I'd love to see that claim demonstrated. You can't add up the bad or evil deeds and match 'em up with the good deeds and look at them as cancelling out. It doesn't work that way.
God can perform healings, make up 613 laws, but all it takes is one evil act of god killing children, as in the 1st born of Egypt, or 42 kids ripped to shreds by god's killer bears. Just one evil act, such as one of these, erases any and all so-called goodness in this monster god Psychopath of the bible.
Why hell yes, u can get anything u want in heaven! Prozac, even Heroin. U can get booze, etc. In other words, u have free will & can do anything, & get anything your heart desires.
There's only two iron clad rules, which can never be broken. 1, You can't die, and 2, you gotta worship god forever & ever! Heaven turns into hell!
Hows that sound? No, I wouldn't dig it either.
Just as with your poignant comment, I'm throwing my 2 cents in too, on how cruel & evil, the Xian heaven would be.
And the list of problems goes on. Having freewill doesn't mean you're able to sin, because God, and souls in heaven have freewill just fine without the capacity to sin, proving that freewill and capacity to sin have nothing to do with each other. And even if you did have to be able to sin in order to have freewill, you don't have to actually sin, just be able to, so God could have made a world where we're able to sin, we just choose not to.
It's not that simple. If a soul in heaven has free will but not the capacity to sin, then it means that soul has been altered.
Free will "is" the capacity to do whatever one wishes to. as you call it. Even the angels can sin.
Besides all that, I have to ask how you would know any of your comment is true? You have no way of knowing what heaven;y conditions are like, not to mention if heaven even exists, which I'm convinced it doesn't.
There are several problems with this argument. The first is that there is no freewill, that sortove blows it out of the water, but people still argue this all the time, so let's just assume that there is freewill, then there are other problems with the argument. How can God know the future if I'm free to act differently then how he knows I'm going to act? If God can know without taking away freewill, then why didn't God choose to create a world where he knows everybody only makes good choices
This is a tired and over used arguement that fails again and again. When will Christians get it into their heads that not all sufffering and evil can be explained by human action or choice?
OK, a lot suffering can be explained by human free will and bad choices. But what about bad things such as natural disasters,diseases and suffering in nature? These things occur outside of human control, and are not a result of human free will. How do you explain these things?
Great comment Dazzar! It is true that this does not address natural evil. In the description of the video I added a link to a blog post that tries to deal with that issue. Check it out and let me know what you think!
Maybe it means that God chose to created creatures with freedom instead of without freedom. For that God is responsible for freedom existing (which the video claims is a good thing). The creatures with freedom are responsible for what they do with it. Abuses of said freedom lead to evil and suffering.
Maybe comparable to the wright brothers "creating" flight but not being held responsible for suffering caused by warplanes.
"evil is not destroyed yet, it will be one day."
Really, you're arguing that Yahweh will be destroyed one day? Well that's good news.
humanistheart 2 months ago
God is good??
I'd love to see that claim demonstrated. You can't add up the bad or evil deeds and match 'em up with the good deeds and look at them as cancelling out. It doesn't work that way.
God can perform healings, make up 613 laws, but all it takes is one evil act of god killing children, as in the 1st born of Egypt, or 42 kids ripped to shreds by god's killer bears. Just one evil act, such as one of these, erases any and all so-called goodness in this monster god Psychopath of the bible.
Cootabux 2 months ago
Will we be robots in heaven?
Or will that be full of people choosing to do bad too?
Or is there no free will in heaven?
Also, will i be able to get my prozac in heaven?
Im sad without it.
Yahweigh 3 months ago
Yahweigh
Why hell yes, u can get anything u want in heaven! Prozac, even Heroin. U can get booze, etc. In other words, u have free will & can do anything, & get anything your heart desires.
There's only two iron clad rules, which can never be broken. 1, You can't die, and 2, you gotta worship god forever & ever! Heaven turns into hell!
Hows that sound? No, I wouldn't dig it either.
Just as with your poignant comment, I'm throwing my 2 cents in too, on how cruel & evil, the Xian heaven would be.
Cootabux 2 months ago
And the list of problems goes on. Having freewill doesn't mean you're able to sin, because God, and souls in heaven have freewill just fine without the capacity to sin, proving that freewill and capacity to sin have nothing to do with each other. And even if you did have to be able to sin in order to have freewill, you don't have to actually sin, just be able to, so God could have made a world where we're able to sin, we just choose not to.
Aphex217Twin 6 months ago
Aphex217Twin
It's not that simple. If a soul in heaven has free will but not the capacity to sin, then it means that soul has been altered.
Free will "is" the capacity to do whatever one wishes to. as you call it. Even the angels can sin.
Besides all that, I have to ask how you would know any of your comment is true? You have no way of knowing what heaven;y conditions are like, not to mention if heaven even exists, which I'm convinced it doesn't.
Cootabux 2 months ago
There are several problems with this argument. The first is that there is no freewill, that sortove blows it out of the water, but people still argue this all the time, so let's just assume that there is freewill, then there are other problems with the argument. How can God know the future if I'm free to act differently then how he knows I'm going to act? If God can know without taking away freewill, then why didn't God choose to create a world where he knows everybody only makes good choices
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youneekk 7 months ago
This is a tired and over used arguement that fails again and again. When will Christians get it into their heads that not all sufffering and evil can be explained by human action or choice?
OK, a lot suffering can be explained by human free will and bad choices. But what about bad things such as natural disasters,diseases and suffering in nature? These things occur outside of human control, and are not a result of human free will. How do you explain these things?
dazzar15 10 months ago
@dazzar15
Great comment Dazzar! It is true that this does not address natural evil. In the description of the video I added a link to a blog post that tries to deal with that issue. Check it out and let me know what you think!
CarpeAeternitatem 10 months ago
@AmazinglyAgnostic I don't see the connection to omniscience. Could you explain more?
beenyboy2 10 months ago
@AmazinglyAgnostic
Maybe it means that God chose to created creatures with freedom instead of without freedom. For that God is responsible for freedom existing (which the video claims is a good thing). The creatures with freedom are responsible for what they do with it. Abuses of said freedom lead to evil and suffering.
Maybe comparable to the wright brothers "creating" flight but not being held responsible for suffering caused by warplanes.
Of course this all assumes that God exists.
beenyboy2 1 year ago