as i stopped watching tv, if this happens i will stop using internet also. if they dont let us do what we want on the net, then why should i feed them.
It would be nice is the effort to create this video, supports of free internet, ect. would put this much effort into demanding that the government do something about the whole global warming issue.
Well, weather patters and climate are two entirely different things. But whatever, even if you do not buy into the man made manufactured warming, its still evident that it is occurring, so why not put the effort into attempting to do something about it? Why spend so much effort on something that may not end up mattering in 30-50 years.
So if we know it is coming (man-made or not) then why not prepare or attempt to create more livable events? Why waste our time on issues like this (and abortion, gay marriage, ect. you know, things that are not actual issues when it comes to us as human beings).
@knightofdreamz 1) It is not man made. Humans have not been on this Earth long enough to determine whether their impact is of any significance.
2) You can't stop Earth from doing what it has always done. This included climate change just as you cannot stop an earthquake from occuring or volcano from erupting.
3) I'm all for being more environmentally friendly, but you should not force it upon anyone because going green costs people and business more money and has problems of its own.
@HeyRuka I only have one choice when it comes to broadband...ONE!!! I could get dial-up but i dont consider dial-up as competition so there is no Capitalism as far as broadband is concerned they have control of this area so im screwed if they kill net neutrality
Net neutrality is a principle which advocates no restrictions by Internet service providers or governments on consumers' access to networks that participate in the internet. Specifically, network neutrality would prevent restrictions on content, sites, platforms, the kinds of equipment that may be attached, or the modes of communication.
Just because some of the U.S. government support net neutrality, it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Politics sometimes do good things to distract people.
@jimmybobw Without a neutral net though ALL ISPs would limit services and attach heavy costs to better access... it would be a case of choosing the lesser of two evils rather than the one that doesn't charge you. I'm not saying this to you directly, but in general there appears to be a lot of naivety on the part of the anti-neutrality argument with people saying that ISPs won't all charge and it will allow for hospitals and doctors to get faster net etc when really they'd milk the average user.
@Pwnzistor It means your local representative is an idiot; H.J.RES.37 = Marriage in the United States shall consist only of a legal union of one man and one woman.
@Pwnzistor Your link leads to nothing but a title page, but I did error; I was looking at the wrong year. On the other hand, he is still an idiot; the problems that are appearing now, and started with Comcast, are the same the telecoms had before the middle eighties. The rulings that were created by the FCC, are what created the competition in telecoms today; a person needs to understand the technology and history to understand.
Wow, I'm shocked that the Daily Show didn't give the strait story on this.. Ironically, those "evil companies" aren't changing anything. It is the government that wants to change the net. See, right now, the net is neutral, but the government and some corporations want to "regulate" the net (control) it, and ironically call the controlled internet "net neutrality." Just another example of the government using misleading names to push bills, like the "Patriot Act" that gutted our rights
@FieldMarshalB Actually Comcast started doing some of their own regulation, and that is what started the concern. Comcast made the same error as AOL, and decided to have unlimited internet usage to sell their service, so people started to use it; well their network became bogged down, like AOL, so they decided to block certain type of usage, and made it look like people were have computer problems. Comcast and Level 3 is another NN issue, as port blocking is becoming common, also.
hanks to a.thinker: "if the government regulates that will only exacerbate the problem as then we the customers will have to not only have to fight the agendas of the companies but also the governments. We just have to make sure there is always a choice (that extends beyond trivialities) in providers and don’t allow any of them to obtain a monopoly."
thanks to a.thinker: "if the government regulates that will only exacerbate the problem as then we the customers will have to not only have to fight the agendas of the companies but also the governments. We just have to make sure there is always a choice (that extends beyond trivialities) in providers and don’t allow any of them to obtain a monopoly."
Why didn't they say anything about Obama's Internet Kill Switch in this video? You people are a bunch of fucking idiots if you think that The FCC controlling the internet the way it does television and radio is a good thing. You sheep will believe anything a liberal tells you. Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
@Fuctmentality Obviously you don't know what Net Neutrality is if you missed the part where Internet 2 is being regulated by the FCC and gives Obama an Internet Kill Switch like they had in Egypt. Hey all you sheep thumbs upping this video look up "Internet Kill Switch".
@DanielDamascusKimery & What does the kill switch have to do with net neutrality? & Yes someone clearly would have to regulate the internet to enforce net neutrality if it were to be reinstated.
@DanielDamascusKimery Yeah, I got that. But Why the fuck are bitching about the fact that the FCC would regulate net neutrality as though it that wasn't part of the package. & What bill, retard? The kill switch predates the bullshit "net nonneutrality". Seriously what fucking bill.
@Fuctmentality The FCC are the Censorship Nazis that ruined radio and television and you think it's a good idea to have them take over the internet? No you fucking Moron the Internet Kill Switch is part of the Net Neutrality Bill. It does not predate it. Just google "Net neutrality Bill". I'm done now you're too stupid for me to talk to. Keep drinking The flouride ok Libtard.
@DanielDamascusKimery No, I wouldn't, but this isn't giving the FCC control of the net, it would just be giving them the authority to regulate ISPs, there is a huge fucking difference. & No it wasn't the kill switch predated the net nonneutrality bill. & You were done before you started, you are bitching about retarded unrelated shit.
@DanielDamascusKimery Show where a kill switch is part of the NN bill; I have a copy of it with me, and there is no mention of a kill switch. There has been talk about it, but it is a completely separate issue, and will likely not happen because of the technical complications...and will not do what it is intended for.
@DanielDamascusKimery Explain how the FCC ruined radio and television. Think about the problems that would occur if every John, Dick, and Harry just send signals on any frequency they wanted; on the other hand, the argument of inappropriate broadcasting, that people can just change the channel, does not work for those of us who have children capable of not changing frequencies when the parents are away, which is the reason of prevention of inappropriate broadcasting.
@snoglydox "Explain how the FCC ruined radio and television."
Oh I get it now you're one of those Hillary Clinton Femocrats that want to outlaw porn, heavy metal, and violent video games so we can live in a Nanny State. How has the FCC ruined radio and Television? You haft to ask? I can explain it in one word CENSORSHIP. Ask Howard Stern or anybody in Talk Radio what they think of the FCC. I thought this shit was common knowledge? How old are you like 12? You fucking Moron.
@DanielDamascusKimery And those same people, as yourself, people do not have children. I have dated a stripper, I enjoy and own many heavy metal albums, and have enjoyed and own a couple video games that are violent. You do not see anything wrong in a six year old watching porn; I can clearly see the effects of such things at a young age in your delinquent, language and attitude.
@DanielDamascusKimery The bill you are really referring to is the "Kill Switch Bill." Notice the different words used: "Net Neutrality Bill," "Kill Switch Bill. They even sound different: "Net Neutrality Bill," "Kill Switch Bill."
You already made yourself look like a dumb-ass by your initial comment about a video that was created way before the topic of a kill switch, and your response to me suggests you are a delinquent; I suggest you lay low for awhile, because you will not win.
@snoglydox You're right you can't win arguing with an idiot. Because they won't acknowledge when they are wrong. People call The Net Neutrality Bill The Kill Switch Bill because it includes a Kill Switch in it you fucking Moron. Net Neutrality is nothing short of a Government takeover of the internet. Why else would they put The FCC in charge of it and give Obama an Internet Kill Switch? Incase of Civil unrest like they did in Egypt when they shut the internet off there. I won. You lost Buh Bye.
@DanielDamascusKimery “Cybersecurity and Internet Freedom Act of 2011” is not a Net Neutrality bill dumb-ass; it is an entirely different bill that refers to attacks to internet critical infrastructure components, and establishes a new office (not the FCC,) the Office of Cyberspace Policy. There is no component of net Neutrality, and only you would think so, because you only see what you want to believe…recall your first comment.
@DanielDamascusKimery Your point has been that a NN bill has been written up with the FCC in control over a internet shut off, with the president having a push button. Not only has the FCC have no part in it, it is not a NN bill, and does not even have any slight reference to NN; you are bringing a battle from a different war made up of different people. You are a Libertarian, aren't you?
@snoglydox Yeah any Idiot that views my Channel could tell you that I am a Libertarian. So what is your argument against Liberty you Obama worshiping cock suck? Stop living off of the Government and get a fucking Job.
@DanielDamascusKimery I did not look at your channel; I can see it in the way you are, because libertarians seem to follow the same cult-like routine. On the other hand, you are way off on ALL your assumptions about me.
@snoglydox "On the other hand, you are way off on ALL your assumptions about me."
Some how I doubt that. I'm still waiting on you to come up with an intelligent argument against The Libertarian Party. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
@DanielDamascusKimery Can not argue your ignorance; my life will not improve by proving anything about me to you.
The answer to you question is you…and those like you; your words speak for themselves, and all one has to do is read this forum, without one having to even know what was written in the removed comments.
@DanielDamascusKimery no it does not. net neutrality is a bill against BOTH GOVERMENT AND COMPANY CONTROL. you see there? it is naive you to think that companys whuld not be like the goverment and try to control the content of the internet. espeasialy in amercan where those two are best bed buddies.
@TheCoalescent This video was made five years ago. It wasn't signed into law until Obama became President. Stop believing the MSM propaganda Flouride Head.
Same old same old we get shafted and they profit from it. They want to lock down the internet with copyright laws so you can be spoon fed content, they make the most money possible and we get a cable service instead of internet.
shit that realy gets to me atm is 'this vidio is not avalable in your contry' 'They then will moan about pirates while blocking people form content that has been broadcast in the country they are blocking I’m looking at you channel 4.
The ISPs will give regulation, so we need to bring regulation to stop internet regulation. Doesn't make any sense.
Also, did you ever notice how at almost every single time, the government has never ever meddled with the internet before? With the companies lobbying the government, the government will then place regulation on it. The problem then would be the government having that power. The companies are at fault too, but the government makes the final say.
@AnarchisThinker 100% agree if the government regulates that will only exacerbate the problem as then we the customers will have to not only have to fight the agendas of the companies but also the governments. We jut have to make sure there is always a choice (that extends beyond trivialities) in providers and don’t allow any of them to obtain a monopoly.
@AnarchisThinker Also where would the government obtain the authority to regulate the internet? If America is truly a free society all government power is derived an extension of the individual’s rights.
...Why can't I access Save The Internet ?- Just a note on what's really happening -the internet was to be regulated by FCC which was protecting net neutrality - house members just voted last week (after the tsunami - really disgusting) to re-class it so that it is no longer regulated by the FCC and the Telecom co's can do what they want if this passes the senate. We still have time to act see below!!!
PETITION TO DISBAND COMCAST -IT"S THE PEOPLE"S RIGHT -TAKE THE BROADBAND FOR EMMINENT DOMAIN OF THE PEOPLE-WE HAVE THAT POWER AS WELL - ESPECIALLY IF CO'S CAN NOW TAKE OUT HOMES TO BUILD MALLS BY EMMINENT DOMAIN PER THE SUPREME COURT!!!
PETITION TO DISBAND COMCAST -IT"S THE PEOPLE"S RIGHT -TAKE THE BROADBAND FOR EMMINENT DOMAIN OF THE PEOPLE-WE HAVE THAT POWER AS WELL - ESPECIALLY IF CO'S CAN NOW TAKE OUT HOMES TO BUILD MALLS BY EMMINENT DOMAIN PER THE SUPREME COURT!!!
PETITION TO DISBAND COMCAST -IT"S THE PEOPLE"S RIGHT -TAKE THE BROADBAND FOR EMMINENT DOMAIN OF THE PEOPLE-WE HAVE THAT POWER AS WELL - ESPECIALLY IF CO'S CAN NOW TAKE OUT HOMES TO BUILD MALLS BY EMMINENT DOMAIN PER THE SUPREME COURT!!!
PETITION TO DISBAND COMCAST -IT"S THE PEOPLE"S RIGHT -TAKE THE BROADBAND FOR EMMINENT DOMAIN OF THE PEOPLE-WE HAVE THAT POWER AS WELL - ESPECIALLY IF CO'S CAN NOW TAKE OUT HOMES TO BUILD MALLS BY EMMINENT DOMAIN PER THE SUPREME COURT!!!
PETITION TO DISBAND COMCAST -IT"S THE PEOPLE"S RIGHT -TAKE THE BROADBAND FOR EMMINENT DOMAIN OF THE PEOPLE-WE HAVE THAT POWER AS WELL - ESPECIALLY IF COS CAN NOW TAKE OUT HOMES TO BUILD MALLS BY EMMINENT DOMAIN PER THE SUPREME COURT!!!
Does anyone who supports "Net Neutrality" really know what it will do? Well, research show it will wipe out all free access to the Internet, and place control of WHO can, and cannot have Internet use, as it supports Nobama having complete control of OUR personal use!
Hype and misleading titles still confuse gullible citizens, and this "Net Neutrality" hocus-pocus is as deceptive as it gets.
i'm sick of people giving the free market argument to defend taking away net neutrality. The net neutrality of the internet is the best example of a free market.
When Big Businesses start making rules up for the little guy, is that a transference from Capitalism to Fascism? I mean I'm all for a business flexing it's muscle to sell itself, but when it gets to the point where selling becomes commanding, a truly ethical Corporation needs to step back and look at itself, and say "Hey. We're no longer offering a service, but we're governing. At that point, you had better have higher values than just money and power.
Yeah so in the End we'd only get to see Big Business Propaganda shoved down our throats 24/7 just like the "Good Ol' Days" of the Cable T.V. machine. No originality wanted, no free flow of ideas on level ground. What a fucking SetBack. :( This would literally putting a damper on Evolution. I believe the best Ideas would always rise to the top based on Truth and Necessity anyway, so don't throw the babies (Good ideas, creativity from different sources) out with the bathwater (Bad ideas).
Yeah so in the End we'd only get to see Big Business Propaganda shoved down our throats 24/7 just like the "Good Ol' Days" of cable T.V. No originality allowed, no free flow of ideas on level ground. What a fucking SetBack. :(
Well, before seeing some of these videos I hadn't thought about the issue that way but now that I have... this isn't just about paying more for internet usage, this is about preventing people without a lot of money from taking full advantage of the internet. It's just a new way to try and skewer net neutrality.
Thank lord Steven Harper got so spooked by the negativity he's going to kill it... though I don't think he knows what freedoms he's saving, I think if he knew he'd insist it stayed...
Obama’s “FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn Free Internet a Civil Right for Every Nappy-Headed Child” watch?v=JWETGCggzcE She also voted for Net Neutrality,which could ultimately censor the internet impeding our first amendment rights of Freedom of Speech. watch?v=lGplqSh8fYU
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Her dad is James Clyburn, former house majority WHIP. She’s probably aware our unfunded liabilities are $115 Trillion per debt clock.
if this actually went into affect the companies would be bashed and riots people basically hacking there companies so basically it would only last basically a motnh or two
thats why me asnd my family use basically state run internet which goes as fast as the fastest service provider.and we just tell the state if you do this your fuccked
And BTW why are we talking about this is waaay off topic fuck the MPAA and RIAA,if those assholes manage to pull of this bandwidth shit,the MPAA and RIAA would be our last concern,small bandwidth=takes years to download
None of these things you list are a problem. 'ISP's should give priority over...' blah blah blah. You dont have any clue how the internet works. Stop parroting the Glenn Beck talking points and learn a thing or two.
The NN law is not designed so that the government manages the web. It prevents ISP's or anyone else for that matter of tacking on any kinds of made up fees.
@ThunderAppeal - The first paragraph is nothing but ad hominem, proof that there the case for NN has little ground to stand on.
"The NN law is not designed so that the government manages the web. It prevents ISP's or anyone else for that matter of tacking on any kinds of made up fees."
First you say it is not intended for the government to manage the web, then you mention what it would allow government to do to manage it in the first place. Aside from that contradiction, "what made up fees?"
@HexTest No. Youre right. Zealots like you makes a part of me want to see what happens if the Net Neutrality law is repealed. When the only place you will be able to afford to surf the internet is in your office. Or when you are forced to buy in to a 'group plan' to get an affordable rate for internet access which still limits your internet access.
@HexTest Zealots like you makes me want to see what happens when you put too much faith in corporations. If I knew it wouldnt affect me so adversely. Much like I want to see what happens when the leftists come up against government beauracracy when their health care law blows up in their face. Both of you extremists are bad for the individual freedoms of Americans.
@HexTest The same kind of made up fees that banks charge nowadays if you want to withdraw from an ATM that is not in your bank. It costs nothing for banks to transfer money to cover the cost of a transaction from one ATM to another. But the banks have found a profit center and a reason to charge an outrageous amount of money to 'cover their loss.' Keep it up genius.
I love your bank example; another good example is the recent BP/gulf crises, because if government didn’t have such faith in the oil companies to do the right thing, we would not be left with all the damage created. Extremists are incapable of understanding all sides.
@snoglydox The problem with government in the BP/oil spill is its initial sheer lack of response. Then when it finally did get its ass in gear it did nothing but meddle and wallow in bearacracy.
@ThunderAppeal OK...you want to argue; BP and affiliates were cutting corners to increase profits, and the Government was trusting them to govern themselves. It shouldn’t have happened to begin with, and living by a nuclear power plant, I thank the heavens that is regulated by Government…who, unlike corporation executives, is not concerned about hording money.
@HexTest Let me guess, you also run windows and you have no idea how that funny black box that gives you access to the internet works nor do you care. As long as you can fire up a website you arent worried.
@ThunderAppeal - I run Red Hat right now - not that it matters. And I know enough about both government and the internet to know that the two don't mix without undesirable results.
The only reason I commented on this video that you leftist assholes made is because of how many views this has gotten. Otherwise this is a really piss poor explanation of the threat that exists against our freedoms of being able to access information quickly. You leftists make me sick just as much as the zealots who believe that absolutely no government regulation is necessary. This fucking video is a tragedy.
What a horrible fucking presentation. Why do you have to have what clearly appears to be a black kid to demonstrate who the 'poor loser' is if there is no net neautrality. I'm for net neutrality but you people really stink this fucking thing up with your childish presentation.
It is clear that the intention of BT is to reshape the internet as an extension to traditional broadcasting. BT are aiming to privatise the internet for the commercial benefit of BT and selected 'Content Providers'. Ordinary citizens will be placed in the slow lane of a two-tiered internet and will find it increasingly difficult to broadcast their own video material. The Internet was built on the principles on net-neutrality where all content is treated equally. BT want to put an end to this.
This is so retarded. Because an imaginary problem THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED MIGHT happen we are supposed to let the Federal Government control the internet?? On what planet is that ever a good idea? Hmmm what other governments put controls on their internet?? Oh yeah..China. How's that working out for the Chinese people?
If ANY ISP restricted access to a web site what would you do? Oh that's right you would SWITCH ISPs!! Soon AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc would be out of the ISP business.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Yeah, its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and sadly not nearly as simple as the idiots who made this video made it out to be. The fact is that even if you switch ISP's in your scenario the access still goes through some of their networks. If that 'access' fee hasnt been paid by someone access will be restricted. You can be prepared for those little 'extra fees' to show up on your bill that you didnt expect if net neutrality is repealed.
@ThunderAppeal If I go to a site that has an access fee how different is that then going to a web site that has a subscription service to access the entire site?
But the point that is being missed is that NO ONE is being denied access to any web site by any of those providers. It's a straw argument intended give the gov't power to regulate the internet. What do we do when the gov't starts limiting web access?
@HoldingOnToLiberty No, you clearly do not understand how the internet works. The packets you receive can take any random network to get to you, that is the reason for its ability to be reliable. You think the data stream that you receive has a set path from the start, nothing can be further from the truth. You are under an illusion thinking that a website will somehow automatically know which path your request will take and therefore charge you based on that.
@ThunderAppeal You're not talking to a moron here. I know how the internet works. But what the Net Neutrality advocates are saying is not at the packet level. They are saying that if I have an account from Comcast that Comcast will block access to their competitor. That is ridiculous.
What you are saying is that they will charge an access fee to those who have packet routed through those networks. That threat has been around for years but no one, no my knowledge has ever done it.
@HoldingOnToLiberty 'That is ridiculous' Really? Why do you think that is ridiculous? What is preventing one ISP from limiting or choking access of packets coming from a different network? You put too much faith in corporations.
'That threat has been around for years.' So what? The threat of alqueda has been around for years before 9/11. The nazi threat was around for years before 1939. The commies were around for years before 1919.
@ThunderAppeal You amaze me. I read one of your other comments condemning liberals and yet you have bought into that same Marxist mentality that says all corporations are evil and their only purpose is to enslave the consumer.
I will ALWAYS trust the free market over governments any day.
@HoldingOnToLiberty What amazes me is how zealots like you think only in extremes. In the minds of zealots like you either the government is evil or corporations are, there is no balance. Zealots like you only know talking points handed down to you by your media masters.
What you are is a corporatist, you dont believe in small business you only know what big business feeds you.
@ThunderAppeal I understand the free market and how, IF LEFT ALONE, it works. Corporations that don't give their customers what they want will fail as they should.
The problem is we live in a Corporatist/Socialist society. This is the fault of the Progressives in both parties.
If you are a conservative then you need to understand economics so that you can see what is going on. Study Adam Smith, Von Mises, Hayek, Friedman and Sowell. This is not zealotry, this is common sense.
@HoldingOnToLiberty The threat is real, the phone companies have already threatened companies like google, yahoo, microsoft and youtube for that matter that based on the traffic originating from those aformentioned companies the phone companies will 'be forced to start charging them an access fee.' If anyone the phone companies want to hijack the internet from the average user. The net neutrality bill says that the phone companies cant 'discriminate' based on where the data originates.
@ThunderAppeal So what you are saying is that you want the Federal Government to act through an unelected body who currently has no responsibility for the internet (the FCC) to make laws based on a THREAT that has never come to fruition??? This "threat" has been around for over a decade and has NEVER happened.
@HoldingOnToLiberty My guess goes something like this. Yu run windows because you think you dont need anything else. You dont even know the boot up process on your own computer. You dont know how the machine sitting in your own home works. You have been scared by microsoft into believeing that you cannot install an operating system that did not come with your machine. Despite what you might thing you do not own your own machine.
@ThunderAppeal Your guess is wrong. I run Windows because that is how I earn a living. I am a software developer with nearly 30 years experience in the industry. I started with CP/M, then MSDOS and then Windows. But the time I was making money developing apps in Windows, Linux came out. Neither I nor any of my employers ever used Linux so there was no need to learn it. I know it is more stable and much leaner than Windows but I do this for a living, not for geekery.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Until you can overcome the hurdle of installing a genuine operating system that does not lock you in to a system of perpetual software upgrades and the paralyzing fear of having a 'virus' on your computer. You cannot intelligently argue that the threat of ISP's controlling your internet access does not exist.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Furthermore, with the attidtude of 'I dont want a government body that was not elected to do anything for me or against me.' We would not have an internet to speak of. The underlying concepts that you use so transparently were invented by the United States Federal government, with tax payers dollars I will admit. But it was not done with the public knowledge or consulting with the public or 'taking a vote'.
@ThunderAppeal I fear the threat of loss of freedom based on past and present experience from the government. That is a threat that has a far greater chance of happening than from the telecoms and ISP's. The government has a long history of trampling on the Constitution and our rights.
They have been looking all over for ways to tax interstate and international e-commerce. They already have the Patriot Act, don't give them any more access to the net.
Wow this is an even bigger load of crap than that video about how bad fats are for you..what a joke. Government has had their gruby little hands all over the internet for years just look up the lawsuits. Service providers have been able to interfere with so called "pipes" for years look at verizon reporting people who download movies from torrent sites. I am not sure if the people on that site are misinformed or are really that ignorant.
that alarm sound at the beginning made me shit cause i thought i was at challanger learning center and i cause the station in a micro meteor shower xD
The free market is what regulates the internet providers because the free market is you the people not the FCC! If you don't like that Internet Service provider you choose not to do business with them. It is democracy in its purest form. The big corporations are the ones who love regulation because it eliminates competition. NET NEUTRALITY IS BULLSHIT!!!
@conanthebarbarian333 'Net neutrality is bullshit' Yeah, if the net neutrality bill is repealed be prepared for those little 'extra' fees to start popping up on your internet access bill. It doesnt matter if you change ISPs because the traffic still has to go through various networks which could be companies who want to charge an access fee on their end/. For fucks sake do some fucking learning on how the internet WORKS!!
The motives of a corporation is to gain money. The motives of a politician is to gain power.
If a company screws me over by regulating my internet connection I can simple cancel my service and stop payment to that company.
If a politician gains power over me there is nothing I am able to do but comply or go to jail.
People!!! Wake up and realize that you have the power over corporations because you have control of your money. You do not have any power over the government.
@karozans Internet traffic has to go through these same ISPs regardless of who your carrier is. This video is idiotic unfortunately and completely dumbs down the facts. You can switch your ISps all day long, but what about when youre locked into a 1 or 2 year contract and when you want to break out of that contract the next ISP does not want to give you access because you havent full filled your contract with the last ISP? It has happened.
@ThunderAppeal Easy simply don't sign the contract in the first place.
That is why we have contracts. If I sign 2 year contract with a company they are bound by it too. If you sign a contract and the ISP does something outside the bounds of the contract you can sue them. If there is a clause in the contract that says the ISP can filter your traffic don't sign it.
ISP's also have contracts between each other for data delivery. If one ISP filters another ISP's traffic then they can sue.
@ThunderAppeal I never said that there is an ISP that will give you service without a contract. I said don't sign the contract if you don't like the terms.
Do you understand what that means??? It means that if you don't like any of the terms of service from all of the ISP's, then you will have no internet.
I suppose that you think that internet connections now are a "right".
@karozans I doubt you've even read the user agreement contract that you have with whichever ISP you have now. So I really doubt you or anyone else is going to bother to read any contracts in the future. If we all read the contracts which we sign our lives away to nothing would get done because we would all be too caught up in how much our liberties have already been trounced upon by companies that have no control over them.
@karozans By virtue of the fact that you run windows on any machine you have at home you have already signed your privacy away you dipshit. On any given day when you click 'ok' in agreement to some terms which I really doubt you've read you have already done so. You have an account on youtube, your privacy has already been compromised. Discussing anything with you is tedious, but you can continue to parrot the talking points if it makes you feel better.
@ThunderAppeal Ha, you are silly. I don't know about you but I don't put my SS number and my bank accounts and personal information on youtube. So if you would like to find out any sexy information about me please feel free to take a gander. Same thing goes to the people that run youtube.
As for Windows... Lets put it this way. There are clever ways to get around software license agreements. I thought you would have figured that out by now.
@karozans 'There are clever ways to get around software license agreements.'
Youre a moron and a perfect example of what is wrong with the IT industry today and why America is lagging so painfully far behind in terms of functional technology. You should be reported to the authorities for breaking the law. Now I understand why youre so afraid of 'government control' of the internet. Because you know you will get caught for running pirated software.
@ThunderAppeal Actually individuals that run pirated software get a slap on the wrist, unless they are busted for selling the pirated software on a mass scale. So I am not really to worried. Thanks for your concern though.
@ThunderAppeal Hey just because you have a limited mind doesn't mean everyone else does to. I love to chop, break, build, and use lots of stuff. I don't put limits on my knowledge like you. If my friend is having trouble with CD burning software and I don't know what the problem is. I go home and try to see how to fix it. You should try expanding your mind sometime.
@ThunderAppeal Last time I checked corporations couldn't send you to jail or stick a gun in your face and make you give them your money. Every day you freely open your wallet and give corporations your money. In exchange they provide you with a service that you both agree to.
Also last time I checked the US government CAN take you to jail and CAN stick a gun in your face and force you to pay them money weather you want to or not.
So it sounds like you are the one giving away your freedom.
@karozans You must have been asleep for the last 10 years when the RIAA and the MPAA was hunting people down and making them pay for usage fees without due process with the blessing of the federal government.
@ThunderAppeal Correction. Hunting down regular people like grandma and grandpa who are out in the open. I am very sly. I am beginning to think that you really don't know much about networking do you?
@karozans No I dont believe the internet is a right, but since youre being such a stupid little smart ass maybe if you spent your energy learning how the internet actually works and stopped playing video games you would be more informed on the issue at hand. But instead you chose to parrot the talking points that Glenn Beck hands down to you. Not unlike the leftists idiots two years ago who parroted the talking points handed to them via msnbc.
@ThunderAppeal Well I worked at Microsoft for 3 years and have a B.S. in Computer Engineering and I work for IBM now. So I think I have a pretty good understanding of networks.
I don't have cable so I have never seen a single episode of Glenn Beck.
@ThunderAppeal Here is something that you cannot seem to understand about the free market.
If enough customers leave a company, then that company will give you exactly what you want for a price that they can do it for. But I guess it is like American Idol. You cannot live with out your internet connection or American Idol for longer than about 2 days.
@karozans Junior, dont teach me about free market' when you are so willing to sell your own freedoms off to 'contracts' that you imagine corporations have between one another. I wont go into your sheer blind ignorance of the technology that runs the internet, youre a windows user you've already sold your freedoms away. You call yourself a 'libertarian' but at the same time you believe in 'corporate contracts'. You are what many would call a hypocrite.
@ThunderAppeal - If comcast made it harder for me to access google, I would switch providers. If the government starts discriminating unfairly with data use, how can I opt out?
@HexTest 'If the government starts discriminating' youre parroting Glenn Beck talking points, just like the liberal idiots parroted msnbc talking points 2 years ago.
@HexTest Youre not stating anything. The threat is already here, the phone companies have already threatened as much. Prove me wrong and demonstrate how great things are when giant out of control corporations who take control of every aspect of your life is a good thing? What happens when they go bankrupt?
@ThunderAppeal And clearly you don't know anything about what a Libertarian is. If you would like to know go to Hulu and watch all of the 50 videos of John Stossel. You will see that contracts and rule of law is one of the foundations of Libertarians.
PS. I use Windows, SUSE, Fedora, AIX, Mac osX, and embedded OS's. Which ones do you you grandpa?
@karozans Did you happen to read the first part of my reply though? It sounds like you completely missed what I said. The internet traffic still has to go through some of these ISP's regardless of who your carrier is. You are painfully uninformed about how the internet functions from a technical standpoint.
@ThunderAppeal Nope read every part. I think it is you that missed what I said. Let me help you again.
I said...
"ISP's also have contracts between each other for data delivery. If one ISP filters another ISP's traffic then they can sue."
Do you know what this means???? It means that if an ISP is going to use another ISP's network for data delivery then those ISP's have contracts. If your ISP didn't inform you of this in your contract between you and your ISP then you can sue.
@karozans Oh. Wow!! ISP's have contracts between one another?! Oh man! Wow. Yeah, I trust corporations as much as I trust the government.
Putting your trust in corporate contracts to be able to give you the ability to access information freely is like putting your trust in the soviet union to provide you with safety from tyranny. Youre surrendering one set of rights for another. Sorry I dont trust corporations like you do.
@karozans Your self involvment and pride that you wallow would be funny if it werent so tragic. Beause here you are a user of software that runs on technology created by DARPA once an arm of the Pentagon. A government entity that never 'asks' Americans what we want or any other touchy feely bullshit. But instead got the funding to create the technology. And here you are whining and bitching and moaning about 'government meddling'. You clearly have no idea of the political implications.
that is solved today.
mackyclemen 1 week ago
The only problem yesterday is about SOPA and PIPA
mackyclemen 1 week ago
Join the fight everyone!!!!!!
Kleekai95 1 week ago
as i stopped watching tv, if this happens i will stop using internet also. if they dont let us do what we want on the net, then why should i feed them.
skoaile 3 weeks ago
@mofubbles not over yet, there is still the SOPA bill
fsxaircanada01 1 month ago
@fsxaircanada01 it gets better there's a failsafe if SOPA doesn't pass.
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
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Mofubbles 2 months ago
It would be nice is the effort to create this video, supports of free internet, ect. would put this much effort into demanding that the government do something about the whole global warming issue.
knightofdreamz 3 months ago
@knightofdreamz Global warming is a fraud, you know. Sure, the weather patterns are changing, but it is nothing to do with us.
PhilLovesThrash 3 months ago
@PhilLovesThrash
Well, weather patters and climate are two entirely different things. But whatever, even if you do not buy into the man made manufactured warming, its still evident that it is occurring, so why not put the effort into attempting to do something about it? Why spend so much effort on something that may not end up mattering in 30-50 years.
knightofdreamz 3 months ago
@knightofdreamz All we can do is prepare for the results of climate change, we cannot stop it...
PhilLovesThrash 3 months ago
@PhilLovesThrash
Exactly.
So if we know it is coming (man-made or not) then why not prepare or attempt to create more livable events? Why waste our time on issues like this (and abortion, gay marriage, ect. you know, things that are not actual issues when it comes to us as human beings).
knightofdreamz 3 months ago
@knightofdreamz 1) It is not man made. Humans have not been on this Earth long enough to determine whether their impact is of any significance.
2) You can't stop Earth from doing what it has always done. This included climate change just as you cannot stop an earthquake from occuring or volcano from erupting.
3) I'm all for being more environmentally friendly, but you should not force it upon anyone because going green costs people and business more money and has problems of its own.
ilazernerd 2 months ago
@ilazernerd ... The future costs of not doing anything will be far greater, but hey, as long as we save money in the short term...
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@emantabrizi Unless you have seen into the future, there is no way for you to know that.
ilazernerd 2 months ago
Now we have Anonymous. You try to hurt the Internet, and Anonymous will be there.
iSh4tterU 5 months ago
So is the goal to end competition between ISPs or to encourage it?
I see competition in Capitalism as a good thing, but I'm a bit naive when it comes to...everything.
HeyRuka 7 months ago
@HeyRuka I only have one choice when it comes to broadband...ONE!!! I could get dial-up but i dont consider dial-up as competition so there is no Capitalism as far as broadband is concerned they have control of this area so im screwed if they kill net neutrality
dissturbbed 7 months ago
@HeyRuka the goal is that ISPs whuld not control the lives of the users. its only fair that they give every site the same speed.
gethsoftware 5 months ago
Net neutrality is a principle which advocates no restrictions by Internet service providers or governments on consumers' access to networks that participate in the internet. Specifically, network neutrality would prevent restrictions on content, sites, platforms, the kinds of equipment that may be attached, or the modes of communication.
Just because some of the U.S. government support net neutrality, it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Politics sometimes do good things to distract people.
snapy666 8 months ago
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jimmybobw 8 months ago
@jimmybobw Without a neutral net though ALL ISPs would limit services and attach heavy costs to better access... it would be a case of choosing the lesser of two evils rather than the one that doesn't charge you. I'm not saying this to you directly, but in general there appears to be a lot of naivety on the part of the anti-neutrality argument with people saying that ISPs won't all charge and it will allow for hospitals and doctors to get faster net etc when really they'd milk the average user.
mattjeffrey 8 months ago
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jimmybobw 8 months ago
@jimmybobw "No ISP has done any of this to date?" Comcast is not a ISP? They started the battle?
snoglydox 8 months ago
Name one instance where these "big companies" have wanted to set up a "fast lane." GO!
bryanthomas108 8 months ago
Whats the song that the guitar is playing near the end?
halokid7 8 months ago
@halokid7 whats the frequency kenneth by REM
Superbabiez 7 months ago
I called my local representative's office in Washington and they say that he voted against the net neutrality act H.J.RES.37 what does this mean?
Pwnzistor 8 months ago
@Pwnzistor It means your local representative is an idiot; H.J.RES.37 = Marriage in the United States shall consist only of a legal union of one man and one woman.
snoglydox 8 months ago
@snoglydox thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.J.RES.37 He's the idiot?
Pwnzistor 8 months ago
@Pwnzistor Your link leads to nothing but a title page, but I did error; I was looking at the wrong year. On the other hand, he is still an idiot; the problems that are appearing now, and started with Comcast, are the same the telecoms had before the middle eighties. The rulings that were created by the FCC, are what created the competition in telecoms today; a person needs to understand the technology and history to understand.
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WildaXanthe 8 months ago
Wow, I'm shocked that the Daily Show didn't give the strait story on this.. Ironically, those "evil companies" aren't changing anything. It is the government that wants to change the net. See, right now, the net is neutral, but the government and some corporations want to "regulate" the net (control) it, and ironically call the controlled internet "net neutrality." Just another example of the government using misleading names to push bills, like the "Patriot Act" that gutted our rights
FieldMarshalB 9 months ago
@FieldMarshalB Actually Comcast started doing some of their own regulation, and that is what started the concern. Comcast made the same error as AOL, and decided to have unlimited internet usage to sell their service, so people started to use it; well their network became bogged down, like AOL, so they decided to block certain type of usage, and made it look like people were have computer problems. Comcast and Level 3 is another NN issue, as port blocking is becoming common, also.
snoglydox 8 months ago
@FieldMarshalB Here here!
bryanthomas108 8 months ago
How does one pick out a Libertarian from a crowd in a burning building?
Easy...they are the ones pushing the women and children out of the way, trying to get out.
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mihajlo9 9 months ago
Why didn't they say anything about Obama's Internet Kill Switch in this video? You people are a bunch of fucking idiots if you think that The FCC controlling the internet the way it does television and radio is a good thing. You sheep will believe anything a liberal tells you. Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery "Uploaded by SaveTheInternet on Dec 18, 2006"
snoglydox 9 months ago 12
@DanielDamascusKimery You have no clue what Net neutrality is do you?
Fuctmentality 9 months ago
@Fuctmentality Obviously you don't know what Net Neutrality is if you missed the part where Internet 2 is being regulated by the FCC and gives Obama an Internet Kill Switch like they had in Egypt. Hey all you sheep thumbs upping this video look up "Internet Kill Switch".
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery & What does the kill switch have to do with net neutrality? & Yes someone clearly would have to regulate the internet to enforce net neutrality if it were to be reinstated.
Fuctmentality 9 months ago
@Fuctmentality "& What does the kill switch have to do with net neutrality?"
That's what I'm asking. Read the Bill Moron.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery There was no bill in '06, nor was there has there been any net neutrality bill that actually granted net neutrality.
Though seriously who did you think would regulate net neutrality?
Fuctmentality 9 months ago
@Fuctmentality The FCC. Read The Bill Moron.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Yeah, I got that. But Why the fuck are bitching about the fact that the FCC would regulate net neutrality as though it that wasn't part of the package. & What bill, retard? The kill switch predates the bullshit "net nonneutrality". Seriously what fucking bill.
Fuctmentality 9 months ago
@Fuctmentality The FCC are the Censorship Nazis that ruined radio and television and you think it's a good idea to have them take over the internet? No you fucking Moron the Internet Kill Switch is part of the Net Neutrality Bill. It does not predate it. Just google "Net neutrality Bill". I'm done now you're too stupid for me to talk to. Keep drinking The flouride ok Libtard.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery No, I wouldn't, but this isn't giving the FCC control of the net, it would just be giving them the authority to regulate ISPs, there is a huge fucking difference. & No it wasn't the kill switch predated the net nonneutrality bill. & You were done before you started, you are bitching about retarded unrelated shit.
Fuctmentality 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Show where a kill switch is part of the NN bill; I have a copy of it with me, and there is no mention of a kill switch. There has been talk about it, but it is a completely separate issue, and will likely not happen because of the technical complications...and will not do what it is intended for.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Explain how the FCC ruined radio and television. Think about the problems that would occur if every John, Dick, and Harry just send signals on any frequency they wanted; on the other hand, the argument of inappropriate broadcasting, that people can just change the channel, does not work for those of us who have children capable of not changing frequencies when the parents are away, which is the reason of prevention of inappropriate broadcasting.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@snoglydox "Explain how the FCC ruined radio and television."
Oh I get it now you're one of those Hillary Clinton Femocrats that want to outlaw porn, heavy metal, and violent video games so we can live in a Nanny State. How has the FCC ruined radio and Television? You haft to ask? I can explain it in one word CENSORSHIP. Ask Howard Stern or anybody in Talk Radio what they think of the FCC. I thought this shit was common knowledge? How old are you like 12? You fucking Moron.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery And those same people, as yourself, people do not have children. I have dated a stripper, I enjoy and own many heavy metal albums, and have enjoyed and own a couple video games that are violent. You do not see anything wrong in a six year old watching porn; I can clearly see the effects of such things at a young age in your delinquent, language and attitude.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery NN is providers…and Government…NOT interfering with data between computers over the internet; nothing more…nothing less.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@snoglydox Obviously you haven't read the Bill then. Try getting your information from something besides Obama's speeches ok cock sucker.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago 10
@DanielDamascusKimery The bill you are really referring to is the "Kill Switch Bill." Notice the different words used: "Net Neutrality Bill," "Kill Switch Bill. They even sound different: "Net Neutrality Bill," "Kill Switch Bill."
You already made yourself look like a dumb-ass by your initial comment about a video that was created way before the topic of a kill switch, and your response to me suggests you are a delinquent; I suggest you lay low for awhile, because you will not win.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@snoglydox You're right you can't win arguing with an idiot. Because they won't acknowledge when they are wrong. People call The Net Neutrality Bill The Kill Switch Bill because it includes a Kill Switch in it you fucking Moron. Net Neutrality is nothing short of a Government takeover of the internet. Why else would they put The FCC in charge of it and give Obama an Internet Kill Switch? Incase of Civil unrest like they did in Egypt when they shut the internet off there. I won. You lost Buh Bye.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery “Cybersecurity and Internet Freedom Act of 2011” is not a Net Neutrality bill dumb-ass; it is an entirely different bill that refers to attacks to internet critical infrastructure components, and establishes a new office (not the FCC,) the Office of Cyberspace Policy. There is no component of net Neutrality, and only you would think so, because you only see what you want to believe…recall your first comment.
112th Congress (2011-2012)
S.413.IS
snoglydox 9 months ago
@snoglydox Thank you for proving my point for me dumbass. It's all included in the same bill.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Your point has been that a NN bill has been written up with the FCC in control over a internet shut off, with the president having a push button. Not only has the FCC have no part in it, it is not a NN bill, and does not even have any slight reference to NN; you are bringing a battle from a different war made up of different people. You are a Libertarian, aren't you?
snoglydox 9 months ago
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DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@snoglydox Yeah any Idiot that views my Channel could tell you that I am a Libertarian. So what is your argument against Liberty you Obama worshiping cock suck? Stop living off of the Government and get a fucking Job.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery I did not look at your channel; I can see it in the way you are, because libertarians seem to follow the same cult-like routine. On the other hand, you are way off on ALL your assumptions about me.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@snoglydox "On the other hand, you are way off on ALL your assumptions about me."
Some how I doubt that. I'm still waiting on you to come up with an intelligent argument against The Libertarian Party. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Can not argue your ignorance; my life will not improve by proving anything about me to you.
The answer to you question is you…and those like you; your words speak for themselves, and all one has to do is read this forum, without one having to even know what was written in the removed comments.
snoglydox 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery no it does not. net neutrality is a bill against BOTH GOVERMENT AND COMPANY CONTROL. you see there? it is naive you to think that companys whuld not be like the goverment and try to control the content of the internet. espeasialy in amercan where those two are best bed buddies.
gooddarkjedi 8 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Perhaps because this was made five years ago, kid.
TheCoalescent 9 months ago
@TheCoalescent This video was made five years ago. It wasn't signed into law until Obama became President. Stop believing the MSM propaganda Flouride Head.
DanielDamascusKimery 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Wrong person dude.
TheCoalescent 9 months ago
@DanielDamascusKimery And who controls the FCC?
kezepema 8 months ago
this video get block by coorpring rights
KonZhighcl3ric 9 months ago
Same old same old we get shafted and they profit from it. They want to lock down the internet with copyright laws so you can be spoon fed content, they make the most money possible and we get a cable service instead of internet.
shit that realy gets to me atm is 'this vidio is not avalable in your contry' 'They then will moan about pirates while blocking people form content that has been broadcast in the country they are blocking I’m looking at you channel 4.
darkblood626 10 months ago
@darkblood626 Here is what it says:
The ISPs will give regulation, so we need to bring regulation to stop internet regulation. Doesn't make any sense.
Also, did you ever notice how at almost every single time, the government has never ever meddled with the internet before? With the companies lobbying the government, the government will then place regulation on it. The problem then would be the government having that power. The companies are at fault too, but the government makes the final say.
AnarchisThinker 9 months ago
@AnarchisThinker 100% agree if the government regulates that will only exacerbate the problem as then we the customers will have to not only have to fight the agendas of the companies but also the governments. We jut have to make sure there is always a choice (that extends beyond trivialities) in providers and don’t allow any of them to obtain a monopoly.
darkblood626 9 months ago
@AnarchisThinker Also where would the government obtain the authority to regulate the internet? If America is truly a free society all government power is derived an extension of the individual’s rights.
darkblood626 9 months ago
Watch a video that discusses the truth about NN
watch?v=hiq34HenlW0
hppyhckr 10 months ago
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elfraz9 10 months ago
Petition to DISBAND any company who threatens Net Neutrality !!!!! We the people have the right not to be censored!!!!!
elfraz9 10 months ago
...Why can't I access Save The Internet ?- Just a note on what's really happening -the internet was to be regulated by FCC which was protecting net neutrality - house members just voted last week (after the tsunami - really disgusting) to re-class it so that it is no longer regulated by the FCC and the Telecom co's can do what they want if this passes the senate. We still have time to act see below!!!
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elfraz9 10 months ago
its to late they already won. RIP free web! Good fight freedom of speech....
link000000 10 months ago
Does anyone who supports "Net Neutrality" really know what it will do? Well, research show it will wipe out all free access to the Internet, and place control of WHO can, and cannot have Internet use, as it supports Nobama having complete control of OUR personal use!
Hype and misleading titles still confuse gullible citizens, and this "Net Neutrality" hocus-pocus is as deceptive as it gets.
claudius2u 10 months ago
i'm sick of people giving the free market argument to defend taking away net neutrality. The net neutrality of the internet is the best example of a free market.
ljp7c4 10 months ago
When Big Businesses start making rules up for the little guy, is that a transference from Capitalism to Fascism? I mean I'm all for a business flexing it's muscle to sell itself, but when it gets to the point where selling becomes commanding, a truly ethical Corporation needs to step back and look at itself, and say "Hey. We're no longer offering a service, but we're governing. At that point, you had better have higher values than just money and power.
skytrooper1980 11 months ago
Yeah so in the End we'd only get to see Big Business Propaganda shoved down our throats 24/7 just like the "Good Ol' Days" of the Cable T.V. machine. No originality wanted, no free flow of ideas on level ground. What a fucking SetBack. :( This would literally putting a damper on Evolution. I believe the best Ideas would always rise to the top based on Truth and Necessity anyway, so don't throw the babies (Good ideas, creativity from different sources) out with the bathwater (Bad ideas).
skytrooper1980 11 months ago
Yeah so in the End we'd only get to see Big Business Propaganda shoved down our throats 24/7 just like the "Good Ol' Days" of cable T.V. No originality allowed, no free flow of ideas on level ground. What a fucking SetBack. :(
skytrooper1980 11 months ago
Well, before seeing some of these videos I hadn't thought about the issue that way but now that I have... this isn't just about paying more for internet usage, this is about preventing people without a lot of money from taking full advantage of the internet. It's just a new way to try and skewer net neutrality.
Thank lord Steven Harper got so spooked by the negativity he's going to kill it... though I don't think he knows what freedoms he's saving, I think if he knew he'd insist it stayed...
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jbohler33 1 year ago 2
Obama’s “FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn Free Internet a Civil Right for Every Nappy-Headed Child” watch?v=JWETGCggzcE She also voted for Net Neutrality,which could ultimately censor the internet impeding our first amendment rights of Freedom of Speech. watch?v=lGplqSh8fYU
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Her dad is James Clyburn, former house majority WHIP. She’s probably aware our unfunded liabilities are $115 Trillion per debt clock.
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nokhazali 1 year ago
if this actually went into affect the companies would be bashed and riots people basically hacking there companies so basically it would only last basically a motnh or two
TTheResponder100 1 year ago
thats why me asnd my family use basically state run internet which goes as fast as the fastest service provider.and we just tell the state if you do this your fuccked
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siththee 1 year ago
And BTW why are we talking about this is waaay off topic fuck the MPAA and RIAA,if those assholes manage to pull of this bandwidth shit,the MPAA and RIAA would be our last concern,small bandwidth=takes years to download
TheDailyChatter 1 year ago
Support net neutrality because:
1. You don't think bandwidth hogs should pay for their excessive use of service.
2. You don't think ISPs should give a hospital sending an MRI priority over some idiot downloading porn.
3. You don't want the ability to switch to a new ISP in order to get fairer service.
4. You want the same "neutral" internet as China or Pakistan.
5. You think the government (which can't keep a budget together, or follow it's own rules) can manage the web without risk.
HexTest 1 year ago
@HexTest
None of these things you list are a problem. 'ISP's should give priority over...' blah blah blah. You dont have any clue how the internet works. Stop parroting the Glenn Beck talking points and learn a thing or two.
The NN law is not designed so that the government manages the web. It prevents ISP's or anyone else for that matter of tacking on any kinds of made up fees.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal - The first paragraph is nothing but ad hominem, proof that there the case for NN has little ground to stand on.
"The NN law is not designed so that the government manages the web. It prevents ISP's or anyone else for that matter of tacking on any kinds of made up fees."
First you say it is not intended for the government to manage the web, then you mention what it would allow government to do to manage it in the first place. Aside from that contradiction, "what made up fees?"
HexTest 1 year ago
@HexTest No. Youre right. Zealots like you makes a part of me want to see what happens if the Net Neutrality law is repealed. When the only place you will be able to afford to surf the internet is in your office. Or when you are forced to buy in to a 'group plan' to get an affordable rate for internet access which still limits your internet access.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@HexTest Zealots like you makes me want to see what happens when you put too much faith in corporations. If I knew it wouldnt affect me so adversely. Much like I want to see what happens when the leftists come up against government beauracracy when their health care law blows up in their face. Both of you extremists are bad for the individual freedoms of Americans.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@HexTest The same kind of made up fees that banks charge nowadays if you want to withdraw from an ATM that is not in your bank. It costs nothing for banks to transfer money to cover the cost of a transaction from one ATM to another. But the banks have found a profit center and a reason to charge an outrageous amount of money to 'cover their loss.' Keep it up genius.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal
I love your bank example; another good example is the recent BP/gulf crises, because if government didn’t have such faith in the oil companies to do the right thing, we would not be left with all the damage created. Extremists are incapable of understanding all sides.
snoglydox 1 year ago
@snoglydox The problem with government in the BP/oil spill is its initial sheer lack of response. Then when it finally did get its ass in gear it did nothing but meddle and wallow in bearacracy.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal OK...you want to argue; BP and affiliates were cutting corners to increase profits, and the Government was trusting them to govern themselves. It shouldn’t have happened to begin with, and living by a nuclear power plant, I thank the heavens that is regulated by Government…who, unlike corporation executives, is not concerned about hording money.
snoglydox 1 year ago
@HexTest Let me guess, you also run windows and you have no idea how that funny black box that gives you access to the internet works nor do you care. As long as you can fire up a website you arent worried.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal - I run Red Hat right now - not that it matters. And I know enough about both government and the internet to know that the two don't mix without undesirable results.
HexTest 1 year ago
The only reason I commented on this video that you leftist assholes made is because of how many views this has gotten. Otherwise this is a really piss poor explanation of the threat that exists against our freedoms of being able to access information quickly. You leftists make me sick just as much as the zealots who believe that absolutely no government regulation is necessary. This fucking video is a tragedy.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
What a horrible fucking presentation. Why do you have to have what clearly appears to be a black kid to demonstrate who the 'poor loser' is if there is no net neautrality. I'm for net neutrality but you people really stink this fucking thing up with your childish presentation.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
It is clear that the intention of BT is to reshape the internet as an extension to traditional broadcasting. BT are aiming to privatise the internet for the commercial benefit of BT and selected 'Content Providers'. Ordinary citizens will be placed in the slow lane of a two-tiered internet and will find it increasingly difficult to broadcast their own video material. The Internet was built on the principles on net-neutrality where all content is treated equally. BT want to put an end to this.
rogerdek 1 year ago
This is so retarded. Because an imaginary problem THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED MIGHT happen we are supposed to let the Federal Government control the internet?? On what planet is that ever a good idea? Hmmm what other governments put controls on their internet?? Oh yeah..China. How's that working out for the Chinese people?
If ANY ISP restricted access to a web site what would you do? Oh that's right you would SWITCH ISPs!! Soon AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc would be out of the ISP business.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Yeah, its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and sadly not nearly as simple as the idiots who made this video made it out to be. The fact is that even if you switch ISP's in your scenario the access still goes through some of their networks. If that 'access' fee hasnt been paid by someone access will be restricted. You can be prepared for those little 'extra fees' to show up on your bill that you didnt expect if net neutrality is repealed.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal If I go to a site that has an access fee how different is that then going to a web site that has a subscription service to access the entire site?
But the point that is being missed is that NO ONE is being denied access to any web site by any of those providers. It's a straw argument intended give the gov't power to regulate the internet. What do we do when the gov't starts limiting web access?
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty No, you clearly do not understand how the internet works. The packets you receive can take any random network to get to you, that is the reason for its ability to be reliable. You think the data stream that you receive has a set path from the start, nothing can be further from the truth. You are under an illusion thinking that a website will somehow automatically know which path your request will take and therefore charge you based on that.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal You're not talking to a moron here. I know how the internet works. But what the Net Neutrality advocates are saying is not at the packet level. They are saying that if I have an account from Comcast that Comcast will block access to their competitor. That is ridiculous.
What you are saying is that they will charge an access fee to those who have packet routed through those networks. That threat has been around for years but no one, no my knowledge has ever done it.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty 'That is ridiculous' Really? Why do you think that is ridiculous? What is preventing one ISP from limiting or choking access of packets coming from a different network? You put too much faith in corporations.
'That threat has been around for years.' So what? The threat of alqueda has been around for years before 9/11. The nazi threat was around for years before 1939. The commies were around for years before 1919.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal You amaze me. I read one of your other comments condemning liberals and yet you have bought into that same Marxist mentality that says all corporations are evil and their only purpose is to enslave the consumer.
I will ALWAYS trust the free market over governments any day.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty What amazes me is how zealots like you think only in extremes. In the minds of zealots like you either the government is evil or corporations are, there is no balance. Zealots like you only know talking points handed down to you by your media masters.
What you are is a corporatist, you dont believe in small business you only know what big business feeds you.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal I understand the free market and how, IF LEFT ALONE, it works. Corporations that don't give their customers what they want will fail as they should.
The problem is we live in a Corporatist/Socialist society. This is the fault of the Progressives in both parties.
If you are a conservative then you need to understand economics so that you can see what is going on. Study Adam Smith, Von Mises, Hayek, Friedman and Sowell. This is not zealotry, this is common sense.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty The threat is real, the phone companies have already threatened companies like google, yahoo, microsoft and youtube for that matter that based on the traffic originating from those aformentioned companies the phone companies will 'be forced to start charging them an access fee.' If anyone the phone companies want to hijack the internet from the average user. The net neutrality bill says that the phone companies cant 'discriminate' based on where the data originates.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal So what you are saying is that you want the Federal Government to act through an unelected body who currently has no responsibility for the internet (the FCC) to make laws based on a THREAT that has never come to fruition??? This "threat" has been around for over a decade and has NEVER happened.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty My guess goes something like this. Yu run windows because you think you dont need anything else. You dont even know the boot up process on your own computer. You dont know how the machine sitting in your own home works. You have been scared by microsoft into believeing that you cannot install an operating system that did not come with your machine. Despite what you might thing you do not own your own machine.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Your guess is wrong. I run Windows because that is how I earn a living. I am a software developer with nearly 30 years experience in the industry. I started with CP/M, then MSDOS and then Windows. But the time I was making money developing apps in Windows, Linux came out. Neither I nor any of my employers ever used Linux so there was no need to learn it. I know it is more stable and much leaner than Windows but I do this for a living, not for geekery.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Until you can overcome the hurdle of installing a genuine operating system that does not lock you in to a system of perpetual software upgrades and the paralyzing fear of having a 'virus' on your computer. You cannot intelligently argue that the threat of ISP's controlling your internet access does not exist.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Furthermore, with the attidtude of 'I dont want a government body that was not elected to do anything for me or against me.' We would not have an internet to speak of. The underlying concepts that you use so transparently were invented by the United States Federal government, with tax payers dollars I will admit. But it was not done with the public knowledge or consulting with the public or 'taking a vote'.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Where has the government threatened to limit web access?
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal I fear the threat of loss of freedom based on past and present experience from the government. That is a threat that has a far greater chance of happening than from the telecoms and ISP's. The government has a long history of trampling on the Constitution and our rights.
They have been looking all over for ways to tax interstate and international e-commerce. They already have the Patriot Act, don't give them any more access to the net.
HoldingOnToLiberty 1 year ago
Wow this is an even bigger load of crap than that video about how bad fats are for you..what a joke. Government has had their gruby little hands all over the internet for years just look up the lawsuits. Service providers have been able to interfere with so called "pipes" for years look at verizon reporting people who download movies from torrent sites. I am not sure if the people on that site are misinformed or are really that ignorant.
typhoon535 1 year ago
save the internet!!!!
mizzloka420 1 year ago
that alarm sound at the beginning made me shit cause i thought i was at challanger learning center and i cause the station in a micro meteor shower xD
williamnakama 1 year ago
The free market is what regulates the internet providers because the free market is you the people not the FCC! If you don't like that Internet Service provider you choose not to do business with them. It is democracy in its purest form. The big corporations are the ones who love regulation because it eliminates competition. NET NEUTRALITY IS BULLSHIT!!!
conanthebarbarian333 1 year ago
@conanthebarbarian333 'Net neutrality is bullshit' Yeah, if the net neutrality bill is repealed be prepared for those little 'extra' fees to start popping up on your internet access bill. It doesnt matter if you change ISPs because the traffic still has to go through various networks which could be companies who want to charge an access fee on their end/. For fucks sake do some fucking learning on how the internet WORKS!!
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
The motives of a corporation is to gain money. The motives of a politician is to gain power.
If a company screws me over by regulating my internet connection I can simple cancel my service and stop payment to that company.
If a politician gains power over me there is nothing I am able to do but comply or go to jail.
People!!! Wake up and realize that you have the power over corporations because you have control of your money. You do not have any power over the government.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Internet traffic has to go through these same ISPs regardless of who your carrier is. This video is idiotic unfortunately and completely dumbs down the facts. You can switch your ISps all day long, but what about when youre locked into a 1 or 2 year contract and when you want to break out of that contract the next ISP does not want to give you access because you havent full filled your contract with the last ISP? It has happened.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Easy simply don't sign the contract in the first place.
That is why we have contracts. If I sign 2 year contract with a company they are bound by it too. If you sign a contract and the ISP does something outside the bounds of the contract you can sue them. If there is a clause in the contract that says the ISP can filter your traffic don't sign it.
ISP's also have contracts between each other for data delivery. If one ISP filters another ISP's traffic then they can sue.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Ok, go find an ISP that doesnt require you to sign a contract with them, then get back to me how that goes for you.
Thats up to you of course.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal I never said that there is an ISP that will give you service without a contract. I said don't sign the contract if you don't like the terms.
Do you understand what that means??? It means that if you don't like any of the terms of service from all of the ISP's, then you will have no internet.
I suppose that you think that internet connections now are a "right".
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans I doubt you've even read the user agreement contract that you have with whichever ISP you have now. So I really doubt you or anyone else is going to bother to read any contracts in the future. If we all read the contracts which we sign our lives away to nothing would get done because we would all be too caught up in how much our liberties have already been trounced upon by companies that have no control over them.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal If you don't read the contract then that is your problem. You seriously want to pass a law because you are to lazy to read.
"If we all read the contracts which we sign our lives away"
Here's a thought. Don't sign your life away. I know that is hard for you to understand, but if you think about it really hard you might get it.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans By virtue of the fact that you run windows on any machine you have at home you have already signed your privacy away you dipshit. On any given day when you click 'ok' in agreement to some terms which I really doubt you've read you have already done so. You have an account on youtube, your privacy has already been compromised. Discussing anything with you is tedious, but you can continue to parrot the talking points if it makes you feel better.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Ha, you are silly. I don't know about you but I don't put my SS number and my bank accounts and personal information on youtube. So if you would like to find out any sexy information about me please feel free to take a gander. Same thing goes to the people that run youtube.
As for Windows... Lets put it this way. There are clever ways to get around software license agreements. I thought you would have figured that out by now.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans 'There are clever ways to get around software license agreements.'
Youre a moron and a perfect example of what is wrong with the IT industry today and why America is lagging so painfully far behind in terms of functional technology. You should be reported to the authorities for breaking the law. Now I understand why youre so afraid of 'government control' of the internet. Because you know you will get caught for running pirated software.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Actually individuals that run pirated software get a slap on the wrist, unless they are busted for selling the pirated software on a mass scale. So I am not really to worried. Thanks for your concern though.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans And now I 'havent figured it out by now' because I dont run pirated software you moron.
I dont have to because I dont run windows so I'm not forced to break any laws like you are.
But you would rather sell your personal freedoms away to corporations. You cant even see past your own hypocrosy. I'm done with you.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Hey just because you have a limited mind doesn't mean everyone else does to. I love to chop, break, build, and use lots of stuff. I don't put limits on my knowledge like you. If my friend is having trouble with CD burning software and I don't know what the problem is. I go home and try to see how to fix it. You should try expanding your mind sometime.
karozans 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Last time I checked corporations couldn't send you to jail or stick a gun in your face and make you give them your money. Every day you freely open your wallet and give corporations your money. In exchange they provide you with a service that you both agree to.
Also last time I checked the US government CAN take you to jail and CAN stick a gun in your face and force you to pay them money weather you want to or not.
So it sounds like you are the one giving away your freedom.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans You must have been asleep for the last 10 years when the RIAA and the MPAA was hunting people down and making them pay for usage fees without due process with the blessing of the federal government.
Proving you wrong is tedious.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Correction. Hunting down regular people like grandma and grandpa who are out in the open. I am very sly. I am beginning to think that you really don't know much about networking do you?
karozans 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal And the only way that they did that is by paying off people in the fed.
karozans 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal That's BS,last time I checked you could only get v& if you download and then sell content,not just use it for yourself.
TheDailyChatter 1 year ago
@karozans No I dont believe the internet is a right, but since youre being such a stupid little smart ass maybe if you spent your energy learning how the internet actually works and stopped playing video games you would be more informed on the issue at hand. But instead you chose to parrot the talking points that Glenn Beck hands down to you. Not unlike the leftists idiots two years ago who parroted the talking points handed to them via msnbc.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Well I worked at Microsoft for 3 years and have a B.S. in Computer Engineering and I work for IBM now. So I think I have a pretty good understanding of networks.
I don't have cable so I have never seen a single episode of Glenn Beck.
karozans 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Here is something that you cannot seem to understand about the free market.
If enough customers leave a company, then that company will give you exactly what you want for a price that they can do it for. But I guess it is like American Idol. You cannot live with out your internet connection or American Idol for longer than about 2 days.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Junior, dont teach me about free market' when you are so willing to sell your own freedoms off to 'contracts' that you imagine corporations have between one another. I wont go into your sheer blind ignorance of the technology that runs the internet, youre a windows user you've already sold your freedoms away. You call yourself a 'libertarian' but at the same time you believe in 'corporate contracts'. You are what many would call a hypocrite.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal - If comcast made it harder for me to access google, I would switch providers. If the government starts discriminating unfairly with data use, how can I opt out?
HexTest 1 year ago
@HexTest 'If the government starts discriminating' youre parroting Glenn Beck talking points, just like the liberal idiots parroted msnbc talking points 2 years ago.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal - I'm not parroting anything, I'm stating the facts - respond to them and prove me wrong.
HexTest 1 year ago
@HexTest Youre not stating anything. The threat is already here, the phone companies have already threatened as much. Prove me wrong and demonstrate how great things are when giant out of control corporations who take control of every aspect of your life is a good thing? What happens when they go bankrupt?
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Here is how the free market works grandpa since you clearly don't know how it works.
1) You and I and companies enter into contracts.
2) When one or more parties don't abide to those contracts, then that's where government comes in.
3) Government then can punish the people that do not do what they said they would do as described in a contract.
4) If everyone obeys the contract, everyone should be happy.
5) If you signed a contract that you don't like, next time read it.
karozans 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal And clearly you don't know anything about what a Libertarian is. If you would like to know go to Hulu and watch all of the 50 videos of John Stossel. You will see that contracts and rule of law is one of the foundations of Libertarians.
PS. I use Windows, SUSE, Fedora, AIX, Mac osX, and embedded OS's. Which ones do you you grandpa?
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Did you happen to read the first part of my reply though? It sounds like you completely missed what I said. The internet traffic still has to go through some of these ISP's regardless of who your carrier is. You are painfully uninformed about how the internet functions from a technical standpoint.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Nope read every part. I think it is you that missed what I said. Let me help you again.
I said...
"ISP's also have contracts between each other for data delivery. If one ISP filters another ISP's traffic then they can sue."
Do you know what this means???? It means that if an ISP is going to use another ISP's network for data delivery then those ISP's have contracts. If your ISP didn't inform you of this in your contract between you and your ISP then you can sue.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Oh. Wow!! ISP's have contracts between one another?! Oh man! Wow. Yeah, I trust corporations as much as I trust the government.
Putting your trust in corporate contracts to be able to give you the ability to access information freely is like putting your trust in the soviet union to provide you with safety from tyranny. Youre surrendering one set of rights for another. Sorry I dont trust corporations like you do.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal So if you don't trust the government then why are you going to give the government power of the internet.
With the free market the people with the cash (customers) get to vote everyday who gets their cash (company).
Maybe you should go back to school and take ECON 101.
If you don't give a bad company your money then guess what happens. They go out of business.
If you give good companies your money then guess what happens. The get more money and offer you more things.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Your self involvment and pride that you wallow would be funny if it werent so tragic. Beause here you are a user of software that runs on technology created by DARPA once an arm of the Pentagon. A government entity that never 'asks' Americans what we want or any other touchy feely bullshit. But instead got the funding to create the technology. And here you are whining and bitching and moaning about 'government meddling'. You clearly have no idea of the political implications.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
@ThunderAppeal Still trying to convince me how smart you are I see. Boy you must be hung like a gerbil.
karozans 1 year ago