Hahaha fully carbon fiber fairing + seat? How is this supposed to be cheap?
Dorna is making a grave mistake that AMA motocross already made. 4-stroke racing is MUCH more expensive than 2-stroke. Why is moto2 so "cheap"? Because the ENGINE IS SEALED and NO CARBON FIBER IS ALLOWED.
Do the same with 2-stroke gp bikes (much like the Rotax kart series), and the 2-stroke machines will be faster and cheaper, guaranteed.
when MotoGP allowed 990cc 4 strokes to compete with the 500 2 strokes. Honda showed up with a 5 cylinder 990 which promptly won every race. The press, the teams, the manufacturers all hailed it as such an incredible, fantastic machine. 4 stroke was the future they said. All the while i'm thinking they needed more than DOUBLE the engine to finally beat the 500's! Needless to say the cost was astronomical, and now the entire MotoGP grids is only 17 riders. Honda is the reason for 4 strokes!
@2StrokeRacing2 It is not only Honda the reason for 4 strokes. It's the market since the vast majority of veicles on roads use that (superior)technology. I can still see 2 strokes' on chainsaws or cheap lawnmowers tho...
@2StrokeRacing2 Yea, and again, honda won with their 5 cylinder 990 cc only 'cos they managed to make Dorna to allow 5 cyl's the same WEIGHT LIMIT as to the 4 cyl's, which was a utter joke. Yamaha eventually managed to beat them with a 4 cylinder bike from 2004 onwards. Just goes to show what a shitfuck company honda is.
when MotoGP allowed 990cc 4 strokes to compete with the 500 2 strokes. Honda showed up with a 5 cylinder 990 which promptly won every race. The press, the teams, the manufacturers all hailed it as such an incredible, fantastic machine. 4 stroke was the future they said. All the while i'm thinking they needed more than DOUBLE the engine to finally beat the 500's! Needless to say the cost was astronomical, and now the entire MotoGP grids is only 17 riders.
Hahaha fully carbon fiber fairing + seat? How is this supposed to be cheap?
Dorna is making a grave mistake that AMA motocross already made. 4-stroke racing is MUCH more expensive than 2-stroke. Why is moto2 so "cheap"? Because the ENGINE IS SEALED and NO CARBON FIBER IS ALLOWED.
Do the same with 2-stroke gp bikes (much like the Rotax kart series), and the 2-stroke machines will be faster and cheaper, guaranteed.
i'd have 2 stroke in a heartbeat, WTF do they mean 4 stroke is cheaper?!?!?!?!?!
it costly to produce high revving 4 stroke, just valves & cams & heads are expensive, 2 stroke are much cheaper & produce more HP & deliver power faster in a more frantic manner.
I actually race in a super singles class (125cc 2stroke or 250cc 4 stroke), and the 4 strokes do well. If you take a 250cc mx motor and put it in a light, small chassis, it makes an awesome track bike. It's sad, but the 2stroke era is coming to an end, but it's silly to deny the fact that given enough development, a 4 stroke like this can easily wipe the 2stroke's ass. It's also a lot easier to ride with engine braking and a smoother power delivery.
@adesignrsa It's silly to deny the fact that given enough development, a 4 stroke like this can easily wipe the 2stroke's ass??? At twice the displacement maybe. Going 4 stroke is actually going backwards in technology. The 2 stroke is a much more efficient engine than the 4 stroke. Apply the same technology to both motors and match cubic centimeter to cubic centimeter the 2 stroke will always be nearly 2x as powerful.
@LordSamuelJ I'm afraid but you haven't got a clue of what an 'efficient' engine means. 4 strokes engines are more efficient than 2's, diesel even better, period
2 stroke 125cc will shit on that 4 stoke 250cc turd. My YZ 250 stock was keeping up and passing a YZF 450 with every aftermarket part installed. FUCK 4 stroke!!!
When I read and hear all those enthousiastic comments from the pro's and the officials..I was starting to think I am the only one who thinks this 250-4stroker marketing gig sucks.
But I am not the only one !!
Well mr. Honda and stupid officials...thanks for making a dumbass cuprace out of our GP worldchampionship.
And stop the lies ,please...just say you hate 2strokers.
"higly expensive 2stroke machines", when the 4 strokes are a lot much more expensive... CLOWNS! CLOWNS! CLOWS! 4 stroke: heavier, more expensive, slower... Where's the good side? :-)
@karolissickb0y emissions. all the crazy environmentalists don't want 2 strokes because they run very dirty. i don't see how a few 2 strokes racing makes a difference but thats what they want
Are you very sure about how much the real race 4strokes are clean? They too burn oil (in a different way, but they do), different temperatures also has their influence.
The "dirty 2stroke" is all junk, look at the E-Tec engines (direct injection 2 strokes with near no oil burn).
2 Strokes are too cheap, too good... ;-) That's not good for the big business plans ;-)
Looks like a very nice bike. But what has happened to GP racing? It's supposed to be prototype racing. Where are all the experimental bikes? I want no bars hold innovative race bikes like the old RC133 (six cylinder, 2-stroke, 250cc) and stuff like that.
@TotalNekro there trying to cut the cost factor at the moto gp level so less manufacterurs will back out of racing, there trying to do it at the top levels so the lower levels will have to follow suit, this aslo levels the playing field a bit so it's even more dependant on riding skills than what bike you ride, do i like it no to be honest but you never know it could make for even better races.
@watchtheworldburn0 But that is not what MOTOGP racing is! It's not some formula class. These new "based off" streetbikes class (moto2) are just marketing from Honda and the like.
@paladain55 250's are amazing especially disc valve equipped ones, perhaps in a way it's all relative to track size/length. sometimes I think we need new tracks, the bikes are rarely on full throttle now ( 4 stroke superbikes) Some of these tracks have been used so long now, perhaps some are inadequate for certain types or classes of racing? Debatable.
@binokoda true, i agree with you. i think they ought to try out some different types of bikes. i remember they isle of man tt bikes with 50cc 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine with like 12 speed transmissions that could hit 130mph. i think that would be really interesting, with a little bit tighter tracks. i think it would make racing more interesting because they would shift more often to keep it at full power, and make it more competitive
tail and front cover removed from RSW125 lol
davskok 1 month ago
Two stroke :(
tusptuja 4 months ago
Slightly more powerful and heavier then the Honda offering.
thekkl 5 months ago
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Hahaha fully carbon fiber fairing + seat? How is this supposed to be cheap?
Dorna is making a grave mistake that AMA motocross already made. 4-stroke racing is MUCH more expensive than 2-stroke. Why is moto2 so "cheap"? Because the ENGINE IS SEALED and NO CARBON FIBER IS ALLOWED.
Do the same with 2-stroke gp bikes (much like the Rotax kart series), and the 2-stroke machines will be faster and cheaper, guaranteed.
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
when MotoGP allowed 990cc 4 strokes to compete with the 500 2 strokes. Honda showed up with a 5 cylinder 990 which promptly won every race. The press, the teams, the manufacturers all hailed it as such an incredible, fantastic machine. 4 stroke was the future they said. All the while i'm thinking they needed more than DOUBLE the engine to finally beat the 500's! Needless to say the cost was astronomical, and now the entire MotoGP grids is only 17 riders. Honda is the reason for 4 strokes!
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago 3
@2StrokeRacing2 It is not only Honda the reason for 4 strokes. It's the market since the vast majority of veicles on roads use that (superior)technology. I can still see 2 strokes' on chainsaws or cheap lawnmowers tho...
gigizack 6 months ago
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@2StrokeRacing2 Yea, and again, honda won with their 5 cylinder 990 cc only 'cos they managed to make Dorna to allow 5 cyl's the same WEIGHT LIMIT as to the 4 cyl's, which was a utter joke. Yamaha eventually managed to beat them with a 4 cylinder bike from 2004 onwards. Just goes to show what a shitfuck company honda is.
JukkaX 5 months ago
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when MotoGP allowed 990cc 4 strokes to compete with the 500 2 strokes. Honda showed up with a 5 cylinder 990 which promptly won every race. The press, the teams, the manufacturers all hailed it as such an incredible, fantastic machine. 4 stroke was the future they said. All the while i'm thinking they needed more than DOUBLE the engine to finally beat the 500's! Needless to say the cost was astronomical, and now the entire MotoGP grids is only 17 riders.
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
125 in 2t i never forget it :(
Tallusek 8 months ago
What'd he say???
OwenArtStudios 8 months ago
Grande W la MOTO3
ptcruiser68 9 months ago
:34... what??
bboyrenzo 9 months ago
SHOW THE BIKE AND HIDE YO UGLY FACE
2secondman 9 months ago
Hahaha fully carbon fiber fairing + seat? How is this supposed to be cheap?
Dorna is making a grave mistake that AMA motocross already made. 4-stroke racing is MUCH more expensive than 2-stroke. Why is moto2 so "cheap"? Because the ENGINE IS SEALED and NO CARBON FIBER IS ALLOWED.
Do the same with 2-stroke gp bikes (much like the Rotax kart series), and the 2-stroke machines will be faster and cheaper, guaranteed.
FD3SA 10 months ago
40hp, 92kg comparable to a 125gp?!?!?!
how is 55hp comparable to 40hp?
2 stroke make 37.5% more power at half the displacement.
moto3 is as big a turn off as finding out your girl friend is actually a transexual.
joe2d 10 months ago
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joe2d 10 months ago
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2 stroke vs 2 slow (4 stroke)
i'd have 2 stroke in a heartbeat, WTF do they mean 4 stroke is cheaper?!?!?!?!?!
it costly to produce high revving 4 stroke, just valves & cams & heads are expensive, 2 stroke are much cheaper & produce more HP & deliver power faster in a more frantic manner.
moto3 > 125GP = Ninja 250 > RS125
IN YOUR DREAMS
joe2d 10 months ago
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joe2d 10 months ago
2 Stroke all the way!!!......
sopirah 10 months ago
I actually race in a super singles class (125cc 2stroke or 250cc 4 stroke), and the 4 strokes do well. If you take a 250cc mx motor and put it in a light, small chassis, it makes an awesome track bike. It's sad, but the 2stroke era is coming to an end, but it's silly to deny the fact that given enough development, a 4 stroke like this can easily wipe the 2stroke's ass. It's also a lot easier to ride with engine braking and a smoother power delivery.
Accept change people. It happens regardless.
adesignrsa 11 months ago
@adesignrsa It's silly to deny the fact that given enough development, a 4 stroke like this can easily wipe the 2stroke's ass??? At twice the displacement maybe. Going 4 stroke is actually going backwards in technology. The 2 stroke is a much more efficient engine than the 4 stroke. Apply the same technology to both motors and match cubic centimeter to cubic centimeter the 2 stroke will always be nearly 2x as powerful.
LordSamuelJ 10 months ago
@LordSamuelJ I'm afraid but you haven't got a clue of what an 'efficient' engine means. 4 strokes engines are more efficient than 2's, diesel even better, period
gigizack 9 months ago 2
@gigizack 2 stroke direct injection makes the emissions cleaner than a 4 stroke and it has way less parts you have no clue what your talking about
2StrokeRacing2 6 months ago
2 stroke 125cc will shit on that 4 stoke 250cc turd. My YZ 250 stock was keeping up and passing a YZF 450 with every aftermarket part installed. FUCK 4 stroke!!!
SaltLife750 11 months ago 3
Why kill a perfectly good formulae to make it more expensive, complicated and unreliable?
Soo bored of watching bloody 4 strokes, I can stand next to a dual carriageway and listen to s*** like this.
WSB has 4 strokes covered (7 makes in first 7 places in last race)
MotoGP 2 AND 3 should be for proper racing bikes not tarted up road bikes.
clackarelli 11 months ago
4stroke 250cc singles @ 40HP... i kinda like the 4stroke 125cc with 50+ hp
ZeroKenshin 1 year ago
Thats correct...I don't like it.(4-strokers in racebikes)
I do like Nico Bakkers framebuilding though.
He is a master.
By the way ,the motocross guys had to get used to it too.
But it seems the decided they donot want to anymore.
Twostrokes are on their way back as the favoured engine for their bikes.
I think that should be something to learn from.
emotracing 1 year ago
Hey...
When I read and hear all those enthousiastic comments from the pro's and the officials..I was starting to think I am the only one who thinks this 250-4stroker marketing gig sucks.
But I am not the only one !!
Well mr. Honda and stupid officials...thanks for making a dumbass cuprace out of our GP worldchampionship.
And stop the lies ,please...just say you hate 2strokers.
emotracing 1 year ago
i agree about the 2 strokes but that thing would still be fun as hell
DCSPEED23 1 year ago
that bike is a shit in front of 125 2t
FedericoEsse 1 year ago
250 4 stroke prototype= 50 HP!
brrt2 1 year ago
actually a 125 is putting out about 50hp currently
Himmlerdude 1 year ago
Can't wait for moto 3. I am racing a 250 gp mono in Australia and am going to do my best to get a wild card ride for 2012.
stevieman38 1 year ago
58 seconds?? Why??
themorganator 1 year ago
"higly expensive 2stroke machines", when the 4 strokes are a lot much more expensive... CLOWNS! CLOWNS! CLOWS! 4 stroke: heavier, more expensive, slower... Where's the good side? :-)
karolissickb0y 1 year ago
@karolissickb0y emissions. all the crazy environmentalists don't want 2 strokes because they run very dirty. i don't see how a few 2 strokes racing makes a difference but thats what they want
peavyt15 1 year ago
@peavyt15
Are you very sure about how much the real race 4strokes are clean? They too burn oil (in a different way, but they do), different temperatures also has their influence.
The "dirty 2stroke" is all junk, look at the E-Tec engines (direct injection 2 strokes with near no oil burn).
2 Strokes are too cheap, too good... ;-) That's not good for the big business plans ;-)
karolissickb0y 1 year ago
2strokes are "nearly obsolete?" since when are faster lap times obsolete? This whole "4 stroke revolution" has me sick to my stomach
clb393 1 year ago
Blegh his voice sucks BONKERS!!!
DuranXL 1 year ago 2
That's just bonkers
johnnylongsock 1 year ago
Yeah, wtf?
chiasmusx2 1 year ago
Nico bakker is a ingenious frame builder, and he deserves certainly more than this 58 seconds.....
come on, give us more !!!!!
pathund 1 year ago 3
come on CCM build a cafe racer like this!!!!!
boucher63 1 year ago
FOOKIN BONKERS!!!!!!!
shauncarlpope33 1 year ago
So MCN is back to posting vids with terrible sound quality. Bollocks.
calineophyte 1 year ago 4
"...the weight is argh2 pounds ..."
man, lose that thick accent !
13xBlackSun 1 year ago
Cheap? BS! The 125 2 stroke is so much better than this.
governator45 1 year ago
250cc 4 stroke single cylinder?
reminds me of a Buell Blast although not 250cc
sumitkid123 1 year ago
45hp? The 125GP will give 54hp at the red bull rookie level. Just like the Moto2 machines, they will be slower than the one they mean to replace...
nuno1007 1 year ago
Looks like a very nice bike. But what has happened to GP racing? It's supposed to be prototype racing. Where are all the experimental bikes? I want no bars hold innovative race bikes like the old RC133 (six cylinder, 2-stroke, 250cc) and stuff like that.
TotalNekro 1 year ago
@TotalNekro there trying to cut the cost factor at the moto gp level so less manufacterurs will back out of racing, there trying to do it at the top levels so the lower levels will have to follow suit, this aslo levels the playing field a bit so it's even more dependant on riding skills than what bike you ride, do i like it no to be honest but you never know it could make for even better races.
watchtheworldburn0 1 year ago
@watchtheworldburn0 But that is not what MOTOGP racing is! It's not some formula class. These new "based off" streetbikes class (moto2) are just marketing from Honda and the like.
governator45 1 year ago 3
Im verry proud to be dutch now :p bakker is awesome
1vamosrafa 1 year ago
Bonkers in me bonkers! Fiddledee dee! Bonker those bonkerey BONKS! Bonk me, them's the dog's bonkers!
1kperday 1 year ago
hard to get what he's saying for someone not having english as mother tongue
lamilumag 1 year ago 4
HOLY BONKERS
J4AProductions 1 year ago
Want !
steadiworkz 1 year ago
holy shit... this bike is bonkers...
xplorwest 1 year ago
Havent got a scooby doo what he just said, bonkers?
dmccfc1992 1 year ago 2
@dmccfc1992 I dont think he has a scooby either but its definitely bonkers.
Koho199 1 year ago 2
please could you speak more clearly... don't mumble
EppingForest304 1 year ago
Thats the accent
Trashjack101 1 year ago
125 2 strokes allll dayy, go away moto 3
binokoda 1 year ago 37
@binokoda if you dont like it don't comment on it, its going to be here in 2012 with 30 other bikes for years to come so get used to it
blondboyharrison 1 year ago
@blondboyharrison
Yes ,they said the same to the motocrossers some years ago.
Now ,after some very expensive learning years the twostroke is on its way back as the favoured engine for MC bikes.
Shouldn't the MotoGP learn from that ?
By the way ,nothing against Nico Bakkers craftsmanship...he is a master.
emotracing 1 year ago
@emotracing It's been confirmed mate, 4 stroke 250's in 2012 will replace the 125's
blondboyharrison 1 year ago
@binokoda 250 where its at
paladain55 10 months ago
@paladain55 250's are amazing especially disc valve equipped ones, perhaps in a way it's all relative to track size/length. sometimes I think we need new tracks, the bikes are rarely on full throttle now ( 4 stroke superbikes) Some of these tracks have been used so long now, perhaps some are inadequate for certain types or classes of racing? Debatable.
binokoda 10 months ago
@binokoda true, i agree with you. i think they ought to try out some different types of bikes. i remember they isle of man tt bikes with 50cc 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine with like 12 speed transmissions that could hit 130mph. i think that would be really interesting, with a little bit tighter tracks. i think it would make racing more interesting because they would shift more often to keep it at full power, and make it more competitive
paladain55 10 months ago
SWEET! Sure would be nice to see a 250 class in the USA with other machines besides the Ninja 250.
GregXB9R 1 year ago
Why did it just end? It would be a good video if you had of shown it abit more.
bfmv580 1 year ago 30
excellent.
fennavitch 1 year ago