Mike Gravel Discusses Gay Rights on 'Real Time'

[OEForty]

jesus people....don't respond to ywillburn. Ignore trolls! That guy WANTS negative responses. With no skills, talents, or ideas of his own its the only way he can get new messages in his inbox. Let idiots like that rot alone.

[ywillburn]

go back into the closet and them set it on fire!!!!! salem queer trials 2010!!!!! lolollololo

[lulz666f]

@ywillburn

UZ B TROLLIN! D:

[toddles9]

LOOOVE Mike Gravel. Never heard of him until today. Finally, an older politician who 'gets it'!

''It's our culture that drives them into the closet.'' 100%, spot-on. So refreshing to hear.

Gravel for President.

[ywillburn]

KILL THOSE SEXUAL DEVIANTS!!!!! GAY =A.I.D.S.= DEATH = HELL!!!!! ANY QUESTION YOU SODOMNITES??????? BURN IN HELL FAGS!!!!! GOD HATES YOU!!!

[Richy15251]

@ywillburn wow are you serious? or are you just a troll?

[arachnophile01]

@ywillburn "ANY QUESTIONS SODOMNITES?" ooh, ooh, I have one. What's a Sodomnite? And I have another question, what's wrong with your caps lock key? And let me check your math, oh, you forgot to carry the lesbianism into Jesus place, not all gay people have AIDS and not all deaths result in Hell, in fact God is only mildly annoyed with sexual deviants, what he hates are judgemental internet assholes.

[idaman12345]

@ywillburn actually not all gay people get aids

god = fake

[gravel2008]

"There's nothing wrong with the sex. It's the problem of their hypocrisy. They need to come out of the closet. Then they'd be normal."

[assault82nd]

@katuru1 Don't get me wrong I don't hate them, I do not agree with their lifestyle and the girly men factor but I do not agree with marriage. That should be left between man and a woman. They also need to quit trying to force people to love and accept them also with legislators and politics it is wrong, that is like the preacher condemning his congregation if they don't accept Jesus it is wrong.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Actually it's more like a preacher condemning his congregation for violent acts and harassment based on "accepting Jesus."

This world would be a lot better if we could all love each other regardless of our characteristics, but all gay people want is protection from extremists who are seriously out to hurt them.

Also, if you don't agree with gay marriage, don't get a gay marriage. This isn't YOUR country, others have to live here, too. Try to be fair.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai This is not your country either, it is American's country which I am an American. Love each other, ok well that will never happen and you know it. Also they can get a civil union under law they do not have to call it marriage or have two grooms or two brides it is not right and does not fit and you know it. If you always turn the other cheek and say oh well nothing ever gets done. The world is not fair and does not need to be. Protection where is my protection? so they deserve more.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Excuse me? Have you been beaten for being a homophobe? Have you had your life threatened? Have you lost custody of your kids? Were you barred from your dying partners room because state officials did not recognize your union? How fucking dare you act like a victim? You make me sick.

Civil Unions are not and will never be equal to marriage. And you can't keep gay people from marrying anyway, they do it now. This issue is legally recognizing gay marriage, legally protecting it.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Well well poor them, the bleeding lives on. I will say this that is terrible that possibly happened but still the fact still remains that these individuals do not deserve anymore attention then anyone else, they just need to get their civil union and stay out of marriage. Marriage is not between a man or man or woman or woman. Take it as you want but I am starting to think you may be a gay person, I am not a homophobe but just not a supporter of their agenda.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Protection because they are homosexual? please they want protection then they should either learn to fight or buy a gun. They do not deserve any more attention then everyone else it is like if you are straight and oppose gay marriage and gay life then you are evil and therefore should be silenced. I confess for I have sinned I am a practicing heterosexual man. This crap is crazy liberals go to another country and try and socialize fairness.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd BTW, if you do believe that stupid book, you are totally going to hell. Jesus said if you look upon a woman with desire in your heart, you have committed adultery. He then said you should cut out your eye, for it is better to discard that body part than for your entire body to burn in hell for eternity. Crazy shit right?

Grow up, learn responsibility, drop the book and learn to enjoy life.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Ahh there you go again. calling out names to better your argument lets stay on topic. Have you been beaten on the head? Ok now to important matters, you call it a book, well I call homosexuality a perverted choice same logic. I am going to hell? wow look who assumed athority over my fate. Wow learn not to judge man, also in the Bible he said homosexuality is sexually immoral and an abomination. I am going on personal facts and beliefs to my own intelllect ot the bible.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd I never assumed authority over anything, I'm telling you what your book teaches(or at least what I assumed was your book). If the bible isn't part of this conversation then I really can't understand why you're so against giving others equal rights. Homosexuality is NOT a choice, you can't CHOOSE who you fall in love with. That's ridiculous.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai The bible is God's word yes but do I follow it head to toe no because some things do not apply to this age. I have a relationship with my Father in heaven which is between me not a church although I go to church for fellowship. My position on gay marriage is that it is a matter of social and societal order and normalcy which two men and two women beign pronounced united under law and God is not right in my opinion and view.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai I see your argument the why don't you let them do what they want to, well you have to level with me do you see two women and t. wo men in a wedding scenario as normal? please answer this question I do not hate the people I discourage the prctice, and by what scientific means is our assumption proven that homosexuality is not a choice?

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd More importantly, this is a legal issue. This is not a moral issue. Again, you can't stop me from marrying some random guy I meet on the street, I could go do that RIGHT NOW. This has nothing to do with that. The matter is over civil rights, equal protection under the government and law. Religion has no play in this, morale has no play in this, it's a legal issue. You have got to stop thinking of the government as a way of enforcing your morale code, that's not what it's for.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Legal issue, what is legal about it that gays want the title of marriage, why is that important to you? religion or morale has no place in the spectrum. Well morale has everything to do with the Law as much as in life and that is a fact seeing as i study the law I should know. You want to go marry someone fine, go to CT. CA WA do it. be an example. I will say this yous eem to think I am trying to stop you from beign gay, no I am trying to stop the agenda from spreading to gain

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai title of marriage.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Listen to me. Gay people already have the title of marriage, everywhere. Anyone can have the title of marriage, I could marry my computer right now, and could call it marriage, and no one in the U.S. could stop me. I just wouldn't have the legal protections that come with being legally recognized as married, and in the case of marrying a computer, I shouldn't. But in the case of marrying another consenting adult, that protection is necessary. Gay people want EQUAL rights, not more.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai You still circled my question answer the question asked to you. Does two grooms and two brides seem normal to you?

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Your question is illegitimate. Does it seem "normal" to me for two lovers to want to get married? Absolutely. But again, there was a time in this world when marriage didn't exist. There was a time when marriage was one person giving the property of his daughter to another. Normal is based on context, you can't use that for any kind of moral or legal judgement.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Answer the question as stated and quit placing extra information into the answer, I did not ask about marriages start date I asked if it seemed normal to you to see two women and two men in a marriage setting. Yes or no simple answer.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Yes.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Ok so you feel one man in a suit and one man in another suit and two women in dresses look normal at the altar. You see this is what society has ddone to the values and morals of this nations founding. You want acceptance for the perversion so you will disregard logic reason and moral values. My friend I would seek help, also if you only said that to spite me because you did not want me to be right it is ok speak up now.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd Reasoning and logic? Please tell me your reasoning and logic. If I need to learn this, please teach me.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai My logic is that one man and one woman is the right way, reproductive, stabilization and normalcy is the right approach to this life. Not the flipside, saying oh Gays can marry two men and two women, that does not fit in the normal spectrum and I believe you know that. Take jeffrey marshall for example a son of two lesbian mothers who adopted him he is confused,distraught and unsure of what is normal in the world.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd No-no, that's not logic. You supplied no valid reasoning why marriage is between a man and a woman. Not everyone reproduces, a stable lifestyle is available to anyone, even a minority as long as they aren't inhibited by homophobes like you(remember what I said about protection?), and for the last time, normal is relative. Besides, since when is normal a morale value? I suppose next you're going to say divorce is good just because it's normal in the U.S.?

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Hmm, no logic, well that is because imply you do not see things from the mindset that I do. You see things from your point of you which you are entitled to eblieve what you want. At the end of the day we are going to believe differently when we die and meet the creator if he sends the practicing gays to hell then I was right in my perception if not youa re fair enough.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd I don't agree with that, I have reasoning and logic behind my view, and even though I've just give reason to counter yours, you give no further reason why you still believe that.

But this brings me back to my original point. I don't care what you believe, you can think gays are going to hell if you want, I think religious people are nuts. But we both have to live here, and I'm not stomping on your religious rights, so don't stomp on someones freedom to love. Live and let live.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Yes you have been trying to step on my rights such as legislating protection, and pushing a gay agenda in schools. I am a sexual libertarian whcih means do what you want just don't publicise it and bother me and other people like me with it. You try and try and try to push your protection from the very scary bullies you refuse to fight. America is not here to protect you only you can protect you.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai You want logic I gave my logic behind my viewpoint, men and women reproduce which leads to a baby. What is the purpose of the unity of two men and two women nothing, just sexual pleasure and a love that shouldn't have happened that is pure logic. It is a union that isn't correct or normal and you know that. Judging from your circling of my question you believe what I do but just don't want me to be right.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai WHat logic is behind yor point? nothing just love eachother is all. You ahve stated no purpose in life for it nor have you backed your claims p I have my friend. I think radicals such as you are the pure destrction of a nation, on the social order. Yo force your respect on people what kind of sign is that to us? I'll tell you what it is it is a sign you want to force us to like you and not say mean things to you. Freedom of speech I'll say what I want.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai I do not care what you believe on this issue because at the end of the day, you choose to say that morale or logical reason have no place in the law. Thus means you just want to do what you want to do whether it is moral or not. So by saying this I believe I have shown you the truth and I will leave at that. You want to be gay go ahead just keep your shit off my radio, news and everywhere else.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd What you're saying is absolutely ridiculous, this argument is over. Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. You gave me your reasoning behind thinking love is between a man and a woman, but I gave an argument which made your reasoning invalid, yet you still say that same thing, expecting a different result. You are clinically insane. I can't argue with someone like that.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai oh no I offended the little gay man too bad for me. I tried ending this argument earlier and you contined to say you gave reasoning and I did ot which is why I bactracked the whole argument to show where I did back my claims up.Pretty much you have been owned in every respect how I figure this is because if you are conservative you think with a mindset similar to mine, you are liberal so of course I'd be insane to your hippy ass.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai What argument have you given? nothing you ahve said nothing but respect for your people this whole time. I read your profile apparently you believe cross dressing is cool too. So I think you are the one who is insane my friend.Especially if you think two brides and two grooms is normal.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Oh and a man once described hell as a place where there is no reason and you my friend drag everyone in contact with you to hell.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai No You missed my point a man and a woman is what is meant to be not the same sex do you understand? Divorce is bad, but under the pretence of adultery and death can one be rid of the other.I sense your liberal sarcasm.

[assault82nd]

@assault82nd Continued... He has tried committing suicide on numerous accounts although unexcusable behavior it is saddening his mothers choice has led to this much disruption in a young childs brain. These relationships more than likely have the same effects on all children just not hown as much. Now on to other matters when you speak as if straight people have marriage why can't we there was purpose for the unity of a man and woman

[assault82nd]

@assault82nd The phrase god created adam and eve not adam and steve. Yous ee there are two sexes for a reason, and the homosexual tendenciy is not apart of normal day society it is abnormal in its entirety and for you to suggest oh let two people marry is just pure fact you believe in nothing more than perversion of the norms.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Equal protection, where where is my protection for my future children from gay and lesbian agendas in school, public displays of homosexual activity and the oh it is cool to be gay things going on today? You still have refrained from answering my question does two grooms and two brides look normal in a wedding two men and two women, do not advert from thsi question answer it already.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Why do you try and circle the facts with religion and morality have no say in the subject, you are a selfish sick human being with only your best interest in mind. Legislating your protection and respect is very selfish. You are scared frightened learn to fight with your hands or buy a knife or pistol but quit using the federal government as a way to bring forth your liberation in society and protect you from bullies learn to fight verbally and physically.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai How about raising children? you need both the father and the mother who are upstanding individuals, not two men and two women that is sending a mixed message don't you agree. or are you in favor of experimentation to prove that a productive and normal child can be produced under such means?

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai On the love not being a choice factor you can choose who you itneract and engage conversation with. I am not negating the fact that it is a genuine love but it is a love that should not have happened

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd The "experiments" on children raised by gays has already been done, gay people DO raise children, and they are just like any other children. What's more, gay people are offsetting the large amount of adoptions that straight people cause.

Normal by definition is subject to context. It was normal for men to wear powdered wigs during colonial times, it was normal for black people to be slaves not too long ago.

The scientific evidence is in hormones and genetics. It's all be proven.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Not so fast it has not been proven yet. I know what you're talking of but it has not been proven it is still a theory.

[Tokorai]

@assault82nd There was a experiment where they played around with the hormones of lab rats, and found that they could make the lab rats gay or straight by altering the hormones during infancy.

More importantly, I have to stress this again, you cannot choose what you're attracted to.

For example, I identify as asexual. That means that while I have a sex drive, I have no sexual attraction to other people. I could CHOOSE to have sex with someone, but I would hate it, so why do it?

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai I am interested to know why you defend this agenda. Well only in certain states my friend will it be legally recognized, I have not wished these individuals to hell, but you seem to condemn me why because I do not agree with you? Seems my assumption is right if you are not a humanist and believe in God the creator whatever then you are evil and therefore shunned from society. Do not use words froma book so to speak that you do not follow.

[assault82nd]

@Tokorai Do not assume you know me we come from two different backgrounds and the last thing you are entitled to tell me is that I need to grow up and learn responsibility.

[assault82nd]

@katuru1 I do not care what they do in their own home, but to treat marriage in a way that is biblical in every respect and try to legislate respect for Homosexuals; goes as far as to say freedom of expression for people who do not want to see it is being suppressed. If you try and bring perversion into marriage it creates problems on religion and society.

[fauxindigo]

@assault82nd considering straight people have done so much to degrade the institution of marriage, it is truly insulting for you to say that gay marriage=perversion. Two people who love each other committing their lives to one another is nothing near perversion!! Get your mind out of the gutter- not everything is about SEX!!! Everywhere I look, straight ppl are F*cking up marriage in SO many ways!

& have u ever heard of something called separation of church and state?! LOOK IT UP!

[Zegon976]

I sure do miss you Gravel. You were the only truth-teller in this election.

[sirdaveysockrocker]

thats so true haha. larry craig the politician forced larry craig the guy into the airport bathroom! XP if larry craig the politician was coo with it then larry craig the man couldve had a normal sex life. idiot larry craig.

[flarkfucky]

This started with Christianity attacking people's most cherished and personal aspects of their being: sexuality, self-image, self-worth, self-respect, and objectivity. Since our culture is primarily a Christian culture it is no surprise that people like Larry Craig are hypocrites.

[Blechoz]

the funny thing is that the bible doesnt criticize homosexuality, it only criticizes heterosexuals who have sex with the same sex, at least from what i gather.

Plus what ever happened to love your neighbour?

honestly thesefundies are not good Christians they are hate mongers

[aussieguy2109]

@Blechoz depends on what your definition of a good christian is?

[aussieguy2109]

@Blechoz actually it criticises homosexual activity.

[Tokorai]

@Blechoz The bible(Jesus, specifically) also supports slavery, killing and beating your slaves, oppressing women to not speak up in church, not be teachers, or have any power over a man, and I think somewhere Jesus said that the old testament is not up for interpretation, so all that shellfish and beating women who let themselves get raped is all true Christian goodness.

[wassagensie]

Geen as if gay people couldnt wait to have sex in the privacy iof their homes!

After all, that´s why America is so fucked up!

[mrmayor92]

this dudes fucking awesome

[lagvier]

i have thought of such idea for long mind tell me much about it

[Tasadaru]

I respect you Mike. Even though I'm going with Ron Paul I have much respect for you. Please Mike supporters do not let Hillary or the other democrats win.

[Tasadaru]

He would leave the abortion issue to the states. I believe that the states would have some sympathy for those who need abortion. For example, I see nothing wrong with having abortion in the cases of rape, health of the mother, etc. The federal gov't now is so dumb, that is why I'm with Ron. There are thing I don't agree with, but at least he's not a neocon.

[Blechoz]

the thing I find funny is that people assume criminilzing abortions would stop abortions.

it wouldnt, you would just get back alley and unhealthy abortions like vera drake

[Blechoz]

i think he said though that he would criminalize abortion or ban it. he said states should handle that, but whatever.

i respect Ron paul for not letting the personal thoughts that should remain private influence his views on civil liberties

[uterfan]

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[tubetrekker30]

You talk sense, Gravel... about everything. I trust you.

[shaitanlavey]

Why do you CARE what others do with thier lives? You live your life and shut the f*ck up.

[andysnadden]

Allowing gays to marry does in no way diminish the sanctity of marriage. It's about love, comittment, caring, honesty, protecting, providing, growing together, teaching and learning from each other. It has absolutely nothing to do with where someone puts their private parts. Nothing. Period.

[Tokorai]

@jdurham70 So...you're saying that when homosexuals want equal rights, the same rights that heterosexuals have, that they are actually saying they want the right to be pedophiles. Are you implying that straight people are pedophiles? Is there something you would like to share with us?

[miket1m4]

I fought in Vietnam, almost died numerous times. I come home and I'm met at the airport, spit on and called a baby killer. Some pervert "comes out of the closet" says he's gay and people smile and say he's so brave. Whats wrong with this picture. All liberals must hang!

[truthout911]

Sure you did!! and madonna is still a virgin. That is right propaganda crap that used to justify war. Stop LYING!!

[indicatoto101]

What's wrong with that picture is that you're lying out of your teeth.

[Tokorai]

@miket1m4 What's wrong with this picture? The fact that you probably don't realize that guy fighting along side you was gay, and he had to hide it for fear of his allies turning against him, all just to go through the crap you did.

[globalgringo]

Agreed and hopefully middle America can get with modern times.

But the gay lobby is taking many things way too far and pissing off the general public and hurting the gay cause. Marriage and the military are two wars you cannot win for many reasons. Gays need to fight the battles that they can win.

Choosing the wrong battles hurts the cause and sets back years of progress.

[globalgringo]

Gays already have rights and always have. As an American citizen you were born with rights.

Gays have their own neighborhoods, restaurants, bars, their own flag, now you want your own set of rights?

How about joining the family of man and becoming Americans first, gays second?

Afterall, being gay can't be the only thing you have to offer this world.

[Suz45]

Until gays stop getting beaten up/killed for no other reason than sexual orientation,until housing and job discrimination because of it stops,until people accept that "don't ask dont tell" was just a way station in a fight for equality,while gays and straights die side-by-side in battle,why shouldnt they be pissed?

Only thing "they" have to offer? Of course not,but discrimination is discrimination,which makes it wrong. Period.

[rocein]

Unfortunately for me, your ignorance isnt that shocking. But really, why dont you educate yourself before making moronic comments like this.

[globalgringo]

Truth is ignorance when one disagrees.

[Ladycroft144]

bisexual and underrepresented croft SUPPORTS GRAVEL!

[cleftronix]

Ron Paul is the only person who can get us out of the messes we are in. Nobdoy else will be able to pull this country out of the fire...most of them like Hillary, Obama, Giulianni, it's buisness as usual.

[PersonalJesus348]

I agree with the last half of your statement. Many of the Frontrunners int his capign currently are not adequate to handle the huge mess we have.

[wreckerpecker]

Remember to show and remind people to do a little research on all the candidates. Then you can point out the business as usual part and have them become a messenger as well. I am glad that I see less blatant cheering for a particular person. Yes, I agree, business as usual. However, I think either Gravel or Paul would do well. I could go camp and be spiritual with Gravel though.

[eekdog2005]

naughty Clinton, naughty Bush, Both parties are the same scum. The elite control this country and your media sells you the same frauds. Break the trend! Vote for real change america!

[reyes5912]

I hope Mike Gravel and Ron Paul join together to fix America. The thing is we need them to join together more than ever because it seems that America is slipping more and more.

[travishenrichs]

If that fails, we then join together as Americans and take it back, with or without a presidential candidate. I'm just hoping that if they don't get elected, the movement we have going right now won't diminish. I think if the founders were alive today armed revolt would have been taking place years ago.

[doubleaamazin]

Not only that, but they would hang Bush and all the others guilty of treason.

[PersonalJesus348]

I doubt that could happen. They're both a breath of fresh air for both parties. But lets not mix up the fact that Mike is a Liberal, and Ron is a conservative.

This empowerment of the people won't bode well for the small government philosophy.

[westphalianprinz]

That's exactly right. I'd rather have the people empowered than "small government" nonsense. How many people died in Katrina because of the "small government" ethos.

[PersonalJesus348]

well said.

[doubleaamazin]

Please dont get sucked into the liberal vs conservative nonsense. Democrats and Republicans are all in on the takeover of America. They use the con vs lib propaganda to confuse you. Mike walks his own path.

[PersonalJesus348]

Conservatism and liberalisn are different philosophies when it comes to government. There's nothing to get "sucked into".

Now the fact that the democratic party hasn't done much to stop the war in iraq or gave Bush more powers to spy. That's no lie.

But get it straight.  Ron Paul is very much a conservative and wishes to make government small. And Mike Gravel is very liberal since his policies warrant a government having a bigger role.

[doubleaamazin]

So tell me what is conservative about George Bush? Those terms are used way too loosely these days. And yes I agree that Ron Paul is about the only true conservative I have ever seen, But Im voting for Mike Gravel. He wants to let YOU make laws. F the government. Power to the people baby!!

[truthout911]

Oh and you think the privitizing govt will. You boy Paul is a member of the John Birch society as well. Empowerment of the people is the only way to take charge of our destiny. Rep govt will not do it for you, and that includes Ron Paul.

[PersonalJesus348]

he wants to keep the Medical Insurance in the private sector. A very conservative ideal.

[truthout911]

Which explains the mess you have right now. He wants to privitize the FAA and Soc Sec. No thanks with that. Paul is a walking diaster.

[PersonalJesus348]

yes exactly. Though I admire his need to stay with the parties platform and not with the psuedo platform Bush has created for the party.

[doubleaamazin]

Thats right, power to the people!! The only thing, is we cannot let the mainstream media control the peoples views on various issues, so everybody please educate yourself and others!!

[doubleaamazin]

Liberal and conservative are terms really tossed around as a tool for propaganda purposes. There is nothing conservative about the so called conservatives. However, Ron Paul is one of the only true conservatives I have seen. But Im still voting for Mike.

[mde2004]

go gravel, impeach Mr George bush. I can't wait for elections.

[doubleaamazin]

If we make it to the elections. Probabally be another "terorist" attack and an invasion of Iran before then.

[travishenrichs]

Haha, yeah.

[doubleaamazin]

I spelled terrorist wrong

[CampHazzard]

Everyone talks about the guts it takes to march for a union... How about the guts it takes to march for gay pride!?! Gravel is a hero. Finally, someone with common sense and love gets pissed off enough to do something to protect both.