Hip Throw - Ringen am Schwert ("Wrestling at the Sword")

[agrazebrook]

@PankrationWarrior Actually, it is exactly about street fighting. That's what the manuals were writing about. The combat technique show here is quite specifically self-defence designed for situations such as pub brawling. Fully armoured fighting in mass-combat is very different.

[DiabolusIgnis]

@agrazebrook IIRC, the manuals were made for nobles. Hardly pub-fighting there. The people writing these manuals would want some kind of money for their effort. If they could prove to a nobleman how this manual would teach his sons how to fight, the author usually got a good amount of money.

At least, that's what logic says. Most people couldn't read anyways.

[ModernGermanWarfare]

germany is hardcore at all... gotta love my country

[NotJustYouNoob]

@PankrationWarrior Sword vs. sword in modern street fights end the moment the police arrive.

[MalaRhynn]

Saying European martial arts was ripped off from Asia is like saying walking upright was ripped off from Egyptians.

[FaceMeetsFloor]

@PankrationWarrior How about cobblestone streets?

[bearsfan213]

yea, like im going to use this on the street.

[thorneun]

klick klack BOOOOOM

[steeldragonx]

That was an amazing throw, imagining them in all their medieval gear and being thrown to the ground like that, OUCH! I love it.

[92Womanizer92]

Holy Shit !!!

Nice nice xD

[KuLaydMahn]

Also, I may be wrong on this, but I believe I've heard of Egyptian hieroglyphs predating Pankration that illustrate wrestling techniques, some of which are still in common use today. It's just fundamental.

Ok, I'll stop littering the comments now...sorry if I've been too chatty.

[KuLaydMahn]

Lets be fair - you can say Alexander brought Pankration to India, but are you really sure he brought anything more than a label? Boxing, grappling, etc. should all be fundamental to territorial, social, and warlike species such as humans and apes. I bet if you watch 2 grizzled old chimps go at it you'll see a few things that look like MA, and if you watch 20 pairs of chimps you might even think they DO have MA.

I'm not saying the Greeks didn't have an impact, but I doubt they "created" MA.

[KuLaydMahn]

I see I should have watched this video before commenting on the other as you are clearly aware of hip use. I shoulda known :p Thanks for the vids, great techs! These are the first demonstrations of real European MAs I've seen. They're not astounding - it's no surprise that they were capable warriors - but eye-opening. I love Asian MA, but I had no idea just HOW similar this was. Makes me proud.

One question - is it just coincidence that both vids start sword-over-head, or standard faire?

[Kunstdesfechtens]

The sword over the head (Vom Tag trans. "From the Roof") is one of the four basic guards (Vier Leger in German). There is a variant held over the shoulder as well, which I personally find more useful. It's the best guard to throw a cut from in general.

[DarthWill86]

What book would I find these techniques in? these are amazing!!!

[Kunstdesfechtens]

These are from old German fencing manuals from the 1400's. This one is from Sigmund Ringeck's manual from about 1440. This is swordsmanship in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer, who lived in the late 1300's.

[VikingWannaBe51887]

holy shit! That was the most brutal throw iv ever seen!

[MMAfighter70]

this would not be considered a traditional technique would it? I dont believe they used judo in Mideaval Europe. this must be a more modern form.

[Konane12]

This is not judo, it's medieval european combat wrestling. If you look at medieval combat manuals you can see tons of grappling techniques utilized in armed and unarmed combat. Since body mechanicks haven't changed over time, it's not really surprising to see similarities among different styles.

[Littlejon126]

Grappling made it a lot easier to defeat armor too, because your opponent cannot move with or deflect an attack when they are flat on their back or face down. If you do some research, Jujitsu was also for fighting an opponent who is wearing ARMOR.

[rithban]

This is taken from Mediaeval and Renaissance manuals. It looks like a good interpretation of traditional technique.

[Kunstdesfechtens]

Hi, here's a translation from ARMA from the orginal medieval German: "When he holds his sword aloft to strike you a powerful blow then will you hold your sword with the left hand on the pommel above your head and the blade over your back. Duck under his right arm and spring your right foot behind his right foot. In the spring grip him with your right arm around his body. Take him on the right hip and throw him to the ground." -Sigmund Ringeck, 1440

[demfings]

All martial ares came from europe anyway, Pankration which is greek is what all asian martial arts stemed from when it was brought into india by alexander the great. So you could say all asian martial arts are european ripoffs. European arts developed differently but some have similarities to asain ones becuase they all come from pankration.

[255Knights]

Huh that make so much sense... Pankration is much older the Olympics...

In fact no one truly knows how old wrestling, boxing, and Pankration is...

They are much older then the Olympics it self! In fact they MAY exists before the Greeks even knew how to wright...

What is Pankration?

The Ancient Greeks develop a concept of MMA, it was called Pankration; it was manly kick Boxing, Wrestling, Grappling, and throwing; all put as one...

[255Knights]

Pankration is much older THEN the Olympics...

Fix

[Djemps]

Pankration is much older THAN the Olympics...

Fix again

[255Knights]

LOL, thanks.

I hate modern English...

[sheriffquick]

Yep!! Europeans created everything the tower of Babel and the Ancient pyramids!!!LMAO

[255Knights]

OH MY GOD HOW DID YOU KNOW!

[8stepsifu]

these seem to be the exception is what I wrote. Most of the OTHER stuff I see is an Asian ripoff. Is English your primary langauge?

[Soreth]

Most of the other stuff... examples? I can say anything, it won't have meaning until I back it up with examples/proofs. I partially agree with you, BTW, there ARE Asian ripoffs, but most of those organizations disappear quite quickly. If you are aware of one or several that are still alive, tell their names so the community will be able to deal with them.

[255Knights]

Never herd of European martial arts being Asian ripoffs Why would they be? Europe has a very, VERY rich history of martial arts. And have plenty of old manuals on fighting and such

There are plenty of European martial arts schools, and it cant be a ripoffs! If they were a ripoffs then you cannot use the weapons properly or defended your self against a armored man ether.

[255Knights]

Also some moves may look like a Asian ripoffs because there are SOME similarities in fighting moves! (In fact most martial arts in Europe are older, so I doubt it can be a ripoffs)

[255Knights]

opps I ment to say there are SOME similarities in SOME fighting moves...

[kardentyrell]

theres only so many ways a body can move, the simularities are bound to be found

[8stepsifu]

Finally, European martial arts that aren't Asian ripoffs.

[animematt]

lol European arts were never Asian ripoffs.

[8stepsifu]

The modern rendition/recreation of European martial arts are almost always Asian ripoffs.  This seems to be the exception.

[animematt]

No...just no. All these are based off of texts and manuals from the 1300-1600 hundreds, even before.

[Spckeck]

Any chance we can get some Battle Axe drills particularly the 3/4 length variety.

[Kendoka05]

langschwert (bzw eig. langes schwert) entspricht dem landläufigen bastardschwert/anderthalbhände­r. das einhändige "langschwert" heußt eigentlich breitschwert.

[leogan]

techniques like that were allowed in pre WWII Kendo

[vaingloria]

Diese sind Langenschwerter

[Sheik06]

Can you tell me what is the name of that throw?

[sintagma]

Schon, sind das bastard Schwerter oder die fur zwei hande ???

[MattABryant]

Er benutzt ein bastard Schwert. Wir nennen es nur ein Langesschwert. Ein Langesschwert könnte kurz order lang sein.

[SwordAndBuckler]

Owwwwwnnneeed! (yes I know it's just a drill)