Mozart improved !!! This reminds me of the opera transcriptions of Franz Liszt. I am convinced that Glenn Gould, who liked Mozart about as much (i.e. as little) as I do, would have appreciated this performance greatly. What a genius Yudina was. Happy to have discovered her and thanks for posting!
@VivaRenata Mozart barely wrote a few measures of this before he died. Improved? no. This is her realization. She's not improving Mozart she's completing the piece in her own way.
@HoboSuperstar And for that we should be very grateful! What an incredible artist - completing the piece in a dialogue with the composer is probably what the art of the piano is about.
E' un Mozart irriconoscibile ma la interpretazione di Judina è giustificata e affascinante. Mi viene in mente un Beethoven suonato da Glenn Gould che ho ascoltato per un mese di fila,sembrava Webern,un'esecuzione personalissima ma attuale e che sopratutto mi ha fatto comprendere meglio quelle sonate ,alla faccia delle interpretazioni filologiche
..i like also the slow tempo very much,amazing in piano sound and orchestral conception,i can feel the magnificent breath of the russian orthodox church and their rites in this interpretation,wonderful!
Liszt made a transcription of the Lacrimosa. This sounds almost like it, with some subtle differences. I wonder if Yudina basically played the Liszt, with her changes, somewhat like Horowitz did with certain works of Liszt. But I'm not sure. Anyhow, she played it very movingly.
Although I must admit that its not Yudina's best interpretation of something, but its very interesting to hear a Requiem played on a piano. You cannot make a piano sound as loud and grand as choral forces and a full orchestra, but her attempt at this is very convincing. It would be extremely hard for any pianist to get that feeling that a chorus and a orchestra would give. So 5 stars.
As always with Yudina, her interpretations are willful and wonderful! Her use of rubato and the dynamics are stunning. She is among the truly great artists.
Nobody prevented you to ban who you wanted ;-) You may be really asleep and deaf to be still irritated. People already said you have perfectly the right to be intolerant. Its your world, each one has his belief. Go on if you like that and if you have time to spend. Its just ridiculous. Do as you want :-)
What I do depends on what you and "your friends" will do or not. I don't fight cowardly by opening a new account for every comment. You or your friend(s) received my message - now it's your choice.
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Truecrypt, your intolerance makes me just ashamed to love the music ! And in addition you ban people who dare to speak of tolerance !! What a complete picture for a vicious circle you draw there ... I will pray for you to grow up in order you to be more comprehensive with people and to learn the sense of a word that currently flies thousand miles above your head : "LOVE" ...
Tears filtered through the visual filter of an anxious kerosene lamp's flicker on an abandoned street in a lost European place 225 years ago.A soul raging joyfully at it's limitedness.
(1st attempt didn't show) Yudina has interesting rhythmic approach. During first minute or so,at slowest tempo, beats are often delayed on dotted quarter (4 to a bar). After 1:10 or so, second 8th of each group delayed. Tempo picks up greatly throughout.The last few minutes move along more, until ritard at end. Was all this planned - a psychological effect? Probably. Great tonal control and variety. Fascinating choice for a transcription. Great post!
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Well ... End of the test. What you ignore Truecrypt is that I like so much that tune that I listened this in loop, yesterday. I already read you in an other post when you wrote so someone things like "beginning of the end".
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So i wanted to make sure. Thanks to give us the demonstration of it ! !! I would almost laugh in reading you, Truecrypt, but its just pathetic that there still are people in the 21t century who do not bother to qualify the other 's tastes as "beginning of the end", "sleeping souls" etc. I invite people who would see more of that oh so gentle words, to just read all that you are wrote here. Our conversation stop here, cause you really make me sick.
I would be happy to stop, but seems like your-multiple-"self" can not put an end to this nonsense... Don't worry, people will see who said what, when and how! ;)
Im afraid I must agree with the dissenters here... the tempo is a bit on the slow side for my taste and the phrasing is a bit awkward. On the other hand, they had no right to attack you the way they did. Thanks for uploading this performance; it gives an insight into the piece which I wouldn't have before considered. This is all I look for from youtube: new insights into old pieces (whether I agree with them or not is my own business).
You shouldn't bother with them truecrypt it would take an idiot to vandalize this piece, and if you think not you should stop chewing on rocks and get a life.
The opening bars are extraordinarily beautiful, and as always there is such depth and power in Yudina's playing. As Richter, said "she had a huge talent"!
Probably about 3-4 accounts are the same person here since many of the accounts were made all on February 26, 2009...
But anyway, of course piano transcriptions are problematic, and people that keep posting about how it's not as good as the original Requiem are beating a dead horse!
How do you get a work for full orchestra AND CHORUS onto one piano and expect the same results?
People may not like the transcription but if they're going to say something don't state the obvious.
Please, Sinfoniette, don't stop the... him! There are couple things they / he don't know - it's called YT insight... plus a little slips like talking about "yesterday" when it was "today". It was "yesterday" but only in Australia!!! ;)
"I stand alone"...under the sunlight, in the shadow, on the plain, in the storm, no matter in heaven or in hell, I stand alone, and nothing is more powerful than the fact that I am standing alone...
Very courageous performance by Yudina. Thank you Andre.
I would hope that truecrypt would delete the posts of Edelweissz and Coolosdude. It seems painfully obvious that both of those accounts were created TODAY for the specific purpose of VANDALIZING this video.
I'm aware of some recent silliness from tHEnOOSEsWING on truecrypt videos--so those accounts may be him. Or, they may be from yet another lunatic. In any case, they are not "opinions," they are just graffiti, and should be cleaned off the page.
truecrypt, you should be checking your horoscope. Apparently, the evil stars are glaring at you lately ;)
I too find it bad taste to disparage in any way THIS piece perfomed by THIS artist! "Falling asleep" in that context is almost like "let them eat cake."
Few can claim the life experiences and the "rights to interpretation" of this piece with more righteousness than Maria Yudina.
Thanks for posting this deeply moving performance...
Couln´t we come back to the piece itsself and the possibilities of such an interpretation? I think in this special case a transcription is problematic. There are so many different affections when you think of the choir and orchestra in the original.There you can hear almost everything between dispair, and even humility. Yudinas interpretation is nevertheless very expressive and full of dramatic and her ability to show so many different colours and make you hear even the orchestra I must admire.
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Seemingly, we could not be agreed each other. I wish you good night once more. You do not like my tastes, but It doesn't matters. That's the life. I respect your tastes and just hope you will be less self-confident about any absolute in the way of people feel the music.
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"People like you" once more ... It seems that you really like to judge the others. It's what we hear since the beginning. Strange way to speak to the commentators and a little repetitive.
My way to speak greatly depends on who I'm speaking to. I'm not against the difference of opinion, but I hate boorishness. My friends (and enemies) know it well.
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"People like you" ???! Sorry if the free people whose i belong to, sometime like your vids, sometime not. And sorry they express their advices and have awaken you. Who is sleeping ? ....
People "like you" always talk too much about "freedom of expression"... the problem though they don't have much to express, have very high opinion of themselves and demand full respect to the "difference of opinion". Sorry, I have no respect or "artistic tolerance" to your opinion...
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You have absolutely no right to say to anyone that you do not know : "If you are not liking that interpretation, that's because you may not have suffer enough in your life". If it's your way of thinking, what a pity.
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This Lacrimosa isn't that great. First, the transcription itself is horrendous. I don't have the score of the Requiem but by ear it sounds to me there are too many octave doublings in the bass (and sometimes in upper voices too) which give this piece a thick sonority that doesn't exist in the original. (cont)
Another side effect of this arrangement is that the 1st beat of the bar is given too much emphasis. Yudina is not helping the matter by choosing a plodding tempo, pedaling excessively, and accenting heavily on (guess what) the strong beats.
This is not Yudina at her best. Her best work is probably the Diabelli's.
This particular performance was not intended as a reproduction of orchestral/choral version.
It's perfectly normal reaction if a young and healthy man falls asleep listening to this. The idea of the "DEATH" hasn't touched your existence yet... But it's a matter of time... ;)
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You do not know me and sorry but the idea of the "DEATH", as you say, have touched my existence for a long time ago Do you want to hurt the memory of my dead relatives ? I'm shocked by your reaction about me and it makes me very sad. And there is no links between a particular song and the way such guy feels it or not. Unless you blame all the people who just do not like classical (whose I'm not, but I think of them).
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I think your argument may be very offensive for them. Moreover it seems to me that its not forbidden to not like all you are liking. So I do not really like that particular song and say it, because it's my right. Nothing to add. But thanks for the music anyway.
P.S. : I did not know that I was a "young" man but I think it's a joke of yours .. ;-)
You are "stretching" what I said... You may have experienced tragic events in your life but they didn't make your musical soul sensitive enough yet, otherwise you wouldn't fall asleep. Nothing offensive here - if one doesn't see beauty in Michelangelo's Pieta, it means he is either incapable or not *ready*. What bothers me is that you "don't like this particular song" and proud of it. For me it's a sign of "beginning of the end".
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Once more I'm not agree with you. Tragic events affected my musical sensitive soul enough (thanks for my soul, it go well do not worry about it) to love and weep hearing the Requiem among hundreds other. But i repeat that I have the right to just not like that interpretation !
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You have no right to judge me like that. You are not superior to other people. Of my side, what bothers me is to read someone that write "the beginning of the end" for what it is a simple matter of tastes.
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It's arrogant, condescending, and intolerant to say to people what they have to love or not. You are neither God to nor inside my heart. Respect the other likes if you do no want they insult your tastes. Useless to speak more on this subject, cause all the likes are in the nature, there is no universal truth for that.
Somehow the last argument I hear from people like you is always "it's my right" or "it's my opinion" and 'who you are to judge me".
I don't dispute your right to express your views, but in such case shouldn't I have a right to express an opinion on your opinion? If you're "falling asleep" during this performance it speaks volumes about you. But of course even "sleeping souls" have their rights.
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We all have the right to express ourselves. But we have the duty to respect the other tastes too. So stop to call the people who dislike this interpretation "sleeping souls". Since then have we the right to be intolerant ?And sure you can take the time to respond to my opinions, as well I have taken the time to read your way to denigrate an other sensibility.
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And as you see, I have the right to express an opinion on your opinion of mine (and so on ...). We could go on long time like that, but I think we have closed the "debate" for a long time ago. So the sleeping souls wish a good night to the deaf ones who do not like the differences of tastes. I can't make miracles to convert you at the virtues of artistic tolerance. Unfortunately, all the people are not open minded enough to that.
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P.S.: I see and love the Michelangelo's Pieta, but it's interesting to read that we could not like this without like that current interpretation of Maria Yudina !
You don't have to like or dislike Yudina performance, but the way you express your opinion ("almost falling asleep") on "this particular song" speaks for itself. I don't like disrespectful and rude comments especially when such commentator demands "artistic tolerance"...
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Nobody "demands", when we just remind the urge of that. The truth hurts so I understand that you dislike to hear it.
"You don't have to like or dislike" ?! First news ! Of course we can tell what we feel. I do not judge the way you feel, but just mine ! I never judge your taste, unlike you !
"... Speaks for itself" ? Second news : We do not like to speak figurative. If I was litteraly falling asleep, I wouldn't be there.
Oh no... the truth is that you graded this performance as "poor" - one star! This how you see the "freedom of expression"! Exactly my point - too much talk about "freedom and tolerance" while doing something not very honorable behind the curtain. Old concept... Strangely enough my former "friend" tHEnOOSEsWING used the same logic and "rating strategy".
With cat! A true disciple of C.S. Lewis in other words (see "The Four Loves").
VivaRenata 5 days ago
Brilliant!
VivaRenata 1 week ago
Glorious, totally glorious. At a pace that would have done Karl Boehm proud, and killed off any choir. Again so totally "modern".
jonjon1957jonjon 3 weeks ago
@jonjon1957jonjon In total agreement - so modern in spite of the lack of "Classical" convention.
VivaRenata 1 week ago
Maria Yudina- the powerful person!
777ViolettaAngelo 2 months ago
Piano, what a instrument - like a whole orchestra!
lalijew 2 months ago
Mozart improved !!! This reminds me of the opera transcriptions of Franz Liszt. I am convinced that Glenn Gould, who liked Mozart about as much (i.e. as little) as I do, would have appreciated this performance greatly. What a genius Yudina was. Happy to have discovered her and thanks for posting!
VivaRenata 5 months ago
@VivaRenata Mozart barely wrote a few measures of this before he died. Improved? no. This is her realization. She's not improving Mozart she's completing the piece in her own way.
HoboSuperstar 3 months ago
@HoboSuperstar And for that we should be very grateful! What an incredible artist - completing the piece in a dialogue with the composer is probably what the art of the piano is about.
VivaRenata 3 months ago
ロシヤ精密机械!
Pollinikrys 6 months ago
E' un Mozart irriconoscibile ma la interpretazione di Judina è giustificata e affascinante. Mi viene in mente un Beethoven suonato da Glenn Gould che ho ascoltato per un mese di fila,sembrava Webern,un'esecuzione personalissima ma attuale e che sopratutto mi ha fatto comprendere meglio quelle sonate ,alla faccia delle interpretazioni filologiche
friulano 7 months ago
where can we find the score?????? I need it desperately!
ibk1980 7 months ago
Благодарим тебя, величайшая, за твое соавторство!
Ruk8mini 8 months ago
Does anyone know if there is a mistake at 3:37?
TheRetman01 1 year ago
@TheRetman01 who cares?
ibk1980 7 months ago
Does anyone know if there is a mistake at 3:37?
TheRetman01 1 year ago
@TheRetman01 I think so, she's mistaken a note of a chord!
kelusktube 6 months ago
Simplicity is purely beautiful beyond words.
Vesivian 1 year ago
Mozart plays with the heart like it's a toy. Happy, sad, happy, sad, happy..
PorroFirst 1 year ago
i think is nearly impossible to play "lacrimosa" Sadder, Grimmer or more Tragic than this, its simply beatiful
theRiderickM 1 year ago 2
Maria Yudina is like, the best pianist everrr..
PorroFirst 1 year ago
The unresolved ending is what makes it perfect.
Leitilumo 1 year ago
she was and still is one of the greats !
lucavasilelondon 1 year ago
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Where this interpretation certainly wins over the orchestral version is the first minute. After that it is not as engaging. But what a minute it is!
istarninwa 1 year ago
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istarninwa 1 year ago
she had compassion for the human tragedy, and in her playing, here, there is the most perfect example
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago 3
played w gravitas.
bourbakis 1 year ago
This is the peek of this piece, there is simply no room for more emotional content.
VanWorden 1 year ago
As beautiful as this is, circumstances and all, I can't help but feel that I prefer the orchestra version
ArvindanT 1 year ago
very affectingly played!!
..i like also the slow tempo very much,amazing in piano sound and orchestral conception,i can feel the magnificent breath of the russian orthodox church and their rites in this interpretation,wonderful!
berlinzerberus 1 year ago 7
c'est fabuleux quel son c'est tout youdina ça.merci pour cet enregistrement
istreba 2 years ago
I think thispiece did give here the strenght to resist when she had difficult times, and she had bad moments to go through....
uhartchristian 2 years ago
Thank you Yudina !!! :' )
BoristheONEandonly 2 years ago
I LOVE HOPW SHE PLAS THIS!!!
ledylanclair 2 years ago
Amazing interpretation!
Dankbarkeit1980 2 years ago
WOnderful!
pianist626262 2 years ago
amazing...
LKN4nANGEL 2 years ago 3
wow
punkpoetry 2 years ago 3
C'est gigantesque!!!
mille merci
Adagietto66 2 years ago
Thanks! Please do post more from that concert!
magaloff1 2 years ago 2
No words.
suzettegm 2 years ago 14
Agreed, J. Thanks again for sending this on. Yudina is justifiably considered a legendary and iconic musician.
Noshirm 2 years ago 2
Truecrypt, do you know where this performance took place?
ozric76 2 years ago 2
Yes, it was in Kiev (Ukraine).
truecrypt 2 years ago
Thanks.
ozric76 2 years ago
@truecrypt
Kiev was in URSS in this time.
222mozart 1 year ago
@222mozart
Yes, Kiev was a capital of Ukrainian Republic (one of 15) within the USSR at that time.
truecrypt 1 year ago
Liszt made a transcription of the Lacrimosa. This sounds almost like it, with some subtle differences. I wonder if Yudina basically played the Liszt, with her changes, somewhat like Horowitz did with certain works of Liszt. But I'm not sure. Anyhow, she played it very movingly.
stan724 3 years ago 4
this performance is a marvel
nikolaimedtner 3 years ago 2
Although I must admit that its not Yudina's best interpretation of something, but its very interesting to hear a Requiem played on a piano. You cannot make a piano sound as loud and grand as choral forces and a full orchestra, but her attempt at this is very convincing. It would be extremely hard for any pianist to get that feeling that a chorus and a orchestra would give. So 5 stars.
Sinfoniette 3 years ago
What about intimacy?
Is she "attempting" here to sound "convincing"?
She is merely making a statement, nothing more and nothing less.
caijpp 3 years ago
Well, if it isn't an attempt to play the Requiem on piano, what is it?
Sinfoniette 3 years ago 2
I probably have misunderstood your usage of "attempt"...I thought you meant that she was trying to convince her music to others.
Sorry!
caijpp 3 years ago 3
Very special. I like her sort of minimalistic approach.
ohrenbrausen 3 years ago
As always with Yudina, her interpretations are willful and wonderful! Her use of rubato and the dynamics are stunning. She is among the truly great artists.
Thank you for posting!
AndreiKrakovsky 3 years ago
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Nobody prevented you to ban who you wanted ;-) You may be really asleep and deaf to be still irritated. People already said you have perfectly the right to be intolerant. Its your world, each one has his belief. Go on if you like that and if you have time to spend. Its just ridiculous. Do as you want :-)
DelicateSpringFlower 3 years ago
Dear (un)DelicateSpringFlower;
What I do depends on what you and "your friends" will do or not. I don't fight cowardly by opening a new account for every comment. You or your friend(s) received my message - now it's your choice.
truecrypt 3 years ago
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Truecrypt, your intolerance makes me just ashamed to love the music ! And in addition you ban people who dare to speak of tolerance !! What a complete picture for a vicious circle you draw there ... I will pray for you to grow up in order you to be more comprehensive with people and to learn the sense of a word that currently flies thousand miles above your head : "LOVE" ...
Doldoldol2 3 years ago
Yes, Sara, I noticed you mention LOVE quite often, but somehow obsessed with hate...
No need to log in/out so often to rate your own comment though...
truecrypt 3 years ago
Tears filtered through the visual filter of an anxious kerosene lamp's flicker on an abandoned street in a lost European place 225 years ago.A soul raging joyfully at it's limitedness.
ClassicalMusicReview 3 years ago
(1st attempt didn't show) Yudina has interesting rhythmic approach. During first minute or so,at slowest tempo, beats are often delayed on dotted quarter (4 to a bar). After 1:10 or so, second 8th of each group delayed. Tempo picks up greatly throughout.The last few minutes move along more, until ritard at end. Was all this planned - a psychological effect? Probably. Great tonal control and variety. Fascinating choice for a transcription. Great post!
camaysar222 3 years ago
Truecrypt, this is EXCELLENT!!! 5stars without any discussion. Great, Maria Yudina!
mxtiplitz 3 years ago
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Well ... End of the test. What you ignore Truecrypt is that I like so much that tune that I listened this in loop, yesterday. I already read you in an other post when you wrote so someone things like "beginning of the end".
Jokk49 3 years ago
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So i wanted to make sure. Thanks to give us the demonstration of it ! !! I would almost laugh in reading you, Truecrypt, but its just pathetic that there still are people in the 21t century who do not bother to qualify the other 's tastes as "beginning of the end", "sleeping souls" etc. I invite people who would see more of that oh so gentle words, to just read all that you are wrote here. Our conversation stop here, cause you really make me sick.
Jokk49 3 years ago
Dear Jokk49/Kalotaky/Coolosdude;
I would be happy to stop, but seems like your-multiple-"self" can not put an end to this nonsense... Don't worry, people will see who said what, when and how! ;)
truecrypt 3 years ago
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Jokk49 3 years ago
Im afraid I must agree with the dissenters here... the tempo is a bit on the slow side for my taste and the phrasing is a bit awkward. On the other hand, they had no right to attack you the way they did. Thanks for uploading this performance; it gives an insight into the piece which I wouldn't have before considered. This is all I look for from youtube: new insights into old pieces (whether I agree with them or not is my own business).
themfromspace 3 years ago 2
You shouldn't bother with them truecrypt it would take an idiot to vandalize this piece, and if you think not you should stop chewing on rocks and get a life.
bineblies 3 years ago 4
The opening bars are extraordinarily beautiful, and as always there is such depth and power in Yudina's playing. As Richter, said "she had a huge talent"!
ThomasJBromley 3 years ago
Probably about 3-4 accounts are the same person here since many of the accounts were made all on February 26, 2009...
But anyway, of course piano transcriptions are problematic, and people that keep posting about how it's not as good as the original Requiem are beating a dead horse!
How do you get a work for full orchestra AND CHORUS onto one piano and expect the same results?
People may not like the transcription but if they're going to say something don't state the obvious.
RabidCh 3 years ago
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Sinfoniette 3 years ago
Please, Sinfoniette, don't stop the... him! There are couple things they / he don't know - it's called YT insight... plus a little slips like talking about "yesterday" when it was "today". It was "yesterday" but only in Australia!!! ;)
truecrypt 3 years ago
"I stand alone"...under the sunlight, in the shadow, on the plain, in the storm, no matter in heaven or in hell, I stand alone, and nothing is more powerful than the fact that I am standing alone...
Very courageous performance by Yudina. Thank you Andre.
caijpp 3 years ago
Oops, another new member! Kalotaky!
It appears that someone is trapped in a psychotic episode...
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
It's the same guy! ;) Let him "express himself"! ;)
truecrypt 3 years ago
I would hope that truecrypt would delete the posts of Edelweissz and Coolosdude. It seems painfully obvious that both of those accounts were created TODAY for the specific purpose of VANDALIZING this video.
I'm aware of some recent silliness from tHEnOOSEsWING on truecrypt videos--so those accounts may be him. Or, they may be from yet another lunatic. In any case, they are not "opinions," they are just graffiti, and should be cleaned off the page.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
I just did, but before they/he had to labor really hard opening 15 accounts! ;)
truecrypt 3 years ago
I commend your discretion and discernment in removing the trash while keeping the sincere (if ill-considered) criticisms.
Again you demonstrate fairness and tolerance--exactly what your lunatic detractors lack.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
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Edelweissz 3 years ago
truecrypt, you should be checking your horoscope. Apparently, the evil stars are glaring at you lately ;)
I too find it bad taste to disparage in any way THIS piece perfomed by THIS artist! "Falling asleep" in that context is almost like "let them eat cake."
Few can claim the life experiences and the "rights to interpretation" of this piece with more righteousness than Maria Yudina.
Thanks for posting this deeply moving performance...
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
Couln´t we come back to the piece itsself and the possibilities of such an interpretation? I think in this special case a transcription is problematic. There are so many different affections when you think of the choir and orchestra in the original.There you can hear almost everything between dispair, and even humility. Yudinas interpretation is nevertheless very expressive and full of dramatic and her ability to show so many different colours and make you hear even the orchestra I must admire.
kalliope34 3 years ago
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Seemingly, we could not be agreed each other. I wish you good night once more. You do not like my tastes, but It doesn't matters. That's the life. I respect your tastes and just hope you will be less self-confident about any absolute in the way of people feel the music.
Jokk49 3 years ago
I don't dislike your tastes, but the way you express it...
Anyway, it was an interesting discussion, I hope you'll change your views in a while... and see the subject (and myself) in a different light.
truecrypt 3 years ago
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"People like you" once more ... It seems that you really like to judge the others. It's what we hear since the beginning. Strange way to speak to the commentators and a little repetitive.
Jokk49 3 years ago
My way to speak greatly depends on who I'm speaking to. I'm not against the difference of opinion, but I hate boorishness. My friends (and enemies) know it well.
truecrypt 3 years ago
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"People like you" ???! Sorry if the free people whose i belong to, sometime like your vids, sometime not. And sorry they express their advices and have awaken you. Who is sleeping ? ....
Jokk49 3 years ago
People "like you" always talk too much about "freedom of expression"... the problem though they don't have much to express, have very high opinion of themselves and demand full respect to the "difference of opinion". Sorry, I have no respect or "artistic tolerance" to your opinion...
truecrypt 3 years ago
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You have absolutely no right to say to anyone that you do not know : "If you are not liking that interpretation, that's because you may not have suffer enough in your life". If it's your way of thinking, what a pity.
Jokk49 3 years ago
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Jokk49 3 years ago
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This Lacrimosa isn't that great. First, the transcription itself is horrendous. I don't have the score of the Requiem but by ear it sounds to me there are too many octave doublings in the bass (and sometimes in upper voices too) which give this piece a thick sonority that doesn't exist in the original. (cont)
nibelungensohn 3 years ago
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Many thanks to you, Nibelungensohn ! I feel a little less alone !
Jokk49 3 years ago
Another side effect of this arrangement is that the 1st beat of the bar is given too much emphasis. Yudina is not helping the matter by choosing a plodding tempo, pedaling excessively, and accenting heavily on (guess what) the strong beats.
This is not Yudina at her best. Her best work is probably the Diabelli's.
nibelungensohn 3 years ago
LoVE it and her intense art always . I find her moving ......... and this incrdeibly moving!!
chad410 3 years ago
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Intense dark walk but (very sorry) I was nearly to fall asleep (needless to say that I like much much better the choral version).
Jokk49 3 years ago
This particular performance was not intended as a reproduction of orchestral/choral version.
It's perfectly normal reaction if a young and healthy man falls asleep listening to this. The idea of the "DEATH" hasn't touched your existence yet... But it's a matter of time... ;)
truecrypt 3 years ago
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You do not know me and sorry but the idea of the "DEATH", as you say, have touched my existence for a long time ago Do you want to hurt the memory of my dead relatives ? I'm shocked by your reaction about me and it makes me very sad. And there is no links between a particular song and the way such guy feels it or not. Unless you blame all the people who just do not like classical (whose I'm not, but I think of them).
Jokk49 3 years ago
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I think your argument may be very offensive for them. Moreover it seems to me that its not forbidden to not like all you are liking. So I do not really like that particular song and say it, because it's my right. Nothing to add. But thanks for the music anyway.
P.S. : I did not know that I was a "young" man but I think it's a joke of yours .. ;-)
Jokk49 3 years ago
You are "stretching" what I said... You may have experienced tragic events in your life but they didn't make your musical soul sensitive enough yet, otherwise you wouldn't fall asleep. Nothing offensive here - if one doesn't see beauty in Michelangelo's Pieta, it means he is either incapable or not *ready*. What bothers me is that you "don't like this particular song" and proud of it. For me it's a sign of "beginning of the end".
truecrypt 3 years ago
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Once more I'm not agree with you. Tragic events affected my musical sensitive soul enough (thanks for my soul, it go well do not worry about it) to love and weep hearing the Requiem among hundreds other. But i repeat that I have the right to just not like that interpretation !
Jokk49 3 years ago
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You have no right to judge me like that. You are not superior to other people. Of my side, what bothers me is to read someone that write "the beginning of the end" for what it is a simple matter of tastes.
Jokk49 3 years ago
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It's arrogant, condescending, and intolerant to say to people what they have to love or not. You are neither God to nor inside my heart. Respect the other likes if you do no want they insult your tastes. Useless to speak more on this subject, cause all the likes are in the nature, there is no universal truth for that.
Jokk49 3 years ago
Somehow the last argument I hear from people like you is always "it's my right" or "it's my opinion" and 'who you are to judge me".
I don't dispute your right to express your views, but in such case shouldn't I have a right to express an opinion on your opinion? If you're "falling asleep" during this performance it speaks volumes about you. But of course even "sleeping souls" have their rights.
truecrypt 3 years ago
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We all have the right to express ourselves. But we have the duty to respect the other tastes too. So stop to call the people who dislike this interpretation "sleeping souls". Since then have we the right to be intolerant ?And sure you can take the time to respond to my opinions, as well I have taken the time to read your way to denigrate an other sensibility.
Jokk49 3 years ago
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And as you see, I have the right to express an opinion on your opinion of mine (and so on ...). We could go on long time like that, but I think we have closed the "debate" for a long time ago. So the sleeping souls wish a good night to the deaf ones who do not like the differences of tastes. I can't make miracles to convert you at the virtues of artistic tolerance. Unfortunately, all the people are not open minded enough to that.
Jokk49 3 years ago
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P.S.: I see and love the Michelangelo's Pieta, but it's interesting to read that we could not like this without like that current interpretation of Maria Yudina !
Jokk49 3 years ago
You don't have to like or dislike Yudina performance, but the way you express your opinion ("almost falling asleep") on "this particular song" speaks for itself. I don't like disrespectful and rude comments especially when such commentator demands "artistic tolerance"...
truecrypt 3 years ago
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Nobody "demands", when we just remind the urge of that. The truth hurts so I understand that you dislike to hear it.
"You don't have to like or dislike" ?! First news ! Of course we can tell what we feel. I do not judge the way you feel, but just mine ! I never judge your taste, unlike you !
"... Speaks for itself" ? Second news : We do not like to speak figurative. If I was litteraly falling asleep, I wouldn't be there.
Jokk49 3 years ago
Oh no... the truth is that you graded this performance as "poor" - one star! This how you see the "freedom of expression"! Exactly my point - too much talk about "freedom and tolerance" while doing something not very honorable behind the curtain. Old concept... Strangely enough my former "friend" tHEnOOSEsWING used the same logic and "rating strategy".
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