to the people asking if you can learn Wing Chun over the internet, no, you are best off finding an instructor/trainer although it is possible to pick it up by watching it in action, but you would need to be an experienced martial artist or fighter...
@qiankundanuoyi1 I heard that it was founded by a women who was inlove with a man she wasnt supposed to love and she picked up a fighting technique while watching a preying mantis fight off a rodent, well, that's what i was told
my friend train wt for one and a half year...i think 2-5 times per week....he is not the best (street)fighter but he say with muay thai he can himself better defending...
i think muay thai is better for people they will learn fast some goods techniques to protect himself...
by wt its so taht you must learn years over years to definding yourself and 90 % of the people the will lear wt break off sooner or later...
when my english for you not good enough...sorry guys im from germany and i 15...
wc is the best. the problem is there is only a hand full of real wing chun fighters out there. the other 4 million do not no wc. so you realy should not go on you tube and perform. cos it ispeople like you her are giving wc a bad name.but what ever makes you happy
mate i do boxing if you had your hands down like that sorry to burst your buble but you would be knock out. by any boxer. do you self a big favor go and have a fight on the street.
@xXGoggiXx When u say something please give your background especially if u are not conviced.Not bad to tell your opinion but people will call u stupid.I Train in wc for almost 7 years.I had won muai tai and had lost..What does mean?Anything..
I know, every time a style loses everybody says "the problem is the fighter, he is an idiot" etc etc.. but in this case the kick boxing guy really sucks.
The point is that him makes a lot of shitty (slow) moves and nothing that a real fighter should do. And i don't mean a champion..I mean anyone who is trained and who has some experience in the ring.
People will never see the difference between the names.....THE TRADITIONAL ART IS CALLED WING CHUN AND THE EUROPEAN STYLE VING TSUN.AND THEN YOU GO TELLING EACH OTHER YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR REAL.
kickboxer sucked, not working angles, not setting up kicks , backing straight up, flat footed, no combos, no clinch work, and letting his sparring buddy set the pace but on the good side finally a good video for wing chun.
It's not really a good match. The socalled kickboc=xer ,doesnt have at all the basics of kickboxing and he's lacking experience and spirit. So we have to see if he fights another fighter. I combine the the best of WT and kick boxing to be more efficient. Its not only this or that its who you are fighting with.
for what I can see, the WT guy moved inside the KB guy's area right after the kick making him loose his balance in most of the kicks (like in 0:33) so I dont think he was that bad at kickboxing...well, probably.
@lostharper - This guy is extremely bad and may have had 3 months of training tops. Take a look at the video below and compare the two.
/watch?v=Lx4WeGm08Pk
These guys might be going 50% of power and speed. There are other great Muay-thai sparring clips and then there are actual fights from Coban or Buakaw.
/watch?v=M3R4xtjl5b4
Teaser:
/watch?v=73Avmr00W2Q
Muay-Thai is an on entirely different level than most other arts.
hahah this guy fights jsut like my friend and i own him standing up and on the ground. the guy with his hands down so i can do a nice jab to the face.not to mention hes easy to take down. but then again thats my friend not this guy.
Im no wt'ler nor a muay thay'ler, but i think the prolem in tournament wt is to get rid of the distance. I never saw a fight where wt is really dominatig or winning...xD
WCs about real life & death combat. In a real fight, the attacker is hoppin mad & pressing forwards.(not jabbin & dodgin) WC can & does press too, but as seen, it does so safely, with less risks. A blind rush in, can be fatal. The stop kicks hes using here, are just play. In reality, using full power, they will break the attackers knees/shins.
I'll say the guys hands are a bit off center and not so true to form. But it is a good example of technique and confidence of southern shoulin styles vs thai styles.
well i trained wing tsun some time and now i do kickboxing and its lot better.. in WT you should be like on master grade, so you really can use it in street fights. in streetfights, your adreline level is incredibly high and you won't be able to use all those technical frippery with all these snatches and stuff like that. it just counts to have the stronger punch and good reaction. and that's what you learn in KB. so yep i am serious. sorry for bad english.
Good. I do Wing Chun and teach it. i do kickboxing, and 11 other styles. and i can use Wing chun in a street fight, as i do in my MMA cage fights. Wing chun is a very good countering.fast. quick reaction style. it lets you end the fight quick if the flow of it and chain punch to the body in face. Kick Boxing was my Very first style to learn out of all of them and Kick Boxing is a great style to use in Trained fighting and Street fighting. it depends on the person not the style.
(part 2 of 2) You can have 1000 styles and not be good at a certain one. you have the ones your good at and the ones you struggle at. WC is one of the styels out of all my styles that i flow good with. so for me i can use it in street fighting. depends on the person who using that style to determine what he can or cant do with it.
ok so you're just a incredibly good fighter! i mean, of course you can use it if you are on master grade or any other high level.. but in my opinion, if someone trains for 3 years in WT, he wont be that good in a streetfight as if he would do so in KB... It needs a lot more time to master WT. but you're right, it depends on the person.
you can say the kb-guy wasn't skilled enough to fight good. there are times the wt-fighter would have get kicked seriously in the face. due to the low skills of the kb-guy the wt-guy handled em good.
Well, in fact, here the wing chun practitioner is better. But as the whole, it is an awful demonstration, for both of them. Anyway, keep practicing (wing chun) and you'll get far more better.
Dont matter if the kickboxer is good or not. What matters here is truth of technique. Watch when any kick is launched, the Wing Chun technique shuts it down... all in a split second worth of time.Not once.. but over and over again.This is true proof of technique, and shows the WC response is superior.
many people are so sure this kickboxer has little training, i bet judging by the 'mma' people ive sparred iwth and seen at local gyms that this kickboxer has 1-3 years training easily... when i see kickboxing ('mma standup") guys face an opponent who stands still and relaxed/calm (not jumping around as most 'mma' guys do) they are more timid about leading an attack
great post, i agree this is the difference in chinese combat philosophy. it sounds weird to westerners i explain to (i myself am a westerner) when i say the most important thing in sparring is lack of tension in arms and body
i study a blend of hung gar, leong tin chee lineage
el pobre tio que hace kick que debe llevar poquito contra el flipao y aun por encima sin guantes xD esto es acojonante, el otro estaba asustado pobre ... lo que esta claro es una cosa, ni uno domina el kick ni el otro el wing chun
i think they are both good fighters but the wing chun guy figured out the patterns on the kick boxing guy,, thats why everytime the kickboxing guy kiked the WC guy kick him in the back leg
In WT you are taught to go forward whenever the opportunity arises. With long range kickers you need to get in close to them so those kicks are no use anymore. WT teaches you to deal with as many different styles as possible.
Wish people wouldnt post these videos titled "this style vs that style" just to promote their particular agenda.
Here you have a "so-so" wing chun guy vs a pretty crappy "kickboxer" (even that is dubious, didnt move like any kickboxer ive known) along with an obvious height and reach advantage and a vast difference in confidence level.
but remember, this is a workout, with the ultimate goal of improving one's skills. That's what it's all about. Improve, to be able to protect one's self against vicious cretons and misfits, who don't know MMA, Muy Thai, Systema, Wing Chun, etc.
intanto si chiama kickboxing, secondo se guardi bene il tipo cadeva xche' l'altro lo colpiva sbilanciandolo proprio quando stava x calciare, terzo la kickboxing nn e' superiore al wing tsun come quest'ultima nn e' superiore alla kick ..semplicemente ci sono atleti piu' o meno bravi, in questo caso il kickboxer era una sega e l'altro era decisamente piu' esperto. ;)
cmq... a parte che mi sono "impappinato" scrivendo kickboxing, io rispetto tutte le arti marziali specialmente le tecniche da strada come il wingtsun che nn è certo adatta ad un ring! in conclusione questi due fanno cagare!!
also as you can see the kung fu practitioner is just moving straight in he isnt circling or dodging, if he did the kickboxer would not be able to even lay a finger on him
seriously hu gives a shit bout what is a better style. i believe there is no such thing if it is used correctly and efficiently. its all about the person really. its like comparing 2 different types of food, in the end their purpose is both the same(i dunno needed an example) its the same with self defence/martial arts.
there is no flaws to ving tsun only flaws in the people, i have trained ving tsun for 5 years and i can proudly say that it has gotten me out of more fights then its gotten me into now whats better think about it.
enough of all this "kickboxer is shit" and "WC sucks" bullshit.
WC is very effective when applied correctly, and so is kickboxing.using a variety of martial arts is going to give the best results in a street or ring encounter.its pretty obvious they're not trying to injure each other. its just a friendly sparring match.
it is also clear that both fighters got a lot out of that match. the kick boxer looks like he's still learning his range.
The wing chun guy show an amazing amount of restraint towards the lesser skilled opponent which wouldn't have been the case if the tables were turned. the WC practitioner is not great but that just shows that even a semi experienced WC opponent is someone to respect. If an art is based on efficient attack methods and another is not... then the only real outcome would be loss for the inferior art that lacks efficiency, unless against an unskilled beginner against a master.
yes, wing chun is based on efficiency. but so is kickboxing. most of the time. the kickboxer here is obviously a martial artist turned kickboxer, when under pressure he ran backwards with his guard down and head up. also he leads with a weak ass ma kick with nothing to back it up. to sum it up bad fighter with fancy kicks makes anyone look good
he is obviously a martial artist turned kickboxer? i dont see this at all. he would probably be quicker on his feet, and have better reaction time if this was the case.
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i agree with you. This is one of the WORST wing chun video's iv'e ever seen. This dude isnt no where near the capacity of a Real Kickboxer! I wish to god, it was Me in that video agasint that wing chun guy. The outcome of the fight would be very, very diffeent..
I really cannot testify as to the quality of the opponent, what i will say is that the WT fighter showed amazing control. Look towards the end, he didnt advance when the legs were out of reach and he caught every single kick that was in reach of hurting him. Very nice and controlled.
I really cannot testify as to the quality of the opponent, what i will say is that the WT fighter showed amazing control. Look towards the end, he didnt advance when the legs were out of reach and he caught every single kick that was in reach of hurting him. Very nice and controlled.
people alwasy point out how the kickboxer kinda sucks. but what if it was the other way around. 90% would say, "see this proves kung fu doesn't work". the WC guy was better, so what. I agree that the kickboxer sucks. this just proves the point that kickboxing alone won't make you good. a martial art cannot give you what you don't already have.
he kicks, he boxes, he is a kickboxer. so what if the WC guy beat the KBer
i dont think anyone here really did say KB sucks.. i think almost all the comments here have recognized that the KB has much less experience. some have also commented that its likely the WT guy is taking it easy on him because of his greater sparring experience.
i would also make an argument that kickboxing as a style is less efficient (WT is about pure efficiency in a fight) but thats not to say a kickboxer cannot be good
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dude i train savate french kickboxing, and i think that this kickboxer is crap man!! No combinations, he does not put is heart into the fight. This is bullshit. And sorry if my english is a bit bad, since i am french.
the vt guy is doing an ok job. the kickboxer is not really good. he tried some moves but dont have the eye for combat and no real speed or punching power. beside this he does not work with distractions or combinations. single attacks like that are quiet easy to counter...not only for vt. try someone who is not running away backwards without guard. i dont like vt/wc/wt etc...not because of the style but because of the ppl. never met ppl arrogant like ppl from those styles before ever.
ganz einfach : 1. wie shcon tausendmal gesagt ist der kber einfach nicht besonders gut er muss schnell , präziser und härter kicken , vorallem sollte er mit lowkicks arbeiten darauf sind wt kämpfer meist nicht trainiert wegzustecken
2.der kb sollte einfach auch etwas mehr mit harten schlägen arbeiten und diese SOFORT wieder zurück in die decken stellen damit er nicht ständig geblockt wird
3. am schluss hätte der kber einen front kick machen solln und hätte damit den wt typ vllt ferngehalten
ja und zwischendrin hätte er einen 540 roundhouse kick machen solln----- mann hastes net bemerkt, jedesmal wenn der kickboxer nen frontkick gemacht hat is er umgetreten worden. ich kann auch sagen dass ich dies un jenes gemacht hätte aber was bringts mir denn ich war net im kampf
Wing Chun is effective period. Been learning it for years. Don't discredit a martial arts form that you know little about. It makes those of you "non-believers" look like ignorant morons.
Nope. Sorry but it doesn't. I you want to prove people wrong record yourself in a sparring match and post it and don't give me the "it's too d34d1y to be used in sparring" crap... I know that martial arts are not combat sports to be constrained by rules, but you can't deny that martial arts have been deteriorating since they started teaching them for money. Show people what you have been learning all those years ;)
Hey man der kickboxer ist so schlecht der ist voll der noob Ich mache selber kickboxen ich stimme zu das john sagt das ist so aber der kickboxer ist wirklich voll der noob
man kann keinen KS über einen anderen stellen. das wichtigste ist nicht die art des KS sondern die kämpfer selbst. der kickboxer ist nicht schlecht keine frage, aber er ist nicht so gut wie der WT'ler und das liegt nicht am stil. der kickboxer tritt doch ständig nur gegen die handschuhe aber was will er da? zudem schlägt er zu wenig (schläge sind schneller und somit besser gegen das schnelle WT-system)
ich möchte auch nicht die Leistung eines guten KS schmälern. Natürlich hast Du recht, dass es immer auf die Person ankommt. Aber ich finde, dass gerade in diesem Video es auch ersichtlich ist, dass zwei verschiedene System aufeinander prallen. Hier sehe ich, dass der KBér schon mal garnicht mit der Grundposition der WTérs zurecht kommt. Warum tritt der gegen den Handschuh? Zum Anderen ist der KB`er ständig im Rückzug, der Wt´er vorwärts. Es passiert nichts, bis der WT´er 3-4 Sek. ernst
Außderm vergißt Du, dass hier eine realistische Selbstverteidigung --> Kampfkunst auf eine Kampfsportart trifft. Alleine hier ist das System geknackt! Getreten und geschlagen wird im WT übrigens auch, - und alle anderen Kampfphasen. Im Kick-Boxen nicht!!!
Die Komplexität einer KK kann aber auch gerade ihre eigene Falle sein und die Ausführung nur erschweren. Habe nichts gegen WT und habe es auch schon selbst betrieben, aber in diesem Fall ist meiner Meinung nach eher ersichtlich, dass der WT'ler auf Grund seiner kämpferischen und nicht stilistischen Überlegenheit gewinnt.
Fakt ist ja mal ,dass dieser Kickboxer hier wie ein Anfänger kämpft. Tritte in die Luft, halbherzige Angriffe, die von vorneherein zum Scheitern verurteilt sind und nicht eine einzige Kombination. So kannste auch als Bierzeltschläger gegen einen Kickboxer bestehn.
Der Gegner hingegen hat Erfahrung und ist gut; keine Frage.
mate that's because kick boxing is shite! its just a watered down version of muay thai which itself has devolved from the ancient art of muay boran! wing chun and kung fu in general is extremely efficient!
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Fuck off idiot.. This guy in the clip is shite but true kickbox fighters would crucifie even the best WC exponents.. Wing Chun is for the movies..looks good but is all show... I've learnt both!!
Spending a couple of months learning Wing Chun and then switching to kick boxing doesn't mean you learnt both ;)
Then again you might be flat out lying, since Wing Chun is one of the ugliest styles of kung fu I have ever witnessed... I am pretty sure you will have a hard time finding something less fit for he movies...
If wing tsun is the best, why i didnt see it in a k1 or mma pride? el wingtsun no a demostrado nada aun. que peleen en el k1 oel pride contra verdaderos maestros del kickboxing. yo hice las dos cosas y me quedo con el kickboxing
wing tsun isn't a martial art! It is a tecnique of defence and so u'll never see a real WT fight! But WT from short distance is the best: Bruce Lee when arived in America used in 90% of fighting situation the WT because from near distance is simplier and faster.
The reason it isnt in K1 is because alot of the moves/ applications of wing chun work by using body mechanics and the striking of vital points , eg low kicks in wing chun are used against joints applying force against the weakest side of the joint which will usually result in broken bones and for this reason it is not allowed under the rules of k1
i repect your reasons but i did a little wing-tsun and i dont like it. now im doing kickboxing. And in the MMA Pride i seen more broken bones. exuse me for my english. im from spain...
A couple of guys goin at it and learning more as they move on in their training, thats cool. I agree about the KB dude not being so hot and that just makes the WT guy look better. Have to admit it was cool to see WT guy block a kick with bong sau bout 30sec into it! I guess Im just biased haha.
the kickboxer was extremly bad. the wing chun guy seemed ok. though im not a kick boxer i know some boxing (and i plan to learn more:D) so i would have tried to break his hand guard, and keeping an eye on the wc guy's low kick. man. the low kicks are the best anyway out of wing chun. and i like the chi sau thing. but not like its unbeatable:). cos every master can be defeated . hahaha
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It's always the same: in each Wing Chun demonstration, we see an opponent, who can not fight. Then it says: Wing Chun is the superior martial art.
MegaSmud 2 months ago
This guys a fucking bully!!! Bit of jujitsu and he'd be fuked flying arm bar springs to mind for this Cunt!!!!
1RyanTee 8 months ago
to the people asking if you can learn Wing Chun over the internet, no, you are best off finding an instructor/trainer although it is possible to pick it up by watching it in action, but you would need to be an experienced martial artist or fighter...
TwiSStaHh 9 months ago
Wing chun wasn't created for nothing. Wing chun was created by great masters. Of course it works.
qiankundanuoyi1 10 months ago
@qiankundanuoyi1 I heard that it was founded by a women who was inlove with a man she wasnt supposed to love and she picked up a fighting technique while watching a preying mantis fight off a rodent, well, that's what i was told
TwiSStaHh 9 months ago
my friend train wt for one and a half year...i think 2-5 times per week....he is not the best (street)fighter but he say with muay thai he can himself better defending...
i think muay thai is better for people they will learn fast some goods techniques to protect himself...
by wt its so taht you must learn years over years to definding yourself and 90 % of the people the will lear wt break off sooner or later...
when my english for you not good enough...sorry guys im from germany and i 15...
xXGoggiXx 10 months ago
wc is the best. the problem is there is only a hand full of real wing chun fighters out there. the other 4 million do not no wc. so you realy should not go on you tube and perform. cos it ispeople like you her are giving wc a bad name.but what ever makes you happy
marie2001able 11 months ago
mate i do boxing if you had your hands down like that sorry to burst your buble but you would be knock out. by any boxer. do you self a big favor go and have a fight on the street.
marie2001able 11 months ago
Wich man does what art ? Pelase tell me
ElyonwyHatto 11 months ago
@ElyonwyHatto the guy who weares the white t-shirt is the kung fu (wing tsun) guy
ottimotti1 11 months ago
hi people I and my friends make both muay thai and my friend had previously wt and he said himself, the muay thay thousand times better than wt
xXGoggiXx 1 year ago
@xXGoggiXx For how long,with who ,how many hours per week??
dlvt79 10 months ago
@xXGoggiXx When u say something please give your background especially if u are not conviced.Not bad to tell your opinion but people will call u stupid.I Train in wc for almost 7 years.I had won muai tai and had lost..What does mean?Anything..
dlvt79 10 months ago
I know, every time a style loses everybody says "the problem is the fighter, he is an idiot" etc etc.. but in this case the kick boxing guy really sucks.
The point is that him makes a lot of shitty (slow) moves and nothing that a real fighter should do. And i don't mean a champion..I mean anyone who is trained and who has some experience in the ring.
jjjoestar 1 year ago
this dude cant kickbox for sure but the wt guy is nice^^
TbKBFighter 1 year ago
People will never see the difference between the names.....THE TRADITIONAL ART IS CALLED WING CHUN AND THE EUROPEAN STYLE VING TSUN.AND THEN YOU GO TELLING EACH OTHER YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR REAL.
PowerfulNe0 1 year ago
i love the counter kick at 1:34
randompersonsband1 1 year ago
kickboxer sucked, not working angles, not setting up kicks , backing straight up, flat footed, no combos, no clinch work, and letting his sparring buddy set the pace but on the good side finally a good video for wing chun.
dogdemon82 1 year ago
It's not really a good match. The socalled kickboc=xer ,doesnt have at all the basics of kickboxing and he's lacking experience and spirit. So we have to see if he fights another fighter. I combine the the best of WT and kick boxing to be more efficient. Its not only this or that its who you are fighting with.
abuadam10 1 year ago
that dude inthe brown is a pussy
metalmaster014 1 year ago
Yap. thats WT. The issue for Kick Boxing is the balance distribution on the legs.
WT is first of all a defense fighting style, with the main body mass on one leg.
Mp57navy 1 year ago
for what I can see, the WT guy moved inside the KB guy's area right after the kick making him loose his balance in most of the kicks (like in 0:33) so I dont think he was that bad at kickboxing...well, probably.
lostharper 1 year ago
@lostharper - This guy is extremely bad and may have had 3 months of training tops. Take a look at the video below and compare the two.
/watch?v=Lx4WeGm08Pk
These guys might be going 50% of power and speed. There are other great Muay-thai sparring clips and then there are actual fights from Coban or Buakaw.
/watch?v=M3R4xtjl5b4
Teaser:
/watch?v=73Avmr00W2Q
Muay-Thai is an on entirely different level than most other arts.
iApna 1 year ago
@lostharper
the point is that the kick at 0:33 is bullshit. :) Everyone could stop something like that, and i mean everyone.
jjjoestar 1 year ago
actually a lot of what the WT fighter has done is learnt in level 1-3. Just basic universal solution and going in with chain punches.
bebo3ful 1 year ago
wing chun sux balls...
greatermo 1 year ago
Well...the WT guy is a comparable "black belt", the kick boxer is a "yellow"...a bit non comparable in my mind
joli66 1 year ago
This kickboxer is very weak!!!
He don´t think to atack!!!!
ratochinaful 1 year ago
the WT guy knew his style way better than the kickboxer... both have there strengths and weaknesses. this was a great fight, but alittle unfair.
GabrielGroverMan 1 year ago
hahah this guy fights jsut like my friend and i own him standing up and on the ground. the guy with his hands down so i can do a nice jab to the face.not to mention hes easy to take down. but then again thats my friend not this guy.
Tracer564 1 year ago
what a kickboxing loser if he sucks against wt
ES131189 1 year ago
duro y abajo
27adry 1 year ago
WT aways wins!!!
! WT !
Pansensuppe 1 year ago
I think most people know that style vs style matches are BS cause it always comes down to the more skilled fighter winning regardless of style.
With that said, I'd have to say that I am very impressed with Wing Chun as a whole.
It's very clean, direct, intelligent, non-flashy, and effective.
IMHO it's probably one of the more practical styles to train in.
liverqiconstraint 1 year ago
hmm. the WC guy has a bad opening.. which i think could happen in a street brawl. what happens if the kick boxer kicked at the WC guy's knee?
brassmonkey84 1 year ago
usualy nothing,because the knee should in WC always be kinked,so if it get kicked the leg dosnt break direkt
kokx89 1 year ago
where are the low kicks from the kick boxer?
StL33T 1 year ago
what is ving tzun?
NickTheSlasherMgirk2 1 year ago
wt or Kickboxing? its not important what material arts its important who fight. i think that the wt fighter has more experience than the kickboxer.
LHD123 1 year ago
Im no wt'ler nor a muay thay'ler, but i think the prolem in tournament wt is to get rid of the distance. I never saw a fight where wt is really dominatig or winning...xD
fleischigergammler 2 years ago
WCs about real life & death combat. In a real fight, the attacker is hoppin mad & pressing forwards.(not jabbin & dodgin) WC can & does press too, but as seen, it does so safely, with less risks. A blind rush in, can be fatal. The stop kicks hes using here, are just play. In reality, using full power, they will break the attackers knees/shins.
xiaou2 1 year ago 3
In Ving Tsun i've learned to control the opponent,this guy is just waiting....he could finish him in 3 seconds.
dataexport 2 years ago
im not a kickboxing fanatic ore somone who dislikes wt but its obvious that the wt-guy is way more experienced as the kickboxer.
khosrow 2 years ago 5
Booooring, it looks like somebody with at least two years Wing Chun vs some idiot with 2 months kickboxing.
slashd 2 years ago 5
Thats it!!
mrka8 2 years ago
that guy is not a kickboxer..let him fight a real muay thai fighter...than the fight will be a whole different game..
rogyera 2 years ago
I'll say the guys hands are a bit off center and not so true to form. But it is a good example of technique and confidence of southern shoulin styles vs thai styles.
Fastambermedia 2 years ago
WT is not better than KB, de KB fighter just sucks. in real fights (streetfights) WT is useless.
AmongstKingz 2 years ago
WT is designed to fight for real. There is no such in superior art. Bruce Lee already proved WC works about 30 years ago.
supertarzan12 2 years ago
LOL are u serious!?
DarkshinastaReborn 2 years ago
well i trained wing tsun some time and now i do kickboxing and its lot better.. in WT you should be like on master grade, so you really can use it in street fights. in streetfights, your adreline level is incredibly high and you won't be able to use all those technical frippery with all these snatches and stuff like that. it just counts to have the stronger punch and good reaction. and that's what you learn in KB. so yep i am serious. sorry for bad english.
AmongstKingz 2 years ago
Good. I do Wing Chun and teach it. i do kickboxing, and 11 other styles. and i can use Wing chun in a street fight, as i do in my MMA cage fights. Wing chun is a very good countering.fast. quick reaction style. it lets you end the fight quick if the flow of it and chain punch to the body in face. Kick Boxing was my Very first style to learn out of all of them and Kick Boxing is a great style to use in Trained fighting and Street fighting. it depends on the person not the style.
DarkshinastaReborn 2 years ago
(part 2 of 2) You can have 1000 styles and not be good at a certain one. you have the ones your good at and the ones you struggle at. WC is one of the styels out of all my styles that i flow good with. so for me i can use it in street fighting. depends on the person who using that style to determine what he can or cant do with it.
DarkshinastaReborn 2 years ago
ok so you're just a incredibly good fighter! i mean, of course you can use it if you are on master grade or any other high level.. but in my opinion, if someone trains for 3 years in WT, he wont be that good in a streetfight as if he would do so in KB... It needs a lot more time to master WT. but you're right, it depends on the person.
AmongstKingz 2 years ago
I think it just really depends on the individual.
quanjiahao87 2 years ago 3
congradulations wt guy, u sparred someone who sucks
hobbesthecat7 2 years ago
Wt is best fight art i know..i do this since 12 years and i am 18 :D:D
Kaador 2 years ago
fail :D
daemon7777 2 years ago
Thats not a kick boxer!
jesuskopp 2 years ago
too bad kick boxer
KontaQ91 2 years ago
wow wt guy is good
ozanshred 2 years ago
you can say the kb-guy wasn't skilled enough to fight good. there are times the wt-fighter would have get kicked seriously in the face. due to the low skills of the kb-guy the wt-guy handled em good.
RagnarokStudio 2 years ago
Regarding effectiveness VT PWNS kickboxing.
Its like saying what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object
MarcBurnsThatBarn 2 years ago
his leg checks are superior, too bad not enough hands.
kakashiLAU 2 years ago
he just a bad kick boxer...
aznboyarde 2 years ago
Hi, I'm relatively new to WT (10 months or so) so this is a genuine question. What was bad about the wing chun?
orhanc1 2 years ago
Well, in fact, here the wing chun practitioner is better. But as the whole, it is an awful demonstration, for both of them. Anyway, keep practicing (wing chun) and you'll get far more better.
jaaraj 2 years ago
LOL "KLIT" BOXER
ManniMarc 2 years ago 2
ey ich zerfetz euch alle beide im ring
bosanac9333 2 years ago
there's no system defeating system, there's always man defeating man.
i would rather say the opposite as a wing chun practitioner, but i saw another 25-50 youtube awful wing chun fights.
here is a good wing chun fighter
erithion 2 years ago 8
rly rly rly rly rly rly bad kickboxer
1John2K 2 years ago
nope this is what Wing Tsun does.
I have done both. Both are great martial arts. But I prefer WT
GEOAMPAS 2 years ago 15
@GEOAMPAS WT is Bullshit, it not works. This Video is the one and only that shows WT Fighter is better than a Kickboxer.
gokzilla 11 months ago
@gokzilla u dont even know what WT is u little fag...try it or learn more about it and the u can write silly comments about MA's
nuker4ever 10 months ago
@nuker4ever How old are you Pussy ? Evry Boxer bead the Shit about you. Wing cun cing is not working, its only for idiots they pay a lot of money
gokzilla 10 months ago
@gokzilla u rly dont get it right?u rly dont know what WT is?your brain is not working not the wing tsun
nuker4ever 9 months ago
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@gokzilla u dont even know what WT is u little fag...try it or learn more about it and then u can write silly comments about MA's
nuker4ever 10 months ago
this guys not bad in wing chun good implication of kicks
prancelee 2 years ago
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i want to learn fighting looks so fun haha yay
DomDomDom1nation 2 years ago
Any footage of Wing Chun Vs. Pai Lum?
Joellesfriend 2 years ago
Dont matter if the kickboxer is good or not. What matters here is truth of technique. Watch when any kick is launched, the Wing Chun technique shuts it down... all in a split second worth of time.Not once.. but over and over again.This is true proof of technique, and shows the WC response is superior.
xiaou2 2 years ago 7
many people are so sure this kickboxer has little training, i bet judging by the 'mma' people ive sparred iwth and seen at local gyms that this kickboxer has 1-3 years training easily... when i see kickboxing ('mma standup") guys face an opponent who stands still and relaxed/calm (not jumping around as most 'mma' guys do) they are more timid about leading an attack
Kippest 2 years ago 3
i agree
the kick boxer isn't bad
he is just not used to fighting like this
mma guys just expect to see a wild fight all the time
while in stand up fighting taking your time can lead to good counters and tactical advantage
AskHandsomeThomas 2 years ago 4
great post, i agree this is the difference in chinese combat philosophy. it sounds weird to westerners i explain to (i myself am a westerner) when i say the most important thing in sparring is lack of tension in arms and body
i study a blend of hung gar, leong tin chee lineage
kipppppest 2 years ago 2
you call this wing chun ?
ianidinuse 3 years ago
Ahfänger vom Kick-Boxe!!!
Met e ne fortgschrettene Kämpfer gsächs ganz andersch us!!!!
Nome Peindlich!!
feaschi 3 years ago
very sloppy wing chun. his whole body structure is wrong. anyone with a decent amount of original WC training would waste this guy in a second.
upaste 3 years ago
Yeah like you could do any better, its easy to criticize over a keyboard isn't it? i bet your only a beginner yourself.
SirMetaKnight6 2 years ago 2
Wc is quiet a strong martial art
It depends on counters and speed mainly
Its very strategic and well aware if the oppnents options
sukarestu 3 years ago
That was a karate guy wearing boxing gloves. One with horrible kicks. Probably a beginner. The WC guy is good at WC.
superbigpuppy 3 years ago
You'd have to be retarded as hell to think that guy was a kickboxer. Fuck, I was better after 6 months of training.
Sokaku 3 years ago
who cares about kick boxing though.
SirMetaKnight6 3 years ago
woah ! a wing chun vs match with actual wing chun ! my god what is youtube coming to !
SirMetaKnight6 3 years ago
el pobre tio que hace kick que debe llevar poquito contra el flipao y aun por encima sin guantes xD esto es acojonante, el otro estaba asustado pobre ... lo que esta claro es una cosa, ni uno domina el kick ni el otro el wing chun
QPirson 3 years ago
good composure, check out my wing chun fight clip 'Wing Chun True Disciple 1 of 3' its shows how to use speed, power, accuracy just in your hands.
jaiharman1 3 years ago
He beat him pretty good.
Did anybody notice the HUGE beautyfull dojo? I would like to train there (and beat the VT guys around a little :D)
kebabcowboy 3 years ago 2
WT guy was like "okay **** this" and started wailing on the guy.
Kenlac92 3 years ago
esa pelea arreglada apesta! el WT es una cagada!! acptenlo maestros del WT!!
darthmarianus 3 years ago
wow the kickboxer is horrible
but props to the WT guy
laxisboss 3 years ago 2
lol vs LOL
tomygunny1989 3 years ago
i think they are both good fighters but the wing chun guy figured out the patterns on the kick boxing guy,, thats why everytime the kickboxing guy kiked the WC guy kick him in the back leg
cuevasdecamuy 3 years ago 2
In WT you are taught to go forward whenever the opportunity arises. With long range kickers you need to get in close to them so those kicks are no use anymore. WT teaches you to deal with as many different styles as possible.
tommyfaf 3 years ago
what a pussy fighter the kickboxer.. he is a real amateur..
YCLburak 3 years ago 2
Pretty much sums it up.
Wish people wouldnt post these videos titled "this style vs that style" just to promote their particular agenda.
Here you have a "so-so" wing chun guy vs a pretty crappy "kickboxer" (even that is dubious, didnt move like any kickboxer ive known) along with an obvious height and reach advantage and a vast difference in confidence level.
Propaganda is all it is
eab3742 3 years ago
but remember, this is a workout, with the ultimate goal of improving one's skills. That's what it's all about. Improve, to be able to protect one's self against vicious cretons and misfits, who don't know MMA, Muy Thai, Systema, Wing Chun, etc.
Soulblackman 3 years ago 2
Se quello faceva veramente kinkgobinx ti ammazzava.. eccerto che lo butti a terra le pedate nn le affonda te le tira per finta!!!!
dimitrius84 3 years ago
intanto si chiama kickboxing, secondo se guardi bene il tipo cadeva xche' l'altro lo colpiva sbilanciandolo proprio quando stava x calciare, terzo la kickboxing nn e' superiore al wing tsun come quest'ultima nn e' superiore alla kick ..semplicemente ci sono atleti piu' o meno bravi, in questo caso il kickboxer era una sega e l'altro era decisamente piu' esperto. ;)
HikeeShi 3 years ago
cmq... a parte che mi sono "impappinato" scrivendo kickboxing, io rispetto tutte le arti marziali specialmente le tecniche da strada come il wingtsun che nn è certo adatta ad un ring! in conclusione questi due fanno cagare!!
dimitrius84 3 years ago
l do wing tsun also but we must respect the all martial arts .
decadens1 3 years ago 14
I do Wing Tsun too since 9 years and its the best selfdefence in the whole world fuck off kickboxing .. =))
Kaador 3 years ago
That kickboxer sucks balls.
MarcusDBrutus 3 years ago
well i do wing tsun kung fu
and the idea is you see the threat
and then you go straight in
depending on the attack then you deside whether coming in at an angle is needed or you can just go for the kill
jameskelly9112 3 years ago 2
kickboxing is always good but the dung fu fighter is obviously much more experienced. He is going very easy on him its obvious if you study kung fu.
spritle43 3 years ago
also as you can see the kung fu practitioner is just moving straight in he isnt circling or dodging, if he did the kickboxer would not be able to even lay a finger on him
spritle43 3 years ago
esto no demuestra nada. ese tio no tiene ni p...idea de boxear
ninjatwin 3 years ago
De todas maneras el Wing Tsun es muy superior al Kingboxing... el kingboxing solo es contundencia la tecnica no es mucha que digamos.
iroNBiN 3 years ago
seriously hu gives a shit bout what is a better style. i believe there is no such thing if it is used correctly and efficiently. its all about the person really. its like comparing 2 different types of food, in the end their purpose is both the same(i dunno needed an example) its the same with self defence/martial arts.
trbtek 3 years ago 2
there is no flaws to ving tsun only flaws in the people, i have trained ving tsun for 5 years and i can proudly say that it has gotten me out of more fights then its gotten me into now whats better think about it.
C3TN1K69 3 years ago 4
enough of all this "kickboxer is shit" and "WC sucks" bullshit.
WC is very effective when applied correctly, and so is kickboxing.using a variety of martial arts is going to give the best results in a street or ring encounter.its pretty obvious they're not trying to injure each other. its just a friendly sparring match.
it is also clear that both fighters got a lot out of that match. the kick boxer looks like he's still learning his range.
GOOD VIDEO GUYS
THANKS FOR POSTING
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
bisaxual 3 years ago 6
COME ON KNEE THE BASTARD. He's already elbowing you in the face.
nicdagnome 3 years ago
The wing chun guy show an amazing amount of restraint towards the lesser skilled opponent which wouldn't have been the case if the tables were turned. the WC practitioner is not great but that just shows that even a semi experienced WC opponent is someone to respect. If an art is based on efficient attack methods and another is not... then the only real outcome would be loss for the inferior art that lacks efficiency, unless against an unskilled beginner against a master.
jaiharman1 3 years ago
yes, wing chun is based on efficiency. but so is kickboxing. most of the time. the kickboxer here is obviously a martial artist turned kickboxer, when under pressure he ran backwards with his guard down and head up. also he leads with a weak ass ma kick with nothing to back it up. to sum it up bad fighter with fancy kicks makes anyone look good
deeza79 3 years ago
he is obviously a martial artist turned kickboxer? i dont see this at all. he would probably be quicker on his feet, and have better reaction time if this was the case.
he just looks much less experienced
Kippest 3 years ago 2
The "kickboxer" is scared shitless before the match even started... No wonder why he get's fuck'd up like that.
lolerboi 3 years ago
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i agree with you. This is one of the WORST wing chun video's iv'e ever seen. This dude isnt no where near the capacity of a Real Kickboxer! I wish to god, it was Me in that video agasint that wing chun guy. The outcome of the fight would be very, very diffeent..
sinbad128 3 years ago
I really cannot testify as to the quality of the opponent, what i will say is that the WT fighter showed amazing control. Look towards the end, he didnt advance when the legs were out of reach and he caught every single kick that was in reach of hurting him. Very nice and controlled.
Thedreamshaperabc 3 years ago 2
I really cannot testify as to the quality of the opponent, what i will say is that the WT fighter showed amazing control. Look towards the end, he didnt advance when the legs were out of reach and he caught every single kick that was in reach of hurting him. Very nice and controlled.
Thedreamshaperabc 3 years ago
people alwasy point out how the kickboxer kinda sucks. but what if it was the other way around. 90% would say, "see this proves kung fu doesn't work". the WC guy was better, so what. I agree that the kickboxer sucks. this just proves the point that kickboxing alone won't make you good. a martial art cannot give you what you don't already have.
he kicks, he boxes, he is a kickboxer. so what if the WC guy beat the KBer
shoulung 3 years ago 3
i dont think anyone here really did say KB sucks.. i think almost all the comments here have recognized that the KB has much less experience. some have also commented that its likely the WT guy is taking it easy on him because of his greater sparring experience.
i would also make an argument that kickboxing as a style is less efficient (WT is about pure efficiency in a fight) but thats not to say a kickboxer cannot be good
Kippest 3 years ago 5
I see no kickboxing.Rather call it VT vs. No Skill.
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kerenp22 3 years ago
dude i train savate french kickboxing, and i think that this kickboxer is crap man!! No combinations, he does not put is heart into the fight. This is bullshit. And sorry if my english is a bit bad, since i am french.
shrekboy 3 years ago
u poor poor boy, dont worry wer not all englis...erm i meen perfect
joshuacollins1990 3 years ago
hehehehehe ok, i'm still learning english
shrekboy 3 years ago
the vt guy is doing an ok job. the kickboxer is not really good. he tried some moves but dont have the eye for combat and no real speed or punching power. beside this he does not work with distractions or combinations. single attacks like that are quiet easy to counter...not only for vt. try someone who is not running away backwards without guard. i dont like vt/wc/wt etc...not because of the style but because of the ppl. never met ppl arrogant like ppl from those styles before ever.
Muay711 3 years ago
ganz einfach : 1. wie shcon tausendmal gesagt ist der kber einfach nicht besonders gut er muss schnell , präziser und härter kicken , vorallem sollte er mit lowkicks arbeiten darauf sind wt kämpfer meist nicht trainiert wegzustecken
2.der kb sollte einfach auch etwas mehr mit harten schlägen arbeiten und diese SOFORT wieder zurück in die decken stellen damit er nicht ständig geblockt wird
3. am schluss hätte der kber einen front kick machen solln und hätte damit den wt typ vllt ferngehalten
number9rico 3 years ago
ja und zwischendrin hätte er einen 540 roundhouse kick machen solln----- mann hastes net bemerkt, jedesmal wenn der kickboxer nen frontkick gemacht hat is er umgetreten worden. ich kann auch sagen dass ich dies un jenes gemacht hätte aber was bringts mir denn ich war net im kampf
vayenaka 3 years ago
Wing Chun is effective period. Been learning it for years. Don't discredit a martial arts form that you know little about. It makes those of you "non-believers" look like ignorant morons.
flexnawe 3 years ago
Nope. Sorry but it doesn't. I you want to prove people wrong record yourself in a sparring match and post it and don't give me the "it's too d34d1y to be used in sparring" crap... I know that martial arts are not combat sports to be constrained by rules, but you can't deny that martial arts have been deteriorating since they started teaching them for money. Show people what you have been learning all those years ;)
darthspyros 3 years ago
Hey man der kickboxer ist so schlecht der ist voll der noob Ich mache selber kickboxen ich stimme zu das john sagt das ist so aber der kickboxer ist wirklich voll der noob
schwanzefaust 3 years ago
john mein bester , da hast du vollkommen recht.
DeRsImLoVeR 3 years ago
vv das stimmt
squashjunkiepete 3 years ago
Nicht der Kampfstil entscheidet sondern der der kämpft!
Und einige Superhelden hier, die es vom PC aus mit jedem aufnehmen, würden im wahren Leben sich in die Hose scheißen!
John4Rock 3 years ago
You should try that wing chong shit with tyrone spong. Ull get ur head kicked in.
breekbaard 3 years ago
Spong is currently recovering from a motorcycle accident and won't kick any heads in for the time beeing.
DrMabuse2006 3 years ago
if you wanna put something down learn how to spell it first! moron
vayenaka 3 years ago
wing tsun is a minimalistic form of fung fu
u dont do any showoffs...you even dont let the enemy come near to you...
hahahhahahaa funniest thing ive ever heard in my life considering it`s the closest form of short combat there is rofl hahahhahahahhahahahahhaahha
ukbassmassive 3 years ago
naja würde wahrscheinlich anders aussehen wenn der KB typ auf dem gleichen level wäre..
ich sage das als WC-anhänger^^
Dread78 3 years ago
man sieht wie das WT-System das Kick-Box-System frisst... no chance, keine Sekunde...
*lg.
zorro3372 3 years ago 5
man kann keinen KS über einen anderen stellen. das wichtigste ist nicht die art des KS sondern die kämpfer selbst. der kickboxer ist nicht schlecht keine frage, aber er ist nicht so gut wie der WT'ler und das liegt nicht am stil. der kickboxer tritt doch ständig nur gegen die handschuhe aber was will er da? zudem schlägt er zu wenig (schläge sind schneller und somit besser gegen das schnelle WT-system)
NightmarePM 3 years ago
ich möchte auch nicht die Leistung eines guten KS schmälern. Natürlich hast Du recht, dass es immer auf die Person ankommt. Aber ich finde, dass gerade in diesem Video es auch ersichtlich ist, dass zwei verschiedene System aufeinander prallen. Hier sehe ich, dass der KBér schon mal garnicht mit der Grundposition der WTérs zurecht kommt. Warum tritt der gegen den Handschuh? Zum Anderen ist der KB`er ständig im Rückzug, der Wt´er vorwärts. Es passiert nichts, bis der WT´er 3-4 Sek. ernst
macht.
zorro3372 3 years ago
Außderm vergißt Du, dass hier eine realistische Selbstverteidigung --> Kampfkunst auf eine Kampfsportart trifft. Alleine hier ist das System geknackt! Getreten und geschlagen wird im WT übrigens auch, - und alle anderen Kampfphasen. Im Kick-Boxen nicht!!!
zorro3372 3 years ago
Die Komplexität einer KK kann aber auch gerade ihre eigene Falle sein und die Ausführung nur erschweren. Habe nichts gegen WT und habe es auch schon selbst betrieben, aber in diesem Fall ist meiner Meinung nach eher ersichtlich, dass der WT'ler auf Grund seiner kämpferischen und nicht stilistischen Überlegenheit gewinnt.
NightmarePM 3 years ago 2
Findest du wirklich das der Kickboxer gut ist ?
Der schlägt Luftlöcher und nicht einmal eine Kombi.Ich schätze der hat maximal 6 Monate bis allerhöchstens 1 Jahr Training hinter sich.
DrStockmann 3 years ago
Das war ja auch kein Kickboxer, eher ne Flasche! Der WT Typ kann froh sein das er den falschen erwischt hat.
markusrosenberg22 3 years ago
Fakt ist ja mal ,dass dieser Kickboxer hier wie ein Anfänger kämpft. Tritte in die Luft, halbherzige Angriffe, die von vorneherein zum Scheitern verurteilt sind und nicht eine einzige Kombination. So kannste auch als Bierzeltschläger gegen einen Kickboxer bestehn.
Der Gegner hingegen hat Erfahrung und ist gut; keine Frage.
YmBuS 3 years ago
Haha, WingTsun rulez!!
TheAndyPope 3 years ago 3
hahahah, the kick boxing guy gets wooped his ass by a wt student who even had not reached the 5th level! this is ridiculous!
4130aykut 3 years ago 2
mate that's because kick boxing is shite! its just a watered down version of muay thai which itself has devolved from the ancient art of muay boran! wing chun and kung fu in general is extremely efficient!
roh00002 3 years ago
wing tsun is a minimalistic form of fung fu
u dont do any showoffs...you even dont let the enemy come near to you...
Hackfleischhasser 3 years ago
There both crap.
slideandkick 3 years ago
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Fuck off idiot.. This guy in the clip is shite but true kickbox fighters would crucifie even the best WC exponents.. Wing Chun is for the movies..looks good but is all show... I've learnt both!!
Drewski0411 3 years ago
Spending a couple of months learning Wing Chun and then switching to kick boxing doesn't mean you learnt both ;)
Then again you might be flat out lying, since Wing Chun is one of the ugliest styles of kung fu I have ever witnessed... I am pretty sure you will have a hard time finding something less fit for he movies...
darthspyros 3 years ago
where do you live
we could set something up
kungfusharpeandrock 3 years ago
If wing tsun is the best, why i didnt see it in a k1 or mma pride? el wingtsun no a demostrado nada aun. que peleen en el k1 oel pride contra verdaderos maestros del kickboxing. yo hice las dos cosas y me quedo con el kickboxing
davidjblanco 3 years ago
wing tsun isn't a martial art! It is a tecnique of defence and so u'll never see a real WT fight! But WT from short distance is the best: Bruce Lee when arived in America used in 90% of fighting situation the WT because from near distance is simplier and faster.
B3nNy88 3 years ago 2
bruce lee didnt like wing tsun he said that it got so much static movements...
davidjblanco 3 years ago
The reason it isnt in K1 is because alot of the moves/ applications of wing chun work by using body mechanics and the striking of vital points , eg low kicks in wing chun are used against joints applying force against the weakest side of the joint which will usually result in broken bones and for this reason it is not allowed under the rules of k1
booberloo 3 years ago
i repect your reasons but i did a little wing-tsun and i dont like it. now im doing kickboxing. And in the MMA Pride i seen more broken bones. exuse me for my english. im from spain...
davidjblanco 3 years ago 2
A couple of guys goin at it and learning more as they move on in their training, thats cool. I agree about the KB dude not being so hot and that just makes the WT guy look better. Have to admit it was cool to see WT guy block a kick with bong sau bout 30sec into it! I guess Im just biased haha.
zerogammaboy 3 years ago
the kickboxer was extremly bad. the wing chun guy seemed ok. though im not a kick boxer i know some boxing (and i plan to learn more:D) so i would have tried to break his hand guard, and keeping an eye on the wc guy's low kick. man. the low kicks are the best anyway out of wing chun. and i like the chi sau thing. but not like its unbeatable:). cos every master can be defeated . hahaha
theressomany 3 years ago
That was NOT a kick boxer. More like a kick boxer wannabe.
ShaynaKorobase 3 years ago
nice job man. But, the kickboxer is so not with it. would love to see more with a worthy opponent.
always97 3 years ago 3
he's pretty good for a kickboxer actually lol. and his wt is so so... still wt reigns supreme. nice timing for kicks :)
DonMega187 3 years ago
bellissimo wing tsun
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