Those who are close-minded won't ever understand the internal energy. Does who actually understand it, don't waste your time arguing with them. People say stuff like "I wanna see this guy fight a MMA chamption". THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! These masters stay in Wudang Mountains practicing everyday and they look for peace not violence. Please go to your MMA videos. Thank you.
Those who are close-minded won't ever understand the internal energy. Does who actually understand it, don't waste your time arguing with them. People say stuff like "I wanna see this guy fight a MMA chamption". THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! These masters stay in Wudang Mountains practicing everyday and they look for peace not violence. Please go to your MMA videos. Thank you.
I wish people would stop arguing and making silly comments about different styles of martial arts. Every single video I watch on here there are comments about 'Oh this style is better' etc... I could go on but seriously. Just learn to respect each other.
@THEspainard11 Search Wudang then your city, or if you want to study intensely in china go to the wudang academy (Wudanggongfu is the website name), it's a danged cool place.
I wonder if Tito Ortiz, BJ Penn and all the other MMA hardmen that the MMA fanboys keep banging on about can condition their eyeballs and throat from piercing fingerjabs to them? Sport vs Survival... No contest there. I don't care how hard you train or condition, can't train your eyeballs unless you can fight with a motorcycle helmet on... End of the day, if a bunch of thugs is going to smash me, I'm not going to ground and pound them, I'm gonna take eyeballs as souvenirs. As you were.
mma fighters would be no match for kung fu masters if fight without gloves.
i think even shaolin students would beat most mma fighters
mma are build for sport they have gloves and need more muscle.
in real life situations you might not get second chance and oppotunity to go infight.
and speed and reflex are better then brute force because winning the intative are vital for dodge/parry counter get him out of balance hit vital points and fights over.
@ChrisThomsen1976 It isn't always about technique. There are certain limits to strength... even if you are highly skilled. A huge bulky guy who has been trained in martial arts will be able to withstand a few punches/kicks and then go in for a single strike which will likely knock the smaller guy out. That said, I don't study martial arts for fighting... it is meant to train the body and mind, not for street brawls. Most jerks who pick random fights don't know martial arts anyway.
this is about no mma man this is about chi and energy express as a vital force. you could condition it for mma, but it wouldn't play out in a real fight like you think. it has to do with your dian tian man, and that your vital life force energy. it is the serpentine in you that gets its energy from the earth and sun. you just have to be balance with something in nature and you own it.
I don't know Bagua Zhang, aNd don't know any martial art, though I do know how to attempt to poorly replicate it, though I learn't a bit of Karate from a book.
I'll say it from a neutral standpoint since I've done both traditional martial arts and MMA. Without Kung Fu, Karate, Pancration, Aikido and so on, MMA wouldn't have existed. Now martial arts have to evolve and that's why MMA is blooming these days. One thing Bruce Lee preached was to take what's useful and discard what's useless.
im just tired of mma freaks trolling on the internet saying this martial art would be pwned by mma... u know what, mma ain't gonna help you on the streets, fools...
.... you guys make it seem like the MMA you see on tv is the best way to practice martial arts... suuuure theyre way better than if you werent trained yeah but certain martial arts absolutely shine most on the street in real life, for example BJJ shines in the ring, while judo, aikido are better in real life situations, ninjutsu cant do shit in the ring, but uhh... real life? yeah you can figure that out on your own. the same applies to other martial arts... some are sports some are martial arts
if anyone has video documentation of this crap defeating an equal level grappler, mt boxer, boxer, kick boxer, or wrestler then i will change my mind. until then, this shit is bullshit filled with magic fairy fuck dust.
@KinguNoKin you are implying that people with strength do not and/or cannot have inner peace. what a dumb as fuck thing to do. they are in no way incompatible.
This is master Yuan based in Mt. WuDang, the current lineage holder of WuDang (similar to head abbot of Shaolin) - martial artists coming from *all over the world* to learn from this master. *He is the master of martial artists*. You think those martial artists will come all the way and pay him to learn from him and get whacked in the head n disciplined by him if he was practicing some popcorn fairy dance shit that didn't work. You don't know what you're watching here.
You can suck my dick, dumbass. Seriously, you really deserve it. This martial art is secretive and were only used by imperial body guards in ancient times, they use this because it's *LETHAL* and highly effective, if they fail they're mission, their heads will be chopped off. Don't come on here and start talking bullshit about an ancient Chinese art like you know it all and shit, and then once again later prove you're an idiot. and then go "ohhhhh... well...... uhhhhh....."
what happened to the imperial guards and the guy they protect?
how come they are no longer in service?
you are very angry because your martial art is shit ...you also want a guy to suck your dick and that makes you a gay. just like this bullshit karate-fu
You can't be provided with an example of Bagua against MMA, because it simply doesn't happen. It's like comparing a sharp knife to a blunt sword. Sure, the sword can do hell of damage, but the knife works different. Fact is that in the ring, many things are not allowed -and it is mostly those "foul" things that Bagua is composed of, so how would a fight between a Bagua-practicioner and a MMA fighter look like? It would either feature a bashed up Baguaman or a crippled MMA fighter. Propably both.
@defaultpseudonym sakuraba would break this mans legs. wanderlei silva would knee him to death. gsp, bj penn, fedor, brock, shogun rua, kevin randleman, etc...those men would beat the shit out of form fanboys. gina carano would knock the shit out of them too.
@courtesyclerk. Now it runs down to opinions, neither of us can prove, because neither of us is Sakuraaba or someone of the gang. If you see Yuan Xiugang as a "form fanboy", then I notice you haven't really looked into the subject of form seriously. This is an open discourse, you can broaden your horizon, by minding what people told you about form and try it out (by practice, you know), but I won't repeat myself endlessly like others, if you rule it out from the first. I am not your teacher!
So much fighting on this video. I personally know how effective Baguazhang is in a fight. I have been studying it for about 7 months now and i use it both offensively and as a form of meditation. I myself, think that Martial Arts, including Baguazhang should be used to defend yourself when needed. But I also think that fighting is not needed. So just try not to fight on this video :S
You say Bagua is ineffective. Ehat are you doing here. The tilte of this video clearly states this is Wudang Bagua Zhang and not an MMA bout. This isn't cable tv. Watch what you LIKE idiot.
Nice comment, stupid MMA fans got that fixated shit all up their mind. Bruce lee saids it "don't be bounded in forms", yet that's what they're doing to MMA now -giving it a form. Soon, they'll start leaving their dumbass MMA comments on warfare weaponry pages.
@bigfatdick5000 Definetly! Many of the forms we pratice in martial arts are loaded with moves that serve a greater purpose; learning to work well with weapons and against multiple attackers. BJJ/MMA is great for a one on one bout, but being on the ground doesn't sound so hot when you're dealing with a street fight consisting of multiple aggressors.
@suckit69er what a stupid implied threat. there is obviously no reasonable way for me to search and contact this guy and tell him that his style is ineffective in real life street fights or in any mma fight.
just for reference, could you throw out an analogy or description that would give me an idea of how stupid he would make me look? would i look like a clown in white pajamas dancing to techno by myself, whilst fighting through an epileptic bout...like this guy?
@courtesyclerk id like to be a clown in white pajamas dancing to techno by myself while fighting through an epileptic bout. sounds fun., sound enlightening. kinda sounds like a pickle if you think about it enough. does it have to be white pajamas? why not blue?ooh, how about aquamarine?!? and actually this little demonstration doesnt even begin to show what the basic trainings of bagua are. there are throws, death strikes, counter-throws, joint manipulation, even locks. can i have brown pajamas?
@MightySunTzu can you please show me documentation of an actual "death strike"? a "pickle" (slang) refers to a "catch 22"; you clearly do not understand the use of the term. again, provide me with reputable sources which document the effectiveness of bagua.
@courtesyclerk pickle refers to a catch 22? thats ridiculous, a pickle is a pickle. there are different pressure points all over ur body as well as organs that can be damaged easily. there are glands beneath ur pectoral muscles near ur armpit, where if punctured/ripped your body becomes toxified with no reversal theres 1. 2. Tear drop nerve- basically where ur sternum ends, you can hit the nerve behind the sternum by angling a finger strike properly cause the heart to become erratic. google it.
@MightySunTzu pressure points just cause discomfort. the area at the bottom of the sternum is the xyphoid; not all people have a xyphoid. static shock can cause the heart to become erratic. lethal force and discomfort are completely different things. pressure points exist everywhere: base of the finger nails, near the jaw,etc; they are also difficult to apply in real life. even heavy discomfort is bearable and allows function. boxing, bjj, mt, sambo, etc. these are functional, practical&proven
@courtesyclerk you dont truly know until you train in the actual form and perform the actual movements. aside from fighting, which is pointless any way u look at it, bagua is very good to help your balance, walking, and pretty much everything else, just like tai chi, just a bit different. if you dont walk correctly you become, well old really, take care of your feet and the rest of your body should prosper, barring previous conditions.
@MightySunTzu fighting is not stupid: it is self defense, it is necessary for survival. gymnastics is even better for balance.helio gracie didnt do bagua, he died quite old, i believe over 100yrs. also, walking barefoot is great for balance and walking. in fact, its the best way, because its how humans evolved....by the way, where is the evidence/documentation for your claims? finally, tae bo does the same claims your make for bagua.
@courtesyclerk a true master never needs to fight. and fighting isnt exactly self defense, just look at boxing and mma. i didnt say just bagua was good for balance, gymnastics is a different balance, yet close. evidence can be found by simply googling shit. walking barefoot doesnt increase ur balance like actual training. sorry to say this but dont talk about shit if you've never truly trained in it. train in bagua and become a sensei( of american standards) before talking to me again.
@MightySunTzu if a true master never needs to fight, then only a true master will never fight under any circumstance; however, if a bagua lover actually fights then it is impossible for him to be a true master. in conclusion, your logic projects that a true master has not, is not, and will never fight under any circumstance. wow you are a retard. btw, there are countless scientific studies supporting barefoot running and walking as great for balance- uses muscles lost in footwear. YOU LOSE
@courtesyclerk losing and winning? shame on you, theres more to this conversation. even if someone does indeed like fighting they know what is a sparring match and what is a life or death match. a true master never needs a life or death match, and only fights when 100% necessary. again, train in the form or shut the fuck up before u say another thing.
@MightySunTzu please show me documentation of equally experienced fighters/practioners where bagua wins, in competition, in at least 2 of the following styles: boxing, kickboxing, muay thai kickboxing, brazilian jiu jitsu,and sambo. to say something is effective is not the same as PROVING it is effective. you have avoided/been unable to provide answers to my questions of documented bagua efficiency. btw, bjj sparring (rolling) is never 100% and it has been proven as a universally effective art
@courtesyclerk u have also been unproven in what you have said. now for the last time, either practice the art and know about it or shut the fuck up. you dont know quite what u are talking about. until you have practiced this art and know personally I, along with many others, will not give you the time of day. although i can recommend a few good bagua schools depending on where u live.
@MightySunTzu perhaps you can provide me with personal examples highlighting the effectiveness/superiority of bagua over other fighting style? also, what exactly have i been unproven in? it seems that you are avoiding my requests for documentation of bagua's practicality and effectiveness in real world and competition against other proven arts (boxing, bjj, mt, etc.). please provide the requested documentation. would you be willing to fight against a bjj blue belt? 2nd year mt kickboxer?
@MightySunTzu which thoughts? all i am asking for you to provide documentation that supports your claims. just show me some videos of bagua vs. one of the previously suggested proven fighting styles, that results in either a win or a draw. and yes, martial arts can be better than another. you can even just show me a video of a bagua guy in a street fight. i want to see evidence. how do you know that i have not done bagua and found to be ineffective? no need for personal attacks
@courtesyclerk study the form. if u have truly studied it to its fullest, and not just the american version of it, you will not have said it is ineffective. if you have indeed studied it, tell me its chief principals, which form of baguazhang u've studied and i will then believe u and help answer ur questions.
@MightySunTzu the reason you do not answer my questions is because you cannot. i highly doubt you are even skilled in bagua. it is a shame that you cannot be respectful or honest.
@courtesyclerk conversation end. at this point it neither of us is knowledgeable in anything. say what u want. open ur mind, and i will open mine more. have fun with ur life, if u truly want to learn, experience it urself, teachings trainings and the sparring( not fights). until u do so u have no leg to stand on when trying to say that one artform is better than another. plus, its a fucking art, there is no better art, there is no worse art. saying its ineffective is like saying life sucks.
"please show me documentation of equally experienced fighters/practioners where bagua wins, in competition, in at least 2 of the following styles: boxing, kickboxing, muay thai kickboxing, brazilian jiu jitsu,and sambo."
You want to see Bagua in action, the visible proof, that Bagua can compete with the rough sports of the boxing ring you mentioned. After all it's the MMA fighters who knock up on daily basis, did I get you right?
@MightySunTzu perhaps you can provide me with personal examples highlighting the effectiveness/superiority of bagua over other fighting style? also, what exactly have i been unproven in? it seems that you are avoiding my requests for documentation of bagua's practicality and effectiveness in real world and competition against other proven arts (boxing, bjj, mt, etc.). please provide the requested documentation. would you be willing to fight against a bjj blue belt? 2nd year mt kickboxer?
AHahaaha stupid this style is one of the most dangerous style of chinese kung fu its not impressive like shaolin but every movement is a single strike every step is a change of a guard...
Any style of Gong Fu can be applied in combat against any other style. I've only just started this style, and, till now, I've discovered 3 advantages:
- The circle walking allows you to defend more easily, and you can keep shifting direction to attack from the angle you want;
- The circle walking allows you to get behind your enemy and hit him in the back before he can react;
- The circle walking gives you allows you to convert a lot of accumulated kinetic energy to use against the opponent.
@AndyRaslan Thats why they walk around in circles. Did you think the whole philosophy behind it was made up by some drunk or something. There is a real scientific reason behind it and it has been proven to work for hundreds of years. People fought a lot more back in the days and if this didnt work, it would have died long ago. Just like how if BJJ works, people would have used it HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. BJJ doesnt work, it works only in a ring with artificial rules designed so that BJJ works(MMA)
For all you guys who think Kung Fu is only for fighting, think again. It's not beating the living daylights out of your opponent that matters. You might as well lose the fight. In Wushu, you are your only opponent. Victory and loss are relative terms, and fighting isn't exactly a standard for a man's value. As the wise Lao-Tzu said:
So, MadMonk108, even though you are correct about the fact that all martial arts teach you how to fight, that is not the most important thing about them. They're more than just self-defense techniques. MMA is more like kick-boxing with martial arts techniques, they won't teach you what a Taoist or Buddhist martial art will. There are in-depth things that people learn during their training.
The essence of a martial art is to teach someone to perform in combat.
However, a martial art may be used as a vehicle to teach more than just fighting.
To be a martial artist, you must be a fighter. However, you may be more than just a fighter.
There are Buddhist temples that are now teaching MMA as a part of their Buddhist practice. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? The mind from which you say "This is real, this is not" is a delusion. Free yourself.
I see.... thank you, your words may prove useful to me. Still, regarding what you said, about using martial arts being your own choice, even if you use them to kill, my opinion is that someone who uses martial arts for bad purposes is no more than a loser who was lucky to be trained. To simplify what I have tried to say in my last comment, I think martial arts are not just a fancy method of physical fighting. I believe there is much more to them than that. Yet again, thanks for the info :D
That is what you bring, that is not inherent in physical training. You are the one who decides to act, not your martial art, not your teachers. There is no such thing as a good or evil martial art.
If a martial art ceases to be about defeating someone in combat, it is no longer a martial art. It is just a dance. However, you may choose to use that skill toward a different end.
Too many justify their pretty dances & lack of fighting skill by saying that they are good guys. This is wrong.
I disagree with doing nothing but dancing during martial arts training, but I also strongly disagree with someone who transforms a martial art into simple violence. You are right, there is no good and evil in martial arts, but they can be turned into a tool of either one.
I myself am a pacifist, and focus less on combat. I prefer to 'dance', even though I also learn to fight. Still, I do not enjoy combat. There are often alternatives to physical violence. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Also, I do not mean to argue with you. You make sense in what you say and seem very wise. I do not know much about martial arts, since I am a novice, but I do know that peace is preferable to violence and fighting should be avoided whenever possible. I used to beat my classmates using Karate and saw that it was useless and I gained nothing from it. Violence in itself is an evil.
Now I practice Wudang Wushu, and use it to improve my health and control my impulses, not to hurt others.
Martial art is unique to each person different kung fu styles are only labeled as such. A person needs to find their CHI it is the only way to excel to higher levels of it and to understand your own bodily functions and movements this is only an exercise and methodology of combat that prepares the practioner for battle against multiple opponents. how can you hit something that never stops moving and hits you from angles that are blind to your line of sight. GOD BLESS and May your CHI flow^_^
True Martial arts teaches you to defend yourself and not getting in a fight in the first place. It teaches you to control the flow of your energy and to use your opponents attacks against themselves.
MMA fights either for fun, pleasure, money or any other random reason. It doesn't teach you to defend. It teaches you to fight.
Not many people understands this. Which i why I stopped explaining.
haha, I do. You're right except for the using oppenent attack against themselves part. Kung fu is split between 'hard' and 'soft'. What you just spoke of is soft kungfu, using your opponents' attacks' momentum against them. Hard kungfu is basically brute force attacks, your attack result depends upon the strength you've dealth.
Martial arts teach you how to fight. It is not a martial art if you do not learn how to fight.
What you do with it, making money, kill, self-defense, that is all your decision.
You must make that choice. Your martial art does not make it for you.
MMA is a methodology of training. Whether or not you choose to fight in the ring, or train MMA for self-defense, or as a hobby, or even as a way of spiritual discipline, is all for your decision.
I like the way he performs it FK2. He does not let a person bear down on him as he circle walks. A tae kwon do practioner or mma fighter will not give you much time to walk in a circle.
in a real fight you dont walk in circles, but it does use circle movements, and a lot of avasit movements. trust me a bagua master can easily take out a tkd fighter of mma fighter too.
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I don't think you should say a bagua fighter can defeat a TKD fighter or a MMA fighter without having seen it first hand. From what I've seen on youtube, it seems as though Muay Thai and BJJ come together nicely to form a solid fighting system that most in MMA use today. You never see a bagua fighter compete, why is that?
Muay Thai and other forms of kickboxing, being sports, do not allow for unsportsman like strikes such as strikes to the eyes, throat, etc. Your fingers are wrapped up making it too hard for joint manipulation, some of which isn't allowed in MMA anyway. Bagua is not taught for sport. It's taught for self defense. It's not fair to put all these limitations on it and then say it isn't as good. Not saying kickboxing can't be used for self defense, too, though.
the point of any martial arts from wudang who derives from taoist is not to win a fight, they don't care of winning or loosing. it's about something else.
It is not so simple. Walking in a circle is actually a way to change your direction and angle of attack and can bring up your momentum -yet the real power comes from the erratic movements of the arms and legs, not the act of walking in a circle. That is just a type of evasion.
Of the three internal styles of China: Xingjiquan, Baguazhang and Taijiquan. Baguazhang is the most unique due to the fact that it is one of the few or more likely only martial art that revolves around circular movements. So though all three are rare, they still exist but mostly in China.
Actually Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan also has many Bagua forms in its curriculum. So, though there may in fact be an entire art designated to Bagua, the principles of Bagua are also in other styles.
If you look into Bagua, you know that it involves complex hands and feet movement while moving in a cirle which is quite unique in martial arts. Though it appears a bit sloppy, for lack of a better word, his movements are actually very well balanced and coordinated. The "eratic" hand motions that look messy are actually designed to take advantage of the momentum generated by the circular movement thus maximizing impact for blows. Look at the video again, & you'll see the power Bagua can produce.
Wow! This is the same guy thaat did that amazing chi kung exercise, you can see his flexability in this form aswell, even when walking. Can't wait to learn this
(continued)... Most likely the Bagua master would look into his attacker's eyes and fill him with a nice dose of universal and inner peace and they would both walk past each other without a second thought. Martial artists such as Cung Le have adapted traditional martial arts for the cage/ring, I expect many more will continue to do so, so let's wait and see and continue to enjoy these incredible displays. Saying that, if you can persuade this guy to get in the ring, I'll happily watch!Great vid!
im tired of seeing solo's, time to put these styles to real use of mma and sure there is illegal strikes in some of these styles, but people should be good enough to fight with out the cheap moves/attacks
Listen, I know what you're saying and to an extent agree with you. However, martial arts is also about internal, personal development and MMA is a sport based around physical development for the purposes of defeating a single opponent in accordance with the rules of the ring. Of course if this guy was pitted against today's top fighting athletes in a cage they're highly likely to destroy him; but if they met in the street the scenario would be much different (to be continued)...
yea thats pretty much how i think but i do think these guys could put a fight up in the mma even with the rules. but in the boxing ring dont think so becouse boxing is so limited it'd realy mess with any street mma fighter sport mma fight.
cheap moves? A very narrow view. It seems that MMA fans simply see anything out of their sport to be 'cheap'. Even within early UFC there were moves that are now illegal. Were they 'cheap' then? I'm sorry MMA is no place to display full martial skill because MMA though amazing is a ring sport and real martial arts in any style as far as defense goes are meant to have power enough to do serious injury or kill, though you always want to avoid it. I get what you are saying but thats a fact.
i agree with you but some moves like eye gualging eagle clawing the throat things of that sort are cheaper moves,only should be used when life is seriously threatend. like i train iron fist/hand for about 10 years now and i wouldnt want to hit any average person without a glove on becouse it would be cheap for me to do so but if aproached by someone with wepon only way i would. these guys i believe would do well in the mma they dont need the cheaper moves to win in a sports fight.
You surprise me in quite a good way. I actually agree with your last remark. Forgive me, most mma fans dont seem to see beyond the hype of the sport, nor have classical training. You seem to have quite a fair grasp on the classical and mma. Quite refreshing. Honestly, like you I would love to see a classical martial artist or two be willing to get into a ring just to silence those who say the classic moves cant work etc etc.
yea thats why kinda have problem with it called mma it should be called something like sports mma couse it leaves out alot of the true mma attacks/defences.
agreed my friend. I trained in a mixed form called Kajukenbo for about 3.5 years and learned a lot even in groundfighting etc that they never use in matches so it drives me nuts.
This is an excellent demonstration. If you would like to know more you can visit my website, which is located on my page. While your there please feel free to suscribe me. I would be glad to help you with anything bagua related your having trouble with.
I've seen this guy in many videos and I've never been that impressed with him, but I like the styles coming out of Wudang much more than Shaolin these days. But there's no comparing this stuff with someone like Jerry A Johnson or Sun Zhi Ma
With that speed, structure, and a little strength, the master can dodge any attack. How are you going to hit a person in Bagua? It is like attacking a castle or trying to catch a slippery fish with your bare hands.
You have to do one of two things. 1)Move (disrupt/shock) their core (center of gravity and / or their vertical axis). Whatever you do must place your core mass where their's was;try a cross body block. This disrupts their axis and nuetralizes their deflection ability. For Bagua fighting, mobility and deflection are the whole basis of their evasions. Take those away, and it's not Bagua anymore. 2)Trap, smother and pin; especially simple foot traps, knee manipulations, hip and shoulder checks
what a thoughtful response, good job. But I think one may find it a bit difficult to do so with an experienced bagua practitioner. but then again, I am of the philosophy that it is not as much style as much as the individual that determines the outcome
Bagua is a great art, but know this. It has weaknesses that can be expolited if you know how. Less than most others, but still there. I don't know how good your forward mobility is, especially your jumping ability, but that is the key to knocking these guys off axis. Do you really want to be good? Than do what all masters do, find masters, train with them, acid test everything, forget your opinions because they are all bullshit anyway, and give it 20 years to mature. Train instead of posting.
Bagua has no weak points Kringhis. So is taichi, karate, aikido, zazen, etc...It's all about method to strenghten the spirit. Being a good technician makes you stronger than brutal force, but a tough spirit is stronger than all technics. According to all grandmaster, once you become a master, u lose all technics. So the principle of "if u use that martial art, then i use this method" is a cheap way. Better forget this...
So, if the masters do not use technique, then what exactly would you call what they are doing when they are actually practicing or using their arts? When a master walks the circle, does the palm changes, etc., then what are they doing if it's not technique? It's a process, rooted in three-dimensional time and space, with definite sequence, structure, effect, etc. So if that is not technique, what is it, EXACTLY?
Lucky to have ever seen a master in action near guangzhu. Ppl in the street later told he was a great pakua master. Had an argue with a very angry person about a the place of a restaurant, lol. Suddenly, the guy tried to hit with a jab, master simply moved 1 step backward, as walking, and hit the chest, but not swiftly. The opponent looked very surprised and simply went back to his shop. No wounded man, couldn't even recognize a pakua technic, and the guy simply lost agressivity.
when a master does such a thing to him it is not a technique it is instinct only when your techniques are instinctive can they be called a master so i would think techhniques for students instinct for masters
I don't mean to split hairs over this, but what is the difference between a movement and a technique? Again, palm changes and cirlce walking are the physical basis for bagua. If their movements fall under palm changes or circle walking (as all Bagua does), then how is that NOT technique? The manipulaton of ones center of gravity as well as the opponents center is accomplished through technique, otherwise the movements and actions would not folow the principles of the art and wouldn't be Bagua.
@doppiaeffe BS it's not impressive. I practice shaolin and find this hair raising...
sublimenija 4 months ago
Pa Kua practitioners are able to strike on average 3-13 times per second. Imagine using power ch'i during strikes. This stuff is no joke.
airjordan4ever 7 months ago
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Those who are close-minded won't ever understand the internal energy. Does who actually understand it, don't waste your time arguing with them. People say stuff like "I wanna see this guy fight a MMA chamption". THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! These masters stay in Wudang Mountains practicing everyday and they look for peace not violence. Please go to your MMA videos. Thank you.
WudangTeohari 7 months ago
Those who are close-minded won't ever understand the internal energy. Does who actually understand it, don't waste your time arguing with them. People say stuff like "I wanna see this guy fight a MMA chamption". THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! These masters stay in Wudang Mountains practicing everyday and they look for peace not violence. Please go to your MMA videos. Thank you.
WudangTeohari 7 months ago 3
I wish people would stop arguing and making silly comments about different styles of martial arts. Every single video I watch on here there are comments about 'Oh this style is better' etc... I could go on but seriously. Just learn to respect each other.
apieceoftombo 8 months ago 3
this is total garbage, he will get his ass kick in 10 sec.
jenbecht 8 months ago
@jenbecht
will? lol
MoGotMilk 7 months ago
@jenbecht
dude go learn some fucking english before your mom canceles your world of warcraft account for being a failure. thats a will do.
MoGotMilk 7 months ago
I want to train there someday... I'd better start saving for the wudang academy...
buddy2000529 10 months ago
lol hahahahahaha um ok
michahberta 1 year ago
can i still learn this if so where?
THEspainard11 1 year ago
@THEspainard11 Search Wudang then your city, or if you want to study intensely in china go to the wudang academy (Wudanggongfu is the website name), it's a danged cool place.
buddy2000529 10 months ago
I wonder if Tito Ortiz, BJ Penn and all the other MMA hardmen that the MMA fanboys keep banging on about can condition their eyeballs and throat from piercing fingerjabs to them? Sport vs Survival... No contest there. I don't care how hard you train or condition, can't train your eyeballs unless you can fight with a motorcycle helmet on... End of the day, if a bunch of thugs is going to smash me, I'm not going to ground and pound them, I'm gonna take eyeballs as souvenirs. As you were.
unclesuave 1 year ago 3
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ChrisThomsen1976 1 year ago
Yes i agree its stupid to generalize. offcorse there are exeptions. my bad.
But i think that many mma lack vision footwork distance mesurering and tactic knowlege by my opnion. some off them are blocking hits with there head.
Internal martial artist turn opponent aggresion aganst them taking advange of momentum.
Chung Le would probaly be very tuff opponent for the best Kung Fu masters
ChrisThomsen1976 1 year ago
mma fighters would be no match for kung fu masters if fight without gloves.
i think even shaolin students would beat most mma fighters
mma are build for sport they have gloves and need more muscle.
in real life situations you might not get second chance and oppotunity to go infight.
and speed and reflex are better then brute force because winning the intative are vital for dodge/parry counter get him out of balance hit vital points and fights over.
ChrisThomsen1976 1 year ago
@ChrisThomsen1976 i disagree. i would never count out someone that is 6' 4" and on steroids.
dmd54 1 year ago
@ChrisThomsen1976 It isn't always about technique. There are certain limits to strength... even if you are highly skilled. A huge bulky guy who has been trained in martial arts will be able to withstand a few punches/kicks and then go in for a single strike which will likely knock the smaller guy out. That said, I don't study martial arts for fighting... it is meant to train the body and mind, not for street brawls. Most jerks who pick random fights don't know martial arts anyway.
Azel247 1 year ago
only stupid people talking about the effectivity of styles. It´s allways the person who is using the style which is effective or not.
didiniori 1 year ago 4
this is about no mma man this is about chi and energy express as a vital force. you could condition it for mma, but it wouldn't play out in a real fight like you think. it has to do with your dian tian man, and that your vital life force energy. it is the serpentine in you that gets its energy from the earth and sun. you just have to be balance with something in nature and you own it.
PhuQuangLe111 1 year ago
I don't know Bagua Zhang, aNd don't know any martial art, though I do know how to attempt to poorly replicate it, though I learn't a bit of Karate from a book.
I'd like to learn Wudang martial arts.
linux495 1 year ago
I'm tired of the same debate existing in the comments of every kung fu video. If you can't see the absolute mastery of skill in this, just move on.
dextuber 1 year ago
I'll say it from a neutral standpoint since I've done both traditional martial arts and MMA. Without Kung Fu, Karate, Pancration, Aikido and so on, MMA wouldn't have existed. Now martial arts have to evolve and that's why MMA is blooming these days. One thing Bruce Lee preached was to take what's useful and discard what's useless.
BASTARDUS1MAXIMUS 1 year ago
im just tired of mma freaks trolling on the internet saying this martial art would be pwned by mma... u know what, mma ain't gonna help you on the streets, fools...
mikeymarshful 1 year ago 6
i like the music
jigoku123456 1 year ago
.... you guys make it seem like the MMA you see on tv is the best way to practice martial arts... suuuure theyre way better than if you werent trained yeah but certain martial arts absolutely shine most on the street in real life, for example BJJ shines in the ring, while judo, aikido are better in real life situations, ninjutsu cant do shit in the ring, but uhh... real life? yeah you can figure that out on your own. the same applies to other martial arts... some are sports some are martial arts
N00l3ER7 1 year ago
if anyone has video documentation of this crap defeating an equal level grappler, mt boxer, boxer, kick boxer, or wrestler then i will change my mind. until then, this shit is bullshit filled with magic fairy fuck dust.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk What does brute strength matter when you cannot achieve inner peace?
KinguNoKin 1 year ago
@KinguNoKin you are implying that people with strength do not and/or cannot have inner peace. what a dumb as fuck thing to do. they are in no way incompatible.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk You didn't get what I was trying to say.
KinguNoKin 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk
This is master Yuan based in Mt. WuDang, the current lineage holder of WuDang (similar to head abbot of Shaolin) - martial artists coming from *all over the world* to learn from this master. *He is the master of martial artists*. You think those martial artists will come all the way and pay him to learn from him and get whacked in the head n disciplined by him if he was practicing some popcorn fairy dance shit that didn't work. You don't know what you're watching here.
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago 2
@courtesyclerk
You can suck my dick, dumbass. Seriously, you really deserve it. This martial art is secretive and were only used by imperial body guards in ancient times, they use this because it's *LETHAL* and highly effective, if they fail they're mission, their heads will be chopped off. Don't come on here and start talking bullshit about an ancient Chinese art like you know it all and shit, and then once again later prove you're an idiot. and then go "ohhhhh... well...... uhhhhh....."
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000
what happened to the imperial guards and the guy they protect?
how come they are no longer in service?
you are very angry because your martial art is shit ...you also want a guy to suck your dick and that makes you a gay. just like this bullshit karate-fu
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
And about the video: what a grace! What a luck this has been filmed, that's what a true master looks like.
defaultpseudonym 1 year ago
You can't be provided with an example of Bagua against MMA, because it simply doesn't happen. It's like comparing a sharp knife to a blunt sword. Sure, the sword can do hell of damage, but the knife works different. Fact is that in the ring, many things are not allowed -and it is mostly those "foul" things that Bagua is composed of, so how would a fight between a Bagua-practicioner and a MMA fighter look like? It would either feature a bashed up Baguaman or a crippled MMA fighter. Propably both.
defaultpseudonym 1 year ago
@defaultpseudonym sakuraba would break this mans legs. wanderlei silva would knee him to death. gsp, bj penn, fedor, brock, shogun rua, kevin randleman, etc...those men would beat the shit out of form fanboys. gina carano would knock the shit out of them too.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk. Now it runs down to opinions, neither of us can prove, because neither of us is Sakuraaba or someone of the gang. If you see Yuan Xiugang as a "form fanboy", then I notice you haven't really looked into the subject of form seriously. This is an open discourse, you can broaden your horizon, by minding what people told you about form and try it out (by practice, you know), but I won't repeat myself endlessly like others, if you rule it out from the first. I am not your teacher!
defaultpseudonym 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk foolish mortal, i gots the flows fo ya'...
Jubeski 1 year ago
whats the name of the song?
swarrior80 1 year ago
Beautiful! Does anyone know the music? Thatś cool too!
PatrickXFCE 1 year ago
:-)
teddythefrency 1 year ago
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btw, for someone who is shuns violence and death, its a little shady that your name pays homage to sun tzu.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
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btw, for someone who is shuns violence and death, its a little shady that your name pays homage to sun tzu.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
btw, for someone who is shuns violence and death, its a little shady that your name pays homage to sun tzu.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
this guys hari is killing it for me. his form is impressiv and everything but seriously the bun has gotta go.
lsean 1 year ago
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Erlyn4 1 year ago
So much fighting on this video. I personally know how effective Baguazhang is in a fight. I have been studying it for about 7 months now and i use it both offensively and as a form of meditation. I myself, think that Martial Arts, including Baguazhang should be used to defend yourself when needed. But I also think that fighting is not needed. So just try not to fight on this video :S
Xx8trigramsxX 2 years ago
very smooth movement.
but no matter how great this martial art is, to an amateur those movements just look weird o.ô
BillyKatze 2 years ago
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iDeViLPsYcHo 1 year ago
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ineffective.
courtesyclerk 2 years ago
You say Bagua is ineffective. Ehat are you doing here. The tilte of this video clearly states this is Wudang Bagua Zhang and not an MMA bout. This isn't cable tv. Watch what you LIKE idiot.
micsir888 2 years ago 33
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@micsir888 this is stupid. like your cousin with downs syndrome
courtesyclerk 2 years ago
The only point you end up defending is the one I made on you being an idiot COUSIN.
micsir888 2 years ago
@micsir888
Nice comment, stupid MMA fans got that fixated shit all up their mind. Bruce lee saids it "don't be bounded in forms", yet that's what they're doing to MMA now -giving it a form. Soon, they'll start leaving their dumbass MMA comments on warfare weaponry pages.
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000 Definetly! Many of the forms we pratice in martial arts are loaded with moves that serve a greater purpose; learning to work well with weapons and against multiple attackers. BJJ/MMA is great for a one on one bout, but being on the ground doesn't sound so hot when you're dealing with a street fight consisting of multiple aggressors.
micsir888 1 year ago
Go up to this guy and tell him that. Watch how stupid he will make you look.
suckit69er 2 years ago
@suckit69er what a stupid implied threat. there is obviously no reasonable way for me to search and contact this guy and tell him that his style is ineffective in real life street fights or in any mma fight.
just for reference, could you throw out an analogy or description that would give me an idea of how stupid he would make me look? would i look like a clown in white pajamas dancing to techno by myself, whilst fighting through an epileptic bout...like this guy?
courtesyclerk 2 years ago
@courtesyclerk id like to be a clown in white pajamas dancing to techno by myself while fighting through an epileptic bout. sounds fun., sound enlightening. kinda sounds like a pickle if you think about it enough. does it have to be white pajamas? why not blue?ooh, how about aquamarine?!? and actually this little demonstration doesnt even begin to show what the basic trainings of bagua are. there are throws, death strikes, counter-throws, joint manipulation, even locks. can i have brown pajamas?
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu can you please show me documentation of an actual "death strike"? a "pickle" (slang) refers to a "catch 22"; you clearly do not understand the use of the term. again, provide me with reputable sources which document the effectiveness of bagua.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk pickle refers to a catch 22? thats ridiculous, a pickle is a pickle. there are different pressure points all over ur body as well as organs that can be damaged easily. there are glands beneath ur pectoral muscles near ur armpit, where if punctured/ripped your body becomes toxified with no reversal theres 1. 2. Tear drop nerve- basically where ur sternum ends, you can hit the nerve behind the sternum by angling a finger strike properly cause the heart to become erratic. google it.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu pressure points just cause discomfort. the area at the bottom of the sternum is the xyphoid; not all people have a xyphoid. static shock can cause the heart to become erratic. lethal force and discomfort are completely different things. pressure points exist everywhere: base of the finger nails, near the jaw,etc; they are also difficult to apply in real life. even heavy discomfort is bearable and allows function. boxing, bjj, mt, sambo, etc. these are functional, practical&proven
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk you dont truly know until you train in the actual form and perform the actual movements. aside from fighting, which is pointless any way u look at it, bagua is very good to help your balance, walking, and pretty much everything else, just like tai chi, just a bit different. if you dont walk correctly you become, well old really, take care of your feet and the rest of your body should prosper, barring previous conditions.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu fighting is not stupid: it is self defense, it is necessary for survival. gymnastics is even better for balance.helio gracie didnt do bagua, he died quite old, i believe over 100yrs. also, walking barefoot is great for balance and walking. in fact, its the best way, because its how humans evolved....by the way, where is the evidence/documentation for your claims? finally, tae bo does the same claims your make for bagua.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk a true master never needs to fight. and fighting isnt exactly self defense, just look at boxing and mma. i didnt say just bagua was good for balance, gymnastics is a different balance, yet close. evidence can be found by simply googling shit. walking barefoot doesnt increase ur balance like actual training. sorry to say this but dont talk about shit if you've never truly trained in it. train in bagua and become a sensei( of american standards) before talking to me again.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu if a true master never needs to fight, then only a true master will never fight under any circumstance; however, if a bagua lover actually fights then it is impossible for him to be a true master. in conclusion, your logic projects that a true master has not, is not, and will never fight under any circumstance. wow you are a retard. btw, there are countless scientific studies supporting barefoot running and walking as great for balance- uses muscles lost in footwear. YOU LOSE
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk losing and winning? shame on you, theres more to this conversation. even if someone does indeed like fighting they know what is a sparring match and what is a life or death match. a true master never needs a life or death match, and only fights when 100% necessary. again, train in the form or shut the fuck up before u say another thing.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu please show me documentation of equally experienced fighters/practioners where bagua wins, in competition, in at least 2 of the following styles: boxing, kickboxing, muay thai kickboxing, brazilian jiu jitsu,and sambo. to say something is effective is not the same as PROVING it is effective. you have avoided/been unable to provide answers to my questions of documented bagua efficiency. btw, bjj sparring (rolling) is never 100% and it has been proven as a universally effective art
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk u have also been unproven in what you have said. now for the last time, either practice the art and know about it or shut the fuck up. you dont know quite what u are talking about. until you have practiced this art and know personally I, along with many others, will not give you the time of day. although i can recommend a few good bagua schools depending on where u live.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu perhaps you can provide me with personal examples highlighting the effectiveness/superiority of bagua over other fighting style? also, what exactly have i been unproven in? it seems that you are avoiding my requests for documentation of bagua's practicality and effectiveness in real world and competition against other proven arts (boxing, bjj, mt, etc.). please provide the requested documentation. would you be willing to fight against a bjj blue belt? 2nd year mt kickboxer?
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk learn the form or shutup u troll, plus ur a bit misguided in some of ur thoughts, not one martial art can be any better than another.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu which thoughts? all i am asking for you to provide documentation that supports your claims. just show me some videos of bagua vs. one of the previously suggested proven fighting styles, that results in either a win or a draw. and yes, martial arts can be better than another. you can even just show me a video of a bagua guy in a street fight. i want to see evidence. how do you know that i have not done bagua and found to be ineffective? no need for personal attacks
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk study the form. if u have truly studied it to its fullest, and not just the american version of it, you will not have said it is ineffective. if you have indeed studied it, tell me its chief principals, which form of baguazhang u've studied and i will then believe u and help answer ur questions.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu the reason you do not answer my questions is because you cannot. i highly doubt you are even skilled in bagua. it is a shame that you cannot be respectful or honest.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk conversation end. at this point it neither of us is knowledgeable in anything. say what u want. open ur mind, and i will open mine more. have fun with ur life, if u truly want to learn, experience it urself, teachings trainings and the sparring( not fights). until u do so u have no leg to stand on when trying to say that one artform is better than another. plus, its a fucking art, there is no better art, there is no worse art. saying its ineffective is like saying life sucks.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu you have anger issues, your karate is not effective. thank you for not answering any of my questions, it has given me truth.
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@courtesyclerk, may I answer your question?
"please show me documentation of equally experienced fighters/practioners where bagua wins, in competition, in at least 2 of the following styles: boxing, kickboxing, muay thai kickboxing, brazilian jiu jitsu,and sambo."
You want to see Bagua in action, the visible proof, that Bagua can compete with the rough sports of the boxing ring you mentioned. After all it's the MMA fighters who knock up on daily basis, did I get you right?
defaultpseudonym 1 year ago
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@MightySunTzu perhaps you can provide me with personal examples highlighting the effectiveness/superiority of bagua over other fighting style? also, what exactly have i been unproven in? it seems that you are avoiding my requests for documentation of bagua's practicality and effectiveness in real world and competition against other proven arts (boxing, bjj, mt, etc.). please provide the requested documentation. would you be willing to fight against a bjj blue belt? 2nd year mt kickboxer?
courtesyclerk 1 year ago
@ koreanstyler : it's martial art, not a beauty contest
AcidSideWalk 2 years ago 3
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Respect to those who practice this and even more to those who invented it.
But it looks shit.
koreanstyler 2 years ago
AHahaaha stupid this style is one of the most dangerous style of chinese kung fu its not impressive like shaolin but every movement is a single strike every step is a change of a guard...
doppiaeffe 2 years ago 25
Still I'd like to see how it does in a real fight.
koreanstyler 2 years ago 2
@doppiaeffe
true, it is definitely one of the most dangerous.
lsean 1 year ago
@doppiaeffe My you are the ignorant fool.
kthorn612 1 year ago
@doppiaeffe EXACTLY !
loveunderlaw 1 year ago
Real kungfu aint beautiful but effective
telewin 2 years ago 3
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I highly doubt it is useful against somone who is not using the same style.
koreanstyler 2 years ago
Any style of Gong Fu can be applied in combat against any other style. I've only just started this style, and, till now, I've discovered 3 advantages:
- The circle walking allows you to defend more easily, and you can keep shifting direction to attack from the angle you want;
- The circle walking allows you to get behind your enemy and hit him in the back before he can react;
- The circle walking gives you allows you to convert a lot of accumulated kinetic energy to use against the opponent.
AndyRaslan 2 years ago 3
@AndyRaslan Thats why they walk around in circles. Did you think the whole philosophy behind it was made up by some drunk or something. There is a real scientific reason behind it and it has been proven to work for hundreds of years. People fought a lot more back in the days and if this didnt work, it would have died long ago. Just like how if BJJ works, people would have used it HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. BJJ doesnt work, it works only in a ring with artificial rules designed so that BJJ works(MMA)
Elbottoo 1 year ago
this is a form it is ment to look a bit flowery+ I use this styel and let me tell you it is very effective .
zodiak121 2 years ago 4
retarded comment
Babliclat 2 years ago 4
Anyone know this music!
GeneralArrow 2 years ago
You remain confused.
What you use for art for is your choice. Violence is not evil. It merely is. The evil is in your labelling and the dualism you create.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
For all you guys who think Kung Fu is only for fighting, think again. It's not beating the living daylights out of your opponent that matters. You might as well lose the fight. In Wushu, you are your only opponent. Victory and loss are relative terms, and fighting isn't exactly a standard for a man's value. As the wise Lao-Tzu said:
" He who conquers men has force,
He who conquers himself is truly exceptional."
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
So, MadMonk108, even though you are correct about the fact that all martial arts teach you how to fight, that is not the most important thing about them. They're more than just self-defense techniques. MMA is more like kick-boxing with martial arts techniques, they won't teach you what a Taoist or Buddhist martial art will. There are in-depth things that people learn during their training.
If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me! :D
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
You're confusing two things.
The essence of a martial art is to teach someone to perform in combat.
However, a martial art may be used as a vehicle to teach more than just fighting.
To be a martial artist, you must be a fighter. However, you may be more than just a fighter.
There are Buddhist temples that are now teaching MMA as a part of their Buddhist practice. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? The mind from which you say "This is real, this is not" is a delusion. Free yourself.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
I see.... thank you, your words may prove useful to me. Still, regarding what you said, about using martial arts being your own choice, even if you use them to kill, my opinion is that someone who uses martial arts for bad purposes is no more than a loser who was lucky to be trained. To simplify what I have tried to say in my last comment, I think martial arts are not just a fancy method of physical fighting. I believe there is much more to them than that. Yet again, thanks for the info :D
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
That is what you bring, that is not inherent in physical training. You are the one who decides to act, not your martial art, not your teachers. There is no such thing as a good or evil martial art.
If a martial art ceases to be about defeating someone in combat, it is no longer a martial art. It is just a dance. However, you may choose to use that skill toward a different end.
Too many justify their pretty dances & lack of fighting skill by saying that they are good guys. This is wrong.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
I disagree with doing nothing but dancing during martial arts training, but I also strongly disagree with someone who transforms a martial art into simple violence. You are right, there is no good and evil in martial arts, but they can be turned into a tool of either one.
I myself am a pacifist, and focus less on combat. I prefer to 'dance', even though I also learn to fight. Still, I do not enjoy combat. There are often alternatives to physical violence. The pen is mightier than the sword.
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
Also, I do not mean to argue with you. You make sense in what you say and seem very wise. I do not know much about martial arts, since I am a novice, but I do know that peace is preferable to violence and fighting should be avoided whenever possible. I used to beat my classmates using Karate and saw that it was useless and I gained nothing from it. Violence in itself is an evil.
Now I practice Wudang Wushu, and use it to improve my health and control my impulses, not to hurt others.
AndyRaslan 2 years ago
Man I love this video. Just watching it makes me want to go out and practice...and I think I will =3
iDeViLPsYcHo 2 years ago
Martial art is unique to each person different kung fu styles are only labeled as such. A person needs to find their CHI it is the only way to excel to higher levels of it and to understand your own bodily functions and movements this is only an exercise and methodology of combat that prepares the practioner for battle against multiple opponents. how can you hit something that never stops moving and hits you from angles that are blind to your line of sight. GOD BLESS and May your CHI flow^_^
xxbk420xx 2 years ago
ive never seen ba gau like this but i agree with zodiak
philotaaveti 2 years ago
um... ok. that was kind of a mess.
must have been his "spontaneous" bagua zhang.
he was borrowing rather heavily from his tai yi form.
zavierfire 2 years ago 2
very fluid .
zodiak121 2 years ago
True Martial arts teaches you to defend yourself and not getting in a fight in the first place. It teaches you to control the flow of your energy and to use your opponents attacks against themselves.
MMA fights either for fun, pleasure, money or any other random reason. It doesn't teach you to defend. It teaches you to fight.
Not many people understands this. Which i why I stopped explaining.
lilanna25 2 years ago 4
haha, I do. You're right except for the using oppenent attack against themselves part. Kung fu is split between 'hard' and 'soft'. What you just spoke of is soft kungfu, using your opponents' attacks' momentum against them. Hard kungfu is basically brute force attacks, your attack result depends upon the strength you've dealth.
LiouTao 2 years ago
Martial arts teach you how to fight. It is not a martial art if you do not learn how to fight.
What you do with it, making money, kill, self-defense, that is all your decision.
You must make that choice. Your martial art does not make it for you.
MMA is a methodology of training. Whether or not you choose to fight in the ring, or train MMA for self-defense, or as a hobby, or even as a way of spiritual discipline, is all for your decision.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
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AndyRaslan 2 years ago
There are Buddhist temples that teach MMA now.
Don't stereotype.
Free your mind.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
About my comment, I got too serious. Sorry for people I offended. *bows*
lilanna25 2 years ago 2
and then he gets one punched
themachinegunn 2 years ago
i want that music too....plz if you have any idea inform me
ZeCk123456789 2 years ago
not sure where to get it but its from the film tai chi master
hitandrun82 2 years ago
Bagua Zhang is for air
hakveyis 2 years ago
He'll slap your face
Heaven you'll be wishin
Babliclat 2 years ago
Still trying to get that music. Anyone has an idea?
schorfonkel 2 years ago
it very good for dodge and redirecting techniques
watupnigganigga 2 years ago
It looks very real: not like most stylized movements
Tangren02 3 years ago
I like the way he performs it FK2. He does not let a person bear down on him as he circle walks. A tae kwon do practioner or mma fighter will not give you much time to walk in a circle.
FreeWatcher222 3 years ago 2
in a real fight you dont walk in circles, but it does use circle movements, and a lot of avasit movements. trust me a bagua master can easily take out a tkd fighter of mma fighter too.
skaterzero1234 3 years ago 3
nearly anyone can take out a tkd fighter.. tkd has good kicks, but it sucks. it has way more kicks than punching, so its really a far combat.
SnipeZ850 2 years ago
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I don't think you should say a bagua fighter can defeat a TKD fighter or a MMA fighter without having seen it first hand. From what I've seen on youtube, it seems as though Muay Thai and BJJ come together nicely to form a solid fighting system that most in MMA use today. You never see a bagua fighter compete, why is that?
intelligentape84 2 years ago
Muay Thai and other forms of kickboxing, being sports, do not allow for unsportsman like strikes such as strikes to the eyes, throat, etc. Your fingers are wrapped up making it too hard for joint manipulation, some of which isn't allowed in MMA anyway. Bagua is not taught for sport. It's taught for self defense. It's not fair to put all these limitations on it and then say it isn't as good. Not saying kickboxing can't be used for self defense, too, though.
Sonic2332 2 years ago 8
the point of any martial arts from wudang who derives from taoist is not to win a fight, they don't care of winning or loosing. it's about something else.
ambucias 2 years ago
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nuotnik 2 years ago
It is not so simple. Walking in a circle is actually a way to change your direction and angle of attack and can bring up your momentum -yet the real power comes from the erratic movements of the arms and legs, not the act of walking in a circle. That is just a type of evasion.
Messokori 3 years ago
Right -- and also entry at angles.
Aheyne 2 years ago
did bagua zhang extinct? i mean all i see is people using tai chi and other kung fu
MichaelTheInfamous 3 years ago
Of the three internal styles of China: Xingjiquan, Baguazhang and Taijiquan. Baguazhang is the most unique due to the fact that it is one of the few or more likely only martial art that revolves around circular movements. So though all three are rare, they still exist but mostly in China.
kitsune511 3 years ago
All three are found all over the globe.
MadMonk108 2 years ago
Actually Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan also has many Bagua forms in its curriculum. So, though there may in fact be an entire art designated to Bagua, the principles of Bagua are also in other styles.
1465225568 2 years ago
I don't like the way he preforms it...
Kinda took the natura elegance away...
FinalKenny2 3 years ago
If you look into Bagua, you know that it involves complex hands and feet movement while moving in a cirle which is quite unique in martial arts. Though it appears a bit sloppy, for lack of a better word, his movements are actually very well balanced and coordinated. The "eratic" hand motions that look messy are actually designed to take advantage of the momentum generated by the circular movement thus maximizing impact for blows. Look at the video again, & you'll see the power Bagua can produce.
kitsune511 3 years ago
Wow! This is the same guy thaat did that amazing chi kung exercise, you can see his flexability in this form aswell, even when walking. Can't wait to learn this
kungfuasgaeilge 3 years ago
the soundtrack is in several jet li movies,i think also in "the taichi master"
nanhuazhenren 3 years ago
techniques are only cheap if you fight for pride
Babliclat 3 years ago
Does anyone know what this soundtrack was called?
kitsune511 3 years ago
if you figure it out plz send me a message
i desperadly want it too
BonAquak 3 years ago
respect the martial arts, they are not easy to be learned, bagua zhang is one of the hardest!
ChidoshurikeN 3 years ago 6
thank u ,did have any idea abot bagua to learn
redcat0101 3 years ago
almost as if he is a blade himself...excellent!
yazaharufaita 3 years ago
external
chazteddybell 3 years ago
(continued)... Most likely the Bagua master would look into his attacker's eyes and fill him with a nice dose of universal and inner peace and they would both walk past each other without a second thought. Martial artists such as Cung Le have adapted traditional martial arts for the cage/ring, I expect many more will continue to do so, so let's wait and see and continue to enjoy these incredible displays. Saying that, if you can persuade this guy to get in the ring, I'll happily watch!Great vid!
TimKerslake 3 years ago
im tired of seeing solo's, time to put these styles to real use of mma and sure there is illegal strikes in some of these styles, but people should be good enough to fight with out the cheap moves/attacks
theconqueror 3 years ago
Listen, I know what you're saying and to an extent agree with you. However, martial arts is also about internal, personal development and MMA is a sport based around physical development for the purposes of defeating a single opponent in accordance with the rules of the ring. Of course if this guy was pitted against today's top fighting athletes in a cage they're highly likely to destroy him; but if they met in the street the scenario would be much different (to be continued)...
TimKerslake 3 years ago
yea thats pretty much how i think but i do think these guys could put a fight up in the mma even with the rules. but in the boxing ring dont think so becouse boxing is so limited it'd realy mess with any street mma fighter sport mma fight.
theconqueror 3 years ago
cheap moves? A very narrow view. It seems that MMA fans simply see anything out of their sport to be 'cheap'. Even within early UFC there were moves that are now illegal. Were they 'cheap' then? I'm sorry MMA is no place to display full martial skill because MMA though amazing is a ring sport and real martial arts in any style as far as defense goes are meant to have power enough to do serious injury or kill, though you always want to avoid it. I get what you are saying but thats a fact.
Bastion83 3 years ago
i agree with you but some moves like eye gualging eagle clawing the throat things of that sort are cheaper moves,only should be used when life is seriously threatend. like i train iron fist/hand for about 10 years now and i wouldnt want to hit any average person without a glove on becouse it would be cheap for me to do so but if aproached by someone with wepon only way i would. these guys i believe would do well in the mma they dont need the cheaper moves to win in a sports fight.
theconqueror 3 years ago
You surprise me in quite a good way. I actually agree with your last remark. Forgive me, most mma fans dont seem to see beyond the hype of the sport, nor have classical training. You seem to have quite a fair grasp on the classical and mma. Quite refreshing. Honestly, like you I would love to see a classical martial artist or two be willing to get into a ring just to silence those who say the classic moves cant work etc etc.
Bastion83 3 years ago
yea thats why kinda have problem with it called mma it should be called something like sports mma couse it leaves out alot of the true mma attacks/defences.
theconqueror 3 years ago
agreed my friend. I trained in a mixed form called Kajukenbo for about 3.5 years and learned a lot even in groundfighting etc that they never use in matches so it drives me nuts.
Bastion83 3 years ago
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BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago
Very short but very good execution, baguazhang is very beautiful.
teddythefrency 3 years ago 2
Wow great form great music!
yokolee666 3 years ago
This is Aang's airbending style in Avatar. :)
superdimple 3 years ago 2
thaats because its basd upon real styles, even the others water, fire and earth are also based on real styles
foliage4 3 years ago
yes, i'm not the only sad one who looked it up on wikipedia!!!:P
jamesh625 3 years ago
Water is Taijiquan, Fire is Northern Shaolin Gung Fu, and Earth is Hung Gar.
My god I have no life......
bot3e 3 years ago
u use wikipedia too?
foliage4 3 years ago
Yeah Wikipidia is my life!!!!!!!!!
bot3e 3 years ago
Where to get that song?
schorfonkel 3 years ago
Some people watch to impress themselves.
Enerjen 4 years ago
I've seen this guy in many videos and I've never been that impressed with him, but I like the styles coming out of Wudang much more than Shaolin these days. But there's no comparing this stuff with someone like Jerry A Johnson or Sun Zhi Ma
icemanarc 4 years ago
I would really prefer this type of fighting over Norther shaolin.
azinboi32 4 years ago
With that speed, structure, and a little strength, the master can dodge any attack. How are you going to hit a person in Bagua? It is like attacking a castle or trying to catch a slippery fish with your bare hands.
Enerjen 4 years ago
You have to do one of two things. 1)Move (disrupt/shock) their core (center of gravity and / or their vertical axis). Whatever you do must place your core mass where their's was;try a cross body block. This disrupts their axis and nuetralizes their deflection ability. For Bagua fighting, mobility and deflection are the whole basis of their evasions. Take those away, and it's not Bagua anymore. 2)Trap, smother and pin; especially simple foot traps, knee manipulations, hip and shoulder checks
Kringhis 4 years ago
what a thoughtful response, good job. But I think one may find it a bit difficult to do so with an experienced bagua practitioner. but then again, I am of the philosophy that it is not as much style as much as the individual that determines the outcome
darthaardvark 4 years ago
Bagua is a great art, but know this. It has weaknesses that can be expolited if you know how. Less than most others, but still there. I don't know how good your forward mobility is, especially your jumping ability, but that is the key to knocking these guys off axis. Do you really want to be good? Than do what all masters do, find masters, train with them, acid test everything, forget your opinions because they are all bullshit anyway, and give it 20 years to mature. Train instead of posting.
Kringhis 4 years ago
Bagua has no weak points Kringhis. So is taichi, karate, aikido, zazen, etc...It's all about method to strenghten the spirit. Being a good technician makes you stronger than brutal force, but a tough spirit is stronger than all technics. According to all grandmaster, once you become a master, u lose all technics. So the principle of "if u use that martial art, then i use this method" is a cheap way. Better forget this...
ygregg 4 years ago
So, if the masters do not use technique, then what exactly would you call what they are doing when they are actually practicing or using their arts? When a master walks the circle, does the palm changes, etc., then what are they doing if it's not technique? It's a process, rooted in three-dimensional time and space, with definite sequence, structure, effect, etc. So if that is not technique, what is it, EXACTLY?
Kringhis 4 years ago
Lucky to have ever seen a master in action near guangzhu. Ppl in the street later told he was a great pakua master. Had an argue with a very angry person about a the place of a restaurant, lol. Suddenly, the guy tried to hit with a jab, master simply moved 1 step backward, as walking, and hit the chest, but not swiftly. The opponent looked very surprised and simply went back to his shop. No wounded man, couldn't even recognize a pakua technic, and the guy simply lost agressivity.
ygregg 4 years ago
when a master does such a thing to him it is not a technique it is instinct only when your techniques are instinctive can they be called a master so i would think techhniques for students instinct for masters
metallicamonkey 4 years ago
I don't mean to split hairs over this, but what is the difference between a movement and a technique? Again, palm changes and cirlce walking are the physical basis for bagua. If their movements fall under palm changes or circle walking (as all Bagua does), then how is that NOT technique? The manipulaton of ones center of gravity as well as the opponents center is accomplished through technique, otherwise the movements and actions would not folow the principles of the art and wouldn't be Bagua.
Kringhis 3 years ago