Attorneys are not Regulate and Licensed by the Goverment. Attorney do not carry any liabilities. The Attorneys BAR= MAFIA. Judges are part of the BAR=MAFIA... Pro se chance to Win in the Legal System = Zero. If you are a Pro se is because you have no money now and will have no money to appeal.. Even if the Pro se... present motions, litigate, call the Constitution... will not win. The Legal System like any other institution is for Sale. Attorney pay off Judges by constributions to Campaing.
I watched one pro se defendant show up to a motion for summary judgment hearing and she hadn't filed a written response. The judge gave her as much help as he legally could and led her by the nose to request that she be allowed to file a written response. She caved in later. I've won pro se because I took the time to learn the rules, case law, statutes and know how to be a bully without pissing the court off. I'm still an amateur at litigation, but I've gone toe to toe with licensed attorneys.
@garand555 I've had similar success. I've found that 90 % of it has to do with procedure. While the court will liberally construe your pleading to raise the best argument that it suggests, they will not however, construe procedure or evidence in your favor. If you have access to a law library and know how to use it, the law is really a level playing field. Rule one: NEVER interrupt the district judge. That's what I always tell fellow lay pro se litigants.
Pro se's win in family court when they do it right...I did it. See "HowIgotCustody" dot o-r-g
Case law in WA state says that pro se's are held to same standard as an attorney. It's just that they always cut the attorneys a break when the attorney files late, makes a procedural error etc.
This guy is not a "lawyer." And, pro se litigants are not held to the same standards as trained attorneys. They are usually held to a higher standard. A judge will do anything to protect their colleagues.
@akmrmike wrote, "This guy is obviously a "lawyer" There is case law upholding that pro se litigants are not held to the same standards as trained lawyers."
You're providing incompetent legal advice. Case law applies on a jurisdiction by jurisdiction basis. That one jurisdiction may hold pro se litigants to "lower standards" certainly DOES NOT mean that all jurisdictions do so.
Your ignorance of this most basic principle of law underscores why pro se litigants so often lose in court.
Most pro se resources, especially at the courthouses are full of idiots who don't know what the heck they're talking about...including the volunteer lawyers. Learn from someone who ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED pro se, not from theories of some stranger who doesn't care about your case and who didn't do their own case. -----> HowIgotCustody dot o-r-g or dot c-o-m
Pro Se can win reliably by imposing unberable legal costs on the opposing party stupid enough to hire a lawyer until they ran out of money or of willingness to pay their lawyer. Secondly an opposing lawyer facing what he thinks an ignorant Pro Se idiot against whom he imagines anything goes always cuts corners, violates rules and is doomed by his misconduct. Cost and misconduct assure Pro Se victory - you just need to hang in there long enough. See Yahoo group: Legal_Self _Representation
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SoloLawyers 1 week ago
Attorneys are not Regulate and Licensed by the Goverment. Attorney do not carry any liabilities. The Attorneys BAR= MAFIA. Judges are part of the BAR=MAFIA... Pro se chance to Win in the Legal System = Zero. If you are a Pro se is because you have no money now and will have no money to appeal.. Even if the Pro se... present motions, litigate, call the Constitution... will not win. The Legal System like any other institution is for Sale. Attorney pay off Judges by constributions to Campaing.
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ForeclosureMD 1 month ago
I watched one pro se defendant show up to a motion for summary judgment hearing and she hadn't filed a written response. The judge gave her as much help as he legally could and led her by the nose to request that she be allowed to file a written response. She caved in later. I've won pro se because I took the time to learn the rules, case law, statutes and know how to be a bully without pissing the court off. I'm still an amateur at litigation, but I've gone toe to toe with licensed attorneys.
garand555 1 month ago
@garand555 I've had similar success. I've found that 90 % of it has to do with procedure. While the court will liberally construe your pleading to raise the best argument that it suggests, they will not however, construe procedure or evidence in your favor. If you have access to a law library and know how to use it, the law is really a level playing field. Rule one: NEVER interrupt the district judge. That's what I always tell fellow lay pro se litigants.
constitution2me 1 month ago
Pro se's win in family court when they do it right...I did it. See "HowIgotCustody" dot o-r-g
Case law in WA state says that pro se's are held to same standard as an attorney. It's just that they always cut the attorneys a break when the attorney files late, makes a procedural error etc.
prosedad1 1 month ago
You are sooooo right.
Spark916916 5 months ago
This guy is not a "lawyer." And, pro se litigants are not held to the same standards as trained attorneys. They are usually held to a higher standard. A judge will do anything to protect their colleagues.
jibullock 6 months ago
This guy is obviously a "lawyer" There is case law upholding that pro se litigants are not held to the same standards as trained lawyers.
akmrmike 6 months ago
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@akmrmike wrote, "This guy is obviously a "lawyer" There is case law upholding that pro se litigants are not held to the same standards as trained lawyers."
You're providing incompetent legal advice. Case law applies on a jurisdiction by jurisdiction basis. That one jurisdiction may hold pro se litigants to "lower standards" certainly DOES NOT mean that all jurisdictions do so.
Your ignorance of this most basic principle of law underscores why pro se litigants so often lose in court.
forthedefence82 2 months ago
Thank you,to the point
4sovereignT 6 months ago
Most pro se resources, especially at the courthouses are full of idiots who don't know what the heck they're talking about...including the volunteer lawyers. Learn from someone who ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED pro se, not from theories of some stranger who doesn't care about your case and who didn't do their own case. -----> HowIgotCustody dot o-r-g or dot c-o-m
prosedad1 7 months ago
Pro Se can win reliably by imposing unberable legal costs on the opposing party stupid enough to hire a lawyer until they ran out of money or of willingness to pay their lawyer. Secondly an opposing lawyer facing what he thinks an ignorant Pro Se idiot against whom he imagines anything goes always cuts corners, violates rules and is doomed by his misconduct. Cost and misconduct assure Pro Se victory - you just need to hang in there long enough. See Yahoo group: Legal_Self _Representation
AdrenalineAddicted 9 months ago 6
Learn the rules!
chukchee 9 months ago