Actually the M249 also can take STANAG magazines for back up I don't really see the IAR replacing it, it still has it's downsides does it have a quick change barrel? You'll also have go reload very often since it's not belt fed and using a drum magazine will risk jamming it definitely doesn't have the level of power as a SAW but has more mobility but still not as much as a assault rifle
so its a closed or open bolt m4? that looks sweet? whats the difference? why don't they give it a big 100 round mag? it will be a real machine gun but lighter.
it's another attempt to replace the M4 the IAR mag for mag can't out compete the SAW it's a rifle that has to work in numbers it's concept is a great idea but lets face it the army is too sentimental to let the M4 go think about all the competition that gun has went thro and by some mircle that gun still hasn't been repalced by something better and there are infact better guns out there the IAR is one of many.
@MacIrish63 It's a closed bolt until the first shot. After that first bullet it's an open bolt so it cools it off faster and you don't have to worry about jams. After the magazine is empty is clicks closed so nothing can get inside.
@jozeaphe, I completely agree. I had a year as a saw gunner and while this concept sounds nice, it only holds 30 rounds. Maybe if they make a 200 round drum that isnt bulky and dumb like the beta mag, and then make practicle mag pouches for the drum, much like that of the saw 200rnd drums, and you might have a winner. Then I would question the reliability of the weapon at high volumes of continued fire. i.e. barrel getting too hot and fouling in the chamber.
Wait, why are we going back to the problems the BAR faced back in WWII? The reason why weapons like the BAR were replaced by the M249 and M60 was because of a lack of sustainable firepower that can really only be provided by belt-fed systems.
The IAR is interesting to me for that reason, especially since the Marines are considering adopting it.
the weapon really shines when it works in numbers think about the simulation if the guys holding M4s all had IARs along with Mack the LMG is good but a single gunner is at the most risk and if he's taken out the squad losses their edge. So basically the machine gunner is both the strongest and weakest point.
now consider what happens if that firepower is distributed throughout the entire team one weapon that can fill a number of tasks is more effective than a team with a varitey of guns
@Isharu The problem is that only the LMG would get replaced by the IAR. The entire squad would not be getting the IAR, just the gunner. I don't think this would spread out the firepower, but only make the gunner less of a target, at the expense of losing firepower.
Okay but the whole point of the SAW is that it has more rounds, in a belt magazine.. The IAR my have improved rapid fire capability but if it doesn't have the ability to hold the rounds it doesn't really matter, does it?
This weapon which fact sheet says its rate of fire is 700-1000, I'd say its 850 rpm from the video i just watched here, 850 rounds per minute, that's 14 rounds a second, that's 2 seconds a magazine, so much for a fire support that gonna last for 2 seconds, and even with an experienced soldier (fast re-loader) , to reload a weapon in real life doesn't happen like movies or video games. (Open ammo-pouch, unload empty mag, stick it in ammo-pouch, take out a full mag, clip it, close ammo-pouch).
@jozeaphe Point is, this weapon provides 2 seconds of fire support that is not even a heavy caliber, it uses a mag which reloading at fastest can take 3-5 seconds. Imagine the scenario : 2 seconds fire on, 3-5 seconds its off, 2 seconds its on again, 3-5 its off again, and so on... is that what you really call a fire support?
i dont get it,the old M-16A1 could do full auto just like the IAR(just alot less beefy and rugged),im not trying to be a critic of it, i like the IAR,its just that,why are they acting like its a new concept to turn an assault rifle into full auto? maybe im just understanding the information wrong..
Because it is faster to reload a weapon with a 30rd magazine then a drum magazine. Besides carrying such a beast of a magazine would be heavier then carrying the standard magazine. The advantages of a drum magazine lets say 100rds is still limited by the disadvantages.
IAR can fire both the 5.56 standard NATO and the 6.80 round...eats ammo too fast to be magazine fed that it functions more for "controlled" supression situations rather than full suppression
I'l take the m249's anyday...if i need to lay down a continuous suppressive covering fire for my 6 guys in order for them to cross a 200m distance and survive i'l vouch for the m249 to do its job
firing your SAW on full auto continuously is an invitation for your weapon to jam and make you a big fat target the the open bolt just adds to the issue you have to let the barrel cool between shots that's why it has an open bolt in the first place besides you can load the IAR with a 100 mag drum or you can give an entire sqaud an IAR. think of it if more than one memeber has the weapon then they can fire in vollys letting the other guys reload and they keep alternating
Just a M4 with a fast fire rate and a different design bolt. If anything you'll just waste your mag's and always have to reload even if you burst 30 rounds on 700-800 rpm's goes by quick.
@bf15thairborn Thats what i was thinking, considering with the SAW he wasnt using a box magazine and he said your belt could get caught up on something. Stupid, the SAW is better than the IAR, it has alot more suppresive firepower because you dont have to reload every 5 seconds. Also he says "my team are carrying M4's" - FAIL, they are LWRC PSD's, since they are testing the weapons made by LWRC its obviously a PSD, hes a dumbass. It doesnt look like an M4.
consider that more than one guy could use them in a single squad a single IAR isn't meant to replace a SAW it is faster on the reload than a belt fed LMG so one guy fires the other reloads and they keep cycling
guns just don't do the job people do the job, a weapon is only as good as it's user if their smart on how they use them they can be effective
and think if each memeber has one they all now have rapid fire ability in a lighter and firmiliar package u gotta consider that
@imanonymous93 some squad members arent given an assault rifle thats automatic because it gives up accuracy so they need a weapon to lay down suppresive fire
could this rifle supplement a saw gunner instead of replacing a saw. maybe in a small fireteam, one guy has this gun and another has the saw. the saw gunner can suppress fire and the iar gunner can flank or move with the others then lay down some small fire for the saw gunner to move. maybe a smaller team like a seals or delta or whoever, one guy has this gun while the other has the saw for more firepower for their squad.
@steveeeeboi They show 30 round standard mags here, but the USMC plans to use their IARs with Beta C-Mags –or similar drum mags– which is a dual drum magazine that holds 100 rounds (courtesy of wikipedia). Its good it can still accept the standard 30 round magus just i case though. I had the same concern till I found that out.
i agree with steveeeeboi every 30 rounds changing mags the streght of the saw is that it has many rounds and iff you hate carying a belt then get a box for it.
Here's a much simpler solution to snagging up 5.56 link - put it in a bag.
British Forces Minimi's seem to manage quite fine with it in Afghanistan.
It also fires from the issued SA80 mag (same as the M4) with no real dramas.
The UK tried a similar concept to the IAR, called the LSW, mag fed automatic rifle based on the SA80 platform. It was a relative failure: too heavy, didn't have the weight of fire of a true LMG and you couldn't change the barrell.
I know mac is ex-SEAL but he's being unrealistic when snaggin ammo with the SAW. It will be in a box lol... And why do americans call guns a weapons platform :P
@Louisthefish23 it's a show. he does what the directors tell him to do, just like many people do things at their jobs do regardless if he/she likes it. he probably hates the weapon in real life, or at least for the SAW purpose.
This rifle is good,coming with many accesories and features,you can tell they had ergonomics and functionality in mind.But they need to develop a universal rifle system.The U.S Still issues decade old M16's while the Chinese issue brand spanking new QBZ-95's straigt outta Norinco's massive industrial factories.
there is a better weapon that is never mentioned in these shows. the ar-10. the ar-10 fires the 7.62 from a magazine OR if a you wanted to be light machine gunner you could make it run off ammo belts. unfortionatly back in vietnam the us army took the m14 and the m16 over the ar-10 due to improper testing of the ar-10. in my opinion the us government should use the ar-10 as its main assault rifle and the stoner 63 as its main light machine gun. just look up those 2 and you will see why!
I think the opposite, if the IAR could accept more magazines like a C-MAG or banana it would be excellent, open bolts make the SAW jam-prone, and the IAR can still use suppressive fire and with a CMAG provide suppresive fire.
@andyhuangit To be fair, the BAR was meant to suppress riflemen, and the brass didn't expect the Germans to have one MG42 per squad. The BAR was apparently useful on the Japanese front and well-liked by most GIs on all fronts.
But yeah, if U.S. commanders want suppressive fire to be coming from a mag-fed infantry rifle, they're complete idiots.
this looks like a terrible idea, the SAW already fires from an open bolt, and has a heavy barrel and you can change the barrel out in a few seconds, and every soldier I've served with loves belt fed, belts only snag when you dont carry them in the container
still a disadvantage unless its belt fed or can accomodate a drum mag then it is a more effective suppressive firing weapon than the m249 I must agree with steveeeboi on that I don't want my support gunner changing mags or bugging his teammates for mags
Seems like a heavily modified M4 to me. In order to be a 'support or suppressive' weapon means to be able to lay down fire for extended amounts of time. Reloading not only gives the enemy an opportunity to return fire, but it takes your concentration off of the target.
@turayde I guess you can reduce reloading breaks by fitting it with a beta C mag, however the SAW does have a quick barrel change, whereas its more complicated to change the barrel on an AR15 platform in the middle of a firefight.
I also don't get why this is a possible candidate to replace the M249. Magazine-fed suppressive weapons have proven to be less effective many times. And the Beta C-Mag shouldn't even be considered as a possibility. Those things are heavy, cumbersome, and unreliable. One fully loaded Beta C-Mag weighs more than 3 fully loaded STANAG magazines. And for the record, its 100 rounds, not 200.
so what are the overall benefits over a m4 for example? it uses the same cal 5.56, so same stopping power ect, just with the advantage of firing from an open bolt on full auto, (greater cooling bla bla bla...) surely the point of the SAW is that it can lay down supressing fire i.e more than a standard 30rnd mag at one time, and this gun cant do that? so whats the point?
I was in The Royal Canadian Regiment on 2 tours to Afghanistan, where I carried the C9A2. basically the same as the SAW but with an AR colapsable stock, shorter heavy barrel, and an offset folding foregrip (so you can still use the bipod for greater distances). It was a couple pounds heavier with the heavy barrel, but required little to no barrel changes in prolonged engagments, it was much much shorter (even shorter than an M4 Carbine).
@tonylauecl It fires from open bolt on full-auto, costs slightly less (dunno about LE specific price, said to be around 1000 USD for the HK depending on configuration and order size etc.) and, for civvies especially, it should actually take most aftermarket AR parts without any difficulty (HK416/MR223... just doesn't). The 416 is by no doubt a very good AR, but I wouldn't say it's way ahead of everything else...
Just give the SAW vers. a Beta-C or an RPK style drum (Norinco made them, atleast).
is it just me or does it just look like an automatic long-barrel M4...? and if the barrel is hot like that, doesn't cooling it with water that fast make the metal weak?
i think this is a bit of a waste of time/money unless a round drum or extended magazine could be used overwise i would want a my supressive gunner changing mags every 20 seconds. also from this video i dont think it looks as effective as the sa80 lsw used by the british which is also in cod6 (l85 lsw)
the rounds wouldnt get snagged up as you move anyway, i doubt you would see anybody in combat areas just running around with a loose belt like they did in nam, they feed the SAW out of a belt box clipped under the weapon. Other than accuracy, is there any way the rpk-74 series doesnt do the same job as this thing? its looking to solve a problem that does not exist. as to manuverability, you see SAW gunners on the news all the time with the sort collapsable stock version.
I'm sure the weapon has its uses. But it'll come at a dramatic cost of squad fire power to go from 100/200rnd belt fed to 30-45rnd magazine. Are they going to carry a M240 per squad to compensate? Hardly think so. It'll be a pure loss of infantry fire power for the sake of mobility, and even then I wonder how much squad mobility they actually get out of it.
That was my general beef with this gun when i first saw the vid as well. A modern "support weapon" that has to stop to spend 3-5 seconds to reload every 4-6 bursts is just.. meh. Now if they add a 100 round "drum" magazine that would sort that problem, but AFAIK the US armed forces does not use that type of magazine.
@likekimchi70 I have heard something like that, but i have no personal experience of them. Now i am fairly sure that a reliable drum could be designed, but the question is if it is worth the bother.
I don't know why they're making one of the IAR's selling point "it's magazine fed". The SAW can take m4 mags also. I don't know if I want my suppressive gunner to be changing mags every 30 rounds.
@steveeeeboi The idea is for the "bad guys" not to be able to target someone because they are holding the much larger SAW. Everyone looks the same now.
I understand that. But they had to point out that the IAR is magazine fed as if the M249 wasn't. Regardless of that they're losing fire superiority by having lower cap on the ammo.
Nobody uses magazines in the SAW. It's an almost guaranteed way to misfeed.
That said, I don't fully buy the idea behind the IAR. This video is somewhat irrelevant however. The Marine Corps selected H&K's offering for the IAR contract, not this one.
@steveeeeboi the saw rips up and jams with stanag mags, hell it jams belt fed a ton too (easy as hell to clear, but its still an annoying and dangerous pause in fire) I'd rather have a lighter rifle style weapon with high capacity mags, beta cmags and the like are being developed and upgraded to fill this roll
Gotta keep in mind, this show is half advertisement, its free public and private contractor/LE/Mil press so that even if the dont get the big contract.. they can get lots of smaller orders. DHS/Border Patrol IIRC uses LWRC guns, heres another one for them
@steveeeeboi well it has the same function as the saw if you listen the lwrc is the same size as every m4 so you dont stand out and you can get 100 round drum mags so you dont have that problem
@steveeeeboi The SAW can be fed with M4 mags but since the SAW has a far more greater rate of fire than the M4, the mags usually get jammed. I guess this is the reason they need another Support weapon.
@steveeeeboi The point is, with mags, the ammo doesnt get dirty, there is no belt that could brake when not carried in boxes. The bolt doesnt get hot. But the barrel stil gets hot, i dont got that point too. Belts have normaly 100 rounds, if you need 100 round like a saw, then take a c-mag. Okay you could also take an standard m4 but you have less rate of fire and you bolt gets cooked up. If you want a m249 in form of an m4 with the capability of a cool bolt, than take the IAR
@malkrow21 I hear that Magpul is designing a quad-stacked P-mag which would carry something like 50 rounds. Considering how reliable their regular P-mags are, I wouldn't be surprised to see it being fielded as a part of the IAR concept.
sorry to crush your dreams people. but the marines corps are replacing some of the SAWs with this gun. However, there will still be SAWs in the Marine corps, just at a smaller amount.
@wellthennevermind, the M249 is actually a purpose bult light machine gun. The AUG is just an assault rifle with a heavier barrel. Which do you think is going to be better?
this weapon that they made is just an assault rifle with a heavier barrel. all i was saying was instead of making a new gun they COULD have just used the AUG because it fires at the same rate as the SAW,
When I was in the New Zealand Territorials I was a Lance Corporal.
We operated the F88 Austeyr IW and Steyr AUG.
Our Squad Light Automatic Weapon was the FN Minimi,and it was not that great a weapon.I got my grubby little hands on a canadian C8(Copy of the M4 Carbine with a M203 and ITL MARS Sight).
During the video he mentions that you could ask your "buddies" for a mag if you ran out of ammunition. You can currently od that with a SAW. The SAW is a belt fed OR magazine fed weapon. If you ran out of rounds for your SAW you could still ask a "buddy" for a mag.
About the fact it is a closed bolt weapon and it being dirty all the time. When you are on a patrol you carry the weapon in condition 3 (with the bolt forward) If you need to fire all you need to do is rack it back
Personally I don't know if I would want my SAW gunner to have the IAR instead of a SAW. Yes, a SAW gunner will carry a large amount of ammunition but instead of having 30 round mags he will have 3-4 monkey pouches with 100 round drums in them attatched to his MTV and a drum in the SAW already.
Personally I don't think that my SAW gunner would appreciate trying to put 400 rounds in magazines and placing them all in mag pouches. You would need 16 magazines to match 4 SAW drums
Does anyone know whether it uses a gas tube like the M4 or a rod like the HK 416 or SCAR? That would make a pretty big differnce in keeping the temperature down in the reciever I think...
It would be interesting to see drum mags in that, which would allow it to deliver the volume of fire of the m249.
@s11033 It's got a short-stroke gas piston (gas gets routed to piston, piston goes back and hits the bolt assy, sending it backwards), just like HK416, most other piston-driven AR variants, SCAR, Masada etc.
They state around an 80% parts commonality with M4 which would help logistics, and it should also have a heavier barrel by default.
Those making a point about the fire rate - most assault rifles fielded fire at slightly above 700 rpm.
the problem with over heating is true for any weapon even LMGs need a break to cool down in fire fights to you can't say their perfect either.
the IAR no doubt has that same problem but lets just think if you have more than one in a single squad like 3 or 4 in a group of 7 or 10 and the IAR gunners take turns laying fire down giving his buddies a chance to cool off or reload
plus each memeber now has equal capability with an AR and the same level of flexibility with improved auto fire
Really? If the SCAR was the IAR, then it would probably be called that. The SCAR not only isn't built on the m4/m16 platform, its made by FN Herstal. This is not the SCAR.
might as well stop trying to convince them Call of duty nuts are thick in the head and they can't see a good gun if it was right infront of them.
Personally i see this weapon having alot more utility over an LMG if you kit it up right and yeah with a lighter gun i'd appreciate being able to move with ease without lugging around over 19 lbs, seriously weight like that can slow even a stronge guy down.
another thing you may want to look into is if the entire squad had one insted of just one
30 round magazines and a slightly heavier barrel than the M4? Forget this thing, you'll be reloading all the time and if the barrel runs hot, it's game over.
Beta mags ... and its not very often a guy will be in the shit long enough to run the barrel hot .... if you are its time to regroup and call in some Air or a Stryker lol
Beta mags are unreliable and prone to breaking. That's why the military isn't too fond of them. By the way, the M249 SAW also accepts M16 magazines, but they didn't care about mentioning that.
AND, if this weapon is supposed to lay down "serious" supressive fire, then the barrel WILL run hot, especially if it's only "slightly heavier" than on regular assault rifles, which overheat after about 150 rounds of full auto. Mind you, the SAW can fire 200 rounds without reloading or overheating.
it's belt fed but you can put the belt in a ammunition box so that solves the issue of stagging the belt
nachospole1 1 year ago
OMFG wtf were they doing in the begining. Are they role playing as weakend worriors or somethin. That would explain alot.
MrTKOer 1 year ago
The M4s the other SF guys using look like the LWRC PSD which takes the 6.8 round. Does the IAR use the 5.56 or the 6.8?
DrShavargoMD 1 year ago
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SaoMir1 1 year ago
Actually the M249 also can take STANAG magazines for back up I don't really see the IAR replacing it, it still has it's downsides does it have a quick change barrel? You'll also have go reload very often since it's not belt fed and using a drum magazine will risk jamming it definitely doesn't have the level of power as a SAW but has more mobility but still not as much as a assault rifle
likekimchi70 1 year ago 2
yeah give em all iar's
entstephen 1 year ago
was that tha javelin SAM??? nice!!!
julian23561 1 year ago
i still dont see how its more porewful than the m4
canadianbacon957 1 year ago
@canadianbacon957 longer barrel therefor the bullet leaves the weapon at a higher velocity
goonballer 1 year ago
so its a closed or open bolt m4? that looks sweet? whats the difference? why don't they give it a big 100 round mag? it will be a real machine gun but lighter.
MacIrish63 1 year ago
it's another attempt to replace the M4 the IAR mag for mag can't out compete the SAW it's a rifle that has to work in numbers it's concept is a great idea but lets face it the army is too sentimental to let the M4 go think about all the competition that gun has went thro and by some mircle that gun still hasn't been repalced by something better and there are infact better guns out there the IAR is one of many.
Isharu 1 year ago
@MacIrish63 It's a closed bolt until the first shot. After that first bullet it's an open bolt so it cools it off faster and you don't have to worry about jams. After the magazine is empty is clicks closed so nothing can get inside.
Hmloki 1 year ago
@MartinApayauq1997 MG3 is 7.62 x 51mm NATO. Not 7.62 x 39mm
Fowarderboy 1 year ago
Can't you put 30 round STANAGs in an M249?
Fowarderboy 1 year ago
@Fowarderboy yes
entstephen 1 year ago
this would be better with a drum mag cos theres not really enough ammo in a standard mag to put down long suppressive fire
woolensheep192 1 year ago
@jozeaphe, I completely agree. I had a year as a saw gunner and while this concept sounds nice, it only holds 30 rounds. Maybe if they make a 200 round drum that isnt bulky and dumb like the beta mag, and then make practicle mag pouches for the drum, much like that of the saw 200rnd drums, and you might have a winner. Then I would question the reliability of the weapon at high volumes of continued fire. i.e. barrel getting too hot and fouling in the chamber.
WallyMerc06 1 year ago
Wait, why are we going back to the problems the BAR faced back in WWII? The reason why weapons like the BAR were replaced by the M249 and M60 was because of a lack of sustainable firepower that can really only be provided by belt-fed systems.
The IAR is interesting to me for that reason, especially since the Marines are considering adopting it.
devilsadvocate22289 1 year ago
the weapon really shines when it works in numbers think about the simulation if the guys holding M4s all had IARs along with Mack the LMG is good but a single gunner is at the most risk and if he's taken out the squad losses their edge. So basically the machine gunner is both the strongest and weakest point.
now consider what happens if that firepower is distributed throughout the entire team one weapon that can fill a number of tasks is more effective than a team with a varitey of guns
Isharu 1 year ago
@Isharu The problem is that only the LMG would get replaced by the IAR. The entire squad would not be getting the IAR, just the gunner. I don't think this would spread out the firepower, but only make the gunner less of a target, at the expense of losing firepower.
devilsadvocate22289 1 year ago
Germany took part in making this gun, HK should be getting credit for this.
Ghostrebel017 1 year ago
M249 SAW para and ammo boxes...problem solwed now get back on your machine gun
anteracmacash 1 year ago
Might as well just put bigger barrels on the m16/m4 you can burn the ammo just as fast in three round burst as an auto
Igotsdis 1 year ago
The SAW also uses magazines that the belt goes in so you wouldn't have to worry as much about snagging on a wall or something like that.
THE13EARJEW 1 year ago
Okay but the whole point of the SAW is that it has more rounds, in a belt magazine.. The IAR my have improved rapid fire capability but if it doesn't have the ability to hold the rounds it doesn't really matter, does it?
MCMXCII 1 year ago
@MCMXCII They are experimenting with the Beta C-Mag is a 100-round capacity.
tinamoul 1 year ago
@MCMXCII They are experimenting with the Beta C-Mag it has a 100-round capacity
tinamoul 1 year ago
SA80 and all that stuff sucks
Ambienttz 1 year ago
This weapon which fact sheet says its rate of fire is 700-1000, I'd say its 850 rpm from the video i just watched here, 850 rounds per minute, that's 14 rounds a second, that's 2 seconds a magazine, so much for a fire support that gonna last for 2 seconds, and even with an experienced soldier (fast re-loader) , to reload a weapon in real life doesn't happen like movies or video games. (Open ammo-pouch, unload empty mag, stick it in ammo-pouch, take out a full mag, clip it, close ammo-pouch).
jozeaphe 1 year ago
@jozeaphe Point is, this weapon provides 2 seconds of fire support that is not even a heavy caliber, it uses a mag which reloading at fastest can take 3-5 seconds. Imagine the scenario : 2 seconds fire on, 3-5 seconds its off, 2 seconds its on again, 3-5 its off again, and so on... is that what you really call a fire support?
jozeaphe 1 year ago
i dont get it,the old M-16A1 could do full auto just like the IAR(just alot less beefy and rugged),im not trying to be a critic of it, i like the IAR,its just that,why are they acting like its a new concept to turn an assault rifle into full auto? maybe im just understanding the information wrong..
OsanBlackCat5RS 1 year ago
not too sure why they use standard 30rd mags. Id imagine they would be carrying a few drum mags, with 30rds as last resort.
NoahHoe 1 year ago
@NoahHoe
Because it is faster to reload a weapon with a 30rd magazine then a drum magazine. Besides carrying such a beast of a magazine would be heavier then carrying the standard magazine. The advantages of a drum magazine lets say 100rds is still limited by the disadvantages.
gibben100 1 year ago
IAR can fire both the 5.56 standard NATO and the 6.80 round...eats ammo too fast to be magazine fed that it functions more for "controlled" supression situations rather than full suppression
I'l take the m249's anyday...if i need to lay down a continuous suppressive covering fire for my 6 guys in order for them to cross a 200m distance and survive i'l vouch for the m249 to do its job
particleocclusion 1 year ago
firing your SAW on full auto continuously is an invitation for your weapon to jam and make you a big fat target the the open bolt just adds to the issue you have to let the barrel cool between shots that's why it has an open bolt in the first place besides you can load the IAR with a 100 mag drum or you can give an entire sqaud an IAR. think of it if more than one memeber has the weapon then they can fire in vollys letting the other guys reload and they keep alternating
Isharu 1 year ago
Just a M4 with a fast fire rate and a different design bolt. If anything you'll just waste your mag's and always have to reload even if you burst 30 rounds on 700-800 rpm's goes by quick.
bf15thairborn 1 year ago
@bf15thairborn yeah they should have made a new mag just for this weapon A mag that carries more rounds
aromsolrac01 1 year ago
@bf15thairborn Thats what i was thinking, considering with the SAW he wasnt using a box magazine and he said your belt could get caught up on something. Stupid, the SAW is better than the IAR, it has alot more suppresive firepower because you dont have to reload every 5 seconds. Also he says "my team are carrying M4's" - FAIL, they are LWRC PSD's, since they are testing the weapons made by LWRC its obviously a PSD, hes a dumbass. It doesnt look like an M4.
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
@TaZ101SAGA
Ya your right. Perhaps if they developed a drum magazine for it wouldn't be a waste.
bf15thairborn 1 year ago
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135twilight 1 year ago
consider that more than one guy could use them in a single squad a single IAR isn't meant to replace a SAW it is faster on the reload than a belt fed LMG so one guy fires the other reloads and they keep cycling
guns just don't do the job people do the job, a weapon is only as good as it's user if their smart on how they use them they can be effective
and think if each memeber has one they all now have rapid fire ability in a lighter and firmiliar package u gotta consider that
Isharu 1 year ago
lol suppressor on a SAW?
vutoob10 1 year ago
whats the difference between this and an assualt rifle i dont get it?
imanonymous93 1 year ago
@imanonymous93 bigger caliber
harrison2244 1 year ago
@imanonymous93 some squad members arent given an assault rifle thats automatic because it gives up accuracy so they need a weapon to lay down suppresive fire
SMHXURKILLER 1 year ago
@SMHXURKILLER kk thanks for the feedback :)
imanonymous93 1 year ago
@imanonymous93 This fires from an open bolt, so it can fire for alot longer on full auto without over heating.
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
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imanonymous93 1 year ago
UPDATE IT FOR 6.8 mm ROUND
GreysonREC7 1 year ago
yo bro, every heard of a box mag? might help
PhilipK71 1 year ago
could this rifle supplement a saw gunner instead of replacing a saw. maybe in a small fireteam, one guy has this gun and another has the saw. the saw gunner can suppress fire and the iar gunner can flank or move with the others then lay down some small fire for the saw gunner to move. maybe a smaller team like a seals or delta or whoever, one guy has this gun while the other has the saw for more firepower for their squad.
knight6 1 year ago
put a 100 round box clip on it then its a good idea, obviously dont have the bullet chain hanging out
Thetrigger909 1 year ago
The M249 saw is still my favorite!!!!!
besides just use box to hold the belt
phailbax 1 year ago
The M249 saw is still my favorite!!!!!
besides just use box to hold the belt
phailbax 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi They show 30 round standard mags here, but the USMC plans to use their IARs with Beta C-Mags –or similar drum mags– which is a dual drum magazine that holds 100 rounds (courtesy of wikipedia). Its good it can still accept the standard 30 round magus just i case though. I had the same concern till I found that out.
jdm011692 1 year ago
i agree with steveeeeboi every 30 rounds changing mags the streght of the saw is that it has many rounds and iff you hate carying a belt then get a box for it.
AAfireworks 1 year ago
this should just be given to everyone.
motorhead992 1 year ago
Shouldn't a support gunner have a magazine of at least 100 bullets in 1 mag?
Than he complains about the open bolt, in full auto the bolt is open, which is it
's purpose...?
ThaWolf24 1 year ago
it would suck if my gunner had to reload all the time, but i guess if he used c-mags or more clips, it might work
rollingstoner69 1 year ago
I don't get it... He fires the M4 and pours water on the BARREL and it steams.
Then he fires the M6A4 and touches the bolt where it is SUPPOSE to be cool. And it's like see? It's cool....duh....
whatevar 1 year ago
@whatevar he doesn't fire a m16a4?
ThaWolf24 1 year ago
They probably couldn't induce a cookoff with the Colt even if they tried.
This episode was brought to you by LWRC :)
novan3 1 year ago
"The rest of my team is armed with M4's" Umm Actually they are PSD's, 6.8mm's not 5.56mm.
supernovalogic 1 year ago
Here's a much simpler solution to snagging up 5.56 link - put it in a bag.
British Forces Minimi's seem to manage quite fine with it in Afghanistan.
It also fires from the issued SA80 mag (same as the M4) with no real dramas.
The UK tried a similar concept to the IAR, called the LSW, mag fed automatic rifle based on the SA80 platform. It was a relative failure: too heavy, didn't have the weight of fire of a true LMG and you couldn't change the barrell.
I'd stick with the SAW tbh.
cmiller2708 1 year ago
Here's a much simpler solution to snagging up 5.56 link - put it in a bag.
British Forces Minimi's seem to manage quite fine with it in Afghanistan.
cmiller2708 1 year ago
that simulation at the beginning was almost embarrassing to watch....
iansquared3 1 year ago 15
@iansquared3 why exactly? it IS 'just' a simulation.
Mogred 1 year ago
looks like Rambo got owned XD
xxXKAZHXxx 1 year ago
"You're carrying the big stick, and everybody gets to see it."
#LOL#
XxAssassiNxX089 1 year ago 8
I know mac is ex-SEAL but he's being unrealistic when snaggin ammo with the SAW. It will be in a box lol... And why do americans call guns a weapons platform :P
Louisthefish23 1 year ago
@Louisthefish23 it's a show. he does what the directors tell him to do, just like many people do things at their jobs do regardless if he/she likes it. he probably hates the weapon in real life, or at least for the SAW purpose.
knight6 1 year ago
This rifle is good,coming with many accesories and features,you can tell they had ergonomics and functionality in mind.But they need to develop a universal rifle system.The U.S Still issues decade old M16's while the Chinese issue brand spanking new QBZ-95's straigt outta Norinco's massive industrial factories.
fixdeluxe1 1 year ago
who killed da camrea man.. nuuuuuu
Drunkways 1 year ago
instead of a standard 30 round mag they should make a 200 round drum or at least make a new 50 round mag or something like that
aromsolrac01 1 year ago
so the saw is cooled because its an open bolt? the m4 cooks faster than the saw i would of never thought that? the IAR is sick!
MasterAnzio 1 year ago
I noticed the M4's in the squad battle are the same ones in MW2.
135twilight 1 year ago
@135twilight They are not M4's they are PSD's.
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
@TaZ101SAGA So does that mean it uses 6.8mm rounds because remember how his partner gave him a spare PSD mag during the second firefight.
135twilight 1 year ago
@135twilight And by "it" I mean the IAR.
135twilight 1 year ago
That is no good replasment for a LMG!!
SWEmanque 1 year ago
Whoever that was at 0:57, his elbow will most likely get hit someday... He should keep it in, just a basic stance rule.
GuitarTech94 1 year ago
this is stupid. its just a slightly heavier m4.
leeeinfield 1 year ago
there is a better weapon that is never mentioned in these shows. the ar-10. the ar-10 fires the 7.62 from a magazine OR if a you wanted to be light machine gunner you could make it run off ammo belts. unfortionatly back in vietnam the us army took the m14 and the m16 over the ar-10 due to improper testing of the ar-10. in my opinion the us government should use the ar-10 as its main assault rifle and the stoner 63 as its main light machine gun. just look up those 2 and you will see why!
greendayfan234 1 year ago
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Treembea 1 year ago
@Treembea
Mac has a mag in his gun, but it is not to see because of the tires, he uses as cover
91darksideshadow 1 year ago
@91darksideshadow i know i saw that just after i posted it, i thought i canceled the post but i guess i didnt. oh well.
Treembea 1 year ago
I think the opposite, if the IAR could accept more magazines like a C-MAG or banana it would be excellent, open bolts make the SAW jam-prone, and the IAR can still use suppressive fire and with a CMAG provide suppresive fire.
ferrarithief 1 year ago
can it beat a hk416
LikDatLollipop 1 year ago
I've got a quistion. When you fire a rifle in a flat area, without any hills, do you hear the flight of the round?
burt2800 1 year ago
Why he is just carrying the belt and not a box atachement baffles me...........
Rhinerider226 1 year ago 2
@Rhinerider226 Yeah, if he carried a box with a 200 round belt he wouldn't really have to worry about it getting snagged on a wall now would he?
135twilight 1 year ago
I love hes meant to be in a simulation of sorts, and yet hes clearly using live ammunition. Smooth editing Discovery Channel.
flaktower 1 year ago
Where's the 150 round cl-mag, 100 round beta-c mag, 90 round snail drum or even 40 round banana mag?
heat45jc 1 year ago
@andyhuangit To be fair, the BAR was meant to suppress riflemen, and the brass didn't expect the Germans to have one MG42 per squad. The BAR was apparently useful on the Japanese front and well-liked by most GIs on all fronts.
But yeah, if U.S. commanders want suppressive fire to be coming from a mag-fed infantry rifle, they're complete idiots.
HowlingWolf518 1 year ago
this looks like a terrible idea, the SAW already fires from an open bolt, and has a heavy barrel and you can change the barrel out in a few seconds, and every soldier I've served with loves belt fed, belts only snag when you dont carry them in the container
dippits 1 year ago
did you notice that mack always says "boom" when he does something?
mandalore1000 1 year ago
still a disadvantage unless its belt fed or can accomodate a drum mag then it is a more effective suppressive firing weapon than the m249 I must agree with steveeeboi on that I don't want my support gunner changing mags or bugging his teammates for mags
chichiboypumpi 1 year ago
ok a magazine fed rapid fire gun?
not realy special
especialy when they exualy just are searching for a gun and not making one thereselves
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
U are carrying a big stick lol
y2jshit 1 year ago 12
@y2jshit And everybody in the neighbourhood gets to see it : )
blurr77s 1 year ago
they dont carry m4 they are carrying hk416
hecka591aassddeewwqq 1 year ago
@hecka591aassddeewwqq Those are LWRC M6 rifles not hk416
Hogkillerm14 1 year ago
Seems like a heavily modified M4 to me. In order to be a 'support or suppressive' weapon means to be able to lay down fire for extended amounts of time. Reloading not only gives the enemy an opportunity to return fire, but it takes your concentration off of the target.
turayde 1 year ago
@turayde I guess you can reduce reloading breaks by fitting it with a beta C mag, however the SAW does have a quick barrel change, whereas its more complicated to change the barrel on an AR15 platform in the middle of a firefight.
SpoutnikMKV 1 year ago
really smart idea for an AR LOVE IT!
slientmarksman 1 year ago
whis weapon sucks, scar light ftw
noodow715 1 year ago
this gun could be nice if its magazine is replaced with a drum magazine
derekchenok1996 1 year ago
This is just a big M16/M4 with a heavier barrel. If you want a squad automatic weapon, you can just use a M416 with a dual drum mag.
pwn0grapher 1 year ago
I also don't get why this is a possible candidate to replace the M249. Magazine-fed suppressive weapons have proven to be less effective many times. And the Beta C-Mag shouldn't even be considered as a possibility. Those things are heavy, cumbersome, and unreliable. One fully loaded Beta C-Mag weighs more than 3 fully loaded STANAG magazines. And for the record, its 100 rounds, not 200.
kevinrocks2323 1 year ago
so what are the overall benefits over a m4 for example? it uses the same cal 5.56, so same stopping power ect, just with the advantage of firing from an open bolt on full auto, (greater cooling bla bla bla...) surely the point of the SAW is that it can lay down supressing fire i.e more than a standard 30rnd mag at one time, and this gun cant do that? so whats the point?
just give me a HK416 and .45 glock 21!
JoshuaG97 1 year ago
I was in The Royal Canadian Regiment on 2 tours to Afghanistan, where I carried the C9A2. basically the same as the SAW but with an AR colapsable stock, shorter heavy barrel, and an offset folding foregrip (so you can still use the bipod for greater distances). It was a couple pounds heavier with the heavy barrel, but required little to no barrel changes in prolonged engagments, it was much much shorter (even shorter than an M4 Carbine).
699theman 1 year ago
I can"t find it have a big differenec with hk416...
tonylauecl 1 year ago
@tonylauecl It fires from open bolt on full-auto, costs slightly less (dunno about LE specific price, said to be around 1000 USD for the HK depending on configuration and order size etc.) and, for civvies especially, it should actually take most aftermarket AR parts without any difficulty (HK416/MR223... just doesn't). The 416 is by no doubt a very good AR, but I wouldn't say it's way ahead of everything else...
Just give the SAW vers. a Beta-C or an RPK style drum (Norinco made them, atleast).
Blackscorpy 1 year ago
@Blackscorpy gd. description ,thx.~
tonylauecl 1 year ago
and with the magazine-feed doesn't that just elimiate the benefits of the belt-feed? can't fire for long periods of time without having to reload
DRFTmonkeh 1 year ago
is it just me or does it just look like an automatic long-barrel M4...? and if the barrel is hot like that, doesn't cooling it with water that fast make the metal weak?
DRFTmonkeh 1 year ago
Just need to figure out how to get more rounds per clip; don't think anybody wants their auto-rifleman reloading every ten seconds. Ammo drum, maybe?
HowlingWolf518 1 year ago
Put a G3 round in it , and man will it punch hard then .
arslankhan12 1 year ago
they just need a larger capacity mag and they are set
extremedealer 1 year ago
so it uses the same ammo as a m4 and its got the same capacity as the m4 the only difference is the barrel and the bolt mechanism
55Wacko 1 year ago
i would trade my M-4 for that any day.... throw a beta mag on that thing and your good to go
accrossan 1 year ago
i think this is a bit of a waste of time/money unless a round drum or extended magazine could be used overwise i would want a my supressive gunner changing mags every 20 seconds. also from this video i dont think it looks as effective as the sa80 lsw used by the british which is also in cod6 (l85 lsw)
adssm 1 year ago
@adssm The British Army generally use an FN Minimi as their support weapon, the L86 has changed to more of a designated marksman's role.
Phi1McCrackin 1 year ago
the SAW can use a standard m-16/m4 magazine...
WooDpenis 1 year ago
so true future weapons make the stuff that's old look shitier than it is and the new stuff seem a hell load better
likekimchi70 1 year ago
the rounds wouldnt get snagged up as you move anyway, i doubt you would see anybody in combat areas just running around with a loose belt like they did in nam, they feed the SAW out of a belt box clipped under the weapon. Other than accuracy, is there any way the rpk-74 series doesnt do the same job as this thing? its looking to solve a problem that does not exist. as to manuverability, you see SAW gunners on the news all the time with the sort collapsable stock version.
marcab1an 1 year ago
I'm sure the weapon has its uses. But it'll come at a dramatic cost of squad fire power to go from 100/200rnd belt fed to 30-45rnd magazine. Are they going to carry a M240 per squad to compensate? Hardly think so. It'll be a pure loss of infantry fire power for the sake of mobility, and even then I wonder how much squad mobility they actually get out of it.
Inkompetent 1 year ago
That was my general beef with this gun when i first saw the vid as well. A modern "support weapon" that has to stop to spend 3-5 seconds to reload every 4-6 bursts is just.. meh. Now if they add a 100 round "drum" magazine that would sort that problem, but AFAIK the US armed forces does not use that type of magazine.
BigSwede7403 1 year ago
those jam much easier
likekimchi70 1 year ago
@likekimchi70 I have heard something like that, but i have no personal experience of them. Now i am fairly sure that a reliable drum could be designed, but the question is if it is worth the bother.
BigSwede7403 1 year ago
the SAW isn't to be compared with that new rifle!! u can compare that new one with m4, its a very much different category
tarek1982 1 year ago
I don't know why they're making one of the IAR's selling point "it's magazine fed". The SAW can take m4 mags also. I don't know if I want my suppressive gunner to be changing mags every 30 rounds.
steveeeeboi 1 year ago 26
@steveeeeboi The idea is for the "bad guys" not to be able to target someone because they are holding the much larger SAW. Everyone looks the same now.
M4insanity 1 year ago
@M4insanity
I understand that. But they had to point out that the IAR is magazine fed as if the M249 wasn't. Regardless of that they're losing fire superiority by having lower cap on the ammo.
steveeeeboi 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi Gotchya, you're right.
M4insanity 1 year ago
Nobody uses magazines in the SAW. It's an almost guaranteed way to misfeed.
That said, I don't fully buy the idea behind the IAR. This video is somewhat irrelevant however. The Marine Corps selected H&K's offering for the IAR contract, not this one.
jtar7242 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi i think you mean IF you had a suppressive gunner
Hitech56 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi the saw rips up and jams with stanag mags, hell it jams belt fed a ton too (easy as hell to clear, but its still an annoying and dangerous pause in fire) I'd rather have a lighter rifle style weapon with high capacity mags, beta cmags and the like are being developed and upgraded to fill this roll
MarineWMU911 1 year ago
@MarineWMU911
Yeah I know that, just saying cause in the video they say it like it's not possible. Of course any pause in a fire fight would be dangerous.
steveeeeboi 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi
Gotta keep in mind, this show is half advertisement, its free public and private contractor/LE/Mil press so that even if the dont get the big contract.. they can get lots of smaller orders. DHS/Border Patrol IIRC uses LWRC guns, heres another one for them
MarineWMU911 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi it still ha an open bolt desine like he said in the vid.
slientmarksman 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi The selling point should be its piston operated which in itself keeps the bolt cold to the touch after 600 rounds of full auto
Hogkillerm14 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi Beta C mags!
coreysm1th 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi well it has the same function as the saw if you listen the lwrc is the same size as every m4 so you dont stand out and you can get 100 round drum mags so you dont have that problem
paintballslayer1111 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi Larger mags I guess?
mandalore1000 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi More like every 10 seconds with the high rate of fire.
135twilight 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi
Because many forces use Mk.46 or Mk.48 instead of SAW. And Mk.xx can't use stanag mags.
Ctiradloss 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi they make a 100 round drum for the IAR...but u make a good point
stevielicious3 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi drum mags?
Mick321Y 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi The SAW can be fed with M4 mags but since the SAW has a far more greater rate of fire than the M4, the mags usually get jammed. I guess this is the reason they need another Support weapon.
TheThinkTanksKid 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi The point is, with mags, the ammo doesnt get dirty, there is no belt that could brake when not carried in boxes. The bolt doesnt get hot. But the barrel stil gets hot, i dont got that point too. Belts have normaly 100 rounds, if you need 100 round like a saw, then take a c-mag. Okay you could also take an standard m4 but you have less rate of fire and you bolt gets cooked up. If you want a m249 in form of an m4 with the capability of a cool bolt, than take the IAR
Pr3d4T0R1989 1 year ago
I suppose you could use an extended magazine like a 100 round or 50 round drum magazine, steveboi.
malkrow21 1 year ago
@malkrow21 I hear that Magpul is designing a quad-stacked P-mag which would carry something like 50 rounds. Considering how reliable their regular P-mags are, I wouldn't be surprised to see it being fielded as a part of the IAR concept.
MingeBag546 1 year ago
@steveeeeboi Maybe because if your stuck without ammo in a shitty flanking posistion running out of belts, what do ya do?
TimePeriod 1 year ago
He has the best voice ever, period.
TimTheOneAndOnly 1 year ago
sorry to crush your dreams people. but the marines corps are replacing some of the SAWs with this gun. However, there will still be SAWs in the Marine corps, just at a smaller amount.
Hitech56 1 year ago
the didn't need to invent a new bloody gun. the styer AUG has the same rate of fire as the SAW,
wellthennevermind 1 year ago
they want a weapon similar to the m4
Hitech56 1 year ago
@wellthennevermind, the M249 is actually a purpose bult light machine gun. The AUG is just an assault rifle with a heavier barrel. Which do you think is going to be better?
esh325 1 year ago
this weapon that they made is just an assault rifle with a heavier barrel. all i was saying was instead of making a new gun they COULD have just used the AUG because it fires at the same rate as the SAW,
wellthennevermind 1 year ago
y they didn't put this baby in call of duty mw2.?=(
0spaceboy 1 year ago
When I was in the New Zealand Territorials I was a Lance Corporal.
We operated the F88 Austeyr IW and Steyr AUG.
Our Squad Light Automatic Weapon was the FN Minimi,and it was not that great a weapon.I got my grubby little hands on a canadian C8(Copy of the M4 Carbine with a M203 and ITL MARS Sight).
fixdeluxe1 1 year ago
Continued:
During the video he mentions that you could ask your "buddies" for a mag if you ran out of ammunition. You can currently od that with a SAW. The SAW is a belt fed OR magazine fed weapon. If you ran out of rounds for your SAW you could still ask a "buddy" for a mag.
About the fact it is a closed bolt weapon and it being dirty all the time. When you are on a patrol you carry the weapon in condition 3 (with the bolt forward) If you need to fire all you need to do is rack it back
lightofshados22 1 year ago
Personally I don't know if I would want my SAW gunner to have the IAR instead of a SAW. Yes, a SAW gunner will carry a large amount of ammunition but instead of having 30 round mags he will have 3-4 monkey pouches with 100 round drums in them attatched to his MTV and a drum in the SAW already.
Personally I don't think that my SAW gunner would appreciate trying to put 400 rounds in magazines and placing them all in mag pouches. You would need 16 magazines to match 4 SAW drums
lightofshados22 1 year ago
Does anyone know whether it uses a gas tube like the M4 or a rod like the HK 416 or SCAR? That would make a pretty big differnce in keeping the temperature down in the reciever I think...
It would be interesting to see drum mags in that, which would allow it to deliver the volume of fire of the m249.
s11033 1 year ago
@s11033 It's got a short-stroke gas piston (gas gets routed to piston, piston goes back and hits the bolt assy, sending it backwards), just like HK416, most other piston-driven AR variants, SCAR, Masada etc.
They state around an 80% parts commonality with M4 which would help logistics, and it should also have a heavier barrel by default.
Those making a point about the fire rate - most assault rifles fielded fire at slightly above 700 rpm.
And PLEASE don't use COD or similar as reference
Blackscorpy 1 year ago
the problem with over heating is true for any weapon even LMGs need a break to cool down in fire fights to you can't say their perfect either.
the IAR no doubt has that same problem but lets just think if you have more than one in a single squad like 3 or 4 in a group of 7 or 10 and the IAR gunners take turns laying fire down giving his buddies a chance to cool off or reload
plus each memeber now has equal capability with an AR and the same level of flexibility with improved auto fire
Isharu 1 year ago
that's the scar for mw2 i think
restdown17 1 year ago
Really? If the SCAR was the IAR, then it would probably be called that. The SCAR not only isn't built on the m4/m16 platform, its made by FN Herstal. This is not the SCAR.
SFD507 1 year ago
im not a fuckin' "call of duty nut". im just saying. besides, it's nice to have the heavier barrel.
whisbang1 1 year ago
It seems it would just be easier for the machine gunner to carry some sort of PDW or SMG.
schifty1 1 year ago
best fuckin gun ever
0spaceboy 1 year ago
I hope you guys know they do make 200 round drums for these
whisbang1 1 year ago 17
might as well stop trying to convince them Call of duty nuts are thick in the head and they can't see a good gun if it was right infront of them.
Personally i see this weapon having alot more utility over an LMG if you kit it up right and yeah with a lighter gun i'd appreciate being able to move with ease without lugging around over 19 lbs, seriously weight like that can slow even a stronge guy down.
another thing you may want to look into is if the entire squad had one insted of just one
Isharu 1 year ago
30 round magazines and a slightly heavier barrel than the M4? Forget this thing, you'll be reloading all the time and if the barrel runs hot, it's game over.
FrostyAUT 1 year ago
Beta mags ... and its not very often a guy will be in the shit long enough to run the barrel hot .... if you are its time to regroup and call in some Air or a Stryker lol
rankinmania 1 year ago
Beta mags are unreliable and prone to breaking. That's why the military isn't too fond of them. By the way, the M249 SAW also accepts M16 magazines, but they didn't care about mentioning that.
AND, if this weapon is supposed to lay down "serious" supressive fire, then the barrel WILL run hot, especially if it's only "slightly heavier" than on regular assault rifles, which overheat after about 150 rounds of full auto. Mind you, the SAW can fire 200 rounds without reloading or overheating.
FrostyAUT 1 year ago 5