Now, if anyone is wondering about why this post has come down to the topic of one person's behaviour,.. Have a look back in this thread to about a month ago, and check out the thread containing one of the top comments above. If you read through the thread, you will see just one example on Youtube of the complete and utter disregard this guy has for people who post here with decency...and proper and civil respect for others..sticking to topic and being polite. Watch the frustration build......
I have a friend who is from Manitoba..Winnipeg area.. and is typical of so many there. Knows little to absolutely nothing about politics.. But if you ask who they vote for, they answer Conservative without hesitation. It's tradition that goes back many years. This person has no idea that things have changed..that the party has changed....and that you need to use your brain at all... But this is what brought Bush in....and keeps influencing Canadian politics heavily... Sad but very true....
The PC's always had traditional farm support in the prairies. For most people, there wasn't debate about who to vote for...and it continues to this day. But the roots are in Dief and farm support in the west. Diefenbaker was a man of huge influence in Canadian political history.. Funny part is that much of the Prairies have gone to the NDP provincially...as they are the real support for farmers these days... But the fed thing continues...and Dief is still a huge influence federally..
@paulfornasier Actually an interesting point: Mikey keeps bringing up his comparison between Ed Broadbent and Jack Layton, saying Broadbent was a class act and Layton is a polar opposite. I wonder, has anyone put forward a comparison of Diefenbaker and Harper?
@gricer1326 I always mention the difference between Harper & Dief..but I've never seen a video about it. Did you try a search? Dief is a legend in Canada...I think there can be no comparison really. I see Harper fundamentally as an opportunist...and that doesn't serve anyone in the longterm. Dief stood for fundamental Canadian values. His speech about having a Bill of Rights is classic. This is the diff between neocons and social cons in the end. If you look at Bush..he stood for nothing..
It's HIM. People are not sheep to that extreme..LOL. I had to put that qualifier in...hehe. The sheep instinct is still alive and well...but there would be alot of defense for him if he had any ground to stand on..LOL...
@gricer1326 Gotta love it when little Mikey here is reduced to complete and total defensiveness...and he keeps coming back for more punishment. Addiction to his ego crap has got him by the cojones..not that he likely has any. These arrogant guys are all girlyboys in reality. Too weak to handle anything positive in life that really requires strength of character. Just look at his behaviour earlier in this thread with people who were being extremely civil and patient with his ignorant comments.
@paulfornasier Ohhhh pauly-boy. I am getting many e-mails from those on the left-side (polite, unlike you and grocer) asking me to stop posting. They say that when you respond to my posts (with insults, a lack of facts, lazy comments) that it takes their position back decades!!
As someone who supports both sides of the political spectrum, I truly believe I should just let you rant and temper tantrum alone--you will eventually tire--and stop hurting the left cause.
@paulfornasier You know what we've also got to laugh at? The typical school asshole who acts like the typical school asshole well into his fifties. We all know mikey - he can dish it out but he sure can't take it.
@gricer1326 I love it how we got him talking about being polite now....LOL... Mikey's infamous hypocrisy shining through again...LOL. All talk and no action...of course...hehe Reminds me of the way most of us look at our infamous bully and Mikey's god, ...Harper, these days....and the tack that the world is taking with bullies like Gaddafi... Is it any wonder that his pal Harper generates such a breed of supporters?....a gene pool that is likely getting quite inbred..hehe...
@paulfornasier I wonder, the rest of the world has had enough of their dicatorships and are actively fighting them, but thanks to people like mikey we just made ours more powerful. Mikey always talks about respect, he doesn't show any and wonders why he doesn't get any back. Harper makes it easy for fundamentalists to split their faith between their religion and the CPC.
@paulfornasier LOL, and I just read mikey's claim that he "supports both sides of the political spectrum". Sure....when can we expect to see some respect?
@paulfornasier Oh wow......he's using the same line you rip on him with, except tries to make it a valid debating point. Gee, I guess he must be getting even more scared, I though he bottomed a couple of days ago!
I love the idea that Mikey's twisted ego (not creative...so not really imagination) has come up with...that majority politics is supposed to get attached to election of officals in ridings..and this is supposed to have something to do with PR or STF....LOL Rex Murphy's line applies here......"the product of an overripe imagination and an undernourished intellect".....LOL.. Maybe he can try the potty trainer...so the shit doesn't get all over the place....
Mikey seems to have a funny definition of what an unanswered post is..... Also...a little note..is Mikey looking for attention?? This is quite obvious, of course.... I really don't think he has the ability to just express a civil opinion on it's own...without having to irritate someone..and get some self-absorbed ego gratification... Interesting also that he uses the same boring phrases over and over again....is this his idea of being clever??
@CoryTheRaven Listen to Mikey...now he's talking about showing some class ...LOL. Oh ya.....after he fills pages earlier in this debate with his useless ego drivel. I have to laugh my ass off...cause he hit the nail on the head...the useless twit....about how these idiots on the far right think they can be prejudiced as hell and intolerant as hell.....and he expects us to show some tolerance ....... Hypocrisy??????????? Hypocrisy?????????? Hypocrisy??????????? Hypocrisy????????????
@paulfornasier Conservatives tend to think that an ethic of diversity, multiculturalism and toleration is akin to double-think. That is, they think we must be tolerant of all viewpoints and treat all viewpoints as equal, and if we don't treat their views as equal then we're being intolerant hypocrites. Thing is, a multicultural ethos does not mean agreeing on everything or that one has to accept two mutually exclusive points of view as equal in merit.
@paulfornasier For example, an ethic of toleration does not mean tolerating bigotry. On the contrary, tolerating bigotry is exclusive of an ethic of tolerance and multiculturalism. What we're talking about is celebrating diversity within the legal context of freedom and equality for all persons, and that affronts to that legal context MUST be opposed.
@CoryTheRaven Have to agree with you there...that tolerance is meant for tolerating what we consider to be positive contribution...culture, language, civilly expressed views and so on. Tolerance is not to be applied to negative behaviour. If we operate for the good of all, then intolerance is NOT to be accepted. This is why we have the Charter of RIghts and Freedoms and a human rights tribunal. Both Diefenbaker and Trudeau were staunch supporters of a Bill of Rights and made that very clear.
@CoryTheRaven One of the big problems in my books, is that we have gone....as Judy Rebick actually states...from the Progressive Conservatives....to very neo-conservative and intolerant right wing parties. Began first in the US..and moved over into Canada in the Reagan / Mulroney era. We stood more independently of the US previously with Dief, Stanfield, Clark..and prior... The socially progressive part has moved to the LIberal Party..and the Conservative element has gone more extreme...
@paulfornasier Of course, Conservatives don't simply misunderstand an ethic of diversity and multiculturalism. They have a vested interest in exploiting that misunderstanding. They - who have no tolerance for views different from their own - want to silence discussion and dissent. So they pull this straw man out and say "you're disagreeing with me and you don't like me acting like an ass towards you, so you're being intolerant of me!! Hypocrite!" It's utterly disingenuous.
@CoryTheRaven The US has always been more intolerant and more paranoid about forms of govt different than it's own....and the same intolerance translates into religion so often, as we can see how absurd the American right can get these days...the infighting is hilarous these days.. I would say it began to take hold in rural Canada where fundamentalist religion is predominant. We never tolerated this kind of crap in the diefenbaker years. He would never have allowed such extremism.
@CoryTheRaven Hey...check out "blabbermouth.wmv"...a video clip from the Honeymooners...with Jackie Gleason. This is how I feel in this stupid situation with Mikey here...LOL...
Here's a classic post to Mikey... "2 more people have wrote me telling me to block you as you apparently have a tendency of cyperstalking people in order to get them to agree with you. Nice thing is, most of them are from the right & we have some pretty good discussions with facts/examples & they are not scary wierdos.You don't debate, you repeat yourself, & don't use any facts... You annoy & actually scare people, this is not normal behaviour, you seriously need mental health attention now!"
@paulfornasier Folks--looks like pauly-boy's emotional problems have resurfaced. Anyone-look below at his 5 consecutive unanswered postings! He makes up supposed "friends" sending him e-mails and gets angry when facts are presented that he cannot address. Again, anyone looking at the level of his insults (as opposed to my clever re-torts) can see the "issues" he must be having.
Pauly-boy, I've told you--good luck in that journey of yours!
Mikey's line about repeating history...and doing the same shit over and over again..is hilarious. If he could learn from his own statements.....might be nice......but wishful thinking of course........LOL
jcjccjcj@bs.com I sincerely hope that even the died in the wool Conservatives. Liberals, NDP will research and educate themselves on the history, past, present and future platforms and promises. We have given these Partys too much power. They no longer feel responsible to consult with Canadian Citizens or to be held accountable to Canadians. These ,especiall leaders, keep telling us what THEY are going to do. Not what the Canadian People and Country want or need. Pay attention needs of us.
jcjccjcj@bs.com Harper is a bully. What happened to the huge surplus of money that Harper inherited ? Health care less,junkies,homeless,mentally ill, gays, women. All reduced funding from "Harper Government"? Increase, inc tax,CPP,HST,sewage,water,recycling,paid ahead on purchase, bottles, tetrapaks, electronics, etc. What about Fixed Income. OAG, CPPD increase approx. $2 in January. Own home, propertax. Less avail, income. Seniors, Disables. Live poorly at bes. Shame on You!
@charleneosland I completely agree! It is disgusting that the lie-berals and NDP demand money for their campaigning while other groups get reduced funding! Mr. Harper has promised to stop these left-wing demanded handouts to political parties and that is why I am voting for him on May 2nd.
@mikefastener What?????????? Harper already has tons of money, and he wants to abolish the vote = $ law so that the other parties are starved for cash. Research before you act buddy! Jesus!
@mikefastener dude you been listening to too much Adler or something, vote subsidy is a democratic way of funding the different parties, next step is to get proportional elections.
@KENRJ71 Clown, you been listening to too much CBC. (A disgusting waste of money that I am forced to support, BTW--I don't believe you have to financially support Adler.)
Let the people decide on this gravy train for politicians--interesting the Mr. Harper is not a "pig at the trough" like the others, isn't it?
@mikefastener no I don't agree, I've been listening to Conservative attack adds for 3 years non stop they are awash in money, that money still ultimately comes from us in the form of profits business makes off us. Say Shaw and Rogers charge a little extra on the cable bill so they can spend money buying the government that will make CRTC look out for there interests instead of that of Canadians. I think the vote subsidy is a democratic way of controlling the propaganda.
@KENRJ71 Love your conspiracy theories! (Is the aluminum foil hat you wear a little tight? You, know the one you wear to stop the gov't reading your brain waves!)
Following your argument, then you must be disgusted at the CBC (a front for any left-winger--whether liberal or NDP) and that we are forced to pay for that propaganda.
@mikefastener dude why you so worried about the CBC personally I don't watch much TV I do like some of there stuff though Rick Mercer, Airfarce, laughs etc. I do listen to a lot of radio the CBC is usually quite boring the religious economic right wingers are more entertaining and easily outdo the leftwing propaganda. I think the CBC is OK but doesn't need to have local broadcasters all over just a cable channel and some funding for documentaries and artists comedians would be ok for me.
Although @KENRJ71 has a little too much conspiracy in there. The conservatives did break election spending laws in 2008.
And talk about conspiracies? The reason we fund the CBC is to promote decent quality, canadian content. It also ensures that their content is far less soaked in ads and product placement than most things. Take CBC Radio for one, completely devoid of ads. And yes, like everything the CBC has some bias. But it seems to me that it isn't too extreme.
@Ardnived I agree with you a "little too much conspiracy in there"---my understanding is that the Conservatives have been CHARGED with breaking election spending laws, not CONVICTED. (Amazing how left-wingers who would be the first to defend someone in a similar situation condemn Mr Harper's party--certain hypocrisy of the highest level.)
The CBC and you don't think the left-wing bias isn't too extreme? What a surprise!
How about letting Canadians decide what to watch? It's called, "choice".
@Ardnived Uhhhhhh.....I have no choice but to have my tax dollars fund the CBC (Communist Broadcasting Company).
Amazing, you left-wingers--you would have thought after Mr. Harper's incredible victory last week that you would understand that Canadians have figured out your weird views of the world.
The Communist Broadcasting Company? Wow. There goes all your credibility in my view. Do you even understand what communism is? How the hell could the CBC be promoting Communism.
But let me point something out for you. We Are The Majority. 60% of Canadians voted for "left-wing" parties.
As I said, you can make the choice to watch Global or CTV if you like. The thing is I don't view CBC as a "left-wing mouthpiece"
And about the liberals, no I am not calling them liars, I said "left-wing" in quotations because that is how you seemed to be classifying them. Rejected by some Canadians yes, but not most.
But if you think the conservatives are center you are severely misguided. There is nothing wrong with being left or right wing, but conservatives are not center.
@Ardnived Oh may--I love it when I out debate left-wingers (100% success BTW).
Are you saying I have a choice on whether my taxes go to funding the CBC? Please tell me further details!
Glad I called you out on your "lumping" of lie-berals into left-winger groups and I appreciate you admitting your error.
The definition of center "floats" in the political spectrum and it certainly appears that the Conservatives are center now. (Check the election result if you need.)
Oh I apologize I thought you meant choice in what you watch. If you want choice for where to spend the money I guess you'd need to vote for someone who thinks that ending funding to the CBC is a good idea.
It was not an error, it was intentional. Not that it is an insult or anything, there is nothing wrong with being left-wing.
Center has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is based on the party's ideology and platform, and conservatives are definitely right.
Well I can definitely see where you are coming with with that, but our governmental system just doesn't really allow for that kind of choice. If we started allowing people to pick and choose where their tax dollars go, that would likely just cause the system to collapse, and would largely make MPs pointless.
Certainly, I would personally prefer my taxes didn't go to jets we don't need. Perhaps to some new naval ships built-in Canada, but we can't just make those choices.
That's a matter of opinion. I don't think the CBC is doing that, and I do not think that the Jets are defending our country. Here are some reasons:
The army specifically told Harper that those are not the Jets they want.
Last year he cut the navy's coastal patrols in half, despite having one of the world's longest coasts.
Most importantly, no one would be stupid enough to make a frontal attack on Canada. Terrorism might be the only real threat, and in that case we should fund CSIS.
All your arguments essentially seem to consist of avoiding all the points I raise, and then attempting to twist other things I say to agree with your comments. And honestly, it's despicable.
@Ardnived I agree about despicable debating points. It seems that you are very left-wing in your approach while I favour a more neutral, Canada based viewpoint. We saw in the last election how your view was rejected by Canadians.
I guess the best advice I have for you is get over it, the left wingers lost and Canada won!
@mikefastener Uh, MOST Canadians voted against the Conservatives. MOST Canadians voted for the NDP, Liberals and Greens. MOST Canadians did not reject the left wing. The way our system works, unfortunately, means that the Conservatives rule without the democratic consent of the majority of Canadians.
@CoryTheRaven Cory you are poorly informed. MOST Canadians did not vote for Trudeau or Chretien.. (Did you post your complaints about them?) To single out Mr. Harper's Conservatives shows your inherit bias. The last PM to receive a majority of Canadian voters was Mr. Mulroney.
Glad I could educate you.
Your next post is to demand that Jack Laydown immediately give up any seat where the NDP did not get over 50% of the vote. Anything else would be hypocrisy...right?
@mikefastener Gee mike, I wasn't BORN yet when Turdeau came to power, and I was in grade 10 in 1993. Why don't you think for a second before posting tiresome rhetorical questions like "where were you...?"
Howabout this: maybe my next post will be to support proportional representation, so that each party, regardless of stripe, only wields the amount of influence they actually carry amongst Canadians. Seems fair to me at least, and I'm glad I could inform you about it.
@mikefastener Why do you think I don't know history because I think our electoral system is flawed? Funny thing is, I'm looking to NOT repeat history by changing it. You're content to doom us to a system of "beneign dictatorship" (Harper's own words, in 1996) because it has supposedly "worked" for 100's of years. When a party with 39.6% of the vote can get a majority to ram through their policies without opposition, and my vote doesn't count because of where I happen to live, the system sucks.
@CoryTheRaven Sorry Cory--you are confused. I quote history to you and you come back (semi-outraged) "I wasn't born yet or I was a kid!". Certainly indicating you claim no knowledge of the events I describe. Then I say, "too bad you don't know history", you replay "why do you think I don't know history". Practice your debating/logica skills a bit more. (You may wish to take a course!)
@mikefastener You actually appear to be the confused one, mike. What you did was ask why I wasn't outraged about the Trudeau or Cretien false majorities, and that my lack of outrage was evidence of a liberal bias. I replied that I was not even alive for Trudeau and not old enough to be politically involved for Cretien, thus negating your entire point that I am speaking merely from a liberal bias. You may wish to review your own comments, as you seem to forget what you even said.
@mikefastener Also, you apparently show little knowledge of the modern world: there are 80 some countries that use some form of PR and Italy is an outlier. If you're going to use them for an example of how it doesn't work, I might as well use Zimbabwe and Rwanda as examples of how First Past the Post doesn't work. Let's take a look at Northern Europe, where it works just fine.
But, of course, you're just for the current system because your guys are in charge. Typical partisanship.
@CoryTheRaven You did not address my very relevant point (because you may not have an answer or because it weakens your position)....why did the voters of BC vote PR down?
@mikefastener Actually, in the 2005 referendum a Single Transferable Vote system was voted for by 57.7% of the population. In the 2009 one, that particular itteration of PR was voted down. Why? According to the 2005 results and polls conducted prior to the 2009 one, it seems that BC voters supported the system in general. The 2009 vote was marred by an electoral boundary controversy that appears to have dogged the whole campaign., so it doesn't seem to be a shot against PR as such.
@CoryTheRaven Question: (based on your previous answers--its likely this will bother you and you will ignore it)
Are you like the Quebec Separatists? Keep trying for a, "yes" answer and then saying that one yes answer settles the question? Rather than perhaps the previous 3 "no" answers that preceded it?
@mikefastener I see that you have no real reply to what I said, so you wish to redirect. Very well. The problem with your uninteresting question is that there is not just one form of PR. A vote in BC marred by electioral controversy is not equivalent to the whole of Canada voting on a different form of PR altogether.
Of course you chose the scary Separatists instead of people like the Suffragettes, who kept advocating for women despite being turned down repeatedly. Such bias you have!
@CoryTheRaven And I have no real reply to you. I see that rather than responding to the Separatist question (a real and contempary issue in today's Canada) you prefer to cite an example from 80 years ago such as the Suffragettes. (Certainly interesting how you now have a new found knowledge of history—something you claimed not to have in an earlier post.)
I suggest you seek a weaker debating opponent--you've certainly have little to offer in a debate against me.
@mikefastener Of course you have no real reply (which, frankly, isn't anything new). I just did a total end-run around your attempt to consign me to the scary Separatists by invoking an analogy that is actually salient to the issue of voter rights and representation. The fight for PR is far more like the Suffragette movement. They fought so that women could vote, and PR advocates fight so that all votes count. And like the Suffragettes, PR advocates will keep fighting for election reform.
@CoryTheRaven Interesting Cory--I did a total end-run around you by easily demonstrating your hypocrisy. I describe a contemporary event--you refuse to answer. I describe historical events--you claim little knowledge of them. Now you claim an intimate knowledge of a movement that occurred over 80 years ago.
Unfortunately, for you, I have excellent debating skills (a talent since high school). I have met your type of games before.
Good luck-seek a weaker debating opponent-you may even win!
@mikefastener Oh mike, don't you know that when you have to tell someone that you're a good debater, you've already lost? Show, don't tell.
So far, all you've shown is that you can't remember what you actually said from post-to-post and that you like to misalign people's views to make them seem scarier. Those aren't even legitimate debate tactics, but a string of logical fallacies and bad faith arguments.
I think you should take your ball and run home, like you said you would.
@mikefastener Well, first of all I didn't have to explain what *I* said. I didn't backtrack on anything and this criticism doesn't even apply. Secondly, this is the second time now that you've resorted to "am not, you are" as a debate tactic: you claimed to do an end-run around me after I did an end-run around you, and now you're doing this "don't you know" question. It's hard for me to take seriously your recommendation that I take a course when you're copying everything I say!
@CoryTheRaven Interesting to note that almost all the recent leaders have advocated for PR at one point or another..... Could this actually add validity to the concept (could that be??)?? Are they all BAD people because they did so? LOL Gotta love someone who contradicts himself every step of the way. That poor little ego gets in the way of getting anywhere close to rational and logical debate.. Do we get the sense of when someone is desperate to protect their fragile ego?? Of course...
@mikefastener I also see that you want to keep on about my supposed lack of historical knowledge, despite my having explained to you what you actually said. I think that if you can't even keep your own words straight, you probably should take your ball and go home. I'm sure there must be opponents out there who are more down at your level.
@CoryTheRaven Again interesting--your "having explained what you actually said". You certainly sound like a liberal of NPD politician!!! I'm dropping this--how about we say that you, "won" so you don't throw a temper tantrum like you did with your parents when you didn't get your way?
We won't see PR for Canada; but, you keep "tilting at windmills"--look it up if you need to.
I'm sure we can both agree that Canadians are glad to have a stable Conservative, political neutral gov't.
@mikefastener If I sound like a LIB/NDP politician, it must only be because the CONS can't keep what they say straight either. That's not suprising, considering that Harper himself argued for PR back in 1996. I guess he flip-flopped once the system worked for him. Where are those true Reform Party types now? But we have come full circle. So far as I know, the 60.4% of Canadians who don't support the CONS are not happy about having an effective CON dictatorship.
@CoryTheRaven cory--you lose again! Considering that Layton argued for PR; yet, he refuses to drop any of his MP's who got less than 50% of the vote in their respective ridings, says it all. I see that old Liz May is similar; however, now she has had a rethink since she personally got less than 50%. (BTW...Mr. Harper achieved a resounding majority in his riding!!!)
Oh well, look below the left-wing wingnut distortions and you'll find the truth waiting.
@mikefastener Yes, Layton and May are claiming support for PR, and so did Harper, and I will hold them all to that. Unlike some people who let a party tell them how to think, I believe what I believe and I vote how I vote based on my own opinion. I'm not loyal to any one party or another. All of them need to be kept in line.
My advice to you is to stop listening to the distortions of any party, left or right, and look for the truth. It would improve you greatly as a person and a debater.
@mikefastener Interesting that you should accuse me of throwing a tantrum when you're the one who has been trying to accuse, misdirect, and misrepresent. Ad hominems, bad faith arguments, red herrings... it seems that there is no logical fallacy unused in your attempts to avoid talking rationally about a subject. As I said before, I think your instinct to get out of a conversation with me, take your ball and run home is a good one. You should actually stick with it this time.
@CoryTheRaven This is classic mikefastener logic (sic). The best thing is to not respond to his comments directly, but rather get enough people to agree with you that he gets scared and runs away.
@gricer1326 One thing I bet Mikey will never realize is that he is seeing a mirror of the crap he has been doing for years on Youtube. His crap is absolutely everywhere in political postings. Constant constant putdowns and berating of people's intellgence, views, abilties, efforts, and the list goes on....and meanwhile constantly trying to shore up that fragile ego that relies on the bullying of others to have any sense of self worth... This kind of ego is actually dangerous..if given power.
@gricer1326 And funny...Mikey has this delusion that his so-called "lefties" and whatever other derogatory remarks he uses for such people, actually have the desire to message him...LOL. I must say...I have to absolutely refrain myself from personal insults here.....becasuse of the absurdity of this person's behaviour....and his absolute disregard of people's decency. He hurls personal insults at every turn..justifying in his narrow mind that it's a valid way of communicating his empty ideas..
@paulfornasier Is it just me or did he just tell another one of his stories, unknowingly destroying whatever shreds of credibility he might have had? Honestly "I am getting many e-mails from those on the left-side asking me to stop posting". That's not a helpful argument by any stretch (well, helpful to us). I think we can declare ourselves winners here.
@gricer1326 I love it......now Mikey is having serious delusions that he is actually being reponded to from multiple sources on Youtube....hmmmmm... Mikey seems to be messaging other people who never say anything to him....hmmmm.....funny behaviour... The only thing I've really noticed is that the postings outlining Mikey's obnoxious so-called "debating" is getting more attention... Hmmm...and let's see.....has Mikey said ANYTHING AT ALL that is worth responding to anyway?? NOT!! .....LOL
@gricer1326 What still boggles my mind is that we are talking about a 55 year old man..... His lack of maturity is spread out for all to see here......and he keeps adding more. We get to see how addicted he is to his negative behaviour.....and all his twisted mental meanderings to try to keep it going..... The web is unfolding...LOL. Actually ...an interesting critique of the attitude behind the extreme intolerance exhibited by these people....and the danger of giving any power to them...
@CoryTheRaven Too late for that. One word: Clown. Oh wait, two words: OBNOXIOUS clown. Over to you Mike. I want you to thrill and delight me further with more of your debating skills. I am in awe. Please shine some your iridescent light my way!
@CoryTheRaven Holy crap, little Mikey's getting riled and making even less sense than usual. Poor poor mIkey eh... Time for him to suck on his pacifier...hie Mommy will give him a timeout...and put him in his room and he'll calm down... Such a fragile little ego... Good point there, Cory, about people who need to constantly say they are good at anything. As if anyone gives a shit....LOL....another ego soother...LOL... I don't think this so-called political fool can help himself...
@paulfornasier Everyone, I received an e-mail where pauly-boy admitted to someone that he gets angry at my posts because he has to keep "looking up words" that I use and he doesn't understand!
Pauly--if I get my vocabulary to you to one (or at most) two syllables--will that help you?
(Sorry--about the use of "vocabulary" and "syllables" above--look them up if you must.)
@paulfornasier Given how short a memory mike seems to have and how his arguments seem to change from moment to moment, I assume he's used to partisan political flipflopping. His concern, like those of most politicians, is the good of his party, not the good of the country. That would also explain his apparent ambivalence to logical consistency and good faith argumentation. He's in it to win it for the party, and truth or virtue be damned.
@CoryTheRaven Have to agree with you fully. Personally, I don't think he even knows what he's doing. If it was for the good of the party, It would be done with proper rational arguments. forethought, and civility. Have you ever seen a politician come to your door and berate you for your political leanings, ideas or judgements? Not likely...I don't think it's a recommended style of communication for increasing party following. I just get that it's the product of weak ego..and truly not much else.
@CoryTheRaven Let me expand on that last line.. It's the product of ignorance, weak ego, arrogance, dogmatism, self-absorption...and plain stupidity......all the qualities of the typical schoolyard bully...except this is a 55 year old man... I wouldnt' be surprised if there is more to be added to the list..that we haven't quite seen clearly yet... In his own words...these are big words for him....so I don't expect him to understand a single thing I write. Gave up on that long ago...
@CoryTheRaven Hey, do you remember George Bush's obliviousness to his impact on Iraq, when he was interviewed after the Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at him? Quite hilarious..but is there a connection here?? Of course, I don't believe that Bush really believed his own response...but many have said that It becomes an ego reflex to lie when the truth is too unbearable to accept..and I think that is more the truth about Bush....and probably with Mikey here too..still playing his childhood games.
@CoryTheRaven Hey, if good old Mikey really wants to be shamed....I could post links to all the great responses to his infamous posts ...long before I ever came upon his trash on Youtube, ranging back over the past few years.... Not hard to find his trash...when he's a trash troll.. They say that if the vast majority of people believe a certain thing about you, it is more than likely to be true....as the intuitive ability is very similar in all of us. It only gets tainted by fixed beliefs..
@CoryTheRaven Hey Cory, have a look at the video: Judy Rebick Comments On Canadian Election. It's an extensive debate that 3 of us had,...with Mikey's occasional stupidity thrown in. Have a look and you'll see how I normally debate...and what happens when Mr. Buffoon steps in....and what a fool he makes of himself. It was actually quite a good debate...and it didn't follow partisan lines at all. Mikey looked the fool of course...as we were debating with an Albertan..and truth trumped the C's
@paulfornasier I jumped in a little bit. But yeah, there is a world of difference between the constructive debate being held by your three and the shouts from the peanut gallery. Yeesh!
@CoryTheRaven So, Mikey's starting to plead for mercy,,,,,,,, Sign of weakness that we always knew was there anyway. Always knew his crap was just the product of a weak ego.......and the desire to shore it up by dumping on others... Mikey won't govern anything but the wiping of his own filthy butt....if can he can govern that. Probably stinks more than most people's also... Nice to have him tasting it for once...hope it tastes good for him... Attention whore?? I think that applies here...
@CoryTheRaven In addition, Cory, one of the big reasons for the 2009 result was the fact that many people did not understand STV at all...and so they didn't vote for it. It was never broadly explained in a clear way to voters. The 20% difference between 2005 and 2009 had to have been affected by something significant..and it wasn't about rejection of PR...especially as people were already starting to get quite pissed about Gordo.. Straight PR would be su much easier for voters to understand..
@CoryTheRaven Hey Cory, don't bother with this dingbrain. He listens to NOTHING. He is loathed as a troll on political posts througout Youtube, Don't ever think that he will debate civilly, fairly, or with ANY intelligence at all. He is a total internet ass, and nothing less. I can clearly say that he just does this to soothe his fragile ego...when he isn't sucking on his pacifier to do the same... Dont even bother...my recommendation....
@CoryTheRaven Notice how he avoids the issue of his misinformation and outright lies... This is his idea of being clever....when the only person he is fooling is himself. When the light is shone, he just tries another tack to try to "win".......something else to soothe his ego... THis guy is best left to rot in his own crap...as many have already said. Honestly...it's so easy to find posts of people dissing him for his insolence and self-absorption...
@CoryTheRaven The only thing decisive about mikefastener is his stupidity...sorry for bluntness, but it's necesary sometimes...when people do the same stupid shit over and over and over again....
@mikefastener I advise you to actually read leftist arguments and understand both sides of the debate. Unless you're just trolling everybody, you really have no idea what you are talking about.
The sad thing is that none of them are leaders of Canada, the country created in 1867 by the British North America Act 1867 (UK). There is no parliament of Canada. There has not been a parliament of Canada since 1904 (maybe 1901?). The parliament of Canada is defined in the BNA as a 3-part entity that comprises Queen Victoria, an upper house (senate) and a lower house (commons). There can be no parliament without queen Victoria. See my channel and whatisknown (dot com) video page. It's all fake.
@ngarcia103 Yeah they were hoping you forgot all about that one. Peter McKay promised the Progressive Conservatives that he would not merge with the Canadian Alliance under Stephen Harper? And what did McKay do once he became leader?
I love MY Conservative Party. We DO attack and we ARE relentless because we are RIGHT! Right on the Economy. Right on Crime. Right on Taxes. Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada - Right for Canadians.
@geoffck6969 You know, if you were to put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, the blood splatter would form a CPC logo on the wall behind you.. a party man, right to the end..
Just in case anybody was curious, ever parliamentary country in the world has coalition governments. In fact the Conservative party of Canada is a coalition between the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party, though the Harper government is using the 'coalition scare tactic' as it is the only line of defense they have against the accusations of corruption and contempt
@xxYetterxx The conservative party is a new party created by the merging of reform and PC. And just because other countries have coalition governments doesn't mean it's as efficient a way to run the country as if we had a majority government by what ever party.
harper has a long memory. he is only doing to the liberals, what they did to him while he was in opposition. the only difference is, harper is better at it and will be relentless. these days, it sucks to be a liberal. get used to it,
@BoredomCorner i will state this again to you.... it sucks being a liberal. get used to it. maybe you should stop watching the news, which has very little understanding of how people feel and vote. this is evident by the results of the present election. harpers revenge is complete..... the demise of the liberal party of canada .if the new democratic party of quebec decides to treat him the same way as that of the liberals, then they will be next on his hit list. again, get used to it.
@123dacat "Harper's Revenge"?? Steve-O didn't do in the Liberals, he didn't need to. Try choosing a leader and creating a platform that appeals to REAL Canadians, not to pompous, Liberal EGOs.
Sweet jeebies you Libs go from CROOKED (Martin), to BOMBASTIC (Dion), to WHO-THE-F**K-THOUGHT-HE-WAS-A-GOOD-IDEA? (Iggy) and then you can't even own-up to your own idiocy.
In the interests of fairness, does anyone remember the '04 and '06 attack ads from the Liberals? They didn't so much create a caricature of Harper, as the Tories did with Dion, but literally tried to capitalize on every stereotypical Canadian fear (guns, abortion, etc.) by making things up about Harper about which there was no evidence. Perhaps the Tories distorted things about Dion's ideas, but they at least had some basis in fact.
The Canadian government and media are run by zionists. They lie that 'terrorist' Palestinians have been attacking israel for 50 years, ignoring the daily, cowardly assasinations and attacks from israel, and that israel has the right to defend itself with jets and tanks but that Palestinians have no right to defend themselves. While bloody bodies of tiny children are blown apart by US supplied cluster-bombs, and entire neighborhoods are destroyed by massive bombs
That's what hapens to bullies. Harper kept attacking until he started to be kicking himself out of his position as prime minister. Now he has to deal with a coalition of his making. Imagine if the americans had this type of democracy during Bush's term.
Ignatieff @ 0:26
Agreed.
FRE1991DDIE 3 months ago
I would happily put 62% of my salary to taxes if I knew it would make round-the-year attack ads...attacking Dion right back to where he came from!
Dion...not a professor!
LivesForJihad 4 months ago
ok... i am a conservative but i still found this hiliarous and unfortunatly so very very true.
Greginda11 5 months ago 2
who are all of those liberal pppl?
k i recognize ignatief, trudea, rae, marthhallfindlayhodge, kennedy, but who r the other two?
inlovequestionmark 7 months ago
@inlovequestionmark Dominic LeBlanc is one of them
sonic2277 5 months ago
Now, if anyone is wondering about why this post has come down to the topic of one person's behaviour,.. Have a look back in this thread to about a month ago, and check out the thread containing one of the top comments above. If you read through the thread, you will see just one example on Youtube of the complete and utter disregard this guy has for people who post here with decency...and proper and civil respect for others..sticking to topic and being polite. Watch the frustration build......
paulfornasier 8 months ago
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I have a friend who is from Manitoba..Winnipeg area.. and is typical of so many there. Knows little to absolutely nothing about politics.. But if you ask who they vote for, they answer Conservative without hesitation. It's tradition that goes back many years. This person has no idea that things have changed..that the party has changed....and that you need to use your brain at all... But this is what brought Bush in....and keeps influencing Canadian politics heavily... Sad but very true....
paulfornasier 8 months ago
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paulfornasier 8 months ago
The PC's always had traditional farm support in the prairies. For most people, there wasn't debate about who to vote for...and it continues to this day. But the roots are in Dief and farm support in the west. Diefenbaker was a man of huge influence in Canadian political history.. Funny part is that much of the Prairies have gone to the NDP provincially...as they are the real support for farmers these days... But the fed thing continues...and Dief is still a huge influence federally..
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Actually an interesting point: Mikey keeps bringing up his comparison between Ed Broadbent and Jack Layton, saying Broadbent was a class act and Layton is a polar opposite. I wonder, has anyone put forward a comparison of Diefenbaker and Harper?
gricer1326 7 months ago
@gricer1326 I always mention the difference between Harper & Dief..but I've never seen a video about it. Did you try a search? Dief is a legend in Canada...I think there can be no comparison really. I see Harper fundamentally as an opportunist...and that doesn't serve anyone in the longterm. Dief stood for fundamental Canadian values. His speech about having a Bill of Rights is classic. This is the diff between neocons and social cons in the end. If you look at Bush..he stood for nothing..
paulfornasier 7 months ago
@paulfornasier I know that, just wondering if you posted one where he can see it immediately.
gricer1326 7 months ago
@paulfornasier Trivial anyway.
gricer1326 7 months ago
It's HIM. People are not sheep to that extreme..LOL. I had to put that qualifier in...hehe. The sheep instinct is still alive and well...but there would be alot of defense for him if he had any ground to stand on..LOL...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
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gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 Gotta love it when little Mikey here is reduced to complete and total defensiveness...and he keeps coming back for more punishment. Addiction to his ego crap has got him by the cojones..not that he likely has any. These arrogant guys are all girlyboys in reality. Too weak to handle anything positive in life that really requires strength of character. Just look at his behaviour earlier in this thread with people who were being extremely civil and patient with his ignorant comments.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Agreed! Pauly-boy--you are very "intellgent".
lolol
mikefastener 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Ohhhh pauly-boy. I am getting many e-mails from those on the left-side (polite, unlike you and grocer) asking me to stop posting. They say that when you respond to my posts (with insults, a lack of facts, lazy comments) that it takes their position back decades!!
As someone who supports both sides of the political spectrum, I truly believe I should just let you rant and temper tantrum alone--you will eventually tire--and stop hurting the left cause.
Make sense?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@paulfornasier You know what we've also got to laugh at? The typical school asshole who acts like the typical school asshole well into his fifties. We all know mikey - he can dish it out but he sure can't take it.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 I love it how we got him talking about being polite now....LOL... Mikey's infamous hypocrisy shining through again...LOL. All talk and no action...of course...hehe Reminds me of the way most of us look at our infamous bully and Mikey's god, ...Harper, these days....and the tack that the world is taking with bullies like Gaddafi... Is it any wonder that his pal Harper generates such a breed of supporters?....a gene pool that is likely getting quite inbred..hehe...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier I wonder, the rest of the world has had enough of their dicatorships and are actively fighting them, but thanks to people like mikey we just made ours more powerful. Mikey always talks about respect, he doesn't show any and wonders why he doesn't get any back. Harper makes it easy for fundamentalists to split their faith between their religion and the CPC.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@paulfornasier LOL, and I just read mikey's claim that he "supports both sides of the political spectrum". Sure....when can we expect to see some respect?
gricer1326 7 months ago
@paulfornasier Oh well--I love it when "wingers" get angry! (They show their hypocrisy regarding "diversity"!)
As Paul Martin said when he lost the election, "We may disagree; but, Canadian voters are always right".
Show some class and agree that voters were right to elect Mr. Harper.
I'll leave you all to your parent's basements. Me? I'll enjoy governing the country!
Hope you educate yourselves!
mikefastener 8 months ago
LOL..didn't even notice. Look at the top comments here....hehe. One is mine...but the other just appeared here. What more can I say........
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Oh wow......he's using the same line you rip on him with, except tries to make it a valid debating point. Gee, I guess he must be getting even more scared, I though he bottomed a couple of days ago!
gricer1326 8 months ago
I love the idea that Mikey's twisted ego (not creative...so not really imagination) has come up with...that majority politics is supposed to get attached to election of officals in ridings..and this is supposed to have something to do with PR or STF....LOL Rex Murphy's line applies here......"the product of an overripe imagination and an undernourished intellect".....LOL.. Maybe he can try the potty trainer...so the shit doesn't get all over the place....
paulfornasier 8 months ago
Mikey seems to have a funny definition of what an unanswered post is..... Also...a little note..is Mikey looking for attention?? This is quite obvious, of course.... I really don't think he has the ability to just express a civil opinion on it's own...without having to irritate someone..and get some self-absorbed ego gratification... Interesting also that he uses the same boring phrases over and over again....is this his idea of being clever??
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier He must be clever, he says so himself!
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Listen to Mikey...now he's talking about showing some class ...LOL. Oh ya.....after he fills pages earlier in this debate with his useless ego drivel. I have to laugh my ass off...cause he hit the nail on the head...the useless twit....about how these idiots on the far right think they can be prejudiced as hell and intolerant as hell.....and he expects us to show some tolerance ....... Hypocrisy??????????? Hypocrisy?????????? Hypocrisy??????????? Hypocrisy????????????
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Conservatives tend to think that an ethic of diversity, multiculturalism and toleration is akin to double-think. That is, they think we must be tolerant of all viewpoints and treat all viewpoints as equal, and if we don't treat their views as equal then we're being intolerant hypocrites. Thing is, a multicultural ethos does not mean agreeing on everything or that one has to accept two mutually exclusive points of view as equal in merit.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@paulfornasier For example, an ethic of toleration does not mean tolerating bigotry. On the contrary, tolerating bigotry is exclusive of an ethic of tolerance and multiculturalism. What we're talking about is celebrating diversity within the legal context of freedom and equality for all persons, and that affronts to that legal context MUST be opposed.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Have to agree with you there...that tolerance is meant for tolerating what we consider to be positive contribution...culture, language, civilly expressed views and so on. Tolerance is not to be applied to negative behaviour. If we operate for the good of all, then intolerance is NOT to be accepted. This is why we have the Charter of RIghts and Freedoms and a human rights tribunal. Both Diefenbaker and Trudeau were staunch supporters of a Bill of Rights and made that very clear.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven One of the big problems in my books, is that we have gone....as Judy Rebick actually states...from the Progressive Conservatives....to very neo-conservative and intolerant right wing parties. Began first in the US..and moved over into Canada in the Reagan / Mulroney era. We stood more independently of the US previously with Dief, Stanfield, Clark..and prior... The socially progressive part has moved to the LIberal Party..and the Conservative element has gone more extreme...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Of course, Conservatives don't simply misunderstand an ethic of diversity and multiculturalism. They have a vested interest in exploiting that misunderstanding. They - who have no tolerance for views different from their own - want to silence discussion and dissent. So they pull this straw man out and say "you're disagreeing with me and you don't like me acting like an ass towards you, so you're being intolerant of me!! Hypocrite!" It's utterly disingenuous.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven The US has always been more intolerant and more paranoid about forms of govt different than it's own....and the same intolerance translates into religion so often, as we can see how absurd the American right can get these days...the infighting is hilarous these days.. I would say it began to take hold in rural Canada where fundamentalist religion is predominant. We never tolerated this kind of crap in the diefenbaker years. He would never have allowed such extremism.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Hey...check out "blabbermouth.wmv"...a video clip from the Honeymooners...with Jackie Gleason. This is how I feel in this stupid situation with Mikey here...LOL...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier You got to laugh when someone spells, "people's intellgence" incorrectly!!!
Oh pauly-boy...you made my day!
mikefastener 8 months ago
Here's a classic post to Mikey... "2 more people have wrote me telling me to block you as you apparently have a tendency of cyperstalking people in order to get them to agree with you. Nice thing is, most of them are from the right & we have some pretty good discussions with facts/examples & they are not scary wierdos.You don't debate, you repeat yourself, & don't use any facts... You annoy & actually scare people, this is not normal behaviour, you seriously need mental health attention now!"
paulfornasier 8 months ago 2
@paulfornasier Folks--looks like pauly-boy's emotional problems have resurfaced. Anyone-look below at his 5 consecutive unanswered postings! He makes up supposed "friends" sending him e-mails and gets angry when facts are presented that he cannot address. Again, anyone looking at the level of his insults (as opposed to my clever re-torts) can see the "issues" he must be having.
Pauly-boy, I've told you--good luck in that journey of yours!
Hope I helped you.
mikefastener 8 months ago
Thumbs up if you think mikefastener is a slimy debater!
paulfornasier 8 months ago 15
Mikey's line about repeating history...and doing the same shit over and over again..is hilarious. If he could learn from his own statements.....might be nice......but wishful thinking of course........LOL
paulfornasier 8 months ago
sometimes i wish canada is like the USA in econimi
pokemonfan431 9 months ago
jcjccjcj@bs.com I sincerely hope that even the died in the wool Conservatives. Liberals, NDP will research and educate themselves on the history, past, present and future platforms and promises. We have given these Partys too much power. They no longer feel responsible to consult with Canadian Citizens or to be held accountable to Canadians. These ,especiall leaders, keep telling us what THEY are going to do. Not what the Canadian People and Country want or need. Pay attention needs of us.
charleneosland 9 months ago
jcjccjcj@bs.com Harper is a bully. What happened to the huge surplus of money that Harper inherited ? Health care less,junkies,homeless,mentally ill, gays, women. All reduced funding from "Harper Government"? Increase, inc tax,CPP,HST,sewage,water,recycling,paid ahead on purchase, bottles, tetrapaks, electronics, etc. What about Fixed Income. OAG, CPPD increase approx. $2 in January. Own home, propertax. Less avail, income. Seniors, Disables. Live poorly at bes. Shame on You!
charleneosland 9 months ago
@charleneosland I completely agree! It is disgusting that the lie-berals and NDP demand money for their campaigning while other groups get reduced funding! Mr. Harper has promised to stop these left-wing demanded handouts to political parties and that is why I am voting for him on May 2nd.
And you?....
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener What?????????? Harper already has tons of money, and he wants to abolish the vote = $ law so that the other parties are starved for cash. Research before you act buddy! Jesus!
stunlord 9 months ago
@stunlord Oh, so easy to destroy your comment my silly friend!
"other parties are starved for cash"--I guess that means that Canadians do not want to support them!
I know I made you look foolish here with my debating skills--a natural gift, I guess.
Hope I educated you.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener wow. no you did not. i hope you and any kids you have die.
stunlord 9 months ago
@stunlord Wow! What a silly response from a "lefty" who supposedly cares about all children.
(Really shows the hypocrisy of left-wingers and how thin their veneer of sincerity is--agreed?)
Guess I made you look foolish again.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener I'm not left-wing, and I never said I cared about children. I feel sorry for you.
stunlord 9 months ago
@stunlord You are indeed a strange one!
Maybe you can find a weaker debating opponent.
Good luck on your journey.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener dude you been listening to too much Adler or something, vote subsidy is a democratic way of funding the different parties, next step is to get proportional elections.
KENRJ71 9 months ago
@KENRJ71 Clown, you been listening to too much CBC. (A disgusting waste of money that I am forced to support, BTW--I don't believe you have to financially support Adler.)
Let the people decide on this gravy train for politicians--interesting the Mr. Harper is not a "pig at the trough" like the others, isn't it?
Oh well, character does shine through.
Agreed?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener no I don't agree, I've been listening to Conservative attack adds for 3 years non stop they are awash in money, that money still ultimately comes from us in the form of profits business makes off us. Say Shaw and Rogers charge a little extra on the cable bill so they can spend money buying the government that will make CRTC look out for there interests instead of that of Canadians. I think the vote subsidy is a democratic way of controlling the propaganda.
KENRJ71 9 months ago
@KENRJ71 Love your conspiracy theories! (Is the aluminum foil hat you wear a little tight? You, know the one you wear to stop the gov't reading your brain waves!)
Following your argument, then you must be disgusted at the CBC (a front for any left-winger--whether liberal or NDP) and that we are forced to pay for that propaganda.
Right?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener dude why you so worried about the CBC personally I don't watch much TV I do like some of there stuff though Rick Mercer, Airfarce, laughs etc. I do listen to a lot of radio the CBC is usually quite boring the religious economic right wingers are more entertaining and easily outdo the leftwing propaganda. I think the CBC is OK but doesn't need to have local broadcasters all over just a cable channel and some funding for documentaries and artists comedians would be ok for me.
KENRJ71 9 months ago
@KENRJ71 How much does the CBC cost each year? Enforced cost BTW!
"why so worried"? ... why should I pay the money through my taxes?
easy question, why is the answer so difficult for some?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener
Although @KENRJ71 has a little too much conspiracy in there. The conservatives did break election spending laws in 2008.
And talk about conspiracies? The reason we fund the CBC is to promote decent quality, canadian content. It also ensures that their content is far less soaked in ads and product placement than most things. Take CBC Radio for one, completely devoid of ads. And yes, like everything the CBC has some bias. But it seems to me that it isn't too extreme.
Ardnived 8 months ago
@Ardnived I agree with you a "little too much conspiracy in there"---my understanding is that the Conservatives have been CHARGED with breaking election spending laws, not CONVICTED. (Amazing how left-wingers who would be the first to defend someone in a similar situation condemn Mr Harper's party--certain hypocrisy of the highest level.)
The CBC and you don't think the left-wing bias isn't too extreme? What a surprise!
How about letting Canadians decide what to watch? It's called, "choice".
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
Assuming that I am an idiot is not conducive to good dialogue.
There is choice. If you want you can watch Global or CTV.
Ardnived 8 months ago
@Ardnived Uhhhhhh.....I have no choice but to have my tax dollars fund the CBC (Communist Broadcasting Company).
Amazing, you left-wingers--you would have thought after Mr. Harper's incredible victory last week that you would understand that Canadians have figured out your weird views of the world.
Hope I educated you.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
The Communist Broadcasting Company? Wow. There goes all your credibility in my view. Do you even understand what communism is? How the hell could the CBC be promoting Communism.
But let me point something out for you. We Are The Majority. 60% of Canadians voted for "left-wing" parties.
Ardnived 8 months ago
@Ardnived My silly, silly friend. You never addressed this simple concept called, "choice".
How about we not being forced to pay for something as ridiculous as a left wing mouth piece for parties that were rejected by Canadians last week?
Your left-wing party comment makes you look so foolish.
The lie-berals themselves call the party a centralist party. Are you calling them liars?
Sorry if I embarrassed you with my superior debating skills
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mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
As I said, you can make the choice to watch Global or CTV if you like. The thing is I don't view CBC as a "left-wing mouthpiece"
And about the liberals, no I am not calling them liars, I said "left-wing" in quotations because that is how you seemed to be classifying them. Rejected by some Canadians yes, but not most.
But if you think the conservatives are center you are severely misguided. There is nothing wrong with being left or right wing, but conservatives are not center.
Ardnived 8 months ago 2
@Ardnived Oh may--I love it when I out debate left-wingers (100% success BTW).
Are you saying I have a choice on whether my taxes go to funding the CBC? Please tell me further details!
Glad I called you out on your "lumping" of lie-berals into left-winger groups and I appreciate you admitting your error.
The definition of center "floats" in the political spectrum and it certainly appears that the Conservatives are center now. (Check the election result if you need.)
Hope I helped you.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
Oh I apologize I thought you meant choice in what you watch. If you want choice for where to spend the money I guess you'd need to vote for someone who thinks that ending funding to the CBC is a good idea.
It was not an error, it was intentional. Not that it is an insult or anything, there is nothing wrong with being left-wing.
Center has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is based on the party's ideology and platform, and conservatives are definitely right.
Out of space.
Ardnived 8 months ago 2
@Ardnived "Out of space"....probably space cadet is more like it!!!
Easy question (I know you will not answer since left-wingers hate admitting the truth).
Do you agree that I should not fund the CBC if I don't view it?
(Don't run away as most left-wingers do--I am enjoying winning this discussion!)
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
Well I can definitely see where you are coming with with that, but our governmental system just doesn't really allow for that kind of choice. If we started allowing people to pick and choose where their tax dollars go, that would likely just cause the system to collapse, and would largely make MPs pointless.
Certainly, I would personally prefer my taxes didn't go to jets we don't need. Perhaps to some new naval ships built-in Canada, but we can't just make those choices.
So no.
Ardnived 8 months ago 2
@Ardnived Actually a poor comparison, my friend.
Jets are defending my country. The CBC is trying to spread a left-wing dogma across the airwaves.
Clear now?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
That's a matter of opinion. I don't think the CBC is doing that, and I do not think that the Jets are defending our country. Here are some reasons:
The army specifically told Harper that those are not the Jets they want.
Last year he cut the navy's coastal patrols in half, despite having one of the world's longest coasts.
Most importantly, no one would be stupid enough to make a frontal attack on Canada. Terrorism might be the only real threat, and in that case we should fund CSIS.
Ardnived 8 months ago 3
@Ardnived I completely agree with YOU!
Let us take the $1.3billion we spend on the CBC each year and give it to the navy.
Thanks--(I finally got a left-winger to understand simple facts.)
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener
Thats not what I said. Not even in the slightest.
All your arguments essentially seem to consist of avoiding all the points I raise, and then attempting to twist other things I say to agree with your comments. And honestly, it's despicable.
Ardnived 8 months ago 12
@Ardnived I agree about despicable debating points. It seems that you are very left-wing in your approach while I favour a more neutral, Canada based viewpoint. We saw in the last election how your view was rejected by Canadians.
I guess the best advice I have for you is get over it, the left wingers lost and Canada won!
Hope you take this simple advice.
You are welcome.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Uh, MOST Canadians voted against the Conservatives. MOST Canadians voted for the NDP, Liberals and Greens. MOST Canadians did not reject the left wing. The way our system works, unfortunately, means that the Conservatives rule without the democratic consent of the majority of Canadians.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Cory you are poorly informed. MOST Canadians did not vote for Trudeau or Chretien.. (Did you post your complaints about them?) To single out Mr. Harper's Conservatives shows your inherit bias. The last PM to receive a majority of Canadian voters was Mr. Mulroney.
Glad I could educate you.
Your next post is to demand that Jack Laydown immediately give up any seat where the NDP did not get over 50% of the vote. Anything else would be hypocrisy...right?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Gee mike, I wasn't BORN yet when Turdeau came to power, and I was in grade 10 in 1993. Why don't you think for a second before posting tiresome rhetorical questions like "where were you...?"
Howabout this: maybe my next post will be to support proportional representation, so that each party, regardless of stripe, only wields the amount of influence they actually carry amongst Canadians. Seems fair to me at least, and I'm glad I could inform you about it.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Sorry you know so little of history. (As they say, those that don't know history, are doomed to repeat it!--look it up if you must.)
Canada does not need some crazy formula representation like they have in Italy where nothing ever gets done.
The voters of BC decisively voted down PR for provincial elections. It would not do any better in the rest of Canada.
I'll stick with our British heritage--worked for hundreds of years.
Agreed?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Why do you think I don't know history because I think our electoral system is flawed? Funny thing is, I'm looking to NOT repeat history by changing it. You're content to doom us to a system of "beneign dictatorship" (Harper's own words, in 1996) because it has supposedly "worked" for 100's of years. When a party with 39.6% of the vote can get a majority to ram through their policies without opposition, and my vote doesn't count because of where I happen to live, the system sucks.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Sorry Cory--you are confused. I quote history to you and you come back (semi-outraged) "I wasn't born yet or I was a kid!". Certainly indicating you claim no knowledge of the events I describe. Then I say, "too bad you don't know history", you replay "why do you think I don't know history". Practice your debating/logica skills a bit more. (You may wish to take a course!)
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paulfornasier 8 months ago
@mikefastener You actually appear to be the confused one, mike. What you did was ask why I wasn't outraged about the Trudeau or Cretien false majorities, and that my lack of outrage was evidence of a liberal bias. I replied that I was not even alive for Trudeau and not old enough to be politically involved for Cretien, thus negating your entire point that I am speaking merely from a liberal bias. You may wish to review your own comments, as you seem to forget what you even said.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@mikefastener Also, you apparently show little knowledge of the modern world: there are 80 some countries that use some form of PR and Italy is an outlier. If you're going to use them for an example of how it doesn't work, I might as well use Zimbabwe and Rwanda as examples of how First Past the Post doesn't work. Let's take a look at Northern Europe, where it works just fine.
But, of course, you're just for the current system because your guys are in charge. Typical partisanship.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
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@CoryTheRaven You did not address my very relevant point (because you may not have an answer or because it weakens your position)....why did the voters of BC vote PR down?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Actually, in the 2005 referendum a Single Transferable Vote system was voted for by 57.7% of the population. In the 2009 one, that particular itteration of PR was voted down. Why? According to the 2005 results and polls conducted prior to the 2009 one, it seems that BC voters supported the system in general. The 2009 vote was marred by an electoral boundary controversy that appears to have dogged the whole campaign., so it doesn't seem to be a shot against PR as such.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Question: (based on your previous answers--its likely this will bother you and you will ignore it)
Are you like the Quebec Separatists? Keep trying for a, "yes" answer and then saying that one yes answer settles the question? Rather than perhaps the previous 3 "no" answers that preceded it?
Interesting question, don't you think?
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener I see that you have no real reply to what I said, so you wish to redirect. Very well. The problem with your uninteresting question is that there is not just one form of PR. A vote in BC marred by electioral controversy is not equivalent to the whole of Canada voting on a different form of PR altogether.
Of course you chose the scary Separatists instead of people like the Suffragettes, who kept advocating for women despite being turned down repeatedly. Such bias you have!
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven And I have no real reply to you. I see that rather than responding to the Separatist question (a real and contempary issue in today's Canada) you prefer to cite an example from 80 years ago such as the Suffragettes. (Certainly interesting how you now have a new found knowledge of history—something you claimed not to have in an earlier post.)
I suggest you seek a weaker debating opponent--you've certainly have little to offer in a debate against me.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Of course you have no real reply (which, frankly, isn't anything new). I just did a total end-run around your attempt to consign me to the scary Separatists by invoking an analogy that is actually salient to the issue of voter rights and representation. The fight for PR is far more like the Suffragette movement. They fought so that women could vote, and PR advocates fight so that all votes count. And like the Suffragettes, PR advocates will keep fighting for election reform.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Interesting Cory--I did a total end-run around you by easily demonstrating your hypocrisy. I describe a contemporary event--you refuse to answer. I describe historical events--you claim little knowledge of them. Now you claim an intimate knowledge of a movement that occurred over 80 years ago.
Unfortunately, for you, I have excellent debating skills (a talent since high school). I have met your type of games before.
Good luck-seek a weaker debating opponent-you may even win!
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Oh mike, don't you know that when you have to tell someone that you're a good debater, you've already lost? Show, don't tell.
So far, all you've shown is that you can't remember what you actually said from post-to-post and that you like to misalign people's views to make them seem scarier. Those aren't even legitimate debate tactics, but a string of logical fallacies and bad faith arguments.
I think you should take your ball and run home, like you said you would.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago 2
@CoryTheRaven Oh cory, don't you know that when you have to explain what you really said (called backtracking) you've lost the debate?
Get some more experience my friend, take a course.
You'll do fine.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Well, first of all I didn't have to explain what *I* said. I didn't backtrack on anything and this criticism doesn't even apply. Secondly, this is the second time now that you've resorted to "am not, you are" as a debate tactic: you claimed to do an end-run around me after I did an end-run around you, and now you're doing this "don't you know" question. It's hard for me to take seriously your recommendation that I take a course when you're copying everything I say!
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Interesting to note that almost all the recent leaders have advocated for PR at one point or another..... Could this actually add validity to the concept (could that be??)?? Are they all BAD people because they did so? LOL Gotta love someone who contradicts himself every step of the way. That poor little ego gets in the way of getting anywhere close to rational and logical debate.. Do we get the sense of when someone is desperate to protect their fragile ego?? Of course...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@mikefastener I also see that you want to keep on about my supposed lack of historical knowledge, despite my having explained to you what you actually said. I think that if you can't even keep your own words straight, you probably should take your ball and go home. I'm sure there must be opponents out there who are more down at your level.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Again interesting--your "having explained what you actually said". You certainly sound like a liberal of NPD politician!!! I'm dropping this--how about we say that you, "won" so you don't throw a temper tantrum like you did with your parents when you didn't get your way?
We won't see PR for Canada; but, you keep "tilting at windmills"--look it up if you need to.
I'm sure we can both agree that Canadians are glad to have a stable Conservative, political neutral gov't.
Thanks.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener If I sound like a LIB/NDP politician, it must only be because the CONS can't keep what they say straight either. That's not suprising, considering that Harper himself argued for PR back in 1996. I guess he flip-flopped once the system worked for him. Where are those true Reform Party types now? But we have come full circle. So far as I know, the 60.4% of Canadians who don't support the CONS are not happy about having an effective CON dictatorship.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven cory--you lose again! Considering that Layton argued for PR; yet, he refuses to drop any of his MP's who got less than 50% of the vote in their respective ridings, says it all. I see that old Liz May is similar; however, now she has had a rethink since she personally got less than 50%. (BTW...Mr. Harper achieved a resounding majority in his riding!!!)
Oh well, look below the left-wing wingnut distortions and you'll find the truth waiting.
Just a piece of advice.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Yes, Layton and May are claiming support for PR, and so did Harper, and I will hold them all to that. Unlike some people who let a party tell them how to think, I believe what I believe and I vote how I vote based on my own opinion. I'm not loyal to any one party or another. All of them need to be kept in line.
My advice to you is to stop listening to the distortions of any party, left or right, and look for the truth. It would improve you greatly as a person and a debater.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Oh well, you won't respond to questions that challenge you faith beliefs (they must be faith, because you have so few facts).
Your parents may have put up with your tantrums, but I can't.
Good luck in your journey.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener Interesting that you should accuse me of throwing a tantrum when you're the one who has been trying to accuse, misdirect, and misrepresent. Ad hominems, bad faith arguments, red herrings... it seems that there is no logical fallacy unused in your attempts to avoid talking rationally about a subject. As I said before, I think your instinct to get out of a conversation with me, take your ball and run home is a good one. You should actually stick with it this time.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven This is classic mikefastener logic (sic). The best thing is to not respond to his comments directly, but rather get enough people to agree with you that he gets scared and runs away.
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 HOly shit. Mikey is rising in the top comments ratings... Took a big jump today..LOL. The truth will set you free..on Youtube anyway...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Is it him or our comments about him?
gricer1326 8 months ago
@gricer1326 One thing I bet Mikey will never realize is that he is seeing a mirror of the crap he has been doing for years on Youtube. His crap is absolutely everywhere in political postings. Constant constant putdowns and berating of people's intellgence, views, abilties, efforts, and the list goes on....and meanwhile constantly trying to shore up that fragile ego that relies on the bullying of others to have any sense of self worth... This kind of ego is actually dangerous..if given power.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier And he always tell others to "look in a mirror". LMAO
gricer1326 8 months ago
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paulfornasier 8 months ago
@gricer1326 And funny...Mikey has this delusion that his so-called "lefties" and whatever other derogatory remarks he uses for such people, actually have the desire to message him...LOL. I must say...I have to absolutely refrain myself from personal insults here.....becasuse of the absurdity of this person's behaviour....and his absolute disregard of people's decency. He hurls personal insults at every turn..justifying in his narrow mind that it's a valid way of communicating his empty ideas..
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Is it just me or did he just tell another one of his stories, unknowingly destroying whatever shreds of credibility he might have had? Honestly "I am getting many e-mails from those on the left-side asking me to stop posting". That's not a helpful argument by any stretch (well, helpful to us). I think we can declare ourselves winners here.
gricer1326 8 months ago
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@gricer1326 I love it......now Mikey is having serious delusions that he is actually being reponded to from multiple sources on Youtube....hmmmmm... Mikey seems to be messaging other people who never say anything to him....hmmmm.....funny behaviour... The only thing I've really noticed is that the postings outlining Mikey's obnoxious so-called "debating" is getting more attention... Hmmm...and let's see.....has Mikey said ANYTHING AT ALL that is worth responding to anyway?? NOT!! .....LOL
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@gricer1326 What still boggles my mind is that we are talking about a 55 year old man..... His lack of maturity is spread out for all to see here......and he keeps adding more. We get to see how addicted he is to his negative behaviour.....and all his twisted mental meanderings to try to keep it going..... The web is unfolding...LOL. Actually ...an interesting critique of the attitude behind the extreme intolerance exhibited by these people....and the danger of giving any power to them...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Too late for that. One word: Clown. Oh wait, two words: OBNOXIOUS clown. Over to you Mike. I want you to thrill and delight me further with more of your debating skills. I am in awe. Please shine some your iridescent light my way!
CarletonUOnline 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Holy crap, little Mikey's getting riled and making even less sense than usual. Poor poor mIkey eh... Time for him to suck on his pacifier...hie Mommy will give him a timeout...and put him in his room and he'll calm down... Such a fragile little ego... Good point there, Cory, about people who need to constantly say they are good at anything. As if anyone gives a shit....LOL....another ego soother...LOL... I don't think this so-called political fool can help himself...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Everyone, I received an e-mail where pauly-boy admitted to someone that he gets angry at my posts because he has to keep "looking up words" that I use and he doesn't understand!
Pauly--if I get my vocabulary to you to one (or at most) two syllables--will that help you?
(Sorry--about the use of "vocabulary" and "syllables" above--look them up if you must.)
I now understand your anger!
mikefastener 8 months ago
@paulfornasier Given how short a memory mike seems to have and how his arguments seem to change from moment to moment, I assume he's used to partisan political flipflopping. His concern, like those of most politicians, is the good of his party, not the good of the country. That would also explain his apparent ambivalence to logical consistency and good faith argumentation. He's in it to win it for the party, and truth or virtue be damned.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Have to agree with you fully. Personally, I don't think he even knows what he's doing. If it was for the good of the party, It would be done with proper rational arguments. forethought, and civility. Have you ever seen a politician come to your door and berate you for your political leanings, ideas or judgements? Not likely...I don't think it's a recommended style of communication for increasing party following. I just get that it's the product of weak ego..and truly not much else.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Let me expand on that last line.. It's the product of ignorance, weak ego, arrogance, dogmatism, self-absorption...and plain stupidity......all the qualities of the typical schoolyard bully...except this is a 55 year old man... I wouldnt' be surprised if there is more to be added to the list..that we haven't quite seen clearly yet... In his own words...these are big words for him....so I don't expect him to understand a single thing I write. Gave up on that long ago...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Hey, do you remember George Bush's obliviousness to his impact on Iraq, when he was interviewed after the Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at him? Quite hilarious..but is there a connection here?? Of course, I don't believe that Bush really believed his own response...but many have said that It becomes an ego reflex to lie when the truth is too unbearable to accept..and I think that is more the truth about Bush....and probably with Mikey here too..still playing his childhood games.
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Hey, if good old Mikey really wants to be shamed....I could post links to all the great responses to his infamous posts ...long before I ever came upon his trash on Youtube, ranging back over the past few years.... Not hard to find his trash...when he's a trash troll.. They say that if the vast majority of people believe a certain thing about you, it is more than likely to be true....as the intuitive ability is very similar in all of us. It only gets tainted by fixed beliefs..
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Hey Cory, have a look at the video: Judy Rebick Comments On Canadian Election. It's an extensive debate that 3 of us had,...with Mikey's occasional stupidity thrown in. Have a look and you'll see how I normally debate...and what happens when Mr. Buffoon steps in....and what a fool he makes of himself. It was actually quite a good debate...and it didn't follow partisan lines at all. Mikey looked the fool of course...as we were debating with an Albertan..and truth trumped the C's
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@paulfornasier I jumped in a little bit. But yeah, there is a world of difference between the constructive debate being held by your three and the shouts from the peanut gallery. Yeesh!
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven So, Mikey's starting to plead for mercy,,,,,,,, Sign of weakness that we always knew was there anyway. Always knew his crap was just the product of a weak ego.......and the desire to shore it up by dumping on others... Mikey won't govern anything but the wiping of his own filthy butt....if can he can govern that. Probably stinks more than most people's also... Nice to have him tasting it for once...hope it tastes good for him... Attention whore?? I think that applies here...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven In addition, Cory, one of the big reasons for the 2009 result was the fact that many people did not understand STV at all...and so they didn't vote for it. It was never broadly explained in a clear way to voters. The 20% difference between 2005 and 2009 had to have been affected by something significant..and it wasn't about rejection of PR...especially as people were already starting to get quite pissed about Gordo.. Straight PR would be su much easier for voters to understand..
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Hey Cory, don't bother with this dingbrain. He listens to NOTHING. He is loathed as a troll on political posts througout Youtube, Don't ever think that he will debate civilly, fairly, or with ANY intelligence at all. He is a total internet ass, and nothing less. I can clearly say that he just does this to soothe his fragile ego...when he isn't sucking on his pacifier to do the same... Dont even bother...my recommendation....
paulfornasier 8 months ago 2
@paulfornasier I've noticed that he likes to talk down to people and tends to forget what he even said from post to post.
CoryTheRaven 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven That's putting it mildly....
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven Notice how he avoids the issue of his misinformation and outright lies... This is his idea of being clever....when the only person he is fooling is himself. When the light is shone, he just tries another tack to try to "win".......something else to soothe his ego... THis guy is best left to rot in his own crap...as many have already said. Honestly...it's so easy to find posts of people dissing him for his insolence and self-absorption...
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@CoryTheRaven The only thing decisive about mikefastener is his stupidity...sorry for bluntness, but it's necesary sometimes...when people do the same stupid shit over and over and over again....
paulfornasier 8 months ago
@mikefastener I advise you to actually read leftist arguments and understand both sides of the debate. Unless you're just trolling everybody, you really have no idea what you are talking about.
hoopwizz 4 months ago
@Ardnived BTW...love it when I call left-wingers out and they are left with egg on their faces.
mikefastener 8 months ago
@mikefastener What is this, Oceania?
gricer1326 8 months ago
The sad thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Conservatives actually DID release an ad like this.
ngarcia103 9 months ago
The sad thing is that none of them are leaders of Canada, the country created in 1867 by the British North America Act 1867 (UK). There is no parliament of Canada. There has not been a parliament of Canada since 1904 (maybe 1901?). The parliament of Canada is defined in the BNA as a 3-part entity that comprises Queen Victoria, an upper house (senate) and a lower house (commons). There can be no parliament without queen Victoria. See my channel and whatisknown (dot com) video page. It's all fake.
patthespark 9 months ago
@geoffck6969 so you like ruining Canada international reputation
TMNTPIZZA 9 months ago
Aren't the Conservatives themselves a coalition? (Progresive Conservatives & Canadian Alliance)
ngarcia103 9 months ago
@ngarcia103 Yeah they were hoping you forgot all about that one. Peter McKay promised the Progressive Conservatives that he would not merge with the Canadian Alliance under Stephen Harper? And what did McKay do once he became leader?
3baxcb 9 months ago
"3baxcb": I wonder who would be in power if they never merged?
ngarcia103 9 months ago
i love their current attack ads about ignatief and taxes.
zeldafreak71 9 months ago
I love MY Conservative Party. We DO attack and we ARE relentless because we are RIGHT! Right on the Economy. Right on Crime. Right on Taxes. Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada - Right for Canadians.
geoffck6969 9 months ago
@geoffck6969 You know, if you were to put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, the blood splatter would form a CPC logo on the wall behind you.. a party man, right to the end..
magritte128 9 months ago
Just in case anybody was curious, ever parliamentary country in the world has coalition governments. In fact the Conservative party of Canada is a coalition between the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party, though the Harper government is using the 'coalition scare tactic' as it is the only line of defense they have against the accusations of corruption and contempt
xxYetterxx 9 months ago
@xxYetterxx The conservative party is a new party created by the merging of reform and PC. And just because other countries have coalition governments doesn't mean it's as efficient a way to run the country as if we had a majority government by what ever party.
zeldafreak71 9 months ago
conservatives=bunch of pussies
TairyMrHesticles 10 months ago 2
@TairyMrHesticles
Liberals are dicks then.
00Billy 10 months ago
@00Billy ya more manly
TairyMrHesticles 10 months ago
@TairyMrHesticles
Shows that Tories have been f8cked by the LPC for 50 yrs.
00Billy 10 months ago
harper has a long memory. he is only doing to the liberals, what they did to him while he was in opposition. the only difference is, harper is better at it and will be relentless. these days, it sucks to be a liberal. get used to it,
123dacat 11 months ago
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@123dacat Um, you haven't been looking at the news have you?
BoredomCorner 10 months ago
@BoredomCorner i will state this again to you.... it sucks being a liberal. get used to it. maybe you should stop watching the news, which has very little understanding of how people feel and vote. this is evident by the results of the present election. harpers revenge is complete..... the demise of the liberal party of canada .if the new democratic party of quebec decides to treat him the same way as that of the liberals, then they will be next on his hit list. again, get used to it.
123dacat 9 months ago
@123dacat "Harper's Revenge"?? Steve-O didn't do in the Liberals, he didn't need to. Try choosing a leader and creating a platform that appeals to REAL Canadians, not to pompous, Liberal EGOs.
Sweet jeebies you Libs go from CROOKED (Martin), to BOMBASTIC (Dion), to WHO-THE-F**K-THOUGHT-HE-WAS-A-GOOD-IDEA? (Iggy) and then you can't even own-up to your own idiocy.
Get over yourself!
FatFred2U 8 months ago
@123dacat
If that is the case, this isn't democracy.
Ardnived 8 months ago
@123dacat
Perfectly spoken.
epicplaytime 9 months ago
Conservative Party of Canada: The truth is, we don't like most people.
xTachibana 11 months ago 7
Honestly if I felt the urge to vote, I'd look for the party that ran smeer campaigns the least, politics are depressing to begin with.
kt08789 11 months ago
The politics here in Canada makes me feel apathetic...X(
BigTimage 1 year ago
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AH HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
pittsky 1 year ago
it has worked cause they are still in power, dion is not leader and ignetiaff won't be soon either. At least they are keeping scum from power.
dezza2001 1 year ago
In the interests of fairness, does anyone remember the '04 and '06 attack ads from the Liberals? They didn't so much create a caricature of Harper, as the Tories did with Dion, but literally tried to capitalize on every stereotypical Canadian fear (guns, abortion, etc.) by making things up about Harper about which there was no evidence. Perhaps the Tories distorted things about Dion's ideas, but they at least had some basis in fact.
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
@SnorkelNose Ask everyone victimized by the G20, how false those ads are -- and keep in mind that Harper IS influenced by the Christian Right.
BoredomCorner 10 months ago
wouldn't put it past them...
sniperdude12a 1 year ago
lol sounds like smtg they'd do xD
zinazina11 2 years ago 8
Too bad it's not a real ad.
hdang555 2 years ago
Sounds like something they DID do! Like when Ignatief got in as liberal leader...
ryfin2000 2 years ago
I CERTAINLY HOPE SOMEONE POSTS THIS ARROGANT PIECE OF CRAP - THIS CROWING -- WHEN IGNATIEFF WINS THE ELECTION!!!
Get that bastard out of the PMO.
Just look at that. And then his polls went south. Poooor Stephen!!
universalradio 2 years ago
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The Canadian government and media are run by zionists. They lie that 'terrorist' Palestinians have been attacking israel for 50 years, ignoring the daily, cowardly assasinations and attacks from israel, and that israel has the right to defend itself with jets and tanks but that Palestinians have no right to defend themselves. While bloody bodies of tiny children are blown apart by US supplied cluster-bombs, and entire neighborhoods are destroyed by massive bombs
JayChrst 3 years ago
And I meant to say constitutional monarchy as well
derkaderka58 3 years ago
That's what hapens to bullies. Harper kept attacking until he started to be kicking himself out of his position as prime minister. Now he has to deal with a coalition of his making. Imagine if the americans had this type of democracy during Bush's term.
blackacadian 3 years ago 16