Homeopathic remedies may very well be of some use as a modecom of prevention at best but as for me when i was diagnosed Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome I opted to take the meds prescribed to me by an educated physician sorry but ill let the rest of the world take their chances on the guy on aisle 10 at Whole Foods and his advice. When im sick i pray as i get dressed and call 911 or a taxi
Seems like there are not too many places teaching homeopathy (found 5 in the US), but that figure is still depressing though. But it's not just about homeopathy being taught. Homeopathic useless remedies are still sold in pharmacies, people still buy them, and still think they work.
The 2006 Lancet study's lead author, statistical analyst Matthias Egger of the University of Berne wrote "We have shown that the effects seen in placebo-controlled trials of homeopathy are compatible with the placebo hypothesis." In its editorial, The Lancet urged doctors to tell their patients about the absurd dilutions on which homoeopathy lays its claims (the weaker the solution the more effective the medicine is claimed to be), and the lack of benefits of taking homeopathic remedies.
@skywize: “Nothing is wrong with homeopathic drugs! How could there be? It's just water” — Not quite. They're often filled with stuff like zince at “low potency” i.e. high concentrations, enough to destroy the nerves used in the sense of smell.
@hekata5 "so modern medicine doesn't do a thing for me..." - Absolute crap. It treats the people around you, which helps prevent you getting sick yourself. I wouldn't call that not doing a thing for you....
You know, judging from the size of those droplets from the taps at the end in comparison to the glasses, those were more like homeopathic martinis than lagers.
I can't speak to homeopathy. On its face it looks ridiculous, but I'd actually not be surprised if it is useful in some round about fashion.
I can say that I now trust herbal/traditional medicine over medical science. My experiences with medical science have been, not only underwhelming, but hazardous to my health.
If I need surgery, or emergency care I'd go to the hospital. But for pretty much everything else, I'm going to Mrs. Thompson's first.
yes, this is a good rule of thumb. Myself, family and everyone I know have also not had good experiences with mainstream (sic) medicine. Homeopathy is a science within itself--not a lot to do with corporate/university paid science.
Sorry to go on as I have, but when you said you were a herbalist I thought it would be good to explain things in a bit more detail-originally I thought you were perhaps just another kid mouthing off on the internet lol best
@wawei67 No problem. I am not a professional herbalist, I don't earn a living from it. I practice on myself, friends, family and pets. I read my first herbal manual when I was 14yo IIRC and have been studying herbalism since then. I try and read all the available papers on a plant so that I understand how it works and to determine if it will interact with other herbs and/or medications.
@MuslimahMelika 'Get me some Wolfsbane also known as monks hood' professor Snape tells all the first years this, but I dunno, it could have been unintended by the show.
@MuslimahMelika Wow imagine having the borders of your relaity defined by a fictional movie. That's scary. Monkshood is _Aconitum variegatum_ it is a plant that is used to create the homeopathic remedy "Aconite" which homeopaths believe can treat "sudden illness", sudden fevers, shock and fright. You really need to stop letting fiction "educate" you.
I've had extensive use of aconite for very violent shock, physical attack --it's fabulous, works a treat-- that and arnica--what a couple of remedies!! Every home should have one of each, fuck doctors and their bullshit aspirins and other drugs that COVER the symptoms. Hey Piotr, you know according to the AMA that about 100,000 deaths a year occur in the U.S. from DOCTOR prescribed medications? And no, overdosing is NOT included!!!
@MuslimahMelika The problem isn't that you didn't know the Latin name, it's that you didn't know that Monkshood is a real plant. This suggests that the Harry Potter movies are the first and only place where you encountered "Monkshood" thinking that it was something that Rowling made up. Clearly that is a demonstration of ignorance. A general knowledge would include some understanding of botany. There is nothing wrong with my knowledge of grammar, I'm a crap typist.
@PiotrThePrimate I did know that it was a real plant, I just assumed that the fact he'd mentioned it in exactly the same way as Snape did might have been deliberate. And I wouldn't have pointed the grammar mistakes out, but you'd been so pedantic with me, so I decided that I'd do the same.
@MuslimahMelika Yeah ok, its no big deal. Even if you were mistaken its not a huge deal. Its just that it wasn't a Harry Potter reference in the comedy sketch, Monkshood is one of the most commonly prescribed homeopathic remedies. Your original remark just seemed weird. All is forgiven. I shouldn't have added to the commentary, it was a cheap shot on my part. We both came to this video to laugh at homeopathy so it shouldn't end on a bitter note.
@MuslimahMelika It wasnt harry potter - monkshood is a real plant. It was mentioned in harry potter just like they mention doors and stairs. Is harry potter your only frame of reference or something?
@mphello One of the most maddening things abouyt homeopathy deniars (haha) is that they neither know the science of it (whcih is 'mainstream' science btw) , nor try it, nor read the literature, NOR SUBJECT IT TO PROPER SCINTIFIC STUDDIES) Homeopathy is far safer than allopathic mediine, has dramatic efficacy etc etc. I NEVER see you ideologues talking of the pharma industry and its life-threatening products, many of which are in daily use--it's because you are IDEOLOGUES.
The thing that enrages me most about you science-and-logic-deniers is that you have failed to prove that this worthless bullshit called homeopathy, which is just water, does ANYTHING of value (other than giving you a drink of water when you're thirsty), and you cannot disprove that *I* have cured you and all your friend's ailments over the past 5 decades (since I was born), because you're too stupid to logically compute cause and effect.
Haha In your response you have illustrated a few things-one is you are an anti-scientific bigot, two, you are extremely prejudiced in favour of the pharmaceutical industry and three, you know NOTHING about homeopathy-you've neither tried it , nor know how it works lol (and no no doubt you are proud of that fact haha). I didn't 'believe' in it til I had to rely on it for all sorts of SERIOUS ailments and injuries--I have EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH IT. I know this means nothing to you
Can't argue with 'logic' like yours lol Yes, I only "imagine" homeopathy has cured my ailments, injuries and the like haha. What a funny world we live in where someone whos been told they have the right to an opinion feels the need to press that 'right' onto unwitting victims like me--
I think it's called "democracy" lol The least you could say/admit in my addled case is "Long LIve Placebo!" then hahahaha
@wawei67 I want to stress that non-specific effects including placebo does not mean that the healing is imaginary or a type of self-delusion. If you are taking that meaning then I can see why you would be irate. Placebo effect constitues real healing as do non-specific effects such as the natural history of a disease (eg. disease is self-limiting and passes after a certain time without any intervention). Please don't read "placebo" as saying you are self-deluded and only imagined a cure.
@wawei67 You can't know how homeopathy works because it simply doesn't work. Hahnemann's ideas are quite simple it doesn't take a genius to understand them. Its just pre-scientific superstitious nonsense the effects of which are entirely non-specific i.e. nothing to do with the actual homeopathic remedy. It is actually embarassing that in the 21st century we are actually debating whether distilled water and lactose pills can have anything other than non-specific effects.
oh, I see, sorry I thought it worked when it healed/cured me, sorry, my mistake...damn! You'll find the ongoing science of physics bears out the science of homeopathy quite well and exactly. But you can't see that (pun intended haha) can you.
@wawei67 But that is the very kernel of this argument. How do you know with any degree of confidence that it was the homepathic remedies that cured. I don't doubt your honesty but in the absence of a randomised controlled study (with a placebo and control arm) you can't be certain that the homepathic remedies effect was non-specific. I am a fan of herbalism and use it daily and there is lots of evidence for the effiacy of many herbal remedies but there is no comparable evidence for homeopathy
@PiotrThePrimate I have extensive experience with homeopathy on myself and in prescribing for others.The most amazing thing about this is that I have always been into herbalism etc BUT COULD NOT understand homeopathy except for it being some kind of New Age bullshit hyper-occult faith based esoteric form of quackery haha. BUT have I been proved wrong haha I had to change my WHOLE paradigm largely because of its use in my life and the very real science I learnt as a consequence of that.
@wawei67 I am happy for you that you health has been restored but I can't accept homeopathy. Also I am disappointed that some people don't distinguish between herbalism and homeopathy and think they are the same thing. Herbalism works in the same way that pharmaceuticals do, the models that explain how drugs work (eg. receptor binding) also explain how herbs work. But homeopathy is just wacky, it contradicts large bodies of well-proven theory in physics, chemistry, pharmacology and physiology
haha--it doesn't matter if homeopathy is lumped with herbalism--that's your prejudice. Many, many people simply think herbalism is bunk--doesn;t matter what Emonographs you give them etc,they are simply prejudiced too and against anything different. whether its blacks, women or natural medicine,you can see thta the opposition to taking such thinigs seriously is purely PSYCHOLOGICAL and prejudicial.Look at some of those hacks who are against natural meds-they seem NUTS lol
And again NO, homeopathy DOES NOT contradict these theories, sometimes it does but that's because the theories (THEORIES!!) will die a natural deathas they always do when capitalist/pharma medicine lets things evolve. A guy somewhere did a large sample review of the of medical literature research (he was a mainstream type) Fully two thirds! of those papers proved WRONG in their findnigs/conclusions through practical science--but they are still out there, stilll referenced!
@wawei67 Homeopathy has been subject to numerous "PROPER SCINTIFIC STUDDIES" and these studies have even been meta-analysed and reviewed and they still find that homeopathy works no better than placebo. Homeopathy is safer than "allopathic medicine" because the purported remedies are just water. Since water doesn't require metabolism or bind to any receptors it can't produce any adverse reactions.
Homeopathy has not been subject to proper "scientific" tests cause they re done with no regard to the scince of homeopathy --same with most herbal tests--they are simply a waste of time. They are conducted as if the subsatnces were high dose pharmaceuticals. It doesn't take a child to see the fallacy of such 'tests'. Why do people insist that "science" is fair, unbiased, etc etc --it's pure madness to insist and shows both your lack of knowledge and integrity.
@wawei67 Sorry you are wrong here. I have been practicing herbalism since I was a teen (I am now middle-aged) and there are literally thousands of papers on PubMed that establish the therapeutic efficacy of various herbal remedies. Herbalism has been validated as a therapeutic modality via the scientific method: many herbs work. Homeopathy on the other hand has failed every single test. I wholly embrace herbalism but I wholly reject homeopathy -- it is superstition.
Thats because herbalism is conducted under the same 'allopathic' tests as are other extractions of whatever. Homeopathy is different,VERY different-it deals in dilutions and VERY SPECIFIC cross-matching of symptoms. Compared to this way of doing things herbalism is like pharma drugs--quantitity not quality if you get my meaning. I'm familiar with PubMed and the EMonographs etc but that doesn't stop the medical profession from NOT taking it seriously.They are trying to ban herbs across the board.
@wawei67 I'm from Australia and the Australian Medical Association and the Therapeutic Goods Admnistration have largely backed off from trying to outlaw herbs. The governement did recently outlaw the importation of Kava (which is a pity because it is a proven remedy for anxiety and works as well as benzodiazepenes) but they did so only because Australian aborigines were abusing it rather than because of a broader anti-herb agenda.
@wawei67 I was also disappointed when Customs prohibited the importation of kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) because it is useful for treating opiate withdrawal. I do agree though that the government together with the medical profession (rather than pharma because in many cases pharama also make herbal pills and capsules) have deskilled herbalists. They have denied herbalists some of the most important plants in the western herbal pharmacopeia. I do have some sympathy with your position.
Its not my "position" and I certainly don't want sympathy. It's a conspiracy and always has been. It's not possible to practice real medicial herbalism in Europe now because of the bans and restrictions on plants-this has been carefully planned for decades
With homeopathy we see the American Medical Association going to war over it as the emergent drug companies sought to obliterate its popularity around the 1900's-it's fact and it's why noone supports it anymore-they won!
That's what gets my goat about these "skeptics" (no room for debate there is there!) or "rationalists"-if they were rational they'd see that homeopathy was science (complex, ever changing, ultimately unknowable because of that) and that western "science" was an attempt to control that flux. They NEVER present any understanding of the workings of homeopathy! It's like that Dawkins series where he SET OUT TO DISPROVE ALL 'natural' helaing no matter what the evidence to the contrary!
I should say something about placebo (self-delusion? haha) versus the dosages I took. It was only AFTER taking prescribed remedies for my injuries etc that I read about the likely effects of said on my condition so 'reding' into the healing was lessened. I took a number of remedies over time (prescribed by others) and they had DRAMATIC effects almost instantaneously on bruising, muscle pain, post-traumatic-stress-disorder, organ malfunxction... One can actually FEEl them working in the body.
@wawei67 Placebo insn't self-delusion. I am not arguing that you have deluded yourself. The placebo response is real healing that is triggered by belief. The limits of placebo appear to be that it has an effect on only inflammatory illness (illness with an acute phase response). Although we have learnt that many more conditions involve inflammation than once thought, inflammation doesn't applt to _all_ disease. Also, not everyone exhibits a placebo response.
@PiotrThePrimate - A placebo is an ineffectual treatment intended to deceive the patient. Placebos by definition do not have any medical effect in the organism. Placebos do affect the psychological aspect of disease (people tend to feel a bit better when they believe they are being treated, such as in homeopathy, acupuncture, meditation, etc.). The body has its own mechanisms to overcome illness, and during the process of disease patients will have good days and bad days even without placebos.
@LegionarioCruel "Placebos by definition do not have any medical effect in the organism" That is incorrect, placebos have a biological substrate. In the conext of analgesia the endogenous opioid system and cholecystokinin system is activated; in the conext of inflammatory illness placebos can also immunosuppressive response. Refer Benedetti et al (2005) "Neurobiological mechanisms of the placebo effect" [PMID: 1628057].
@LegionarioCruel No, not from the placebo itself but from the belief in the efficacy of the inert substance or sham treatment. Your contention was that the placebo produces no actual physiological response which it completely incorrect.
@LegionarioCruel The placebo is indeed a sham treatment but it has been known for many years now that the belief in the sham treatment triggers endogenous opiod releases and immunosuppression and that these are the two main mechanisms by which placebos have an effect. You seem to be trying to lecture me on a topic you plainly know nothing about.
@LegionarioCruel An accessible introduction to this topic is "Placebo: Mind over Matter in Modern Medicine" by Dylan Evans. Much of the research is summarised therein.
@PiotrThePrimate - •Koshi EB, Short CA (2007) Placebo theory and its implications for research and clinical practice: a review of the recent literature. Pain Pract 7:4-20. PMID 17305673 "New theories on placebo mechanisms have shown that placebo represents the psychosocial aspect of every treatment and the study of placebo is essentially the study of psychosocial context that surrounds the patient."
@LegionarioCruel Yes, the psychosocial aspect refers to the interaction between the patients expectations regarding the treatment and the treaters apparent authority and credibility. That patient-placebo-treater triad triggers an actual physiological response viz. endogenous opiod release and immunosuppression.
@PiotrThePrimate - My only point is to make clear placebos (including homeopathy) are not actual treatment options. Real medicines are tested to ensure they perform BETTER than placebo.
@LegionarioCruel I think I know more about placebos, randomised controlled trials and pharmacology than you (as evidenced bu your remarks thus far) so please don't talk down to me . I know full well that the measure of a drug's efficacy is that it performs better than a placebo. That wasn't your initial remark. You made a grossly incorrect remark about the nature of placebos and I corrected you. Please don't try and misrepresent what I have posted.
...and they feel like nothing I've experienced with herbs etc. I have since read up on the science of homeopathy and yes, it correlates exactly with all my many experiences. The body according to western science is just ONE part of the overall picture. And placebo also is a REAL thing-it is NOT imagination-it is self-healing! It is not,as defined by the drug industry,an unknowable phantom-it is good for all patients,something I doubt the one-size-fits-all high dose killer drugs can claim.
@wawei67 A major problem in relation to homeopathy is that the theory that it is predicated upon is at odds with fundamental science (chemitrsy and physics) and this basic science is well-established and well-proven. The fundamentals of chemistry -- for example -- have such a strong inductive basis that they are, for all practical purposes, certainties. It is highly improbable that we are wrong about the fundamentals of chemistry and that the basics are due to be revised.
well, it's like the science of chemistry is NOT applied to the science of physics--see the difference? So homeopathy also has its own rules whcih are NOT those of medical chemistry as such. This approach is very "scientific" whereas expecting homeopathy to behave like chemical extracts IS NOT!!. Peolpe for some blind reason just won't see this. It's pure prejudice. I agree with the placebo stuff you wrote.
@wawei67 Actually, chemistry has its roots in physics and biology has its roots in chemistry. The reason why atoms behave as they do is explained by nuclear physics. Nothing a physicist says contradicts what a chemist says, they simply study the universe at a different scale. Homeopathy however, greatly contradicts a great many things and thus, must also provide a great deal of evidence before it is to be taken seriously. Your understanding of "cutting edge physics" are mere generalizations.
My "mere generalisations" are expressed that way cause of the brevity of youtube posts--as to my "understanding", you simply have no idea. Now that you have established the sameness of the sciences we can talk truth. Homeopathy works spectacularly well when prescribed correctly (something 'researchers' refuse to do!) so what is going on here? Why the cover up? Why would something that works this well (you'll have to do the modicum of research into this) be completely smeared?
Since you won't be doing any research (as happens with all 'you' types haha) here, watch some entertaining youtube vids: Olavius2 Proves Homeopathy to James Randi
as well as Bandershots funny/sarcastic/erudite/seen and heard it all before vids
Then on to: Randi denounced by Sheldrake, so as to see where a lot of this modern day witch hunt of modalities like homeopathy comes from and what kind of personalities give birth to such.
check this: The Homeopathic Molecule Supramolecular Process for some homeopathic science basics and to fill in some of the gaps in your understanding of chemistry.
@wawei67 Research is not about Youtube videos. It is the systematic testing of hypotheses and I happen to do that for a living. Point out which physics model or theory says "less is more" and how it applies to homeopathy. You also have a flawed understanding of what "theory" means in science. Hint: It's not a hypothesis. You could be testing aspirin or homeopathic medicine or even the use of bandages and a clinical trial would still be applicable and demonstrate efficacy or lack thereof.
@tankiawee Dr Rustum Roy's research-there's a long inteview on youtube.
You can find research on homeopathy if you look for example at the youtube posts by Bandershot and the 'footnotes' provided. Beyond that I can't help someone with your ideological bias. i'm being honest, NOT sarcastic.
"science" is not a SCIENCE! It is evolving and being shown to be flawed all the time--you have to grow up and accept this fact.
@wawei67 Again, Youtube videos mean nothing. Science evolves, yes, but by evidence and continually pushing back the boundaries of human knowledge. Homeopathy fails clinical trials and is incompatible with current understanding of chemistry and biology, both of which have massive amounts of evidence to back them up. It's not about bias, it's about you not providing the goods. Where's that "less is more" theory? Wiki-link is fine. Where are the successful clinical trials? Where are the papers?
"youtube videos mean nothing" is a loaded phrase that shows your bias!
I've given you some science to investigate (including clinical info), now go do it (you will find the 'truth' you seem to want )--do I have to pay you to do it like the companies/institutions/ you bow to?
@wawei67 Science is self correcting meaning it's not flawed, it simply updates & corrects previous information. It kind of evolves and fishes out the truth & drops inaccurate information or beliefs. VS homeopathy that just believes something because someone said so or because that's the way it has been done for generations. No testing to see if something really works. Science eventually throws out useless things while homeopathy defends & continues useless practices.
@shananagans5 Well it's not "self-correcting" when there is an ideological witchhunt against it haha. I've used homeopathy extensively for all sorts of things--its FANTASTIC !! I DID NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD WORK (TO SAY THE LEAST LOL) UNTIL I TRIED IT! Checkout Dr Rustum Roys (an eminent scientist) talk on youtube--How Homeopathy Works--there are other things that deal with this but this is a good place to start. It's important to go where the SCIENCE goes and NOT just parrot prejudices.
@wawei67 It sounds wonderful, but people like myself would really like to have proof in the form of a double blind test which would for once and for all settle it. Such tests have not ruled in favor of homeopathy so far.
There are videos on YouTube on homeopathy by actual homeopaths, but what they present as 'science' is meaningless babble, they talk about non-existing energies and particles we cannot detect.
Yes, physics also talks of non-existing "particles we can't detect" too-but they get BILLIONS to research them LOL!!!! (as in Large Hadron Collider). Check out the Cambridge professor
I can only assume you are aliar by profession? If not and if you haven't yet looked for the evidence then check out HuffingtonPost article:
The Disinformation Campaign Against Homeopathy and all the evidence etc at the end of it. It's a MUST read before you keep closing yourself off on this.
@wawei67 your actually very wrong here, we can detect these particles, we just can't see them. If we couldn't detect the particles we wouldn't be trying to create them and find them.. have you seen a Geiger counter? The devices used to measure radiation levels, they work entirely by detecting the particles that hit them. And btw on your other comment how does a physics professor supporting homeopathy support your argument in any way? It is no where near his speciality!
Why does it need to be someones "specialty" to understand and use the medicine of homeopathy? This is the ideology of the specialist/expert fetish gone mad lol. Most doctors, physicists and scientists in general spout negative about homeopathy and none of them know anything about it/it's not their 'field''- what's more, since it works extremely well, they are wrong haha! Do you apply the same 'logic' of specialism to creators of statin drugs that kill patients for example??
I take it you mean the latest chemistry and physics research which explains homeopathy (and many other 'mysteries') to a tee? I know you know nothing of physics, either it's theoretical or actual applications--I, on the other hand 'do' physics at University, both teaching and research. BTW most of my 'colleagues' are quite averse to real science (such as non-corporate science) just like you...misery likes company.
Woops--I maent : check out the Cambridge professor (and Nobel winner) Brian Josephson who is at the Cavendish Laborarotory (one of the worlds top physics joints).
See his website--he supports homeopahy and many other things people are too scared/blind to cause he knows of the evidence for such.
Try to understand that you ,as a researcher only research things within the paradigm of accepted 'science' so you exclude what doesn't agree with that paradigm. There is an established literature on this, as you know.
@wawei67 You're still not providing the goods. Are Youtube videos and blog posts the best evidence that homeopathy has to offer? Less is more? You keep dodging the crux of the issue, that efficacy has not been established.
sorry, your personality is consolidated--there is nowhere for me to make headway with you...it's your problem at this stage. If you are really that interested in the issue I can ASSURE you homeopahty is a powerful science of medicine (i have extensive use of it in my life with some serious conditions for a long period--what you would derisively call "anecdotal evidence"lol). if you don't want to read the research I can't help you---lazy bastard haha
@wawei67 Accepted paradigms became accepted with clinical trials & studies to see how things work. It's not like someone decided how things work & the only studies ever done were designed to support that. We are constantly trying to prove they other guy wrong & replace wrong info with correct info or a better theory. Homeopathy practices were studied & dropped because they didn't work. Stuff that works is developed & becomes part of the accepted paradigm until there is something even better.
You must also understand that certain things get dropped not because they don't work, but because they work to well. I am not arguing this for homeopathy, but the idea of "planned obsolescence" does apply to medicine as well, and has been applied by Pharmaceutical company's for decades. The medical community of today usually only does one thing, it medicates, it never solves the problem, it just keeps the patient alive, because that is profitable.
@NeutralExistence I think you're a bit too pessimistic here. My father works for a medical company, mixing chemicals and whatnot, and he says they're trying to cure diseases and improve general health, but only as long as they can profit from it. They would never keep people from getting cured or choose not to eradicate a disease if they can, but you are right in the sense that the top priority is making money.
Of course some one working in the industry is going to have this perspective, they are taught in schools which get the majority of their funding from Big Pharma. Without that funding these schools would have to close down in the wake of reduced government grants, so its quite a bit of influence. Check out vitamin B-17, labeled quackery by the FDA, yet proves time, and time to be a stable anti cancer medication. Yet they allow dangerous chemo drugs.
@NeutralExistence Rolf, call it by its real name, Amygdalin. It is not a vitamin by any stretch of the definition. Thats something you can't attribute to 'Big Pharma', it simply does not fall under the lable. People like you use the term vitamin to lend legitimacy to its fantastically thin claims.
Comical, lets see your medical data sheets showing that Vitamin B-17 doesn't work.
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Or perhaps you would take the time to refute the clinical trials etc.. shown in this video that clearly show that this substance does work to cure forms of cancer. I have nothing but time so you can list piece by piece your argument against this substance. Maybe you could send me all the data sheets that you are basing your theory on.
@NeutralExistence Rofl, as you say hun, you have nothing but time, I on the other hand have a life. When I got hit by a car, western medicine rebuilt my leg. When the leg got infected (I missed my dressing change), western medicine gave me antibiotics. When my nan got cancer, western medicine cured her with Chemotherapy. But my anecdotes are not proof, simply stories. I don't need to research it all myself in detail, I trust in scientific consensus, and that is enough for me.
You trust in something you don't understand, I have researched the efficacy of chemotherapy, and found it to be a giant gamble at the cost of thousands of lives each year. Please show me some medical data proving the efficacy of chemotherapy, its a dangerous, and deadly method, that has NEVER been shown to cause "cure over damage". I am 99% sure you have not even attempted to look at alternatives.
@NeutralExistence - "Chemotherapy is highly effective in some cancers, useless in others, and unnecessary in still others. Cytotoxic chemotherapy produces much larger gains for some forms of cancer, including testicular cancer (about 40% of the men who live five years after diagnosis are alive because of chemotherapy), lymphomas (about 13%), and cervical cancer (12%)."
The efficacy of Chemotherapy has never been clinically proven, yet it is allowed to be used on people regularly. Yet there is several other substances which have way less toxicity/danger which have been denied, or are being argued to have their licenses denied because they haven't proved efficacy. The world of medicine is not a place for bias, and yet all to often we see the FDA sitting in big Pharma's lap. Apply your standards to both.
@NeutralExistence - Uhhh, yes it has. The 5year survival for sarcomas in children was about 20 % prior to Adriamycin and Ifosfamide. Now it is about 80%. There are thousands of rigorous scientific papers, and evidence based ones to that prove chemo is effective at killing cancer, prolonging life, shrinking tumors and increasing cancer free survival time as well.
Please don't be ignorant - just do a basic pubmed search, or even Google .
Please show me the source you got that from, I did several searches, and have read numerous pubmed articles. Yet I have not found one proving the efficacy of chemotherapy, but I would be more then happy to read any you can provide. If you could, I would also like you to list some of these "thousands of papers" you claim prove chemotherapy's efficacy, if there is thousands I am sure you can put together a nice list for me rather quick.
@NeutralExistence - You are funny, but still you make no sense. Homeopathy does not work at all, it has been proven over and over again for the past several decades. Chemotherapy DOES work in CERTAIN types of cancer. But when you get cancer you can always try homeopathy if you like, I won't stop you. I guess you are correct in saying homeopathy is "less toxic" than chemo and radio...
Can you please provide me with these studies proving that homeopathy does not work at all? Personally I hold no bias towards it either way, I know people who claim it work, and some that claim otherwise. I was never once referring to homeopathy in any of my arguments however, since I have seen no evidence that it actually works. See unlike yourself I like to remain impartial.... As far as I am concerned both sides have their evident flaws.
@NeutralExistence - You do understand that by requesting studies proving homeopathy does not work you are just evidencing your ignorance on the matter, right?
@NeutralExistence - Oh no, homeopathy is the one making the claim. So homeopathy advocates should demonstrate it works. But it doesn't; we already know that.
@NeutralExistence Homeopathy makes the claim that it works. This can be proved by scientific tests. Up until now there were no scientific tests that proved homeopathy right.
Look at all the cancer drugs that claim to work, yet have shown NO efficacy whatsoever in clinical trials. Drugs that cause side effects which are often worse then the cancer itself for the patient in overall terms of livability. You want to hold high standards up to "alternative medication" then be ready to apply it to your own. I personally consider both sides at serious scientific fault....
Can you please provide me with scientific papers supporting your claim?
Since there is guaranteed to be zero active ingredients, I am sure you can provide numerous data on this, and presumable some FDA studies verifying that you are in fact correct. Then again I have seen no data proving the efficacy of acetaminophen, yet its been used on people for decades under FDA approval. Maybe we have found the problem here... the FDA...
I think tellnet was on to something when he told you to get an education. A Principles of Biology (AKA, the easiest science course there is) is all you should need to realize how completely useless homeopathy is.
Since its so simple, I am sure you can provide plenty of scientific reports backing up your claim. While you are at it you might want to send in some reports to the FDA, and clear up this problem. I am sure since one only needs the basic principles of biology, that the Federal Drug Administration will have it labeled as "no active ingredients", once you send them in your detailed report on the matter of course....
@NeutralExistence I never claimed homeopathic remedies contained 0 active ingredients, that was tellnet. I know they have ingredients. Ingredients so heavily diluted in water that they are rendered entirely useless.
Homeopathic remedies are so extremely dilute that most do not contain a single atom of their claimed active ingredient. The most popular homeopathic remedy, oscillococcinum, is based on a dilution of one part duck liver to 10^400 parts of water. 10^400 is the number 1 with 400 zeroes after it. To make such a dilution, you’d have to mix a single molecule of duck liver with more matter than exists in the entire known universe.
Google "law of infinitesimals". This is a core principles of homeopathy as stated by homeopathic practitioners and companies themselves. It disproves itself.
I fail to see why you guys have such problems producing what I asked for.
homeowatch . org/history/oscillo . html
Clearly what you say is true, however You Tube does not function as a form of scientific "peer review", and I cant link to You Tube comments to prove a point.... Really I feel like I stepped into a Church, and told them God isn't real.... All I wanted was documentation.
@NeutralExistence By the way, who convinced you the FDA is responsible for the body of evidence for medicinal claims? That is far from the truth. Medicinal research groups have to submit their findings to peer reviewed journals, which in turn are studies by the scientific community the world over. The FDA is merely a checkpoint between the scientific community and the market.
I never once stated that the FDA was responsible for the body of evidence for medical claims. However they do have the power to force them to put a "contains no active ingredients" label on all Homeopathic "medications". So like I stated, you should send in some reports to the FDA to clear up this problem, since you are so sure of your claims. While you are at it might want to check out some of the other "medications" the FDA has allowed to masquerade as healthy.
Aslo the science of homeopathy is directly correlative to the findings of physics etc---pillls etc are not!! In 'cutting edge' physics we find the principles of less is more/ the smallest is the most powerful/ the transference of matter otherwise invisible to our senses etc so it is those who deride homeopathy as not possible who are most EMPHATICALLY NOT scientific.
Television believers need their faith in pharmaceutical representatives so when they die of a preventable disease, they can leave their families the holy bill.
The bottom line here is, homeopathy is affecting the jews drug profits. So out comes the programming to push fear and loathing.
@jazzx251 Is the UK the only nation in the wold where the government subsidises homeopathy? I'm wondering what a "homeopathic surgeon" would do. I'm guessing (s)he would cut you with a homeopathic scalpel which would be a blunt piece of metal and then "stich" you up by drawing homepathic stictches on you. I dunno :)
calyx+pazma = hilarious version of some medical sitcom, you can name the one i'm talking about yourself, cause it doesn't matter, it just needs to be diluted with 10:1 water
@kght222 really, they wanted me to type something as stupid as "leirboidtt" after typing something as flawlessly stupid as my previous post just to have it seen. i suppose at least that captcha had vowels in the right place but it still looks dumb as hell to an english speaker. wtf i can understand them giving little dummy tests to post a message, but they CAN make it a word in the language you just wrote. a computer has as much trouble reading garbled language as it does with garbled letters.
Personally I think homeopathy got popular back in the day when ordinary medicine was actually more likely to kill you than no treatment at all.
Mullahgrrl 3 hours ago
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Setzuo 1 day ago
i love this video
evanglillianlloyd 3 days ago
Homeopathic remedies may very well be of some use as a modecom of prevention at best but as for me when i was diagnosed Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome I opted to take the meds prescribed to me by an educated physician sorry but ill let the rest of the world take their chances on the guy on aisle 10 at Whole Foods and his advice. When im sick i pray as i get dressed and call 911 or a taxi
evanglillianlloyd 3 days ago
If he had used the purple-tinted quartz he would have suvived...
drzoidburgrocks 1 week ago 2
Sadly, Poe's Law operates here, too.
lease2coach1 1 week ago
They should have tried praying. The king of all useless activities.
itchygonads 1 week ago
Brilliant.
TechBearSeattle 1 week ago
Homeopathy: evidence beyond a doubt that people in need will believe anything they're told.
ChipArgyle 2 weeks ago 4
Seems like there are not too many places teaching homeopathy (found 5 in the US), but that figure is still depressing though. But it's not just about homeopathy being taught. Homeopathic useless remedies are still sold in pharmacies, people still buy them, and still think they work.
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
The 2006 Lancet study's lead author, statistical analyst Matthias Egger of the University of Berne wrote "We have shown that the effects seen in placebo-controlled trials of homeopathy are compatible with the placebo hypothesis." In its editorial, The Lancet urged doctors to tell their patients about the absurd dilutions on which homoeopathy lays its claims (the weaker the solution the more effective the medicine is claimed to be), and the lack of benefits of taking homeopathic remedies.
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
Please Google: "WHO warns against using homoeopathy to treat serious diseases".
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
===and a whole tray of flower remedies!
SneverusSnapers 3 weeks ago
even though this is made for sarcastic humor... it's so ignorant. homeopathy should never be used in cases of emergency.
everyone is free to believe what they want to..but please, before you hate do a proper research.
xSeraphyk 4 weeks ago
@xSeraphyk Research into what? It's water. Water is good for you... that's about it.
skywize 3 weeks ago
Nothing is wrong with homeopathic drugs! How could there be? It's just water. Homeopathic 'doctors' on the other hand should be lynched.
skywize 1 month ago
@skywize The problem comes when people choose water over medicene. Homeopathic 'doctors' take advantace of ignorance annd false fears.
Homeopathic medicene works well on hangovers, especially in high doses.
Numb3rkid 1 month ago 49
@Numb3rkid Have you seen the numbers on dehydration? It's astounding how fast homeopathic remedies work!
skywize 1 month ago
@Numb3rkid homeo doesnt work hangovers are cuased by dehydration....oh i see whatudidthere
TheDoctorWholigan 2 weeks ago 2
@skywize: “Nothing is wrong with homeopathic drugs! How could there be? It's just water” — Not quite. They're often filled with stuff like zince at “low potency” i.e. high concentrations, enough to destroy the nerves used in the sense of smell.
spoogegoat 3 weeks ago
@spoogegoat 'Zince'. Wow! Now it all becomes clear.
jamiehinks 3 weeks ago
@jamiehinks : Er “zinc”. Excuse my typo. High concentrations of zinc in homoeopathic remedies (At 2C, IIRC) is what destroys the sense of smell.
spoogegoat 3 weeks ago
Welllllll I used to be a homeopath. Till I too- sorry. I was never a homeopath. It's all bull.
CloudOfBefuddlement 1 month ago
Harry Potter reference!
corpsemunger 1 month ago
Draw more lifeline on, well at least its rational in that context!
BitterBurst 1 month ago
Homeopathy is a crock of shit.
MyFantazmagazzle 1 month ago 125
@MyFantazmagazzle 1part crock of shit and * 100000000000000000000000000000 water
trunksss5 3 weeks ago
@MyFantazmagazzle highly diluted in other shit
jezzbanger 2 weeks ago
I'm alergic to antibiotics and I can use to heal myself is aspirin and herbs... so modern medicine doesn't do a thing for me...
But the sketch is funny.
hekata5 1 month ago
@hekata5 "so modern medicine doesn't do a thing for me..." - Absolute crap. It treats the people around you, which helps prevent you getting sick yourself. I wouldn't call that not doing a thing for you....
TheSpankymonkey 1 month ago
You know, judging from the size of those droplets from the taps at the end in comparison to the glasses, those were more like homeopathic martinis than lagers.
IrwinJohnFinster 1 month ago
I can't speak to homeopathy. On its face it looks ridiculous, but I'd actually not be surprised if it is useful in some round about fashion.
I can say that I now trust herbal/traditional medicine over medical science. My experiences with medical science have been, not only underwhelming, but hazardous to my health.
If I need surgery, or emergency care I'd go to the hospital. But for pretty much everything else, I'm going to Mrs. Thompson's first.
Jcolinsol 1 month ago
@Jcolinsol
yes, this is a good rule of thumb. Myself, family and everyone I know have also not had good experiences with mainstream (sic) medicine. Homeopathy is a science within itself--not a lot to do with corporate/university paid science.
wawei67 1 month ago
Sorry to go on as I have, but when you said you were a herbalist I thought it would be good to explain things in a bit more detail-originally I thought you were perhaps just another kid mouthing off on the internet lol best
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 No problem. I am not a professional herbalist, I don't earn a living from it. I practice on myself, friends, family and pets. I read my first herbal manual when I was 14yo IIRC and have been studying herbalism since then. I try and read all the available papers on a plant so that I understand how it works and to determine if it will interact with other herbs and/or medications.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
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drhomeopathycure 2 months ago
Love the Harry Potter reference :)
MuslimahMelika 3 months ago
@MuslimahMelika What Harry Potter reference?
wasdx42 2 months ago
@MuslimahMelika 'Get me some Wolfsbane also known as monks hood' professor Snape tells all the first years this, but I dunno, it could have been unintended by the show.
MuslimahMelika 2 months ago
@MuslimahMelika Wow imagine having the borders of your relaity defined by a fictional movie. That's scary. Monkshood is _Aconitum variegatum_ it is a plant that is used to create the homeopathic remedy "Aconite" which homeopaths believe can treat "sudden illness", sudden fevers, shock and fright. You really need to stop letting fiction "educate" you.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@PiotrThePrimate
I've had extensive use of aconite for very violent shock, physical attack --it's fabulous, works a treat-- that and arnica--what a couple of remedies!! Every home should have one of each, fuck doctors and their bullshit aspirins and other drugs that COVER the symptoms. Hey Piotr, you know according to the AMA that about 100,000 deaths a year occur in the U.S. from DOCTOR prescribed medications? And no, overdosing is NOT included!!!
wawei67 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate Wow, imagine spending your free time berating other youtube users for not knowing the latin name of a plant.
Also, if I were you I'd spend less time looking up ancient homeopathy methods, and more time learning grammar.
MuslimahMelika 1 month ago
@MuslimahMelika The problem isn't that you didn't know the Latin name, it's that you didn't know that Monkshood is a real plant. This suggests that the Harry Potter movies are the first and only place where you encountered "Monkshood" thinking that it was something that Rowling made up. Clearly that is a demonstration of ignorance. A general knowledge would include some understanding of botany. There is nothing wrong with my knowledge of grammar, I'm a crap typist.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate I did know that it was a real plant, I just assumed that the fact he'd mentioned it in exactly the same way as Snape did might have been deliberate. And I wouldn't have pointed the grammar mistakes out, but you'd been so pedantic with me, so I decided that I'd do the same.
MuslimahMelika 1 month ago
@MuslimahMelika Yeah ok, its no big deal. Even if you were mistaken its not a huge deal. Its just that it wasn't a Harry Potter reference in the comedy sketch, Monkshood is one of the most commonly prescribed homeopathic remedies. Your original remark just seemed weird. All is forgiven. I shouldn't have added to the commentary, it was a cheap shot on my part. We both came to this video to laugh at homeopathy so it shouldn't end on a bitter note.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@MuslimahMelika It wasnt harry potter - monkshood is a real plant. It was mentioned in harry potter just like they mention doors and stairs. Is harry potter your only frame of reference or something?
oogaboogan 2 months ago
@oogaboogan something like that.
MuslimahMelika 2 months ago
Homeopathy ... it's what anthropogenic global warming deniers DO believe!
mphello 3 months ago
@mphello One of the most maddening things abouyt homeopathy deniars (haha) is that they neither know the science of it (whcih is 'mainstream' science btw) , nor try it, nor read the literature, NOR SUBJECT IT TO PROPER SCINTIFIC STUDDIES) Homeopathy is far safer than allopathic mediine, has dramatic efficacy etc etc. I NEVER see you ideologues talking of the pharma industry and its life-threatening products, many of which are in daily use--it's because you are IDEOLOGUES.
wawei67 2 months ago
@wawei67 You do realize you're an idiot and everyone who knows anything about science and medicine also agrees that you're an idiot.
Right?
oogaboogan 2 months ago
@wawei67
The thing that enrages me most about you science-and-logic-deniers is that you have failed to prove that this worthless bullshit called homeopathy, which is just water, does ANYTHING of value (other than giving you a drink of water when you're thirsty), and you cannot disprove that *I* have cured you and all your friend's ailments over the past 5 decades (since I was born), because you're too stupid to logically compute cause and effect.
mphello 2 months ago
@mphello
Haha In your response you have illustrated a few things-one is you are an anti-scientific bigot, two, you are extremely prejudiced in favour of the pharmaceutical industry and three, you know NOTHING about homeopathy-you've neither tried it , nor know how it works lol (and no no doubt you are proud of that fact haha). I didn't 'believe' in it til I had to rely on it for all sorts of SERIOUS ailments and injuries--I have EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH IT. I know this means nothing to you
wawei67 2 months ago
@wawei67
You have ZERO proof that this homecrapathy has cured a fucking thing. You only IMAGINE it has.
= you've neither tried it =
And you haven't tried hardcore mathematical molecular modeling and nanotechnology and bioengineering.
So don't knock THOSE until you've tried them.
At least those DO have an infinitely better chance of curing whatever the fuck you think homecrapathy cures.
mphello 2 months ago
@mphello
Can't argue with 'logic' like yours lol Yes, I only "imagine" homeopathy has cured my ailments, injuries and the like haha. What a funny world we live in where someone whos been told they have the right to an opinion feels the need to press that 'right' onto unwitting victims like me--
I think it's called "democracy" lol The least you could say/admit in my addled case is "Long LIve Placebo!" then hahahaha
wawei67 2 months ago
@wawei67 I want to stress that non-specific effects including placebo does not mean that the healing is imaginary or a type of self-delusion. If you are taking that meaning then I can see why you would be irate. Placebo effect constitues real healing as do non-specific effects such as the natural history of a disease (eg. disease is self-limiting and passes after a certain time without any intervention). Please don't read "placebo" as saying you are self-deluded and only imagined a cure.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@wawei67 You can't know how homeopathy works because it simply doesn't work. Hahnemann's ideas are quite simple it doesn't take a genius to understand them. Its just pre-scientific superstitious nonsense the effects of which are entirely non-specific i.e. nothing to do with the actual homeopathic remedy. It is actually embarassing that in the 21st century we are actually debating whether distilled water and lactose pills can have anything other than non-specific effects.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@PiotrThePrimate
oh, I see, sorry I thought it worked when it healed/cured me, sorry, my mistake...damn! You'll find the ongoing science of physics bears out the science of homeopathy quite well and exactly. But you can't see that (pun intended haha) can you.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 But that is the very kernel of this argument. How do you know with any degree of confidence that it was the homepathic remedies that cured. I don't doubt your honesty but in the absence of a randomised controlled study (with a placebo and control arm) you can't be certain that the homepathic remedies effect was non-specific. I am a fan of herbalism and use it daily and there is lots of evidence for the effiacy of many herbal remedies but there is no comparable evidence for homeopathy
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate I have extensive experience with homeopathy on myself and in prescribing for others.The most amazing thing about this is that I have always been into herbalism etc BUT COULD NOT understand homeopathy except for it being some kind of New Age bullshit hyper-occult faith based esoteric form of quackery haha. BUT have I been proved wrong haha I had to change my WHOLE paradigm largely because of its use in my life and the very real science I learnt as a consequence of that.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 I am happy for you that you health has been restored but I can't accept homeopathy. Also I am disappointed that some people don't distinguish between herbalism and homeopathy and think they are the same thing. Herbalism works in the same way that pharmaceuticals do, the models that explain how drugs work (eg. receptor binding) also explain how herbs work. But homeopathy is just wacky, it contradicts large bodies of well-proven theory in physics, chemistry, pharmacology and physiology
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate
haha--it doesn't matter if homeopathy is lumped with herbalism--that's your prejudice. Many, many people simply think herbalism is bunk--doesn;t matter what Emonographs you give them etc,they are simply prejudiced too and against anything different. whether its blacks, women or natural medicine,you can see thta the opposition to taking such thinigs seriously is purely PSYCHOLOGICAL and prejudicial.Look at some of those hacks who are against natural meds-they seem NUTS lol
wawei67 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate
And again NO, homeopathy DOES NOT contradict these theories, sometimes it does but that's because the theories (THEORIES!!) will die a natural deathas they always do when capitalist/pharma medicine lets things evolve. A guy somewhere did a large sample review of the of medical literature research (he was a mainstream type) Fully two thirds! of those papers proved WRONG in their findnigs/conclusions through practical science--but they are still out there, stilll referenced!
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Homeopathy has been subject to numerous "PROPER SCINTIFIC STUDDIES" and these studies have even been meta-analysed and reviewed and they still find that homeopathy works no better than placebo. Homeopathy is safer than "allopathic medicine" because the purported remedies are just water. Since water doesn't require metabolism or bind to any receptors it can't produce any adverse reactions.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@PiotrThePrimate
Homeopathy has not been subject to proper "scientific" tests cause they re done with no regard to the scince of homeopathy --same with most herbal tests--they are simply a waste of time. They are conducted as if the subsatnces were high dose pharmaceuticals. It doesn't take a child to see the fallacy of such 'tests'. Why do people insist that "science" is fair, unbiased, etc etc --it's pure madness to insist and shows both your lack of knowledge and integrity.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Sorry you are wrong here. I have been practicing herbalism since I was a teen (I am now middle-aged) and there are literally thousands of papers on PubMed that establish the therapeutic efficacy of various herbal remedies. Herbalism has been validated as a therapeutic modality via the scientific method: many herbs work. Homeopathy on the other hand has failed every single test. I wholly embrace herbalism but I wholly reject homeopathy -- it is superstition.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
Thats because herbalism is conducted under the same 'allopathic' tests as are other extractions of whatever. Homeopathy is different,VERY different-it deals in dilutions and VERY SPECIFIC cross-matching of symptoms. Compared to this way of doing things herbalism is like pharma drugs--quantitity not quality if you get my meaning. I'm familiar with PubMed and the EMonographs etc but that doesn't stop the medical profession from NOT taking it seriously.They are trying to ban herbs across the board.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 I'm from Australia and the Australian Medical Association and the Therapeutic Goods Admnistration have largely backed off from trying to outlaw herbs. The governement did recently outlaw the importation of Kava (which is a pity because it is a proven remedy for anxiety and works as well as benzodiazepenes) but they did so only because Australian aborigines were abusing it rather than because of a broader anti-herb agenda.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@wawei67 I was also disappointed when Customs prohibited the importation of kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) because it is useful for treating opiate withdrawal. I do agree though that the government together with the medical profession (rather than pharma because in many cases pharama also make herbal pills and capsules) have deskilled herbalists. They have denied herbalists some of the most important plants in the western herbal pharmacopeia. I do have some sympathy with your position.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate
Its not my "position" and I certainly don't want sympathy. It's a conspiracy and always has been. It's not possible to practice real medicial herbalism in Europe now because of the bans and restrictions on plants-this has been carefully planned for decades
With homeopathy we see the American Medical Association going to war over it as the emergent drug companies sought to obliterate its popularity around the 1900's-it's fact and it's why noone supports it anymore-they won!
wawei67 1 month ago
That's what gets my goat about these "skeptics" (no room for debate there is there!) or "rationalists"-if they were rational they'd see that homeopathy was science (complex, ever changing, ultimately unknowable because of that) and that western "science" was an attempt to control that flux. They NEVER present any understanding of the workings of homeopathy! It's like that Dawkins series where he SET OUT TO DISPROVE ALL 'natural' helaing no matter what the evidence to the contrary!
wawei67 1 month ago
I should say something about placebo (self-delusion? haha) versus the dosages I took. It was only AFTER taking prescribed remedies for my injuries etc that I read about the likely effects of said on my condition so 'reding' into the healing was lessened. I took a number of remedies over time (prescribed by others) and they had DRAMATIC effects almost instantaneously on bruising, muscle pain, post-traumatic-stress-disorder, organ malfunxction... One can actually FEEl them working in the body.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Placebo insn't self-delusion. I am not arguing that you have deluded yourself. The placebo response is real healing that is triggered by belief. The limits of placebo appear to be that it has an effect on only inflammatory illness (illness with an acute phase response). Although we have learnt that many more conditions involve inflammation than once thought, inflammation doesn't applt to _all_ disease. Also, not everyone exhibits a placebo response.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago 13
@PiotrThePrimate - A placebo is an ineffectual treatment intended to deceive the patient. Placebos by definition do not have any medical effect in the organism. Placebos do affect the psychological aspect of disease (people tend to feel a bit better when they believe they are being treated, such as in homeopathy, acupuncture, meditation, etc.). The body has its own mechanisms to overcome illness, and during the process of disease patients will have good days and bad days even without placebos.
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel "Placebos by definition do not have any medical effect in the organism" That is incorrect, placebos have a biological substrate. In the conext of analgesia the endogenous opioid system and cholecystokinin system is activated; in the conext of inflammatory illness placebos can also immunosuppressive response. Refer Benedetti et al (2005) "Neurobiological mechanisms of the placebo effect" [PMID: 1628057].
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate correction: "in the conext of inflammatory illness placebos can also trigger an immunosuppressive response"
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate - But that reaction does not derive from the placebo itself. Word choices can also trigger a placebo response... or the contrary.
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel No, not from the placebo itself but from the belief in the efficacy of the inert substance or sham treatment. Your contention was that the placebo produces no actual physiological response which it completely incorrect.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel The placebo is indeed a sham treatment but it has been known for many years now that the belief in the sham treatment triggers endogenous opiod releases and immunosuppression and that these are the two main mechanisms by which placebos have an effect. You seem to be trying to lecture me on a topic you plainly know nothing about.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate - Have you heard about the nocebo effect?
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel Yes.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel An accessible introduction to this topic is "Placebo: Mind over Matter in Modern Medicine" by Dylan Evans. Much of the research is summarised therein.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate - •Koshi EB, Short CA (2007) Placebo theory and its implications for research and clinical practice: a review of the recent literature. Pain Pract 7:4-20. PMID 17305673 "New theories on placebo mechanisms have shown that placebo represents the psychosocial aspect of every treatment and the study of placebo is essentially the study of psychosocial context that surrounds the patient."
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel Yes, the psychosocial aspect refers to the interaction between the patients expectations regarding the treatment and the treaters apparent authority and credibility. That patient-placebo-treater triad triggers an actual physiological response viz. endogenous opiod release and immunosuppression.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
@PiotrThePrimate - My only point is to make clear placebos (including homeopathy) are not actual treatment options. Real medicines are tested to ensure they perform BETTER than placebo.
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel I think I know more about placebos, randomised controlled trials and pharmacology than you (as evidenced bu your remarks thus far) so please don't talk down to me . I know full well that the measure of a drug's efficacy is that it performs better than a placebo. That wasn't your initial remark. You made a grossly incorrect remark about the nature of placebos and I corrected you. Please don't try and misrepresent what I have posted.
PiotrThePrimate 3 weeks ago
...and they feel like nothing I've experienced with herbs etc. I have since read up on the science of homeopathy and yes, it correlates exactly with all my many experiences. The body according to western science is just ONE part of the overall picture. And placebo also is a REAL thing-it is NOT imagination-it is self-healing! It is not,as defined by the drug industry,an unknowable phantom-it is good for all patients,something I doubt the one-size-fits-all high dose killer drugs can claim.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 A major problem in relation to homeopathy is that the theory that it is predicated upon is at odds with fundamental science (chemitrsy and physics) and this basic science is well-established and well-proven. The fundamentals of chemistry -- for example -- have such a strong inductive basis that they are, for all practical purposes, certainties. It is highly improbable that we are wrong about the fundamentals of chemistry and that the basics are due to be revised.
PiotrThePrimate 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate
well, it's like the science of chemistry is NOT applied to the science of physics--see the difference? So homeopathy also has its own rules whcih are NOT those of medical chemistry as such. This approach is very "scientific" whereas expecting homeopathy to behave like chemical extracts IS NOT!!. Peolpe for some blind reason just won't see this. It's pure prejudice. I agree with the placebo stuff you wrote.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Actually, chemistry has its roots in physics and biology has its roots in chemistry. The reason why atoms behave as they do is explained by nuclear physics. Nothing a physicist says contradicts what a chemist says, they simply study the universe at a different scale. Homeopathy however, greatly contradicts a great many things and thus, must also provide a great deal of evidence before it is to be taken seriously. Your understanding of "cutting edge physics" are mere generalizations.
tankiawee 1 month ago
@tankiawee
My "mere generalisations" are expressed that way cause of the brevity of youtube posts--as to my "understanding", you simply have no idea. Now that you have established the sameness of the sciences we can talk truth. Homeopathy works spectacularly well when prescribed correctly (something 'researchers' refuse to do!) so what is going on here? Why the cover up? Why would something that works this well (you'll have to do the modicum of research into this) be completely smeared?
wawei67 1 month ago
@tankiawee
Since you won't be doing any research (as happens with all 'you' types haha) here, watch some entertaining youtube vids: Olavius2 Proves Homeopathy to James Randi
as well as Bandershots funny/sarcastic/erudite/seen and heard it all before vids
Then on to: Randi denounced by Sheldrake, so as to see where a lot of this modern day witch hunt of modalities like homeopathy comes from and what kind of personalities give birth to such.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67
check this: The Homeopathic Molecule Supramolecular Process for some homeopathic science basics and to fill in some of the gaps in your understanding of chemistry.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Research is not about Youtube videos. It is the systematic testing of hypotheses and I happen to do that for a living. Point out which physics model or theory says "less is more" and how it applies to homeopathy. You also have a flawed understanding of what "theory" means in science. Hint: It's not a hypothesis. You could be testing aspirin or homeopathic medicine or even the use of bandages and a clinical trial would still be applicable and demonstrate efficacy or lack thereof.
tankiawee 1 month ago
@tankiawee Dr Rustum Roy's research-there's a long inteview on youtube.
You can find research on homeopathy if you look for example at the youtube posts by Bandershot and the 'footnotes' provided. Beyond that I can't help someone with your ideological bias. i'm being honest, NOT sarcastic.
"science" is not a SCIENCE! It is evolving and being shown to be flawed all the time--you have to grow up and accept this fact.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Again, Youtube videos mean nothing. Science evolves, yes, but by evidence and continually pushing back the boundaries of human knowledge. Homeopathy fails clinical trials and is incompatible with current understanding of chemistry and biology, both of which have massive amounts of evidence to back them up. It's not about bias, it's about you not providing the goods. Where's that "less is more" theory? Wiki-link is fine. Where are the successful clinical trials? Where are the papers?
tankiawee 1 month ago
@tankiawee
"youtube videos mean nothing" is a loaded phrase that shows your bias!
I've given you some science to investigate (including clinical info), now go do it (you will find the 'truth' you seem to want )--do I have to pay you to do it like the companies/institutions/ you bow to?
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Science is self correcting meaning it's not flawed, it simply updates & corrects previous information. It kind of evolves and fishes out the truth & drops inaccurate information or beliefs. VS homeopathy that just believes something because someone said so or because that's the way it has been done for generations. No testing to see if something really works. Science eventually throws out useless things while homeopathy defends & continues useless practices.
shananagans5 1 month ago
@shananagans5 Well it's not "self-correcting" when there is an ideological witchhunt against it haha. I've used homeopathy extensively for all sorts of things--its FANTASTIC !! I DID NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD WORK (TO SAY THE LEAST LOL) UNTIL I TRIED IT! Checkout Dr Rustum Roys (an eminent scientist) talk on youtube--How Homeopathy Works--there are other things that deal with this but this is a good place to start. It's important to go where the SCIENCE goes and NOT just parrot prejudices.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 It sounds wonderful, but people like myself would really like to have proof in the form of a double blind test which would for once and for all settle it. Such tests have not ruled in favor of homeopathy so far.
There are videos on YouTube on homeopathy by actual homeopaths, but what they present as 'science' is meaningless babble, they talk about non-existing energies and particles we cannot detect.
PointlessSteel 1 month ago
@PointlessSteel
Yes, physics also talks of non-existing "particles we can't detect" too-but they get BILLIONS to research them LOL!!!! (as in Large Hadron Collider). Check out the Cambridge professor
I can only assume you are aliar by profession? If not and if you haven't yet looked for the evidence then check out HuffingtonPost article:
The Disinformation Campaign Against Homeopathy and all the evidence etc at the end of it. It's a MUST read before you keep closing yourself off on this.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 your actually very wrong here, we can detect these particles, we just can't see them. If we couldn't detect the particles we wouldn't be trying to create them and find them.. have you seen a Geiger counter? The devices used to measure radiation levels, they work entirely by detecting the particles that hit them. And btw on your other comment how does a physics professor supporting homeopathy support your argument in any way? It is no where near his speciality!
shadu957 1 month ago
@shadu957
Why does it need to be someones "specialty" to understand and use the medicine of homeopathy? This is the ideology of the specialist/expert fetish gone mad lol. Most doctors, physicists and scientists in general spout negative about homeopathy and none of them know anything about it/it's not their 'field''- what's more, since it works extremely well, they are wrong haha! Do you apply the same 'logic' of specialism to creators of statin drugs that kill patients for example??
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 ... You, sir, are retarded. Study some physics, or at least look up work on the actual particles, before spouting nonsense like that.
Iced1992 1 month ago
@Iced1992
I take it you mean the latest chemistry and physics research which explains homeopathy (and many other 'mysteries') to a tee? I know you know nothing of physics, either it's theoretical or actual applications--I, on the other hand 'do' physics at University, both teaching and research. BTW most of my 'colleagues' are quite averse to real science (such as non-corporate science) just like you...misery likes company.
wawei67 1 month ago
@PointlessSteel
Woops--I maent : check out the Cambridge professor (and Nobel winner) Brian Josephson who is at the Cavendish Laborarotory (one of the worlds top physics joints).
See his website--he supports homeopahy and many other things people are too scared/blind to cause he knows of the evidence for such.
wawei67 1 month ago
@tankiawee
Try to understand that you ,as a researcher only research things within the paradigm of accepted 'science' so you exclude what doesn't agree with that paradigm. There is an established literature on this, as you know.
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 You're still not providing the goods. Are Youtube videos and blog posts the best evidence that homeopathy has to offer? Less is more? You keep dodging the crux of the issue, that efficacy has not been established.
tankiawee 1 month ago
@tankiawee
sorry, your personality is consolidated--there is nowhere for me to make headway with you...it's your problem at this stage. If you are really that interested in the issue I can ASSURE you homeopahty is a powerful science of medicine (i have extensive use of it in my life with some serious conditions for a long period--what you would derisively call "anecdotal evidence"lol). if you don't want to read the research I can't help you---lazy bastard haha
wawei67 1 month ago
@wawei67 Accepted paradigms became accepted with clinical trials & studies to see how things work. It's not like someone decided how things work & the only studies ever done were designed to support that. We are constantly trying to prove they other guy wrong & replace wrong info with correct info or a better theory. Homeopathy practices were studied & dropped because they didn't work. Stuff that works is developed & becomes part of the accepted paradigm until there is something even better.
shananagans5 1 month ago
@shananagans5
You must also understand that certain things get dropped not because they don't work, but because they work to well. I am not arguing this for homeopathy, but the idea of "planned obsolescence" does apply to medicine as well, and has been applied by Pharmaceutical company's for decades. The medical community of today usually only does one thing, it medicates, it never solves the problem, it just keeps the patient alive, because that is profitable.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence I think you're a bit too pessimistic here. My father works for a medical company, mixing chemicals and whatnot, and he says they're trying to cure diseases and improve general health, but only as long as they can profit from it. They would never keep people from getting cured or choose not to eradicate a disease if they can, but you are right in the sense that the top priority is making money.
PointlessSteel 1 month ago
@PointlessSteel
Of course some one working in the industry is going to have this perspective, they are taught in schools which get the majority of their funding from Big Pharma. Without that funding these schools would have to close down in the wake of reduced government grants, so its quite a bit of influence. Check out vitamin B-17, labeled quackery by the FDA, yet proves time, and time to be a stable anti cancer medication. Yet they allow dangerous chemo drugs.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence Rolf, call it by its real name, Amygdalin. It is not a vitamin by any stretch of the definition. Thats something you can't attribute to 'Big Pharma', it simply does not fall under the lable. People like you use the term vitamin to lend legitimacy to its fantastically thin claims.
reznor12 1 month ago
@reznor12
Comical, lets see your medical data sheets showing that Vitamin B-17 doesn't work.
/watch?v=2qHNDYeF0MU
Or perhaps you would take the time to refute the clinical trials etc.. shown in this video that clearly show that this substance does work to cure forms of cancer. I have nothing but time so you can list piece by piece your argument against this substance. Maybe you could send me all the data sheets that you are basing your theory on.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence Rofl, as you say hun, you have nothing but time, I on the other hand have a life. When I got hit by a car, western medicine rebuilt my leg. When the leg got infected (I missed my dressing change), western medicine gave me antibiotics. When my nan got cancer, western medicine cured her with Chemotherapy. But my anecdotes are not proof, simply stories. I don't need to research it all myself in detail, I trust in scientific consensus, and that is enough for me.
reznor12 4 weeks ago
@reznor12
Ya nice story, put in the pile with the others.
You trust in something you don't understand, I have researched the efficacy of chemotherapy, and found it to be a giant gamble at the cost of thousands of lives each year. Please show me some medical data proving the efficacy of chemotherapy, its a dangerous, and deadly method, that has NEVER been shown to cause "cure over damage". I am 99% sure you have not even attempted to look at alternatives.
NeutralExistence 4 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - "Chemotherapy is highly effective in some cancers, useless in others, and unnecessary in still others. Cytotoxic chemotherapy produces much larger gains for some forms of cancer, including testicular cancer (about 40% of the men who live five years after diagnosis are alive because of chemotherapy), lymphomas (about 13%), and cervical cancer (12%)."
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
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@LegionarioCruel
What is your point?
The efficacy of Chemotherapy has never been clinically proven, yet it is allowed to be used on people regularly. Yet there is several other substances which have way less toxicity/danger which have been denied, or are being argued to have their licenses denied because they haven't proved efficacy. The world of medicine is not a place for bias, and yet all to often we see the FDA sitting in big Pharma's lap. Apply your standards to both.
NeutralExistence 3 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence "The efficacy of Chemotherapy has never been clinically proven, yet it is allowed to be used on people regularly. "
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Seriously? You're that dumb?
raskolnikov2089 3 weeks ago 2
@raskolnikov2089
Please show me some clinical results proving the efficacy of chemotherapy.
I expect sources.
NeutralExistence 3 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - Uhhh, yes it has. The 5year survival for sarcomas in children was about 20 % prior to Adriamycin and Ifosfamide. Now it is about 80%. There are thousands of rigorous scientific papers, and evidence based ones to that prove chemo is effective at killing cancer, prolonging life, shrinking tumors and increasing cancer free survival time as well.
Please don't be ignorant - just do a basic pubmed search, or even Google .
spineboy 3 weeks ago
@spineboy
Please show me the source you got that from, I did several searches, and have read numerous pubmed articles. Yet I have not found one proving the efficacy of chemotherapy, but I would be more then happy to read any you can provide. If you could, I would also like you to list some of these "thousands of papers" you claim prove chemotherapy's efficacy, if there is thousands I am sure you can put together a nice list for me rather quick.
NeutralExistence 3 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - You are funny, but still you make no sense. Homeopathy does not work at all, it has been proven over and over again for the past several decades. Chemotherapy DOES work in CERTAIN types of cancer. But when you get cancer you can always try homeopathy if you like, I won't stop you. I guess you are correct in saying homeopathy is "less toxic" than chemo and radio...
LegionarioCruel 3 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel
Can you please provide me with these studies proving that homeopathy does not work at all? Personally I hold no bias towards it either way, I know people who claim it work, and some that claim otherwise. I was never once referring to homeopathy in any of my arguments however, since I have seen no evidence that it actually works. See unlike yourself I like to remain impartial.... As far as I am concerned both sides have their evident flaws.
NeutralExistence 3 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - You do understand that by requesting studies proving homeopathy does not work you are just evidencing your ignorance on the matter, right?
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel
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You are funny, but still you make no sense. Homeopathy does not work at all
LegionarioCruel
4 days ago
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You are the one making the claim, I am the one asking you to back it up your claim.
NeutralExistence 2 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - Oh no, homeopathy is the one making the claim. So homeopathy advocates should demonstrate it works. But it doesn't; we already know that.
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
@LegionarioCruel
Nice side step there champ.
NeutralExistence 2 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence - It is how it is.
LegionarioCruel 2 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence Homeopathy makes the claim that it works. This can be proved by scientific tests. Up until now there were no scientific tests that proved homeopathy right.
bobderbaumeister1236 2 weeks ago
@bobderbaumeister1236
Then we get to my point....
Look at all the cancer drugs that claim to work, yet have shown NO efficacy whatsoever in clinical trials. Drugs that cause side effects which are often worse then the cancer itself for the patient in overall terms of livability. You want to hold high standards up to "alternative medication" then be ready to apply it to your own. I personally consider both sides at serious scientific fault....
NeutralExistence 2 weeks ago
@NeutralExistence
See a psychiatrist...
The complete absence of cranial substance does not imply intelligence ...
tellnet 1 week ago
@tellnet
What use would I have for a psychiatrist if I didn't have a brain....
NeutralExistence 1 week ago
@NeutralExistence
But I thought that your brain cells were so diluted that you were confused by the power of your own mind.
And, as an aside...
There are many many drugs that are either spurious or useless - that does NOT mean that all pharmaceutical endeavours should be villified.
Homeopathy however, is 100% nonsense of the lowest order.
tellnet 1 week ago
@tellnet
Can you please prove that homeopathy is 100% "nonsense of the lowest order".
I am sure their is studies backing up your claim, since you are so sure.
NeutralExistence 1 week ago
@NeutralExistence
Presumably you meant "there" rather than "their".
Homeopathy has failed EVERY test miserably - indicating that it is 100% water.
There is GUARANTEED to be a ZERO active ingredient.
Any efficacy is in the power of delusion.
(A "standard" homeopathic 100c dilution equates to a single molecule in a body of water so vast it would fill our ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM !! )
tellnet 1 week ago
@tellnet
Can you please provide me with scientific papers supporting your claim?
Since there is guaranteed to be zero active ingredients, I am sure you can provide numerous data on this, and presumable some FDA studies verifying that you are in fact correct. Then again I have seen no data proving the efficacy of acetaminophen, yet its been used on people for decades under FDA approval. Maybe we have found the problem here... the FDA...
NeutralExistence 1 week ago
@NeutralExistence
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Get an education.
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tellnet 1 week ago
@tellnet
Ah, how cliche you are.
Please provide me with some evidence of your claims, or go fuck yourself.
NeutralExistence 6 days ago
@NeutralExistence
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Homeopathy's own parameters defines it's own stupidity.
- in the same manner as "go fuck yourself" from you defines you.
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Get an education.
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tellnet 6 days ago
@tellnet
I see you have chosen option number two, have a nice day.
NeutralExistence 6 days ago
@NeutralExistence
I think tellnet was on to something when he told you to get an education. A Principles of Biology (AKA, the easiest science course there is) is all you should need to realize how completely useless homeopathy is.
Setzuo 4 days ago
@Setzuo
Since its so simple, I am sure you can provide plenty of scientific reports backing up your claim. While you are at it you might want to send in some reports to the FDA, and clear up this problem. I am sure since one only needs the basic principles of biology, that the Federal Drug Administration will have it labeled as "no active ingredients", once you send them in your detailed report on the matter of course....
NeutralExistence 4 days ago
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Setzuo 3 days ago
@NeutralExistence I never claimed homeopathic remedies contained 0 active ingredients, that was tellnet. I know they have ingredients. Ingredients so heavily diluted in water that they are rendered entirely useless.
Setzuo 3 days ago
@Setzuo
Could you please provide me with some studies proving your point that the ingredients are rendered entirely useless.
NeutralExistence 2 days ago
@NeutralExistence
Homeopathic remedies are so extremely dilute that most do not contain a single atom of their claimed active ingredient. The most popular homeopathic remedy, oscillococcinum, is based on a dilution of one part duck liver to 10^400 parts of water. 10^400 is the number 1 with 400 zeroes after it. To make such a dilution, you’d have to mix a single molecule of duck liver with more matter than exists in the entire known universe.
Setzuo 2 days ago
@Setzuo
Google "law of infinitesimals". This is a core principles of homeopathy as stated by homeopathic practitioners and companies themselves. It disproves itself.
Setzuo 2 days ago
@Setzuo
I fail to see why you guys have such problems producing what I asked for.
homeowatch . org/history/oscillo . html
Clearly what you say is true, however You Tube does not function as a form of scientific "peer review", and I cant link to You Tube comments to prove a point.... Really I feel like I stepped into a Church, and told them God isn't real.... All I wanted was documentation.
NeutralExistence 1 hour ago
@NeutralExistence By the way, who convinced you the FDA is responsible for the body of evidence for medicinal claims? That is far from the truth. Medicinal research groups have to submit their findings to peer reviewed journals, which in turn are studies by the scientific community the world over. The FDA is merely a checkpoint between the scientific community and the market.
Setzuo 3 days ago
@Setzuo
I never once stated that the FDA was responsible for the body of evidence for medical claims. However they do have the power to force them to put a "contains no active ingredients" label on all Homeopathic "medications". So like I stated, you should send in some reports to the FDA to clear up this problem, since you are so sure of your claims. While you are at it might want to check out some of the other "medications" the FDA has allowed to masquerade as healthy.
NeutralExistence 2 days ago
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ciaran3707 1 month ago
@PiotrThePrimate
Aslo the science of homeopathy is directly correlative to the findings of physics etc---pillls etc are not!! In 'cutting edge' physics we find the principles of less is more/ the smallest is the most powerful/ the transference of matter otherwise invisible to our senses etc so it is those who deride homeopathy as not possible who are most EMPHATICALLY NOT scientific.
wawei67 1 month ago
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Television believers need their faith in pharmaceutical representatives so when they die of a preventable disease, they can leave their families the holy bill.
The bottom line here is, homeopathy is affecting the jews drug profits. So out comes the programming to push fear and loathing.
oveid 3 months ago
Gawd! If they have a glass of water after drinking those lagers they're bound to get alcohol poisoning.
wstevenschneider 3 months ago
@wstevenschneider Only if they jump to much
Firespyrt 3 months ago
My GP does! He Kills People!!!!!!!!!!
louisfriendhastaste 3 months ago
HOMEOPATHY DOES WORK! I saw a documentary on Sky TV and it is definitely true.
38dragoon38 3 months ago
@38dragoon38
Then how can you explain how there is not a single emergency operations unit run by Homeopaths?
There is no such thing as a homeopathic surgeon.
It is a joke - and it's the first thing that should be cut from the NHS in this time of austerity.
Old people left on trollies, and yet they support this unscientific crap which is the antithesis of what medicine and science are all about.
Here's a homeopathic remedy. Old person on a trolley for 5 hours? Pour water over them.
jazzx251 3 months ago 6
@jazzx251
The NHS don't do homopathy
Westwoooooooood 3 months ago
@Westwoooooooood
Look up "Enemies of Reason: The Irrational Health Service"
They certainly were doing it a couple of years ago.
jazzx251 3 months ago
@jazzx251 Is the UK the only nation in the wold where the government subsidises homeopathy? I'm wondering what a "homeopathic surgeon" would do. I'm guessing (s)he would cut you with a homeopathic scalpel which would be a blunt piece of metal and then "stich" you up by drawing homepathic stictches on you. I dunno :)
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@jazzx251
haha, this is the kind of bullshit pseudo-science we expect from "skeptics" --what on earth has this got AT ALL to do with homeopathy lol.
wawei67 1 month ago
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@38dragoon38 Yeah, now we know it is definitely true you are mentally challenged.
Adamalgorithm 3 months ago
calyx+pazma = hilarious version of some medical sitcom, you can name the one i'm talking about yourself, cause it doesn't matter, it just needs to be diluted with 10:1 water
kght222 3 months ago
@kght222 really, they wanted me to type something as stupid as "leirboidtt" after typing something as flawlessly stupid as my previous post just to have it seen. i suppose at least that captcha had vowels in the right place but it still looks dumb as hell to an english speaker. wtf i can understand them giving little dummy tests to post a message, but they CAN make it a word in the language you just wrote. a computer has as much trouble reading garbled language as it does with garbled letters.
kght222 3 months ago
@kght222 oh, and no human test for this one, genious
kght222 3 months ago
@kght222 and then for a reply to a reply to my own reply they ask for "cripmenet". tiresome and stupid.
kght222 3 months ago