there were not livestock brought in either...."
And, so, what's the rule: add any detail to the story one wants in order to repair its problems? Why can't it simply be that the story is screwed up?
"And again there is no clear pacing unless the account says it happened the following day, week or month it could have been years."
The story speaks in terms of days. Moreover, the plagues are presented as a campaign to shock Egypt into recognizing...
ProfMTH 5 months ago
(con't) @clerickolter ...that Yahweh was a powerful god who wanted Pharaoh to release the Hebrews from captivity. In addition to the weak textual support for your position, it would also require that Yahweh left his people in captivity for years rather than securing their release as soon as possible so that he could do a few tricks over the course of years. Hardly seems like the work of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent liberator.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH I reread the account it doesn't give a day to day pacing there was a plague then some time later another plague, a Rabbi I know and called verified this is not stated as days either it is a twelve plague wrath of God over an [undetermined] period of time. And I will note the Hebrews had cattle after the pestilence and they were not spared all the plagues so their cattle could die from hail Moses warned the Hebrews so the hail hit all the land even Goshen. Explaining the difference.
clerickolter 5 months ago
@clerickolter " I will note the Hebrews had cattle after the pestilence and they were not spared all the plagues...."
They weren't? Please identify the livestock-related plague(s) in which Exodus says Hebrew livestock were killed or injured. Thanks.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH HAHAHA good job ProfMTH you did a great job debunking this nut's theories to help accommodate the mistakes of Bronze Age writers.
HeavyDickSince93 4 months ago
@ProfMTH Exodus 9:19 shows that if a Hebrew didn't have his cattle within his home, which means if his dwelling was outside of Goshen, or if he was for any reason with his cattle outside Goshen, his cattle would die. Also understand they are the SLAVES of Egypt and when a Slave owner looses his cattle where do think he will turn to in order to replace what he lost? I guess that probably would be what his slave has!
ksfletch 4 months ago
@clerickolter the jews... the slaves... they owned livestock?
felderup 3 months ago
God clearly is not in favor of animal rights...neither is he in favor of human rights.
MunkyDrag0n 5 months ago
All the livestock of the Egyptians died. So they did what all good slave owners do, they took the livestock of their slaves. *crickets*
fourcams 5 months ago
@fourcams Except the story doesn't say that happened. Worse yet for your claim is that the story goes on to say that the Hebrews left Egypt *with* their livestock. Crickets indeed!
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH The story doesn't say any of the people went potty either, but I imagine they did. Is this your criteria for truth? That a story contain every blasted detail or it's false? Wow. But I suppose it's utterly inconceivable that slave-owning Egyptians who had just lost all of their livestock would simply take some of the livestock of their Israelite slaves. It's fine that you raise the question, but you say the absence of certain details proves the story false. It doesn't in this case.
fourcams 5 months ago
@fourcams "The story doesn't say any of the people went potty either, but I imagine they did. Is this your criteria for truth?"
Went potty? In any case, I noted 2 things, one of which you have conveniently ignored: 1) the story does not say the Egyptians took the Hebrews livestock; 2) more importantly, it SAYS that the Hebrews left Egypt WITH the livestock. So, yeah, crickets are still chirping for you.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
This video is silly. If I was to talk it seriously this video is very off its actually funny that people deem it accurate(about as so as bible verses). I dont know what the intent of this video was? Is it to make fun of the bible? Is it to point of the Bible's flaws(if so then that is a technical issue at present). Is it to say the Bible is wrong because of .......? I would like to know.
Ryukikon 5 months ago
@Ryukikon The intent of this video and the "Brief Bible Blunders" series is to demonstrate that the claim that the Bible is inerrant is false. The Bible itself demonstrates that the claim is false. Now, do you have anything relevant to say to refute what's been presented here?
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH
Your video does not prove the Bible to be false, there are much better ways to put an argument to that end than this. First, you alter the tale to make it fit your end. In your story yes, that would be true but your story is not the Bible's story. Next this is one question, how long did Moses Stay in Egypt when he was trying to free the Jews from Slavery? When you answer that question then we can have some common ground for me to distill further logics.
Ryukikon 5 months ago
@Ryukikon "Your video does not prove the Bible to be false...."
Did you actually read what I wrote in response to your comment? It appears you did not (or that you did not understand it). The purpose of this series is to prove that the claim that the Bible is inerrant, i.e., without error, is false. The failure of the doctrine of inerrancy doesn't mean that everything in the Bible is false. You might want to pay attention to what someone responding to your questions actually says.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
(con't) @Ryukikon Of course, the failure of biblical inerrancy *does* raise the question about why a purportedly perfect and omnipotent god would inspire an imperfect collection of texts OR not protect his inspired texts from error down the line (in, e.g., translation). But that's something for *you*, a believer, to think about. :-)
"First, you alter the tale to make it fit your end."
I changed nothing in the story. It seems you're not able to deal with the reality of it.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
@ProfMTH
You are very funny? You should follow your own advise. Answer my quesion please. How long did Moses Stay in Egypt when he was trying to free the Jews from Slavery?
Ryukikon 5 months ago
I can't stop laughing!
TheSmackerlacker 5 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker Glad you enjoyed it.
ProfMTH 5 months ago
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lonewolfprojects 5 months ago
@lonewolfprojects if that is the case then why not follow the religion of ancient Mesopotamia, since that is what the old testament ripped off in the first place.
Frizzurd 5 months ago
this video is EPIC!!!
karmasbeeoch 6 months ago
@karmasbeeoch Thanks!
ProfMTH 6 months ago
Why don't you do a series on Brief Koran Blunders?
franknhonest 6 months ago
@franknhonest Perhaps I will one day.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
just buck-wild. When you look at the bible in a critical manner it folds LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
karmasbeeoch 6 months ago
@karmasbeeoch That it does. Thanks.
ProfMTH 6 months ago
Thanks for "Fun Fact." I have been marking my bible for weird verses for a long time and this one Ex 7:3-4 (together with 10:1-2, 10:27, 11:9) is probably the weirdest of them all. It is so weird that it should be enough reason to dismiss the bible as a book inspired by a loving god. This god appears to me as someone more bent on proving his powers than anything else. There is a traitor in the organization and it's the boss. And they call Judas a traitor - at least he is in "good" company.
MrDivineLabs 6 months ago
The entire Bible is a blunder.
Period.
sherlockfan16 6 months ago
Love it!
AmosTheTalented 7 months ago
@AmosTheTalented Thanks.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Sorry I offended you, by saying I feel sorry for you, your quite right I don't know you, and should not have been so bold and intrusive.
In answer to your question I have faith in a God who wants us to work it out for ourselves and he leaves us to it in order to learn, he doesn't intrude or force me, and this is the God I believe in.
Have a great weekend, I won't comment again apologies
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
The last part "bare of seed" seems to indicate Pharaoh's deep interest in Israel, and apparent control over them.
I do have pictures of archaeological evidence of Hebrew Slaves in Egypt and would be happy to post them to you, also there is evidence from the artefacts in the BM
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters "I do have pictures of archaeological evidence of Hebrew Slaves in Egypt and would be happy to post them to you, also there is evidence from the artefacts in the BM"
Feel free to post whatever evidence you believe you have of the Exodus story. I eagerly await seeing it.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters That's incredibly odd that you have evidence of such a thing. Not only would @ProfMTH like to see it but the Israelis would like to see it as well. They've spent the last few decades searching for it and admit to never having found any. I suppose that you must think you have some sort of thing that they must have missed?
SummerSeale 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters Where is your evidence of slavery in Egypt?
233yvan 6 months ago
@SuperStillwaters
I don't understand how this comment by an Egyptian (prince? historian?) relates to the issue of whether a bunch of Jews were ever slaves in Egypt. Please explain.
rlwemm 7 months ago
It's just logical to me that the Egyptians got more livestock from somewhere.
If for example your goldfish died you would just buy another one from somewhere.
When foot and mouth attacked our cattle in England all the cattle were killed but stocks were replaced.
The Bible doesn't say stock was replaced but does it need to, because it so obviously was.
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters "It's just logical to me that the Egyptians got more livestock from somewhere. If for example your goldfish died you would just buy another one from somewhere."
LOL. So, is it your belief that there was a livestock shop in the ancient world where the Egyptians could have popped in on a moment's notice and replaced all the livestock killed in the first livestock plague?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
Not just that! Think about the logistics involved in buying so many cattle from a foreign nation which would have likely been clear across either the Sahara desert or the Suez Canal and the stretch of desert that separated Egypt from Ur, Sumer, and Babel. Don't even get me started on Nubia because they hated the Egyptians. Where would they have gotten the cattle?
Activeassholeonpills 6 months ago
@SuperStillwaters i lold at you
deathxe5 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters
You can't post the obvious, logical answers here, atheists don't like that.
RetSquid 7 months ago
@RetSquid lol the bible lacks logic...atheist dont like that.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989
You have that backwards.
RetSquid 6 months ago
@RetSquid how? there is several contradictions in the bible ,mass murder,slavery,rape,babykilling,eternal damnation and god sacrificed himself to himself.... the bible is bullshit.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@DarkBeauty1989
There are very few contradictions, and those are transcription errors.
RetSquid 6 months ago
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@RetSquid Kill those that break the sabbath-Num 15:32-36(picked up sticks),Ex31:14. Kill those that wont obey their parents Deut 21:18-21. Kill those that insult their parents Lev 20:9. Kill babies 1sam 15:1-3 ,Hosea14:1,Deut 20:15-16(kill everything),Deut 2:34-35(killed everyone) ,Deut3:6-7,Judges 21:10-11,Joshua 6:21(killed everyone),Num 31:15-18. Killed kids for calling man bald 2kings 2:23-24. god accepts human sacrifice not only with jesus -Judges 11:30-40.
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
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@RetSquid Kill unbelievers even own mom Deut 13:6-11,Deut 13:13-18,Deut 17:2-5,Deut 20:15-18. Kill blasphemers lev 24:15-16 and 23. Kill gays Lev 20:13. Beat slaves to death Ex 21:20-21. Rape 2sam 12:11,Isaiah 13:16,Zec14:1-2,Deut 21:11-14,Deut 22:28-29,Judges 21:12. Kill the "whore" Deut22:20-21(cause she wasnt a virgin),Lev 21:9(burn her),Lev 20:10 (adultery).
DarkBeauty1989 6 months ago
@RetSquid All it take is one and the entire book become suspect!!!!
233yvan 5 months ago
@233yvan
O.K. what are the supposed contradictions?
RetSquid 5 months ago
Hebrew stocks of cattle did not die, so there was still cattle around. The Pharaoh would not want to let the Hebrews go if they had supplied him with some Cattle, no wonder his heart was hardened, interesting
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters "Hebrew stocks of cattle did not die, so there was still cattle around."
The video doesn't claim that the Hebrews' livestock were killed. The point is that all of the EGYPTIAN livestock was killed in the first livestock plague. Since they were all killed in the first plague, none were left to be killed in subsequent plagues. The Hebrews' livestock is irrelevant to this. The story says the Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock. Why would you bring up an irrelevancy?
ProfMTH 7 months ago
(con't) @SuperStillwaters "The Pharaoh would not want to let the Hebrews go if they had supplied him with some Cattle...."
But there's absolutely nothing in the text that indicates that the Hebrews "supplied" Pharaoh with livestock. Nothing. In fact, the story has the Hebrews leaving Egypt with their livestock.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
What always gets me is raining frogs.
Seriously what type on Omnipotent being sends frogs. Why not Bison. Now a bunch of pissed off buffalo falling from the sky, now that's a plague!
Craigmw45 7 months ago
@Craigmw45 hahaha Agree. xD
gambitx4000 7 months ago
@TwyztdValkyrie
There is no archeological evidence that the Jews were ever in Eygypt. Nor is there any evidence that they wandering around in the desert, either. The complete lack of evidence would be highly improbable If the biblical account was true. The general opinion among reputable scholars is that the further back in time we go the less reliable is the biblical account.
TheLaRosita 7 months ago
@TheLaRosita I've been fully aware of this since my teenage years :P (Issue here though is that they were and are slave *traders*). Also the whole Joseph story is physically impossible, because the political landscape spoken in the bible is centuries out of date. Not to mention that the REED sea is actually a swamp and dries out enough every year so that people are perfectly capable of walking through it.... but horses and chariots are not ;) Weight distribution issues in the muck ^^;;
TwyztdValkyrie 7 months ago
@TheLaRosita Merneptah (1213 BC-1203 BC), son of Ramesses II Makes mention of ... 1208 BCE) that "Israel is wasted, bare of seed,
Hope this helps, also the BBC a few years back made a programme of Israel in Egypt it was not a Christian programme.
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
You just know an xtian is going to say that "livestock" was a mistranslation from camel or something, that "beasts" aren't livestock but wild animals or boars or some BS, and then that leaves room for the "cattle" at the end. But you have to wonder if jews were slaves in egypt on this massive scale, why was it egyptians and not slaves building the pyramids and mastabas and valley of the kings and queens; why did the exodus never happen... and why are the plagues not irregular events in egypt?
TwyztdValkyrie 7 months ago
@TwyztdValkyrie like
cruelbusiness1984 7 months ago
The argument is irrelevant because main stream archeologists believe that the Exodus never happened and that the story is an entirely fictional narrative put together between the 8th and 5th centuries BC.
The Wikipedia entry for the Exodus states that the archaeological evidence of the Canaanite origins of Israel is "overwhelming," and leaves "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."
TheLaRosita 7 months ago
@TheLaRosita well true. it just goes 2 show that not only r they wrong, they're double wrong, and contradicting themselves with wrongness and they still won't give it up. I mean, frankly, its embarassing
cruelbusiness1984 7 months ago
Maybe they got new cows from other places between the killings so in that case Think of the wasted money
bjam89 7 months ago
I recall pointing this discrepancy out in school when I was around 7 years old and was rather insistent that it didn't make sense. My reward for having a logical and questioning mind was 2 of the belt (leather strap across the hands - old Scottish school punishment).
ThomasTrue 7 months ago
@ThomasTrue Ouch!
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ThomasTrue
Same thing for me, except they threw me out of the school. El oh el
CRUSH3Rdlux 7 months ago
@ThomasTrue Anybody that beats people up for questioning is evil and should be reported for abuse.
I feel sorry for you, sadly this was my experience too, and I do question everything, and I have still kept my faith in Jesus, but not the crazy, no mercy and cruel environment I was raised up in.
I respect everybody's view and the right to say it.
SuperStillwaters 7 months ago
@SuperStillwaters If your experience is of a crazy, no mercy, cruel enviornment, how can you possibly still believe in some silent, invisible Sky Daddy doing everything by magic? And don't say you feel sorry for me because you don't even know me.
ThomasTrue 7 months ago
The livestock must have been raised from the dead, like Jesus. Perhaps they were all also the children of God? If he can impregnate a virgin human female, why not a virgin cow? or a whole bunch of them?
Yahweh big you old pervert.
Nails077 8 months ago
There was one thing this video failed to mention in exodus 9:3; it says, "the Lord will bring a terrible plague on your livestock IN THE FIELD." NIV.
ysutuba 8 months ago
@ysutuba And then, as the video notes, the story goes on to say that ALL of the livestock of the Egyptians were killed. ALL. Not some. All.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH If I may play devils advocate, several translations of the Bible do say specifically field animals. This could very well be interpreted as the Egyptians having some stock not being in the field. Since Exodus 9:19 didn't happen until a few days afterward, once could further say that the few Egyptian stock that didn't get killed in Ex. 9:6 were out to pasture now that it was "safe".
Elpha22 8 months ago
@Elpha22 But as I noted in the comment to which you responded, the story says that because of the first plague ALL the Egyptian livestock died (Exodus 9:6). All. Not some. All. I'm all for playing the role of the advocatus diaboli, but last I checked 'all' means "all." :-)
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH I was going to argue further, but then I realized the entire story makes no damn sense at all. He's trying to get Pharaoh to release the people, but he hardens his heart? 'the f*ck is that all about? XD
Elpha22 8 months ago
@Elpha22 Exactly.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
One thing that I don't think this vid mentions, doesn't "livestock" include horses? Didn't Pharaoh charge after the Israelites of horses later?
But they're dead.
Klokinator 8 months ago
Good catch! I never thought about these verses saying that they're dead and then saying they will be killed (again lol) before but that is def. a bible blunder. Hahaha. Zombie animals. They're not really dead. They're just sleeping ;)
HappyAtheist76 8 months ago
@HappyAtheist76 ;-) Exactly. Thanks for the comment.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
lol god must really hate animels
ARAFELI 8 months ago
The bible has more plot holes than dragonball z. It is still a good read though.
Piccolo7126 9 months ago
@Piccolo7126 " It is still a good read though."
Definitely.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
Nice video. Just a small correction, if you don't mind. Moses could get his livestock because it's mentioned that so called blood thirsty god made a distinction between Israelites' livestock and Egyptians' livestock. But other things pointed out by are correct :)
benlitapinto1 9 months ago
@benlitapinto1 Yeah, there's no question here that the Hebrews' livestock was preserved from harm in all of the plagues.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
He's God, so he raised them from the dead several times and killed them again each time, makes sens doesn't it?
LegionIscariot 9 months ago
@LegionIscariot That is called divine recycling!!!!!! LOL
233yvan 8 months ago
Logically, if I were a Christian, it would occur to me that Egypt is not an isolated territory, and as such could have initiated in trade with neighboring nations to increase the amounts of that which their country was found wanting; in this case, that would mean buying new livestock at every turn of each new plague. Fortunately I have yet to meet a single Christian capable of, or even allowed by Scripture to, make use of reasoning external to that which takes place in their Divine sourcebook.
caramonspace 9 months ago
@caramonspace Well, in those times, Egypt WAS a very isolated country for geological reasons as well as cultural. I doubt they could replace ALL the livestock in the land to even remotely compare with the loss, assuming they would even try to trade other countries for it. Regardless, they would have ended up short on SOMETHING (you have to TRADE for the livestock) and plenty would have gone hungry. So yeah, this "logic" doesn't add up, either.
ryosukesegami 9 months ago
I just watched a response video to this by "gbjew" (Great Bullshitter - Jew?). Anyways, the video nicely has comments "disabled" so the video is presented the same way anything from the Bible is at a church - PREACHED, no questions, no comments please. She read from external source, which I guess was something written by a Jewish scholar in the past which answers all these fun findings. Anything works as long as you keep extending the "divinely inspired" authorship to any subsequent writings.
mclordhelmet 9 months ago
and then pharaoh sends 600 chariots after the jews in exodus 14 6-7 pulled by what exactly. the dead horses?
strugglingfish 9 months ago
@strugglingfish "the dead horses?"
Must have been. They were the only ones he had.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@strugglingfish
Ah man, that would have been great to see, Moses must have laughed, lol
ffxme 9 months ago
Are we seriously talking about the number of cattle? wtf? You have way too much time on your hands.
BalladoftheWindfish 9 months ago
@BalladoftheWindfish "Are we seriously talking about the number of cattle?"
Actually, what is being talked about here is the fact that in the story *all* of the livestock are killed in the first plague aimed at livestock, only to have the already dead livestock killed yet again in subsequent plagues aimed at livestock. Not sure how that got by you.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH Same thing, dude. Admitting for a moment that this is an irresolvable discrepancy, we're talking about cattle. W. T. F.
BalladoftheWindfish 9 months ago
@BalladoftheWindfish "Admitting for a moment that this is an irresolvable discrepancy, we're talking about cattle. W. T. F."
Actually, we're talking about the (purported) inerrancy of the Bible. Again, not sure how that got by you, dude.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH But what does inerrancy have to do with the number of cattle? That is exactly my point. Only in modern American fundamentalist Protestantism (that's a mouthful) do you have this asperger view about inerrancy - its absolutely retarded. I mean, we're seriously talking about cattle? wtf. The Bible is not the Qur'an - it is not stenography, inerrancy for the Bible is not at all like the inerrancy for the Qur'an. And this is conceding, btw, that this really is an irresolvable discrepancy.
BalladoftheWindfish 9 months ago
@BalladoftheWindfish " But what does inerrancy have to do with the number of cattle?"
If, as the Book of Exodus says, all the livestock were killed in the first plague, there could not have been any to be killed in subsequent plagues. Yet the Book of Exodus has livestock magically showing up to be killed in two subsequent plagues. If the Bible has errors in it, then, necessarily, it's not inerrant.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@ProfMTH Stupid "little" atheist. Several months passed between each plague, shown by the frog invasion which only ocurrs seasonally. This is where your STUPIDITY breaks down: the Egyptians could build pyramids (you do know what a pyramid is, right? If they could build Pyramids then why can't they replentish their livestock? Stop your foolishness "little atheist."
aggienostic 9 months ago
@aggienostic "Several months passed between each plague, shown by the frog invasion which only ocurrs seasonally."
So the frog plague wasn't miraculous, but rather a mere seasonal happening?
More importantly, please cite the passage(s) that say(s) "[s]everal months passed between each plague." Thanks.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
@aggienostic Pyramids took decades to build, so the dramatic die-off of ALL the livestock in Egypt would affect the general populace, especially during the dry season, thus slowing down any construction projects (especially pyramid construction). It would take a while of buying numerous animal herds from abroad to help Egypt's economy, as diminished as it would be given the situation, to recover. Have you ever considered that "little theist"?
Vexille1983 8 months ago
@aggienostic Where does it says the frog plague was seasonal? From where in the scripture would the entire livestock of Egypt be replaced? Show chapter&verses please.
233yvan 6 months ago
@BalladoftheWindfish What is laughable is that, in ushering the statement you repeatedly deliver (i.e. "Are we seriously talking about the number of cattle?") with that admonishing tone of paleocentric smugness and illegitimate argumentative superiority, you completely condescend above the fact that it was presented in the Bible itself on numerous occasions by way of the passages mentioned. Therefore you are admitting that the very point the Bible emphasizes multiple times is irrelevant to you.
caramonspace 9 months ago
People the Bible is written by bronze age men. They are retelling stories that have been handed down for centuries. Of course the bible has contradictions. It"s hard to believe that some people think they can intrepid the stories to make some logical sense out of it. Explanations for the contradiction fail badly. Until people realize that this is a Jewish tail of old will it make any sense. This story can not be taken literal. It is a made tail of deliverance by God for the Jews.
yeudh 9 months ago
You're doing a real public service here, exposing this nonsense.
Way to go man!
Highlyskeptical 9 months ago
@Highlyskeptical Thanks a lot.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
Sheesh this guy is good about leaiving IMPORTANT FACTS out. I suppose aimed at people to stupid to read it for themselves. Hes wrong on Exodus 9:6 dosent say ALL, it says all the cattle of Egypt died, but the cattle of Israel did not die. Exodus 9:19 is NOT addresed to Egypt, but to Israel..they are not exempt from following Gods comands. Easy answer...that is to whoever reads it theirselves instead of listening to this idiot
littlelogcabins 10 months ago
@littlelogcabins "Exodus 9:6 dosent say ALL, it says all the cattle of Egypt died"
Which is precisely what I said in the video.
"the cattle of Israel did not die"
Never said it did. It's irrelevant. The Hebrews left Egypt with their livestock.
"Exodus 9:19 is NOT addressed to Egypt, but to Israel."
Wrong. It begins in verse 13, which has Yahweh ordering Moses, "Get up early in the morning, confront Pharaoh and say to him...." You should read your Bible.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
Once again ProfMTH intentionally edits the text, leaving out the fact that God said He "would make a difference between the livestock of Egypt and that of Israel." (Ex 9:4).
So the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail. This Bible Blunders guy is himself a gargantuan blunder.
TheThumper49 10 months ago
@TheThumper49 "the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail"
Incorrect. Read the story again. None of the livestock plagues ever effected the Hebrews' livestock. As the video shows (with citations), tor the second livestock plague Moses is told to tell Pharaoh to bring his livestock in--this despite the fact that all the Egyptian livestock had already been killed. Read your Bible for Pete's sake.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH
And you beat me to it by 5 minutes....
/I blame traffic.
A0DBOB 10 months ago
@ProfMTH Another blunder for the Prof. The first pestilence killed the Egyptian livestock. The second (hail) came down on the unbelieving Jews who were of Egypt (Egypt being a type of sin) " He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: And he that regarded not the word of the LORD left his servants and his cattle in the field." Ex.9:19,20 Read your Bible.
TheThumper49 10 months ago
@TheThumper49 "The second (hail) came down on the unbelieving Jews"
I've seen apologists try a lot of bullshit, but the above-quoted is one of the most, if not *the* most blatant. In 9:13 Yahweh tells Moses to address the warning about the second livestock plague (hail) to Pharaoh: "Then Yahweh said to Moses, 'Rise up early in the morning and stand before Pharaoh and say to him....'" You're changing your god's word, which, if the Bible is to be believed, he doesn't like (Proverbs 30:6).
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH It is what it is. You should thank me for clearing the errors from your gord.
TheThumper49 10 months ago
@TheThumper49 "It is what it is."
Indeed. And what "it is" is that you've attempted to rewrite the text and you've been called out on it. This is either the result of ignorance, dishonesty, or an attempt to bullshit, none of which is going to persuade anyone who actually knows the story (as I do).
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@TheThumper49
"So the second request to bring the livestock applies to the living animals of Israel that were untouched by the hail. "
Really?
"Throughout Egypt hail struck everything in the fields—both people and animals; it beat down everything growing in the fields and stripped every tree. 26 The only place it did not hail was the land of Goshen, where the Israelites were. "
He made a distinction between the Egyptian and Israelites AGAIN.
A0DBOB 10 months ago
@TheThumper49
And thus, the order was obviously directed AT the Pharaoh and his people.
A0DBOB 10 months ago
When it boils down to it, I guess it's fun to ridicule these idiots. If they were not always trying to persuade me(and others like me) of there stupid myths then I would not derive so much pleasure from it. I used to consider myself a respectful atheist, but respect goes both ways...
DrSpooglemon 10 months ago
Talk about beating a dead horse! ;) (or camel)
cleanhomer 10 months ago
As a former christian I am amazed at the gullibility of those who blithely accept the most absurd explanations, twisted "one time only" reasons and incredible twisting of plain words to substantiate nonsense in the Bible.
The sun stops, Satan & god chat with us, animals talk, people floating and food appears like magic. These are things in the tales for my 3 year old - not for allegedly intelligent, mature, discerning adults.
smb12321 10 months ago
@ServeTheWay "Critical reading skills required."
Indeed. But that's quite a bit different from changing the story, which is a tactic apologists resort to all too often.
ProfMTH 10 months ago
Here we go again. There were cattle in the fields and cattle in the stalls. So far so good. The cattle in the field died. There remains some in the stall. So then if you actually read the chapter those after that feared the word of the Lord kept the animals in (after the first plague) while those that did not had the other animals die. BTW The exact time frame is not mentioned and it might be months before the next plague happened.
RepresentingTruth 10 months ago