They think with time a non-living thing can start to live, a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,
social behaviour and techniques of animals and insects are in the genes ! an the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did? evolved wings ! and the ability to fly !
throug random mutations and naturel selection, needless to speak about the evolution of plantes ...
Praise God. I just watched one of the new way of the master videos last night and the guy who puts his hand on kirk cameron and says the bible doesnt say that is now a christian. They found him on hollywood blvd evangelizing!!!
@theunbubba Why would that be set up? That would make these guys deceivers. I go out on las vegas blvd every saturday and evangelize and run into all kinds of people including gang members. When the law of God is presented to someone first and they r faced with their conscience towards a good and holy God then it softens a persons heart for the gospel. I see it all the time. I had on news years a 250 lb 6 ft man fall to his knees and cry cause of this message. God is Awesome!!!
Bless his heart.., I pray that we us Christians could be bold to help and teach nonbelievers. Even if we change one or two lives, it will make a difference. Praise God !!
@hsvpeterson Hey it's not easy to evangelize but he did it by GOD's power and at a place like that on the boardwalk there will be distractions but just get back on track for evangelizin' to that person. Kirk Cameron is very bold and takes the Great Commission serious. Me as a believer, I do as well.
@bawdhed7 I hope you don't think I was thinking negative. I am thankful for Kirk and his ministry. I praise God for these videos as they have shown me how to handle situations in reaching out to people. I just thought he looked a little nervous about the guy that kept butting in. God is good!!!!!!
bottom line: Because of 1 man Sin entered the world and we being of that seed all partake of the penalty:DEATH. So no matter what, we all deserve death. Now through the Seed of God a child Jesus was born, to full obedience to His Father and through this Obedience the God. And God's chosen people threw him to the cross mercilessly. Jesus gave Isreal another Year to think about repentance and they failed to. So God through His infinite Love of His Creation gave Salvation to the Gentiles.
@Jont43 - Rather than cutting and pasting a few verses have you ever considered reading the whole thing with an open heart? I pray that you do. God bless you.
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more and more scientist are turning to Christianity because well they can't explain it ..... and well evolution does not exist as you can tell you have not evolved now have you it's beenlike that through out you family history
@silverwood3 Lol, evolution is one of the best supported theories of science. It's been observed in nature and in laboratories, and can be explained allmost perfectly. Evolution is a fact. I'd reccomend this book "evolution for dummies". Those for dummies books are great for self study. Also, no, scientists aren't turning to christianity.
So where did the moon come from and how do you know that it did not form with the earth. When this projection is carried out for the moon's distance from the Earth it turns out that the moon's recession rate would have been much faster than its current 3.82 cm/yr, such that it would have been at the Earth's surface just over 1.2 billion years ago. That's about 3.3 billion years too recent for uniformitarian geology.Come on man ,you can not believe what you are writing?
@MyBali2011 The moon has not been receding at the same rate. We know that for sure. Now, I won't deny the fact that the moon was much much closer even as recently as 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs went extinct. But it was never closer than 155,000 miles if you take into consideration the age of both the Moon and Earth, and calculate the different receding rates over the years.
Firstly what is the representation your atheistic perspective,
and how can they explain the origins of life in our universe including the order and design , and the complexity of design in DNA and cells ,Also explain the atheistic view on the age of the universe and if you agree on the 4.6 billion year total.Also according to the big bang theory if the universe is expanding then we must have had a beginning then how did it come about in a naturalistic way?
@MyBali2011 Being an atheist means that I deny the existence of any god. Nothing more, nothing less. As far as the origin of life goes, I don't know, and neither does science. That doesn't mean that god did it, that just means that it is out of reach at this moment. And DNA being complex? It's just four letters arranged to cause different things to happen depending on the location of each letter. Not all the complex. And yes, the world is billions of years old, as is the universe.
@wasdare32 As a Atheist you believe life comes from non life ,there is no instance of life coming from non life .life comes from life, DNA your telling me is a code RIGHT?So if it is a code or letters it`s information so information has to have a intelligent sender.So who is that intelligent sender in your view.?So billion of years !
The moon is moving away from the earth at around 2 inches per year then if it is a billion years old ,billion years ago it sat on the earth right.
@MyBali2011 I figured you'd have stupid remarks to make about everything I said. That shows how little you know. As the moon moves away from the Earth each year, our gravity lessens on it, allowing it to move away faster and faster. When the dinosaurs were around, the moon might have only been moving a centimeter a decade. Not to mention that the moon hasn't been around the Earth for it's entire life, it was caught sometime after it's formation. They weren't formed together.
@MyBali2011 And when it comes to life, scientists in labs have been able to prove that amino acids, DNA bases, proteins, etc. all would have occurred naturally in the chemicals that made up the early Earth. Just because we aren't sure how it happened doesn't mean you can say your imaginary friend did it. DNA isn't information either. It appears that way because we're intelligent and see patterns in everything, but it's just a random sequence of DNA bases that forms proteins.
@wasdare32 I`m not trying to force you to believe in God it`s up you.But in my view if you choose to exist in this life without him ,which is your choice ,he will grant your wish, and you will live without him for Eternity in a place called hell,which is a place where you will not have his gifts, that at the moment you can`t see I hope you have made the right decision
@MyBali2011 But you have no evidence that your view is correct. Only a book that tells you so. The fact that there is no evidence for heaven, hell, god, creation, young Earth, or anything, to me, is the biggest piece of evidence we have for the nonexistence of God. You can try to use hell all you want to try to scare people into believing, but anyone who uses their brain will see through the lies and can see that religion is a dying superstition.
@MyBali2011 I'm not trying to scare you I was once a atheist as well.And it was not the scarey part that drove me to Christianity,it was the evidence of creation and design and I'm studying this for 10 hrs per day everyday for the last 5 years .Watch a few debates with William Craig lane and have a open mind with objectives on both sides ,it may give you a difference of opinion.
@MyBali2011 Correct, the universe is expanding. And yes, that also means that it had a beginning. The big bang. Don't let anyone tell you that "everything came from nothing". That's not true. Every bit of matter in the universe was present, it was just condensed into something the size of a pinhead. Then something happened and all that matter was violently thrown in all directions. We can still see the shock waves from that massive explosion. God had nothing to do with any of it.
@wasdare32 OK. Let's assume that this high-density pinpoint was there and that it did explode. What triggered the explosion? If nothing else existed in the beginning, what could possibly have set the Big Bang in motion?There was no intense heat. No intense cold. According to the theory, neither existed at the singularity.There was not even a single ray of light that could have become the triggering mechanism because, in the beginning, there was nothing.
@MyBali2011 Matter cannot be created or destroyed. We know that. So every bit of matter had to be in that point. When you have that kind of pressure, you never know what kind of chemical reactions you'll get. Something as simple as the formation of a water molecule could have set off a chain reaction that blew everything out into space.
@MyBali2011 You just have to accept the fact that matter has always been here. It's easier to understand than saying some invisible sky daddy created everything just by waving his hand. Which is still creating everything from nothing. Only difference is your belief involves magic, mine doesn't. And just because the "Creation Wiki" says the moon is proof of a young Earth doesn't mean that it's true.
@MyBali2011 Why would I give up? I've clearly won this debate by a landslide. You've resorted to saying that matter cannot always exist, yet god can always exist, which is ludicrous. I put my faith in proven science, not superstitious old fairy tales stored in a book thousands of years old. Matter can always exist because it cannot be destroyed according to the tested law of Conservation of Mass. God breaks every known law in science.
@wasdare32 Okay according to you ,you won the debate LOL,But these were your first words (As far as the origin of life goes, I don't know, and neither does science.)So every thing you just wrote is wrong or you don`t agree with it be cause science does not know
@MyBali2011 You don't know where anything came from either, you just think you do because the Bible tells you so. Where's this "evidence" you're talking about? There's a reason why 97% of scientists are either atheist or agnostic, and it isn't because the evidence supports creation. I was like you too. I spent hours on creation websites before I realized that they either lie or use outdated information. Look at thunderfoot prove everyone wrong and then tell me that creationists are right.
@MyBali2011 And there's no way you've put that much time into studying evolution and other sciences. You would know a lot more than you do. Anyone who's taken classes on physics, geology, biology, or chemistry, like me, will tell you that you're completely wrong in thinking that there's all this evidence for creation and scientists are just covering it up because we don't like god.
@MyBali2011 What does his lack intelligence have to do with my balls? Stupidity does not equal bravery. I wasn't even talking about the fact that he's talking to gangsters, I'm talking about him spreading lies about creation.
This video proves nothing - statistically speaking, large portion of Mexican gang members are catholic, very much like the rest of the mexican population. So these fellows were from the start catholic to begin with.
If you've spoke to someone about God before you know there are ways to approach. Approaching with a deal of 20 dollars if you pass the test. My grandpa and his parents were catholic and a christian lady who was their neighbor, she would talk to my grandpa and his parents with a good approach. The neighbor lady would ask if she could use the sewing machine, since the machine was huge she would stay there in the house using the sewing machine whilst talking about the Bible. My grand-NO MORE SPac-e
Did you know that there are two creation stories in the Bible? In Genesis Chapter 1, god creates the heavens and the earth, the seas, the land masses, then vegetation, then animals, then MAN AND WOMAN (not man, then later woman from man's rib). Gen. 1:27 "God created man in his own image, in the image of god created he him; MALE AND FEMALE created he them." Then, in Genesis Chapter 2, it says that god saw that Adam was lonely, so he created the animals to keep him company.
@jont43 But, if you go back to chapter 1, it says he created the animals already and BEFORE creating "male and female." Then, it says that when the animals didn't provide the proper company, god took a rib from Adam whilst he slept and formed Eve from that rib. But, in chapter 1 (verse 27), god said he created male and female. That doesn't seem strange to you? Have you read your bible?
@jont43 God tells Eve that she must serve Adam. Jesus says that women are subject to their husbands as their husbands are subject to the Lord. When you get married, will you abide by god and Jesus (as it says in the Bible) and obey your husband? The Bible says that wearing garments of mixed fabric is a sin. Nearly every garment in existence today is of mixed fabric.
@jont43 When god flooded the earth and had Noah, his family, and two of every animal survive on an ark, what was the point? The Bible says man had been corrupted, but Noah was a drunk. Was he really the most Holy of men? What about all the infants? Why did they deserve to die? Why did all the animals (aside from fish and birds, apparently) deserve to die? If a child molester sees the error of his ways and accepts Jesus Christ, he gets to go to heaven according to Christianity.
@jont43 I, on the other hand, having committed the one unforgivable sin (apostasy) am condemned to "Hell" even though I don't break laws, I served my country, I work hard and was a "Big Brother" (mentor) to a boy in need of a friend. Do you think that's fair?
My morality is far greater than the god as described in the Bible. So is yours.
@jont43 God allowed evil to exist because if evil wasn't an option, free will would not exist. How can you choose to love God if there is no option to hate him? And if you are forced to love God, is that really love? God wanted someone's REAL love so they had to have the choice to hate him to truly love him. As for God's laws that seem so impossible to follow, they really aren't very high, man's are just too low. If we weren't corrupted with sin we could easily follow those laws because...
@Phillo127 How could a "perfect" and good being create evil? Why would he create us just to have us worship him? You are being dishonest with yourself if you say that makes sense. It just doesn't.
@jont43 He didn't "create" evil. Angels had free-will just like humans. Satan chose to go against God and that action itself gave birth to sin. And by creating us to worship him, it isn't in a narcissistic slave sense. He wanted to be loved, just like you and I want to be loved. He created us to enjoy worshiping him and he in turn loved us. Satan installed a nature to make humans think God is flawed and hate worshiping him. It makes sense if you think about it carefully and unbiased.Honestly lol
@Phillo127 It really doesn't make sense. Just because you can word certain parts so they make sense, doesn't mean the whole thing does. Do you believe in unicorns? The Bible says they existed once. Do you believe it's okay to stone unruly children to death? The Bible says you should. Does that really make sense to you? Killing homosexuals? Does that make sense? Read that book of yours from cover-to-cover with an open mind and you will see how much of it makes NO sense.
@jont43 Certain parts? I have read it with an open mind. And I haven't been a Christian my whole life, i chose it for myself. Firstly, Stoning your children and killing homosexuals are ancient practices when the law was in practice. If you committed any sin at all death was the penalty. That's the way it works. The wages of sin is death. Back then they sacrificed animals to pay for their sins so they wouldn't have to die. Jesus sacrificed himself so we don't have to die.
@jont43 Secondly, unicorns in the KJV were another word for wild oxen. God references them more for their characteristics or role in a certain situation.
@jont43 it made no sense to me as a 10 yr old either,,,maybe you should read it again,,,the problem is that you dont understand it mentally,,,you dont understand the purpose for the sacrifices and the stoning,,,etc,,,and how it all connects to Jesus and his death,,,if you really want answers its going to take time and youll have to seek them out just like everyone else did,,,read commentaries from the disciples of the Apostles to the puritans,,,do research or add me on skype ill explain
@jont43 following his laws would be our nature. The reason why God has all of these stories of man failing to live up to the standards of his laws is to show that we cannot save ourselves, therefore giving us the free GIFT of someone else (Jesus) living the law perfectly AND paying our condemnation for us so we can have heaven and be reunited with God who did that to proves he loves us and wants us. Just because there are certain practices people in the bible did does not mean God condoned them.
@jont43 God did acts that people describe as "genocide" because he (being all-knowing) knew that the children would grow up to be just as evil as the adults. God isn't stupid or out of control in anger, he knows why he is doing something. Yes Noah made mistakes, but God looks at a persons heart not their mistakes because nobody is perfect.
@jont43 Yes if a child molester accepts Christ he will go to heaven, however that doesn't mean that he will go out and continue to molest children. God also will be just and allow him to pay for his crime while on earth, for instance prison, death etc...he will just be saved from hell.
@Phillo127 Saved from Hell? If this life is just a brief one and those who accept Christ get eternal salvation, then the child molester can molest 1,000 children, accept God, go to prison, get shanked, and go to "Heaven." Even if it's true, your religion, I don't want to be associated with a deity who would call that "justice." Your morals are as bankrupt as your "god's" and I'll have no part of it. I'm done wasting my time on your skewed view of reality.
@jont43 Yes its called justice when God sends his only son to get his flesh shredded and suffocate hanging from a cross for sin. That is the child molester's sin, just because he loved him that much. Not only is that justice that is love you cannot possibly give. Wasting? How do you know your reality isn't skewed? Hard to handle the bitter truth that there is something greater than man and you cannot be your own god? It's only a bitter truth if you focus on it with an already biased mindset.
@Phillo127 You're probably just scared of going to hell. But you don't need to be, because hell doesn't exist. It's a fact that damage to your brain can change your conciousness. So why do you think that our physical body is somehow seperate from our conciousness, and that it will fly off when the body dies? If that isn't the problem, it's probably that your entire family is religious and they'd get angry if you told them you don't believe in fairy tales.
@omgwtfbbqxD Actually not even close. My belief in Jesus had nothing to do with a fear of hell, only the realization of the truth of human life and complete fulfillment that i can't even describe. Of course brain damage can change consciousness. Who said consciousness is the same as the spirit? And by the way my family is not religious at all. I used to believe it was all fake as well, until i experienced God for myself. This belief has nothing to do with my family's whatsoever.
@Phillo127 Ok, it's still the truth for many many christians though. But you're just making things up now, if conciousness isn't the same as the spirit, then who cares about the spirit? After all, if it's not conscious, you won't know if it gets tortured anyway. How on earth do you "experience god", and if he loves us all so much, why don't we all experience him?
@jont43 And as far as the good deeds you listed of yourself, again whose standards are you referring to, God's or man's? Good deeds don't save us. If we could earn salvation Jesus' perfect life and death would be pointless. God said that even if we wash ourselves our stains are still before him. Regarding your morality higher than God's is exactly what Satan did. Not calling you Satan but that is your human nature speaking, the nature Satan installed in all of us since the fall.
@jont43 Satan wanted to be above God who is perfect. If something is already perfect, the other option is imperfection. Satan hates humans because God created us in his image. Satan lied to humans telling them that God was flawed so they would rebel against him, so humans would join Satan in his doom also causing God heartbreak. Satan hates both us and God so he will do whatever he can to bring us both pain.
hey jont43 it comes down to one simple fact and it is a decision that all of us are going to have to make at some point in our lives. either you do believe in god or you do not. Why do you condem people for believing in god? Should we christians condem you for not believing.
@Zaobaby22 Maybe you (as an individual) don't care if gays marry or if science is properly taught in our schools, but the FACT of the matter is that a strong and well-funded (not to mention vocal) minority of Christians are working to keep evolution out of our schools, get homosexuals out of the military, decide what a woman can and can't do with their bodies, etc... That is all the condemnation I need to see to believe there's a problem.
@jont43 "Go read your Bad Book.". To make a moral judgment means you'll need a standard to get that judgment from. What is your standard of good/bad and on what authority do you have the right to apply it to others?
@thewayofthemaster I would explain, but I have seen where this goes. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who believes they have all the answers. You have a presupposition and are completely unwilling to accept any other possibility. You know exactly where my morals come from. I bet they're stronger than yours.
@linkforever92 what you're calling a christian is NOT a christian,,,believing Jesus was a real person is worth NOTHING! You must be born again,,,meaning supernaturally changed into a new man by Jesus himself,,,if not,,, you're not christian,,,most people like Jesus,,,they think he was wonderful that doesn't mean they've been changed into a new creature,,,u cant just decide to be christian ,,,Jesus decides,,, then you're changed completely,,, if not the person is NOT christian
My mother-in-law is a Methodist minister. She doesn't like hispanic people for some reason. I've never understood her weird, twisted rationalizations for some of her beliefs and opinions.
I can only PRAY that someday God graciously provides me with the courage to share Christ with intimidating men like them! Of course, I am always fine witnessing to classmates and neighborhood friends, but a real test of my commitment to Christ is to happily place myself in the midst of seemingly dangerous men who could harm me, and just lovingly share the Gospel with them, without having the slightest worry of any physical negative responses I may receive. God bless you, Mr. Cameron.
@karlpokus He is only trying to make good out of Gangs and people of bad deeds. Yeah, he is a moron for trying to make the world a better place. He is such a loser for trying to do good.
@karlpokus And lets see what you're doing. Sitting at a computer all day long, working all day long, doing absolutely nothing productive of this world. Infact, if you never existed, the world would be no different. That is quite shameful.
I love it. It's time for Christians to rise up against evil offensively, Not just wait on defensive wars from him. We're running out the time. Lets win our lovely ones back to Jesus before it's too late
@joshlete Present your evidence, then. See, the thing is that I have read the Bible, I have tried to believe. I was a Christian growing up and read all the disgustingly immoral things in the Bible. I would like to believe a god is looking down on me and loves me, but there's HONESTLY zero evidence to that effect. If you think that's not the case, instead of just claiming I'm wrong, PROVE IT. I likely know more about your religion than you, but I am open to new things. Try. Watch my videos.
Don't just open your mind. Your open-mindedness will keep you in a slippery neutral, spiralling downwards, where no amount of worldly possessions will save you from sinking through the layers of confusion. That is your life. OPEN YOUR HEART INSTEAD. Open your heart to the One True Living God. The only God that can occupy a heart and bring it back into gear and to the surface, to receive that light that will give you life, once more. Yours truly. Light-seen sinner.
Leap of faith. A leap, with faith, into a very unpredictable, intimidating situation. Faith and the one presenting faith, presides over the the situation, with the prediction manifested before the outcome. That faith being, The Armour of God.
I love how Kirk Cameron assumes they're gang members because they're shirtless Hispanics with tattoos. Maybe they would play gang members on a "very special episode" of Growing Pains where young Mike Seaver learns of the dangers of gang life.
@Mahmood42978 They don't claim it in the video, they said it after the filming. Also, the guy in the back with the sunglasses was not a gang member as we ran into him a year or two ago and he confirmed he was just there with his nephew.
@thewayofthemaster well then I guess that's why it sounds like Kirk was about to pee himself. I'd like to see way of the master do a show in Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan, that would be ballsy.
@jonnyRYhollywood no all they say is "we're from the Ghetto" , that's very ignorant of you to believe that because people are from the ghetto that implies being a gang member. Shows how truly out of touch White Evangelical Christians are with the rest of the world.
So god makes us go to hell for the biology and the primal instinct he created us with, but the reason we don't have to go to hell is because god became a human and died for our sins, that he himself gave us in the first palace, and he knows we committed these sin's because he's an all powerful all knowing/seeing god that for some reason couldn't just lift these sins that knowingly cursed us with. worst fairytale ever.
@lilpwnige God can not cause others to sin nor does He create situations we can't escape it. Sin is a side affect of free will. God didn't want robots who just automatically did nothing wrong, He wanted creatures that would choose Him over other options. Since we live in a fallen world, it is impossible for us to always do the right thing, but thats why God sent Jesus, for us. What do you propose instead of God?
@jont43 He did not create evil and is actually incapable by definition (according to the Bible and basic philosophy). A piece of coal can't turn into a diamond without a lot of pressure and force. Likewise, if there was nothing to fear, there would be no courage or bravery. If there was no real sadness, then we wouldn't appreciate happiness.
@snowmanbob101 So, you're saying your god isn't all powerful? He isn't all-knowing? He isn't present in everything? Because, those are the three main descriptions Christians stick to. If your god is real and he created everything that exists, then he MUST have created evil. If he is all-knowing, then he would have known that Lucifer would turn evil. You can't have it both ways. Either he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and he created evil, or he isn't, so what's the point?
@jont43 No, I am saying God can't go against His nature. That He gives us a chance to make decisions ourselves, and that He is present, but that doesn't necessarily mean he participates in it or agrees with what is going on. Again, He created free will, we choose to know the difference between good and evil, we make bad decisions, evil is brought into existence because of our decisions. I never said He didn't know that we would go astray or satan would be evil. He allows us to make decisions.
@jont43 We caused sin, pain, and death to come into this world because we messed up in the garden. See, God gave us free will. We could either choose him or we could choose sin. God didn't want robots, and we choose wrong. So pain, evil, and suffering exist. By the way, how do you define evil if there is no absolute moral law?
@snowmanbob101 I didn't define evil. I am simply going off the generally accepted definition. Your arguments are completely fallacious and you should consider them and the ramifications of them before commenting. How can ANYTHING exist without the "consent" of god? I said it a moment ago and I'll say it again: If he is the creator, the all-powerful, the almighty, the ever-present and all-knowing GOD that you claim him to be, then how could something create evil against his will? He allowed it.
@jont43 You most certainly did define evil. You seem to have studied both sides of the argument, name your favorite 3 or 4 books against your position and your 2 or three favorite arguments against your position. I liked the books Atheist universe by David Mills, Atheism, the case against God by George Smith, and Why I am not a Christian by Bertrand Russell. The God Delusion was great on the aspects of biology, but failed miserably in the philosophy category.
@jont43 I found Bart Erman's arguments on script to be quite compelling, (of course, I also find them to be wrong though in light of all the evidence). Now, if you can actually prove that you have researched this and you aren't some troll, then we can continue talking, but right now all you seem to do is go on with ad hominem and ad hoc arguments and baseless accusations completely unfound in Bible.
@jont43 Well, I will say it again, God didn't want robots, he wanted intelligent beings that would choose him, he allows it to continue for the time being so that we can choose him. This doesn't make him the creator of evil, nor does it make him evil. To the contrary it makes Him benevolent in the sense that He gave us an option and isn't forcing us to do anything.
@lilpwnige God doesn't require misfits and mutations like Evolution. God did not become a human at all. You have absolutely no understanding of the Bible.
@lilpwnige Don't forget that he needed a blood sacrifice, but apparently had changed his way so much from the Old Testament that he didn't want any of us regular humans to do it (even though he used to be all for it) so he came down in human form, essentially sacrificing himself... TO HIMSELF. Which, if you know you're resurrecting in 3 days and spending eternity in paradise, isn't much of a sacrifice. Nice reply!
@jont43 No, see, originally we had to provide sacrifices that would cover sin, but since it wasn't perfect, it wouldn't cover everything. So Jesus, God's son, who lived a perfect life died for us so we know longer have to do sacrifices. He covers the sins of those who follow him. It is in His resurrection He conquered sin and death so that we can have confidence in the grace He has so lovingly given to all of us. And death is death, a resurrection doesn't counter act it.
@snowmanbob101 God condones slavery, genocide, murder, rape, bigotry, the subjugation of women, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, incest and more. What kind of morality is that?
@jont43 slavery that lasts to a maximum of 7 years that is not race based to pay off debts. Genocide of a group of people that burned babies in sacrifice to pagan gods, He never condoned murder, nor rape, bigotry, christianity is the first religion that treated women as equals to men, incest is condemned multiple times with the punishment being execution, animal sacrifice was to cover our sins until the perfect one could be made. You can twist facts, but I can untwist them.
@snowmanbob101 The slavery lasted only 7 years if it was slavery of another Jew. Read it again. Jews could enslave non-Jews for as long as they wanted. Also, it says they can beat their slaves as long as they don't die within "a day or two." That's not working off a debt. That's slavery. The genocide included killing all the babies and taking the virgins as wives. God said to stone homosexuals to death. I call that murder. If you disagree, go kill some gay people. Or are you too moral for god?
@jont43 Look, first it was twisting stuff, now its just straight lying? The slavery argument is over, I won because your lying, and when that happens, I win. Yes, you kill everyone, at this time period thats how things worked, they didn't have peace treaties or diplomacy, it was join us, die, or flee. People fought till one of those happened. He did say to stone homosexuals, now I'm trying to save them. I answered your questions, you have dodged. I refute, you make up. I win.
@snowmanbob101 Making stuff up? Not at all. Everything I mentioned is in the Bible. Read Exodus 21:20 (the bit about smiting servants as long as they don't die within a day or two),
As far as taking the virgins and killing the rest, check out Numbers 31: 1-40. Sorry if you don't know your Bible as well as I do. This act was ordered by God. That's all I ever said. Look it up.
@jont43 I am glad you can nit pick things you like, the rest of chapter 21 in Exodus is talking about everything I said, treating them well, feeding them, etc. I never made the argument that they didn't kill all non virgin women. So you are making straw man arguments, know answer my simple questions I asked, what is evil? How do we define it?
@snowmanbob101 I don't define it and I don't care to. You say I nit-pick, but what's that matter? If you rescued a baby from a burning building, then raped the mother, does that make you a good person? God says you can beat your servants basically to death (as long as death isn't immediate) but because he also said you should generally be good to them, that makes the other part okay? Your morality is seriously flawed. Don't reply if you can't be honest.
@jont43 Where does it ever condone rape? You never proved it was race based, which was the only thing I originally argued against, and now the evidence is out, and it turns out, it isn't race based. Just verses ahead of that horrible torture verse it talks of treating them right and how they have the right to go to the elders of the town (judiciaries) and plead their case for freedom. And since you can't define morality, you can't use it in your argument, basic logic principles.
@snowmanbob101 When god orders the killing of all the male and non-virgin female Midianites in Numbers 31, he says to keep the virgins for themselves. If someone killed you for your sins against god and took your daughter as his wife, do you think she'd be willingly marrying and having sex with him? That's rape.
@snowmanbob101 Morality is a word defined by mankind. If you are one who believes that only "god" can define it or that we are only moral because of "him," then I present the history of mankind before Judaism (and later, Christianity) existed. Without the word of your god, people flourished. There are good and bad people in nearly equal portions, regardless of the religion they take as truth.
@jont43 Ok, you say that morality is defined by man, that makes it relative. In the nation of Israel's eyes then, it was morally justifiable and correct to do what they did, it was morally correct for the Nazi's to kill Jews, homosexuals, and all non-whites, because they defined morality the same way you did. If there isn't an absolute standard, you have no right to condemn their actions because in there definition, they are correct.
@jont43 Bill Clinton escaped impeachment because he forced the prosecutors to define the word "the", they didn't do it, and we know Clinton won. Now, if you can define morality, or better yet, ethics without any dependence on an absolute ethics system that you so heavily rely on in your argumentation, reasonable people will come to the conclusion that you have personal qualms against it and not logical ones. I shouldn't have to help you defend your own arguments but this is just pitiful.
@snowmanbob101 He didn't escape impeachment. Yet another thing you clearly don't understand. Impeachment is a formal process in which an official is accused of unlawful activity. Clinton was impeached on Dec. 19, 1998. He was acquitted on Feb. 12, 1999. My arguments are irrelevant, as are yours. There's no proof for your god. It's funny how you think mine are pitiful, but mine are based on the actual words in your religion's book. You are blinded by your ridiculous faith.
@jont43 Clinton was only impeached by the House, not the senate, both are required. You have only objected, for you to "win" this argument, you must put on the table a logical idea to replace mine. Anyone can try to bash a viewpoint, but without offering something up to replace it, its just empty rabble. And I would argue to the contrary to your statement that their is no proof of my God. Infact I think our very existence points to it. Anyways, you have dodged putting any out any ideas.
@snowmanbob101 Hosea 13:16 is the verse about ripping up pregnant women (killing unborn babies in the process) not the same as the genocide part - I made a slight error as to its place in the Bible. It is till there. "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
@jont43 Hosea 13:16 is prophecy, the Bible is an R rated book that includes history, poetry, prophecy, and Biblical lessons about God's nature. No one said the Bible was going to be a happy go-lucky filled book that would have an easy 12 program. I never said it was always Politically Correct in everything, and if it was, then it would be fake.
@snowmanbob101 You said I was lying. You said the things I said weren't in the Bible. I showed you they are there. It makes no difference how you interpret them or what excuses you make for them. They're there. You can't admit you were wrong. I don't believe in anything for which no evidence exists. You have a presupposition that clearly hinders your view of morality. if you ever decide to drop that ridiculously immoral book of yours for something a bit more human, let me know.
@jont43 And you are, You referenced slavery as if it was a racial issue, I addressed that it wasn't and you helped prove that by posting verses. You displayed the conquering of Canaan as if it were like the holocaust when in fact it was eradicating an incestuous, violent, babe murdering, group of people. The Midianites who did not partake in idol worship were mostly virgin women, maybe you would know that if you actually studied Canaanite and Midianite cultures, but you were busy I guess.
@jont43 I would say you can't admit you are wrong, its a double edged sword coming from relative standpoints. And there is plenty of evidence, you just don't care to look at it both ways. I am a former atheist. I followed Anthony Flew, Christopher Hitchens, and Dawkins. The fact is I changed and Anthony Flew even changed opinions because of the facts my friend. Even C. S. Lewis was an atheist along with Josh McDowell until they actually looked at it objectively.
@jont43 We both have presuppositions to our arguments, yours though must borrow from mine the idea that an ethical standard exists, the natural of external reality is knowable, the laws logic are uniform and absolute, the idea that the external reality can be studied using an ordered process, etc. I borrow nothing from you. See the trade balance issue here? AGAIN, WHAT IS THE ABSOLUTE STANDARD OF ETHICS IF THE BIBLE IS A LIE AND THERE IS NO GOD? Prove yourself competent.
@jont43 By the way, if I was a Midianite or Canaanite woman who was most likely raped as a daughter under pagan practices, used a as prostitute for a source of income, and treated like crap (which is still they way they treat women in the middle east outside of Israel) I would gladly join a society that executes or exiles those that commit such acts.
those weren't gang members lol they were just shirtless mexicans.
shashauno 10 hours ago
how are they gang members..just cuz theyre ethnic?
ETvillainy 1 day ago
That was really so amazing!!
Singetally 2 days ago
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They think with time a non-living thing can start to live, a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,
social behaviour and techniques of animals and insects are in the genes ! an the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did? evolved wings ! and the ability to fly !
throug random mutations and naturel selection, needless to speak about the evolution of plantes ...
YamiYami17 3 days ago
Praise God. I just watched one of the new way of the master videos last night and the guy who puts his hand on kirk cameron and says the bible doesnt say that is now a christian. They found him on hollywood blvd evangelizing!!!
tWaytTruthtLife 3 days ago
@tWaytTruthtLife Which video was it¿ I would like to watch it.
jtremaine23 2 days ago
And you believe that wasn't set up? Really?
theunbubba 3 days ago
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@theunbubba Why would that be set up? That would make these guys deceivers. I go out on las vegas blvd every saturday and evangelize and run into all kinds of people including gang members. When the law of God is presented to someone first and they r faced with their conscience towards a good and holy God then it softens a persons heart for the gospel. I see it all the time. I had on news years a 250 lb 6 ft man fall to his knees and cry cause of this message. God is Awesome!!!
tWaytTruthtLife 3 days ago
Bless his heart.., I pray that we us Christians could be bold to help and teach nonbelievers. Even if we change one or two lives, it will make a difference. Praise God !!
PrettyyoungThing1 4 days ago
Way to go Kirk. lol he looked so scared several times.
hsvpeterson 4 days ago
@hsvpeterson Hey it's not easy to evangelize but he did it by GOD's power and at a place like that on the boardwalk there will be distractions but just get back on track for evangelizin' to that person. Kirk Cameron is very bold and takes the Great Commission serious. Me as a believer, I do as well.
bawdhed7 3 days ago
@bawdhed7 I hope you don't think I was thinking negative. I am thankful for Kirk and his ministry. I praise God for these videos as they have shown me how to handle situations in reaching out to people. I just thought he looked a little nervous about the guy that kept butting in. God is good!!!!!!
hsvpeterson 1 day ago
@hsvpeterson Nah I didn't. It's all good.
bawdhed7 23 hours ago
Fantastic video!
RevJhow12 6 days ago
We are not the creator we are the created, unless you can number the stars think not that you are wiser then God's word.
buckbullstallion 1 week ago
bottom line: Because of 1 man Sin entered the world and we being of that seed all partake of the penalty:DEATH. So no matter what, we all deserve death. Now through the Seed of God a child Jesus was born, to full obedience to His Father and through this Obedience the God. And God's chosen people threw him to the cross mercilessly. Jesus gave Isreal another Year to think about repentance and they failed to. So God through His infinite Love of His Creation gave Salvation to the Gentiles.
buckbullstallion 1 week ago
@Jont43 - Rather than cutting and pasting a few verses have you ever considered reading the whole thing with an open heart? I pray that you do. God bless you.
tgrqqs 1 week ago
Haha the guys getting all defensive, no one undermines Kirk Cameron, especially when he's talking about God!!!
777SaraTaylor 1 week ago
0:04 is that pitbull ??? lol
doneklenormalan 1 week ago
Those are gang members????? They just look like random hispanic people hanging out on a public boardwalk, albeit sans shirts.
PhyzzixMan 1 week ago
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BCT071 2 weeks ago
more and more scientist are turning to Christianity because well they can't explain it ..... and well evolution does not exist as you can tell you have not evolved now have you it's beenlike that through out you family history
silverwood3 2 weeks ago
@silverwood3 Antibiotics. Enough said.
cpnamn 2 weeks ago
@silverwood3 Lol, evolution is one of the best supported theories of science. It's been observed in nature and in laboratories, and can be explained allmost perfectly. Evolution is a fact. I'd reccomend this book "evolution for dummies". Those for dummies books are great for self study. Also, no, scientists aren't turning to christianity.
omgwtfbbqxD 2 weeks ago
@omgwtfbbqxD Lol I dont think so
amgel7772090 2 weeks ago
So where did the moon come from and how do you know that it did not form with the earth. When this projection is carried out for the moon's distance from the Earth it turns out that the moon's recession rate would have been much faster than its current 3.82 cm/yr, such that it would have been at the Earth's surface just over 1.2 billion years ago. That's about 3.3 billion years too recent for uniformitarian geology.Come on man ,you can not believe what you are writing?
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 The moon has not been receding at the same rate. We know that for sure. Now, I won't deny the fact that the moon was much much closer even as recently as 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs went extinct. But it was never closer than 155,000 miles if you take into consideration the age of both the Moon and Earth, and calculate the different receding rates over the years.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
Firstly what is the representation your atheistic perspective,
and how can they explain the origins of life in our universe including the order and design , and the complexity of design in DNA and cells ,Also explain the atheistic view on the age of the universe and if you agree on the 4.6 billion year total.Also according to the big bang theory if the universe is expanding then we must have had a beginning then how did it come about in a naturalistic way?
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 Being an atheist means that I deny the existence of any god. Nothing more, nothing less. As far as the origin of life goes, I don't know, and neither does science. That doesn't mean that god did it, that just means that it is out of reach at this moment. And DNA being complex? It's just four letters arranged to cause different things to happen depending on the location of each letter. Not all the complex. And yes, the world is billions of years old, as is the universe.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 As a Atheist you believe life comes from non life ,there is no instance of life coming from non life .life comes from life, DNA your telling me is a code RIGHT?So if it is a code or letters it`s information so information has to have a intelligent sender.So who is that intelligent sender in your view.?So billion of years !
The moon is moving away from the earth at around 2 inches per year then if it is a billion years old ,billion years ago it sat on the earth right.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 I figured you'd have stupid remarks to make about everything I said. That shows how little you know. As the moon moves away from the Earth each year, our gravity lessens on it, allowing it to move away faster and faster. When the dinosaurs were around, the moon might have only been moving a centimeter a decade. Not to mention that the moon hasn't been around the Earth for it's entire life, it was caught sometime after it's formation. They weren't formed together.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 And when it comes to life, scientists in labs have been able to prove that amino acids, DNA bases, proteins, etc. all would have occurred naturally in the chemicals that made up the early Earth. Just because we aren't sure how it happened doesn't mean you can say your imaginary friend did it. DNA isn't information either. It appears that way because we're intelligent and see patterns in everything, but it's just a random sequence of DNA bases that forms proteins.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 I`m not trying to force you to believe in God it`s up you.But in my view if you choose to exist in this life without him ,which is your choice ,he will grant your wish, and you will live without him for Eternity in a place called hell,which is a place where you will not have his gifts, that at the moment you can`t see I hope you have made the right decision
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 But you have no evidence that your view is correct. Only a book that tells you so. The fact that there is no evidence for heaven, hell, god, creation, young Earth, or anything, to me, is the biggest piece of evidence we have for the nonexistence of God. You can try to use hell all you want to try to scare people into believing, but anyone who uses their brain will see through the lies and can see that religion is a dying superstition.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 I'm not trying to scare you I was once a atheist as well.And it was not the scarey part that drove me to Christianity,it was the evidence of creation and design and I'm studying this for 10 hrs per day everyday for the last 5 years .Watch a few debates with William Craig lane and have a open mind with objectives on both sides ,it may give you a difference of opinion.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 Correct, the universe is expanding. And yes, that also means that it had a beginning. The big bang. Don't let anyone tell you that "everything came from nothing". That's not true. Every bit of matter in the universe was present, it was just condensed into something the size of a pinhead. Then something happened and all that matter was violently thrown in all directions. We can still see the shock waves from that massive explosion. God had nothing to do with any of it.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 OK. Let's assume that this high-density pinpoint was there and that it did explode. What triggered the explosion? If nothing else existed in the beginning, what could possibly have set the Big Bang in motion?There was no intense heat. No intense cold. According to the theory, neither existed at the singularity.There was not even a single ray of light that could have become the triggering mechanism because, in the beginning, there was nothing.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 Matter cannot be created or destroyed. We know that. So every bit of matter had to be in that point. When you have that kind of pressure, you never know what kind of chemical reactions you'll get. Something as simple as the formation of a water molecule could have set off a chain reaction that blew everything out into space.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 So how could matter, which DID NOT exist at some point, give itself existence,
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 You just have to accept the fact that matter has always been here. It's easier to understand than saying some invisible sky daddy created everything just by waving his hand. Which is still creating everything from nothing. Only difference is your belief involves magic, mine doesn't. And just because the "Creation Wiki" says the moon is proof of a young Earth doesn't mean that it's true.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 Some cause from nothing requires more faith then my un caused cause God.How can matter always exist answer please or just give up.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 Why would I give up? I've clearly won this debate by a landslide. You've resorted to saying that matter cannot always exist, yet god can always exist, which is ludicrous. I put my faith in proven science, not superstitious old fairy tales stored in a book thousands of years old. Matter can always exist because it cannot be destroyed according to the tested law of Conservation of Mass. God breaks every known law in science.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 Okay according to you ,you won the debate LOL,But these were your first words (As far as the origin of life goes, I don't know, and neither does science.)So every thing you just wrote is wrong or you don`t agree with it be cause science does not know
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 You don't know where anything came from either, you just think you do because the Bible tells you so. Where's this "evidence" you're talking about? There's a reason why 97% of scientists are either atheist or agnostic, and it isn't because the evidence supports creation. I was like you too. I spent hours on creation websites before I realized that they either lie or use outdated information. Look at thunderfoot prove everyone wrong and then tell me that creationists are right.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 And there's no way you've put that much time into studying evolution and other sciences. You would know a lot more than you do. Anyone who's taken classes on physics, geology, biology, or chemistry, like me, will tell you that you're completely wrong in thinking that there's all this evidence for creation and scientists are just covering it up because we don't like god.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
Kirk Cameron is an idiot.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 He has probably got more balls then you.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
@MyBali2011 What does his lack intelligence have to do with my balls? Stupidity does not equal bravery. I wasn't even talking about the fact that he's talking to gangsters, I'm talking about him spreading lies about creation.
wasdare32 2 weeks ago
@wasdare32 Try to answer these questions please and explain creations lies.
MyBali2011 2 weeks ago
They should jump him into their gang. Kirk would be a good Vato Loco
Doubleshot98 3 weeks ago
I like better Mike Seaver at least he lived and no worries about the after life.
popactor 3 weeks ago
what a goon
80sbadassmentally 3 weeks ago
This video proves nothing - statistically speaking, large portion of Mexican gang members are catholic, very much like the rest of the mexican population. So these fellows were from the start catholic to begin with.
neclord14 4 weeks ago
Christianity is a lie. And christians are hypocrites.
scottclements78 4 weeks ago
If you've spoke to someone about God before you know there are ways to approach. Approaching with a deal of 20 dollars if you pass the test. My grandpa and his parents were catholic and a christian lady who was their neighbor, she would talk to my grandpa and his parents with a good approach. The neighbor lady would ask if she could use the sewing machine, since the machine was huge she would stay there in the house using the sewing machine whilst talking about the Bible. My grand-NO MORE SPac-e
jonnyRYhollywood 1 month ago
LMAO! They were just working Cameron for the $20.
eventhisidistaken 1 month ago
I hate Kirk Cameron, but that took balls of steel.
josephpatrickknox 1 month ago
hahhaa I love how nervous Kirk Cameron is talking to these gang bangers
Mahmood42978 1 month ago
Did you know that there are two creation stories in the Bible? In Genesis Chapter 1, god creates the heavens and the earth, the seas, the land masses, then vegetation, then animals, then MAN AND WOMAN (not man, then later woman from man's rib). Gen. 1:27 "God created man in his own image, in the image of god created he him; MALE AND FEMALE created he them." Then, in Genesis Chapter 2, it says that god saw that Adam was lonely, so he created the animals to keep him company.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 But, if you go back to chapter 1, it says he created the animals already and BEFORE creating "male and female." Then, it says that when the animals didn't provide the proper company, god took a rib from Adam whilst he slept and formed Eve from that rib. But, in chapter 1 (verse 27), god said he created male and female. That doesn't seem strange to you? Have you read your bible?
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 God tells Eve that she must serve Adam. Jesus says that women are subject to their husbands as their husbands are subject to the Lord. When you get married, will you abide by god and Jesus (as it says in the Bible) and obey your husband? The Bible says that wearing garments of mixed fabric is a sin. Nearly every garment in existence today is of mixed fabric.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 When god flooded the earth and had Noah, his family, and two of every animal survive on an ark, what was the point? The Bible says man had been corrupted, but Noah was a drunk. Was he really the most Holy of men? What about all the infants? Why did they deserve to die? Why did all the animals (aside from fish and birds, apparently) deserve to die? If a child molester sees the error of his ways and accepts Jesus Christ, he gets to go to heaven according to Christianity.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 I, on the other hand, having committed the one unforgivable sin (apostasy) am condemned to "Hell" even though I don't break laws, I served my country, I work hard and was a "Big Brother" (mentor) to a boy in need of a friend. Do you think that's fair?
My morality is far greater than the god as described in the Bible. So is yours.
jont43 1 month ago
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JudokaGJJ 1 month ago
@jont43 God allowed evil to exist because if evil wasn't an option, free will would not exist. How can you choose to love God if there is no option to hate him? And if you are forced to love God, is that really love? God wanted someone's REAL love so they had to have the choice to hate him to truly love him. As for God's laws that seem so impossible to follow, they really aren't very high, man's are just too low. If we weren't corrupted with sin we could easily follow those laws because...
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@Phillo127 How could a "perfect" and good being create evil? Why would he create us just to have us worship him? You are being dishonest with yourself if you say that makes sense. It just doesn't.
jont43 3 weeks ago
@jont43 He didn't "create" evil. Angels had free-will just like humans. Satan chose to go against God and that action itself gave birth to sin. And by creating us to worship him, it isn't in a narcissistic slave sense. He wanted to be loved, just like you and I want to be loved. He created us to enjoy worshiping him and he in turn loved us. Satan installed a nature to make humans think God is flawed and hate worshiping him. It makes sense if you think about it carefully and unbiased.Honestly lol
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@Phillo127 It really doesn't make sense. Just because you can word certain parts so they make sense, doesn't mean the whole thing does. Do you believe in unicorns? The Bible says they existed once. Do you believe it's okay to stone unruly children to death? The Bible says you should. Does that really make sense to you? Killing homosexuals? Does that make sense? Read that book of yours from cover-to-cover with an open mind and you will see how much of it makes NO sense.
jont43 3 weeks ago
@jont43 Certain parts? I have read it with an open mind. And I haven't been a Christian my whole life, i chose it for myself. Firstly, Stoning your children and killing homosexuals are ancient practices when the law was in practice. If you committed any sin at all death was the penalty. That's the way it works. The wages of sin is death. Back then they sacrificed animals to pay for their sins so they wouldn't have to die. Jesus sacrificed himself so we don't have to die.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@jont43 Secondly, unicorns in the KJV were another word for wild oxen. God references them more for their characteristics or role in a certain situation.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@jont43 it made no sense to me as a 10 yr old either,,,maybe you should read it again,,,the problem is that you dont understand it mentally,,,you dont understand the purpose for the sacrifices and the stoning,,,etc,,,and how it all connects to Jesus and his death,,,if you really want answers its going to take time and youll have to seek them out just like everyone else did,,,read commentaries from the disciples of the Apostles to the puritans,,,do research or add me on skype ill explain
candiceevans1 3 weeks ago
@jont43 following his laws would be our nature. The reason why God has all of these stories of man failing to live up to the standards of his laws is to show that we cannot save ourselves, therefore giving us the free GIFT of someone else (Jesus) living the law perfectly AND paying our condemnation for us so we can have heaven and be reunited with God who did that to proves he loves us and wants us. Just because there are certain practices people in the bible did does not mean God condoned them.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@jont43 God did acts that people describe as "genocide" because he (being all-knowing) knew that the children would grow up to be just as evil as the adults. God isn't stupid or out of control in anger, he knows why he is doing something. Yes Noah made mistakes, but God looks at a persons heart not their mistakes because nobody is perfect.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@jont43 Yes if a child molester accepts Christ he will go to heaven, however that doesn't mean that he will go out and continue to molest children. God also will be just and allow him to pay for his crime while on earth, for instance prison, death etc...he will just be saved from hell.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@Phillo127 Saved from Hell? If this life is just a brief one and those who accept Christ get eternal salvation, then the child molester can molest 1,000 children, accept God, go to prison, get shanked, and go to "Heaven." Even if it's true, your religion, I don't want to be associated with a deity who would call that "justice." Your morals are as bankrupt as your "god's" and I'll have no part of it. I'm done wasting my time on your skewed view of reality.
jont43 3 weeks ago
@jont43 Yes its called justice when God sends his only son to get his flesh shredded and suffocate hanging from a cross for sin. That is the child molester's sin, just because he loved him that much. Not only is that justice that is love you cannot possibly give. Wasting? How do you know your reality isn't skewed? Hard to handle the bitter truth that there is something greater than man and you cannot be your own god? It's only a bitter truth if you focus on it with an already biased mindset.
Phillo127 2 weeks ago
@Phillo127 You're probably just scared of going to hell. But you don't need to be, because hell doesn't exist. It's a fact that damage to your brain can change your conciousness. So why do you think that our physical body is somehow seperate from our conciousness, and that it will fly off when the body dies? If that isn't the problem, it's probably that your entire family is religious and they'd get angry if you told them you don't believe in fairy tales.
omgwtfbbqxD 2 weeks ago
@omgwtfbbqxD Actually not even close. My belief in Jesus had nothing to do with a fear of hell, only the realization of the truth of human life and complete fulfillment that i can't even describe. Of course brain damage can change consciousness. Who said consciousness is the same as the spirit? And by the way my family is not religious at all. I used to believe it was all fake as well, until i experienced God for myself. This belief has nothing to do with my family's whatsoever.
Phillo127 2 weeks ago
@Phillo127 Ok, it's still the truth for many many christians though. But you're just making things up now, if conciousness isn't the same as the spirit, then who cares about the spirit? After all, if it's not conscious, you won't know if it gets tortured anyway. How on earth do you "experience god", and if he loves us all so much, why don't we all experience him?
omgwtfbbqxD 2 weeks ago
@jont43 And as far as the good deeds you listed of yourself, again whose standards are you referring to, God's or man's? Good deeds don't save us. If we could earn salvation Jesus' perfect life and death would be pointless. God said that even if we wash ourselves our stains are still before him. Regarding your morality higher than God's is exactly what Satan did. Not calling you Satan but that is your human nature speaking, the nature Satan installed in all of us since the fall.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
@jont43 Satan wanted to be above God who is perfect. If something is already perfect, the other option is imperfection. Satan hates humans because God created us in his image. Satan lied to humans telling them that God was flawed so they would rebel against him, so humans would join Satan in his doom also causing God heartbreak. Satan hates both us and God so he will do whatever he can to bring us both pain.
Phillo127 3 weeks ago
hey jont43 it comes down to one simple fact and it is a decision that all of us are going to have to make at some point in our lives. either you do believe in god or you do not. Why do you condem people for believing in god? Should we christians condem you for not believing.
Zaobaby22 1 month ago
@Zaobaby22 Maybe you (as an individual) don't care if gays marry or if science is properly taught in our schools, but the FACT of the matter is that a strong and well-funded (not to mention vocal) minority of Christians are working to keep evolution out of our schools, get homosexuals out of the military, decide what a woman can and can't do with their bodies, etc... That is all the condemnation I need to see to believe there's a problem.
jont43 1 month ago
@Zaobaby22 Oh, and you Christians do condemn me for not believing. Literally. Go read your Bad Book.
jont43 3 weeks ago
@jont43 "Go read your Bad Book.". To make a moral judgment means you'll need a standard to get that judgment from. What is your standard of good/bad and on what authority do you have the right to apply it to others?
thewayofthemaster 3 weeks ago
@thewayofthemaster I would explain, but I have seen where this goes. I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who believes they have all the answers. You have a presupposition and are completely unwilling to accept any other possibility. You know exactly where my morals come from. I bet they're stronger than yours.
jont43 2 weeks ago
Hell seems like a nice place. I hear there's a heated pool!
MyloDude22 1 month ago
Religious nutcracks, lol.
Tyrasibion 1 month ago
@Tyrasibion Athiest nutcrack, lol
joshlete 1 month ago
@joshlete Well, at least I'm not brainwashed to believe in talking snakes. :)
Tyrasibion 1 month ago
@Tyrasibion Your too stupid to even understand the story. Read up on all the information before going into an agrument.
joshlete 2 weeks ago
@joshlete *You're
*Argument
Tyrasibion 2 weeks ago
I've heard of this kind of witnessing (or what you call it), but to see it first hand is really awesome! Truly inspiring
hixaz07 1 month ago
lol im pretty sure it says that he will forgive you if you just ask
linkforever92 1 month ago
most gangsters are christians
linkforever92 1 month ago 2
@linkforever92 yeah just look at the crusades
kyle603 1 month ago
@linkforever92 what you're calling a christian is NOT a christian,,,believing Jesus was a real person is worth NOTHING! You must be born again,,,meaning supernaturally changed into a new man by Jesus himself,,,if not,,, you're not christian,,,most people like Jesus,,,they think he was wonderful that doesn't mean they've been changed into a new creature,,,u cant just decide to be christian ,,,Jesus decides,,, then you're changed completely,,, if not the person is NOT christian
candiceevans1 3 weeks ago
@candiceevans1 and who determines whether you've been supernaturally changed or not? you? or does Jesus come to you personally and let you know
linkforever92 3 weeks ago
My mother-in-law is a Methodist minister. She doesn't like hispanic people for some reason. I've never understood her weird, twisted rationalizations for some of her beliefs and opinions.
GuapoVino 1 month ago
This is so lame, I wonder if he is embarassed for himself.
Emmylou2u 1 month ago
I can only PRAY that someday God graciously provides me with the courage to share Christ with intimidating men like them! Of course, I am always fine witnessing to classmates and neighborhood friends, but a real test of my commitment to Christ is to happily place myself in the midst of seemingly dangerous men who could harm me, and just lovingly share the Gospel with them, without having the slightest worry of any physical negative responses I may receive. God bless you, Mr. Cameron.
airmandorian 1 month ago 2
@airmandorian This whole post reads as if it has an underlying sexual desire you realize that right?
zippy476 1 month ago
Aaaaaaaamen!!! This is so inspiring. Thank you. Praise God!
skipdimple 1 month ago
Kirk is a moron.
karlpokus 1 month ago
@karlpokus He is only trying to make good out of Gangs and people of bad deeds. Yeah, he is a moron for trying to make the world a better place. He is such a loser for trying to do good.
joshlete 1 month ago
@joshlete If you think spreading dilusions of god saves the world then you're a moron too.
karlpokus 1 month ago
@karlpokus And lets see what you're doing. Sitting at a computer all day long, working all day long, doing absolutely nothing productive of this world. Infact, if you never existed, the world would be no different. That is quite shameful.
joshlete 2 weeks ago
@joshlete Well. At least I'm not bothering people. You see liberty is more important than feeding your paranoia.
karlpokus 2 weeks ago
I love it. It's time for Christians to rise up against evil offensively, Not just wait on defensive wars from him. We're running out the time. Lets win our lovely ones back to Jesus before it's too late
umukristo 1 month ago 8
@umukristo The flying spaghetti monster will forgive
Metal1998 1 month ago
they are gang members..anyone with a knowledge of gangs recognizes all the hand signs and tats are absolute calling cards...no assumptions here...
wendyresqlady 1 month ago
There is ZERO evidence to support a belief in a god or gods.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 How about you do some researching and common sense before making false assumptions.
joshlete 1 month ago
@joshlete Present your evidence, then. See, the thing is that I have read the Bible, I have tried to believe. I was a Christian growing up and read all the disgustingly immoral things in the Bible. I would like to believe a god is looking down on me and loves me, but there's HONESTLY zero evidence to that effect. If you think that's not the case, instead of just claiming I'm wrong, PROVE IT. I likely know more about your religion than you, but I am open to new things. Try. Watch my videos.
jont43 1 month ago
Don't just open your mind. Your open-mindedness will keep you in a slippery neutral, spiralling downwards, where no amount of worldly possessions will save you from sinking through the layers of confusion. That is your life. OPEN YOUR HEART INSTEAD. Open your heart to the One True Living God. The only God that can occupy a heart and bring it back into gear and to the surface, to receive that light that will give you life, once more. Yours truly. Light-seen sinner.
ROBSTA69able 1 month ago
Leap of faith. A leap, with faith, into a very unpredictable, intimidating situation. Faith and the one presenting faith, presides over the the situation, with the prediction manifested before the outcome. That faith being, The Armour of God.
ROBSTA69able 1 month ago
kirk is speaking the truth
obeyauga320 1 month ago
Kirk, going nowhere fast.
drumcircler 1 month ago 3
Kirk cameron is lying right now to this man
fiendin281 1 month ago 2
Thought the guy in the white cap was going to shiv Kirk...but he didn't...and I gave him a fiver to do it...
March6371 1 month ago
fuck off gang members if ur readin my post and ur in a gang 2 r 3 ways to get out dead jail or if u stick ur head out ur ass and leave simple
emoriver100 1 month ago
I love how Kirk Cameron assumes they're gang members because they're shirtless Hispanics with tattoos. Maybe they would play gang members on a "very special episode" of Growing Pains where young Mike Seaver learns of the dangers of gang life.
crazymiles 1 month ago 3
@crazymiles They were self-admitted gang members.
thewayofthemaster 1 month ago 15
@thewayofthemaster where do they claim this in the video?
Mahmood42978 1 month ago
@Mahmood42978 They don't claim it in the video, they said it after the filming. Also, the guy in the back with the sunglasses was not a gang member as we ran into him a year or two ago and he confirmed he was just there with his nephew.
thewayofthemaster 1 month ago
@thewayofthemaster well then I guess that's why it sounds like Kirk was about to pee himself. I'd like to see way of the master do a show in Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan, that would be ballsy.
Mahmood42978 1 month ago
@Mahmood42978 Still a win win situation. They kill him - he's a martyr. They listen to the word - everyone gets to go to heaven.
ruthamyallan1 4 weeks ago
@thewayofthemaster just one more thing you ask us to believe "on faith".
namrawmij 4 weeks ago
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jonnyRYhollywood 1 month ago
@jonnyRYhollywood no all they say is "we're from the Ghetto" , that's very ignorant of you to believe that because people are from the ghetto that implies being a gang member. Shows how truly out of touch White Evangelical Christians are with the rest of the world.
Mahmood42978 1 month ago
@crazymiles how do you know he assumed..maybe he asked them after he witness'd
1kaitae 1 month ago
@crazymiles I'm pretty sure they're gang members
rudygetsplenty 1 month ago
He is Gangstah Himself xD
supermasje 1 month ago
So god makes us go to hell for the biology and the primal instinct he created us with, but the reason we don't have to go to hell is because god became a human and died for our sins, that he himself gave us in the first palace, and he knows we committed these sin's because he's an all powerful all knowing/seeing god that for some reason couldn't just lift these sins that knowingly cursed us with. worst fairytale ever.
lilpwnige 1 month ago
@lilpwnige God can not cause others to sin nor does He create situations we can't escape it. Sin is a side affect of free will. God didn't want robots who just automatically did nothing wrong, He wanted creatures that would choose Him over other options. Since we live in a fallen world, it is impossible for us to always do the right thing, but thats why God sent Jesus, for us. What do you propose instead of God?
snowmanbob101 1 month ago
@snowmanbob101 Your propositions are full of holes. If God is truly benevolent, then why create evil in the first place?
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 He did not create evil and is actually incapable by definition (according to the Bible and basic philosophy). A piece of coal can't turn into a diamond without a lot of pressure and force. Likewise, if there was nothing to fear, there would be no courage or bravery. If there was no real sadness, then we wouldn't appreciate happiness.
snowmanbob101 1 month ago
@snowmanbob101 So, you're saying your god isn't all powerful? He isn't all-knowing? He isn't present in everything? Because, those are the three main descriptions Christians stick to. If your god is real and he created everything that exists, then he MUST have created evil. If he is all-knowing, then he would have known that Lucifer would turn evil. You can't have it both ways. Either he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and he created evil, or he isn't, so what's the point?
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 No, I am saying God can't go against His nature. That He gives us a chance to make decisions ourselves, and that He is present, but that doesn't necessarily mean he participates in it or agrees with what is going on. Again, He created free will, we choose to know the difference between good and evil, we make bad decisions, evil is brought into existence because of our decisions. I never said He didn't know that we would go astray or satan would be evil. He allows us to make decisions.
snowmanbob101 1 month ago
@jont43 We caused sin, pain, and death to come into this world because we messed up in the garden. See, God gave us free will. We could either choose him or we could choose sin. God didn't want robots, and we choose wrong. So pain, evil, and suffering exist. By the way, how do you define evil if there is no absolute moral law?
snowmanbob101 1 month ago
@snowmanbob101 I didn't define evil. I am simply going off the generally accepted definition. Your arguments are completely fallacious and you should consider them and the ramifications of them before commenting. How can ANYTHING exist without the "consent" of god? I said it a moment ago and I'll say it again: If he is the creator, the all-powerful, the almighty, the ever-present and all-knowing GOD that you claim him to be, then how could something create evil against his will? He allowed it.
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 You most certainly did define evil. You seem to have studied both sides of the argument, name your favorite 3 or 4 books against your position and your 2 or three favorite arguments against your position. I liked the books Atheist universe by David Mills, Atheism, the case against God by George Smith, and Why I am not a Christian by Bertrand Russell. The God Delusion was great on the aspects of biology, but failed miserably in the philosophy category.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@jont43 I found Bart Erman's arguments on script to be quite compelling, (of course, I also find them to be wrong though in light of all the evidence). Now, if you can actually prove that you have researched this and you aren't some troll, then we can continue talking, but right now all you seem to do is go on with ad hominem and ad hoc arguments and baseless accusations completely unfound in Bible.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@jont43 Well, I will say it again, God didn't want robots, he wanted intelligent beings that would choose him, he allows it to continue for the time being so that we can choose him. This doesn't make him the creator of evil, nor does it make him evil. To the contrary it makes Him benevolent in the sense that He gave us an option and isn't forcing us to do anything.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@lilpwnige God doesn't require misfits and mutations like Evolution. God did not become a human at all. You have absolutely no understanding of the Bible.
JamesRideout123 1 month ago
@lilpwnige Don't forget that he needed a blood sacrifice, but apparently had changed his way so much from the Old Testament that he didn't want any of us regular humans to do it (even though he used to be all for it) so he came down in human form, essentially sacrificing himself... TO HIMSELF. Which, if you know you're resurrecting in 3 days and spending eternity in paradise, isn't much of a sacrifice. Nice reply!
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 No, see, originally we had to provide sacrifices that would cover sin, but since it wasn't perfect, it wouldn't cover everything. So Jesus, God's son, who lived a perfect life died for us so we know longer have to do sacrifices. He covers the sins of those who follow him. It is in His resurrection He conquered sin and death so that we can have confidence in the grace He has so lovingly given to all of us. And death is death, a resurrection doesn't counter act it.
snowmanbob101 1 month ago
@snowmanbob101 God condones slavery, genocide, murder, rape, bigotry, the subjugation of women, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, incest and more. What kind of morality is that?
jont43 1 month ago
@jont43 slavery that lasts to a maximum of 7 years that is not race based to pay off debts. Genocide of a group of people that burned babies in sacrifice to pagan gods, He never condoned murder, nor rape, bigotry, christianity is the first religion that treated women as equals to men, incest is condemned multiple times with the punishment being execution, animal sacrifice was to cover our sins until the perfect one could be made. You can twist facts, but I can untwist them.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 The slavery lasted only 7 years if it was slavery of another Jew. Read it again. Jews could enslave non-Jews for as long as they wanted. Also, it says they can beat their slaves as long as they don't die within "a day or two." That's not working off a debt. That's slavery. The genocide included killing all the babies and taking the virgins as wives. God said to stone homosexuals to death. I call that murder. If you disagree, go kill some gay people. Or are you too moral for god?
jont43 1 week ago
@jont43 Look, first it was twisting stuff, now its just straight lying? The slavery argument is over, I won because your lying, and when that happens, I win. Yes, you kill everyone, at this time period thats how things worked, they didn't have peace treaties or diplomacy, it was join us, die, or flee. People fought till one of those happened. He did say to stone homosexuals, now I'm trying to save them. I answered your questions, you have dodged. I refute, you make up. I win.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 Making stuff up? Not at all. Everything I mentioned is in the Bible. Read Exodus 21:20 (the bit about smiting servants as long as they don't die within a day or two),
As far as taking the virgins and killing the rest, check out Numbers 31: 1-40. Sorry if you don't know your Bible as well as I do. This act was ordered by God. That's all I ever said. Look it up.
jont43 1 week ago
@jont43 I am glad you can nit pick things you like, the rest of chapter 21 in Exodus is talking about everything I said, treating them well, feeding them, etc. I never made the argument that they didn't kill all non virgin women. So you are making straw man arguments, know answer my simple questions I asked, what is evil? How do we define it?
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 I don't define it and I don't care to. You say I nit-pick, but what's that matter? If you rescued a baby from a burning building, then raped the mother, does that make you a good person? God says you can beat your servants basically to death (as long as death isn't immediate) but because he also said you should generally be good to them, that makes the other part okay? Your morality is seriously flawed. Don't reply if you can't be honest.
jont43 1 week ago
@jont43 Where does it ever condone rape? You never proved it was race based, which was the only thing I originally argued against, and now the evidence is out, and it turns out, it isn't race based. Just verses ahead of that horrible torture verse it talks of treating them right and how they have the right to go to the elders of the town (judiciaries) and plead their case for freedom. And since you can't define morality, you can't use it in your argument, basic logic principles.
snowmanbob101 5 days ago
@snowmanbob101 When god orders the killing of all the male and non-virgin female Midianites in Numbers 31, he says to keep the virgins for themselves. If someone killed you for your sins against god and took your daughter as his wife, do you think she'd be willingly marrying and having sex with him? That's rape.
jont43 5 days ago
@snowmanbob101 Morality is a word defined by mankind. If you are one who believes that only "god" can define it or that we are only moral because of "him," then I present the history of mankind before Judaism (and later, Christianity) existed. Without the word of your god, people flourished. There are good and bad people in nearly equal portions, regardless of the religion they take as truth.
jont43 5 days ago
@jont43 Ok, you say that morality is defined by man, that makes it relative. In the nation of Israel's eyes then, it was morally justifiable and correct to do what they did, it was morally correct for the Nazi's to kill Jews, homosexuals, and all non-whites, because they defined morality the same way you did. If there isn't an absolute standard, you have no right to condemn their actions because in there definition, they are correct.
snowmanbob101 3 days ago
@jont43 Bill Clinton escaped impeachment because he forced the prosecutors to define the word "the", they didn't do it, and we know Clinton won. Now, if you can define morality, or better yet, ethics without any dependence on an absolute ethics system that you so heavily rely on in your argumentation, reasonable people will come to the conclusion that you have personal qualms against it and not logical ones. I shouldn't have to help you defend your own arguments but this is just pitiful.
snowmanbob101 5 days ago
@snowmanbob101 He didn't escape impeachment. Yet another thing you clearly don't understand. Impeachment is a formal process in which an official is accused of unlawful activity. Clinton was impeached on Dec. 19, 1998. He was acquitted on Feb. 12, 1999. My arguments are irrelevant, as are yours. There's no proof for your god. It's funny how you think mine are pitiful, but mine are based on the actual words in your religion's book. You are blinded by your ridiculous faith.
jont43 5 days ago
@jont43 Clinton was only impeached by the House, not the senate, both are required. You have only objected, for you to "win" this argument, you must put on the table a logical idea to replace mine. Anyone can try to bash a viewpoint, but without offering something up to replace it, its just empty rabble. And I would argue to the contrary to your statement that their is no proof of my God. Infact I think our very existence points to it. Anyways, you have dodged putting any out any ideas.
snowmanbob101 5 days ago
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jont43 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 Here: "Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(31:18) "But all the women and children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
jont43 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 Hosea 13:16 is the verse about ripping up pregnant women (killing unborn babies in the process) not the same as the genocide part - I made a slight error as to its place in the Bible. It is till there. "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
jont43 1 week ago
@jont43 Hosea 13:16 is prophecy, the Bible is an R rated book that includes history, poetry, prophecy, and Biblical lessons about God's nature. No one said the Bible was going to be a happy go-lucky filled book that would have an easy 12 program. I never said it was always Politically Correct in everything, and if it was, then it would be fake.
snowmanbob101 1 week ago
@snowmanbob101 You said I was lying. You said the things I said weren't in the Bible. I showed you they are there. It makes no difference how you interpret them or what excuses you make for them. They're there. You can't admit you were wrong. I don't believe in anything for which no evidence exists. You have a presupposition that clearly hinders your view of morality. if you ever decide to drop that ridiculously immoral book of yours for something a bit more human, let me know.
jont43 1 week ago
@jont43 And you are, You referenced slavery as if it was a racial issue, I addressed that it wasn't and you helped prove that by posting verses. You displayed the conquering of Canaan as if it were like the holocaust when in fact it was eradicating an incestuous, violent, babe murdering, group of people. The Midianites who did not partake in idol worship were mostly virgin women, maybe you would know that if you actually studied Canaanite and Midianite cultures, but you were busy I guess.
snowmanbob101 4 days ago
@jont43 I would say you can't admit you are wrong, its a double edged sword coming from relative standpoints. And there is plenty of evidence, you just don't care to look at it both ways. I am a former atheist. I followed Anthony Flew, Christopher Hitchens, and Dawkins. The fact is I changed and Anthony Flew even changed opinions because of the facts my friend. Even C. S. Lewis was an atheist along with Josh McDowell until they actually looked at it objectively.
snowmanbob101 4 days ago
@jont43 We both have presuppositions to our arguments, yours though must borrow from mine the idea that an ethical standard exists, the natural of external reality is knowable, the laws logic are uniform and absolute, the idea that the external reality can be studied using an ordered process, etc. I borrow nothing from you. See the trade balance issue here? AGAIN, WHAT IS THE ABSOLUTE STANDARD OF ETHICS IF THE BIBLE IS A LIE AND THERE IS NO GOD? Prove yourself competent.
snowmanbob101 4 days ago
@jont43 By the way, if I was a Midianite or Canaanite woman who was most likely raped as a daughter under pagan practices, used a as prostitute for a source of income, and treated like crap (which is still they way they treat women in the middle east outside of Israel) I would gladly join a society that executes or exiles those that commit such acts.
snowmanbob101 4 days ago