@kwt1976 either you are very ignorant or just very indoctrinated. Do you really think that no other arts&styles except muay thai have knees and jumping knees?
@kolsyrade it is taken from muay thai. low kicks and knees in kyokushin didn't exist until oyama took his fighters to thailand. the karateka won, but from then on kyokushin incorporated new techniques. this isn't to knowck on kyokushin - ALL martial arts evolve and grow, and without a doubt, they cross-pollinate and borrow techniques from other martial arts. it's like how nak muays now know how to box properly thanks to western boxing.
@ubersum1 Sorry but you are wrong. Lowkicks and knees both existed in kyokushin long before the famous MT vs kyokushin challenge, it existed before it adopted the name kyokushin and was just Oyama dojo. Indeed, it existed in the goju ryu dojo oyama trained in before he left to form what today is kyokushin. The challenge may have brought more focus to the them, but they most definitely existed.
I am all for crosstraining, but Muay thai did not influense kyokushin as much as some like to believe.
@kolsyrade there is no doubt that the low kicks and knees of muay thai opened up the eyes of many, when muay thai became popular. i prefer kyokushin, heck even taekwondo, but i recognise that many aspects of modern martial arts are influenced by their counterparts. the techniques may have existed, technically, but that's like saying that (for example) tkd has a heck load of punches and takedowns. it DOES, but it's only recently that fighters have begun to care about them.
@kolsyrade i mean let's look at it for what it is. nake muays these days are throwing back kicks and axe kicks, and are learning how to box. karateka are throwing an immense amount of non-linear kicks that according to my shotokan friend would not have existed just some 50 years ago. tkd guys are incorporating western boxing. judoka are brushing up their grappling. wing chun folks are doing roundhouse kicks. i think it's appropriate to say that times change, and so does everything else (!)
@ubersum1 As I said, I am all for crosstraining. but it is just that in this instance the influence from muay thai has been greatly exaggerated.
Just as it is easy to find axekicks and back kicks if you look at Muay boran (see my vid on "muay thai boran kata"), it is easy to find knees and lowkicks in kyokushins origins. Looking at a book from one of oyama´s teacher in gojuryu, yamaguchi, I find both knee´s and lowkicks (and shin blocks) -so why would Oyama have to learn them later from MT?
@kolsyrade i'm not insulting your martial art. i accept that maybe these techniques existed, just like there are hundreds of punches in tkd, and thousands of grappling manoeuvres in judo, and goodness knows what else. the point is that they were not emphasized as much as they are today. it's a combination of sparring evolution and outside influences that dictate what techniques martial artists use today. it means lots of techs are borrowed, and it really doesn't matter - it's just natural.
@ubersum1 Lots of posts, so ill just reply to all of them with this.
And yes adapting and "borrowing" is not only natural -it is necessary to not stagnate and hidebound..
"I have not allowed myself to be ignorant of any martial art. Such ignorance is a disgrace to someone who follows the martial arts" -Oyama
Its just that in this case, contrary to popular belief, lowkicks and knees in kyokushin are not copied from muay thai, as they were already taught to Oyama in earlier karate.
@kolsyrade we probably won't end up agreeing, but my final point is that i believe it's a credit to each martial art that they've managed to borrow techniques and managed to make it their own. i think it's a credit to all martial arts that they're constantly evolving with the times, by adding to their arsenals, and then incorporating them with unique mechanics. unlike krav maga which for example just shamelessly pillages other martial arts. i think it's a good thing that MAs copy and adapt.
ive been really into kyokushin lately, im considering to add it to my boxing, it would cover my standup pretty well i think, people often deem muay thai to be more effective because of its lethal knees and bludgeoning roundhouse.. the roundhouse is no concern since it can be practiced and utilised in kyokushin also i suppose, but what about clinching? does anyone know?
The main problem in crosstraining kyokushin as second art is the initial time required for formal basics.
Most kyokushin factions do not allow clinch. Some do, but it is rare. However, you might want to take a look at Shidokan karate. In style there is not much difference from kyokushin as it is a kyokushin offshoot. But in competition rules they allow clinch and throws.
Take a look at youtube video v=RUnCJG5TNnM (I got another shidokan video uploaded, but that is not shidokan basic rules)
Kyokushin guys and Muay thai guys have faced each other often enough. Kyokushin guys usually win under karate rules. muay thai guys usually win under MT rules. Under more generic kickboxing rules both hold their own.
Is it effective? yes! Do you need to be Andy Hug to use it. No. Kyoku. is known to create tough fighters
Kyokushin has variants of roundhouse similar to "basic" muay thai, just as muay thai has versions similar to "basic" kyokushin
Do you clinch in a street fight NO. Well check out the videos nothing really to learn from clinching other than throwing in a few elbows and knees.. and with kicks its just very powerful and no combinations..Check out in MMA like the best fighters Andy Hug , Philo and lyoto machidi :) get a good master and train hard
where i come from this is just called knocking someone the fck out
cheeco8 1 month ago
Pure Kyokushin!
hvmt 1 month ago
This guy got bounce!
elizzle28 7 months ago
holy smokes
nemurad 7 months ago
3 ppl who disliked must of been knocked out by flyin knee
matty1827 10 months ago
tese movies are taken from muay thai and they just change the name of the moves
kwt1976 1 year ago
@kwt1976 either you are very ignorant or just very indoctrinated. Do you really think that no other arts&styles except muay thai have knees and jumping knees?
kolsyrade 1 year ago 12
@kolsyrade it is taken from muay thai. low kicks and knees in kyokushin didn't exist until oyama took his fighters to thailand. the karateka won, but from then on kyokushin incorporated new techniques. this isn't to knowck on kyokushin - ALL martial arts evolve and grow, and without a doubt, they cross-pollinate and borrow techniques from other martial arts. it's like how nak muays now know how to box properly thanks to western boxing.
ubersum1 3 months ago
@ubersum1 Sorry but you are wrong. Lowkicks and knees both existed in kyokushin long before the famous MT vs kyokushin challenge, it existed before it adopted the name kyokushin and was just Oyama dojo. Indeed, it existed in the goju ryu dojo oyama trained in before he left to form what today is kyokushin. The challenge may have brought more focus to the them, but they most definitely existed.
I am all for crosstraining, but Muay thai did not influense kyokushin as much as some like to believe.
kolsyrade 3 months ago
@kolsyrade there is no doubt that the low kicks and knees of muay thai opened up the eyes of many, when muay thai became popular. i prefer kyokushin, heck even taekwondo, but i recognise that many aspects of modern martial arts are influenced by their counterparts. the techniques may have existed, technically, but that's like saying that (for example) tkd has a heck load of punches and takedowns. it DOES, but it's only recently that fighters have begun to care about them.
ubersum1 3 months ago
@kolsyrade i mean let's look at it for what it is. nake muays these days are throwing back kicks and axe kicks, and are learning how to box. karateka are throwing an immense amount of non-linear kicks that according to my shotokan friend would not have existed just some 50 years ago. tkd guys are incorporating western boxing. judoka are brushing up their grappling. wing chun folks are doing roundhouse kicks. i think it's appropriate to say that times change, and so does everything else (!)
ubersum1 3 months ago
@ubersum1 As I said, I am all for crosstraining. but it is just that in this instance the influence from muay thai has been greatly exaggerated.
Just as it is easy to find axekicks and back kicks if you look at Muay boran (see my vid on "muay thai boran kata"), it is easy to find knees and lowkicks in kyokushins origins. Looking at a book from one of oyama´s teacher in gojuryu, yamaguchi, I find both knee´s and lowkicks (and shin blocks) -so why would Oyama have to learn them later from MT?
kolsyrade 3 months ago
@kolsyrade i'm not insulting your martial art. i accept that maybe these techniques existed, just like there are hundreds of punches in tkd, and thousands of grappling manoeuvres in judo, and goodness knows what else. the point is that they were not emphasized as much as they are today. it's a combination of sparring evolution and outside influences that dictate what techniques martial artists use today. it means lots of techs are borrowed, and it really doesn't matter - it's just natural.
ubersum1 3 months ago
@ubersum1 Lots of posts, so ill just reply to all of them with this.
And yes adapting and "borrowing" is not only natural -it is necessary to not stagnate and hidebound..
"I have not allowed myself to be ignorant of any martial art. Such ignorance is a disgrace to someone who follows the martial arts" -Oyama
Its just that in this case, contrary to popular belief, lowkicks and knees in kyokushin are not copied from muay thai, as they were already taught to Oyama in earlier karate.
kolsyrade 3 months ago
@kolsyrade we probably won't end up agreeing, but my final point is that i believe it's a credit to each martial art that they've managed to borrow techniques and managed to make it their own. i think it's a credit to all martial arts that they're constantly evolving with the times, by adding to their arsenals, and then incorporating them with unique mechanics. unlike krav maga which for example just shamelessly pillages other martial arts. i think it's a good thing that MAs copy and adapt.
ubersum1 3 months ago
@kwt1976 thahahahaha! Yes in Muay Thai somebody have white Karate Gi's xD
promo2 1 year ago
@kwt1976 when karate was starting to formate the thais were jumping on trees and eating bananas.
HermesDo 5 months ago
Now activate Sawamura's "Shinku Tobi Hiza Geri"!!! Win.
MuayBoranWarrior 1 year ago
that was the most perfect flying knee ive ever seen.
Ninjahh666 1 year ago
OSU !
i bet he never saw that knee coming .. well ... too late i guess :)
cheers !
QuanYin71 2 years ago
ive been really into kyokushin lately, im considering to add it to my boxing, it would cover my standup pretty well i think, people often deem muay thai to be more effective because of its lethal knees and bludgeoning roundhouse.. the roundhouse is no concern since it can be practiced and utilised in kyokushin also i suppose, but what about clinching? does anyone know?
peace
Daski69 2 years ago
The main problem in crosstraining kyokushin as second art is the initial time required for formal basics.
Most kyokushin factions do not allow clinch. Some do, but it is rare. However, you might want to take a look at Shidokan karate. In style there is not much difference from kyokushin as it is a kyokushin offshoot. But in competition rules they allow clinch and throws.
Take a look at youtube video v=RUnCJG5TNnM (I got another shidokan video uploaded, but that is not shidokan basic rules)
kolsyrade 2 years ago
thanks man!
what about its effectiviness? if you have time :P
is it really as deadly as kickboxing or muay thai? i´m not saying it isn't, im just asking if it is.
I know that heroes like Andy Hug can make it work, but is it only for prodigies like him or is it as effective as kickboxing and thai?
they do teach the muay thai-style roundhouse in kyokushin am i right?
ill look up shidokan karate also
Daski69 2 years ago
Deadly? If you want deadly, buy a gun.
Kyokushin guys and Muay thai guys have faced each other often enough. Kyokushin guys usually win under karate rules. muay thai guys usually win under MT rules. Under more generic kickboxing rules both hold their own.
Is it effective? yes! Do you need to be Andy Hug to use it. No. Kyoku. is known to create tough fighters
Kyokushin has variants of roundhouse similar to "basic" muay thai, just as muay thai has versions similar to "basic" kyokushin
kolsyrade 2 years ago
thank you for your answers!
Daski69 2 years ago
@Daski69 Muay thai can easily be A brawling Kick boxing. In my opinion Its more efficient For the streets
SleazyT32 1 year ago
@SleazyT32 thanks = )
Daski69 1 year ago
@Daski69
Do you clinch in a street fight NO. Well check out the videos nothing really to learn from clinching other than throwing in a few elbows and knees.. and with kicks its just very powerful and no combinations..Check out in MMA like the best fighters Andy Hug , Philo and lyoto machidi :) get a good master and train hard
Osu
coolstudz 1 year ago
TIGER!!!
Gauntlets 2 years ago
OSU!!!!! what a hiza-geri that was! amazing.
Kyokushin for life....
STA1978 2 years ago
OMG, if he would pull his head with his hands... But it must be illegal in Kyokushinkai.
varkonyimihaly 2 years ago
Got knee?
shades2 2 years ago
holy fuck that hurt!
ElephantRage 3 years ago
brain damage.
Fukengruven23 3 years ago