I believe the Q were more powerful than the Ancients in Stargate based off of what each has done in their respective cinema throughout their shows history and spinoffs. The ancients, in their energy forms, couldn't go back and forth through time or snap their fingers and move stars around as if they were play things; the Q could do both with a thought. I have only seen the ancient's power used in the destruction to protect planets and go against the Ori (Morgan LeFay)
Acient technology in Stargate is ludicrously advanced compared to anything Star Trek. In Star Trek, getting halfway across the Milky Way (such as to launch an attack on Earth) takes the Borg many years. An Ancient warship, on the other hand, can travel between GALAXIES in under a month.
The only viable way to beat the Ancients is to overwhelm them with sheer numbers.
The Q don't count. They're godlike beings that don't even need technology. Kind of like the ascended Ancients, except with no rules against interfering with lesser beings. And we don't really know anything about how advanced the Iconians were. Their signature tech was their gateways, which seem to be near-identical in capability to the Ancients' Stargates.
And yes, transwarp hub technology lets the Borg quickly go anywhere in the Milky Way that's connected to the hub. But there's no indication it can cover intergalactic distances. A trip from Earth to the Pegasus Galaxy is roughly 30 times further than traveling between the two most distant points in the Milky Way.
Also note that as soon as they dug out their presumerably far outdated beam weaponry it's stated that those satalites easily held the wraith back for decades. Considering that those satalites didn't have shields or proper armor, it's a safe bet to assume that the beam weapons were far more effective than drones against the wraith.
Which also explains what an easy time they had in the show with Asgard weaponry.
@TheStargatefan1000 Yes, the ASGARD beams. The Alterran versions were alot more powerful.
And the drones are not stronger. They just go to areas where they'll make the most effect. They don't have to go through armor or shields because they phase straight through.
There is also the fact that they had a limited amount of drones, so once they ran out the wraith were essentially free to do what they wanted, as they couldn't counter attack.
Guys, the point of drones as a weapon is that they can phase through shields, hulls, and whatever they need to. They can quite easily hit key point in the ship, like the bridge, the power supply, etc. The reason they were not so effective vs the wraith was because they had a limited supply, and their main advantage (and the reason they were used) was they could go through shields. This meant that the sheer amount of wraith ships was just too many to destroy at the same time, so they won.
@spacexploder It's the soundtrack from Star Trek: Bridge Commander (the game shown here). The music tracks are actually CD audio tracks, so if you can track down the disc (or a rip of it), you can get the songs...
@blidderbla Nanomite ancients as in Asurans? Really? Replicator vs Assimilator? Sounds like one of those cheap SyFy shows that cancelled Stargate in the first place.
I'd have to give this one to the Borg. A large number of the drones would be knocked out before reaching the cube, only a drone assault akin to the one based from Earth, which could overwhelm the cube, would bring it down. The Borg's regenerative abilities would also make a long fight tilt in their favor.
@DartLuke The Aurora class ancient ships had drones and several smaller pulse plasma guns. The Tari (human) / Aesgard ships (ex Daedalus) had Rail guns (magnetic driven) machine guns, Aesgard beam weapons that were like a heavy phazer and of course nukes and some smaller missiles.
@DartLuke They're called Drones. Intelligent warheads capable of going through any shields, penetrating any armor and dodging any attempt to counter them.
I could be wrong here, but aren't drones pretty much the perfect weapon to fight the Borg with, since they punch through armor like KE penetrators, the equivalent of punching the Borg cube over and over until everything collapses, and the one thing the Borg can't adapt to is KE damage. Granted, cubes have few vital areas (which drones tend to target), but the drones could keep flying through the cube until nothing was left.
@CobaltX07 The ancient drones seem to have a kind of thermal force field around them. They can burrow through stone or steel and keep going. From the show the field(s) tend to flame thrower like punch & melt their way through. It's an effective design and having a conscious mind guiding them obviously give them great maneuverability. I have never seen a drone blow up all the much either in the full city size of the puddle jumper size drones. The drones are flying drills.
damn bad shots.. was that suppose to be a tractor beam or a phaser ? what the hell was the ancient ship firing rail guns ?? where r the drones ?? the Borg couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
hyffuguyftg the uss enterprise was the only ship at the time that had quantum torpedoes doing the fight with the borg "First Contact" and enterpises was still the most advanced ship that starfleet has even into the movie "Nemesis". The only ship that was more advanced then the U.S.S Enterprise was the U.S.S Voyager , voyager came out of the delta quadrant with armored plating that would make both borg and the enterprises tech look like left over trash from last week.
Plues all of the tech that they had leard and engraded into the ship systems over the time they wheir in the delta quadrant like batter shields, Outter armored plating, improved brog tech with the help of 7of 9 and a faster but unstable wrapdrive system.
I distinctly remember that the Atlantis people had to come up with a way to transport their nukes THROUGH the Wraith shields and that one Wraith ("Todd") gave them the codes to do so to advance his personal agenda.
Kingrex16 said "Wraith ships dont have shields making the UFP weaponry alot more effective"
Hmmm this is an intresting match up. Although I feel the Aruora-class (Ancient Ship) would Win. Why?
WEve seen in Stargate that the Drone weapons can go throught almost any kind of Shield, one Drone and cuncture a ship multiple times before being used up. if the Aurora fires a massive salvo and destroy the cube bfore they can adapt. Then there good.
@Kingrex16 the big problem is, how many borg were beamed aboard your ship before you destroyed the cube? because if they managed to get aboard you would lose.
@TheShooter879 My thing is the Borg have never met the ancients. So in the first encounter id give the edge to the ancients. In sebequent encounters then it will favor the borg. That being said when the borg beam over to the ancient ship they could put up a successful fight against them. IMO.
well i can kinda agree with you there. The Wraith only won cause they had strength in numbers though. I dont think they would take the Borg so lightly.
@Kingrex16 The Borg might have been able to transport on board but the ancients were pretty smart and would have put a shield around certain area's and vented the atmosphere until the Borg on the ship were dead, sealing the bridge with a jamming code so they couldn't do it again and then firing all the drones at them.
They'd win that battle and then think the Borg were pushovers tbh...I wanna see a fight between a Wraith armada vs the UFP fleet because I think that the Wraith would win that.
@hyffuguyftg under armor is electronic what is vuleable to EMP....and im sure that ancients ship generator is able to make EMP strong enought to penetrate any protection what can one human size soldier carry:)....
@hyffuguyftg Do you rly belive that ancients ship generator is no able make EMP pulse strong enought to penetrate any protection what can single human size soldier carry?:/
@Mishai87 Yes I believe that, the Borg assimilate other races and their technology so they'd have all sorts of technology that no one has ever seen before and one of those I guarenty would be a way to resist emp weapons, the Replicators could resist the effects of the ARP's in Stargate Atlantis and that was basically the same thing so whats to stop the Borg from doing the same?
@hyffuguyftg cause replicators acompatybile machines and borg soldiers are combination of organism and machine so machine must be simply said...open to the organic part...with the conection...so only "working" EMP protection must be do with some sort of energy shield what will make oposite curve pulse to EMP incoming...but that pulse can be strong only like the generator of soldier can make...and ship generator can make much stronger pulse in that way..organic part is sadly said weaknes of borg
@hyffuguyftg It was theorized that the Wraith have a little over 60 hives in the Pegasus Galaxy. Lets look at a wraith hive. They are massive ships with numerous weapons placed around the hull. There hull armour is organic so damaged sections can be regrown if damaged. Wraith ships also didnt have shields making energy weapons extremely effwctive against them.
@hyffuguyftg ok now lets look at the UFP. Their ships were highly manuverable, and armaments include Phasers and photon torpedoes (some ships were equiped with quantum) During Operation Return (DS9) the UFP commited over 600 ships to that one battle.
Now looking at the capabilities of wraith ships compared to Federation ships id say in a fleet on fleet battle The UFP would win. Why? Wraith ships dont have shields making the UFP weaponry alot more effective.
Well, as long as the Borg were stupid enough to try to bring a captured ship onboard their own vessel, the easiest way to destroy them would be early on evacuate into escape pods and shuttles and set the autodestruct to immediately cause a core breech in the matter-antimatter reactor and warp core. Nothing could survive that. It would be a heluva blast!
Well, as long as Borg as stupid were stupid enough to try to bring a captured ship onboard their own vessel, the easiest way to destroy them would be early on evacuate into escape pods and shuttles and set the autodestruct to immediately cause a core breech in the matter-antimatter reactor and warp core. Nothing could survive that. It would be a heluva blast!
Further addition to my other post. I think it is funny somehow attaching levels to a Universe or the races in such universes. So what is the Q power level then? I would assume there would not be one right since they are by definition omnipotent? Though I am sure like most of these arguments the Q will have to be left out. Overall the power of most ST races at their height of power exceed that of nearly every one of these universes. The time lords? LOL come on. ST universe time travels as easy.
I am a fan of all these different universes. However it is quite annoying how weak individuals seem to think all ships from the ST universe are. Most the fights usually end up taking away a ST ability as with the borg the ability to adapt. Further the borg vs the Alterans (ancients) as a war would be a joke. The numbers alone would be auto-win for the borg, which then would mean the borg will possess all the ancients pre-ascended at least. The bias is just rather funny.
Borg would rip the ancients a new asshole if somehow they both were real and were to fight. Hell a single Aurora class ship vs the borg is a joke, SG fans who can not see past anything SG areof the same joke. The borg cub would just keep flying right into the Aurora class ship and just keep going. Usually with these types of arguments I ask what universes rules. But really when you use the borg as the ST team and one Aurora for SG it does not matter the cube every time over the Aurora class.
@CES2M3 you my dear friend don't seem to understand that both universes have their weaknesses and strenghts. To be honest if both would goto war I wouldn't want to be in between because even though the borg can make more of them selves the asurans would win because they are nanite's and only some are really human. The ones you were referring to were the Lanteans who created the asurans and if the lanteans were still alive after the wraith-lantean war they would be...........Unstoppable.
@LightGuardian23 No I am referring to the lanteans, and they would not be unstoppable. Yes The borg are going to be afraid of nanites, yea they clearly know nothing about that. IF it was actual borg vs the Lanteans, the Borg would simply outnumber them. But hey there are always those super fanboys of other sci-fi shit, who have some sort of thing against trek. I do not give a damn about trek SG-1 or any other sci-fi genre. However one must realize the borg and their relentlessness.
@hyffuguyftg i'd argue that phasers beat drones, not to mention that borg cubes have about as much shield as atlantis does (albeit zpm give more power that mater antimatter colision does)
@AnteyPL Because there were shit tons of the Wraith, they overwelmed them with sheer numbers, the Borg are powerful Ill give them that but they're weak as shit compared to Drones, the difference in the Wraith and the Ancients is that the Wraith use energy weapons (More or less infinate ammo) The Ancients had to build Drones and the Wraith cloning plants made it impossible for them to make enough for the amount of Wraith that were.
Wraith didn't have nanoprobes and there were at least as much shitload of Borg, as Wraith. They just (usually) adapted quicker and are more survivable. Actually, Borg, Voth, 8472 and Q are only races from Star Trek which approach (or surpass) capabilities of Replicators, Asgard, Wraith and Ancients respectively. Others, including humans were lagging behind (eg. Federation was far, far behind Tollans).
@Dwavenhobble They're The Borg, so they've got thousands of civilizations research on weapons technology. I doubt it would take them long to determine how to use their own energy weapons as a point defense mechanism and destroy the Ancient drones mid-flight. At the very least, it would lead them to a stalemate until they learned enough to defeat the ship, and subsequently the rest of the Anicents. (The Borg are just one big trial and error computer after all.)
@GreyTH Thousands of civilizations vs 1 million years of tech. I'm sure the drones themselves have been developed to be point defense proof. In fact that might be why in a usual salvo there are thousands of them.
well if the ancient ship is equipped with a chair / zpm / drone platform the borg torpedoes would never hit and i'm fairly sure ancient shields are capable of absorbing the phaser intensity of a borg ship for several days with a full power zpm
Ehm according to the stargate wiki an ancient warship was between 3000 and 3500 meters long. A Borg bue is around 2000 meter each side so the ancient warship would be bigger.
The question who would win - i think the Borg the ancients were the greatest pussies in all of sci fi history.
First: Kicked out of their galaxy by the Ori
Second: Killed by a plage send to them by the Ori in our Galaxy.
Third: Wiped out by the wraith in the Pegasus galaxy.
@Denorius01 well I'm sorry if I sound rude just kinda a fan of SG its just, 1. the ancients were kicked out by the wraith because they were less of a army they only were basicly peaceful and didn't want to fight at all so they were little in numbers (don't believe me then watch SGA episode 20 of season 1 (I think it was the one). 2. Yes the Ori sent a plage to them put imagine our worlds plage, which wiped out a lot of people before the cure was found, and last I don't recall that happening
Now this makes sense. Would probably be easier than that, but the outcome was never really in doubt(TF2 Spy quote). A hatak lasts 10 hours in the sun.
a zpm powered shield can withstand DAYS of sustained fire even covering an area the size of Atlantis according to the SG mythos, so frankly it wouldn't be a battle at all.
even if it didn't have one, the Borg cubes have no defence against the drone swarm weapons, they even often miss relatively large manned craft, it would just be a massacre!
and Borg request you stand down, because it is more efficient than wasting energy or destroying technology
dam the borg ship lasted that long remind me tonever fight it with any thing eals but SG ships i just wish you had up the damage hud and stuff it makes it easer to make tatecks lol
the ancients would win vs anyhting in any other series, they are energy beings and can exist anywhere in time and space, if they where to be put into a class, a new class would have to be added above that of class 4, there is nothing an ancient cannot do with their powers, afterall they are the closest thing to true gods in and of the sci-fi series, its just they refuse to interfear with the lower planes of existance. Oh and their power grows when they gain followers from lower planes, scary.
No games seem to get Borg cubes right, because none of them include the Borg's adaptive capability. Even drones would soon be unable to penetrate a Borg cube's shields; the Borg would analyze the drones as they were attacked by them, and using the biggest supercomputer in the universe - the collective - would develop a means of stopping them. The Federation is mostly lucky, not good at defeating the Borg.
@Paragon19 Maybe the gamedevelopers are scarred they would accidently develop an adaptive defense-system for PC-videogames that can later be used for special forms of viruses.^^
because that cube didn't literally appear out of nowhere and i agree with everyone had it been a real alteran aurora class war ship...the cube would get raped
The Borg cube looks like the Ka'aba that Muslims are forced to prostrate toward five times a day, every day, to keep from paying the jizyah tax, or else.
im not realy a star trek fan so dont know anything about those ships and when i saw that huge cube against that small ship the player controlled i was: "ohhh pour guy, hope he made a save..." but than again he stoud out preaty good...
was it a cheat or that litle ship is that strong ?
just enjoy them for what they are.. and yes it is kool to see the enterprise go up against a star destroyer, or the centauri go up against the galatica, its all cool, and wonder what would happen but stop getting into pissing contest over which is better they all got there advantages and disadvantages
why is every one making a stink about which is better who whom can beet whom star wars or star trek , or stargate, or by or battle star glalatica, like honestly why are you all putting so much energy into saying which is better.. i got the sad truth they are all great shows, series, w/e.. it does not matter what can beat what.
I's pretty ovbious that a Borg cube would win. Borg cubes are over 3km in length. Borg cube don't rely on shields either, Borg cubes have no bridges or engineering bays, no key systems to exploit. Borg cubs are like honeycombs and have multi layerd hulls made from Ablative and Regenerative hull materials. It would take thousands of Photons to destroy a Borg Cube. Borg Cubes can remain fuctional when 80% of it has been destroyed.
@MrRuinaga thats pretty much what the ancient drones are, each machine gun like shot was roughly the strength [at least 1/2 the power] of a photon torpedo
and just because its 3km doesnt mean that it would have a hard time to get destroyed. a hive ship is 3600 meters long. a barrage of drones easily distroyed it.
the dvd collections are atrocious and not to be trusted. the majority of episodes depict the hives as being significantly larger than the daedalus and ancient ships.
@zzxcvb98 whatever. the dvd collections are only things that actually tell you the size of those ships. unless you rely on visual calculations. and yes the hives are bigger than the daedalus.
yes, but if you use common sense, the dvd collections' measurements are completely absurd, for example they say a wraith cruiser is 2.5 km long, carries 20 hive ships, and weighs 6 tonnes. also, the 3km length for the ancient warship makes no sense, especially exemplified in the episode travelers.
@ Thrytlind you said ancient technology level is above the asgard tech there is at least one evidence which proofs you claim wrong remember in the last ep of SG1 the with asgard tech refitet deadalus could fight ori battlecruises the asgard shields could withstand multiple hits of ori weapons fire but the blue energy beam could easily pierce the shields and armor of the ori battlecruisers and considereing there technology is comparable with the one of the ancients
@corausr they was only able two take multiple hit from ori weapons and pierce there shields and armor because they had a ZPM powering the ships shields and wepons and even than they was goin two lose they only live because they use a time dilation feild two slow time down and than fined a way out of being distoryed
@donnydeankelly so that means each ship whats powered by zpm is superior to those of ori origin? arent they supposed to be equal in everything including tech but you maybe right the zpm powered hive ship could easily wihtstand the blue asgard beam and drone fire but i really dont care its just a game each universe has its own rules and tech imo impossible to compare. Therefor i could say i would destroy an entire fleet consisting of ori, ancient and borg ships with one shimada bomb but i wont
I believe the Q were more powerful than the Ancients in Stargate based off of what each has done in their respective cinema throughout their shows history and spinoffs. The ancients, in their energy forms, couldn't go back and forth through time or snap their fingers and move stars around as if they were play things; the Q could do both with a thought. I have only seen the ancient's power used in the destruction to protect planets and go against the Ori (Morgan LeFay)
MultiChillMusic 18 hours ago
Acient technology in Stargate is ludicrously advanced compared to anything Star Trek. In Star Trek, getting halfway across the Milky Way (such as to launch an attack on Earth) takes the Borg many years. An Ancient warship, on the other hand, can travel between GALAXIES in under a month.
The only viable way to beat the Ancients is to overwhelm them with sheer numbers.
RedXlV 2 weeks ago
@RedXlV Nopes....once the borg learn where you are, they can open Transwarp nexus gates to get places near instantly. Reference here:
Memory Alpha search Transwarp Hub
Even the Federation develops advanced transwarp drives eventually.
Also there are several species MUCH more advanced then anything that was ever shown in Stargate....The Iconians and the Q continuum to name two.
RPS766 6 days ago
@RPS766
The Q don't count. They're godlike beings that don't even need technology. Kind of like the ascended Ancients, except with no rules against interfering with lesser beings. And we don't really know anything about how advanced the Iconians were. Their signature tech was their gateways, which seem to be near-identical in capability to the Ancients' Stargates.
RedXlV 5 days ago
@RPS766
And yes, transwarp hub technology lets the Borg quickly go anywhere in the Milky Way that's connected to the hub. But there's no indication it can cover intergalactic distances. A trip from Earth to the Pegasus Galaxy is roughly 30 times further than traveling between the two most distant points in the Milky Way.
RedXlV 5 days ago
what happen to the drones...
Zerojquan 3 weeks ago
well actuly acording to star trek 'first contact', the borg could not adapt to led becuase its like if you wanted to keep air out of a cloth tent
23raynor 1 month ago
where to get the ancient spaship for BC Kobayashi mod!??. reply please
miles509 1 month ago
the borg never win, who's suprised.
Fektthis 2 months ago
really? fucking cocksucker!
lead us into a big disappointment!
paladindarknite 2 months ago
video games are not videos
coindude49801 2 months ago
Also note that as soon as they dug out their presumerably far outdated beam weaponry it's stated that those satalites easily held the wraith back for decades. Considering that those satalites didn't have shields or proper armor, it's a safe bet to assume that the beam weapons were far more effective than drones against the wraith.
Which also explains what an easy time they had in the show with Asgard weaponry.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
@GortonMichael 1 drone can destroy a wraith cruiser. 2 beamshoots can destroy 1 cruiser
drones r stronger
TheStargatefan1000 2 months ago
@TheStargatefan1000 Yes, the ASGARD beams. The Alterran versions were alot more powerful.
And the drones are not stronger. They just go to areas where they'll make the most effect. They don't have to go through armor or shields because they phase straight through.
There is also the fact that they had a limited amount of drones, so once they ran out the wraith were essentially free to do what they wanted, as they couldn't counter attack.
So, Beams>Drones vs wraith
GortonMichael 2 months ago
Guys, the point of drones as a weapon is that they can phase through shields, hulls, and whatever they need to. They can quite easily hit key point in the ship, like the bridge, the power supply, etc. The reason they were not so effective vs the wraith was because they had a limited supply, and their main advantage (and the reason they were used) was they could go through shields. This meant that the sheer amount of wraith ships was just too many to destroy at the same time, so they won.
GortonMichael 2 months ago
name of music?
spacexploder 3 months ago
@spacexploder It's the soundtrack from Star Trek: Bridge Commander (the game shown here). The music tracks are actually CD audio tracks, so if you can track down the disc (or a rip of it), you can get the songs...
lamelama22 3 months ago
That was gay as hell.
EmpireTower 3 months ago
Borg vs nanomite ancients would be cool :P
blidderbla 4 months ago
@blidderbla Nanomite ancients as in Asurans? Really? Replicator vs Assimilator? Sounds like one of those cheap SyFy shows that cancelled Stargate in the first place.
Renji9031 3 months ago
I'd have to give this one to the Borg. A large number of the drones would be knocked out before reaching the cube, only a drone assault akin to the one based from Earth, which could overwhelm the cube, would bring it down. The Borg's regenerative abilities would also make a long fight tilt in their favor.
korrde 4 months ago
Why does ancient ship use machine guns?
DartLuke 5 months ago 15
@DartLuke The Aurora class ancient ships had drones and several smaller pulse plasma guns. The Tari (human) / Aesgard ships (ex Daedalus) had Rail guns (magnetic driven) machine guns, Aesgard beam weapons that were like a heavy phazer and of course nukes and some smaller missiles.
aleutiansrealm 3 months ago
@DartLuke they're called Ancient Pulse weapons
BMWM3GTRLOVER 2 months ago
@DartLuke Not machine guns Battlestar Galactica type weapons probably
Sithgod19961969 3 weeks ago
@DartLuke They're called Drones. Intelligent warheads capable of going through any shields, penetrating any armor and dodging any attempt to counter them.
dumus841 1 week ago
@dumus841 I know about drones. But it looks like simple machine guns. And drones would destroy borg cube in one moment.
DartLuke 1 week ago
@DartLuke; i think the ship depicted is the one from SGU which predates Drone tech.
bannedbyMusloons 1 week ago
@DartLuke Its not a machine gun they are pulse fired energy blast, not so different from pulse phasers.
TheFusonn 2 days ago
what game is this?
DIVOTMOVIES 5 months ago
@DIVOTMOVIES Star Trek Bridge Commander
TheSCR1899 5 months ago
I could be wrong here, but aren't drones pretty much the perfect weapon to fight the Borg with, since they punch through armor like KE penetrators, the equivalent of punching the Borg cube over and over until everything collapses, and the one thing the Borg can't adapt to is KE damage. Granted, cubes have few vital areas (which drones tend to target), but the drones could keep flying through the cube until nothing was left.
CobaltX07 5 months ago
@CobaltX07 The ancient drones seem to have a kind of thermal force field around them. They can burrow through stone or steel and keep going. From the show the field(s) tend to flame thrower like punch & melt their way through. It's an effective design and having a conscious mind guiding them obviously give them great maneuverability. I have never seen a drone blow up all the much either in the full city size of the puddle jumper size drones. The drones are flying drills.
aleutiansrealm 3 months ago
The music is way too pleasant for an epic space battle
ancalites 5 months ago
damn bad shots.. was that suppose to be a tractor beam or a phaser ? what the hell was the ancient ship firing rail guns ?? where r the drones ?? the Borg couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
what for a game is this?
DoggdianV 5 months ago
you will be assimilatted beotch
HondaCivic123451 5 months ago
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hyffuguyftg the uss enterprise was the only ship at the time that had quantum torpedoes doing the fight with the borg "First Contact" and enterpises was still the most advanced ship that starfleet has even into the movie "Nemesis". The only ship that was more advanced then the U.S.S Enterprise was the U.S.S Voyager , voyager came out of the delta quadrant with armored plating that would make both borg and the enterprises tech look like left over trash from last week.
starletdempsy 5 months ago
Plues all of the tech that they had leard and engraded into the ship systems over the time they wheir in the delta quadrant like batter shields, Outter armored plating, improved brog tech with the help of 7of 9 and a faster but unstable wrapdrive system.
starletdempsy 5 months ago
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starletdempsy 5 months ago
borg will win in 0.93938105 seconds
ShaxxLOL 6 months ago
@Kingrex16
I distinctly remember that the Atlantis people had to come up with a way to transport their nukes THROUGH the Wraith shields and that one Wraith ("Todd") gave them the codes to do so to advance his personal agenda.
Kingrex16 said "Wraith ships dont have shields making the UFP weaponry alot more effective"
exgenica 6 months ago
@exgenica the wraith were jamming the asgard transporters, had some sorta ecm going on there, not shielding
snowboredsnj 5 months ago
Borgs: we are the borg.....etc ...futile
captain: Dit this quote anytime worked?
Borgs: no:(
captain: SO why you still repeat that?
Borgs: Cause its awesome.)
Mishai87 6 months ago
Was wondering,would ship packs work for the demo version or does it need the actual game?
annoyiorangeisawsome 6 months ago
Hmmm this is an intresting match up. Although I feel the Aruora-class (Ancient Ship) would Win. Why?
WEve seen in Stargate that the Drone weapons can go throught almost any kind of Shield, one Drone and cuncture a ship multiple times before being used up. if the Aurora fires a massive salvo and destroy the cube bfore they can adapt. Then there good.
Kingrex16 6 months ago
@Kingrex16
The Borg can beam drones(Borg drones not Ancient drones) onto the Ancient ship through shields and assimilate everyone onboard. Game over man!
quizzisation 6 months ago
@Kingrex16 the big problem is, how many borg were beamed aboard your ship before you destroyed the cube? because if they managed to get aboard you would lose.
TheShooter879 6 months ago
@TheShooter879 My thing is the Borg have never met the ancients. So in the first encounter id give the edge to the ancients. In sebequent encounters then it will favor the borg. That being said when the borg beam over to the ancient ship they could put up a successful fight against them. IMO.
Kingrex16 6 months ago
@Kingrex16 The Ancients were arrogant fucks though
hyffuguyftg 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg
well i can kinda agree with you there. The Wraith only won cause they had strength in numbers though. I dont think they would take the Borg so lightly.
Kingrex16 6 months ago
@Kingrex16 The Borg might have been able to transport on board but the ancients were pretty smart and would have put a shield around certain area's and vented the atmosphere until the Borg on the ship were dead, sealing the bridge with a jamming code so they couldn't do it again and then firing all the drones at them.
They'd win that battle and then think the Borg were pushovers tbh...I wanna see a fight between a Wraith armada vs the UFP fleet because I think that the Wraith would win that.
hyffuguyftg 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg Or the smart ancients can use some strong el magnetsr:)))) when you are a guy with half body of electonics parts you rly hate magnets:D
Mishai87 6 months ago
@Mishai87 The Borg exo armour is designed to not be magnetic and is also designed to be resistant too EMP pulse's
hyffuguyftg 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg under armor is electronic what is vuleable to EMP....and im sure that ancients ship generator is able to make EMP strong enought to penetrate any protection what can one human size soldier carry:)....
Mishai87 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg Do you rly belive that ancients ship generator is no able make EMP pulse strong enought to penetrate any protection what can single human size soldier carry?:/
Mishai87 6 months ago
@Mishai87 Yes I believe that, the Borg assimilate other races and their technology so they'd have all sorts of technology that no one has ever seen before and one of those I guarenty would be a way to resist emp weapons, the Replicators could resist the effects of the ARP's in Stargate Atlantis and that was basically the same thing so whats to stop the Borg from doing the same?
hyffuguyftg 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg cause replicators acompatybile machines and borg soldiers are combination of organism and machine so machine must be simply said...open to the organic part...with the conection...so only "working" EMP protection must be do with some sort of energy shield what will make oposite curve pulse to EMP incoming...but that pulse can be strong only like the generator of soldier can make...and ship generator can make much stronger pulse in that way..organic part is sadly said weaknes of borg
Mishai87 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg It was theorized that the Wraith have a little over 60 hives in the Pegasus Galaxy. Lets look at a wraith hive. They are massive ships with numerous weapons placed around the hull. There hull armour is organic so damaged sections can be regrown if damaged. Wraith ships also didnt have shields making energy weapons extremely effwctive against them.
Kingrex16 6 months ago
@hyffuguyftg ok now lets look at the UFP. Their ships were highly manuverable, and armaments include Phasers and photon torpedoes (some ships were equiped with quantum) During Operation Return (DS9) the UFP commited over 600 ships to that one battle.
Now looking at the capabilities of wraith ships compared to Federation ships id say in a fleet on fleet battle The UFP would win. Why? Wraith ships dont have shields making the UFP weaponry alot more effective.
Kingrex16 6 months ago
@Kingrex16 Okay, but this is a video about the ancients vs the Borg...I don't really see what you're getting at here can you please point it out???
hyffuguyftg 6 months ago
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Well, as long as the Borg were stupid enough to try to bring a captured ship onboard their own vessel, the easiest way to destroy them would be early on evacuate into escape pods and shuttles and set the autodestruct to immediately cause a core breech in the matter-antimatter reactor and warp core. Nothing could survive that. It would be a heluva blast!
mre2u2 6 months ago
Well, as long as Borg as stupid were stupid enough to try to bring a captured ship onboard their own vessel, the easiest way to destroy them would be early on evacuate into escape pods and shuttles and set the autodestruct to immediately cause a core breech in the matter-antimatter reactor and warp core. Nothing could survive that. It would be a heluva blast!
mre2u2 6 months ago
isnt the borg the same as sg wraith? with slight differences
longshot360 6 months ago
@longshot360 the wraith eat people like vampires. borg assimilate peeps and add them to their war machine.
Baseshocks 6 months ago
That game is badass.
Britoe97 7 months ago
Further addition to my other post. I think it is funny somehow attaching levels to a Universe or the races in such universes. So what is the Q power level then? I would assume there would not be one right since they are by definition omnipotent? Though I am sure like most of these arguments the Q will have to be left out. Overall the power of most ST races at their height of power exceed that of nearly every one of these universes. The time lords? LOL come on. ST universe time travels as easy.
CES2M3 7 months ago
I am a fan of all these different universes. However it is quite annoying how weak individuals seem to think all ships from the ST universe are. Most the fights usually end up taking away a ST ability as with the borg the ability to adapt. Further the borg vs the Alterans (ancients) as a war would be a joke. The numbers alone would be auto-win for the borg, which then would mean the borg will possess all the ancients pre-ascended at least. The bias is just rather funny.
CES2M3 7 months ago
Borg would rip the ancients a new asshole if somehow they both were real and were to fight. Hell a single Aurora class ship vs the borg is a joke, SG fans who can not see past anything SG areof the same joke. The borg cub would just keep flying right into the Aurora class ship and just keep going. Usually with these types of arguments I ask what universes rules. But really when you use the borg as the ST team and one Aurora for SG it does not matter the cube every time over the Aurora class.
CES2M3 7 months ago
@CES2M3 you my dear friend don't seem to understand that both universes have their weaknesses and strenghts. To be honest if both would goto war I wouldn't want to be in between because even though the borg can make more of them selves the asurans would win because they are nanite's and only some are really human. The ones you were referring to were the Lanteans who created the asurans and if the lanteans were still alive after the wraith-lantean war they would be...........Unstoppable.
LightGuardian23 7 months ago
@LightGuardian23 No I am referring to the lanteans, and they would not be unstoppable. Yes The borg are going to be afraid of nanites, yea they clearly know nothing about that. IF it was actual borg vs the Lanteans, the Borg would simply outnumber them. But hey there are always those super fanboys of other sci-fi shit, who have some sort of thing against trek. I do not give a damn about trek SG-1 or any other sci-fi genre. However one must realize the borg and their relentlessness.
CES2M3 7 months ago
the voice in the beggining reminds me of mass effect 1&2
gaminggalor 7 months ago
Tha Ancients would probably win. They would just have to fire up some drones and wipe the Borg out.
Cyclonus84 8 months ago
sajuuk vs borg cube witch wins
u45uify 8 months ago
first i though it was the transformers cube :)
hunter4death 8 months ago
what is iwth the sound, when nothing is happening it sounds like its firing 10000 torpedos at once, and when you see it fire a torpedo nothing?
AElektraZ87 8 months ago
hmmm the drones would fuck up that cube sooo much more then what the borg could do... :S
darkfenix898 8 months ago
what about the ancient ship's return fire?
tnphysics 8 months ago
A borg cube wouldn't last 10 seconds against drones!
hyffuguyftg 9 months ago 27
@hyffuguyftg i'd argue that phasers beat drones, not to mention that borg cubes have about as much shield as atlantis does (albeit zpm give more power that mater antimatter colision does)
namekman01 4 months ago
@hyffuguyftg
In ship per ship...true, but may I remind that Ancients ultimately failed against less sophisticated, but similar in some principles, Wraith...
AnteyPL 3 months ago
@AnteyPL Because there were shit tons of the Wraith, they overwelmed them with sheer numbers, the Borg are powerful Ill give them that but they're weak as shit compared to Drones, the difference in the Wraith and the Ancients is that the Wraith use energy weapons (More or less infinate ammo) The Ancients had to build Drones and the Wraith cloning plants made it impossible for them to make enough for the amount of Wraith that were.
hyffuguyftg 3 months ago
@hyffuguyftg
Wraith didn't have nanoprobes and there were at least as much shitload of Borg, as Wraith. They just (usually) adapted quicker and are more survivable. Actually, Borg, Voth, 8472 and Q are only races from Star Trek which approach (or surpass) capabilities of Replicators, Asgard, Wraith and Ancients respectively. Others, including humans were lagging behind (eg. Federation was far, far behind Tollans).
AnteyPL 3 months ago
@AnteyPL come on...they failed cause it was in THE SCRIPT...damn...I thought Trekkies were bad...wow...
acerr40 2 months ago
@hyffuguyftg No. But the next one would have adapted, and would be totally immune.
GreyTH 2 months ago 6
@GreyTH
The borg can only adapt to energy weapon wavelengths more physical weapons will still harm them
Dwavenhobble 1 month ago
@Dwavenhobble They're The Borg, so they've got thousands of civilizations research on weapons technology. I doubt it would take them long to determine how to use their own energy weapons as a point defense mechanism and destroy the Ancient drones mid-flight. At the very least, it would lead them to a stalemate until they learned enough to defeat the ship, and subsequently the rest of the Anicents. (The Borg are just one big trial and error computer after all.)
GreyTH 1 month ago
@GreyTH Thousands of civilizations vs 1 million years of tech. I'm sure the drones themselves have been developed to be point defense proof. In fact that might be why in a usual salvo there are thousands of them.
miack84 1 month ago
at 3:06 I wanted the last 3:06 minutes of my life back
TeamBlackster 9 months ago
can the borg cube adapt to phasers too?
ninjacon64 9 months ago
@ninjacon64 yes
heathfiedler 8 months ago
@heathfiedler ooooooohhhhhhh
ninjacon64 8 months ago
@ninjacon64 thats why star fleet always had to rotate their phaser settings so the borg wouldn't adapt right away.
heathfiedler 8 months ago
@heathfiedler thanks
ninjacon64 8 months ago
@ninjacon64 yes, duh...
darkfenix898 8 months ago
@darkfenix898 my apologies I don't watch star trek 24/7
ninjacon64 8 months ago
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How can I use the mods in this game?
Stargate how I got v2 and what they do?
He gave me some files I copied the game and what I do then?
When you open the game does not see anything different, like how do you go?
Should I ship it in this video?
What are the steps you need to do?
Please tell me know.
petrica1987alex 9 months ago
or Borg v. Daleks!
Shaden0040 9 months ago
you should do Borg v. Replicators from SG-1
Shaden0040 9 months ago
well if the ancient ship is equipped with a chair / zpm / drone platform the borg torpedoes would never hit and i'm fairly sure ancient shields are capable of absorbing the phaser intensity of a borg ship for several days with a full power zpm
so it would be a slaughter!
FirewallAndFlush 10 months ago 2
where do you get these stargat spce ship game they look cool
Zack0944 10 months ago
Is this an online game or a console game? It doesn't really matter which, because I want to get it either way.
JediMasterJD996 10 months ago
@JediMasterJD996 Star Trek Bridge Commander - PC
VocalIntuition 10 months ago
Ehm according to the stargate wiki an ancient warship was between 3000 and 3500 meters long. A Borg bue is around 2000 meter each side so the ancient warship would be bigger.
The question who would win - i think the Borg the ancients were the greatest pussies in all of sci fi history.
First: Kicked out of their galaxy by the Ori
Second: Killed by a plage send to them by the Ori in our Galaxy.
Third: Wiped out by the wraith in the Pegasus galaxy.
3 Galaxies lost thats a new record!
Denorius01 10 months ago
@Denorius01 well I'm sorry if I sound rude just kinda a fan of SG its just, 1. the ancients were kicked out by the wraith because they were less of a army they only were basicly peaceful and didn't want to fight at all so they were little in numbers (don't believe me then watch SGA episode 20 of season 1 (I think it was the one). 2. Yes the Ori sent a plage to them put imagine our worlds plage, which wiped out a lot of people before the cure was found, and last I don't recall that happening
LightGuardian23 9 months ago
Now this makes sense. Would probably be easier than that, but the outcome was never really in doubt(TF2 Spy quote). A hatak lasts 10 hours in the sun.
nerfbattothefacelol 10 months ago
use the Yamato next time, the wave motion gun will destroy the Borg.
jude1c9v 11 months ago
If only the modded SG ships in STBC had the actual fire patterns of the SG ships. Giant swarms of drones would be so much more awesome...
SG14ever 11 months ago
please
deltamp787 11 months ago
what ship was that ? not a star trek ship obviously
Paulus2084 11 months ago
@Paulus2084 SG i think :)
VocalIntuition 11 months ago
a zpm powered shield can withstand DAYS of sustained fire even covering an area the size of Atlantis according to the SG mythos, so frankly it wouldn't be a battle at all.
even if it didn't have one, the Borg cubes have no defence against the drone swarm weapons, they even often miss relatively large manned craft, it would just be a massacre!
and Borg request you stand down, because it is more efficient than wasting energy or destroying technology
FirewallAndFlush 1 year ago
can u imagine if the aurara class hade a ZPM
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
An Ancient Warship would easily destroy a Borg Cube, Drone weapons would slice it up like nothing
NANOFORGE 1 year ago 2
my strategy is going at full speed and crush the warship against the cube
that would destroy the ship but what do i care
LocutusBorgOf 1 year ago
Was the Star Trek Bridge commander?
jtm2nd 1 year ago
we are the borg resistance is futile
MegaUnknown43 1 year ago 5
I don't care how much the borg regenerate. Shoot 100+ drones at anything and it goes KABOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Renji9031 1 year ago
Why do the borg explain what they're doing? It shouldn't matter other than for the audience.
luno44 1 year ago
idiot needs better aim
mf5678 1 year ago
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Eat blaster trekkies!
gatorbubba26 1 year ago
Eat blaster trekkies!
gatorbubba26 1 year ago
Why are all startrek games so ugly?
ceridan01 1 year ago
@ceridan01 this one's excuse is that it was made in 2000. we modders are still working on this one.
anonymuswere 1 year ago
dont do the fly by view or anything like that , it kinda sucks and do i want to see the hull drop lol.
draven5149 1 year ago
if this wasn`t a game that ancient war ship would be borg in a matter of seconds but its good
worldofwarcraftman2 1 year ago
Star Trek will always have the most powerful race. Q.
Spotcats 1 year ago 3
@Spotcats
the ascended race in stargate is prity much the same thing as Q isn star trek
xxxxCronoxxxx 1 year ago
exseped for that non interferince rule
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
@Spotcats what about the asendent of stargate
mbos14 1 year ago
dam the borg ship lasted that long remind me tonever fight it with any thing eals but SG ships i just wish you had up the damage hud and stuff it makes it easer to make tatecks lol
thomasmiller1 1 year ago
@thomasmiller1 Actually didn't really need the damage HUD. The torpedoes don't really harm the shield at all...
bart416 1 year ago
@thomasmiller1 tactics just to let you know
Primex007 1 year ago
dam the borg ship lasted that long remind me tonever fight it with any thing eals but SG ships
thomasmiller1 1 year ago
the ancients would win vs anyhting in any other series, they are energy beings and can exist anywhere in time and space, if they where to be put into a class, a new class would have to be added above that of class 4, there is nothing an ancient cannot do with their powers, afterall they are the closest thing to true gods in and of the sci-fi series, its just they refuse to interfear with the lower planes of existance. Oh and their power grows when they gain followers from lower planes, scary.
sfliddie 1 year ago
@sfliddie
you know they can still be killed
xxxxCronoxxxx 1 year ago
why aren't you firing back?
ComicFanGreenLantern 1 year ago
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You people are a bunch of DORKS!
InfernoZ24 1 year ago
No games seem to get Borg cubes right, because none of them include the Borg's adaptive capability. Even drones would soon be unable to penetrate a Borg cube's shields; the Borg would analyze the drones as they were attacked by them, and using the biggest supercomputer in the universe - the collective - would develop a means of stopping them. The Federation is mostly lucky, not good at defeating the Borg.
Paragon19 1 year ago
@Paragon19 Maybe the gamedevelopers are scarred they would accidently develop an adaptive defense-system for PC-videogames that can later be used for special forms of viruses.^^
TOK150 1 year ago
because that cube didn't literally appear out of nowhere and i agree with everyone had it been a real alteran aurora class war ship...the cube would get raped
hyffuguyftg 1 year ago
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donnydeankelly 1 year ago
Cool die hatten keine changs gegen die Auroraklasse!!
Reaper120787 1 year ago
The Borg cube looks like the Ka'aba that Muslims are forced to prostrate toward five times a day, every day, to keep from paying the jizyah tax, or else.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
I wander what wold happen if you sent an Ori ship against the Borg?
fastzombie1 1 year ago
@fastzombie1 probably the same outcome as Species 8472 without the weakness
Ryac3 1 year ago
2 ancient ships would win if they fired all the drones like the episode when Anubis's ship get destroyed
fastzombie1 1 year ago
I want my three minutes back, please....
Patriotgal1 1 year ago
im not realy a star trek fan so dont know anything about those ships and when i saw that huge cube against that small ship the player controlled i was: "ohhh pour guy, hope he made a save..." but than again he stoud out preaty good...
was it a cheat or that litle ship is that strong ?
Fermadil 1 year ago
just enjoy them for what they are.. and yes it is kool to see the enterprise go up against a star destroyer, or the centauri go up against the galatica, its all cool, and wonder what would happen but stop getting into pissing contest over which is better they all got there advantages and disadvantages
BlackDart94 1 year ago
why is every one making a stink about which is better who whom can beet whom star wars or star trek , or stargate, or by or battle star glalatica, like honestly why are you all putting so much energy into saying which is better.. i got the sad truth they are all great shows, series, w/e.. it does not matter what can beat what.
BlackDart94 1 year ago
I's pretty ovbious that a Borg cube would win. Borg cubes are over 3km in length. Borg cube don't rely on shields either, Borg cubes have no bridges or engineering bays, no key systems to exploit. Borg cubs are like honeycombs and have multi layerd hulls made from Ablative and Regenerative hull materials. It would take thousands of Photons to destroy a Borg Cube. Borg Cubes can remain fuctional when 80% of it has been destroyed.
MrRuinaga 1 year ago
I'm mildly amused that someone knows so much about the theoretical statistical survivability of a Borg cube.
beaubrent 1 year ago
@MrRuinaga thats pretty much what the ancient drones are, each machine gun like shot was roughly the strength [at least 1/2 the power] of a photon torpedo
Lightman0359 1 year ago
@MrRuinaga y disable when they can destroy?
and just because its 3km doesnt mean that it would have a hard time to get destroyed. a hive ship is 3600 meters long. a barrage of drones easily distroyed it.
tyedgy 1 year ago
i very much doubt that an ancient ship is 3 km long
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 ? a wraith hive ship is 3600 meters long. in be all my sins rememberd you can compare the sizes of the ships.
tyedgy 1 year ago
BAMSR contradicts most other episodes in regards to ship scaling, which is far from consistent in stargate anyway.
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 the 3 km length is from sga: the dvd collections and bamsr seems to back it up.
tyedgy 1 year ago
the dvd collections are atrocious and not to be trusted. the majority of episodes depict the hives as being significantly larger than the daedalus and ancient ships.
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 whatever. the dvd collections are only things that actually tell you the size of those ships. unless you rely on visual calculations. and yes the hives are bigger than the daedalus.
tyedgy 1 year ago
yes, but if you use common sense, the dvd collections' measurements are completely absurd, for example they say a wraith cruiser is 2.5 km long, carries 20 hive ships, and weighs 6 tonnes. also, the 3km length for the ancient warship makes no sense, especially exemplified in the episode travelers.
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 adding the 2 long thingys at the end however it doesnt carry 20 hive ships(how the hell do you do that?)
tyedgy 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 my mistake a hive ship is 2950 meters long. not relying on the dvds means that the ship is at least 2600 meters long.
tyedgy 1 year ago
@ Thrytlind you said ancient technology level is above the asgard tech there is at least one evidence which proofs you claim wrong remember in the last ep of SG1 the with asgard tech refitet deadalus could fight ori battlecruises the asgard shields could withstand multiple hits of ori weapons fire but the blue energy beam could easily pierce the shields and armor of the ori battlecruisers and considereing there technology is comparable with the one of the ancients
corausr 1 year ago
@corausr they was only able two take multiple hit from ori weapons and pierce there shields and armor because they had a ZPM powering the ships shields and wepons and even than they was goin two lose they only live because they use a time dilation feild two slow time down and than fined a way out of being distoryed
donnydeankelly 1 year ago
@donnydeankelly so that means each ship whats powered by zpm is superior to those of ori origin? arent they supposed to be equal in everything including tech but you maybe right the zpm powered hive ship could easily wihtstand the blue asgard beam and drone fire but i really dont care its just a game each universe has its own rules and tech imo impossible to compare. Therefor i could say i would destroy an entire fleet consisting of ori, ancient and borg ships with one shimada bomb but i wont
corausr 1 year ago
@corausr what kind of thinking is that
tyedgy 1 year ago
oh btw the big zpm powered hive ship had the same qualty like an borg cube it could adapt really fast to weapons
corausr 1 year ago