@Lidmotor Didn't say that Bagdad and Crystal hydrate are the same, what I am intimating is that there are comparable attributes of each. Look at the inner chamber of the Great Pyramid, it was once a much larger version of what you are playing with now, your video is explaining to me why there was a bunch of salt residue on the inner walls of this chamber (that has a 27 plate layout). Some say the residue is from the great flood, But I believe now that it may point towards your experimentation.:)
@skeeterificable -----Thanks. I am not familar with the Great Pyramid inner chamber but this is the second time that it has been mentioned. I need to look into it. Something that I have learned (sometimes the hard way) is that many "new inventions" ---have already been done long long ago.
Random note: standard lead acid cells are actually derated to produce a "life" and temperature manipulation of the electrolyte seems to have many interesting effects on cycling: charge/discharge, some possibly far reaching.
I've become a big fan of making simple batteries from scratch, idealy cheap and as environmentaly freindly as possible. From a nett viability point of view, all material's, their embedded energy and the energy used to cook really needs to be taken into account for an end product: sadly!, BUT while in experimental/ research mode anything goes, its brain food and one thing can leed to another and often accidentaly a breakthrough!.
@1BustedMyth -------"Accidental" breakthroughs do happen. It has been my experience that "failure" is the road that you have to travel on to find one. One has to get comfortable with it. Jerri Ellsworth has a great video here on Youtube about that.
@Lidmotor ---- If it passivates the galvanic reaction that's truly amazing! Do you think that a comparable surface area fabrication will produce the same or better volts/amps power as the copper/alum crystal cells that he demonstrates?
@truepres -------I need to build the exact cell described in John's instructions first and watch it for some time before I can draw any conclusions. The test cell in this video is acting like a copper/magnesium/alum cell so far. Testing these cell takes days or weeks. Some tests have been going on for over a year. It is like watching paint dry.
is there a cell that bedini uses a kiln for?i heard soemone say something about hepto hydrid something.....iv got so sil e salt r salt......mind i dont use it for making batteries.. more for the bath.. i could give one a go what is the latest recipe for these hepto hydro cells
I've been meaning to make cells out of "cold porcelain" there's a few tutorials online, to create polymer clay sculptures, it uses corn starch and white glue, some mineral oil/baby oil and some vinegar or lemon juice. I'm not sure how much it would act as a battery with the plain recipe but I'm positive there would be a way to modify it. Thanks for the upload!
@theonelinerkid -----Jonh Bedini now sells a crystal cell kit that has a kiln fired copper bowl as the semi conductor (+) electrode. The cell is heat treated copper, magnesium, with a water and Alum electrolyte. He may have a solid pure kiln fired crystal cell ready but I have not seen it.
It doesn't hurt IB2's reputation does it :) Great to see your hydrate cell. Hopefully another long ride with various experiments - wondering if these might power a radio long term like the stovetop powered Penny.
@slider2732 ------As soon as I finished the AM radio I was working on the cell to power it with. I gave the wooden box AM to my Dad so you won't see that one anymore but I am working on another one. The radio reciever will run on a number of homemade cells that I already have. It is the amplifier that is the hard part. MORE POWER SCOTTY!!! WE NEED MORE POWER!!!!!!
Great video! Look at the stove top cell go, she's a fighter. The reason why the stove top cell has lasted was due to no water being put on it. I do love this video Lidmotor, you're a great at replicating things. This will be a very interesting test to watch. Please keep us informed about John's cell.
@ibpointless2 -----This is kind of an ongoing long adventure journey. It reminds me of traveling somewhere in a sailboat. It isn't going to be quick or at a constant speed---but eventually you get there.
@homebuiltindoorplane -----Thanks, Hewey still sits on my kitchen window sill and turns on at night when he gets enough sunlight during the day. The supercapacitors in him have worked out very well. He is going to outlive me.
Look up the "Bagdad battery" and I think you'll be amazed at some of the answers you get to what you are playing with now.:)
skeeterificable 3 weeks ago
@skeeterificable -----No this is not a "Bagdad battery" or a lemon battery or a energizer bunny battery. It is NOT a standard voltaic cell.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
@Lidmotor Didn't say that Bagdad and Crystal hydrate are the same, what I am intimating is that there are comparable attributes of each. Look at the inner chamber of the Great Pyramid, it was once a much larger version of what you are playing with now, your video is explaining to me why there was a bunch of salt residue on the inner walls of this chamber (that has a 27 plate layout). Some say the residue is from the great flood, But I believe now that it may point towards your experimentation.:)
skeeterificable 3 weeks ago
@skeeterificable -----Thanks. I am not familar with the Great Pyramid inner chamber but this is the second time that it has been mentioned. I need to look into it. Something that I have learned (sometimes the hard way) is that many "new inventions" ---have already been done long long ago.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
Random note: standard lead acid cells are actually derated to produce a "life" and temperature manipulation of the electrolyte seems to have many interesting effects on cycling: charge/discharge, some possibly far reaching.
1BustedMyth 3 weeks ago
I've become a big fan of making simple batteries from scratch, idealy cheap and as environmentaly freindly as possible. From a nett viability point of view, all material's, their embedded energy and the energy used to cook really needs to be taken into account for an end product: sadly!, BUT while in experimental/ research mode anything goes, its brain food and one thing can leed to another and often accidentaly a breakthrough!.
1BustedMyth 3 weeks ago
@1BustedMyth -------"Accidental" breakthroughs do happen. It has been my experience that "failure" is the road that you have to travel on to find one. One has to get comfortable with it. Jerri Ellsworth has a great video here on Youtube about that.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
That sure is a lot more complicated that his cells that he promotes on the Energy From The Vacuum DVD's #27 and 29.
truepres 3 weeks ago
@truepres ------Yes this cell is not easy to make. The hardest part is cooking the chemicals into just the right melted mixture.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
@Lidmotor ---- If it passivates the galvanic reaction that's truly amazing! Do you think that a comparable surface area fabrication will produce the same or better volts/amps power as the copper/alum crystal cells that he demonstrates?
truepres 3 weeks ago
@truepres -------I need to build the exact cell described in John's instructions first and watch it for some time before I can draw any conclusions. The test cell in this video is acting like a copper/magnesium/alum cell so far. Testing these cell takes days or weeks. Some tests have been going on for over a year. It is like watching paint dry.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
Nice as always Lid keep us informed!
Wintermuteai1 3 weeks ago
@Wintermuteai1 -----Thanks.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
Dear Lidmotor,
Perhaps it may be interesting to shine IR LED's at the Stovetop cell to see if the current or voltage increases with a specific wavelength stimulus.
Great Job as always.
Diveflyfish
diveflyfish 3 weeks ago
@diveflyfish -----I will try that.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
is there a cell that bedini uses a kiln for?i heard soemone say something about hepto hydrid something.....iv got so sil e salt r salt......mind i dont use it for making batteries.. more for the bath.. i could give one a go what is the latest recipe for these hepto hydro cells
theonelinerkid 3 weeks ago
I've been meaning to make cells out of "cold porcelain" there's a few tutorials online, to create polymer clay sculptures, it uses corn starch and white glue, some mineral oil/baby oil and some vinegar or lemon juice. I'm not sure how much it would act as a battery with the plain recipe but I'm positive there would be a way to modify it. Thanks for the upload!
ken25taylor 3 weeks ago
are any of you using a kiln yet? ...whats the latest with these crystal thingies
theonelinerkid 3 weeks ago
@theonelinerkid -----Jonh Bedini now sells a crystal cell kit that has a kiln fired copper bowl as the semi conductor (+) electrode. The cell is heat treated copper, magnesium, with a water and Alum electrolyte. He may have a solid pure kiln fired crystal cell ready but I have not seen it.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
@Lidmotor shame because ive got a kiln kind of
theonelinerkid 3 weeks ago
It doesn't hurt IB2's reputation does it :) Great to see your hydrate cell. Hopefully another long ride with various experiments - wondering if these might power a radio long term like the stovetop powered Penny.
slider2732 3 weeks ago
@slider2732 ------As soon as I finished the AM radio I was working on the cell to power it with. I gave the wooden box AM to my Dad so you won't see that one anymore but I am working on another one. The radio reciever will run on a number of homemade cells that I already have. It is the amplifier that is the hard part. MORE POWER SCOTTY!!! WE NEED MORE POWER!!!!!!
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
Great video! Look at the stove top cell go, she's a fighter. The reason why the stove top cell has lasted was due to no water being put on it. I do love this video Lidmotor, you're a great at replicating things. This will be a very interesting test to watch. Please keep us informed about John's cell.
ibpointless2 3 weeks ago
@ibpointless2 -----This is kind of an ongoing long adventure journey. It reminds me of traveling somewhere in a sailboat. It isn't going to be quick or at a constant speed---but eventually you get there.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago
very good lid, thanks for sharing, say hi to huey for me :)
homebuiltindoorplane 3 weeks ago
@homebuiltindoorplane -----Thanks, Hewey still sits on my kitchen window sill and turns on at night when he gets enough sunlight during the day. The supercapacitors in him have worked out very well. He is going to outlive me.
Lidmotor 3 weeks ago